Also: the 2019 Nvidia shield TV was THE top dog with it's AI Upscaling. You should test this box as a reference - so we know if we still should use it or if TVs are better at upscaling now.
We notice a few of your comments and we appreciate the feedback! I made sure to pass this along to our R&D team to consider as we look on to expand on these sorts of topics!
@@reinulf656basically you want the tv that is the best at upscaling. Upscaling = turning bad image into good image. Expensive Sony TV’s do it best. So does Nvidia shield which is cheap and can be used with any tv
Nice. It would be interesting to benchmark the TVs on the upscaling against an Apple TV, nvidia shield or PC/hardware scaler… you’d hope they are better?
ShieldTV to my eyes is night/day better than my LG C1 internal upscaler. Problem is, it has a habit of causing frame pacing issues so I stopped using it as much.
@alexatkin does the LG C1 upscale automatically or is there a setting you're using? Just curious because I have that TV but I don't know if it's enabled.
Glad to see Spears and Munsil being used. They have a new disc with some good stuff on there. Also, this video feels very similar to a Dygma Labs video. Sam is looking fresh too.
I think a good combination of media player and TV make great upscaling partners. I have an nVidia shiled with an LG CS OLED and i was shocked how good DVD looked. I recently got some old movies that are only available on DVD, was blown away with PQ, so I have decided to acquire my other collectables on DVD, not dismissing the format due to the upscaling capabilities I have now. It is a blessing in disguise when understood properly.
This is great. I actually was watching DVDs on my CRT that I use for retro gaming and decided on a whim to throw one on my Sony x900h. I was shocked at how well it upscaled the image. In some ways it looks better than some streamed 1080 content. Less banding, less pixelation on movement and just smoother overall. Where it is hurt is text and with shots that are further away or background images. Overall it is very watchable though. I am glad you are covering this in more detail. Very informative.
You should provide different scores for 480p, 720p and 1080p. I for instance don't care about 480p - but want the best TV for upscaling my 1080p streaming content. A DVD collector would be mostly interested in 480p performance. And so on. Or are all TV equally good / bad with all resolutions?
The Sony should still perform the best from 1080p to 4K but I see where you’re coming from. You wanna know if the Hisense that costs 80% less can do the job just as well
Thanks RTings! I'd like to see ratings involving these Televison Panel Metrics added to your reviews 1) ability to change aspect ratio during playback of 1) dvd 2) blu ray 3) 4K BluRay 4) streaming content 5) OTA TV 2) Posturization/Color Banding in varying levels of content 1) 480p 2) 720p 3) 1080p 4) 4K 5) low bit rate (such as Netflix /Hulu) and the ability to minimize it. 3) Name Initial Firmware # ... & Retest and name Firmware # if major changes are made good or bad = ( Samsung gimping S95B after initial reviews were stellar ) 4) QUALITY OF CUSTOMER SERVICE WHEN PROBLEMS DO ARISE! YOU MIGHT NEED TO START A FORUM/QUESTION-ANSWER SECTION IN YOUR REVIEWS FOR THIS Thanks for all you do!!
Thank you for the great content as always! Shadow detail, black crush tests would be great, because blooming test may omit some of the shadow details. ABL test would also be great for OLEDs, and it should reflect the score. Burn-in as well should have a larger impact on the score, especially if there's no warranty from the maker. Some sort of "Creator's intent" custom test against reference monitors and checking how well TVs replicate BVM-HX3110 image would be awesome. Lot of enthusiasts (people who check TV reviews!!) want to go for a natural image, and the best way to test this on a TV would be to put a reference monitor next to it and compare IQ. Vincent at HDTV Test does this, and that is why I buy TVs based on his reviews, and always been very happy with what I've gotten. Rtings is a 2ndary site for me, used to be number one, but still provides good info generally. I very much like the burn-in test content, that is extremely valuable and made me not go for A95K and instead to X95K (for which you upgraded the review as well, albeit it should still score higher than C2 for example as the aggressive ABL and burn-in are at the very least as bad deficit as blooming is on X95K.)
Thats really cool, maybe it would be interesting if you mention your settings for the upscaling capabilities in your test, so we could copy them or have a direction which settings would be the best 🤔
Sweet I would love to see ya do tests LG tvs and compare the ips panel to the VA panel of the same model I believe that would be very beneficial to us that have the VA panel version thank you guys for everything you do it's really appreciated
Wow! Wonderful! Great plans for reviews! I would however still like to know how well the TVs do in the black crush test but of course the blooming test is important too. Starfield test is really a great way to see how well blooming control is. Fine details in dark scenes are important too. Thanks for all of your hard work!
