Heroic "Black 5s" to the Rescue. Day 1 & 2 of The Great Britain VI. 20th & 21st April 2013
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Just as this iconic tour seemed about to unravel due to mounting unavailability of loco's, in step Ian Riley's super reliable duo for what turned out to be a pretty spectacular couple of days in the far West. The second part of the first leg from Victoria to Exeter on the old Southern line turned out to be a disappointment as a "powered" class 47 diesel was attached at the back of the train hauled by 34067 Tangmere from Salisbury. At the top of Honiton Bank we can unfortunately see the results of over-enthusiastic "banking" although the weather and spectacle certainly made for wonderful images. A quick grab shot on an over-bridge just before Pinhoe catches the train coasting through the countryside. On to the next leg from Exeter to Par where the crowds are enjoying the sun at the Double Locks Pub we see the Black 5's in the far distance gradually picking up speed after leaving St David's as they head off over the city viaducts through St Thomas. Emerging from the trees at Matford the immaculate black pairing speed on towards the Exminster Marshes under the noisy M5 motorway. The final location for Day1 is the pretty viaduct at Forder where we leave the train heading off over the short summit into the sunny West. Overnight accommodation in Cornwall allowed for an easy start for the Day 2 leg from Newquay to Cardiff. The summit of the climb from sea level at Newquay over the backbone of Cornwall is the overbridge on Goss Moor, where the extra weight of the diesel, attached for all the manoeuvring at the mainline end of the branch turns the climb into a real challenge! Next to the Glynn Valley for a long shot of the climb from Bodmin Parkway, here a shower of rain a few minutes before makes the climb between Swainsford and West Largin just a little more difficult! Then to Bittaford where we see just how close the GW mainline gets to Dartmoor as the pair make a fine sight passing around the foot of Ugborough Beacon on the way to the summit at Wrangaton and Brent Hill beyond. Finally a nice close-up (the immaculate polish of yesterday now burried under a nice layer of grime) as they hurry the train up through the Exe valley at Woodrow Barton and eastwards towards Bristol and the remaining 7 days.
Only just got to this - lot of catching up to do!!!!! I'm sitting in my armchair shovelling imaginary coal into two Black 5s (No apostrophe, timewaster!!) and urging them on. Yet again some great location shooting giving us a long time to appreciate these engines in full thrash, thank you sir!!
Glad you found more to enjoy in the steamclips library Bob, so thank you for your enjoyable feedback. Kind regards, Alan
A superb video. Great filming at well chosen locations.
Outstanding footage Alan of 2 locos that never fail to produce wherever they are in the country; love the shot on Goss Moor, you don't get much better sound than that...Steve & Graham
What a fantastic video,All those miles was well rewarded .Brilliant camera work .Superb shot at Goss Moor.Enjoyed "liked"
Superb filming. Superb locations. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Eric.
Great stuff once again,love the shot at Matford.Thanks Tony.
Wow, Alan, great film. What a struggle at Goss Moor and I also like your different shots at Exeter and Bittaford. Unfortunately I couldn't get out to see the GB tour run this year. Keith
Outstanding thank you for uploading. Stunning!!
Fantastic footage from five years ago, Alan!
Many thanks Max, I really appreciate your kind feedback. Best regards, Alan
Superb Goss Moor capture! Well done!
Hi Eric and thank you for your kind comments, my pleasure to share. Alan
Hi Hugh: you see, we do get sun sometimes! but only one day!! Glad you enjoyed the show. Alan
Great video!
Hi and thank you for your kind and much appreciated feedback. Best regards, Alan
Nothing short of spectacular.
