The reason I keep watching reactions to this song is for that moment with the E5 belt at the end. That's when people who understand vocal technique tend to have their biggest reaction, and presumably for the same reason I did the first time I watched it. When she pulled that out, that's the moment I said to myself, this isn't just about a novelty or a gimmick. She's the real thing.
Agreed. That’s the moment I watch these vocal coach reactions for. It’s a quick switch from the growl straight into a great belt with range, and the vocal technique folks tend to notice.
@@csgowoes6319 Yeah, no one is perfect. I have little to no personal experience with the metal scream/growl, but I wonder about the stamina it takes to keep that up for long periods. The gender differences in vocal tract are more about size than fundamental structure, so I would imagine it's similar for men and women.
“I wasn’t ready” it never gets old. Great analysis and reaction. Liked and sub’d. A good follow up would be Perennial live at Wacken 2019. Jinjer live is simply mind blowing. Enjoy your journey down the Jinjer rabbit hole. 🍻🤘
Just like everyone else I was waiting for your reaction, knowing that you're a vocal specialist. My original plan for covid was to learn to improve my singing ability, sadly instead my mind decided that I needed to heal my childhood trauma instead & I have been sucidally depressed for 2+ years but it will get sorted & then I can work to improve my singing & I will have all this wonderful guidance from the youtube voice coaches I follow. I haven't watched to the end yet so you may yet comment but nobody seems to have commented about how JinJer & their families as a band are from the Donbass region of Ukraine which is currently being bombed flat by Russia. When Russia first invaded in 2014 they moved to Western Ukraine, which is AFAIK where they are still based. Given the Donbass is the heavy manufacturing area of the Ukraine, the interest in heavy metal seems obvious. Just as Detroit or Sheffield is big on heavy metal bands.
Since she's Ukrainian she put a LOT of work into her enunciation. Her accent is really strong but you can't hear even a morsel of it in her singing. Her tone and softness is insanely impressive imo cause she just learned it by ear
I love her voice. I can hear a morsel of an accent on certain words. I'm a connoisseur of accents lol and if you listen hard you can detect it slightly on a few words. Every once in a while she'll have an interesting pronunciation of a word too. I dig it! But overall yes she is very clear in her diction and enunciation, both in her clean tones and her unclean tones.
Except in this case its obviously a lie and she clearly knows its coming because its not her first time watching the video. Shame really. She can't even hide it, she verbally lets out that she knows what's coming on two occasions before the "surprise" and has the most obvious shit-eating grin just before she presses play again. I've seen toddlers that were better at hiding things.
This was my introduction to Jinjer, and I'm a fan for life! Its' mind blowing how intense this song is at times, and yet all the band member are so relaxed. No one does it better than Tatiana. And the band, just amazing, the creativity, the timing, the lyrics, the talent, the amount of practice , just awesome. Amazing!
Watch her live to appreciate her vocal contrast. I recommend "perennial (live at waken)"or "judgement and punishment (vocal one take) " . Great reaction 👍🏻🤘🏻
Definitely recommend "Judgement and Punishment" (vocal one take) to the vocal coach reactors! It's a great side view of her while singing/screaming and also a clean recording to catch vocal phrasing and nuances! I love the concert stuff also. Often those are recommended either to prove that really is her voice (not a processed effect as some allege), or just because it is their personal favorite Jinjer song. Nothing wrong with that, and if Pieces and Judgement grab this vocal coach then I definitely think she should go down that rabbit hole of awesome live performances.
@@MrErikchaugen yes I know erik but when they hear the layering added later some are questioning I’m saying hearing tatiana in front of audience is a whole different thing and the vocal one take I’m not hearing layering myself added later are you? Im just wondering🤔
@@SuperClarky666 I was wondering the same,but it really sound like a simple harmonizer or octaver,wich can be used live also!!But i would love to hear her live,as you are not the first telling me she is amazing live!!
The duality of her voice fits right in with the Pisces theme. The sign Pisces is represented by 2 fish swimming in opposite directions - sort of a split personality situation. Using the fish metaphors, part of her wants to be caught ( having an intimate relationship), and the other part is "skittish" due to past mistreatment by "callous men" and "handsome butchers". The "emeralds being ripped away" are probably her wall of iridescent scales which has to be lowered in order to achieve intimacy. As they say, "Once bitten, twice shy". One reactor said that her voice reminded him of his ex-wife's voice - before and after marriage. After this introduction, the recommendation is usually for a live performance, so you can hear her growls in a that situation, but their song "Home Back" hits pretty hard. for other reasons. It was written after being forced to leave their homes because of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, and how they want their homes back.
Well said. Great to see others write up the Pisces symbolism! ... The really sad thing about 'Home Back' is that many believe it's the current conflict the song was written about, but it was actually the conflict when Tati was a child... It's awful that they are enduring it all again.
@@thecassman Home Back rather refers to when the band had to leave the Donezk region and move to Lwiw in Western Ukraine because of the present conflict starting already 2014 in the east... since Tati is 35 now, she was hardly a child back then. ;-)
English isn’t her first language and she has said she works extra hard to make sure she enunciates every word properly. She wants you to hear and understand her songs and not just see them as a gimmick. This is one of the most talented groups of musicians making music today and she truly appreciates the guys behind her make her even better and vice versa. They are crazy good!
The entire band is truly amazing. The amount of talent is mind boggling, and they all make it seem so effortless. Her song writing ability, breath control, pitch, etc, are all masterclass.
the Band is super technical and tight, then you have Tatiana is a vocal goddess...How she transitions from melodic to the growl and back is incredible. I am in awe....
I had the scales fall from my eyes (and ears) in 2019 when I first heard Nightwish. Since then I have been immersing myself in the European metal scene, starting with Symphonic Metal and from there going down assorted interconnected rabbitholes. This song in particular is a joy to watch pro singers and vocal coaches react to. Your reaction did not disapoint. Tatiana has plenty left in the tank for you to react to!
I have listened to this song hundreds of times. I’ve watched reactions to it just as many times. That belt near the end will NEVER not get me. I have to brace myself as soon as she starts with “Pisces swimming…” and just tense up until it’s over. I’m slowly been becoming a fan of this band over the past few months. Probably my favorite song of there’s is “Teacher, Teacher.”
Omg thank you for an honest reaction! Your reaction was so informative as well and as a Jinjer fan I cannot waiting for you to hear her LIVE. Tatiana is RARE.
Great reaction and analysis. Tatiana's harsh vocals are really interesting because they display aspects of both false cord screaming (low, open, dark coloured, growl) and fry screaming (usually high, bright, with high frequency static-y overtones) at the same time. To use an analogy, Tatiana's harsh vocals use false cord screaming like chest voice and fry screaming like head voice, and she can mix the two in various proportions. This is unusual because false cord screaming is done with the true folds held open, and its very hard to generate enough breath pressure to rattle the tissues that produce a fry scream sound higher in the vocal tract with the true folds open. Usually fry screaming is done with the true folds held closed enough to only allow a small high pressure stream of air through (the true cords are not used to phonate while doing this in a pure fry scream). It makes her harsh vocals pretty unique. She's a wonderful vocalist with a wide variety of clean and harsh timbres in her arsenal and the artistic sense to use all those tools in the right places to aid storytelling.
When I first learned what fry screaming was I enjoyed spotting fry screamers at gigs when their speaking voice into the mic came out much louder than their screams. It helped me to stop hurting myself doing the two or three backing vocal lines I had to do in my band too.
I sooo appreciate when a reaction to Jinjer is more than just "she sounds like a demon"... These are talented musicians, all 4 of them. And appreciating what she is doing and the talent she has is great.
Next you need to react to “Teacher Teacher”. Thank you so much to reacting to them. They are the most unique bands out there and from Ukraine that we hear about in the news. Tatiana is so gifted and sings various musical genres in their music. You will absolutely love each suggestion because all of them will be great to see your reaction. Thanks again🙏🏼🌹
Wow so surprising. Her natural singing is so warm and nice. I love how in that last scream she seems to mix her throat singing with her high mix voice...how?!?!
