lol such an specific and intricate compliment. By this point we can just go on and say he is the Brood War commentator we have. We love you Arty. Thanks for all the best Brood War and thanks for bringing us closer to God ^^
I remember watching Flash vs Stock games and rooting for both at times. Thank you for this amazingly detailed in tactics and strategy commentary. With your voice, understanding and passion your are in a league of your own in the brood war comentary
Really awesome to see Flash games Arty. I think any replays of the 'famed' pros and their ladder matches would be really fun. Sticking for Flash for now is great. A great hype build up if he comes back next ASL and wins as Random.
Stork, a bigger balance complainer than our own beloved Artosis? Is such a thing even possible? :P It's crazy how different streamer artosis is from commentator artosis
There's nothing different, he still holds the same views and opinions, you're just a moron; when you're not experiencing the pain first hand you're not as vocal about it.
There was something like 7 or 8 zealots that died instantly to mines without doing anything. Had he chose to drag the mines into the tank line instead of stopping to fight the vultures he might have fared better. But there were still a bunch of zealots stuck behind the goons as well that were being completely useless. Yeah, it was a pretty bad attack from Stork.
It was the lazy option, and he took it. With so much income to throw away, mass Shuttle drops into the main would've been so much better, even if it meant taking the long way around. Flash won the only way he could've won, **thanks to Stork** lol
@@johnkalyvas4838 What? There were like four different ways for stork to win. As the other poster said, Stork easily could have sent shuttles non-stop into Flash's main, the fact he only did the reaver drop and stopped after ruined him. He easily could have went arbiter, he was floating a ton of money. Or carriers. Or simply have waited for flash to move out while taking every other base and ensuring that flash would have to clear two heavily fortified mains while securing his own expos He actually almost did that last strategy, but his harass was fumbled almost every time after the midgame
17:00 wtf...protoss waited until that whole area was mined up, tanks sieged up, then he rushes in with his entire gateway army and just gets slaughtered
@@matrix3509 PURE GOLD i will AI generate a picture/GIF where Flash D grows upwards to the left ( into the original picture) and send it to ArtosisCasts :D
nope, that was an attack move command by the protoss player watch the replay again, notice how he tried to time the zealot bomb shuttles with the attack move
@@tylerwinkle323 bighairman meant the attack from the south. Flash sent in a few vulture, attacked once and retreated south again pulling almost half of Storck‘s army to the south into the defences of the third instead of them overwhelming the defenders at the fourth.
@@dturtle9057 yes that's a good point, terran did distract the push with some vultures and a science vessel. It was only possible because of the attack move command. If Protoss had micro'd or sent a plain old move command, this would not have worked
That d-matrix Gol was a damn hero. Really enjoying the Flash (and other pillars of Brood War) games, and I like hearing the excitement in your voice with how much you enjoy doing it too
He didn't start any air upgrades I think and that would only have worked if stork fooled flash long enough and hid his air units which is near impossible at this level
20+ zealots ran into 15 mines, melted instantly. Then multiple shuttles did some fancy drops, but the dragoons just all got splashed. Very solid defense from Flash, and maybe Stork is overconfident
Good focus fire on the templar it seemed like. Also Flash did a little flank with 4 vultures, so part of the army autoattacked that splitting it up. Some of those got pulled down towards Flash's reinforcements.
Stork has seen this exact situation a thousand times before and he like Artosis said knew that he should come out of that with an easy win on the battlefield in that spot; but the game doesn't play itself and worse yet sometimes the game plays against you with ai movements, pathing, and clunky units. That's probably why he stayed in the game so long at the end, he was pissed that he lost such a huge advantage and that his army was lost in seconds when he thought he was just going to sledgehammer his way through that fresh expansion.
It’s funny you’re so right about how bad the position was but my brain has trouble ever believing flash is not favored. Even when he loses it looks so hard to actually finish it. I’m outrageously impressed by how quickly flash is able to remove a toss from the map as soon as he gets some map control. It’s just insane you blink and it’s all collapsing for toss. The little move outs he does after insane eco openings are crazy impressive too. That’s a decision making that is hard to develop.
