We Objectively Tested Smoothness For 100+ Switches

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  • @SireEvalish
    @SireEvalish 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +162

    As an engineer, I’m continuously impressed with how far rtings is pushing objective testing for consumer products.
    Also shoutout to Anthony for loving the box jades. Easily my favorite clicky/tactile switch.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Thanks for watching and the kind words! At the end of the day, it's always about helping you as a consumer get the right and best info you need about a product!

    • @gabeh7655
      @gabeh7655 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pale blues > Jades ;)

  • @JiajuChen
    @JiajuChen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    I would strongly suggest also testing off center! Some switches are incredibly smooth straight up and down, but won‘t be as smooth when pressed off center. I know this is more of a stability problem rather than factory smooth test, but this definitely means something.

    • @meki___6881
      @meki___6881 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yea off center test is important reminds me about a video regarding the worst switches ever. some of them had a tendency to jam wen pressed of-center. in-case anyone is wondering pretty much all the first places were extremely old
      mitsumi miniature mechanical place 2

    • @AtaGunZ
      @AtaGunZ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yeah I was thinking about it as I heard about the test setup. Most "scratchy" feeling keys feel that way when pressing with some side force

    • @MaZEEZaM
      @MaZEEZaM 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AtaGunZ yes, exactly.

  • @anasevi9456
    @anasevi9456 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    what a great premise and i am very glad to see another big channel show there is a galaxy of switch types out there. I'm not too picky, I just like a distinct difference going from keyboard to keyboard; My work machine uses a Topre RGB with BKE domes, where as my game machine uses nice lite kailh box whites. The box jades annoying his coworker got a laugh from me; they are quite a bit louder.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thanks for watching! 😄 There really are a ton of different switches out there, so we aimed to try and make it easier for people to almost know what to expect of them out of the box!

  • @Kleiark
    @Kleiark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You should do more tests but with off center keypresses. Most linears feel exactly the same when testing straight on, give or take the spring and leaf properties. Off center presses are where you'll actually see switch materials and designs actually being stressed.
    Also if you want to make an ultimate test, you should also test the raw components and build a frankenswitch with objectively the best parts, and then use that as a reference.

  • @alexlowe2054
    @alexlowe2054 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    As a fellow Box Jade user, I appreciate Anthony. If he wants to be even more annoying, there exist the most amazing (and cursed) clicky switches in existence. The "Zeal Clickiez". They're at least twice as loud as the Jades, with a deeper more satisfying sound. If you want the best possible sound, remove any keyboard foam, and buy a larger, preferably metal, case to allow the sound to reverberate. The only disadvantage is that the "light" version requires as much force as the average "heavy" switch category.
    I'm glad someone is working on improving testing poorly understood components. You're doing great work!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Thank you! 😄 We'll let Anthony know about those switches and also apologize immediately to the rest of our coworkers 😂

    • @Antimonyish
      @Antimonyish 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where can one find these, I've been looking forward to them for years?

    • @radioactivehalfrhyme
      @radioactivehalfrhyme 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The peak force of Clickiez is relatively high, but the post-travel is low and flat. So to me at least, it still feels like a medium-weighted switch.

  • @tankfire20
    @tankfire20 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Everyday i thank god for RTINGS and their technical reviews. Otherwise id have to rely on gamer69 who reviews based on vibes (yuck).
    edit: on a serious note, thank you rtings, you helped me pick the right monitor for me and your keyboard reviews are goated with the technical testing.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very glad we were able to help you choose the right product you needed! 😄

  • @NightlyHigh
    @NightlyHigh 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    What an amazing video yet again from Rtings! Thanks! I'm actually thinking of buying a new keyboard, so this info comes handy, even though I'm not some kind of a keyboard wizard. One suggestion: Does the feel (or scratchiness in this case) of these switches change after longer period of use? If the plastics are rubbing on each other, I would assume, that would change the feel of the switch after loooong period of time, so something to think about setting up for fun to see in the future!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad to hear you enjoyed the video! 😄The feel will change the more you use them and break them in, though it can take a long time to get to that point as you mentioned!