Congrats for ure start in TH-cam 😃👍🏼🍻 About your upscaling tests: I think 480p is not up to date. More realistic are 720p 🤝🏼 480p is only necessary for really old non 16:9 Serials or Films. When streaming from Disney or so the older films or serials are already upscale! Also when u have older stuff on ure home server, they are already upscale when transcode. So there are really a small use case under 1% for that. When u rate on 480p the tv manufacture will improve Ai on there TVs that cost us more when buying this TVs. Going with 480p don’t show the real daily use case and are not representative in my opinion. 🙌🏼
When buying tv. Take a usb with sample videos of low res. And see on your chosen tvmodel options. Your eyes dont lie. Easy and precise for your own senses. My test back many years ago showed sharp Aquous was the best in store at upscaling. Dont buy. Tv without seeing it in person and checking the speed and res. And feature quality. Buying on reviews is a mistake you may regret.
Love to see that you guys are updating your tests. I currently have an 82" Q90R that has recently had a firmware update to add eARC, because it originally didn't have it, which I'll glad that did. Do you guys have the ability to revisit this and other 2019 models with this test?
Unfortunately, we don't have older models in house anymore, so we'd be limited with the number of models we could go back and revisit. But we do list a changelog under this review, and it includes a list of all the TVs we'll be updating to our newest test bench!
You could do a test for the best anti-reflective coating. Generally, most reviewers pay little attention to this topic. It's a pity because what's the point of me having super black if everything is visible in it like in a mirror. I know that the winner will be The Frame from Samsung, but it would be nice to see such a comparison of other manufacturers.
I enjoy these videos! Question: You gave the Samsung S95C a slightly better upscaling score than the LG C3. Yet, in the S95C review when comparing it to the LG C3 you wrote: "The LG does have better low-resolution upscaling, so it will do a better job with low-resolution content or streaming content at low bitrates." Am I missing something? Thanks!
The issue here is that they are on different test benches. This part of the reason why we strived to improve the test. In this case, they aren't comparable and the text isn't accurate. We'll do our best to fix this ASAP!
This can be such a complex issue for consumers. My Sony UltraHD/Bluray player upscales... And my Sony STR AZ1000ES receiver upscales.. And my Sony X90K TV upscales... Clearly they all aren't upscaling at the same time. If one of them upscales to 4K, then the rest downstream should not do any upscaling .. am I right? But which is the best at upscaling? Is it the TV? With its Bravia processor? They are all Sony so it may not make a difference. But I wonder...
Could it be possible to rate the upscalling performances of the nvidia shield with this same new method to see if we should use nvidia's upscalling or the TV's upscalling depending on the result? 🤔 I always wondered which was better at upscaling a source between my shield and my LG CX but without a side by side comparison it's hard to tell
I bought a TCL series 6 based on your review, it's an amazing television fo rthe price, but I also knew from your review that it didn't upscale 480p content well and it doesn't, but I can live with that flaw.
Will you be looking at Sharp now that they’re back under part Japanese (with part Taiwanese) ownership when they release models in your market? In Europe/UK use MediaTek/Mstar processors and I was surprised at how good VHS looked on them (I collect cult horror movies on VHS).
It isn’t something we have any immediate plans to start doing, but we’re open to buying and testing most products as long as they’re available for purchase in the US and there’s enough user interest!
I wonder though, if the 8k is producing as good as an image as the 4K then presumably it’s actually doing a much better job of upscaling as it’s creating 4 times as many new pixels. Or is it upscaling the same amount and assigning 4 pixels one value instead of 4 unique values?
Hello thank you for your videos and Tests... As gamers we need more understanding of HGIG and HDR calibration as it changes from a tv to anodher, adding a test of HGIG and DTM for games and recommandations at which value we must calibrate our consoles and TVs wil be a great thing since there are so many TV as Sony Models, TCL... still don't have HGIG so we are always wondreing how we should calibrate with tone mapping... thank you again and i hope we well see more details about those things in yours future tests...
Whats the best place to bombard LG with requests to update and improve their upscaling and heck motion clarity and judder all the way back to their 2000 CX tv! Is it Facebook, twitter, reddit, LG themselves or elsewhere?
Nice improvements but I hope more settings are being considered other than just sharpness. Example: Overscan. Some TVs don't have this option at all but this has a significant impact.
The Samsung portion is so true because when I used to work at Best Buy in home theater our Samsung rep used to complain that how was he supposed to upsell someone to higher model if all the sets looked the same lmao😂
All Samsungs use their in-house chip called Dnie (or whatever it’s called now), so it makes sense that they look identical. Other brands use MediaTek or Taiwanese chips. Sony adds its own chip to the MediaTek chip.
The LG upscaling switches between favouring blur and favouring sharpness based on content detection. From what I can see, static images or anything filmed on a quality lens/camera with minimal compression artifacts takes the blurry algorithm, while anything else alternates between the two. You can see it clearly switching if you set subtitles to grey text with black outline and watch mixed content - sometimes the subtitles will have ringing artifacts and sometimes not
I recently took back a TCL Q7 because of its issues with scaling. It looked great half of the time with cable TV. But it would aggressively smooth certain images until they looked like water paintings. Coming from a Sony 900f this was untolerable. I can't stand aggressive smoothing and macroblocking. I personally feel as if scaling differences are being understated and that reviewers overlook how important it is.
really depends on the content you watch. I haven't watched cable content in 15 years so the issue you have I don't. It's why every reviewer when asked what TV to recommend says the same thing "What is the primary content and source you are watching?"