Artosis, your breakdown of the game, options players have, and resoning behind their decisions make the game very enjoyable to watch even though I don't understand the stratagies or even play the game.
Wow that hold from Flash was nice! He brought the rest of his army up to flank Stork's dragoons and used a group of vultures to snipe the templar as they came out of the shuttles. Very nice tactics at play.
Yeah it surprised me that Stork charged into that. I haven't played Brood War in years, yet I knew that was a terrible position to try to rush. Going pure protoss ground against an entrenched terran with a good concave is suicide.
Ah man... it can be so so frustrating as the protoss player. Stork really needed to deny that 4th base or tech to carriers. The protoss ground army just melts too fast.
Wow, what a big turn back for Flash. I thought Stork has a big lead in the opening of the game. The huge advantage from the worker count plus the supply difference. Very dramatic moment starting 17:20 and he decided to move out so instantly. He finally knew how to get his winning instinct. Great decision and tactics! Thank you Artosis!
wasn't like the biggest throw, but it was pretty bad. When someone of flash's caliber turtles like that, you gotta go arbiters or carriers. That attack was just brain dead. It wasn't close to being close. It instantly lost him the game on the spot. He saw the whole thing, he had multiple opportunities to make a better decision and just yolo'ed in. It was a bad play, but it wasn't like he was insanely ahead at that point. He was just ahead.
Trying to learn here - at 8:19 leaving SCVs idle for this long seems like a mistake? And then moving them all onto crystals even if they're already holding a harvested gas. Expected all that to be micro'd.
Hei Artosis, I'm a big fan of your casts and I have a proposal for a miniseries - based on your experience you can select "greatest 10 games of all time" and you can cast them here, I am sure many will appreciate this. 10X
Key differences I noticed on this game and when Artosis plays, he completely ignored the Reaver drops and went on counter-attack, instead of pulling all units back to base and try to hunt down 1 Reaver. And instant counter attack again after killing the goon army, and focuse killing all the stormy boys. Two big moments that made Terran actually win.
I'm not even active anymore but... @17:14 Stork's engage was utterly atrocious - and you could tell it was going to be before he pulled the trigger. Epic throw, I bet he balanced whined after...
Hey RT, in a future game can you explain the range dynamics of dragoons and marines in a bunker? The bunker gives extra range, if marine has range upgrade + inside a bunker does it compound?
As someone who played mostly sc2 and never followed sc1 pro scene, I now have come to appreciate the history and the mechanics explanations that Id normally would think is redundant
An amusing thing about StarCraft is how certain aspects of physics have to be nerfed so, so much for a hypothetical protoss army to act as a playable character. Similarly, the Zerg are also have to have their physics adjusted (speed for cell replication increased phenomenally).
heh ive started as viole tak listener, im kinda glad its still here after all this years, i truly humbly believe jd is prime better tan flash but ultimately we know ho do better. THX, thumbs up.
Yeah I'm not sure how sitting back and getting carriers is not the better play, or even arbiters which seem to have fallen out of favor but can still be very strong against a turtling terran with the tanks bunched up in siege mode easy to stasis.
Great casting! Brings back old memories but in english :) I don't know if it's just me but the units never seemed to move as smoothly as it did back in the days before being remastered/SC2. Couldn't go back.
Stork is my all time fav player (not including Flash). Flash is beyond good so obv he’s everyone’s fav. However new age Stork might be my least fav player… The dude can play standard and put himself in winning situations, but then completely suicides with the worst attacks ever. It really… honestly makes me sad. RIP Stork!
In the recent time, many Toss player only use ground armies and Shuttle to against Terr. What are they thinking that they can win Terr without Arbiter or Carrier, especially vs Flash? I don't get it.
Is Larva still streaming BW? I would love to see some of his games if so. The way he won an ASL, then made a group of death for himself next ASL - and winning that too, really impressed me.