I'll take that Oscar! thank you for your much appreciated comment. Best regards, Alan
Hi Steve & Graham: thank you so much for your kind remarks, glad you enjoyed the show. Alan
Hi C&A and thank you for the nice comments. This was one of those weekends where everything went to plan, and that doesn't happen too often! Alan
Hi Tony and thank you for the nice comments. The Matford shot was an experiment as there are still no leaves on the trees, the great visibility on the day was a real bonus allowing an unusual view right into St Thomas. Alan
Interesting comment but there is a distinct difference of operation with a fire risk where usually (e.g. Torbay Express) the diesel is "double-headed" with the kettle and actually does most of the work. In this instance it heads and controls the whole train, with the kettle immediately in front as a "pilot" and doing little. For the GB6 tour, the diesel was attached at the back of the train as an emergency "banker", where for the most part, it did little and added to the load. Alan
great footage, thx !
Hi and thank you for your comments. A puff of exhaust from the diesel was seen just as they reached the bridge, hence the immediate acceleration which would not normally happen until more of the load had gone over the summit. Alan
Truly awesome and epic footage ,,, the shot at (was it Matford ) were just an incredible capture,,, that must go down as one of my all time favourite shots, Your locations and faultless camera work along with the planning that must go into capturing such a tour is a true credit to you,,, outstanding in every way ...many many thanks ,,,, best regards ,,,Alan
Hello Alan and thank you for your very kind comments, which I really appreciate. Best regards, (another!) Alan
Hi John and thank you for your kind comment. Goss Moor was certainly the main event of the day for anyone lucky enough to have been there. Alan
Hi Keith, thanks for the nice comments, always nice to hear from you. It's amazing what different views you can find before the trees come in to leaf, although I have to say that I hadn't realised how far into the city you can see from the trig point at Countess Weir. Alan
Hi and thank you for your kind comments. Looking forward to a much noisier pair this weekend! Alan
Hi and thank you for your kind comment and subscription, welcome aboard! Alan
Hi and thank you for your kind and interesting comments, I am sure you are right about crews. Alan
Hi and thank you for your kind comments. You are correct, they were very near the limit. Alan
Good footage. I watched this to see Plymouth (busiest station excepting Bristol) and Hemerdon
Thanks Richard, glad you enjoyed the clip. Alan
Hi and thank you for the amusing (and probably accurate!) comment, made me chuckle! Alan
Heroic Black Fives? Heroic bloody firemen more like!! ;)
Hi David and thank you for your amusing and I must say, quite correct comment! Regards, Alan
Hi and thank you for the very kind comments. Alan
Great stuff; love it.
Hi and many thanks for your much appreciated remarks. Regards, Alan
The fireman of the front engine did well, He started that climb without the safety valves lifting and by the end they wore off their seats on both engines.
7:49 more fantastic footage! I love the way you show steam in the landscape, the way it would have been! wonderful
For both of your much appreciated comments on this clip, many thanks. Alan
Cheers Alan! been sharing within my work community to show them how it was :)
Hi and thank you for the kind comment, most of the time the 47 acted as extra load which made the 5's work a bit harder. Alan
Hi and thank you for your kind remarks. Alan
Hi Andrei and thank you for your comments. Parts of inland Cornwall do have the look of the Highlands it's true. Alan
Terrific.
Hi and thank you for your kind and much appreciated feedback. Best regards, Alan
good engines the Black 5;s we had about 25 of them at my depot 12B ... 45371 good one
thumbs up and down does not work. so here- thumbs up for a great video!
Hi and many thanks for the nice feedback. Best regards, Alan
I went from paddington - penzance and return on a fgw 125 the first week in june
they really struggle on those hills in cornwall with all the power they have
Hi Alan and thank you for your interesting comment. Alan
From the rhythm of the exhausts it looks like the 2nd loco was doing most of the pulling at around 8:50.
Hi Alan , loving the vid particularly the black five footage.
Do you happen to know the gradient at Gros Moor ?
Mat
Hi and thank you for your kind and much appreciated comment. Sorry for the delay in answering your question but it has taken me some time to dig out the gradient profile for the Newquay branch. Find it here: paulsimpson.zenfolio.com/p895100848/h1e88489b#h1e88489b Best regards, Alan
Very Very nice. Those 5's seem to be a silent pair!