It would be really helpful if you can do "low quality content smoothing test" and upscaling test on media boxes like shield and apple tv 4k and possible on windows. I want to buy a samsung tv that is much cheaper here, but am really hesitating due to how it displays lower quality content.
😂😂@keepitclassytech.......Just when LG catches up with X1 ultimate, Sony releases cognitive XR....LG is good in line comparisons but next to Sony, a debate arises.
@@Chris-xz1ii lg g3 scored 7.5 for upscaling/processing on rtings. That’s lower than hisense lol. Sony and samsung have better processing scores by a landslide, especially Sony. All you hear from lg fanboys every year is “lg processing caught up”. Been hearing this since the c8, yet it’s been proven that lg upscaling is lacking.
@@Jb0i4724hey didn't test it with upscaling and sharpness maxed out which significantly improves the upscaling. I was watching friends on Netflix the other day. The first season from around 1994 and it looks 720p.
There was some issues with our test. For example the Sony OLEDs were being overly penalized when looking at the screen directly. This means that our test was not aligned with normal content. We are not closing the door forever as there is a lot of impact in these near blacks/shadow details that are important to users. What it means is that we have much more to understand and master before we can design a test to properly test this. We also need to think how this is impactful in both SDR and HDR content.
Aren't the CPUs in Sony, and pretty much every TV brand other than LG and Samsung actually made by Mediatek? I remember hearing about that somewhere, and it being the reason why only LG and Samsung were capable of having more than two HDMI 2.1 ports(Which might still be the case, not sure), because they make their own CPUs, while Mediatek makes ones for everyone else. Though I guess the manufacturer's tuning also matters there for upscaling...
I am quite surprised by how well samsung q90c is upscaling a 1080p 120hz input from my 1080 ti to play black myth wukong. I am intrigued in a test upscaling games from 1080p on tv vs upscaling tech such as fsr and dlss.
If you have gray images static , you should be able to calculate mathematically the difference. How big is the each pixel error on color map. Gray images so calibration differences don't mess it.
Are you guys ever going to review projectors? I actually don't have any TV sets atm, since I gave one to my mom, and the other had an accident, lol. Currently I do have two Panasonic 1080p laser projectors, a Panasonic 720p laser projector, and an Epson 1080p UB lamp based projector. 😅
It isn’t something we have any immediate plans to do, but it’s something users have been asking about for a while. We’re definitely open to it, we just want to make sure we can do it in a good way first!
Samsung: It doesn't matter that there is no 8K content we have AI upscaling to make it look like 8K Reviews: It looks like 4K Me: * surprised Pikachu * TVs are only now getting fast enough to upscale to 4K as shown here so there's no way they can upscale to 8K because that would need 4x the processing power. Assuming TVs get 15% faster a year (which is a very generous guess) it would take TVs another decade to have enough performance 🤷♂️
Hi, any news on the QD-OLED monitors? If I recall correctly, the TVs started showing burn-in after 2 months and it's now been 3 months since you added the monitors.
Finally. A website that properly tests upscaling. Sony will benefit from this massively. They have far more detail in standard images. Id love to see a netflix test for example, because the bit rate in Netflix for example will verify greately so how does the upscaling benefit this for example?
Hey I just visited your page and i cant see newer tv models i recently brought lg qned88t and my tv has small screen bleeding problems, also i want to know is thier any way i can improve ai upscale ...
Hi your tests are amazing, great job :) . It would be nice to see Philips TV's in the tests, because I like the ambilight feature. But as far as I know Philips Tv's are not sold in Canada or USA -.-
I would love to see how built in up scaling compares to the up scaling done by something like the nvidia shield. Is the shield better at it or the TV processor? Do i get a lower end TV model with a shield or do I get a high end TV without a shield? (I already own a shield but have a low end 4k tv, always wondered this)
Do you guys have a test for small business across the country that require a large screen tv in a bright restaurant for sports. Need low reflective screen and fast response time for sports. Black level not really a concern and no movie watching.
Please do one on the LG OLEDs. I was shocked when I saw my roommate's C1, which is much more expensive and supposedly better than my parent's samsung ru7100, had worse upscaling on 1080p blu-rays. Please someone do a test to show how an LG OLED compares to a sony or samsung tv with good upscaling.
Hi there, When we test TVs in general, they are going to default to a 16:9 aspect ratio. If we you are referring to our upscaling test this is a little more complicated. We send a 720x480 resolution to the TV via windows PC and play a video on MPC-HC player (the idea is to mimic DVD playback here). Using the TVs scaling/aspect ratio settings we then make sure the desktop is filling the most screen space without excessive cropping or overscan. Within the player we set the aspect ratio to assume square pixels. This is because windows works in square pixels (1:1) so most video players are designed to rectify non square pixels so you can enjoy DVDs and similar content on your laptop/monitor. However, the DVD players do not for historical reasons and modern TVs do this to keep backwards compatibility. So, if we let the PC correct the pixels then the TV applies the same correction twice and the image will not be displayed properly.
