8 Month Update! OLED Burn-in vs. Temporary Image Retention & Buggy Compensation Cycles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- It’s been over 8 months since we started running 100 TV models for an average of 18 hours a day to simulate 10 years of usage in just two years. We’re testing the reliability of TVs by running them to the limit.
In this video, we'll discuss the nature of OLED image retention and what automatic functions a TV has to mitigate it. We'll also explore how buggy implementation can aggravate image retention and discuss these findings' impact on our longevity test.
0:00 Intro
1:22 Updates On Our Test
5:51 Image Retention Overview
7:25 Compensation Cycles
9:20 Implementation on LG OLEDs
11:02 Implementation on Samsung OLEDs
12:50 Implementation on Sony OLEDs
15:47 Impacts To Our Test
17:36 Conclusion
For more updates on the longevity test, check out our website: www.rtings.com/tv/learn/longe...
Join our team: grnh.se/d8765e317us
Goals of our test:
- How long do modern TVs last?
- What are the main reasons for a modern TV to fail? (we will be doing a teardown of each failed TV to determine this)
- How do modern OLEDs like the CX, C1, C2, S95B and A95K compare in terms of burn-in?
Non-goal:
- Predict lifetime of any individual TV
List of TVs:
Amazon Fire TV 4-Series
Amazon Fire TV Omni Series
Hisense A6G
Hisense A6H
Hisense H8G
Hisense H9G
Hisense U6G
Hisense U6GR
Hisense U6H
Hisense U7G
Hisense U7H
Hisense U800GR 8k
Hisense U8G
Hisense U8H
Hisense U9DG
Insignia F50 QLED
LG A1 OLED
LG A2 OLED
LG B1 OLED
LG B2 OLED
LG BX OLED
LG C1 OLED
LG C2 OLED
LG CX OLED
LG G1 OLED
LG G2 OLED
LG NANO75 2021
LG NANO75 2022
LG NANO85 2020
LG NANO85 2021
LG NANO90 2021
LG NANO99 8k 2021
LG QNED80
LG QNED90
LG QNED99 8k
LG UP7000
LG UP8000
LG UQ8000
LG UQ9000
Samsung AU8000
Samsung Q60/Q60A QLED
Samsung Q60/Q60B QLED
Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED
Samsung Q70/Q70A QLED
Samsung Q70/Q70T QLED
Samsung Q80/Q80A QLED
Samsung Q90/Q90T QLED
Samsung Q900TS 8k QLED
Samsung QN800A 8k QLED
Samsung QN85A QLED
Samsung QN85B QLED
Samsung QN900A 8k QLED
Samsung QN90A QLED
Samsung QN90B QLED
Samsung QN95B QLED
Samsung S95B OLED
Samsung S95C
Samsung The Frame 2021
Samsung The Frame 2022 QLED
Samsung The Terrace
Samsung TU7000
Samsung TU8000
Sony A80J OLED
Sony A80K OLED
Sony A8H OLED
Sony A90J OLED
Sony A90K OLED
Sony A95K OLED
Sony X800H
Sony X80J
Sony X80K
Sony X85J
Sony X85K
Sony X900H
Sony X90J
Sony X90K
Sony X91J
Sony X950H
Sony X95J
Sony X95K
TCL 3 Series 2020
TCL 4 Series/S435 2020
TCL 4 Series/S446 2021
TCL 4 Series/S455 2022
TCL 5 Series/S535 2020 QLED
TCL 5 Series/S546 2021 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R635 2020 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R646 2021 QLED
TCL 6 Series/R648 2021 8k QLED
TCL R745 QLED
Toshiba C350 Fire TV 2021
Vizio D3 Series 2021
Vizio M Series Quantum X 2022
Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2021
Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2022
Vizio M7 Series Quantum 2021
Vizio OLED 2020
Vizio P Series Quantum 2020
Vizio P Series Quantum 2021
Vizio V Series 2022
Vizio V5 Series 2021
Monitors:
Dell Alienware AW3423DWF
Samsung Odyssey OLED G8/G85SB S34BG85
LG 27GR95QE-B - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
We've noticed that there might be some some confusion surrounding how some TVs have a manual setting while we say in the video that they don't. From what we've found, these cycles that _can_ be triggered manually from the TV settings (LG - Pixel refresher / Sony - Panel refresh / Samsung - Pixel refresh) are considered to be "long" compensation cycles. While some of them include voltage shift adjustment like we discuss in this video, their main purpose is to work on the EL Degradation (at least from what we understand so far!)