  • @ameliabuns4058
    @ameliabuns4058 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    lol working at rtings sound like a very interesting job

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It is! Just keep your eyes peeled for what's going to be coming on this channel very soon 👀

  • @Lordazoid
    @Lordazoid 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    10 times more results than I have ever seen from LTT Labs. Good job

    • @penguinsushi8442
      @penguinsushi8442 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Facts

    • @WooferCooker
      @WooferCooker 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      LTT will always be an entertainment company, not a data analyst.

    • @dtemp132
      @dtemp132 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      More testing is better, I want both Rtings and LTT Labs to be excellent

    • @pandanutiypanda
      @pandanutiypanda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Data from LABs will always be tainted by Linus saying that couple of hundred dollars is not worth it for doing the testing properly, cant trust them anymore for numbers.

    • @zadamone
      @zadamone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@dtemp132 I hope LTT won't compete with Rtings, I like them both. Maybe a cooperation would make happier everyone. LTT mentioned Rtings positiveley in multiple videos. 😊

  • @1fareast14
    @1fareast14 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    more force curves available for obscure switches can only be a good thing

  • @GrandomamaBulletto
    @GrandomamaBulletto 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I really love that you put so much research in your reviews and document the results so well. Keep up the good work!

  • @bobsope4284
    @bobsope4284 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Best testing team/channel/website in existence right now. Keep it up RTINGS team!!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you so much for the kind words and for watching! 😄

  • @justho3350
    @justho3350 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Definitely would want to see housing tightness/ stem wobble in the future. Also potentially more of a sound analysis with various plate materials. Maybe frequency response?

  • @glebs.
    @glebs. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've had an acryl base like that and the switches weren't very secure in it. some were moving inside of the holes, some poped out by a millimetre. Though it will take more time, i recommend using solder to fix the switches in please and eliminate variables.

  • @ToppyTree
    @ToppyTree 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Shout out to my boy Galileo. We lost a real one in 1642

  • @thefrub
    @thefrub 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mechanical keyboard makers investing millions of dollars to replicate the feeling of a $10 membrane keyboard

  • @zadamone
    @zadamone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Good to see you Abby 😊 great presentation.

  • @ivovass195
    @ivovass195 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Yes. Objective data for the win. Great job detailing the results on the website

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much! 😄

  • @zadamone
    @zadamone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    An interesting note for testing: I would record how a human would press different switches and record that curve. And I think this pressing curve is different with different keys because of the different resistance, but maybe can be averaged for a more human aproach. I think in real life the keys are not pressed linear like the test machine. It would be an interesting experiment. 🙂 I really appreciate the value you make with these videos. I would really enjoy working on projects you do 😊

  • @siegekeebs
    @siegekeebs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job, factory lube makes such a a difference, great to remove subjective testing since so many people are wrong, especially without having a wealth of experience to compare with. Even with objective testing though, it's ultimately still the users subjective preference and experience that matters most when selecting a switch. more data is more better though! I wonder how my smoothness ratings compare with your objective measurements

  • @dzemorek7738
    @dzemorek7738 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    another very good job

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video 😄

  • @kwakeham
    @kwakeham 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When I was working on developing cycling shifter buttons for feel you needed a high actuation force.... but people connected loudness to click feel. Noise blocking headphones or ear muffs threw peoples rankings way off with the switches.

  • @LutraLovegood
    @LutraLovegood 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TIL Galileo was from Rtings! You learn new things every day.

  • @codeHusky
    @codeHusky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can you guys look into laptop keyboards? Some laptops have issues where if you don't press down on the keys correctly, such as on a corner or edge, you can feel the "snap" of the key actuating but it won't actually yield a keystroke. Notable examples would be the ASUS gaming notebooks. I have some video documenting this if you need an example of what I mean, but it should be easy to check for - just slowly apply pressure to the key at various spots and see if you can get the key past that actuation point without a keystroke happening.
    In my experience, the keyboards where this is very easy to do I experience higher error rate in my typing, more people report keycaps falling off (Cause of bad stabilization maybe?), and many of them tend to be gaming machines. Some of them even aren't (such as some of the Dell Latitudes I tested) but I don't have a good way to quantify this per machine. Seems like you guys have the equipment to better do this than I ever could/was able to. Thanks!