Have you done any comparison on letting TV upscale vs AV receiver upscale? I have a LG C1 and a Denon AVR-X3700h and I keep going back and forth but can't decide. Your input and pro analysis would be much appreciated.
We understand where you're coming from for sure. Part of the limitation is that we current focus on the US market, where availability is an issue. It could be something we consider in the future as we expand our scope though!
We haven’t started testing this TV yet, so we can’t say. But you can track the status of the review/results here: www.rtings.com/discussions/zFYHLi_XQfFQ3rKb/review-updates-lg-qned80-2023
Whether you like Sony or don't...... upscaling beast of a TV brand. And this hasn't been mentioned once or twice but plenty of times be it Digital Trends, Stop The Fomo, B the Installer, keepitclassytech, tech with kg, AV forums, HDTV test even Quantum Tv (Sony's greatest critic).
PLEASE: What TV does the best upscaling in game mode from 720p hdmi signal. I'm catching up on modern classic PS3-era games. My LG C2 does absolutely no upscaling in game mode!
Hello and thanks for the question! The yacht image we use has been down-ressed to 480p, and we also set the PC resolution to 480p. This gives us the most accurate test results since both the content and the output resolution is in 480p. I hope that helps.
At some point this gets silly, people's eyes are only so good, especially the mostly older people who can afford these supposedly high-performance TVs. Great, I use a 4K TV to watch documentaries of WW2 shot in the 40s.
She's an excellent presenter. That burn-in video and this really changed the channel
lol simp
It's awesome you guys listen to feedback and to see you adapt and evolve!
Thank you! We really take what our users have to say seriously, we wouldn't even be here without you!
If only they could review a TV quicker than 3 months later. They added too much new stuff to the test benches causing reviews to be delayed.
They listen to Vincent roasting them and then they bow like cowards and change the scores around.
Also: the 2019 Nvidia shield TV was THE top dog with it's AI Upscaling. You should test this box as a reference - so we know if we still should use it or if TVs are better at upscaling now.
We notice a few of your comments and we appreciate the feedback! I made sure to pass this along to our R&D team to consider as we look on to expand on these sorts of topics!
I know nothing about this stuff 😅 but I'd watch a video about this!!
@@reinulf656basically you want the tv that is the best at upscaling. Upscaling = turning bad image into good image. Expensive Sony TV’s do it best. So does Nvidia shield which is cheap and can be used with any tv
Great stuff, keep up the incredible work! Abby is a very skilled presenter too!
Thank you, and we agree!
I bought the Sony A80J years ago and a big reason was for the upscaling. I own a lot of DVDs still and they look fantastic on the TV
Do you change the reality creation settings with DVDs? Or any other settings in the tv?
Me too because I watch lots of old content
I've had over 10 oleds and other high end lcds and the 80J is the best
Second was X950H then Q80T
LG worst
@@niktorifio I think I changed it to 1 but can't recall. Out of the box is better than most
Nice. It would be interesting to benchmark the TVs on the upscaling against an Apple TV, nvidia shield or PC/hardware scaler… you’d hope they are better?
Really good question!!
I don't know about the software but a PC can certainly have much more power to run that upscaler.
ShieldTV to my eyes is night/day better than my LG C1 internal upscaler. Problem is, it has a habit of causing frame pacing issues so I stopped using it as much.
@alexatkin does the LG C1 upscale automatically or is there a setting you're using? Just curious because I have that TV but I don't know if it's enabled.
@@frommatorav1 Yes it automatically upscales if the resolution the source is sending is not the native 4k
Thanks for this updated upscaling process. Currently browsing for a TV and Upscaling is high on my list.
Glad to see Spears and Munsil being used. They have a new disc with some good stuff on there. Also, this video feels very similar to a Dygma Labs video. Sam is looking fresh too.
Sam is always looking fresh 🔥
Best tv review channel there is, wish more did this type of thing.
This made me feel comfort in my recent purchase of an upper-class Sony TV thank you.
Me too i don't fear Sony Tax if i get what i pay for
Jaki tv?
I think a good combination of media player and TV make great upscaling partners.
I have an nVidia shiled with an LG CS OLED and i was shocked how good DVD looked.
I recently got some old movies that are only available on DVD, was blown away with PQ, so I have decided to acquire my other collectables on DVD, not dismissing the format due to the upscaling capabilities I have now.
It is a blessing in disguise when understood properly.
I love this new way of doing things and the "new" presenter . I hope to see more of her cause she comes across excellent. Good job and great channel.
This is great. I actually was watching DVDs on my CRT that I use for retro gaming and decided on a whim to throw one on my Sony x900h. I was shocked at how well it upscaled the image. In some ways it looks better than some streamed 1080 content. Less banding, less pixelation on movement and just smoother overall. Where it is hurt is text and with shots that are further away or background images. Overall it is very watchable though. I am glad you are covering this in more detail. Very informative.
