WRC New Zealand 2022 | SS Whaanga Coast | Real Life vs. DiRT Rally 2.0
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2022
- In today's video, I will show you guys a section of the Whaanga Coast 1 stage from WRC New Zealand 2022 side by side with footage of the Waimarama Point Forward stage from DiRT Rally 2.0.
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While I think the NZ stages in DR2 are great (some of the best in the game), and some of the stages may have a similar layout/route to the real stages, DR2 completely fails to capture the true essence of NZ. Truthfully it seems much more like Australia, than NZ. I do agree with the other guy that says the road color is a pretty big deal, and in DR2 it's completely wrong, not even close in fact. The much bigger issue is the DR2 stages are far too flat, both in the vertical rise, and fall of the road, but more importantly, it doesn't have the camber that the NZ stages are legendary for having. While there are many things that I don't like about the WRC series, they did an amazing job capturing the true essence of the NZ stages. I love that the WRC 10 NZ stage has so much rhythm, and flow. The back, and forth, left, and right from one apex to the next, hardly needing to brake, while controlling the car with the modulation of the throttle, it's just so much fun to drive.
Certain things such as the elevation changes aren't always there due to the limitations of the game engine (so I've been told). Because of that the cambered corners aren't as noticeable. However, when you drive and flow from one corner in the next, especially in the tight and narrow sections, you really do have that camber to a large degree.
The colour of the road surface is indeed different, I'll grant you that. The environment is also not as lush but that could well be because of the moment they visited the location for references. It looks like they visited when it was very hot and it hadn't rained for a while. At this moment in New Zealand, the weather has been rather bad and in such a climate, plants and trees suddenly blossom and become far denser.
You just perfectly described my experience with the Wrc 10 NZ stage
@@SimsRacingDesign New Zealand geology is a hard rock called greywacke (Gray Wack e), and it is grey :)
That red orange is sandy stuff much more like Australian dirt. Because of the bed rock being so hard and durable, these gravel roads have a very nice surface and grip (mostly), so the rutted and puddled surface in DR2 is really just wrong. @Stburr91 describes our roads perfectly, they are quite unique in many ways and give a wonderful confidence.
Having said that, this is an amazing video, I love it :)
I'm building a new system and am looking to get WRC bundled with DR2, so I ended up here in my game research.
I really like the DR2 stages. They nailed the characteristics of most stages. CM should have made more stages as DLCs.
I wouldn't have minded that one bit. I would gladly pay something extra for well-designed recreations of actual real life stages.
Agreed would be cool to see some special stages in dr3 aswell if that’s happening
@@2easy775 DR3 is no longer coming according to many. I don't believe it will either. It's too late to release it considering they have to release their first WRC title in about a year or so. I suspect it's save to say that DR3 has been cancelled, unfortunately.
Well, not cancelled as in scrapped. DR3 will simply be repackaged into a WRC game, which sounds very promising
@@Utube2Itube well, the DR3 is basically scrapped then. I believe there are certain elements they will most likely re-use/redesign in their WRC game but it's not just going to be the same game repackaged. At least that's what makes the most sense to me. We don't even know they will use the same game engine. It's pretty much certain that they'll be using the Unreal Engine for the WRC game. We don't know if that was the case for DR3. However, having those best bits from DR3 put in WRC does sound very promising.
Seems like the game has a lot less camber, elevation, crests and in some parts, less banks on the inside of corners (that make these corners blind in real life).
Overall, it seems like Codemasters really dumbed it down and made it a lot less challenging. i hope the next game has more accurate stages, longer stages, and most importantly, more of them.
Either way, thanks for showing the comparison like that, it really showed me how similar (and dissimilar) the stage is in real life.
Also a side note, in real life, the stage actually continues for a short bit after the end (maybe 1 or 2km?), after which you're at the start of DR 2.0's other long NZ stage, the Ocean Beach stage. Yes, in real life, those 2 stages (plus the bit at the start and the bit between the two of them) are a one long stage, almost 30km long. Now that's the kind of thing I want in the next game! Surely, that would feel super rewarding just to get through the whole thing.
Thanks for the compliment. It is always appreciated.
It does indeed have that. I'd love to have those crests, blind corners and camber as well but what we got in the end, isn't all that bad.
I do indeed know that Ocean Beach (DR2.0) is most of the next section of Whaanga Coast. And I'd love to have the full 27km stage in a game one day but that's not an easy thing due to the limitations of the game engine they've used in the past. However, they are moving on to the Unreal Engine people say so that'll be interesting to see if there are opportunities there.
Crests and stuff may vary according to weather and season, which implies erossion and some other shit my mate.