David - how do you do it? Remarkable videos, exciting action, close-ups, long shots - they are all here. I am intrigued as to how you find the sites to film from... do you scope out on 'Earth', do you walk the countryside, or is there some kind of agreement between railway video-makers where you swap vantage points? For instance, why would you have thought to view St Thomas from so far? And, most intriguingly, are you cloned to get to all these places at the appropriate times (I can't see you out-running these locos)?
The Goss moor segment is a heart-stopper - will they make it? I'm so pleased you are able to post these videos. Thankyou.
Hello and thank you once again for such kind feedback. I do put a lot of planning into my work if only to make sure that I am away from the many that congregate at popular locations and as a consequence, upload similar footage. Things that help are water stops, shunting maneuvers (as here) or short cuts by road as the railway takes a longer path, it's all a lot of fun and rewarding when it works out. In the Goss Moor shot you will see most photographers on the main road in the background because it is so accessible, but the light and wind direction was all wrong for them and they had to suffer road noise into the bargain. Best regards, Alan (not David!)
Yeah - catch 22 - Recently the Heat has caused 'Deisel Assistance' on a lot of trains, but usually the deisel does nothing just meaning more effort from the kettle (and more risk of fire!)
Well the ones I have seen recently have all been 'assisting' with driver asleep in the diesels rear cab ;)
Your most welcome. Good luck!
Both locos kept their feet well on the climb.
That's what you get, when using Pacific's on a 1:40 hill. Pacific's are good train.. on level line (express lines)
they dont slip,,,if the slipping occur,,brake the train and dont try to run again.here the locos work hard and climb at very low speed,,
8 to 10 minutes,,,wow i thougt the locos will stop...but the engineers apply all the power,,the adventage ...no slipping,,and then gain sppeed again
I think of this pair as the only articulated "Black 10". The running costs must be very high though.
Excellent photography and video.Beautiful scenery. But who is pulling the train?double steam engine or diesel engine!!!.Thanks.
Hi and thank you for your kind comment and question. For the most part the two steam locomotives did all the work with the diesel acting as "extra load". This gave a problem on Goss Moor where the combined weight of the train and diesel on the climb to the road-bridge proved too much. The diesel was then called by radio to help out and you see the train quickly pick up speed over the summit. The situation however made for a wonderful and rare sight and I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time! Best regards, Alan
Fantastic - although its a class 47 Diesel :P
Very nice locations, indeed. 11:10 on could well be the Highlands, couldn't it.
Nice Doubleheader.
Cheers Dan, I appreciate your kind comment. Best regards, Alan
Can understand a diesel on back of tangmere as it not exactly most reliable engine but the black fives were the best shots in whole video
Hi David and thank you for your valued comment. I am about to upload an enhanced version of your favourite shot as part of a short compilation. Regards, Alan
@@Steamclips that's cool look forward to that
GR8 set of clips...looked like they were struggling at 08:30
4:21 on wow perfect shots
Very nicely filmed - nice weather for it too...! I do wish they stop painting-up all the steam locos in the wretched BR colours however. I'd rather not be reminded of those dark destructive days.
Hi and thank you for your kind, interesting and much appreciated comments. I have to agree with your sentiments regarding the popularity of B.R. black painted on locos that could justifiably be turned out in what would have been more interesting "original" liveries. Best regards, Alan
They were BR Locos for most of their lives and that's how most of us remember them, fondly!
44871 black 5 with a name plate looks a bit odd. Cracking vid
Hello Dave: many thanks for your kind remark and I do admit that traditionally un-named locos do look a little strange when gifted with a nameplate. Thanks also for your subscription, welcome aboard! Best regards, Alan
dave briton Yeah,like its a Julibee painted in black.
+SEABOARD COAST LINE PRODUCTIONS jubilees where painted in a range of liveries, BR maroon, BR black and BR green back in the day, it would be interesting to see one painted in express passenger blue
WOW, they're really struggling at 8:55
At the start I thought the Bullied had a busted tube. Was all that steam the safety lifting because the diesel at the back was doing all the work? I don't really understand the "Over enthusiastic Banking" comment.