You should provide different scores for 480p, 720p and 1080p. I for instance don't care about 480p - but want the best TV for upscaling my 1080p streaming content. A DVD collector would be mostly interested in 480p performance. And so on.
Or are all TV equally good / bad with all resolutions?
The Sony should still perform the best from 1080p to 4K but I see where you’re coming from. You wanna know if the Hisense that costs 80% less can do the job just as well
Thanks RTings!
I'd like to see ratings involving these Televison Panel Metrics added to your reviews
1) ability to change aspect ratio during playback of 1) dvd 2) blu ray 3) 4K BluRay 4) streaming content 5) OTA TV
2) Posturization/Color Banding in varying levels of content 1) 480p 2) 720p 3) 1080p 4) 4K 5) low bit rate (such as Netflix /Hulu)
and the ability to minimize it.
3) Name Initial Firmware # ... & Retest and name Firmware # if major changes are made good or bad =
( Samsung gimping S95B after initial reviews were stellar )
4) QUALITY OF CUSTOMER SERVICE WHEN PROBLEMS DO ARISE!
YOU MIGHT NEED TO START A FORUM/QUESTION-ANSWER SECTION IN YOUR REVIEWS FOR THIS
Thanks for all you do!!
Thank you for the great content as always!
Shadow detail, black crush tests would be great, because blooming test may omit some of the shadow details. ABL test would also be great for OLEDs, and it should reflect the score. Burn-in as well should have a larger impact on the score, especially if there's no warranty from the maker.
Some sort of "Creator's intent" custom test against reference monitors and checking how well TVs replicate BVM-HX3110 image would be awesome. Lot of enthusiasts (people who check TV reviews!!) want to go for a natural image, and the best way to test this on a TV would be to put a reference monitor next to it and compare IQ. Vincent at HDTV Test does this, and that is why I buy TVs based on his reviews, and always been very happy with what I've gotten.
Rtings is a 2ndary site for me, used to be number one, but still provides good info generally. I very much like the burn-in test content, that is extremely valuable and made me not go for A95K and instead to X95K (for which you upgraded the review as well, albeit it should still score higher than C2 for example as the aggressive ABL and burn-in are at the very least as bad deficit as blooming is on X95K.)
HERE HERE MadViking!! Agreed!
It's SOO important since most games come with black level raised.
Great job on the new testing method, and on your explanation. It was clear and engaging throughout!
Thank you, happy to hear that! 🎉
If you read everything then I'd like to say that you all do a phenomenal job
seeing the methodology is fascinating and the presentation is excellent!
Thank you for this comment! Super happy you enjoyed the video and seeing a bit into our methodology. Stay tuned for more in the future!
Love seeing the methodology here. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! It's a huge amount of work, but it's worth it in the end💪
Thank you for your great explanations and thank to Rtings team for responding to creat upscaling scores and new methodology to do it.
Thats really cool, maybe it would be interesting if you mention your settings for the upscaling capabilities in your test, so we could copy them or have a direction which settings would be the best 🤔
Sweet I would love to see ya do tests LG tvs and compare the ips panel to the VA panel of the same model I believe that would be very beneficial to us that have the VA panel version thank you guys for everything you do it's really appreciated
Great explanation video. Now I see why a bunch of previous gen Sony TVs got their rtings scores bumped up.
Wow! Wonderful! Great plans for reviews! I would however still like to know how well the TVs do in the black crush test but of course the blooming test is important too. Starfield test is really a great way to see how well blooming control is. Fine details in dark scenes are important too. Thanks for all of your hard work!
Congrats for ure start in TH-cam 😃👍🏼🍻
About your upscaling tests: I think 480p is not up to date. More realistic are 720p 🤝🏼 480p is only necessary for really old non 16:9 Serials or Films. When streaming from Disney or so the older films or serials are already upscale! Also when u have older stuff on ure home server, they are already upscale when transcode. So there are really a small use case under 1% for that. When u rate on 480p the tv manufacture will improve Ai on there TVs that cost us more when buying this TVs. Going with 480p don’t show the real daily use case and are not representative in my opinion. 🙌🏼
Awesome presenter.... I do not miss any of your reviews.
When buying tv. Take a usb with sample videos of low res. And see on your chosen tvmodel options. Your eyes dont lie. Easy and precise for your own senses. My test back many years ago showed sharp Aquous was the best in store at upscaling. Dont buy. Tv without seeing it in person and checking the speed and res. And feature quality. Buying on reviews is a mistake you may regret.
Is that Plouffe around 0:38? Great new developments from RTINGS!
At last! Upscaling is crucial for film enthusiasts & people who like to watch older movies.
Love to see that you guys are updating your tests. I currently have an 82" Q90R that has recently had a firmware update to add eARC, because it originally didn't have it, which I'll glad that did. Do you guys have the ability to revisit this and other 2019 models with this test?
Unfortunately, we don't have older models in house anymore, so we'd be limited with the number of models we could go back and revisit. But we do list a changelog under this review, and it includes a list of all the TVs we'll be updating to our newest test bench!
