That’s awesome that you saved that thing. I worked at a used truck dealer for two decades in Bucks county. I saw these things disintegrating at four and five years old. I finally scored one a year ago with 52,000 actual original miles on it. 88 F350 7.3 5spd built by the TVA with a 34 foot reach bucket on the back of it. It’s spent its entire life just changing lightbulbs. I’ve been methodically rebuilding everything over the past year. It’s almost at the point where it’s ready to drive. Aside from some body surface rust it’s a find of a lifetime to me. It’s been 30 years since I’ve seen one of these with 50,000 miles on it.
I still remember when you picked this thing up and started working on it. There are probably a lot of people that don't believe it's the same truck you started with.
Your shitting me lol! Were both set up almost the same, except mine was a 94IDI I did a 96 PS swap on! Flat white w satin clear, rear line lock for parking brake. AWSOME trucks!!
I cannot thank you enough for making this video. I just picked up my own obs super duty manufactured in August 94. Would it be considered a 94.5 model? It is 2wd powerstroke zf5 xlt with a flatbed and dark red interior. I hope to one day convert it to 4wd with a divorced np203/205 doubler. I would love to know more about your front axle, specifically info about the brakes and the wheel adapters. Also I am extremely jealous of your wheels lol they're beautiful and match your build perfectly.
The 4x4 F-Superduty is such an oddball. Not many people know what they really are. Id love to do a more in depth video of it one day. August of 94 COULD be a 94.5 Count the grooves on your engine serpentine belt. If my memory serves me correctly, you should have 7 grooves in the belt, or 7 ribs on the pulleys if its a 94.5. The 205 is a heavy case, and will absolutely require its own crossmember, and rubber mounts. You'll also have to modify the tail shaft housing of the transmission to allow the linkage to get to the 205. The front axle is a custom made axle by Quigley. Its a 70 center section, with 60 outers, but has a custom made hub to be 10 bolt. It uses the OEM Rotors and brake calipers, so there are no adapters for anything. It took me a LONG time to find wheels, and the search paid off! Thank you for the compliments! This truck turned out much nicer than originally planned haha
So, 7 tips, or 7 dips in the pulley? If its 7 tips, you have an early 95, if you have 7 dips, you have a 94.5. I did a little research on it, and the 94.5 is a 7 rib belt, and the 95 is is an 8 rib belt.
@@visura5149 then yes. It’s a 94.5. So when your order anything for it. Be aware of the build date and stuff. There is a lot of little differences between a 94.5 and the rest of the trucks.
I remember heading about this truck in the forums when I was in high school. I loved it. Can I ask where I could get the document for frame shortening? I’d love to read that for a future build I have in mind
This truck took YEARS to do. Its not done, and probably never will be, however its totally usable! I am not sure if this link will work, so please let me know if it does. I have it uploaded to Google Docs. docs.google.com/document/d/11rVxw-9LgZWPakehEq1BAKFOZqMuEiwqN48UahuTZBI/edit?usp=sharing Its the document specific to the OBS era of trucks, as the years progressed, the file becomes updated by Ford to meet the newest specifications of the newest trucks, and removes the older information. Thankfully I was able to find this document and save it!
what part of pa are you in? My 97 superduty needs a new exhaust and the guy who did yours did a nice job. Im south of pittsburgh if hes close enough to do mine
The guy that made this exhaust lives in Kentucky. I had him make it for me and ship it over. Patriot welding and fabrication is the name of his business I believe. His name is Tommy.
I have 2 1997 super duty dumps . 1 in champagne and 460 auto and 1 in blue 7.3 auto. I need to find the time to get them both into good shape they work hard
Good looking rig eh?!! Neat to see a dana 70 conversion. You running a bw 1356 t case in the old gal? Had one of these with an idi and 5 speed… slow with 5:13 gears but fun to rip around! Theyre mint with a stack, tractor flap and glass packs
Thanks!!! I've never been a fan of the "all in one" setups that they make. They are too bulky in my opinion. They are easier, but I don't like how they look, and they also use a lot of proprietary parts which makes replacements harder to get.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage I looked at both systems and I hate the way the Irate system is designed. There’s too many parts. The FASS system is better designed and has the fuel regulator and return built into the unit itself. The only thing I had to purchase extra was the fuel distribution block from CNC Fabrication. It allows you to distribute the fuel to the four corners of the engine cylinder heads.
@@kenxiong6830 I have built a few systems and bought the irate regulated return setups. And I’ve never had any issues with them. The extra parts just make it a little more streamlined. And thanks! It’s a good truck and I hope it lasts a long time for me.