I would also love 20km+ stages, especially now that I'm finally half decent at the game. But can you imagine the frustration from the more noob players? Which looking at the leaderboards, is the majority of games players
Dirt Rally 2.0 seems flatter. The elevation changes and banking seems more subdued. I always thought this about dirt rally 2.0 stages.
Limitations of the engine unfortunately.
I play this game and live in NZ and have been to Whanga coast when the WRC have been here. Our veiw spot was just at the end of the video.
Only gripe I have with this is the gravel colour. Otherwise I had no idea this stage was actually Whanga coast .
Great vid 👌
Thanks.
ive seen other comparisons, like Spain stages and they look pretty accurate.
i just hope codemasters wrc franchise will be full of real stages like DR, and not just fantasy stages.
So do I. We'll have to wait and see but I wouldn't be surprised if they are real roads/stages.
Thanks for the video, Zeeland is my favorite country in Dirt Rally
You are welcome. You can do the same with other stages in DR2.0. Some of them are no longer part of the current WRC events but were part of it in the past. The Greek stages were in the WRC round of 2013 for example.
Yo todos los días hago mis tramos de Dirt Rally 2.0 y algo que disfrutas de verdad.
They got it fairly spot on in fairness. not and exact scanned replica or anything but that's OK. New Zealand is quite similar to Ireland in real life, scenery and road type wise. In Dirt Rally 2.0 it looks more similar to Australia. The soil is too orange or something. Sweet comparison vid bud 🙂👌
The surface colour is indeed different but the rest is pretty spot on. Certain things, such as elevation changes, might not be as noticeable due to the game engine's limitations (can't say that with certainty but...).
It also depends on when they visited the location for references. The vegetation might not be as lush as it is right now but that could be down to a different season. It looks like they visited when it was very hot and it hadn't rained for a while. At this moment in New Zealand, the weather has been rather bad and in such a climate, the plants and trees suddenly blossom and become far denser.
@@SimsRacingDesign yeh, I thought the same thing about the seasons and the weather and time of year they may have gotten their references.
Sometimes what looks realistic doesn't look as nice as a more vibrant colour scheme which may have played a role also.
Either way, they did a great job with Dirt Rally 2.0 and I hope that they put the same love and passion into their debut WRC game 🤞
@@footdownracing I hope so too.
Awesome !
Thanks mate!
Even though it's wet surface, it sure looks like NZ was in a drought during codemaster's visit.
Perhaps. We don't know when they visited.
NZ is volcanic sand and rock primarily. The DR texture is more beach sand like.
@@ThisOldTechGuy Not in the roads tho, these areas are clay/sandstone based with a trucked in aggregate gravel from quarries. Even in summer time/dry weather they're not particularly 'yellow' looking like the game.
Hopefully when the release WRC it will be as good as dirt or even better. Some Irish tarmac would be cool.
As an Irish person yes
Depends on whether the rally will be part of the WRC calendar. Those will be prioritised I suspect. Not sure we'll see many extra locations as this is their first title. Maybe in the future.
I pretty much only watch Irish Tarmac Rallying after discovering it nearly ten years ago. The first day I discovered the Irie rallying I also watched this video with a co-driver whose personality filled the car. The way he was screaming at the driver "drive it fer me brudder, go, go punch it.." two minutes later "200 flat, slowing at the flag into hairpin right, brake early" flying past the yellow flag "brake for me brother, hairpin right" the driver comes screaming into the corner, sliding it left and right washing off the speed perfectly. Accelerates out of the corner, smoke peeling off the rear tires, the driver is laughing so hard he's almost squeaking. The co-driver "jahzus Frank ya mad khunt, come back to me three right slippy... Kelly come back brudder"
Frank Kelly and his then co-driver Liam Brennan in that GRP4 MK2 Escort "Baby Blue" 340bhp 260nm of torque 6 speed sequential dog box. If anyone likes watching a highly skilled driver bouncing along those glorious Irish lanes at times pushing past 200km/h and the name Frank Kelly doesn't ring a bell, just watch his uploads. He is now driving with his daughter Lauren as co-driver and the man can drive. He drove his 70's MK2 Escort quicker through Moll's Gap in the wet than Ken Block in his AWD WRC prepared Escort Cossie that had easily another 100 bhp and 200nm more than the RWD MK2.
Oh, excellent comparison video, it's incredible how much the traction levels change throughout the stage. I mean I'm stating the obvious but it is so abrupt, I can't wait for the time when rally games are able to accurately simulate that to varying degrees across a special stage.
