REAL High Flow Bambu Hotend from E3D?!? - Install & Test AT E3D
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- What if I told you that @E3DOnline & @BambuLab teamed up to make a High Flow wear resistant hotend nozzle design? Well get excited, because that isn't a hypothetical! The new E3D Bambu Lab Hotend featuring High Flow Bondtech CHT technology & E3D's "ObXidian" uber wear resistant coating. In this video we will travel to E3D's factory in Oxford England to see it, install it, and test it! Will the new High Flow ObXidian Bambu Hotend flow significantly more filament on your P1P, P1S, or X1 Carbon 3d printer? Watch to find out!
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:49 - High Flow ObXidian Bambu Hotend
1:30 - Stock Bambu Rant...
2:34 - Unboxing the Hotend
3:15 - Installation
4:29 - Flowrate Test Disclaimer
4:57 - Sponsored by YOU!
5:41 - Flow Test Results Compared
6:55 - Availability & Pricing
7:47 - Conclusion
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It was great meeting you at E3D and I'd love to see this flow test done with high flow filament like the Polysonic filament from Polymaker.
Noted. I’ll see about getting some Polysonic in for my follow up video. 👌🏻👌🏻
@@MandicReally I'm suer @Polymaker will send you some especially for a test like this. :)
E3D coming in hot with these collaborations
IMHO, this is a straight up game changer that I've been waiting months for!
Nice, can't wait to see the results you get on your own printers
You and me both!
Very cool upgrade to a printer that keeps getting better
SMRRF was brilliant. It was great meeting you and I ended up with nearly a full kg of free samples, keyrings and stickers 😅
WOW. I need one now.
I just got my X1C the other and I was thinking about how there's no coated nozzle option. An E3D ObXidian coated nozzle for the Bambu X1C is fucking awesome! Absolutely buying one as soon as it's available
I wonder how this compares to the Aliexpress TZ2.0 hotends. I got a 1.0 version with a hardened steel 0.4 mm CHT nozzle for ~$15 and it works great.
I doubtful it will be 5 times better. Its all about the "brand".
Yeah. I can run the aliexpress 0.4 CHT with most PLA at about 40mm^3. The stock hardened maxed out at about 25.
I haven't run many of the special high speed versions. Bambu PLA runs about the same as Elegoo Rapid PLA+. Both are faster than standard PLA by a little, but I don't think it's worth it for my uses.
Imports use a brass CHT style insert. Making the hardened nozzle a bit dumb. For abrasives, it might be best to stick with stock. That is ok with me as I tend to do functional stuff slower anyway as I'm more concerned about strength and accuracy than print speed for those.
This is great info. I’m building a Ender 3 NG and am looking to put a bambu labs hotend in the build.
Would love to see a shootout between this and the aliexpress v2.0 hotends with hardened steel CHT clone at some point. People have been getting a clean 35-40 on those for a bit now and a cleaner surface finish. Wonder if the gen 2 Bambu will switch to high flow.
I’ve got one on the bench right now (of both designs). Biggest issue is, the Ali Express ones AREN’T hardened. Only the outside of them is. The actual high flow splitter portion is raw copper. So it’s gonna wear down FAST with actual abrasive materials. I may devise a way to test that too.
They've got a nice collection of machines there.
There were a handful of RatRigs and Vorons too, but they were closer to the folks working and I didn’t want to be blurring footage the entire time. 😅
Great video thanks. Wonder if Bambu will be adding any new tuned machine or profile settings to the firmware / Bambu Studio. One of the great selling points of their hardware is how well tuned together everything is straight out of the box.
I kind of doubt it. Maybe I’ll take some time and clean up my profiles a bit for release. I have some “quality” presets I mostly use that improve print quality off the machine. They’ve been mostly focused on speed I feel. The machine can do amazing quality if you just slow it down a bit and spend a little time tuning. And it’s still very fast like that. Hopefully Bambu does, if not maybe it’s finally time for me to release mine.
@@MandicReallywell that’s the beauty of the 3D printing community, if the manufacturer doesn’t do it someone in the community usually does.
While Bambu isn’t perfect they are nice machines and this product could potentially unlock the potential of the machine.