I've heard people refer to it as "Double Voice" before, but It's hard to find a formal definition of this phenomenon. It's EXTREMELY rare from what I can tell. But you are most definitely hearing two tones in her last two growling segments. I have been questioning my sanity for the last 10 or so listens, but every time I replay it I hear the same exact thing. When most people execute a Double Voice type of effect it takes them more than one track to accomplish it. She is absolutely, terrifyingly INCREDIBLE!
@@krimzonghost1987this is a studio recording, and if you listen, the vocals on the verses are more than one vocal track. Could possibly be the same on the choruses. Lots of tricks can be done in the studio that can't be replicated live.
Glad you enjoyed it so much! I heartily endorse all the other people saying that Judgement and Punishment (live one-take) is a great one for vocal coaches to react to. Having said that, my favorite is still Teacher, Teacher (official video): it's just stunning.
Please watch her in Judgment and Punishments 1 take live not the stage or official. Its amazing. You get to watch her neck and throat the entire performance. Would love to get your take on that performance
Tatiana has done a bunch of interviews. Even with some TH-camrs. If I recall the interviews correctly she has said she doesn't know any of the science behind it. She was inspired by another female screamer: Otep. Then just practice screaming at cars on a highway, and in her pillow at home for years to to learn how and develop her style. I think she did one interview on Loudwire on how she learned to scream. "Teacher, Teacher" is probably my favorite song but yeah I agree with other commenters for vocal coaches and teachers "JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance" is a good one because its just her up close in a booth.
Jinjer just put out an album last August called "Wallflowers" and were set to tour with Slipknot right about now. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine started, which is their home country. The guys in the band were in Ukraine and couldn't leave so that nixed their tour plans. Tatiana was in Los Angles with her husband and has been working on some collaborations with other bands. Once the war is over I am crossing my fingers they come ROARING back (pun intended).
@@BTAColorado they generally do the european festival circuit in the summer, then branch out to various continents from there. They are booked for a festival in Australia though.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Generally, yes. this original comment is ten days old, their cultural ambassadorship status they were granted to return to touring happened the next day. I saw that Australia festival announcement last night when they posted about it. SUPER happy for them, I will be there when they make it to the US again!
LOL. You only THINK you’re prepared for the first time hearing Tatiana. People literally make a hobby of watching first-time reactions to Jinjer, and this song is the best one to start with because it’s so Jekyll-Hyde. A lot of reactors have serious meltdowns. Julia Nilon just about killed me-in part probably because I’d only just heard it the first time myself, and had a very similar reaction. Anyway, great reaction and analysis. You might want to check out The Bass Gang’s recent cover of Centuries, featuring Jonathan Young-he briefly uses a similar technique, and I gather he does more on his own channel (metal guy, 2 million subscribers). It sounds to me like he’s also classically trained-I hear a little of that from him at times. The BG members themselves are basses with extensive ranges and considerable talent. One member is currently in apprenticeship with the Santa Fe Opera as well. FYI, this band is from Ukraine. Tatiana, last I heard, was in the US with her husband, but the men are in Ukraine fighting. I check in on their channel every so often hoping to find out how they are. They’re selling merch to help fund the fight. PS, I doubt I’m the first to mention this but you look a lot like Annette Bening back in the day.
" Wallflower" by Jinjer also speaks to lead singer Tatiana's introverted side. The band has been around for 12 years now with different personnel, the most recent change being Vlad the drummer who is a classically trained pianist. The guys write the music and Tatiana (a self-confessed procrastinator who does her best work under the last minute deadline) writes the lyrics. Tati's early role model for screaming was a female screamer named "Otep" from the band Otep. Check them out with the song "Ghostflowers" and imagine Tati hearing a female vocalist screaming for the first time. The song "Wallflower" portrays the band's different personalities and Tati's artistic side.
Watch her live, see her stage presence, hear her belt, growl, sing while moving all around the stage. The band plays behind her with precision. All of them together show their incredible talent. Perennial live at Whacken 2019. 🤘
Scream, growl, I think, especially when I hear Tatiana's last sound in this one, sounds like a panthers roar. So, I like to think of Tati as a roarer .
Never gets fcking old ! Every single time it is really fun to watch these honest reactions. I got into search box afters months again and find myself looking for more reactions lul. Such a nice tutor tho, well analyzed :))
Her belt on this song really reminds me of Ann Wilson of Heart. There's some layering on her voice to fill it out, but her growl is so deep and aggressive. I think you'd like their song Teacher, Teacher. It really shows her different skills. This is a Ukrainian band, by the way. So much talent in danger with the recent troubles.
In the 90's we used the terms "aggression/aggressive" then "dark" then "whine" then "harmonic". Each singing style seemed to fit into that. Alice in Chains, aggressive whine. Cannibal corpse aggressive dark. Queensryche metal harmonic. Jinger covers ALL the bases, so... Great review! Thank you
jinjer is one of the best death style singers i ever heard and i been listening to this style since it was invented ...she has a great growl and completely understandable with good speed control and chorus like an angel...its great to see a voice teacher love it too
What a fantastic reaction and I especially appreciate your acknowledgment of the band’s ability at the end. They are all top-notch musicians who write interesting, challenging music. Plus Tati is a poet who is writing in a second language.
Watching you attempt to construct the physical vocal production in your mind's eye while carrying on a conversation was precious. The words would flow but then the brain would give a nudge like "just think about the arytenoids... and what is going on in the posterior pharynx?" A very good and entertaining reaction. About 4 months ago we got a heads up from Elizabeth/The Charismatic Voice that she had arranged for a detailed laryngoscope for Will Ramos of the band Lorna Shore at a very legit lab in Utah (I shall hold off on plugging them only because I'm former faculty at another west cost med/dental U who has a similar lab, lol It's kinda like football fans, we don't cheer for the opposition, lol.) Anyway, that video is premiering this Fri June 10 on her channel. Yes, I know it's kind of clumsy talking about the 'competition' on a reactor's channel, but 98% of the time you folks seem to be much more supportive of others in your field (then we are in grant-competitive academia, or even worse in the private sector). You'll probably see the info in her community section, and you REALLY should see the teaser/trailer she has up right now...Will is such a real/down-to-earth/FUNNNY person. OK, enough plugging other channels. ...But since I watched all the way to the end of the video and you'd mentioned wanting to see a scope of harsh vocal production, I wanted to make sure you knew that video was upcoming. No spoilers, form me. But there's a hint at a very cool 'ah hah moment' in the trailer.
This is the best response to this song I have seen. Yes, the growl is super impressive, but the mixed belt is what really sends shivers down my spine. Her transitions are superb and everything she does is extremely musical. A lot of growl vocals are used for effect or to add aggressiveness, Tatiana uses every part of her repertoire as an instrument. I also like the way she transitions from a growl to a scream effortlessly - it's almost as if she is able to pitch the vocal effect.
If you go through Jinjer’s catalogue you will learn that Tatiana has a higher and lower register. But it works because the band create the music that allows it work so perfectly. She has very little do to with the composition but they know she can add to it. The band site lots of bands as influences but I would definitely say that Opeth (not forgetting Otep was Tatiana’s eye opening moment as it being possible for a woman to do extreme vocals). Opeth and Otep are too very different bands but good in their own rights. I hope Jinjer will be remembered for their talent and the fact they opened up so many people to metal in the way bands that Metallica, SOAD and Slipknot did (just name a few) because they got people interested in a genre that they would otherwise of thought differently to. I’m 51 and I honestly think Tatiana is my favourite vocalist out their now. People can argue and that’s fine, my tastes are tastes and what I like is just what I like, it’s an opinion. Music / art is not based in facts, so love what you love and enjoy it, be happy with what makes you happy (unless it’s auto tune in which case I’ll say you are wrong 😂😂😂😂) love, peace and harmony ♥️
Whatever Jinjer's level of commercial success turns out to be, I am confident that in a decade there will be a generation of musicians citing Jinjer as key influences. Looking at the more recent success of Spirtbox, I don't think they'll be alone and bands like Jinjer and SB are going to be the end of this, but rather just be the first steps in a new wave of metal becoming an influential genre again. And here's the thing, look at how successful Adele has been, and she's almost always singing about hurt and anger, but it's made pretty, sugar-coated, romanticized. I think when music historians look back on the last decade, they'll point to Pisces live session in 2017 when so many women around the world were really taking hold of their anger and the amazing technique on display waking people up to a new paradigm of music. Music that doesn't have to choose between beauty and the beast, between Adele and Arch Enemy. Rather it is music that can integrate the two ends of the spectrum and embrace everything in between. That is able to be beautiful when it should be, but to express hurt and anger fully when it needs to too.