One last note: LG calls the long and short cycle the same thing and the feature is related to whatever the internal processor is and what cycle it's on. The only way to tell the difference if it's long or short is the duration. One menu will say 10 minutes and the other will say 1 hour!
It must to run actual garbage on your TVs right? The most BS news channels in the world cnn. I know this is not politics, but my god, I will vomit your whole yt channel. How sb can even watch a disgusting sht like this?
From physics V=IR. As oled pixel degrades, resistance "R" increases, hence Voltage "V" will have to increase by a proportional amount to maintain the same current "I."
correction, the new LG EX panels from 2022 only take 10 minutes to perform the full pixel refresh, older LG OLED panels took one hour. This is separate from panel compensation which occurs after four total hours.
Also, the automatic pixel refresh on older panels occurred every 2000 hours, on newer ex panels it occurs every 500 hours.
Your confusion about the menu is because of two panel types being in production in 2022. E.g. my 83" C2 is the older panel type so Pixel Refresh is 1 hour every 2000 hours.
Visit AVS Forum for more info.
I have 990 hours on lg c2 and have never seen it do a short compensation cycle. I've never heard a click or anything that ppl said to look for. I don't want to run a manual cycle since I heard it's not good to do often.
I was wondering because the information is all over the place with the different terms used by different companies
This is why RTings is the gold standard: hosting reliable data while owning up to mistakes. Bravo.
4 hours burn in test wasn't to your liking? lmao
They are exactly my dream reviewing site. I really hope they don't ever sell out.
Except this error impacted buying decisions of consumers across the world and misrepresented the products being tested. There also hasn’t been an update in 7 months, letting this incorrect info sit for an inappropriate amount of time.
Bet you guys are the only cnn audiance
@@callouu3601guess you weren’t paying attention to the video. The Sony OLEDs have already suffered permanent burn in. The Samsung OLEDs barely even run compensation cycles due to buggy software implementations and are also more prone to burn in than the LG OLEDs. So RTINGS conclusions from months ago were still accurate in the larger sense.
"We were wrong" in the first minute of the video? Major props on owning it. Wish certain other youtube channels would be as open about their mistakes.
A key part of what we do relies on transparency, we need to own up to our own statements if they're not totally true! Thanks for watching 🙂
@@Fuckit96 Leave Britney aloooooone!
@@Fuckit96you are the one who made it about linus
@@Davinmkseems some comments got deleted
Spreading incorrect information that would "hurt" (this time a brand), and just say "which we were wrong 😅", seems not fair to me.
Let's give a proper apology man 😂
RTings is doing God's work. I'm not aware of anyone else IN THE WORLD who is doing such comprehensive, long-term testing to help people figure out what they're actually getting when they pay for a modern TV. Great job, team!
check out also this guy... super pro @hdtvtest
So this finding is very interesting. It also explains why "burn-in" was so pronounced on those OLEDs that were used in airports that were running 24/7. They never had any compensation cycles at all.
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What a waste of Oled for airports…
@@FEGTTTSDH I'd imagine it was a cost issue, if the displays were mostly black they'd probably save on power.
@@DoubleMonoLR most OLEDs consume far more power than most LCDs though, even with the Pixel turning off thing....
This video just saved my OLED! I bought a 42" Sony A80K to be used as my PC and console gaming monitor. After only having the TV for 2 weeks and playing ~8 hours of Starfield a day, every day, with custom HDR settings and noticeable peak brightness, the Starfield HUD appeared to be permanently burnt in to my display. On any sort of grey background, the HUD was clearly visible. I figured this was permanent burn-in as the image retention showed 0 improvement and did not even slightly fade away in about 6 weeks since. I made sure to leave the TV off for 6+ hours every day as this should trigger the short compensation cycles, I ran multiple "Burn In Fix" videos on TH-cam for hours on end every few days, I made sure to watch/game varied content, and I even ran the Sony "Panel Refresh". Nothing improved the burn in at all.
I just tried the manual short compensation cycle highlighted near the end of the video, and now the image retention has COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. Not even a faint outline can be seen even on 1% grey scale backgrounds. Simply remarkable, THANK YOU RTINGS!
Though this all but proves that my TV has not run a single short compensation cycle since I first bought the TV in July. Any ideas why that is, and if there's anything I can do to fix it? If I have to manually trigger these compensation cycles every few days, so be it, but I would obviously prefer if the TV did this automatically like it is supposed to!
I cannot believe I just spent 20 minutes being entertained by a video about OLED burn-in. Bravo, Abbey!