Welcome to Oxford :)
I've been getting noticeably better looking prints with the E3D nozzle even when not printing faster
That touches on a topic I'm really not sure how to cover (or if it is a real thing), but in my head makes sense. My Theory: If you have a hotend capable of flowing more filament, it will produce better strength & quality results at lower flowrates too. My logic being, you aren't pushing it to its limits so the hotend has an easier time of maintaining consistent and healthy flow throughout your print, producing overall superior results.
I think this is a subject I may have to suggest to Stefan over at CNC Kitchen. Does a High Flowrate hotend produce superior quality & strength results, when NOT maxed out?
They were already out of stock by the time I got the announcement email this morning :/
One of the Bambulab their has a sticker that says powered by duet3d.
already out of stock. Why am I not surprised? I'll be back . . .. .THANKS MANDIC and E3D of course !
Don’t own a bamboo but I do love me some E3D
It’s one of the last few things that are still fully Made in England. Thus the price point. But the quality of their stuff justifies it in my eyes.
looking forward to trying these out. im more than able to produce pristine abs parts at sustained 30 cubic on my x1 with stock kickstarter hardened hotends though. the trick, is printing substantially hotter. like 30c hotter than i run my vorons at. its a combination of this, and "grade shopping"" the right filaments with the right base resin.
Wow, interesting. I print a hair cooler with ASA as I find the overhang performance suffers if it don’t. But I’m generally more worried about quality versus speed. It is nice to be able to push it harder when I need a project done asap though.
I now run the Bambu hotend on my Voron too. 0.6mm hardened nozzle on a 350mm V2.4r2
270c around 30mm3/s is possible but I slowed it down to 22mm3/s.
For the price of only the heater block + heat break before I can now get 2-3 fully assembled Bambu hotends….
what was the nozzle temperature on both tests ?
Super information , c 'est très intéressant a savoir , tu aurais pu t’arrêter en France pour boire un café car tu n' était pas loin :) , en tout cas superbe vidéo , merci........👍
This is really great. The lack of replacement aftermarket nozzles was a real source of anxiety for me with this printer since it's a common wear part and I didn't want to be stuck with a dead printer if Bambu went out of business. It's good to see that Bambu is up for collabs with other companies!
There are hotends on ali with v6 nozzles. So there are options, one could buy one and put it somewhere safe. So you have one in case
Not only are there Aliexpress replacements that allow nozzle swaps, but they are even improved by the addition of screws between heatblock and heatsink to prevent damage to the heatbreak.
@@Duckferd Not to mention those nozzle swaps have high flow inserts that I've been able to achieve over 27mm3/sec flow rate with. All for about $15-20 USD.
@@beholdr87Link, please.
can get over 32mm3/sec with some pla's@@beholdr87
Will bambu include a preset in Bambu Studio for that nozzle?
I've been running cht style nozzles on my p1p for a couple months and if you use orca slicer to generate a flow rate racetrack test it only takes about 20 minutes per filament to come up with the new flow rate number to put in your filament profile. I'm sure they will release profiles eventually but in the meantime doing it yourself isn't that bad.
Love the idea of finally having a HF nozzle but it's hella expensive £60.00 GBP for either version feels a ton. More so when you factor shipping or even spare parts, I know people tend to buy probably one of each but I like to keep an extra spare for disasters (Which I'm happy to say are not that common on Bambu Lab Printers for the most part).
I'm certain they will become available in more locations (with better shipping rates) before long. Many of the US retailers sell E3D products afterall.
For me, speeds and flow are fine. I rather have a coated nozzle that PETG wont glob onto. That's my biggest nozzle/filament issue. If their coating helps that I might be in for this.
0:51 Anybody else noticed the "Powered by Duet 3" sticker on the X1C ?
I did
So happy to see bambu lab branching out and being open to allow innovation. pretty steep on the price.
It is not cheap, that’s for sure. I’m looking at it as a “buy once, cry once” item. You get increased performance, better wear resistance, reduce filament sticking, all on one hotend. We shall see in long term testing how it goes.
pretty sure that's bambulabs with licensing pricing. E3D is usually on the more premium side but that price is too high just for that.
could you compare this against one of those hotend replacement kits for the bambu printers from aliexpress/temu ?
Certainly, in fact I already did in this video: th-cam.com/video/AppUVvf-UGg/w-d-xo.html
Check it out to see further testing on this & against the AliExpress hotend.
I'm interested, but the price of the nozzle is the price of two complete assemblies that include a fan and heater. Not sure the performance justifies 7x the cost.