Check out Lauren Babic, idk if you e heard of her or not. She does a lot of covers, Bad Romance is a good one but then she does some nice soft vocals in her covers of “Lovely” And a cover of the Gaga/Bradley cooper song (cannot remember the name right now). I absolutely agree that Tati is in a league of her own, but you might like Lauren as well.
I was in Dallas one time with a friend in a metal band, and they taught me to growl, that "discovery moment" you mentioned. Here's the steps they walked me through. 1. First, say something ridiculously southern and with a big exaggerated Texas drawl. We did "You got a purdy mouth." (sorry, lol) Maybe this is relaxing everything since southern accents are slow and drawn out. 2. Next, say it again but as low as you can. 3. Then, say it again but even lower than that. Lower than you're able to. I'm guessing this is forcing you to not just relax, but open the vocal chords. Keep them out of it. If they're looser than they have to be to make sound, then voila. 4. Finally, say it again like that but as loud as you can. And tah-dah, I made a noise I wasn't expecting to ever hear myself make and it was awesome. Didn't hurt either. I'd be curious to take actual lessons though since this was just "something a guy told me" and not necessarily the right way. It worked though and was a blast.
Tatiana is a treasure and the rest of the band is so talented and so together in producing this. It really is a team effort. That last transition by Vladislav, introducing Tatiana's last beast-mode segment, was amazing. One of the ways to know Tatiana is not being damaged by this is the fact that she's been doing it for more than 12 years and has not been harmed. I really enjoyed your reaction/analysis.
Metal... It will always spotlight the very best in musicians. Just my opinion and I grew up in the disco's '70's. To me it allows for the most creative directions. Love your reactions as well. You will do well here, and grow maybe faster than you can imagine. 🤗🤘🏼🇺🇦
Some will whine that they prefer reactors not to know what to expect. Personally I enjoy it more when one thinks they know what's coming heehee. I see recommendations for both Perennial live at Wacken and Judgement & Punishment one take. Both are amazing. Wacken is very technical and will show her on stage and her mesmerizing stage presence (I've seen them twice) and at the end she talks to the crowd and you can see how out of breath she was which is mind-blowing. Judgment and Punishment has a lot of belting and is more focused on power, and up close so her technique is on display. Great analysis - subbed. Cheers!
p.s. your comments at the end make me wonder if The Charismatic Voice's "Operation: Throat Camera" with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore is on your radar. My immediate thought was wondering if she'd asked Tati. :)
One of my favorite belted parts she does is at the end of the Resurrection Fest video of "Captain Clock". Be aware though Vocalyst, that's one of their heaviest song for the first 3 minutes or so.
Something that I find amazing is her ability to maintain that clarity to her notes regardless of it's form. Both her sultry, seductive type singing in the beginning to the growls and screaming... How it's so well emphasized by that final fry at the end just wrapped it all together so well... Even after hearing the song numerous times at this point, I still can't really get over it lol.
I just love how Bethany not only got great facial expressions but literally react at phisical level: her face became red and she got teary eyed from excitement. XD
When she switches to that belt, it gets me every time! So I'm not surprised that got so much of your attention. I'm actually not a big fan of harsh vocals, but I do love her regular vocals, and the band is crazy good.
I'd say that the uniqueness of Tatiana's harsh vocals is the result of being self-taught. She wanted to sound a certain way, so she figured out how to do it without learning this or that technique. She said in an interview that in the beginning she felt disappointed with the whole thing because she sounded like a cow (😄) but she practiced and practiced and practiced (she didn't feel comfortable screaming into a pillow, so to avoid disturbing her family at home she started going to a nearby road and screamed at the passing cars) until she liked the sounds that she was producing and felt comfortable doing it without damaging her voice. With time she also developed an amazing breath control, as you'll witness when you react to Perennial live at Wacken 2019. Also, another thing that differentiates Tatiana from other female screamers is the ability to make the different type of vocals fit the mood of the part of the song they're used in (like you pointed out in the belting part) and her dynamics. Many other female screamers either scream in the same register during the whole songs or when they sing normally, they do the same. Like 549! 🙂
thanx for your professional analysis of this song > one of the best bands I've ever heard, regardless of the musical genre lovely greetings from a german musician and maybe next > JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance please stay safe
Always pause. Always rewind. I ADORE hearing vocal coaches and teachers talk about technique and methods and the "Why" and "How" behind singing. It's awesome and I always appreciate music all the more for it.
All the artistry aside, I love how she clearly defined the mood of the verses, the first is all introductional and neutral beautiful, the second is already a step up , warning and more involving, and by the time the third comes she knows she's got you sucked in and plays the Master role, prepping you for the finale. Awesome dynamics by an incredible woman backed up by top musicians. The usual easing in is to check "Perennial LIVE at Wacken 2019", a beautiful sample of their live performance, or "Teacher teacher", but since you're a voice teacher, I bet "Judgement and punishment one take vocal performance" is what you'll want to sink your teeth into 😉.
Never gets old man!That's why every few months I check for new reaction videos. Love Jinjer💖💖 Also love seeing people react to Floor Jansen,Viking Queen👸👸
This song was to show off the new drummer but went viral because of her voice. You should check out the chirsima tic voice where she had wil Ramos of Lorna shore do a laryngoscope, it will premiere In 3 days
Tatiana is the best at using her false vocal folds. She transitions fast & perfectly from growl to clean. THE best..and she's so humble & fun. Welcome to tje Jinjer rabbit hole. I recommend I speak astronomy & Perennial for your next push into the Jinjer rabbit hole.
I've watched virtually every reaction video to this as obviously it is notably incredible . Your professional observations along with honest and sincere appreciation of what you were seeing and hearing got you not only a "like", but "Subscribed" as well. Genuine objectivity is refreshing to find , and you clearly show it. Great video ! :)
Such a great reaction and review, thank you. Jinjer are a really superb band, Tatiana is very adaptive in her singing and sings in many different genres, please check out, 'Perennial' live at Wacken 2019, 'Teacher Teacher' the official video, 'Judgement (and Punishment)' Tatiana's one-take vocal version, 'Vortex' the official video, which is one of the band's latest songs, for an earlier one react to 'I Speak Astronomy' the official video, they have a very large back catalogue. They're from the Ukraine, the band are: Tatiana on Vocals, Roman on Guitar, Eugene is the Bassist, Vlad is the Drummer. The men are still in the Ukraine, they were there when the war broke out, luckily Tatiana was in America with her husband at the time so is safe.
I love the face you made while hearing Tati's edgy rough vocals for the first time (she calls them 'extreme vocals'). I have done that myself. Oh, you have to give this another listen, you missed something. This was not the first recording or the first playthrough in the studio. She actually has a backing track that is her whispering the lyrics underneath the normal clean vocals. She's not actually as airy as it seems. I think she also did another backing track for the low screams and maybe also for the high scream at the end. Obviously there is some echo effect on the mic at certain points. And AMAZING, AWESOME display all the way around. This is a world-class band! :)
You went from my most favourite band in the world, Disturbed, to my second most favourite band in the world, Jinjer. I saw Jinjer at a friends place and couldn't believe the voice of Tatiana, they came to Australia and I did a "meet and greet" and it was amazing. Such talent, an amazing band and absolutely insane live. Like Disturbed they are even better live than on any album.
Tatiana can do it all, sing like Gwen Stefani, scream like a demon, and growl like a hell hound. Her vocals are amazing to first time listeners. The little known success is the talent of the rest of the band. Their timing, composition, and "groove" create music as unique as Tatiana's vocals. Awesome fit by all musicians.