    • @JorenVaes
      @JorenVaes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The spacebar on my Surface Laptop has this and it drives me absolutly bonkerbecauseIonlyrealize too late and have to backspace a bunch....

  • @katzicael
    @katzicael 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm rocking some ink black v2 silent switches, lubed and filmed in a keychron V2, love how it sounds/feels.

  • @tek_lynx4225
    @tek_lynx4225 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why don't you test these mini switches against a full size cherry DX-44 mounted in a IL\Happ button for a unbiased neutral control. It's not a Keyboard button but if any mini button can even get close to a full size microswitch mounted to a 2in plunger with a large spring inside it, it means its a decent enough switch.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      While we catchup on the backlog of user questions from the holidays (our team was off), we're currently answering all questions via our website to ensure we don't miss any! www.rtings.com/forums

  • @banjogyro
    @banjogyro 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Headphone guys do keyboards now?

  • @grey4980
    @grey4980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    no WAY! I have been hoping you guys would start keyboard switch reviews! this is amazing, thank you!!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Our pleasure! 😄

  • @Antimonyish
    @Antimonyish 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Reason many went for the hearing test is because a switch may feel smooth but due to spring/contact rub sound scratchy. Early kalih switches had a lot of those issues, needless to say switches have come a long way since then.

  • @coughfee_beans
    @coughfee_beans 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lmfao, whoever wrote this script deserves an award. Great video as usual and Abby sure has the right personality to present!

  • @pandanutiypanda
    @pandanutiypanda 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh wow, did not expect to see switches review, always seemed to subjective of a thing. That's awesome that you can find a way to help people choose the best switch for them. Going on feel ranking from an individual is a decent strategy, but its really nice to see the actual numbers too.

  • @MaZEEZaM
    @MaZEEZaM 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Personally I prefer the quietest switches with the least amount of travel. I stopped using my new Logitech gaming keyboard as I hated the long switch travel time as it was delaying my relativeness. Btw I love the idea of Quickie-switches such as on Wooting's keyboards, I hope all keyboards take on this tech for all its keys but some gaming platform's, I think it was Uplay have started banning people if they detect its use as they see it as cheating. But we have always had technological variances where one user can gain advantage over the other based on the products they are able to purchase. I think its wrong to ban people especially as its likely to be a technology all the major brands will include in the near future.

  • @BeeWhere
    @BeeWhere 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love to see a spectacular methodology explained, even for something with such a high personal preference

  • @thoccnology
    @thoccnology 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been lurking around for a long time now. But here I can't contain myself and leave a comment.
    I'm constantly amazed at how accurately you perform testing - considering factors that really make a difference. Huge thank you for that! ❤
    Regarding switches, I'd advise everyone to try pre-lubed BSUN and HMX switches - they are far superior to the 'popular' brands like Cherry, Akko, etc.
    My favorites are BSUN Roselle, Bunny, Akashi, HMX Cloud, and if you're on a budget: the MZ Z1 switches. All these have been easily accessible recently - lucky us! :)

  • @FrickinBasilisk
    @FrickinBasilisk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for labs testing switches. I would suggest that you also document the known material and manufacturer of the switches alongside the force graphs and scratchiness measurements.

  • @1marcelfilms
    @1marcelfilms หลายเดือนก่อน

    I simply cannot get used to anything other than my old rubber dome keyboard that I have been using all my life.