The obxsidian coating reduces blob stick on the hotend and blob bumping the print is like 90% of the failures I have. If this nozzle fixes that, then i'm all in as it would eliminate or greatly reduce the #1 source of print failure for me and many others combined with faster stronger prints.
@@42436freak I've got hundreds of printing hours on my P1P and it effectively runs 24/7 at this point filling orders. I think I've seen blobbing on the hot end twice and that was due to me using some terrible quality filament that had been sitting out for ages. Don't get me wrong, the idea of even faster printing appeals greatly given the faster this machine puts out, the faster it makes money, but I'm going to have to see more than a few reviews before this thing even remotely justifies that kind of price.
Depends on what you use your printer for and other key factors.
For me it seems like it would make sense but I have a farm of Bambu printers running prototypes for several businesses and recently added making cosplay items since the amount of printers I have and the speed of the printers gave extra time. Obviously the prototyping takes priority, but increasing print speed while keeping the same or better quality adds more free time for other projects and faster turnaround alltogether.
@@shawnhicks619 I hear you and as someone steadily expanding their own print farm, my argument is as follows; There comes a point where the cost of the upgrade exceeds the value of what you are going to get from it and you really are better off considering spending more and buying another machine entirely. To me this nozzle at that price is dangerously close to that precipice where I would almost rather just buy another printer. Sure I'll spend more money initially, but I'll get far more production than that nozzle will produce in its lifetime. There is also the small fact that the stock bambu printers are already printing near the limits of PLA when speed and quality are concerned and really we are getting into diminishing returns. I view it kind of like upgrading from a lower high end GPU to a high end GPU. Sure the high end is faster and in some ideal situations is certainly noticeable, but 95% of the time the actual performance difference is negligible. Now if you can make an argument where that performance difference benefits you 50% or 60% of the time, then you have an argument. I might be wrong, only time will tell. But beyond a "Oh cool" factor I don't see a real world scenario where a marginally faster nozzle justifies that kind of price.
High flow is cool, how long until Revo will be compatible with the X1? I’m not sure that the Panda is compatible just yet for the X1…
If you aren't afraid of soldering its compatible, but keep in mind that the revo nozzles flow pretty bad, 12 to 15mm3/s depending on who you ask. My tests with the bambu hotend suggest 22 to 23mm3/s using a different filament (prusament asa at 260, esun silk pla at 230, polymaker pla at 220 to 225), so keep that in mind. The revo hf nozzles pretty much exactly match stock performance, but cost like 60 dollars a piece
purchased. lets see what the ol p1p can do with PETG
You must have got one of the last ones. They're sold out now. lol
oh no. well it says shipped so guess so. @@Kman31ca
Hey I don't know if Bambulab changed anything about it hotends but I can reach 21 mm3/s (with Extrudr PLA NX2) and I haven't had any problems in 200h print time (purchased in October)
These flow rate tests depend heavily on what filament is used. Prusament for example is a pla that likes heat like no other, stock mk3 profiles use 215c, mk4 input shaper ones use 220c and that what i would consider standard for that specific filament.
My tests also back up your results, although the bambu hotend only sucks at melting because of the thermistor position. You pretty much measure heater temperature on them, while a volcano has the nozzle between thermistor and heater, meaning the nozzle is warmer than the thermistor while the bambu nozzle is colder than the thermistor. I tested the temperature difference with the aliexpress hotend and regular v6 nozzles, in that configuration its the exact same length and material as a dragon hf. To achieve the same flow rate you need a temperature increase of 15c due to the arrangement of the components
Yeah thats about what seems to happen.
I print the Extrudr PLA NX2 at 230 first layer and 220 afterwards.
These tests depend heavily on a lot of factors but filament is absolutely the biggest one. We have to pick a control and run with it. For me, I run mostly PolyMaker PLA and it only hits around the 18 number we hit in this test on my machine. Glad you’ve found something that works for you, but it makes me wonder how much more that filament may flow with this hotend then.
I dont know about you sponsoring deals, but maybe a comparison about different brands.
Could be about voumetric speed but also considering quality, overhangs, stickyness, and such.
I just checked Bambu Studio and their default Bambu PLA Basic profile has volumetric flow of 21mm3/s and Bambu PLA Matte has 22 mm3/s, so it seems the printer can push over 20 mm3/s with the default hotend. I actually used that profile for printing with PLA that's not from Bambu and it worked just fine for me. Used it multiple times now and printed prints that took 5-6 hours to complete and had no issues. Although I definitely don't print as much as you do.