The musicians deserve a hell of a lot of credit for the way that they subjugate their obviously stellar technique to the whole product. There are no histrionic guitar solos, no furious drum solos, just perfectly placed notes and a special regard for tone colour, timbre, that adds so much richness to the sound. Tatiana has a marvellous ability to suit her sound quality to the words, and the other musicians do the same. And isn't it so miraculous that a four piece band, live or in the studio, can produce such a rich tapestry of sound!
@@briancarter3840 Rush as a three piece always made me wonder that, but I get your point, these 4 musicians fit together so well - you swear there's 6 of them. 🤣
You think you’re ready, but you’re never ready. 😃 And the band are all masters, and they play many different styles. Glad the boys are getting out of Ukraine, we were all worried for their safety. 🇺🇦 Judgement and Punishment one take is a great close up of her singing style. Great reaction, looking forward to more!
I really respect when singers and voice teachers value false chord and fry screaming. It takes so much practice to not hurt yourself. Thank you for that!
Wow I've seen so many voice coaches & singers react to this song but this is by far the most detailed explanation of her technique and use of her vocal chords, job well done
It is so fun seeing someone, especially vocal coaches discover Jinjer for the first time. Probably because that is the closest we can come to rediscovering them ourselves. Believe me when I say that you have barely scratched the surface of what they can do. The musicians are phenomenal and Tati is a goddess. I have never heard a single song from them that I don't like. They sound great live but don't forget their Official Music Videos. "Teacher Teacher" and "Home Back" are must see videos Just keep going and the Jinger Army will follow along. Enjoy !
Its always fun watching someone go through the stages of Jinjer. 1. Anticipation 2. Surprise 3. Denial 4. Confusion 5. Surprise 6. Surprise 7. Surprise 8. Giddiness 9. Acceptance 10. Next video please Great video and analysis.
It's definitely Growling. I'm lucky to have a good range to my voice and I am able to growl wothout any issues. Even at the advanced age of 57 I still have no trouble with my range or the growling. I absolutely love Jinjer and can't get enough of Tatiana.
Thank you for this thoughtful, informed, and articulate analysis of Pisces! Fyi, Elizabeth Zharoff of The Charismatic Voice has in an upcoming video literally scoped the throat of Will Ramos (with his cooperation, of course), the lead singer of the metal band Lorna Shore! It's premiering this Friday on Elizabeth channel at 11am NYC time. Here is the link! th-cam.com/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/w-d-xo.html. She also did an extended interview with him, which is already up.
Firstly... I enjoy this channel! What blows Me away, is how Tati is minimally trained! Mostly all natural. Feom My understanding! Wow! I love every Jinjer reaction!
Great reaction and breakdown, I love your insight. Jinjer is an incredible band and Tatiana is a vocal goddess, one of our absolute best in metal. You need to hear them live, a great next one would be "Perennial" live at Wacken. She also has a really good one take vocal performance of "Judgement (and Punishment)". Enjoy!
The first drop is timeless but I love watching everyone (especially vocal coaches) get floored by the switch up at 12:08. That’s when Tati really shows her pipes.
Wow, I'm impressed with you so much. You are an angel and your taking on this song was just pure magic....I'm sold. The fact that you reacted to Jinjer like this makes me a happy metalhead!
Too funny. You're face flushed red immediately hearing her change-up. Love it. You'll get a lot of suggestions, but Perennial "live" is the one. Her switch ups are hard to believe, and note retention is crazy
Very insightful reaction, perceptive breakdown of Pisces performance ... entire band is top-dead-center on top of their game ... and, the vocals!! For follow-up, reaction to Jinjer's "I Speak Astronomy" is a must. Also, please permit me to suggest "Iron Sky," by Paolo Nutini -- worth noting that Nutini wrote Iron Sky!
No matter how many times I watch her I almost can't believe that she is for real making those sounds all by herself. No one who watches her sing is EVER ready.
Absolutely one of the most dynamic voices I've ever heard, the beautiful softer sounds and singing along with the growling Tatiana does is truly amazing! I saw them live in 2018 in a 500 person venue and it was every bit as good live as this "live studio" version. Loved your reaction and technical descriptions, thank you!
Damn, I was on holiday at a place where internet is very fragile when you did this! Great reaction; not quite what I expected (I thought you might be shocked!) I’m so glad you enjoyed it, it was obvious in your face 😂 All you need to do now is follow your nose down the Jinjer rabbit hole! Oh, Vortex is a really good next one 👍🤘🤘🤘
I was VERY fortunate to see them live and it was incredible! The way she's able to switch between the two voices in a live environment is something to behold!
I felt in love to this song, but not only in her incredibly beautyful and wide vocals. In all of the members plays, the whole composing, timings and melodics, too. This is one of the few songs i can hear repeatedly for hours.
Great reaction as usual. I hope you delve deeper into the metal genres. Its the most welcoming community of fans. The fans of metal have a thicker skin shall we say when it comes to analyses'. In fact it tickles them when you are shocked,surprised,appreciative or repulsed by a suggestion. They absolutely appreciate talent in all music styles and genres but are metal to the core. So in closing I recommend Ne Obliviscaris an d their song Forget Not for an incredible rollercoaster ride you may want to never end. Thank you kindly .
Thank you very much for the reaction, I saw your 2-part reaction to Floor Jansen a couple of days ago and was planning to recommend Pisces. Even with your research you were clearly unprepared, I loved it! I highly recommend Perennial live at Wacken 2019 to see her vocal abilities during an actual live show. I'm a boomer and not a metal head but still love this band also because they mix various other styles with metal and I actually had the good fortune to see them live during a period when small concerts in Holland were allowed again. An unforgettable experience. I added this to my favorites and will listen to it again and look forward to more Jinjer reactions!
Know knowing Jinjer for over three years, for me the first honest reaction. Others always try to convince me, they had no idea about her voice. Can be , but must not always been honest, to say.
The reason I keep watching reactions to this song is for that moment with the E5 belt at the end. That's when people who understand vocal technique tend to have their biggest reaction, and presumably for the same reason I did the first time I watched it. When she pulled that out, that's the moment I said to myself, this isn't just about a novelty or a gimmick. She's the real thing.
I did notice though that she struggles with that part in her live performances. Though to be fair it's to be expected after a couple of hours of this!
Agreed. That’s the moment I watch these vocal coach reactions for. It’s a quick switch from the growl straight into a great belt with range, and the vocal technique folks tend to notice.
She has mentioned in interviews that she prefers not to do the belt live, because she fears not hitting the belt 100%.
@@csgowoes6319 Yeah, no one is perfect. I have little to no personal experience with the metal scream/growl, but I wonder about the stamina it takes to keep that up for long periods. The gender differences in vocal tract are more about size than fundamental structure, so I would imagine it's similar for men and women.
guess im not the only one, most reactors miss it tho
“I wasn’t ready” it never gets old. Great analysis and reaction. Liked and sub’d. A good follow up would be Perennial live at Wacken 2019. Jinjer live is simply mind blowing. Enjoy your journey down the Jinjer rabbit hole. 🍻🤘
No one is really ready 🤣🤣🤣
not gonna lie when I see a reaction video for this song I have to watch to see how off-guard everyone is about her screams and cleans
Yes to Perennial. Then Judgement and Punishment
I couldn't agree more.
Just like everyone else I was waiting for your reaction, knowing that you're a vocal specialist.
My original plan for covid was to learn to improve my singing ability, sadly instead my mind decided that I needed to heal my childhood trauma instead & I have been sucidally depressed for 2+ years but it will get sorted & then I can work to improve my singing & I will have all this wonderful guidance from the youtube voice coaches I follow.
I haven't watched to the end yet so you may yet comment but nobody seems to have commented about how JinJer & their families as a band are from the Donbass region of Ukraine which is currently being bombed flat by Russia. When Russia first invaded in 2014 they moved to Western Ukraine, which is AFAIK where they are still based.
Given the Donbass is the heavy manufacturing area of the Ukraine, the interest in heavy metal seems obvious. Just as Detroit or Sheffield is big on heavy metal bands.