  • @hssnnkim
    @hssnnkim 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is amazing! The market is niche so I'm so glad to see some objective measurements invested into it!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Cormy1
    @Cormy1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think adding the audio component was done a little early/hastily for this.
    A wider selection of switches should've been used to detect at what point the scratchiness factor enters into the noise level/floor of what is distinguishable for human perception, while having the test run in a quiet box that participants would reach into, so that they couldn't hear the switches but had to focus solely on the feel of them. This would additionally require a quiet room for the participants to control for exterior noise and vibrations impacting the testing.
    Then for the sound, participants shouldn't touch the switches at all but rather have a machine actuate them for consistent reproducible responses, and they should be listening at a set distance.
    I'm sure you have a weighting between the scratchy factor and audio one for the factory metric, and I think until you individually measure the perception graphs (think SPL A curve) of both, your compound score won't be accurate. It's not enough just to tweak it until it matches what the participants scored in this one test, particularly when noise floor thresholds are hit/involved. (when I say noise, I don't mean sound. I mean the point at which you can't discern from no stimulation/difference at all: the placebo point)
    I wanted to join rtings a few years back, I'm in the area, but covid really messed things up for me...

  • @Targetlockon
    @Targetlockon 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    didnt no rtings did key switch testing
    superb thank you for the results and testing!

  • @asdfkjahsdfkls1123
    @asdfkjahsdfkls1123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were these factory lubed switches? How sure are you that all these switches were "unlubed"? Factory lubed switches are way more inconsistent than if someone lubed them, and I'm surprised this wasn't highlighted in the video at all.
    Additionally, I understand you're trying to remove any bit of variance with the decision to not hand-lube switches, but that makes this experiment a little less meaningful since a majority of users do not use these switches straight out of the box. If you ever dedicate the crazy amount of time to hand lube these switches (good luck, lol), using the popular lubes associated with each switch would make this way more impactful.

  • @dhoffnun
    @dhoffnun 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In addition to off-center, I'd also strongly recommend using multiple pressing speeds to tease-out things like slip-stick.

  • @kocsis1david
    @kocsis1david 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I try a new keyboard, whether it's laptop or mechanical, I always press the keys on their side/corner to see if they are scratchy. Because when I type, I don't always press at the exact center.

  • @alyosharomanov
    @alyosharomanov 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You guys are awesome

  • @zerotwo_.002
    @zerotwo_.002 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gateron ink kangaroos spotted. They are wobbly but damn do i love them

  • @shonen84
    @shonen84 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loving the work and overview! Looks like you guys have a real knack for engineering projects and objective QA. In the consumer review space, this is truly industry-leading.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Appreciate the kind words! We do our best 💪

  • @theSato
    @theSato 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    RTINGS and Hardware Unboxed are the only sources I fully trust on this stuff. Trying to measure things with as much objectivity and hard data as possible really helps and the effort that goes into this is seriously appreciated. Hope I can pitch in more support in the future.

  • @dontomaso11
    @dontomaso11 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ?

  • @HazewinDog
    @HazewinDog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ooh keyboard switches are coming?! Love it! I really need more data so I can determine which ones I need to try next :D I'm currently using pre-lubed Gateron Silent Browns, as I fell in love with these while trying out more than a hundred keyboards in South Korea's main keyboard store. Data will definitely help me put my experience with switches into something more tangible. Cheers!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can already see some of the data we have on the 101 switches we tested! www.rtings.com/keyboard-switch

  • @marsrocket
    @marsrocket 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I missed it, but did you get data from the load cell with no switch underneath it? Is it perfectly smooth every time?

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Without any resistance the load cell records 0 with minimal noise. If would spike hard once it would touch the PCB and the machine would reverse.

  • @Frank-fh2qn
    @Frank-fh2qn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No boba u4t? This data is worthless.

  • @LP-mh6ri
    @LP-mh6ri 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I played around a bit trying different keyboards when I "discovered" mechanical switches. Came to the conclusion I have no preference. Guess my fingers are not refined enough to care. My turtle beach membrane keyboard I got from a bargain bin feels good enough to me even compared to the much more expensive cherry switch keyboard.
    But I found this video of people putting so much effort into putting a objective numerical data on the scratchiness of keyboard switches amusing.