Would be great if you could test Bambu filament even though you don't necessarily use it often. Would be interested if that flow could be pushed over 30 mm3/s comfortably with Bambu filament or any popular filament really. And just how much of a time saver that really is while printing.
Check other profiles. Bambu either has a “high flow” element to their own filament or just pushes it harder than I’d consider acceptable. I haven’t tested it but I do have some on hand I can test. So I’ll try and test a handful of materials when I revisit this.
@@MandicReally yeah the "Generic PLA" profile has 12 mm3/2, which is considerably slower than Bambu PLA Basic/Matte profiles. I never dug really deep into it, but just decide to try printing this other PLA that I have with Bambu PLA profile and it worked nicely and I haven't noticed any issue.
That's why I'm curious about your opinion because you definitely have way more 3d printing experience than I do. I'm still a beginner.
Since I just woke up to my X1 "air" printing because the nozzle plugged can these E3d nozzles be cleared if they become plugged?
I’ve cleared CHT nozzles in the past. They can be cold pulled or heated heavily and plunged out. Though I just try to use only decent quality filament and haven’t had a clog on anything in a while. They ARE more difficult to deal with though.
So when on the A series
I'd love to try the upgrade but CLASSIC E3D is out of stock. They are notorious for never having things in stock.
Is it possible to get good results above 50mm/s of the polymakee ASA?
No, I really don’t think there is a chance of that. I will be testing it but I expect mid 20s on flowrate. I’ve got Hotends that will push 50+ but they are MUCH more serious Hotends than Bambu’s design.
E3D should also do one for Creality K1 / K1 Max
Seeing the K1 on the bench there, I'm sure they're working on something. I'm ready for it!
I have no information, but you can totally spot a K1 in the engineering department. (Wild speculation commence!)
Bambu printer using prusa filament made me giggle inside.
I used what I was provided. 😅😅
I'm more excited about the BTT Panda Revo and the HF Obxidian nozzles 🤘🤘
Watch the channel for more… 😉😉
I was very disappointed with the quality for the price and their CS suggestions on how to fix their poor splices instead of replacing the unit. It totally depends on your use case, but the print speed/price/quality/dealing with BTT variables make it a bad buy for me. I really wanted a coated nozzle for PETG (not a big issue but more a QoL improvement for me) and the time changing nozzles was a plus. But the price for their system isn't worth it to me (I rather use that money for a wood planer, those things are pricey, lol) and it only takes like 2 min to get a bambu nozzle in and out.
Just my 2 cents on using it.
i own my p1s for about 1 month now.. and i wonder whats the benefits of these? im not getting it? i can just get some from babmu with hardened steel... what is the difference ??? sorry im a lil bit confused
Higher flower means you can achieve higher extrusion rates. That could mean thicker extrusions at higher speeds, higher speeds on lower extrusion thicknesses, or just stronger parts due to more consistent extrusion. It isn’t something everyone needs, more for those trying to push their machines to achieve as much as they can.
does this offer any advantage over the Aliexpress CHT nozzles which have been out for months for a fifth of this price?
Those are longer than stock nozzles, causing possible offset and cooling issues. Have questionable build quality. Proprietary nozzles for replacements. And lastly (and probably biggest) they aren’t wear resistant internally. They have copper inserts. So sure the tip may not wear externally but abrasives will ruin those inside.
@@MandicReally No the older ones were longer, causing issues with the nozzle wiper, but the newer ones are the same length as a stock Bambu. You can also get them in hardened steel and they're easily replaceable, I could get 8 for the price of one of these, and I've pushed my P1P up 35mm3/s with them 🤔
i dont get it what to do? i changed the flowrate but what else do i have to change? its just 1% faster at the moment. are there any profiles? printing asa filament. thanks for help in advance. cant find any info at bambulab or e3de about settings
I’ll work on tuning in some profiles on mine I guess. Bambu & E3D haven’t done so yet that I’m aware of.
@@MandicReally will U share them then ?
We need DiamondBack nozzles for Bambu machines. Filament occasionally sticking to the nozzle is my #1 real issue with my Bambu machines.
Agreed. ObXidian supposedly reduces that but I haven’t tested it thoroughly enough to say. I’ve always been too worried about flow on my Revo Hotends and only just got in the Revo ObXidian today. The filament sticking on my Bambus has absolutely caused print issues in the past. Especially when it drags one color into another on a multi color print.