I really respect RTINGS for including this. Gives me even more confidence in the testing
RTINGS is THE gold standard for monitors and tvs. Y'all are doing such a great job!
for N/America? maybe - rest of the world? nope...most of your products aren't the same as ours across the ditch (EU/Asia/Oceania/JP etc)
Mistakes and self inflicted mishaps are all part of epic quests such as this so I’m glad that they are included in the story. The journey is just as important as the destination. Well done!
You guys are doing amazing work, information we really need as customers.
Love the energetic presentation!
Thanks so much! Very happy to hear you enjoyed the video! 🙂
Shout out to y'all(RTINGS) for addressing a mistake y'all made during testing. Also, I agree with Abby, ALL of the big companies(Samsung, Sony and LG) need to be more transparent about how long their automatic pixel cleaning cycles run after powering off the TV instead of ballpark estimates. Also, if I'm paying over a $1000 on a TV, can you make it easier to show how to protect my investment cause going through all of those hoops on the Sony TV was ridiculous.
Great work, guys! I'm looking forward to see how well the new QD-OLED panel stack up.
Thank you! We're looking forward to seeing those results as well!
saying "guys" when there are literally a girl in the video........
@@sudd3660ugh get a life buddy
@@sudd3660”guys” is a gender neutral term.
@@sudd3660 it's just a way of saying, equivalent of "people". Check the cambridge dictionary result on "guys".
you can even say "guys" to a group of girls, it doesn't matter
it's what we call in french the "gender neutral masculine" so to speak
as let's not confuse language vs speak & intentions of the speaker
All I can say is, that I used a LG CX 48" OLED for about a year or 1500-2000 hours (I used it a lot per day for gaming and surfing).
And I currently use a C2 42", also about a year now for again gaming and surfing with about 1500-2000 hours now. In the meantime the LG CX is used as a TV in the livingroom now.
I use it for a long time before turning it off. The only burnin prevention method I use are the buildin ones like pixelshift and darkmodes. I didn't change my desktop or desktop-background in any way. Both OLEDs show no burnin or image retention.
Indeed. Fearmongering makes good headlines.
My C2 also has 3000H around and 0,0 burn in, and I don't even use the darkmode for surfing.
The only wallpaper rotate and blackscreen after 5min.
my CX 55" has 8000+ hours and 0 burn in
Do you watch anything with static images? I watch all the baseball. Lol. No gaming just static baseball graphics. About 180 games a year@@blood6548
The presenter is really cool and the tests are very much appreciated. Thank you for all your team's effort!
Actually she is very sarcastic and annoying as well as unprofessional.
@@steveludwig4200
> "Ackchyually your subjective opinion is wrong"
> proceeds to post their own subjective opinion as an aKsHUaL fact
get a grip, dude
@@MrArteez She is 100% sarcastic, annoying and unprofessional. You are 100% ignorant.
RTings is truly exceptional! The dedication and honesty you bring to your content are truly commendable. It's refreshing to see a channel like yours that prioritizes transparency and authenticity. Your commitment to delivering high-quality, informative, and genuine content sets a remarkable example for others in the TH-cam community. I wish more TH-cam channels would follow your lead and uphold the same level of integrity. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
I appreciate the time and effort you guys put into these tests. Thank you and keep up the good job.
Thanks for watching!
I like the tests. Liked the drama and a test of tv reliability and TV aging. Nobody else do these type of tests, you all are awesome.
The best objective testing in the west! We love to see a company owning up to past mistakes and continuing to push through and get to the root of an issue! Can’t wait for another update!
I absolutely LOVE RTINGS! the incredible work in your tests and the great presentation of the results. Thanks for sharing this information with the community (And I'm so happy to have gone with a LG C1, I have it for almost two years and still looks perfect
I think you can see the reflection on the screen warp at 10:57 as it heats up performing the pixel clean process. Amazing video as always, in depth, enjoyable, well researched, and well presented. Thanks RTINGS team!
Gotta be honest, I LOVE rtings. The fact that a resource like this exists and is still very accessible is truly astonishing.
A product review, critical thinking, and honesty tutorial all in one. RTINGS is answering the question - "How do you know what is true?". If only mainstream news operated the same way instead of chasing "balance". We should encourage our children to watch RTINGS to demonstrate this distinction.
thank you all for the huge effort.
The technical side is always outstanding with Rtings and Abby is doing a great job to entertain too, great work!
Really appreciate you guys! You are my #1 go to for seeing the quality of TV's on the market. You guys do an awesome job!!!