Its All Good. Thanks.
Love these methodology update videos!
Glad you liked it! There will be more coming, so stay tuned!
Great job and thanks for helping me out! 😎👍
Well without a doubt now Sony TVs have the best upscaling. This test doesn't even include Reality Creation which honestly works amazing.
Agreed they need to give this some thought
This is so helpful. I cant understand why tv specs dont describe the upscaling factor on their TVs.
To me its the most important factor.
This is just massive amount of effort!
You could do a test for the best anti-reflective coating. Generally, most reviewers pay little attention to this topic. It's a pity because what's the point of me having super black if everything is visible in it like in a mirror. I know that the winner will be The Frame from Samsung, but it would be nice to see such a comparison of other manufacturers.
I enjoy these videos!
Question: You gave the Samsung S95C a slightly better upscaling score than the LG C3. Yet, in the S95C review when comparing it to the LG C3 you wrote: "The LG does have better low-resolution upscaling, so it will do a better job with low-resolution content or streaming content at low bitrates."
Am I missing something?
Thanks!
The issue here is that they are on different test benches. This part of the reason why we strived to improve the test. In this case, they aren't comparable and the text isn't accurate. We'll do our best to fix this ASAP!
This can be such a complex issue for consumers. My Sony UltraHD/Bluray player upscales... And my Sony STR AZ1000ES receiver upscales.. And my Sony X90K TV upscales... Clearly they all aren't upscaling at the same time. If one of them upscales to 4K, then the rest downstream should not do any upscaling .. am I right? But which is the best at upscaling? Is it the TV? With its Bravia processor? They are all Sony so it may not make a difference. But I wonder...
I LOVE upscaling of 480p content that TCL 6 series does!!!!
FINNALY A GOOD BENCHMARK FOR TVS!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS........
Being able to filter by 4k without chroma subsampling on your website is greatly appreciated!
great content as always. this is very much overlooked, whats the purpose of a large TV if you have poor upscaling, need a secondary unit for that then
Could it be possible to rate the upscalling performances of the nvidia shield with this same new method to see if we should use nvidia's upscalling or the TV's upscalling depending on the result? 🤔
I always wondered which was better at upscaling a source between my shield and my LG CX but without a side by side comparison it's hard to tell
It’s definitely something our R&D team will consider moving forward! Thanks for the feedback/question!
@@RTINGScomRD awesome! I'll keep an eye here then :p
I bought a TCL series 6 based on your review, it's an amazing television fo rthe price, but I also knew from your review that it didn't upscale 480p content well and it doesn't, but I can live with that flaw.
That's great! Our whole motto is to help you find the best product for what YOU need. Glad to hear you're enjoying that TV! 😄
Ya'll have a really cool business model. Which units in your testing are using an NPU for image upscaling?
Will you be looking at Sharp now that they’re back under part Japanese (with part Taiwanese) ownership when they release models in your market?
In Europe/UK use MediaTek/Mstar processors and I was surprised at how good VHS looked on them (I collect cult horror movies on VHS).
It isn’t something we have any immediate plans to start doing, but we’re open to buying and testing most products as long as they’re available for purchase in the US and there’s enough user interest!
I wonder though, if the 8k is producing as good as an image as the 4K then presumably it’s actually doing a much better job of upscaling as it’s creating 4 times as many new pixels. Or is it upscaling the same amount and assigning 4 pixels one value instead of 4 unique values?
Hello thank you for your videos and Tests... As gamers we need more understanding of HGIG and HDR calibration as it changes from a tv to anodher, adding a test of HGIG and DTM for games and recommandations at which value we must calibrate our consoles and TVs wil be a great thing since there are so many TV as Sony Models, TCL... still don't have HGIG so we are always wondreing how we should calibrate with tone mapping... thank you again and i hope we well see more details about those things in yours future tests...
Thanks for sharing, we’ll pass this along to the rest of the R&D team for additional consideration!
Whats the best place to bombard LG with requests to update and improve their upscaling and heck motion clarity and judder all the way back to their 2000 CX tv! Is it Facebook, twitter, reddit, LG themselves or elsewhere?
Nice improvements but I hope more settings are being considered other than just sharpness. Example: Overscan. Some TVs don't have this option at all but this has a significant impact.
Nice to see a category that will suit to Sony tvs
Great content! Loving the videos
The Samsung portion is so true because when I used to work at Best Buy in home theater our Samsung rep used to complain that how was he supposed to upsell someone to higher model if all the sets looked the same lmao😂
All Samsungs use their in-house chip called Dnie (or whatever it’s called now), so it makes sense that they look identical. Other brands use MediaTek or Taiwanese chips. Sony adds its own chip to the MediaTek chip.
Awesome! I commented about that when subscribing to the premium tier.
The LG upscaling switches between favouring blur and favouring sharpness based on content detection. From what I can see, static images or anything filmed on a quality lens/camera with minimal compression artifacts takes the blurry algorithm, while anything else alternates between the two. You can see it clearly switching if you set subtitles to grey text with black outline and watch mixed content - sometimes the subtitles will have ringing artifacts and sometimes not
There is also a 3rd algorithm for RGB input in PC mode which is much more simplistic and behaves like a monitor scaler
Most informative, thanks
Sony is top of the class once again!