Can someone please explain why this is called "Waimarama Point" when Waimarama is in Hawke's Bay not Ragland? In the Dirt game they say this track is also in Hawke's Bay when it clearly isn't. Is there a second Waimarama in NZ I'm not aware of?
Most of the Dirt stages are called a different location I assume due to licensing.
The roads inNew England in game are literally based on roads from the other side of the country thousands of miles away.
Exactly what @metalmike04 said. It's due to licensing. The aren't allowed to use the actual name because of their connection with the actual WRC.
The same with Poland, there are no rallies happening in Łęczna county (SE Poland), the real location is Warmińsko-Mazurskie region (NE Poland, as both real stages don't take place in a single county), the stage names in-game are referencing village/lake names in Łęczna county.
@@isiam55 I'd rather have the actual stages with a different name than fake stages with the real name. 😅 With Codies having the license, they'll be able to use the correct names now.
@@AmbientMike For the new England stages in particular, I had read they didn't want to make it obvious and have a bunch of keyboard warriors wrecking their cars on those roads. Americans be like that.
it's disappointing to see how much more fun and challenging the irl stage is compared to dirt's stage. baffled as to why they would chang the gravel's color, and why they would remove the harsh camber and blind crests that define new zealend in real life. it could have been handled much better
The colour might be because of the time of year they visited for reference material. The dark grey colour is also just on the very top. Underneath it's more brown. However, they did go somewhat too far away from the original colour indeed.
The cambered corners might be due to limitations of the game engine.
All in all, I think it's a pretty decent representation of the real stage. We don't have anything as close to the real road in rally games. All other games have somewhat decent representative visuals but don't recreate a 1:1 version of a real life stage.
@@SimsRacingDesign yeah, i think you might be onto something with the game engine's limitations. all of dirt rally 2's stages lack a lot of the camber of real life. comparing it to the wrc 10 just made me aware of it. if you look at wrc 10's stage in new zealend, i feel like it captures the feel and look of the rally a lot better. i would assume the same goes for generations, but i have not checked it out yet
Weather irl is a lot more miserable:P
It is indeed. A bit more slipping and sliding.
What stage is that? I want to try it my self
That's Waimarana Point Forward in DR2.0. The Ocean Beach stage is actually the second part of the real life Whaanga Coast stage, just so you know.
@@SimsRacingDesign Thank you! :D
@@scriptdevvs You are very welcome.
@@SimsRacingDesign i tried it, and, it was fun! Although, i crashed a lot because of the tight turns. But still, i finished!
@@scriptdevvs Fantastic! Glad you enjoy it.
they really messed up the colour palette for NZ
Yo
Its crazy to think that i have the wr in this particular stage😆
Well done. Which car class and conditions? Time trial or custom championship?
How in the hell do they follow those calls.
It's all about getting used to driving with calls.
Dirt could look much better if it would be a bit muted on appearance, it just is too flashy which isn't always realistic.
It's might indeed be slightly over the top for most but I don't mind. Better than having graphics that almost blind you like those from the WRC games. Those genuinely hurt my eyes and I'm squinting a lot when playing those games.
Profile seems to be fine, but gotta say the texturing and scenery doesn't rly feel like the real thing
That might be because of the time of the year they went over there for references. It was probably during a period when it was a lot hotter and more dry (= less vegetation).
The point is, CM painted roads in yellow whereas they are rather black ...
No, the main point of the video is to showcase how close the stage in DR2.0 is to the real life stage when it comes to its layout. We don't have that in any other modern rally game such as those of the WRC franchise (95% fictional).
Sure, in reality there's a thin layer on top that is dark grey but underneath is a far more lighter brown gravel. Something everyone seems to forget frankly. You can clearly see that if you look online for images or footage. When it's wet, the surface obviously seems far darker in colour because of water mixing with gravel.
However, not the whole surface is made up from that dark grey coloured gravel.
We don't see that thin layer of dark grey gravel in DR2.0 and the lighter brown layer underneath might be a bit too orangy, yes.
@@SimsRacingDesign Don't we?
I think that WRC games give us simillar effect. However, CM work is brilliant (except yellow sand)
@@arekkomarek7707 Agreed. 👍
Next year, finally, my bad. Actually not, Saudi Arabia will replace New Zealand. How lucky we are ......NOT
Is that already confirmed?
@@SimsRacingDesign almost, yesterday was announced that Germany, Austria and Czech will together host the middle east rally, at the end was a ist with the 14 rallies. It's not official, but it certain true, since Rally New Zealand won't be part of the calender next year.
@@Werferharfer Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.
This is the reason, why codemasters is better game designer like Kyloton.