Glad to see my LG C1 is a great monitor replacement as it was built to be, very consistent performance with heavy usage and the panel being turned off every night from 10pm-1am ish , and only turned on the next day around 9am (most of the times at night after work), definitely didn't go wrong with the C1
Oh wow!! The TV'S failing before they could even complete the test is very interesting. Excellent job as always everyone!
Definitely troubling, especially since both were Sony.
Yes two Sony. Noticed that too 🫨
So much for Sony quality.
haha the second one broke while opening I believe! xD@@Marathonianbull
@@tomtube1012 they either assembled in eastern europe or mexico, there is little to no qc there, as long as it works it works, and they always use cheap capacitors on their psu's and motherboards
As I'm researching OLED TVs and planning to buy a high end one in the near future, I've found this test incredibly helpful and informative. Great job on the test, and an even better job on the videos.
This level of testing is brutal! You are awesome 🙌
The delivery of the "because it's dead now" line killed me @ 4:34. 😂
THIS is the information customers need. TV manufacturers treat their customers like idiots most of the time and don't give us the information we need to make an informed purchasing decision or properly maintain our tvs, but YOU do. That's why I referenced your reviews when I bought my last 2 tvs and will do so again in the future. Keep it up!
This is the best test ever.
And the presentation is very clear and fun to watch!
Keep up the good work 👍
It's always great when a testing group can own when they are wrong. That's really good. It's also good to know that these panels are more reliable than first thought. Great testing so far!
Really under-rated channel, thanks for the undying test!
If TV experts can’t figure out how to run the OLED pixel cleaner, because it’s buried in an obscure menu, then I don’t know how Sony expects a typical end user to be able to find it. LG definitely got this feature right because the pixel cleaner runs automatically on my LG C1.
Also, I really appreciate that RTINGS admitted to their mistake, if you even can call it that given that, given how buried this feature is on the Sony.
Well no because it's in a settings sub menu and it's in the operating instructions for the TV. Fml, thick.
It is not an "automatic" tool that run in background while tv is shut up more than X time? If so, let's say that for a "normal use" each time you go sleep or during the shift works it should be able to handle it by itself so the need to "find" the manual option on the settings should not be needed 😅
The typical end user ISN'T supposed to find (nor use) the feature, and neither are tech nerds, really -- if it runs properly on schedule there's no benefit to running it manually, so the only thing that truly matters IMO is that it handles it in a correct way automatically.
The problem with LGs implementation is that if you turn off the TV while fumbling over the remote, it could trigger.
Sony doesn't expect the user to find it. The option is in the retail mode. I think that is the mode the TV is supposed to be on in the store. I would never turn that on when experimenting, after a bad experience of not being about to turn off a demo mode on a 1980s TV.
I don’t really rely on your data anymore as I’m happy with most of my products but I’m continuing to be a member cause I love the devotion to honest data sharing.
Sharing the results of your tests are great because this is what people need to get help with setting up. I believe you present the information in a good way which should be enough for a consumer to get a picture of the situation. No pun intended. However, everyone should bear in mind that conclusions can be incorrect. The good thing is that you learn and also share the new one with us. Thanks and please keep this up!
They aren't upfront about such features because it would make it a lot harder to gaslight people into thinking that OLED burn in has been completely eleminated. It's wild how many people try to tell me that my own eyes haven't seen what they've seen. That only happened yesterday. OLED looks better, but there being an entire "panel care" menu makes my point in a dramatic way.
You guys are doing the lord's work
Keep it up! You're the best resource we have for testing OLEDs!
Owning your mistakes is priceless wish more people were like that! Big thumbs up RTINGS Group
Thank you for the new information! This is really great, and fascinating, hardware/software QA testing.
And personally ... you are not allowed to ever lose Abby! NEVER. Her joke 266 secs in is PRICELESS, had me LMAO. Love you, Abby.
Yes, long winded but a LOT of very important information. Well done. So far I think my choice of the LG C2 was good. I like what it can do with old SD content.
Great clear video, looking forward to the next one!
Thank you!! Glad to hear you enjoyed it, stay tuned for the next one!
I love the detail you go into with each test. ❤ Thank you for doing all the testing I would .
The only source I follow and trust for TV tests and reviews.