How does the quality of internal TV upscales compare to the ML based upscaling found in Nvidia shield, or Nvidia graphics cards?
In terms of upscalling please can you tell me which one is better between X85L or QN85C?
I recently took back a TCL Q7 because of its issues with scaling. It looked great half of the time with cable TV. But it would aggressively smooth certain images until they looked like water paintings. Coming from a Sony 900f this was untolerable. I can't stand aggressive smoothing and macroblocking. I personally feel as if scaling differences are being understated and that reviewers overlook how important it is.
really depends on the content you watch. I haven't watched cable content in 15 years so the issue you have I don't. It's why every reviewer when asked what TV to recommend says the same thing "What is the primary content and source you are watching?"
It would be really helpful if you can do "low quality content smoothing test" and upscaling test on media boxes like shield and apple tv 4k and possible on windows. I want to buy a samsung tv that is much cheaper here, but am really hesitating due to how it displays lower quality content.
Great study! By any chance, do you have any Intel for the Samsung QN90C?
I thought lg processing “caught up” this year. Oh wait. I heard that last year too 😂🤣
😂😂@keepitclassytech.......Just when LG catches up with X1 ultimate, Sony releases cognitive XR....LG is good in line comparisons but next to Sony, a debate arises.
@@Chris-xz1ii lg g3 scored 7.5 for upscaling/processing on rtings. That’s lower than hisense lol. Sony and samsung have better processing scores by a landslide, especially Sony. All you hear from lg fanboys every year is “lg processing caught up”. Been hearing this since the c8, yet it’s been proven that lg upscaling is lacking.
@@Jb0i4724hey didn't test it with upscaling and sharpness maxed out which significantly improves the upscaling. I was watching friends on Netflix the other day. The first season from around 1994 and it looks 720p.
Not having a black crush test seems to favor OLED as that is one of the few tests it can have issues and it will score high on the blooming.
There was some issues with our test. For example the Sony OLEDs were being overly penalized when looking at the screen directly. This means that our test was not aligned with normal content. We are not closing the door forever as there is a lot of impact in these near blacks/shadow details that are important to users. What it means is that we have much more to understand and master before we can design a test to properly test this. We also need to think how this is impactful in both SDR and HDR content.
@@RTINGScomRD I appreciate the reply and the transparency.
Ha ha some tv shows downscale from 720p to 480 . That's crazy.
Aren't the CPUs in Sony, and pretty much every TV brand other than LG and Samsung actually made by Mediatek? I remember hearing about that somewhere, and it being the reason why only LG and Samsung were capable of having more than two HDMI 2.1 ports(Which might still be the case, not sure), because they make their own CPUs, while Mediatek makes ones for everyone else. Though I guess the manufacturer's tuning also matters there for upscaling...
She did great. New follower here and she did hreat on this video.
About damn time !!!!
I am quite surprised by how well samsung q90c is upscaling a 1080p 120hz input from my 1080 ti to play black myth wukong. I am intrigued in a test upscaling games from 1080p on tv vs upscaling tech such as fsr and dlss.
If you have gray images static , you should be able to calculate mathematically the difference. How big is the each pixel error on color map. Gray images so calibration differences don't mess it.
Thanks for sharing, we’ll pass this along to the rest of the R&D team for additional consideration!
Are you guys ever going to review projectors? I actually don't have any TV sets atm, since I gave one to my mom, and the other had an accident, lol. Currently I do have two Panasonic 1080p laser projectors, a Panasonic 720p laser projector, and an Epson 1080p UB lamp based projector. 😅
It isn’t something we have any immediate plans to do, but it’s something users have been asking about for a while. We’re definitely open to it, we just want to make sure we can do it in a good way first!
this is helpful but what should I really expect when I stream Monk from Netflix on 65" or larger TV ?
Samsung: It doesn't matter that there is no 8K content we have AI upscaling to make it look like 8K
Reviews: It looks like 4K
Me: * surprised Pikachu *
TVs are only now getting fast enough to upscale to 4K as shown here so there's no way they can upscale to 8K because that would need 4x the processing power. Assuming TVs get 15% faster a year (which is a very generous guess) it would take TVs another decade to have enough performance 🤷♂️
Hi, any news on the QD-OLED monitors? If I recall correctly, the TVs started showing burn-in after 2 months and it's now been 3 months since you added the monitors.
www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-burn-in-test-updates-and-results any updates we have at the moment can be found in this article!
@@RTINGScomRD Thanks. Looks like there is some burn-in after ~1100 hours. I'm looking forward to see if the panel refresh at 1500 hours fixes it.
Finally. A website that properly tests upscaling. Sony will benefit from this massively. They have far more detail in standard images. Id love to see a netflix test for example, because the bit rate in Netflix for example will verify greately so how does the upscaling benefit this for example?