There a Revo diamond back already and panda Revo hotend for Bambu.
@@eighty-eighth_section the Panda hotend isn’t available yet unfortunately. Not publicly anyway. Hopefully soon from what I’m told. And I’m not certain if it will be X1 compatible out of the box right away.
Yeah. I really want this but I am all thumbs when it comes to parts this small. Providing a quick swap option would be ideal for me. A $100 complete hot end is pricey but a 50% increase in print speed without risk of breaking fragile leads is worth it for me.
For me, I’ve found that 95% of the time I leave the .4 nozzle in my X1. So I’ll swap this in and it will likely be in there until something else breaks first. Kind of a “buy it once” item for me. But I’ll be testing a Revo on a Bambu soon-ish…
These are not hard to change out, it's 2 screws, and 3 plugs. Self-centering by design as well, you just put it in and screw it in. No fluff.
I get a "Nozzle temperature malfunction" error with these high flow hotends...can't figure out what's going on after a ton of troubleshooting.
The heater element just isn’t strong enough. As filament flows rapidly it takes heat with it. Faster flow, more heat taken away. Most high flow Hotends have higher wattage heaters to keep up. The E3D Revo High Flow kit comes with a 60w heater instead of the default 40w unit that the base Revo has.
@@MandicReally I thought the stock heater was 48W not 40W, since the E3D hotend is used with a Bambu Lab heater.
The odd thing is that I get the temperature error inconsistently - at low flow rates and higher flow rates.
It's pretty similar to what you showed in your other video, but your solution wouldn't work since I was already printing fully enclosed. It seems to happen all the time with the max flow rate "racetrack" test, but not so common during normal prints, even when I'm pushing the printer really hard.
The stock Bambu one is 48W, I was referring to the E3D Revo Hotends when I said 40 & 60w. Their other line of Hotends.
Have you tried changing heaters? I know ModBot ran into the issue more than I did. I wonder if there is just that much variability in the heaters and thermistors. Without being able to monitor better & PID tune, there isn’t much we can do to research that.
@@MandicReally I bought a pack of 3 heaters from Bambu and tried all 3 of them. I guess there's not really a fix 🤷♂
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The Nozzles/hotend's are already out of stock
Bruh. I just bought the whole range of nozzles from Bambu. If I had known this is coming I would have waited a bit.
well you have a .8 and .2 so stop crying 😢 #1stWorldProblems
@@DebianDog don't forget the .6!
You run into speed limitations quite quickly with the .8 though, that's where the higher throughput would shine the most.
@@LachskoenigIV I am really looking forward to what the Diamondback will be able to do because you are right .8 in vase mode leaves a lot to be desired. I actually reached out to Diamondback and they told me " soon"
For the price of the nozzle and the fact it's not a quick swap in like Bambulabs hot-end assembly, I'll just wait for Bambulabs to release their own version.
I doubt Bambu will release own version. They wouldn't make such cooperation if they planed to do own variant. Next improvement we will see from Bambu is their new printer generation. Current will stay more or less "as is" IMO.
@@arekxYeah, I’d suspect that the next printer will likely include an amalgamation of all their updates since releasing the X1. For example, I could see an “X2” using the quick swap nozzle from the A1.
It’d be expensive and I don’t really need such high speed anyway, but I’d just buy an extra Bambu hot end assembly and put this in it; just bolt on/off like I do with my other Bambu hotends. (But you’re right, expensive overall.)
You’ll also wait because they’re already sold out 😆
While the price is high, much higher then a stock replacement nozzle, it’s exactly the same as a replacement nozzle from Bambu.
I could see people buying this to really unlock the potential of the Bambu line of printers. They are capable of much more then stock one bottleneck is the hot end.
Im not sure the average hobbyist would be interested at the price but im somewhat tempted to really push the speeds up since I actually run a farm of these making prototypes and other items. Makes a little bit more sense for me since im making money and time is money especially on prototypes for companies. Buying enough upgraded hot ends for a quarter of my machines potentially would be a better investment then another machine.
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Everyone I know slows their Bambu labs machine down not because of a lack of flow but more just for nicer print quality.
My default profiles are slowed down significantly, however even those bump against flowrate limitations sometimes. And especially when I'm working on a project where I am fully willy to trade quality for speed. If I'm trying to lay down thick .28mm layers & just get a print done, flowrate is a MAJOR limitation.