I bought an OLED in 2018 after claims from LG and reps at the retails store that burn in was "no longer a problem." After about 3.5 years of use I started noticing minor burn in but it quickly got much worse. Now it is so noticeable that it is too distracting and just like the OLED manufacturers wanted, I needed a new TV after 5 years. While doing research I noticed that the OLED marketing is the same, still claims that burn in used to be a problem but is no longer a problem. I will admit, it does appear that it is getting better (comparing the longevity tests on rtings between the older models and the newer ones) but is still not solved completely. Because of this, I decided to stay away from OLED and went with the TCL Q7 because it seemed to be the best bang for my buck. It is definitely not as good as an OLED for black levels, viewing angle and screen glare, but comparing the picture quality side by side I would say it is about 85% - 90% as good of a picture for about 1/3 of the price. Plus I don't have to worry about leaving a static image there accidently.
Sounds like what other technology manufacturers would say in their keynote speech, when trying to steer audience's focus away from OLED Which LG OLED model it was? I have the LG OLED C8 which has not shown any retention yet.
I have 55C7P. If you go to LGs page for that TV and read some of the more recent lower star review, you will notice that burn-in appears to be a fairly common complaint. I would imagine that the other technology manufacturers are bringing that up because burn in is still a problem. I think it is telling that burn in is not covered under warranties for their TVs. I see that some of their gaming monitors do cover it under warranty for two years which gives me hope that progress is being made, but this could be because monitors are usually more expensive than tvs and they have a higher profit margin to cover replacing the panel if it burns in after only two years. Also I didn't notice burn in until after 3 years of use, so until OLED manufacturers cover burn in for 5 years to back up their claims, I am staying far away.
I’ve been looking forward to your follow-up. Thanks for sharing the great work you do! This is really useful information.
This video showed me that quality and long term reliability is 1000% LG at the top. They had zero issues with a tv dying AND they’re compensation and pixel cleaning ACTUALLY WORKS LIKE IT SHOULD. Shocker. So I’ll be buying the LG B3 77” Black Friday 😊😊
Thanks for the update! Compensation cycles make me want an OLED even less. I leave my LCD on for many more hours than that during the day and night. But it's interesting to see which TVs fair better over the many months.
I have been using the 65 inch S95B for a year now for gaming and tv/Movies and so far its been spectacular and has no sign of image retention or burn in. Im very careful with static images always gaming with no HUD if possible or transparency which i prefer for the emersion aspect but at least so far its been fantastic and still looks good as new. I will say though my S95b is not used anywhere near as much as a monitor would be as during the week both me and my partner work so it gets a lot of hours per week unused which I imagine also helps a great deal. After 4 hours of use you hear a second click after going on standby where the compensation cycle starts so its clear its running correctly.
The best test, review and methodology in the history of the TV! Thank you shiny Canadians for being the heroes us OLED-users need! PS: My C1 does its thing often, turning TV off does not trigger the "click" sound since it compensates and after a few minutes the click happens. No issues at all. My old B2 (from 2018 lineup) is 800% burnt in after my parents got it and never turned it off during a certain war event occuring early in 2022. News-frames, logo and entire center of the TV blooming outward in faulty colors and permanent burn in. RIP early OLED generations, they didn't have these functions and also a much too high brightness level. (the old B2 is brighter than my C1 but it's also completely ruined, C1 won't be in 4 more years.)
Thanks for keeping us posted, this is a fascinating subject!
Great commentator, a pleasure to listen to, even with so much data and complex technical operations. Give this woman a raise!
AWESOME!!! One thing that is disturbing about OLED TVs .. is all this complexity. Premium TVs should not have these kinds of headaches. Sony is having lots of problems with their OLED TVs, I hope they are paying attention and take some action. LG seems to be doing a good job on image retention, but whole columns of faulty pixels isn't reassuring. And there was no updated on the LED TVs in the test this time. Does that mean no news .. is good news? Or, there wasn't enough tine to get to them?
We're aiming to try and clear up some of that complexity with these videos! We had a lot to say for OLEDs so it was partially a time thing, but stay tuned for future videos including LED news!
Nice for taking one for the team
ngl I wasn't sure how useful this would be, but this was actually really detailed and helpful. Thank you for putting in the effort to track and relay all this info. Getting a monitor instead of a TV and I'm leaning towards LG, but regardless, I'll be checking manuals for these types of features to make sure I have a way to perform proper maintenance. Looking forward to seeing more content.
As i said in the earlier video.. Doing God's work.. As someone who is about to buy his first OLED, all this analysis is great to see.