Tatianna has the voice of an angel.... as that angel falls through all 9 layers of hell and then fights its way back out..... And I adore it.
Since she's Ukrainian she put a LOT of work into her enunciation. Her accent is really strong but you can't hear even a morsel of it in her singing. Her tone and softness is insanely impressive imo cause she just learned it by ear
I love her voice. I can hear a morsel of an accent on certain words. I'm a connoisseur of accents lol and if you listen hard you can detect it slightly on a few words. Every once in a while she'll have an interesting pronunciation of a word too. I dig it! But overall yes she is very clear in her diction and enunciation, both in her clean tones and her unclean tones.
pitch corrected unlive perf though..@@ericpeterson7512
"I wasn't ready for that", "I didn't see that coming". Two phrases in 99% of Pisces reaction videos. Love it every time!
Except in this case its obviously a lie and she clearly knows its coming because its not her first time watching the video. Shame really. She can't even hide it, she verbally lets out that she knows what's coming on two occasions before the "surprise" and has the most obvious shit-eating grin just before she presses play again. I've seen toddlers that were better at hiding things.
@@Bla5turbator get a life bruh
Tatiana wins EVERY argument she gets in.
“Perennial” Live at Waken and “Pit of Consciousness” Live in Kiev are some of their best live performances.
Perennial live is great
@@andersstromqvist2211 who is gonna be the one live is better
@@andersstromqvist2211 yes 👍💪💪💪💪💪💖
Pit of Conciousness is so nasty. I love it.
name of the capitol of Ukraine is Kyiv
This was my introduction to Jinjer, and I'm a fan for life! Its' mind blowing how intense this song is at times, and yet all the band member are so relaxed. No one does it better than Tatiana. And the band, just amazing, the creativity, the timing, the lyrics, the talent, the amount of practice , just awesome. Amazing!
Watch her live to appreciate her vocal contrast. I recommend "perennial (live at waken)"or "judgement and punishment (vocal one take) " .
Great reaction 👍🏻🤘🏻
Yeah the judgement and punishment one take might be the most interesting one for a vocal coach
Definitely recommend "Judgement and Punishment" (vocal one take) to the vocal coach reactors! It's a great side view of her while singing/screaming and also a clean recording to catch vocal phrasing and nuances!
I love the concert stuff also. Often those are recommended either to prove that really is her voice (not a processed effect as some allege), or just because it is their personal favorite Jinjer song. Nothing wrong with that, and if Pieces and Judgement grab this vocal coach then I definitely think she should go down that rabbit hole of awesome live performances.
This recording is also a live session!!
@@MrErikchaugen yes I know erik but when they hear the layering added later some are questioning I’m saying hearing tatiana in front of audience is a whole different thing and the vocal one take I’m not hearing layering myself added later are you? Im just wondering🤔
@@SuperClarky666 I was wondering the same,but it really sound like a simple harmonizer or octaver,wich can be used live also!!But i would love to hear her live,as you are not the first telling me she is amazing live!!
The duality of her voice fits right in with the Pisces theme. The sign Pisces is represented by 2 fish swimming in opposite directions - sort of a split personality situation. Using the fish metaphors, part of her wants to be caught ( having an intimate relationship), and the other part is "skittish" due to past mistreatment by "callous men" and "handsome butchers". The "emeralds being ripped away" are probably her wall of iridescent scales which has to be lowered in order to achieve intimacy. As they say, "Once bitten, twice shy". One reactor said that her voice reminded him of his ex-wife's voice - before and after marriage. After this introduction, the recommendation is usually for a live performance, so you can hear her growls in a that situation, but their song "Home Back" hits pretty hard. for other reasons. It was written after being forced to leave their homes because of the fighting in eastern Ukraine, and how they want their homes back.
Well said. Great to see others write up the Pisces symbolism! ... The really sad thing about 'Home Back' is that many believe it's the current conflict the song was written about, but it was actually the conflict when Tati was a child... It's awful that they are enduring it all again.
shut up gray
@@thecassman Home Back rather refers to when the band had to leave the Donezk region and move to Lwiw in Western Ukraine because of the present conflict starting already 2014 in the east... since Tati is 35 now, she was hardly a child back then. ;-)
I'm a Pisces... love it..lol
You mean skittish due to all the bears eating her when she swims upstream at the end of the year.
English isn’t her first language and she has said she works extra hard to make sure she enunciates every word properly. She wants you to hear and understand her songs and not just see them as a gimmick. This is one of the most talented groups of musicians making music today and she truly appreciates the guys behind her make her even better and vice versa. They are crazy good!
that last scream with ''emeralds are ripped away'' always gives me goosebumps
The entire band is truly amazing. The amount of talent is mind boggling, and they all make it seem so effortless. Her song writing ability, breath control, pitch, etc, are all masterclass.
the Band is super technical and tight, then you have Tatiana is a vocal goddess...How she transitions from melodic to the growl and back is incredible. I am in awe....
I had the scales fall from my eyes (and ears) in 2019 when I first heard Nightwish. Since then I have been immersing myself in the European metal scene, starting with Symphonic Metal and from there going down assorted interconnected rabbitholes. This song in particular is a joy to watch pro singers and vocal coaches react to. Your reaction did not disapoint. Tatiana has plenty left in the tank for you to react to!
I have listened to this song hundreds of times. I’ve watched reactions to it just as many times. That belt near the end will NEVER not get me. I have to brace myself as soon as she starts with “Pisces swimming…” and just tense up until it’s over. I’m slowly been becoming a fan of this band over the past few months. Probably my favorite song of there’s is “Teacher, Teacher.”
Omg thank you for an honest reaction! Your reaction was so informative as well and as a Jinjer fan I cannot waiting for you to hear her LIVE. Tatiana is RARE.
Great reaction and analysis. Tatiana's harsh vocals are really interesting because they display aspects of both false cord screaming (low, open, dark coloured, growl) and fry screaming (usually high, bright, with high frequency static-y overtones) at the same time. To use an analogy, Tatiana's harsh vocals use false cord screaming like chest voice and fry screaming like head voice, and she can mix the two in various proportions. This is unusual because false cord screaming is done with the true folds held open, and its very hard to generate enough breath pressure to rattle the tissues that produce a fry scream sound higher in the vocal tract with the true folds open. Usually fry screaming is done with the true folds held closed enough to only allow a small high pressure stream of air through (the true cords are not used to phonate while doing this in a pure fry scream). It makes her harsh vocals pretty unique. She's a wonderful vocalist with a wide variety of clean and harsh timbres in her arsenal and the artistic sense to use all those tools in the right places to aid storytelling.
this is why It would be amazing if The Charismatic Voice could do another "Operation: Throat Camera" with Tatiana.
When I first learned what fry screaming was I enjoyed spotting fry screamers at gigs when their speaking voice into the mic came out much louder than their screams. It helped me to stop hurting myself doing the two or three backing vocal lines I had to do in my band too.
When I sing what I call death vocals, I am using almost no air and almost no strain. I can do it almost forever.
@@TheVocalyst you do need to see the charismatic voice video about Will Ramos's throat. It's Operation: throat camera with Will Ramos.
I sooo appreciate when a reaction to Jinjer is more than just "she sounds like a demon"... These are talented musicians, all 4 of them. And appreciating what she is doing and the talent she has is great.
I love that you checked out her speaking voice first to have a reference. Amazing band and wonderful people. Love them so much! ❤🔥
Are you here simping? 🙄🙄🙄😂😂😂😂
@@cooltechnician well, as for me always lol ;)
Next you need to react to “Teacher Teacher”. Thank you so much to reacting to them. They are the most unique bands out there and from Ukraine that we hear about in the news. Tatiana is so gifted and sings various musical genres in their music. You will absolutely love each suggestion because all of them will be great to see your reaction. Thanks again🙏🏼🌹
Wow so surprising.
Her natural singing is so warm and nice.
I love how in that last scream she seems to mix her throat singing with her high mix voice...how?!?!