I hope you get a chance to compare it with the Panda CHT and Panda Revo hotends from the BondTech, E3D, & BIQU collaboration which are coming out soon.
Oh I will. 😉😉 Look out for videos about it (hopefully soon).
Interesting. With a cht + phaetus Rapido I can get 50mm3/s with prusament pla.
How are you testing that? I’ve never come close to 50mm3/s of legitimately usable flow on my Rapido + CHT setup. I’m pretty conservative about the way I test though. I’m always aiming to know what’s the most usable, not the bleeding edge of what a setup can push.
@@MandicReally orca slicer has a max flow rate test that is super easy to use. It's under calibration -> more -> max volumetric flow. Complete hotend setup and profile is: v6 cht bimetal 0.6mm, trianglelab flow extender(works like the nut but compatible with v6 instead of volcano), phaetus Rapido plus v1, boron nitride paste on the threads for the nut and the nozzle. Then the prusament pla galaxy black printed at a whopping 240c. Extruder is a Vzhextrudort v1. Technically reached like 55, but lowered all the way down to 40.
@@ivyr336 ah, the Flow Extender is the missing puzzle piece. Best I’ve ever achieved on my Rapido was more like 40, but I don’t have the extender, so that makes sense.
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Wow. I would have expected flow rate to be much higher even in stock form. I would still outrun the e3d one with ease.
so I will admit that I am not the most knowledgeable person for this type of info (hence why I have a Bambu), but if I am mainly doing functional prints & PAHT-CF at lower speeds on Silent mode (for quality), would this nozzle really gain me anything? seems this is aimed more at high flow / high speed users.
Less benefit for sure. There is an argument to be made that less restrictive flowing may increase part strength due to better layer adhesion, but that is something that would have to be tested. Also the ObXidian coated hardened steel hotend may last longer than the just hardened steel Bambu hotend. Another thing that would need testing but their ObXidian coating itself has been tested and shown to increase wear resistance heavily.
I also run my machine well below its maximums majority of the time. For me this will allow me to push the few parts I need to get done ASAP. There are times when I'm late on a project and just need parts now where the flowrate of the stock hotend leaves me limited.
@@MandicReally Gotcha. Makes sense.
I did increase the flow for ironing to like 25% from the stock profiles 10%, and that helped a ton for finish (still getting oddball bumps that I think are micro-clogs in the .04 nozzle, though). But printing on Silent mode means I have capacity to increase flow if needed.... so maybe once I wear out my nozzles, it won't hurt to get one of these for the coating & such like you said.
Thanks for the information & videos!
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I wonder if the bondtech technology of splitting the filament for a higher flow could increase the chance of a clog with carbon and glass fiber filaments
Yep, tests with the AliExpress Bambu replica hotend for CHT clones showed that you can get until 35mm^3/s so 8 more than the E3D one (for only 25 €/$ lmao)
@@dorianvincent2101 1 not the question asked 2, the copper cores in those are obliterated by fiber reinforced filaments.
The teardrop shape is meant to avoid just that the design helps smooth flow which can better align the fibers for extrusion. And since the filament is cut you don't need to worry about issues retracting. That said I'd only use fibers in 0.6, 0.4 seems to clog to much even in standard nozzles for me. Lord help if you try to cold pull one of these, I don't think that is going to work.
Thanks for the info .. I have been printing fine with 0.4 nozzle as long as i'm using 0.25 layer height. The tear shape design is interesting .. I didn't pay attention to it @@42436freak
The passages are larger than nozzle diameter. The smallest point of the entire path is still the actual nozzle orifice. So as long as it doesn’t clog with standard nozzles, it shouldn’t with this design.
We‘re talking about 60 Pounds for a single hotend, ✨Innovation✨
So I jumped on 3dJake, a European printer parts retailer and checked pricing. The MAJORITY of Hotends they sell are over $76 USD (what 60GBP converts to). Phaetus, MicroSwiss, Slice, Flashforge, Zortrax, and even CREALITY Hotends are more. And majority of those don’t come with a heater or thermistor. And almost none of them have to license technology from other companies to be produced like E3D has to do with this design (Bambu & Bondtech).
Bambu sells there “hotends” so cheap it feels like an undercutting of the market, so folks now expect that to be the standard. I wish these were cheaper too, but in the grand scheme of 3d printing, it’s not a horrible price.