Thank you! Glad to hear you found the information in here helpful 🙂
These updates are brilliant. On a personal level I would love to see more alienware aw3424dw/f / monitor updates. Still enjoying my alienware aw3424dwf and use the image clear up when prompted
Yeah, my dw (not f) monitor died on me after 6 months so I got a replacement monitor. New one had newer firmware and have worked better but not flawlessly. I love the monitor but im not sure I can trust it 100%.
Amazing work. Eager to see the next round of results comparing the S95C and G3.
Putting off my purchase until I know where I'm going to get best and most reliability.
Thank you for the transparency.
You are doing an amazing work !
keep doing your thing, your reviews are great!
Thank you!
Oh my gosh, Abby is so delightful! She brings so much fun to something that could be a deathly dry subject. Please give her a raise!
Thanks for the update. Your hard work is greatly appreciated
This is amazing. So in-depth tests. You even discovered many different mechanisms of image retention. It would be nice, to put them in one short video, when you finish will all the findings since no manufacturer has them listed!
Because as you have found out, not all image retention is related to permanent burn-in and if compensation cycles would be easier to run, then there would be much better OLED experience for all :)
My LG OLED C1 (which the chart at 09:15 says C1 doesn't have manual cycle option) has a "Pixel Cleaning" function under "Support" - "OLED Care" instead of "General" - "OLED Care".
However, the help text says this is a 1-hour cycle, instead of the 10-minute cycle mentioned in this video at 10:53. It also mentions there maybe a white line appearing on screen during the process.
So, is this a "long cycle" different from what's mentioned in this video?
I'd like to know too. Currently experiencing burn in or maybe it's screen retention from playing BF2042. I can see a shadow of the primary weapon bow and health bar on blue screens.
LG continues to show time and time again that they are the best to make OLED TV's with good burn in prevention algorithms, failsafes and good intervals of compensation cycles for image retention.
They might not have the best TV's for movies because Sony TV's have better image processing in general and Sony&Samsung use QD-OLED panels which have better colors and higher brightness than most WRGB OLED's from LG (LG G3 are the exception), but because of how good they hold up in your tests, I would still go with LG.
Its because of these tests that I stay clear currently of QD-oled. I really like sony, but im not going to pay all that money for an increased risk of burn-in.
If the increased QD burn in wasn't there, id buy the sony a95L
Thank you for doing the science!
I think this will bring consumer awareness up a whole lot. And since you're exploring quirks of so many brand and models, for so long, and following up on things that don't seem right or need more explanation, you're capturing the edge cases that confuse people the most. And even getting manufacturers to have to provide answers for this stuff -- maybe internally they'll have their managers, customer support, and/or marketing departments talk to their engineers more and potentially improve the pain points or edge cases of their products, and/or market and support them better with accurate info, since someone is out there actually checking them on it in a reputable way.
Also thanks to the people out on forums providing anecdotes, but this is a whole lot better! Together, a much clearer picture is emerging on OLED screens. (Badum tss!)
Great job and testing. Love getting useful information like this on new products. Very good presentation Abby. Great video overall, very entertaining for a nerd like me.
When I got to the Panel care settings on my S95B I can clearly see pixel refresh and it gives me a option to start now. Then the screen turns off and a cycle starts.
Isn't that the full cycle though, you shouldn't be running the full 1 regularly as it degrades the picture, you want the mini refresh.
I waited until prompted by my S95b last night to run a pixel refresh. I've had it 11.5 months with an average if 6 hours per day of mixed usage.I've just just run some HDR10+ content, and it looks tremendous. I'm convinced the picture performance is even better than when it was new.
My LG C2 OLED has a permanent TH-cam and a permanent Fox Sports logo burnt into the screen and no amount of screen refresh will get rid of it. I only watch Fox Sports for a few hours every few weeks when the formula one is on. I only really notice it when certain colours are displayed on the screen like white or yellow.
Super nice work you are doing here. I am using a LG C2 since 2022.12.20. and I am very happy. I use it as a PC monitor so far and I have a lot of static images because the majority I dont even game on it so its more desktop and some videos like YT but not in full frame.
OUTSTANDING update…information packed!
GOATED channel, GOATED host, GOATED research
🐐 Thank you!
LG still holding up the best in the test as they should for being the longest doing this 10 years so my trust goes with LG
my lg cx has image retention
My LG cx has none. And i used it brutally for 2 years. Constant 6 - 10 hours of playing or watching in hdr. Edit: my tv is calibreted to 100 nits in sdr with calman tho. So it must be a factor too
How did you come to the conclusion lg is holding up the best ??