Im working on a 97 fsuperduty. Currently has a flatbed on it but im working on putting an 11 foot service body on it. In the process of replacing beds I need to clean up the frame. What product did you use to paint your frame and would you use it again or go a different route? Also do you happen to know what was the difference between the XLT and Xl models...mine is an xl and was tempted to bring it up to alt spec....not sure yet.
I generally have the frame sandblasted. And painted with your choice of paint. I used chassis saver on most of the frames. This one was some oil based stuff in a rattle can. Only because I knew it wouldn’t see winter again. It’ll be an easy touch up. If you’re not going to do the sand blast route, I suggest using something like an implement paint, as it shouldn’t sheet off like an encapsulated type product may if you don’t have good surface prep.
I have a '97 F-SuperDuty, 2WD, and it has a 161" wheelbase with a 12' bed. It has cabinets and toolboxes on it, but it only weighs 7550 per the registration. I've been looking for a 4WD, and figured I could cut down the bed and get a shorter driveshaft, but it always seems to be more work than I want to do. My property has a very steep driveway, which is why I've been wanting a 4WD. The problem with that era of trucks seems to be that the GVWR is not that high, 15000 is much lower than even an F-250 SuperDuty built today, which is over 20000 lbs. The OBS F-250s are only around 8800 GVWR, so even though I can find something with a diesel (I have the 7.5L 460ci), the GVWR doesn't gain me anything, it loses me in fact.🙄 I've always though my truck would be nicer if it was a bobtail. Mainly because 8'x12' bed is a problem driving around town. EDIT: FWIW, I only get 8 MPG on my truck also... Have you had to replace the steering column? That's a major job in itself...in fact the entire ignition system was designed by a moron.
A new F250 has a GVWR of around 10,000. Give or take whatever suspension package it’s got. Steering columns are easy, it’s explained in the dash removal video I have posted. 460 trucks get between 8-10 as typical fuel mileage. 4x4 swapping one of these old F-Superduties is always a lot of work depending on which route you want to go. And either one you take isn’t cheap sadly.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage don't know which F-250s you're looking at but I see the SuperDutys with over 20,000 lb. GVWR. OBS model F-250 HD only gets 10,000 lb. GVWR. Let's not confuse payload with GVWR.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage Yes, GVWR includes both the vehicle weight and the payload. How much payload do you get on an OBS F-250 HD ? End of story. My GVWR on my F-SuperDuty is almost twice what the 250 is. Mine has power brakes front and back with an 11,000 lbs. rear axle. I can comfortably haul 7,000 lbs. And to think that an old OBS 250, even the HD, can hold it's own against even a 10,000 lb. trailer is absurd. A lot has improved. Having a diesel and 4WD would be ideal, but I have a lot of machines to haul and I can't afford a diesel that can do that.
@@konoctiswigwam8130 F-Superduty GVWR is 15,000. A 95 F250 with a 7.3 is 8800. A 2017 F250 with a 6.7 is 10,000 GVWR. Which is weight of vehicle plus payload. A 2024 F350 can be 14,000 GVWR, a 2024 F550 can be 19,500 GVWR depending on options and a 2024 F600 is 22,000 GVWR. Those are specs straight from Fords website. Each of those trucks weigh differently depending on options and upfitted equipment. So, what they can put in the bed is different for each truck. Either way. Only one of those trucks is over 20,000 and it’s the F600. Towing, all of the 1995 HD trucks have a 10,000 pound tow rating for bumper pull. I don’t know what the new trucks can tow. But it’s obviously more.
hi. Nice truck. I bought a 1995 F-SD at auction, crank , no start. Have you updated your truck to OBD2 port compliance? Just bought a used snap on MT2500 brick scanner. ever used one on a pre obd2 OBS?
I am pretty sure the 1995 has the OBD2 compliance from the factory, the only ones that were a little odd with the OBD2 was the 94.5 trucks. A Crank, No Start could be just about anything on these diesel trucks. I had an MT2500 for a short period, and only used it once or twice before upgrading to a more user friendly scan tool. So, I am not very helpful there, sorry. The MT2500 is a good tool, but its not very user friendly in my opinion.
I can’t remember if they are 6, or 7” wide. But yes they are 16”. They are hard to come by! If you find a nice set, you’re going to be paying for them.
Is it possible to find a small lift kit for this truck? I have a 1996 f-super duty and I want to make it a 12ft flatbed service truck but I get caught in some nasty area at times and would like the truck a little higher.
Only way to really lift an F-SD that’s 2 wheel drive is custom leaf springs on the front since they are a spring under design. The rear could be leaf spring or blocks like normal.