@@MandicReally back in the days we were able to change the nozzle, a cost effective way to enjoy the hobby. They can create/produce consumer friendly stuff if they really want to, but that’s not their kind of innovation. I get the point of keeping the weights low - but your printer depends on their pov/interests.
You can find alternatives with changeable nozzles, therefore a much cheaper way to achieve higher flow ratios (CHT Nozzle)/ a cheaper way to change your nozzle diameter. So we compare a much cheaper variation to a single hotend.
You can spend money on whatever you want, we should all accept that, the words above are just my thoughts on modern days innovations.
sold out or not launched yet.....
already sold out :/
I really wanna see someone mod a Neptune 4 Max to use these.
Honestly this flows better than the N4Max but not by a wide margin. I’ve been round and round with that machine already trying to come up with a hotend solution, but I can’t without having to drill out parts on the drill press. Which isn’t something I can present as a “diy option” for most folks, so I haven’t messed with it further.
@@MandicReally I'm honestly less interested in the hotend than the nozzle change system and ecosystem. I would *LOVE* to have 0.6mm hardened nozzles for my N4M, and there don't appear to be any on the horizon.
I don't really mind if it means replacing the whole print head if it can be done with the stock firmware. Which is, admittedly, a pretty considerable 'if'.
Will there be a us based supplier?
I’m certain as supplies improve there will be. I’ll post on my social medias as they become further available.
@@MandicReally I’m really interested in your testing of this Hotend and the BIQU panda.
@@cbking95 excellent. You’re in luck cause I’ve got 2 videos planned one with each of those Hotends. 👌🏻👌🏻
@@MandicReally awesome. I print a lot of polymaker ASA on 5 P1S’s
How you like the houses? 😂😂😂 they looks the same like that warehouse( factory)
well my issue with these hotends is not flow, its that they bend way too easily, might be because the printer is violently beating that wiper but still
Been running a X1 since the Kickstarter campaign and I’ve not had one bed yet. You are by no means the only one to say that, but I’m not sure what situations are bending them.
@@MandicReally i mean the spare one that was in the box with the printer is a little bit bent and ive never used that one
My stock P1P prints up to 21mm3/s, so - How exactly this is an improvement?
What material and test did you use to determine that? How did you qualify what the maximum flowrate was? Have you tested or are you just looking at Bambu's volumetric flowrate limit setting for their own filament slicer profile?
All those questions out of the way, I showed this improved flowrate on one material by 50%. It stands to reason that if you legitimately are testing and finding you are getting 21mm3/s out of your stock hotend, you may well get upwards of 30+mm3/s on that same material. Now flowrates are not so easily calculated or determined. Material properties, individual machine properties can vary and effect results. One material to another can have vastly different flow characteristics. Or testing methodologies can influence outcomes too. Like I can crank temps to levels I'd never print at just to boost flowrate numbers in a test, but that doesn't translate to what I'm going to use day to day.
I cannot speak for you on what this would all mean for you, all I can do is present tests that show this hotend improves flowrate. Which can lead to stronger parts at similar speeds to current slicer profiles, or the ability to unlock higher speeds than the stock hotend can allow. I personally find the stock Bambu hotend a limiting factor in pushing speeds on these machines.
@@MandicReally , I believe everything you said, but probably we study different physics, because it's a simple math to determine a flowrate... 🙄
@@ELMANTEC you'll have to explain that to me. Are you quantifying the heating capability of the hotend? Length of the meltzone? Chemical properties of the individual spools of filament? How are you calculating flowrate without running a physical test?
I am NOT someone who says "Math is pointless", but formulas and calculations that are purely on paper don't factor in variance of reality. The same as not all Flowrate tests show the same results. Purely extruding into free air and weighing the finished results doesn't factor in the pressures generated by the layers below & behind an extrusion point. The rate of extrusion can vary due to the current applied to the extruder stepper motor. There are SO MANY variables in the real world that math formulas alone cannot factor in.
@@MandicReally My apologies if I left you with wrong expectations, but I am not here to educate people. I know you will say - "ahaaa, I knew it, he cannot explain it...". It's ok, you can say it.