From what I heard the lg g2 has pretty bad burn in compared to others
he is referring here to the lowest compensation cycle around 4hr other brands it is high@@beetleburper9440
@@beetleburper9440 They improved some things in the c3 and G3, those would be more ideal, just make sure to buy a store warranty for OLEDs is usually my suggestion
So that's why my A90J will randomly make a click like it's turning back on right after I turn it off sometimes. The LG C2 I use at my desk just periodically asks if I want to run the refresher thing when I go to turn it off. Feels like the LG implementation is more user friendly from my personal experience. Thanks for all the great work on these longevity tests! Also, for anyone curious, I've been using the C2 as my computer monitor since March putting in about 10 hours a day of mixed use. I use a screen saver with black background for when I have to step away from my desk for a brief period, and I use the screen off function if I'm going to be away for longer. So far, I'm happy to report no noticeable burn-in. And I'm naughty and sometimes skip the refresher when it asks for it.
This is very good and reliable information. They even admit their prior mistakes and correct them accordingly.
Personal experience of OLED means I won't be having another one. I'm on my third panel (for the same TV). Yes, it's an LG B7, and yes I am sure this generation was more prone to burn in - but once bitten, twice shy.
I spent, at the time 1500GBP, and it's been far from a premium experience.
@@gamenerd5665 Funny, when I bought my C7 they said the same thing. They said it was just the old OLEDs that had a problem, you don't have to worry about it with these new models. Every year it is the same story. Sorry but not falling for it a second time. OLED tech is not built to last and no amount of pixel shifting or refresh cycles will change that, it will only make it last a little longer.
Sony has another function, called Panel Refresh, directed towards image retention. It is present on my 55A80J and can be found in settings -> display & sound -> expert panel settings -> panel refresh
This function however is meant to be run manually once a year or less according to the description on the TV and it takes about an hour to complete.
In this scenario you don't lose any settings and you don't need all the hacks of unplugging it and everything else :)
That just triggers the long refresh cycle, right? That doesn't affect problems on the TFT layer, as demonstrated by rtings here. If you were to trigger it while having temporary image retention, this long refresh cycle would just try to fix a (nonexistent) problem on the OLED layer. As you don't have a way of forcing a short cycle, rtings recommended the tedious method in the video.
That's the long cycle, which is supposed to mitigate burn-in, not clear image retention.
Excellent stuff Rtings team. Keep up the good work. You are industry leading in your reviews and testing.
Just reenforcing my preference for LG TVs. Good work RTINGS!
While I'm aware that Image retenion isn't permanent, after seeing it on my TV for 12 hours, I lost trust with my LG C1 and went back to my old TCL.
Sure the C1 is objectively a better TV than my TCL 617, however the stress from using the C1 is too much for me.
Did you notice any brightness decrease?
Great work team rtings with providing great information and uncovering new information on oleds
You are doing a great work and service to everyone. Thank you very much ❤💯
My parents G2 has somehow got loads of screenburn. Feeling the TV it always appears very hot and after doing some research that's due to the brightness of the TV. Knowing that's their flagship model I won't be going to LG
I’d like to get an OLED for the superior picture quality, but seems like a lot of maintenance/hassle to address image retention.
My last TV was an OLED and will not buy another one. The picture is superior, but short lived. First I started noticing brightness uniformity issues with certain shades of gray (vertical lines, got worse after pixel refresh cycles) after about a year. Then after 3 years the burn-in started to show, but wasn't too noticeable because I would only see it when there was a solid red, purple, or yellow background like in some games. Now at 5 years old the burn in can't be ignored. There are some areas where there was a static image (TH-cam logos mostly) but also a big area in the center which there was not. I'm sure some people will blame me because I used it as a computer monitor sometimes and that leads to static images, but I think the tech is fundamentally flawed. Imagine if there was a car with the best fuel efficiency, best acceleration, best control, etc. The only catch was that every time you drove it at a constant speed, the engine would slowly destroy itself. That is how I feel about OLED tech. Needless to say, I wasn't about to fall for it again so I just got a QLED for significantly less than an OLED and am very happy with it.
@@RandomGreenFishPhone which tv brand/model did you have the issue with? I went with a QLED as well…Samsungs QN90C to be specific as I’ll mainly use it for gaming. This video review helped me decide: th-cam.com/video/--PrZfDIj-o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aMxUBeP2rH1rAj7n
@@Dubb282 I have an LG 55C7P and just got a TCL Q7 to replace it. It is not as good as a Sony or Samsung QLED, but for the price I am happy with it.
Incredible stuff. This is extremely helpful and very informative.
