Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S VS Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 - Porsche Cars
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ธ.ค. 2022
- I got my 981 Porsche GT4 with Michelin Pilot 4S tires, but it came with Cup 2 tires from the factory. I talk about why the 4S is a better tire choice for me and why people either keep or remove their Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
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cup 2 daily is pretty suicidal
Well said in a few words. 🤘🏽❤️
Not if you're in the Middle East :D
One of my friends has them as the OEM tire on his BMW M4 that he has been driving as a daily driver here in California during our very wet winter. Other than having to slow down and be more careful on braking and turns, they haven't been a problem.
I recently put them on my Nissan 370Z that I daily drive and haven't had a problem. I had a Porsche that had Yokohama A008p tires that had worn down to slicks that I occasionally drove on wet roads with no problems, with sensible changes in my driving style.
Cup 2 R in the rain are suicidal. Regular Cup 2 are totally fine, you just cant drive like an insane person.
Thanks for the video; great review! Have just switched my Cup 2s on my 981 Cayman GTS for the 4s. Will no doubt have to make a video on that myself now 😂 keep it up, love the channel
Thank you! I bet; I am curious to hear your feedback.
Can you share your impressions of the differences between those tires? Debating wether to go with cup 2 or 4S on my 981 gts
@@arnisimor If I’m honest, I can’t tell the difference between the two…only on the invoice from the tyre company 😂 the 4s have a guarantee around the distance you can travel on them; the Cup 2s don’t. I believe that the Cup 2s make a difference on the track but if it’s for road use then I’ve seen no noticeable difference with having the 4s
I just went from the Cup 2’s to the PS4S’s on my 2019 GT3RS. Initially, The car seems to be a bit quieter, but still responsive and will have a better idea when I track it in the spring. At this point I’m happy that I made the switch.
That is some good info on the Cups 2s. Thank you.
I have 4s on a 1000hp gt500. They're dog water on my car.
Cup2's have different variations, make sure you buy the Porsche specific N1 version. I believe sizing can vary slightly even with the same 295 size by using the Mercedes or generic version cup2
thank you for sharing the "N1" recommendation. I also read there was more variations of the Cup 2s but I was unaware of the exact differences. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for that information. I’m exactly this kind of person lol. I have a 2019 Corvette Z06 with these and when it comes time to replace, I’ll likely go with the 4S. Btw I do like that Porsche. Enjoy those mountain roads!
Awesome! I love the Z06. Thank you for watching the video. You will like the 4Ss.
I love cup 2's and had them on my daily. Cup 2 R's have been out for a while but it's the first time they're offering them as an option with the gt3rs, I think. Cup 2's have less tread but I slipped less so I think they lasted about the same. You can hear gravel in the wheel wells like you're driving over tar because they're so sticky. Wish I had them on my current car, but I have P zeros which are garbage.
I hear P zeros are not the best. I have yet to drive on some Cup 2s but when I raced I know how good R compound tires are. Thanks for watching.
@@DriversTherapy new P zeros are decent on the dry, for the first 10 kms. lol.
Thanks
Welcome
I raced for many years Have owned many exotics including McLarens P Turbos Porsche GT3 Cup racecar etc
Last 10 years have tracked McLarens Porsches and a Corvette
Have been active on the McLaren Forum for 11 years where
the Michelin 4 S is the most popular tire and is also used by casual trackday drivers
Many of my track quick buddies track Porsche GT3’s using Cup 2’s which are not a good street tire for them and was not for me on my first Mac
I have separate track only forged wheels for my Corvette and for my Macs with DOT tires ( semi slick Goodyear F1 Supercar 3R’s ) These tires perform close to Hoosier R7’s in grip and wear
The author of this excellent video knows what he is talking about
The base Cup 2 is just OK as a track tire but too harsh and too low traction for street from my experience especially in a GT3 or GT4 although younger drivers don’t mind a stiff ride
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with Mac owners even if they track casually
It sounds like you love the track! I used to live in Florida raced Spec Miata so when you said Hoosiers, you brought back memories. Nothing like a set of fresh Hoosiers. Riding on rails. Thank you for watching the video and sharing your experience. I know I speak for others when I say we appreciate it. Thanks!
I have a Nissan 370Z sport coupe which had the PS4S until recently. They were very good tires that got 35k miles with no rotations and still had a little tread left. My only complaint with them was that the steering wasn't as precise as the OEM Bridgestone Potenzas before and that they were less responsive and more vague.
The tires I have now are the PS Cup 2(240) and the steering is responsive and very precise. Noise and comfort are about the same but the rolling resistance is probably a little higher. I know they won't do well in the wet, but that's okay. I'm estimating that I might get about 28k miles on them with a little luck. I'm glad that I made the change.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the PS4 and the PS2 tires. Since you tried both, you can tell the difference between them and pick the right one for your driving style. I like the PS4 since I drive fast and not too fast and more of a cars and coffee car than a track car.