I've heard people refer to it as "Double Voice" before, but It's hard to find a formal definition of this phenomenon. It's EXTREMELY rare from what I can tell. But you are most definitely hearing two tones in her last two growling segments. I have been questioning my sanity for the last 10 or so listens, but every time I replay it I hear the same exact thing. When most people execute a Double Voice type of effect it takes them more than one track to accomplish it. She is absolutely, terrifyingly INCREDIBLE!
@@krimzonghost1987this is a studio recording, and if you listen, the vocals on the verses are more than one vocal track. Could possibly be the same on the choruses. Lots of tricks can be done in the studio that can't be replicated live.
@@bradellington134 100%, there is multi-tracking for the vocals.
Glad you enjoyed it so much! I heartily endorse all the other people saying that Judgement and Punishment (live one-take) is a great one for vocal coaches to react to. Having said that, my favorite is still Teacher, Teacher (official video): it's just stunning.
The look on your face! 😂😂😂. Priceless! 😂😂😂
Please watch her in Judgment and Punishments 1 take live not the stage or official. Its amazing. You get to watch her neck and throat the entire performance. Would love to get your take on that performance
Nice reaction! Welcome to the rabbit hole!! Start at 2012 untill 2022! 10 years of Jinjer!!! Jinjer is the best!!
Tatiana has done a bunch of interviews. Even with some TH-camrs. If I recall the interviews correctly she has said she doesn't know any of the science behind it. She was inspired by another female screamer: Otep. Then just practice screaming at cars on a highway, and in her pillow at home for years to to learn how and develop her style. I think she did one interview on Loudwire on how she learned to scream.
"Teacher, Teacher" is probably my favorite song but yeah I agree with other commenters for vocal coaches and teachers "JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance" is a good one because its just her up close in a booth.
The whole band is so talented it's amazing
Jinjer just put out an album last August called "Wallflowers" and were set to tour with Slipknot right about now. Unfortunately the war in Ukraine started, which is their home country. The guys in the band were in Ukraine and couldn't leave so that nixed their tour plans. Tatiana was in Los Angles with her husband and has been working on some collaborations with other bands. Once the war is over I am crossing my fingers they come ROARING back (pun intended).
Roman, Eugene and Vlad have been allowed to leave Ukraine 🇺🇦 and start a European tour as ambassadors of Ukraine. It's sooo good to know they are OK.
@@TokSic420 I saw that, FANTASTIC news even if it is just European dates so far
@@BTAColorado they generally do the european festival circuit in the summer, then branch out to various continents from there. They are booked for a festival in Australia though.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Generally, yes. this original comment is ten days old, their cultural ambassadorship status they were granted to return to touring happened the next day. I saw that Australia festival announcement last night when they posted about it. SUPER happy for them, I will be there when they make it to the US again!
@@BTAColorado :) all good.
Even when you know it's coming...Still blows your mind! lolol
Welcome to Jinjer. As a vocalist you would love Tatiana's one take vocal of "Judgement and Punishment".
LOL. You only THINK you’re prepared for the first time hearing Tatiana. People literally make a hobby of watching first-time reactions to Jinjer, and this song is the best one to start with because it’s so Jekyll-Hyde. A lot of reactors have serious meltdowns. Julia Nilon just about killed me-in part probably because I’d only just heard it the first time myself, and had a very similar reaction. Anyway, great reaction and analysis.
You might want to check out The Bass Gang’s recent cover of Centuries, featuring Jonathan Young-he briefly uses a similar technique, and I gather he does more on his own channel (metal guy, 2 million subscribers). It sounds to me like he’s also classically trained-I hear a little of that from him at times. The BG members themselves are basses with extensive ranges and considerable talent. One member is currently in apprenticeship with the Santa Fe Opera as well.
FYI, this band is from Ukraine. Tatiana, last I heard, was in the US with her husband, but the men are in Ukraine fighting. I check in on their channel every so often hoping to find out how they are. They’re selling merch to help fund the fight.
PS, I doubt I’m the first to mention this but you look a lot like Annette Bening back in the day.
" Wallflower" by Jinjer also speaks to lead singer Tatiana's introverted side. The band has been around for 12 years now with different personnel, the most recent change being Vlad the drummer who is a classically trained pianist. The guys write the music and Tatiana (a self-confessed procrastinator who does her best work under the last minute deadline) writes the lyrics.
Tati's early role model for screaming was a female screamer named "Otep" from the band Otep. Check them out with the song
"Ghostflowers" and imagine Tati hearing a female vocalist screaming for the first time.
The song "Wallflower" portrays the band's different personalities and Tati's artistic side.
Watch her live, see her stage presence, hear her belt, growl, sing while moving all around the stage. The band plays behind her with precision. All of them together show their incredible talent. Perennial live at Whacken 2019. 🤘
Scream, growl, I think, especially when I hear Tatiana's last sound in this one, sounds like a panthers roar. So, I like to think of Tati as a roarer .
Never gets fcking old ! Every single time it is really fun to watch these honest reactions. I got into search box afters months again and find myself looking for more reactions lul. Such a nice tutor tho, well analyzed :))
Her belt on this song really reminds me of Ann Wilson of Heart. There's some layering on her voice to fill it out, but her growl is so deep and aggressive. I think you'd like their song Teacher, Teacher. It really shows her different skills. This is a Ukrainian band, by the way. So much talent in danger with the recent troubles.
In the 90's we used the terms "aggression/aggressive" then "dark" then "whine" then "harmonic". Each singing style seemed to fit into that. Alice in Chains, aggressive whine. Cannibal corpse aggressive dark. Queensryche metal harmonic. Jinger covers ALL the bases, so... Great review! Thank you
Tati the vocal goddess. All bow down.
jinjer is one of the best death style singers i ever heard and i been listening to this style since it was invented ...she has a great growl and completely understandable with good speed control and chorus like an angel...its great to see a voice teacher love it too
What a fantastic reaction and I especially appreciate your acknowledgment of the band’s ability at the end. They are all top-notch musicians who write interesting, challenging music. Plus Tati is a poet who is writing in a second language.
Watching you attempt to construct the physical vocal production in your mind's eye while carrying on a conversation was precious.
The words would flow but then the brain would give a nudge like "just think about the arytenoids... and what is going on in the posterior pharynx?"
A very good and entertaining reaction.
About 4 months ago we got a heads up from Elizabeth/The Charismatic Voice that she had arranged for a detailed laryngoscope for Will Ramos of the band Lorna Shore at a very legit lab in Utah (I shall hold off on plugging them only because I'm former faculty at another west cost med/dental U who has a similar lab, lol It's kinda like football fans, we don't cheer for the opposition, lol.) Anyway, that video is premiering this Fri June 10 on her channel. Yes, I know it's kind of clumsy talking about the 'competition' on a reactor's channel, but 98% of the time you folks seem to be much more supportive of others in your field (then we are in grant-competitive academia, or even worse in the private sector). You'll probably see the info in her community section, and you REALLY should see the teaser/trailer she has up right now...Will is such a real/down-to-earth/FUNNNY person.
OK, enough plugging other channels. ...But since I watched all the way to the end of the video and you'd mentioned wanting to see a scope of harsh vocal production, I wanted to make sure you knew that video was upcoming.
No spoilers, form me. But there's a hint at a very cool 'ah hah moment' in the trailer.
This is the best response to this song I have seen. Yes, the growl is super impressive, but the mixed belt is what really sends shivers down my spine. Her transitions are superb and everything she does is extremely musical. A lot of growl vocals are used for effect or to add aggressiveness, Tatiana uses every part of her repertoire as an instrument. I also like the way she transitions from a growl to a scream effortlessly - it's almost as if she is able to pitch the vocal effect.