I already regret I started this comment. :/
Tbh I can't justify spending £60 plus shipping on this when u can get a bambu stock one for £12. So I can buy 5 stock for the price of one of them... By all means if e3d see this, then you can send me one to check out and see if you can change my mine. 😅😊😂
Bambu powered by duet 3d lmao
Compared to the Bambulabs hot end these are quite expensive
True, but you cannot discount the machining and coating costs and challenges of making a part like this. First the machining of the highflow insert very small and precise which takes time and money. Second the coating of hardened steel parts is very difficult. The coating deposition needs to happen in very controlled conditions and temps. This also need to be done cool enough to not affect the tempering of the hardened steel so some kinds of plasma coating are out. Its not expensive because the can be, they are expensive because of good execution by a competent engineering team not cutting corners.
What 42436freak said, and add in licensing. The high flow tech is licensed from Bondtech. The heatsink design is licensed from Bambu. Those aren’t insignificant expenses most likely. (I don’t have any info on that and wouldn’t share if I did.)
@@42436freakand @MandicReally is am definitely not discounting the engineering and the value that they provide, its just that maybe a test on the same nozzle can be tested with Nylon and Nylon CF material so that a better comparison is possible. For the PLA i am quite satisfied with the standard HS nozzle that we get from Bambu labs, but the Nylon CF was something i was quite disappointed. That disappointment could also be because i was testing a non standard Nylon CF filament, probably i should try something from polymaker.
Pretty pricey, but then again, all of E3D's nozzles usually are over normal nozzles. However its not like you need to keep a ton of them on hand like you would with an Ender type printer.
Im not very happing about the testing method.
Why are there two different g-codes to compare?
For me this is not a very good testing method.
Im really looking forward for a test with the exact same g-code to see the real difference under "equivalent" circumstances.
Every single variable is the same except for speeds of the two. To run the exact same gcode back to back would have taken too long. We were on a time crunch as I only had a few hours there before we had to go setup for SMRRF. I’ll retest in my studio when there is less of a crunch.
Holy shit! so about a $100.00 US (maybe a bit more) once taxes, duty and shipping are factored in? Ya, I'm gonna take a hard pass on this. Might be ok if your running a print farm but for guys only doing a half dozen or so prints a week it's WAY over priced considering you still have to build it up yourself and add a fan. I'll wait a while, I'm sure there'll be a ton of other high flows for a fraction of the cost available very soon if this catches on..
add they are sold out
ANNNNDDDDDDDDD their GONE....just wow
15 minutes after this video it up it’s already sold out
If your flow rate is really down to 12mm3/s you're doing something wrong.
My flow rates are all above 19 and even 22 for eSun ABS+.
We will be retesting thoroughly when I get to doing another update video on my X1. But I’ve been pretty solidly sitting with my profiles there for a while. And the default profiles from Bambu are generally similar.
@@MandicReally Bambu's profiles are very conservative because they want them to "just work" for everybody, which is fine. But you can easily push the envelope, although it greatly depends on the filament quality too.
So next problem will be cooling.
Depending on material choice and print size. Layer times management will be your best friend. But I’ve got some plans for the next upgrade video to address this too…
@@MandicReally Can you do a deep dive on layer time settings and how you can tune them to your advantage?
Annnnnd…sold out
E3D quality>>>bambu lab quality.
Half Life 3 ... how I do wish.
£60 is ridiculous though
In my eyes, it is a “cry once” product. Sure it’s not cheap, but you swap this in and forget about it. It will handle wear for a longggg time and increase speed for your full filament lineup. They have to license the tech from Bambu AND Bondtech just to make it. Unlike knock off brands that don’t care. E3D produces some of the highest quality products on the market. And they manufacture mostly in the UK. It all adds up to a more expensive product to produce, but a higher quality one too.
@@MandicReally it'd be interesting to see what it's like up against the aliexpress cht clones I have on my bambu printers.
I recorded around 35mm flow rate on those. Depending on the filament though. That wasn't even with high speed pla.
And they're a fraction of the price, have a brace to stop the nozzle throat bending, and nozzles replaceable. Not sure how e3d can get away with £60 imo. I'd be interested to see how the coating performs for rogue bits of filament though
What a stupidly high price
And sold out
all sold out
annnnnd they're both sold out. lol
ehhh - not worth trouble
Hard pass.
This pricing is an absolute joke.
Licensing tech from two companies along with their own specialized tech and manufacturing, the price makes sense if you consider what has to go into it. It isn’t cheap but with its design & wear characteristics it should be a “buy once” product.
Out of stock. 🥲