Been playing starcraft since high school/ college years back in the 2000s - now in December 2024, this game is still one of the best - so nostalgia
Me too
People still play? I played it in late 1990s, wasn't close to professional or top player but was decent that hit B leagues frequently
I think you’re the best TvP caster in the entire world bro. For this match-up you clearly stand alone on the mountaintop in caster knowledge
lol such an specific and intricate compliment.
By this point we can just go on and say he is the Brood War commentator we have.
We love you Arty. Thanks for all the best Brood War and thanks for bringing us closer to God ^^
@@-LocoBolonyou mean of all Broodwar commentators he is definitely one of them?
@@CoNteMpTone the BEST ***
Makes me want to break out the original, nevermind the remaster. Good times!
He's the best english brood war caster in the world, period.
I remember watching Flash vs Stock games and rooting for both at times. Thank you for this amazingly detailed in tactics and strategy commentary. With your voice, understanding and passion your are in a league of your own in the brood war comentary
Really awesome to see Flash games Arty. I think any replays of the 'famed' pros and their ladder matches would be really fun. Sticking for Flash for now is great. A great hype build up if he comes back next ASL and wins as Random.
Flash vs Stork in 2023, I've got chills. Both these guys are still in such good form despite the years. GG
Eh, Stork's form the last few years is questionable. He's nowhere near the top few Protosses.
stork surprisingly not shit, wow
nvm
Who are the Best Protoss player nowadays? Do he have a TH-cam channel? @@Dashmast3r
@@stevelleremy1685 Watch the ASL. Top few P right now are Snow, Mini, Bisu, Best.
Stork, a bigger balance complainer than our own beloved Artosis? Is such a thing even possible? :P It's crazy how different streamer artosis is from commentator artosis
🤣
There's nothing different, he still holds the same views and opinions, you're just a moron; when you're not experiencing the pain first hand you're not as vocal about it.
I've spotted the smooth brain Protoss player
I knew it was over the second Stork ran everything into that mined tank wall
There was something like 7 or 8 zealots that died instantly to mines without doing anything. Had he chose to drag the mines into the tank line instead of stopping to fight the vultures he might have fared better. But there were still a bunch of zealots stuck behind the goons as well that were being completely useless.
Yeah, it was a pretty bad attack from Stork.
It was the lazy option, and he took it. With so much income to throw away, mass Shuttle drops into the main would've been so much better, even if it meant taking the long way around. Flash won the only way he could've won, **thanks to Stork** lol
Yeah that was a dumb attack
It was over the moment flash fortified his 4th base. If Stork didn't attack, Flash would get 200 supply and the tables would turn completely.
@@johnkalyvas4838 What? There were like four different ways for stork to win. As the other poster said, Stork easily could have sent shuttles non-stop into Flash's main, the fact he only did the reaver drop and stopped after ruined him.
He easily could have went arbiter, he was floating a ton of money. Or carriers. Or simply have waited for flash to move out while taking every other base and ensuring that flash would have to clear two heavily fortified mains while securing his own expos
He actually almost did that last strategy, but his harass was fumbled almost every time after the midgame
“Stork up 40 supply? What can go wrong for this guy?
Well, it is Flash... That’s what can go wrong.”
lol
more like it's TvP thats what can go wrong.
17:00 wtf...protoss waited until that whole area was mined up, tanks sieged up, then he rushes in with his entire gateway army and just gets slaughtered
Artosis acts like Flash made some godly play lol when stork played like an idiot
@@pramitpratimdas8198 Yeah, like what was so good about that tvp? Nothing at all to be honest.
This brings me back my memory I used to watch one of these games with beer🍻 after finishing my shift when I was in my 20, now I'm 44. Dang time flies.
Can we make flash staring at us just bigger? I love it😂 artosis you are the best !!
Flash, but every time he wins, his picture just gets a little bigger. :^)
Artosis on asl 17
@@matrix3509 Channel will turn into podcast in a week 🤣
Just put flashs picture fullscreen and the game in the lower right corner.