Thinking about purchasing 94 f superduty with quigley 4x4 conversion, was wondering about getting brake parts and front end wear parts. Do they use stock ford parts?
Quigley uses a mix of their own proprietary parts and OEM parts. If you buy that truck, you need to call Quigley and update owner information with them and they can send you documents describing it.
@@johnt2226 you have a better chance at getting Quigley parts than OEM at the current rate. OEM is discontinuing a lot of parts for the old trucks. And Quigley generally has a stock of parts.
There are many cool tricks on this project! My Favorite might be the Disc Brake parking brake conversion.
It’s a unique truck for sure! Invention is the mother of necessity.
That’s awesome that you saved that thing. I worked at a used truck dealer for two decades in Bucks county. I saw these things disintegrating at four and five years old. I finally scored one a year ago with 52,000 actual original miles on it. 88 F350 7.3 5spd built by the TVA with a 34 foot reach bucket on the back of it. It’s spent its entire life just changing lightbulbs. I’ve been methodically rebuilding everything over the past year. It’s almost at the point where it’s ready to drive. Aside from some body surface rust it’s a find of a lifetime to me. It’s been 30 years since I’ve seen one of these with 50,000 miles on it.
That’s low miles for sure! Most guys just run these trucks into the ground sadly.
Beautiful blue colored dump truck it's cool to see that 2005-2007 steering wheel with multifunction controls along with automatic climate controls
Thank you! Lots of time and effort went into this truck.
sweet rig. love the upgrades and colors.
Thank you! It’s been a labor of love. It’s been a good truck with some hiccups along the way.
Gorgeous truck. Well done
Thank you! It’s been a good truck so far
I still remember when you picked this thing up and started working on it. There are probably a lot of people that don't believe it's the same truck you started with.
I can tell you this, it doesn’t look the same. Haha! Only way to know it’s the same truck is the VIN and when I open the hood.
Top 10 all-time OBS Ford!
Thank you!
Nice truck! Need to hear that beauty fire up!
Thank you! Sadly, it sounds like just about every other 7.3 in the world. haha
Your shitting me lol! Were both set up almost the same, except mine was a 94IDI I did a 96 PS swap on! Flat white w satin clear, rear line lock for parking brake. AWSOME trucks!!
These trucks are hard to beat!
I cannot thank you enough for making this video. I just picked up my own obs super duty manufactured in August 94. Would it be considered a 94.5 model? It is 2wd powerstroke zf5 xlt with a flatbed and dark red interior. I hope to one day convert it to 4wd with a divorced np203/205 doubler. I would love to know more about your front axle, specifically info about the brakes and the wheel adapters. Also I am extremely jealous of your wheels lol they're beautiful and match your build perfectly.
The 4x4 F-Superduty is such an oddball. Not many people know what they really are. Id love to do a more in depth video of it one day. August of 94 COULD be a 94.5 Count the grooves on your engine serpentine belt. If my memory serves me correctly, you should have 7 grooves in the belt, or 7 ribs on the pulleys if its a 94.5. The 205 is a heavy case, and will absolutely require its own crossmember, and rubber mounts. You'll also have to modify the tail shaft housing of the transmission to allow the linkage to get to the 205. The front axle is a custom made axle by Quigley. Its a 70 center section, with 60 outers, but has a custom made hub to be 10 bolt. It uses the OEM Rotors and brake calipers, so there are no adapters for anything. It took me a LONG time to find wheels, and the search paid off! Thank you for the compliments! This truck turned out much nicer than originally planned haha
@@GarrettsOBSGarage I had a chance to look today and it does indeed have a 7 rib p/s pulley as well as a 7 rib idler pulley. Thank you for the tip 😀
So, 7 tips, or 7 dips in the pulley? If its 7 tips, you have an early 95, if you have 7 dips, you have a 94.5. I did a little research on it, and the 94.5 is a 7 rib belt, and the 95 is is an 8 rib belt.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage It has 7 dips and uses a 7 rib belt
@@visura5149 then yes. It’s a 94.5. So when your order anything for it. Be aware of the build date and stuff. There is a lot of little differences between a 94.5 and the rest of the trucks.
Beautiful
Thank you!!
I remember heading about this truck in the forums when I was in high school. I loved it. Can I ask where I could get the document for frame shortening? I’d love to read that for a future build I have in mind
This truck took YEARS to do. Its not done, and probably never will be, however its totally usable!
I am not sure if this link will work, so please let me know if it does. I have it uploaded to Google Docs.
docs.google.com/document/d/11rVxw-9LgZWPakehEq1BAKFOZqMuEiwqN48UahuTZBI/edit?usp=sharing
Its the document specific to the OBS era of trucks, as the years progressed, the file becomes updated by Ford to meet the newest specifications of the newest trucks, and removes the older information. Thankfully I was able to find this document and save it!