If you go through Jinjer’s catalogue you will learn that Tatiana has a higher and lower register. But it works because the band create the music that allows it work so perfectly. She has very little do to with the composition but they know she can add to it. The band site lots of bands as influences but I would definitely say that Opeth (not forgetting Otep was Tatiana’s eye opening moment as it being possible for a woman to do extreme vocals). Opeth and Otep are too very different bands but good in their own rights. I hope Jinjer will be remembered for their talent and the fact they opened up so many people to metal in the way bands that Metallica, SOAD and Slipknot did (just name a few) because they got people interested in a genre that they would otherwise of thought differently to. I’m 51 and I honestly think Tatiana is my favourite vocalist out their now. People can argue and that’s fine, my tastes are tastes and what I like is just what I like, it’s an opinion. Music / art is not based in facts, so love what you love and enjoy it, be happy with what makes you happy (unless it’s auto tune in which case I’ll say you are wrong 😂😂😂😂) love, peace and harmony ♥️
Whatever Jinjer's level of commercial success turns out to be, I am confident that in a decade there will be a generation of musicians citing Jinjer as key influences. Looking at the more recent success of Spirtbox, I don't think they'll be alone and bands like Jinjer and SB are going to be the end of this, but rather just be the first steps in a new wave of metal becoming an influential genre again. And here's the thing, look at how successful Adele has been, and she's almost always singing about hurt and anger, but it's made pretty, sugar-coated, romanticized. I think when music historians look back on the last decade, they'll point to Pisces live session in 2017 when so many women around the world were really taking hold of their anger and the amazing technique on display waking people up to a new paradigm of music. Music that doesn't have to choose between beauty and the beast, between Adele and Arch Enemy. Rather it is music that can integrate the two ends of the spectrum and embrace everything in between. That is able to be beautiful when it should be, but to express hurt and anger fully when it needs to too.
Check out Lauren Babic, idk if you e heard of her or not. She does a lot of covers, Bad Romance is a good one but then she does some nice soft vocals in her covers of “Lovely” And a cover of the Gaga/Bradley cooper song (cannot remember the name right now).
I absolutely agree that Tati is in a league of her own, but you might like Lauren as well.
She is even more amazing live the entire band is what you can call perfect
I was in Dallas one time with a friend in a metal band, and they taught me to growl, that "discovery moment" you mentioned. Here's the steps they walked me through.
1. First, say something ridiculously southern and with a big exaggerated Texas drawl. We did "You got a purdy mouth." (sorry, lol) Maybe this is relaxing everything since southern accents are slow and drawn out.
2. Next, say it again but as low as you can.
3. Then, say it again but even lower than that. Lower than you're able to. I'm guessing this is forcing you to not just relax, but open the vocal chords. Keep them out of it. If they're looser than they have to be to make sound, then voila.
4. Finally, say it again like that but as loud as you can. And tah-dah, I made a noise I wasn't expecting to ever hear myself make and it was awesome. Didn't hurt either. I'd be curious to take actual lessons though since this was just "something a guy told me" and not necessarily the right way. It worked though and was a blast.
Very good analysis. I think you would really enjoy reacting to Tatiana's one take recording of "Judgement and Punishment" (subbed)
Tatiana is a treasure and the rest of the band is so talented and so together in producing this. It really is a team effort. That last transition by Vladislav, introducing Tatiana's last beast-mode segment, was amazing. One of the ways to know Tatiana is not being damaged by this is the fact that she's been doing it for more than 12 years and has not been harmed. I really enjoyed your reaction/analysis.
Metal... It will always spotlight the very best in musicians. Just my opinion and I grew up in the disco's '70's. To me it allows for the most creative directions. Love your reactions as well. You will do well here, and grow maybe faster than you can imagine. 🤗🤘🏼🇺🇦
Tatiana is a true gem, and so it the rest of the band.
Nobody compares to Tatiana. She’s best thing sense sliced bread
Some will whine that they prefer reactors not to know what to expect. Personally I enjoy it more when one thinks they know what's coming heehee. I see recommendations for both Perennial live at Wacken and Judgement & Punishment one take. Both are amazing. Wacken is very technical and will show her on stage and her mesmerizing stage presence (I've seen them twice) and at the end she talks to the crowd and you can see how out of breath she was which is mind-blowing. Judgment and Punishment has a lot of belting and is more focused on power, and up close so her technique is on display. Great analysis - subbed. Cheers!
p.s. your comments at the end make me wonder if The Charismatic Voice's "Operation: Throat Camera" with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore is on your radar. My immediate thought was wondering if she'd asked Tati. :)
One of my favorite belted parts she does is at the end of the Resurrection Fest video of "Captain Clock". Be aware though Vocalyst, that's one of their heaviest song for the first 3 minutes or so.
@@BTAColorado omg yes! that part is achingly epic
Something that I find amazing is her ability to maintain that clarity to her notes regardless of it's form. Both her sultry, seductive type singing in the beginning to the growls and screaming... How it's so well emphasized by that final fry at the end just wrapped it all together so well... Even after hearing the song numerous times at this point, I still can't really get over it lol.
Her one take of Judgement and Punishment is a great watch. I love this band!!
I just love how Bethany not only got great facial expressions but literally react at phisical level: her face became red and she got teary eyed from excitement. XD
When she switches to that belt, it gets me every time! So I'm not surprised that got so much of your attention.
I'm actually not a big fan of harsh vocals, but I do love her regular vocals, and the band is crazy good.
I'd say that the uniqueness of Tatiana's harsh vocals is the result of being self-taught. She wanted to sound a certain way, so she figured out how to do it without learning this or that technique. She said in an interview that in the beginning she felt disappointed with the whole thing because she sounded like a cow (😄) but she practiced and practiced and practiced (she didn't feel comfortable screaming into a pillow, so to avoid disturbing her family at home she started going to a nearby road and screamed at the passing cars) until she liked the sounds that she was producing and felt comfortable doing it without damaging her voice. With time she also developed an amazing breath control, as you'll witness when you react to Perennial live at Wacken 2019.
Also, another thing that differentiates Tatiana from other female screamers is the ability to make the different type of vocals fit the mood of the part of the song they're used in (like you pointed out in the belting part) and her dynamics. Many other female screamers either scream in the same register during the whole songs or when they sing normally, they do the same.
Like 549! 🙂
Every person in this band are so incredibly talented in their own right that together they're simply bananas ❤
thanx for your professional analysis of this song > one of the best bands I've ever heard, regardless of the musical genre
lovely greetings from a german musician and maybe next > JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment) - Tatiana Shmayluk - One Take Vocal Performance
please stay safe
Like Jeff says : judgement & punishment … some more facets of Tati. great song too
thanks for your reaction
Always pause. Always rewind. I ADORE hearing vocal coaches and teachers talk about technique and methods and the "Why" and "How" behind singing. It's awesome and I always appreciate music all the more for it.
All the artistry aside, I love how she clearly defined the mood of the verses, the first is all introductional and neutral beautiful, the second is already a step up , warning and more involving, and by the time the third comes she knows she's got you sucked in and plays the Master role, prepping you for the finale. Awesome dynamics by an incredible woman backed up by top musicians.
The usual easing in is to check "Perennial LIVE at Wacken 2019", a beautiful sample of their live performance, or "Teacher teacher", but since you're a voice teacher, I bet "Judgement and punishment one take vocal performance" is what you'll want to sink your teeth into 😉.
It's hilarious that you were expecting something heavy, and yet you were still shocked. I love it!
Never gets old man!That's why every few months I check for new reaction videos. Love Jinjer💖💖 Also love seeing people react to Floor Jansen,Viking Queen👸👸
We the metalheads call the growling " uncleans " 🤘🤘 I can do it for a while but I'm nowhere as good as tatiana is she's phenomenonal
This song was to show off the new drummer but went viral because of her voice. You should check out the chirsima tic voice where she had wil Ramos of Lorna shore do a laryngoscope, it will premiere In 3 days
@@TheVocalyst also check out Lorna shore first.
As everyone has said “Perennial” Live at Waken is a must for a great live vocal performance. Thanks for the knowledge and insight.
Tatiana is the best at using her false vocal folds. She transitions fast & perfectly from growl to clean. THE best..and she's so humble & fun. Welcome to tje Jinjer rabbit hole. I recommend I speak astronomy & Perennial for your next push into the Jinjer rabbit hole.