Wow.... I work as field service agent and I have been noticing a few of the HP laptops have been working on have the retention issues... They dont seem to run the clean routines..though.. So we end up getting a mottled oatmealy look to them. And we have had to replace the panels. I didnt know what to call this effect prior to this video. You all do amazing work.
Would love to see an update on the OLED monitors. Specifically the Alienware. I'm on my second one now and it's already getting permanent burn-in for the second time. It seems like the compensation cycles work for a while and then they stop working or something.
burn in is a feature of current oled tech - organic led is just does not have that long a lifespan
@@Zam_manbullshit. read and watch rtings.
@@Zam_man I love it " burn in is a feature of current oled tech "
I have Rick Astley burnt into my retinas. I don't think it's just temporary image retention in this case. 8:17 Wait. It wasn't actually Rick Roll? I thought this was just a click bait thumbnail. This is great!
Not the worst problem to have 😂
Amazing information! Thank you for time and efforts. I’m ok with my lg mini led QNed85. It been ok. Just a lot of light bleed 😔.
Dont know why but i got scared with the jumpscare reflection 11:51. Insanely valuable these video updates and of course the longevity test itself. Great job everyone. P.S Abby is the boss.
I have a S90C and I think it runs the comp cycle each time it's shut off after 4+ hours. I know it's at least run them sometimes since early black crush and some typical out of the box uniformity went away. Weird about the S95C there and makes me wonder if it's a faulty unit or if it is a software bug.
I also really wish rtings would have added the S90C to this test after they reviewed it. I gather the 55" that got tested earlier in the year is a gen 1 panel so it'd have been interesting to see if it had any change with burn-in compared to the S95B which could maybe show Samsung tweaked things software wise to make it better on the S90C. Another thing is being able to see if the S90C has that issue of not running the comp cycle after every 4+ cumulative hours which would help show if it is a software bug or an issue with that specific S95C being tested.
Hopefully, rtings has contact Samsung about this given the importance of comp cycles for helping with image retention/burn-in.
Do you know if your s90c is a 2nd or 1st gen panel? I almost wonder if it's potentially a panel issue from gen to gen. Or if its a souly s95c issue and 2nd gen s90cs are working as intending.
At least for my S93C (55 ") I could see the compensation cycle running after 4 h of use by looking at the power consumption. So, the 2nd gen panel in the S95C could be the problem here.
Thank you for the update and the extra data!
Absolutely top notch. Abby explains it the best.
Update: I ran the process mentioned in this video and it didn't make any of my burn in go away on my A90J. RIP!
Quelle était votre utilisation quotidienne ?
Depuis quand avez-vous votre a90j ?
@@furaxrital I use my TV a lot on a daily basis. I don't leave it on when I am not using it or anything irresponsible like that though. I have had the TV since the day it came out.
I would just prefer a tech where we don't have to even think about retention or degradation over time. OLED still sits in my mind that the day you first turn it on is the best it will ever look and its a slow downhill from there.
also LEDs will degrade over time
Will likely never be a thing even if/when MicroLED hits the consumer market.
There's no such tech with comparable image quality. But hey - you can buy a display, that will be bad from day one and won't degrade anymore.
Thank you for such a detailed investigation.
Happy for a update. Thank you!
Owning an OLED is a stressful endeavor, the wear is inevitable, the "maintenance" is maddening and borderline psychotic, I don't like to worry about my TV or any appliance beyond basic common sense care. I chose local dimming LED based LCD TVs and I'm pleased with the PQ + features. No burn-in, no worries.
Same
Which OLED you had? Because from my experience there is no stress. You turn off the TV and leave it in standby. That´s it. On LED i was stressed day one because of bad blooming and led typal issues.
@@makoto5280 I ask the same, what LED LCD did you own? I guess we chose what's best for each. But since you want to know about stress, please look this up: unlike CRTs and Plasma, both display technologies that also suffered from potential burn-in, OLED decays by cumulative wear over time, it's inevitable. CRT/Plasma did not have cumulative wear (all displays have some wear coefficient), but because of OLED's organic nature, the wear is much faster/higher and uneven across the panel, depending on use, it's cumulative and progressive. In time OLED panels will experience color shifts (sub pixels decay unevenly, blue being the first one), uniformity issues and botches of areas worn out even if a defined burn-in issue was avoided by constant maintenance or care (by the user and automatic by the TV). I'll take a slight less deep black, contrast ratio and pixel response time with a [high-end] LCD TV, than a OLED TV with a coefficient of wear similar to vinyl records. It's a fact, you do what you do.