97 7.3 zf5speed had 513s I put 410 in both front and rear axle pulled 30k plus til she got replaced with newer truck
So do they just sit or are you still driving them?
Used to drive the 5 speed for 5 years or so
Bout the 460 for spare parts
I also have the build sheets on both trucks to track down from end parts with part numbers
My 97 still has the quigley 4x4 badges on it
what part of pa are you in? My 97 superduty needs a new exhaust and the guy who did yours did a nice job. Im south of pittsburgh if hes close enough to do mine
The guy that made this exhaust lives in Kentucky. I had him make it for me and ship it over. Patriot welding and fabrication is the name of his business I believe. His name is Tommy.
Damn I'm a plumber not a welder lol besides I'm too busy plumbing to do any mechanic work. But thanks
It’s all clamp on. No welding required. I can see if I can get one and I can put it on for you.
Did you do a video on the parking brake project? Couldn't find one on YT.
I did not. I’ve been trying to put together a kit to buy and I just haven’t had the time to do it.
I have 2 1997 super duty dumps . 1 in champagne and 460 auto and 1 in blue 7.3 auto. I need to find the time to get them both into good shape they work hard
They are fantastic workers. I love mine!!
@@GarrettsOBSGarage unfortunately ive worked mine hard and both need allot of work sw pa is rough on trucks
@@KennardWeaver oh I know all about that!
Good looking rig eh?!! Neat to see a dana 70 conversion. You running a bw 1356 t case in the old gal?
Had one of these with an idi and 5 speed… slow with 5:13 gears but fun to rip around! Theyre mint with a stack, tractor flap and glass packs
Thanks!
Yeah this has the 1356 in it.
The 5:13 is way too tall for one of these with a little extra added power. That’s for sure!
Sweet truck man. I see you're also from PA, can I ask what general area?
Western side
@@GarrettsOBSGarage Hell yeah I'm from NEPA. Around Scranton.
@ not horribly far. But still a little drive.
Nice ride. Can’t go wrong with a 7.3 PSD. FASS would probably have been easier than the Irate kit
Thanks!!! I've never been a fan of the "all in one" setups that they make. They are too bulky in my opinion. They are easier, but I don't like how they look, and they also use a lot of proprietary parts which makes replacements harder to get.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage I looked at both systems and I hate the way the Irate system is designed. There’s too many parts. The FASS system is better designed and has the fuel regulator and return built into the unit itself. The only thing I had to purchase extra was the fuel distribution block from CNC Fabrication. It allows you to distribute the fuel to the four corners of the engine cylinder heads.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage that F-Superduty is one sexy ride thought. It’s perfect for the zombie apocalypse.
@@kenxiong6830 I have built a few systems and bought the irate regulated return setups. And I’ve never had any issues with them. The extra parts just make it a little more streamlined.
And thanks! It’s a good truck and I hope it lasts a long time for me.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage keep up the good content. I enjoy watching your videos
Im working on a 97 fsuperduty. Currently has a flatbed on it but im working on putting an 11 foot service body on it. In the process of replacing beds I need to clean up the frame. What product did you use to paint your frame and would you use it again or go a different route? Also do you happen to know what was the difference between the XLT and Xl models...mine is an xl and was tempted to bring it up to alt spec....not sure yet.
I generally have the frame sandblasted. And painted with your choice of paint. I used chassis saver on most of the frames. This one was some oil based stuff in a rattle can. Only because I knew it wouldn’t see winter again. It’ll be an easy touch up.
If you’re not going to do the sand blast route, I suggest using something like an implement paint, as it shouldn’t sheet off like an encapsulated type product may if you don’t have good surface prep.
Second truck is a 96 460auto truck 463 gears as a parts truck
I have a '97 F-SuperDuty, 2WD, and it has a 161" wheelbase with a 12' bed. It has cabinets and toolboxes on it, but it only weighs 7550 per the registration. I've been looking for a 4WD, and figured I could cut down the bed and get a shorter driveshaft, but it always seems to be more work than I want to do. My property has a very steep driveway, which is why I've been wanting a 4WD. The problem with that era of trucks seems to be that the GVWR is not that high, 15000 is much lower than even an F-250 SuperDuty built today, which is over 20000 lbs. The OBS F-250s are only around 8800 GVWR, so even though I can find something with a diesel (I have the 7.5L 460ci), the GVWR doesn't gain me anything, it loses me in fact.🙄 I've always though my truck would be nicer if it was a bobtail. Mainly because 8'x12' bed is a problem driving around town. EDIT: FWIW, I only get 8 MPG on my truck also... Have you had to replace the steering column? That's a major job in itself...in fact the entire ignition system was designed by a moron.