I've watched virtually every reaction video to this as obviously it is notably incredible . Your professional observations along with honest and sincere appreciation of what you were seeing and hearing got you not only a "like", but "Subscribed" as well. Genuine objectivity is refreshing to find , and you clearly show it. Great video ! :)
Such a great reaction and review, thank you. Jinjer are a really superb band, Tatiana is very adaptive in her singing and sings in many different genres, please check out, 'Perennial' live at Wacken 2019, 'Teacher Teacher' the official video, 'Judgement (and Punishment)' Tatiana's one-take vocal version, 'Vortex' the official video, which is one of the band's latest songs, for an earlier one react to 'I Speak Astronomy' the official video, they have a very large back catalogue.
They're from the Ukraine, the band are:
Tatiana on Vocals,
Roman on Guitar,
Eugene is the Bassist,
Vlad is the Drummer.
The men are still in the Ukraine, they were there when the war broke out, luckily Tatiana was in America with her husband at the time so is safe.
I love the face you made while hearing Tati's edgy rough vocals for the first time (she calls them 'extreme vocals'). I have done that myself.
Oh, you have to give this another listen, you missed something. This was not the first recording or the first playthrough in the studio. She actually has a backing track that is her whispering the lyrics underneath the normal clean vocals. She's not actually as airy as it seems. I think she also did another backing track for the low screams and maybe also for the high scream at the end. Obviously there is some echo effect on the mic at certain points.
And AMAZING, AWESOME display all the way around. This is a world-class band! :)
You have a million dollar smile. 😊
You went from my most favourite band in the world, Disturbed, to my second most favourite band in the world, Jinjer. I saw Jinjer at a friends place and couldn't believe the voice of Tatiana, they came to Australia and I did a "meet and greet" and it was amazing. Such talent, an amazing band and absolutely insane live. Like Disturbed they are even better live than on any album.
Tatiana can do it all, sing like Gwen Stefani, scream like a demon, and growl like a hell hound. Her vocals are amazing to first time listeners. The little known success is the talent of the rest of the band. Their timing, composition, and "groove" create music as unique as Tatiana's vocals. Awesome fit by all musicians.
The musicians deserve a hell of a lot of credit for the way that they subjugate their obviously stellar technique to the whole product. There are no histrionic guitar solos, no furious drum solos, just perfectly placed notes and a special regard for tone colour, timbre, that adds so much richness to the sound. Tatiana has a marvellous ability to suit her sound quality to the words, and the other musicians do the same. And isn't it so miraculous that a four piece band, live or in the studio, can produce such a rich tapestry of sound!
@@briancarter3840 Rush as a three piece always made me wonder that, but I get your point, these 4 musicians fit together so well - you swear there's 6 of them. 🤣
“Angelic voice” and I eagerly awaited your reaction to her chorus voice
You think you’re ready, but you’re never ready. 😃 And the band are all masters, and they play many different styles. Glad the boys are getting out of Ukraine, we were all worried for their safety. 🇺🇦 Judgement and Punishment one take is a great close up of her singing style. Great reaction, looking forward to more!
Your smile is so infectious !! Stay smiling !!
I really respect when singers and voice teachers value false chord and fry screaming. It takes so much practice to not hurt yourself. Thank you for that!
I love watching people’s faces when she switches it from beautiful vocals to death metal screams. It’s unreal.
Wow I've seen so many voice coaches & singers react to this song but this is by far the most detailed explanation of her technique and use of her vocal chords, job well done
It is so fun seeing someone, especially vocal coaches discover Jinjer for the first time. Probably because that is the closest we can come to rediscovering them ourselves. Believe me when I say that you have barely scratched the surface of what they can do. The musicians are phenomenal and Tati is a goddess. I have never heard a single song from them that I don't like. They sound great live but don't forget their Official Music Videos. "Teacher Teacher" and "Home Back" are must see videos
Just keep going and the Jinger Army will follow along. Enjoy !
Its always fun watching someone go through the stages of Jinjer.
1. Anticipation
2. Surprise
3. Denial
4. Confusion
5. Surprise
6. Surprise
7. Surprise
8. Giddiness
9. Acceptance
10. Next video please
Great video and analysis.
It's definitely Growling. I'm lucky to have a good range to my voice and I am able to growl wothout any issues. Even at the advanced age of 57 I still have no trouble with my range or the growling. I absolutely love Jinjer and can't get enough of Tatiana.
Thank you for this thoughtful, informed, and articulate analysis of Pisces! Fyi, Elizabeth Zharoff of The Charismatic Voice has in an upcoming video literally scoped the throat of Will Ramos (with his cooperation, of course), the lead singer of the metal band Lorna Shore! It's premiering this Friday on Elizabeth channel at 11am NYC time. Here is the link!
th-cam.com/video/Ua8SuWNPrLE/w-d-xo.html. She also did an extended interview with him, which is already up.
Firstly... I enjoy this channel! What blows Me away, is how Tati is minimally trained! Mostly all natural. Feom My understanding! Wow! I love every Jinjer reaction!
Great reaction and breakdown, I love your insight. Jinjer is an incredible band and Tatiana is a vocal goddess, one of our absolute best in metal. You need to hear them live, a great next one would be "Perennial" live at Wacken. She also has a really good one take vocal performance of "Judgement (and Punishment)". Enjoy!
The first drop is timeless but I love watching everyone (especially vocal coaches) get floored by the switch up at 12:08. That’s when Tati really shows her pipes.
Wow, I'm impressed with you so much. You are an angel and your taking on this song was just pure magic....I'm sold. The fact that you reacted to Jinjer like this makes me a happy metalhead!
Too funny. You're face flushed red immediately hearing her change-up. Love it.
You'll get a lot of suggestions, but Perennial "live" is the one. Her switch ups are hard to believe, and note retention is crazy
Very insightful reaction, perceptive breakdown of Pisces performance ... entire band is top-dead-center on top of their game ... and, the vocals!! For follow-up, reaction to Jinjer's "I Speak Astronomy" is a must. Also, please permit me to suggest "Iron Sky," by Paolo Nutini -- worth noting that Nutini wrote Iron Sky!
No matter how many times I watch her I almost can't believe that she is for real making those sounds all by herself. No one who watches her sing is EVER ready.
Absolutely one of the most dynamic voices I've ever heard, the beautiful softer sounds and singing along with the growling Tatiana does is truly amazing! I saw them live in 2018 in a 500 person venue and it was every bit as good live as this "live studio" version. Loved your reaction and technical descriptions, thank you!
Damn, I was on holiday at a place where internet is very fragile when you did this!
Great reaction; not quite what I expected (I thought you might be shocked!) I’m so glad you enjoyed it, it was obvious in your face 😂
All you need to do now is follow your nose down the Jinjer rabbit hole! Oh, Vortex is a really good next one 👍🤘🤘🤘
I was VERY fortunate to see them live and it was incredible! The way she's able to switch between the two voices in a live environment is something to behold!
I felt in love to this song, but not only in her incredibly beautyful and wide vocals. In all of the members plays, the whole composing, timings and melodics, too. This is one of the few songs i can hear repeatedly for hours.
Great reaction as usual. I hope you delve deeper into the metal genres. Its the most welcoming community of fans. The fans of metal have a thicker skin shall we say when it comes to analyses'. In fact it tickles them when you are shocked,surprised,appreciative or repulsed by a suggestion. They absolutely appreciate talent in all music styles and genres but are metal to the core. So in closing I recommend Ne Obliviscaris an d their song Forget Not for an incredible rollercoaster ride you may want to never end. Thank you kindly .
Thank you very much for the reaction, I saw your 2-part reaction to Floor Jansen a couple of days ago and was planning to recommend Pisces. Even with your research you were clearly unprepared, I loved it! I highly recommend Perennial live at Wacken 2019 to see her vocal abilities during an actual live show. I'm a boomer and not a metal head but still love this band also because they mix various other styles with metal and I actually had the good fortune to see them live during a period when small concerts in Holland were allowed again. An unforgettable experience.
I added this to my favorites and will listen to it again and look forward to more Jinjer reactions!
Watching musicians, especially vocal coaches, completely fall in love with that last section is always the highlight of these videos. Good content!
Know knowing Jinjer for over three years, for me the first honest reaction. Others always try to convince me, they had no idea about her voice. Can be , but must not always been honest, to say.
Fun fact that never fails to blow my mind, Tatiana is completely self taught.