  • @LatvianVideo
    @LatvianVideo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder how far the cheap outemu switches are from the cherry switches, currently typing on some outemu red switches and they arent too bad imo, but the WORST switches ive ever felt have to be the KRGD blue switches, truly awful feel and sound

  • @maxburmab7962
    @maxburmab7962 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    ¿

  • @michaelwyckoff7593
    @michaelwyckoff7593 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello Abby😊

  • @haydenflinner
    @haydenflinner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vouching for the off-center test here. Especially hitting LCTRL with a force vector that's not perpendicular to the key. I switched keyboards because of a difference in that, even though I couldn't tell the difference in normal up-down presses.

  • @FireStorm4056
    @FireStorm4056 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When people type, they don’t only apply axial loads to the switch (as your tester does). Humans apply lateral loads as well, and this can induce additional binding / scratchiness that manifests independently of the pure axial measurement.
    There are a number of different ways this could be incorporated into your testing, but going beyond pure “straight down” smoothness would be highly illuminating.

  • @devzozo
    @devzozo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I simply choose to live in a reality where scratchiness isn't real and is just made up by youtubers and redditors.

  • @AklemTech
    @AklemTech 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks like the actuation was removed from the force graph, correct? But that's the majority of the scratchyness I perceive and care about.

  • @djtomoy
    @djtomoy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you’re doing that force test too slowly, the result won’t reflect what a user would feel as they’ll be pressing the key much faster with their fingers.

  • @RobSomeone
    @RobSomeone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    RT doing God's work. The audio test alone will save purchases.

  • @shentobento1079
    @shentobento1079 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should try hmx switches. I think the hyacinth v2s are so smooth lube isn't necessary.

  • @espressoshot21
    @espressoshot21 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is amazing 👏

  • @Seeeaaan
    @Seeeaaan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Switches are subject to switch batch variance. Switches produced when the molds are new tend to be smoother and more consistent.

  • @vadnegru
    @vadnegru 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I see Abby, i click

  • @GingerRuss75
    @GingerRuss75 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, she's Abby!

  • @jmd1743
    @jmd1743 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope you do a version that tests & compares loudness.

  • @InconsistentManner
    @InconsistentManner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i started typing this before I have finished watching the video. I would want to know if the travel time between "home to actuation to bottom to reset to home" and their variant lengths of time between each switch could result in different noise levels or smoothness.
    You have a slide that shows actuation to reset, but obviously this video and its contents are about smoothness. And the video doesn't cover what i am describing.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Our other video that we did might help answer some of what you're asking! th-cam.com/video/uTz7RsPLkE8/w-d-xo.html

  • @fishsayhelo9872
    @fishsayhelo9872 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice

  • @Celsian
    @Celsian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wuque Studios WS Quartz, they sound incredible and feel great.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      These aren't apart of the 101 that we tested, but we'll have to believe you on this one! 😄 From watching other videos, they sound so nice!

  • @bwimtg
    @bwimtg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good video! great humour and info! but why do you keep running away in the intro?

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you! We're running from our responsibilities 🏃‍♀️

  • @CheapoPremio
    @CheapoPremio 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool content! I hope to see more of it.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We have lots more on the way on this channel, stay tuned! 👀

  • @PhantmZero
    @PhantmZero 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "objective". imagine trusting someone who is putting switches (oil kings) that not only have polished molds/polished rails and also come factory lubed at around the same level as switches (mx blacks) which have years old, worn out molds, are so scratchy stock that they are basically 95% of the switches that people send in to get diamond polished and broken in by specific services just to be at an acceptable level of scratch. not even the best batch of MX black is anywhere near as smooth as the average oil king.

  • @jantajov
    @jantajov 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stop running from the camera. It looks like you are running from me the viewer, and it makes me uncomfortable!

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️

    • @zadamone
      @zadamone 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You are just shy to admit, that you would watch more Abby 😅

  • @CheapBastard1988
    @CheapBastard1988 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I learned to type on an electronic typing machine. I don't care about smoothness, as long as it's very tactile and noisy.

    • @RTINGScomRD
      @RTINGScomRD  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fair enough! Everyone has their own tastes 😄