A new F250 has a GVWR of around 10,000. Give or take whatever suspension package it’s got.
Steering columns are easy, it’s explained in the dash removal video I have posted.
460 trucks get between 8-10 as typical fuel mileage.
4x4 swapping one of these old F-Superduties is always a lot of work depending on which route you want to go. And either one you take isn’t cheap sadly.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage don't know which F-250s you're looking at but I see the SuperDutys with over 20,000 lb. GVWR. OBS model F-250 HD only gets 10,000 lb. GVWR. Let's not confuse payload with GVWR.
@@konoctiswigwam8130 I think you’re looking at tow ratings. GVWR is Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. Which doesn’t include towing capacity.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage Yes, GVWR includes both the vehicle weight and the payload. How much payload do you get on an OBS F-250 HD ? End of story. My GVWR on my F-SuperDuty is almost twice what the 250 is. Mine has power brakes front and back with an 11,000 lbs. rear axle. I can comfortably haul 7,000 lbs. And to think that an old OBS 250, even the HD, can hold it's own against even a 10,000 lb. trailer is absurd. A lot has improved. Having a diesel and 4WD would be ideal, but I have a lot of machines to haul and I can't afford a diesel that can do that.
@@konoctiswigwam8130 F-Superduty GVWR is 15,000. A 95 F250 with a 7.3 is 8800. A 2017 F250 with a 6.7 is 10,000 GVWR. Which is weight of vehicle plus payload. A 2024 F350 can be 14,000 GVWR, a 2024 F550 can be 19,500 GVWR depending on options and a 2024 F600 is 22,000 GVWR. Those are specs straight from Fords website.
Each of those trucks weigh differently depending on options and upfitted equipment. So, what they can put in the bed is different for each truck. Either way. Only one of those trucks is over 20,000 and it’s the F600.
Towing, all of the 1995 HD trucks have a 10,000 pound tow rating for bumper pull. I don’t know what the new trucks can tow. But it’s obviously more.
The front is a 70 center with 60 outer nuckles and some how the 10 lug rotors were mated the spindle?
Basically. The hubs are custom made by Quigley.
Quigley is a name i havent heard in years.
And Quigley is still a big name in the 4x4 world thankfully!
hi. Nice truck. I bought a 1995 F-SD at auction, crank , no start. Have you updated your truck to OBD2 port compliance? Just bought a used snap on MT2500 brick scanner. ever used one on a pre obd2 OBS?
I am pretty sure the 1995 has the OBD2 compliance from the factory, the only ones that were a little odd with the OBD2 was the 94.5 trucks.
A Crank, No Start could be just about anything on these diesel trucks.
I had an MT2500 for a short period, and only used it once or twice before upgrading to a more user friendly scan tool. So, I am not very helpful there, sorry. The MT2500 is a good tool, but its not very user friendly in my opinion.
@@GarrettsOBSGarage thanks for the feedback and for the videos
You're welcome! Glad you're enjoying them!
are those still 16x6 alcoas? i have been thinking about getting a set for my 88’
I can’t remember if they are 6, or 7” wide. But yes they are 16”. They are hard to come by! If you find a nice set, you’re going to be paying for them.
Is it possible to find a small lift kit for this truck? I have a 1996 f-super duty and I want to make it a 12ft flatbed service truck but I get caught in some nasty area at times and would like the truck a little higher.
Only way to really lift an F-SD that’s 2 wheel drive is custom leaf springs on the front since they are a spring under design. The rear could be leaf spring or blocks like normal.
Thinking about purchasing 94 f superduty with quigley 4x4 conversion, was wondering about getting brake parts and front end wear parts. Do they use stock ford parts?
Quigley uses a mix of their own proprietary parts and OEM parts. If you buy that truck, you need to call Quigley and update owner information with them and they can send you documents describing it.
@GarrettsOBSGarage ok thanks was worried parts might be obsolete
@@johnt2226 you have a better chance at getting Quigley parts than OEM at the current rate. OEM is discontinuing a lot of parts for the old trucks. And Quigley generally has a stock of parts.
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I have 2 quigley trucks
It’s rare to have just one. Let alone two!
I know they are a very rare truck ford never made a 4x4 factory f450 all went to quigley
Not all went to Quigley. But you’re correct that Ford never made one.
Marmon herrings was 1 of the others to build em as well
I was thinking of putting them up for sale wen winters over
All that and we didn't get to hear it run?
It sounds like any other 7.3. Haha