@@matrix3509 PURE GOLD
i will AI generate a picture/GIF where Flash D grows upwards to the left ( into the original picture)
and send it to ArtosisCasts :D
17:08 Flash draws half the army down into siege tank fire, even sacrificing a vessel to distract goons! Incredible
That's what caused the ridiculous hold. Flash sent a few vultures up, drew fire, and then retreated to make half of Stork's army follow him
nope, that was an attack move command by the protoss player
watch the replay again, notice how he tried to time the zealot bomb shuttles with the attack move
@@tylerwinkle323 bighairman meant the attack from the south. Flash sent in a few vulture, attacked once and retreated south again pulling almost half of Storck‘s army to the south into the defences of the third instead of them overwhelming the defenders at the fourth.
@@tylerwinkle323 nothing about the fact that it was an attack move negates what he said.
@@dturtle9057 yes that's a good point, terran did distract the push with some vultures and a science vessel.
It was only possible because of the attack move command. If Protoss had micro'd or sent a plain old move command, this would not have worked
I haven’t played SC since I was in jr high, it’s all over my feed all the sudden.
Always good to see old heroes shine.
As glad as I am that Brood War is still going strong after decades, I'm equally glad you continue to cast these games.
That d-matrix Gol was a damn hero. Really enjoying the Flash (and other pillars of Brood War) games, and I like hearing the excitement in your voice with how much you enjoy doing it too
If only protoss had a unit that flies and can attack ground
😂
scout / carrier / arbiter basically
goliaths wreck though
He didn't start any air upgrades I think and that would only have worked if stork fooled flash long enough and hid his air units which is near impossible at this level
L
Stork is known as the balance complainer of the Korean scene, he's truly the artosis of Korea
You have such a deep understanding of this game. Always a pleasure
I think most protoss players under value spell casters outside of psi storm. Feeback mirage and stasis counter emp. And where's the reavers?
20+ zealots ran into 15 mines, melted instantly. Then multiple shuttles did some fancy drops, but the dragoons just all got splashed.
Very solid defense from Flash, and maybe Stork is overconfident
Good focus fire on the templar it seemed like. Also Flash did a little flank with 4 vultures, so part of the army autoattacked that splitting it up. Some of those got pulled down towards Flash's reinforcements.
Stork has seen this exact situation a thousand times before and he like Artosis said knew that he should come out of that with an easy win on the battlefield in that spot; but the game doesn't play itself and worse yet sometimes the game plays against you with ai movements, pathing, and clunky units. That's probably why he stayed in the game so long at the end, he was pissed that he lost such a huge advantage and that his army was lost in seconds when he thought he was just going to sledgehammer his way through that fresh expansion.
Stork undermined his zealots.
flash split stork's army in half. without stork properly microing it, it didn't stand a chance
It’s funny you’re so right about how bad the position was but my brain has trouble ever believing flash is not favored. Even when he loses it looks so hard to actually finish it.
I’m outrageously impressed by how quickly flash is able to remove a toss from the map as soon as he gets some map control. It’s just insane you blink and it’s all collapsing for toss.
The little move outs he does after insane eco openings are crazy impressive too. That’s a decision making that is hard to develop.
I like your comment.
Artosis, your breakdown of the game, options players have, and resoning behind their decisions make the game very enjoyable to watch even though I don't understand the stratagies or even play the game.
Jesus, I played this game religiously a decade ago.
Wow that hold from Flash was nice! He brought the rest of his army up to flank Stork's dragoons and used a group of vultures to snipe the templar as they came out of the shuttles. Very nice tactics at play.
Yep 2008-2011 i’ve been playing SC in LAN. Bring back memory lane with my friends
I love how Flash is on the screen 24/7 Dan is a fan!
Thank you for all the amazing content Dan. GO FLASH!!