@@DriversTherapy I think the PS4S is a better overall tire as a daily driver for a high performance car. It is excellent in all categories and well worth its price, in my opinion. For me, the greater steering precision and response were worth the Cup 2's drawbacks. I don't think that either tire is a bad choice for a high-performance sports car.
The sport cup2 tires on a bumpy road feel like a punishment. If you are not on a track then having cup 2 tires are no good.
Where did you get that GT4 wall art? The one that an outline in the background? Looks awesome 🤙
My friend gifted me it. 🙂👍🏽 I made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/z4QFNqoz1BI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OuPs4ySnBMB2yT0g
@@DriversTherapy sweet, I already made the purchase. Thanks for the fast reply 🙏👍
I’ve had CUP2 on my e46 M3 and now I’ve PS4S. I miss CUP2 because they can take heat on track much better. The feel on track is also better. Price isn’t better and for sliding the thing it isn’t as good either.
For the track, Cup 2s all day long. :) Happy to hear you are enjoying some track days.
Cup @ daily is a great choice! Best performance on the fly! oB
Nice! What part of the U.S. do you live in?
@@DriversTherapy Dallas, Republic of TEXAS
@@kcampbell4098 nice! Texas weather is good for summer tires most of the year.
I don't need to track the AMG to use over 500 ft/lbs of TQ, you never know when you need a bunch of traction to dust a pest'! ...oB...
I tracked my GT4 with PS4's and they got chewed up and chunked very quickly. Switched to Cup 2s and getting 25 heat cycles on them without any chunking. I feel like the Cup 2's are a much better option for tracking the car.
thank you for your input.
Of course they are. They're designed differently and geared towards tracking. Ps4s are designed to be the ultimate street tire. Cup 2's need heat to operate properly and they maintain operating for longer period at temp. They are nerfed track tires to make them safe enough for street use but they really aren't designed for street use. PS4S work at close to peak performance without getting super hot, but they overheat sooner. Tires are just like brake pads. Track and street design are not comparable and it's not really possible to be good for both.
Question for anyone. Does anyone know if the 4S is N-rated. I’ve been getting the OEM PS2’s for my 997 for the time I’ve had it. Does the N rating even matter?
They talk more about warranty but this might shed some light on the topic www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/1785-michelin-ps4-or-ps2-n-rated/
Never heard of a koeniggburg but it’s called a koenigsegg but I prefer the pilot sport 4S over cup 2’s cause mileage I want a performance tire for street for doing pulls to 170-200 mph and every day use not the track or you just go wider for the 4S and not use the cup 2 or cup 2R
That is a hard word to say lol
You're quite right. However, I just don't understand why people who buy a 'Sports Car' want to ride on 'Tourer Tires'. It was tuned to be run with Cup 2s or track tires and even on canyon roads. First they want to buy an expensive car and then cheap out on the most important element of a drive - The tires. I know rich dummies buy these kind of cars for bragging rights. But those who know the value only run the Cup 2 or other semi slicks (Cup 2 equivalent).
Cup 2 tires are great. 4S tires are just as expensive as Cup 2 tires so it’s not about going cheap, I guess it depends on the way the owner uses it. My 4S tires perform perfectly for daily life and sole track day fun.
Disagree about cheaping out. If anything buying and running PS4S is a sign that you aren’t following trends and conventional wisdom and are open to new and better solutions depending on your use case.
I’ve had several GT cars and threw PS4S tires on my gt3 RS and it was MUCH more enjoyable on the road. As stated in the video I have r compound tires and wheels for track duty. OP is spot-on in my estimation and too many people buy cup 2 tires because it’s what is “meant” to be on the car and for the optics when other people see the car and look at the tires.
@@ratspan1 it's pretty simple a cold P4S or a P4S on the wet wont instantly kill you, the cup 2 will.
So look you got a Cup 2 on your GT3RS type of car you only take out for a spin few hours on an exceptionnal ocasion, planned sunny day (excluding any track senario here...) you're a knowledgeable driver, you know you're gonna be able to drive quite fast, yeah you're gonna love those tyres after 5 minutes of absolute non-grip, best thing ever, they'll perform better than a P4S at that aswell. But that's about the only case scenario i can think of, otherwise it's just too risky.
I like video. I'm looking to buy one GT4 , but what about bumps ? , the car so low 🥰.
The front lip gets beat up but you can replace it. We made a video how to replace the front lip and we have a buyers guide video as well.
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I have a venom1000. The 4s is scary to drive on. My first mod will be cu2's.
What is a venom1000?
@@DriversTherapy hennessey
“If you don’t track it why do you have it”? Is literally a horrible take!
So many verbal blunders were said that it made me lose track of what the video is about.
Dude, tell me more about yourself. Do you understand cars enough to understand this video? I think you need to watch some basic videos before watching this one.