Hi and thank you for your comment and question, which I think you have answered yourself, i.e. the "over-enthusiastic" pushing by the diesel meant that the steamer was doing no work at all and actually blowing off at the top of one of the hardest climbs in the Westcountry! Regards, Alan
the worst condition for a train is the gradient,,,the degrees to climb. in flat floor no problem, if the train weights 1000 ton or more,,,the engineer may calculate the inversal force...Always the trantion force of the locomotive may be greater than the inversal force,,,if the inversal force is greater,brake all the train. and dont try to run,,the locomotive may slip,,,generating heat in the wheels.
TANGMERE: Hey, Mr. 47, do you mind not being so over-enthusiastic here? I'm getting worn out.
CLASS 47 (realising his mistake): Oops! Sorry, Tangmere. My Driver got a bit excited.
The train comes to a station-stop and worn-out Tangmere is uncoupled to go into a siding. Two Black 5s take the strain in her place. Tangmere doesn't mind being left behind, she can rest her aching wheels.
TANGMERE (to herself): Stupid Diesel Driver. I'm a delicate engine in need of Tender Loving Care.
About a week later, the fault of over-working Tangmere returns to torment the delicate Bullied Pacific. Running easily towards a steep incline....
DRIVER: OK, Tangmere, let's see how wonderfully dramatic we can make this shall we?
TANGMERE (screaming in alarm): NO! PLEASE! YOU'LL WEAR ME OUT!
FIREMAN (sticking up for his steamy friend): Don't you dare. I'm not about to force our poor girl here to work harder than she needs to. Have a care, won't you?
The silly Driver refuses to listen. Tangmere, nearly out of puff already, slows to snail's pace halfway up. She feels like she might explode. The heavy train jerks to a slippy stand-still. The Black 5s save her bacon.
End of the story.
Would you mind if i used a few pieces of footage from this video for a section of an upcoming review of a black five? Full credit will be given of course, and links to the video and your channel. Many thanks, Lewis
Hi Lewis: no problem, you have my permission and my best wishes for a successful outcome. Regards, Alan
At 8 minutes the Blacks are struggling and yet it looks FLAT
Hello Arnold and thank you for your question. Looks can be deceiving! If you look at the gradient profile here: paulsimpson.zenfolio.com/p895100848/h1e88489b#h1e88489b you will see that the gradient steepens to an incredible 1 in 40 at that location, hence all the photographers. The weight of the train was in excess of 750 tons until the diesel started to help just as the loco's got to the bridge, so it really was a struggle. Best regards, Alan
Possibly short of steam?
@@Steamclips I personally think the black 5s would have done it without the help off the diesel even better if it wasn't there at all plenty of power. By the way awesome video pal as per black fives are one of my favourite
13 coaches and a 37 by the looks some weight that
great long range shots.... really enjoyed seeing those sturdy Black 5's earn their living pounding up those long curving grades....…☁☁☁⁘⁙☁☁⁙..☁……Hᴜɢʜ….Lɪᴋᴇᴅ…..ツ
*Black 5s NO APOSTROPHE!!
You are right of course and I should have known better, correction made. Thank you for your input, I will now go and stand in the corner facing the wall! Regards, Alan
Nice view of the trees! LAME!
Hi, I'm a steam driver from Bulgaria. These engines are quite weak and completely unsuitable for such a load over such gradients. In my country there are many steep sections with gradients about 1:40 - 1: 35 - 1:30 (25 - 28 - 33‰) and there we never use Pacifics, which are designed for level lines. We pull trains like this one and even lighter on our mountainous lines with the powerful class 16 (2-10-0, adhesion weight 86t, tracting effort 235 kN), class 46 (2-12-4, adhesion weight 108t, tracting effort 380 kN) and class 03 (4-8-2, adhesion weight 69.2t, tracting effort 207 kN). So we never face need of help from diesels, electrics etc. rubbish. For more details contact me on skype - bdz.03.12Regards, Emil