Quit simpin
When Protoss is this far ahead and Terran plans to turtle. Carriers are nearly always best option, unless map is very unfavourable
Yeah it surprised me that Stork charged into that. I haven't played Brood War in years, yet I knew that was a terrible position to try to rush. Going pure protoss ground against an entrenched terran with a good concave is suicide.
I was gonna say, why no carriers though?
If you thought for even a moment that Storks gonna win, you havent really watched this guy in the past, he always finds a way to lose a game.
you and tasteless are killing it with these videos, love it.
Ah man... it can be so so frustrating as the protoss player.
Stork really needed to deny that 4th base or tech to carriers. The protoss ground army just melts too fast.
Yes, carriers are the best answer to mass tanks.
Omg you making my day with all those Flash games ❤
Really like how these matches are casted by Artosis. He is THE Broodwar caster
Wow, what a big turn back for Flash. I thought Stork has a big lead in the opening of the game. The huge advantage from the worker count plus the supply difference. Very dramatic moment starting 17:20 and he decided to move out so instantly. He finally knew how to get his winning instinct. Great decision and tactics! Thank you Artosis!
Wow what a gem. New subscriber here!!
Are these old replays or recent? Thanks for the great content!!!
Anyone can answer why Stork walked into that very obvious mine field?
that was a big throw by stork though, like that was such a big concave with a quite narrow entrance
wasn't like the biggest throw, but it was pretty bad. When someone of flash's caliber turtles like that, you gotta go arbiters or carriers. That attack was just brain dead. It wasn't close to being close. It instantly lost him the game on the spot. He saw the whole thing, he had multiple opportunities to make a better decision and just yolo'ed in.
It was a bad play, but it wasn't like he was insanely ahead at that point. He was just ahead.
Plz zoom out more during replays. It really blows my mind that we can do that now. It’s so amazing seeing a larger chunk of the battlefield.
Casting replays from 2008 is like taking an old DVD and upscaling it to 4k
Trying to learn here - at 8:19 leaving SCVs idle for this long seems like a mistake? And then moving them all onto crystals even if they're already holding a harvested gas. Expected all that to be micro'd.
Hei Artosis, I'm a big fan of your casts and I have a proposal for a miniseries - based on your experience you can select "greatest 10 games of all time" and you can cast them here, I am sure many will appreciate this.
10X
Why did he attack into the entrenched position? He was so far ahead economically.
STORK
5:42 should he not try sniping some of the SCVs here when he is inching forward into range?
Key differences I noticed on this game and when Artosis plays, he completely ignored the Reaver drops and went on counter-attack, instead of pulling all units back to base and try to hunt down 1 Reaver. And instant counter attack again after killing the goon army, and focuse killing all the stormy boys. Two big moments that made Terran actually win.
This map reminds me of the old school Lost Temple map. Where can I get games for SC1? I miss playing.
been waiting years for this content, keep it up
is arbiter not a thing anymore?
Take a shot every time Arty reminds us that Flash is the greatest ever ;)
I'm not even active anymore but... @17:14 Stork's engage was utterly atrocious - and you could tell it was going to be before he pulled the trigger. Epic throw, I bet he balanced whined after...
you could tell, because you could see the tanks and mines... toss aint got scan bro how is he supposed to know what's there
Dude your voice is easy listening 🎧. ❤️
I was inloved with SC Brood Wars back then. l say it's still one of among the best games of all time.
I was addicted playing this 20+ years ago.
Dam you people are really old huh I remember my dad playing this when I was like 8
i'm new at the game, someone could explain me why Stork didnt just killed the robots instead of shooting the construction? 4:41
Hey RT, in a future game can you explain the range dynamics of dragoons and marines in a bunker? The bunker gives extra range, if marine has range upgrade + inside a bunker does it compound?
Hey Artosis, would it be possible for you to upload these replays somewhere so we can check them out ourselves?
At 5:30 why did he not go for the scv's instead of shooting the bunker for nothing in return?
they were already at their max range. if they move forward a little bit, the bunker could hit them
As someone who played mostly sc2 and never followed sc1 pro scene, I now have come to appreciate the history and the mechanics explanations that Id normally would think is redundant
This was an excellent test case showing how flash distinguishes himself from other players.