Hey I just visited your page and i cant see newer tv models i recently brought lg qned88t and my tv has small screen bleeding problems, also i want to know is thier any way i can improve ai upscale ...
Hi your tests are amazing, great job :) . It would be nice to see Philips TV's in the tests, because I like the ambilight feature. But as far as I know Philips Tv's are not sold in Canada or USA -.-
I would love to see how built in up scaling compares to the up scaling done by something like the nvidia shield. Is the shield better at it or the TV processor? Do i get a lower end TV model with a shield or do I get a high end TV without a shield? (I already own a shield but have a low end 4k tv, always wondered this)
Do you guys have a test for small business across the country that require a large screen tv in a bright restaurant for sports. Need low reflective screen and fast response time for sports. Black level not really a concern and no movie watching.
Please do one on the LG OLEDs. I was shocked when I saw my roommate's C1, which is much more expensive and supposedly better than my parent's samsung ru7100, had worse upscaling on 1080p blu-rays. Please someone do a test to show how an LG OLED compares to a sony or samsung tv with good upscaling.
Question how are the lg oleds c3 compared to the c2
Abby you’re a fun host, but we all gotta say “shoutout to Adam”! 😁
Watching this video in 144p thanks for reviewing
Question, whren you test TVs, do you set the screen ratio at 16:9 or 1:1 or dot by dot, something like that, 16:9 crops some image.
Hi there,
When we test TVs in general, they are going to default to a 16:9 aspect ratio.
If we you are referring to our upscaling test this is a little more complicated. We send a 720x480 resolution to the TV via windows PC and play a video on MPC-HC player (the idea is to mimic DVD playback here). Using the TVs scaling/aspect ratio settings we then make sure the desktop is filling the most screen space without excessive cropping or overscan.
Within the player we set the aspect ratio to assume square pixels. This is because windows works in square pixels (1:1) so most video players are designed to rectify non square pixels so you can enjoy DVDs and similar content on your laptop/monitor. However, the DVD players do not for historical reasons and modern TVs do this to keep backwards compatibility. So, if we let the PC correct the pixels then the TV applies the same correction twice and the image will not be displayed properly.
Have you done any comparison on letting TV upscale vs AV receiver upscale? I have a LG C1 and a Denon AVR-X3700h and I keep going back and forth but can't decide. Your input and pro analysis would be much appreciated.
I always assumed that a television and a receiver worked in tandem, producing an even better upscaling experience. Is that incorrect?
Thanks for your hard work! It would be cool if u list Philips tv too.
We understand where you're coming from for sure. Part of the limitation is that we current focus on the US market, where availability is an issue. It could be something we consider in the future as we expand our scope though!
How is the upscaling of the LG QNED80, 2023 model, which claims to have a super upscaling with the new gen 6 processor?
We haven’t started testing this TV yet, so we can’t say. But you can track the status of the review/results here: www.rtings.com/discussions/zFYHLi_XQfFQ3rKb/review-updates-lg-qned80-2023
Great work, but no Philips?
We focus primarily on the US market, and they arent widely available there. Sorry about that!
@@RTINGScomRD Hey,
So it would be an easy viewer expansion into the wide world 🙂.
I'm convinced that native 8K content and upscaled 4K content are virtually indistinguishable.
When are you testing X95L? Why does it take so long to review a new Sony A80L or X95L? I look forward to your reply. Thanks
No plans at the moment unfortunately. For more info, check out: www.rtings.com/discussions/i9xyfmBDHJsuF6aW/review-updates-sony-x95l
Now do a video explaining the low quality content smoothing benchmark.
You are life saver
Reminds me of my aunts 4k cheapass tv. the oversharpening was horrible and impossible to disable
Whether you like Sony or don't...... upscaling beast of a TV brand. And this hasn't been mentioned once or twice but plenty of times be it Digital Trends, Stop The Fomo, B the Installer, keepitclassytech, tech with kg, AV forums, HDTV test even Quantum Tv (Sony's greatest critic).
PLEASE: What TV does the best upscaling in game mode from 720p hdmi signal.
I'm catching up on modern classic PS3-era games. My LG C2 does absolutely no upscaling in game mode!
When testing upscaling, is the original 4K-yacht image- image resized to 480p by changing PC resolution? or software?
Hello and thanks for the question! The yacht image we use has been down-ressed to 480p, and we also set the PC resolution to 480p. This gives us the most accurate test results since both the content and the output resolution is in 480p. I hope that helps.
I'd like to see the Blackcrush entry added back in.
More detailed motion interpolation performance would be nice.
Noted, we appreciate the feedback. We always keep user feedback in mind when working on updates to our testing, so we’ll keep this in mind. Thank you!
At some point this gets silly, people's eyes are only so good, especially the mostly older people who can afford these supposedly high-performance TVs. Great, I use a 4K TV to watch documentaries of WW2 shot in the 40s.
need a test for how tvs upscale old video game consoles in 480p in 4:3 with the input lag 720p with the input lag. and if the 4:3 is displayed correct