Can you do a follow-up video where you analyze that key battle at the northwest expansion in detail?
Great game! Really managed to turn that around!
Always amusing from time to time.
An amusing thing about StarCraft is how certain aspects of physics have to be nerfed so, so much for a hypothetical protoss army to act as a playable character. Similarly, the Zerg are also have to have their physics adjusted (speed for cell replication increased phenomenally).
Loving these GOAT videos!
amazing cast series and concept!
heh ive started as viole tak listener, im kinda glad its still here after all this years, i truly humbly believe jd is prime better tan flash but ultimately we know ho do better. THX, thumbs up.
Wow. Simply wow. What a game. Amazing stuff.
That counter was flawless! Only one guy in the world that can do that... Insane!
He baited Stork's pride, then got him on a squeeze grip.
That's why I always set up a carrier transition when I am maxed out. With enough tanks, no amount of gateway units can break through.
Yeah I'm not sure how sitting back and getting carriers is not the better play, or even arbiters which seem to have fallen out of favor but can still be very strong against a turtling terran with the tanks bunched up in siege mode easy to stasis.
yeah also flash would needed some time to build up his goliath count.
Bro, i was 6 in 2007, sure as heck wasn't in the scene. Even if I missed the golden years, glad to be witnessing the platinum.
08:09 look at those probes on the minimap getting mauled by those mines! holy!
Picks a random Flash replay
Best casted game on this channel in weeks
would like to see a flash cast vs the top tier zergs right now like soma, soulkey, action, hero or queen.
Great casting! Brings back old memories but in english :)
I don't know if it's just me but the units never seemed to move as smoothly as it did back in the days before being remastered/SC2.
Couldn't go back.
Absolutely wonderful, keep doing this artois, we all love flash !!!
Gracias, Artosis.
¿Conoces al caster Deathfate? Es el mejor en el idioma español.
Perfect counter in that main battle bringing in the 2nd army up and murdering the protoss
I mean. Wow. The D-Matrix. The targeting. The macro. That was something else.
did flash deliberately choose this build order to perhaps tilt stork?? haha
idk
does flash have a typical opener?
The King has returned
I see a little Flash playlist starting to take shape here.
One of the best things to happen since 2020 for sure
(L)
New sub, life long fan!
Stork is my all time fav player (not including Flash). Flash is beyond good so obv he’s everyone’s fav. However new age Stork might be my least fav player… The dude can play standard and put himself in winning situations, but then completely suicides with the worst attacks ever. It really… honestly makes me sad. RIP Stork!
cool casting this time.
tht was a fun TvsP to be honest
Flash with the Eehan timing. Feeling for my boy stork tho
SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME HOW CAN I GET THAT VERSION OF STARCRAFT2
Men i can’t remember which year it was at it’s peak. But i remember WGTour being one of the biggest things
YEAH... I'm thinking we're back!
I litteraly can't remember even a single match where Stork would have beaten Flash... Perhaps, it was long time ago in a galaxy far away :)
terran hold with half of his army without making a single click. perfectly balanced
Would want to play again.. where to download certain games like this? Starcraft, ageofempires, red alert.
Steam
I kinda want to see Flash playing the next ASL season as Terran and stomping everyone like back in the good old days.
This was a 2008 game but replay only released just recently? GG
In the recent time, many Toss player only use ground armies and Shuttle to against Terr. What are they thinking that they can win Terr without Arbiter or Carrier, especially vs Flash? I don't get it.
Is Larva still streaming BW? I would love to see some of his games if so. The way he won an ASL, then made a group of death for himself next ASL - and winning that too, really impressed me.
Thanks for upload
На развитии всегда выиграет терран. Вообще это самая сильная раса, говорю объективно. Зерги на развитии не могут так конкурировать
What map is this?
Wayyyyy too many mines to shove your army's face into. What an epic throw.