I'd say Kreia is way more dangerious in the fact that she can and will turn on you if it suits her purpose. Revan just had a plan, a galaxy spanning plan that would've taken his entire life to complete if only he had more time.
@@PuppetierMaster Revan manipulated just about everyone too. He managed to make patriotic soldiers more loyal to him than the republic. Even Chris Avellone said that Revan had long surpassed Kreia.
I love how Canderous is basically the only sentient party member who doesn't basically cower and bow to Kreia's will, he still keeps his pride , partially because serving the Exile's interests also works to his own ends.
But he kind of did break. He lost his cool and threatened to gut her, even though his old pal Revan wouldn't have liked that. Kreia's teasing got to the man.
I once balked and asked the same question to a stranger woman, who seemingly knew things she couldn't possibly in 10 lifetimes have known about me. But she did...
Canderous is actually quite interesting, think about this. He fought in the mandalorian wars, he accompanied the man who beat him in the wars and saved the republic, he reunited much of the clans, he traveled with the exile (on the same ship), he encountered the Yuzang vong, and his mandalorian race was the one copied over and over for the defence of the republic against the CIS. There's actually quite a lot more but I'll leave it there.
@@hcansahin the wired looking asteroid he saw as a young blood that almost wiped out his squad before speeding off into the void is believed to be a vong scout.
Well, with Kreia, she made sure to elaborate on the negative consequences of any choice you made. A perfect example of this is when you give, or withhold credits from the refugee on Nar Shaddaa.
The best you can really get with her is a stalemate where you turn her questions back on her and attempt to get her to reconsider her assumptions on the circumstances at hand.
Yeah, really the best outcome is a stalemate with her saying something akin to "then you are wrong" when disagreeing with her. I wish that there had been an option for: "(Wisdom) It sounds like we're both of the opinion that the other's opinion is wrong."
Some of the very best EU, which is way better than any of the films IMO, has come from the books, but some of the worst trite has come in the form of books as well, so it's hard to make a blanket statement like that.
It's amazing how Canderous' voice drops a decibel when he's talking to Kreia. All that warrior code stuff he spouts suddenly doesn't matter when he talks to one who knows his past.
He should be. Kreia was KOTOR's Darth Sidious, and the person who trained his master, Revan. Of course Canderous feared her-he knew that someone that powerful could end his life with but a glare.
There was surprise, but underneath that, yes, there was definitely fear. Perfect voice execution by the voice actor. It is a frightful thing when another human can see right through you...
He probably was. One of the first things brought up in the game is Revan and a lot of people dont know what Revan did after he defeated Malak. Hell, people dont even know if he killed Malak to become the Sith lord again or for the Republic, so Kreia knowing something even more forgotten than that is a shock to Canderous, and a reason to be afraid from her.
I really liked him and his respect and loyalty for Revan. He basically accompanied the man/woman who beat his race to a pulp on an effort to save the very republic he wanted to crush, and then he still followed him without question and prepared his armies, but then Revan left him. For his own good, true, but he sounds so genuinely hurt about that, you can feel in his voice that he wanted to follow Revan till the end, I felt so bad for him, but I think Revan just wanted to save his followers (and the galaxy). Canderous is the Varric of KOTOR. I wanted to romance him instead of stupid Kaidan, I mean Carth... He's so much more awesome.
Kreia mentioned she is no leader, that her voice does not move others to follow. It does, but unwillingly. She knows how to appeal to Canderous' vice, his pride, and to his virtue, his loyalty (to Revan and the Mandalorians). Yet at the same time she ridicules that pride, citing the possible futility of it all. So when she tries to appeal to the two main arguments, his people's legacy and his kinship to the Exile, they fall flat. She constructed her argument appealing to a desperate need for honor, but at that point Canderous' mind was motivated by the resurgent tenacity of his command. So when she tries to shatter and rebuild him (a very Sith thing), not only does it not work but it makes apparent what she tried to do. She didn't know how to read her public and only managed to retain his loyalty through "placing a bounty" on the information she has.
Interesting. Kreia usually speaks the truth but here she just manipulates Canderous using his Mandalorian pride. To be honest Canderous stand pretty firm after Kreias accusations / arguments. That's something rare to see. That was he is doing is meaningful, is his legacy and who he truly is. No fear or pain can change that, yet Kreia exploit those to ensure that he will be loyal to the Exile.
You gotta admit Keira is a awesome character. Her voice actress and the person who wrote her lines are great. I would call it a Oscar winning performance if it were live action movie.
Kreia, one of the wisest characters in the history of the SW universe. I grew to love her as I played through more of this game. At first I just mistook her for a preachy old woman, but as the game progressed I came to realize she was not to be trifled with, even before I knew she was Darth Traya.
@@eamonndeane587 For me, Kreia is an all-time classic because of her cameo appearance in Zardos alongside Sean Connery. Which proves that both Zardos and Star Wars share the same universe.
If they've talked in prequels she would just call him stupid for being a slave of Jedi ideology. In original trilogy they would have a conversation about failures of Jedi, but she would hate that he had seemingly just one plan - survive and teach Luke. Sounds like something easy to fail and Kreia hated plans that relied on belief that the Force make things go their way.
@@fandomgod5990 Not knowing everything about what you hate is a weakness don't you think? If you know the ins and outs of the thing you hate, makes you most resistant against potential doubt.
Could "a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians" also potentially be a nod to the future existence of Jango/Boba Fett?
+César Dávila Right, whoops. Still seems more appropriate for it to me Boba who is the last of the Mandolorians, despite the inaccuracy of Kreia's foresight.
peterpkr Stormtroopers aren't clones. But I will concede that Boba was one, he was still raised by his father who was pretty much as Mandolorian as you can get though.
@@HavenCross I seemed to have had it in my mind improperly. However despite having the drop on him and tying him up, Boba was "deafeted" by Luke before he went on: th-cam.com/video/v4xKHWQckfI/w-d-xo.html Before Boba was killed by a blind person flailing around.
Its a reference to both. Boba was a clone of Jango. Essentially the same man. Both defeated by jedi, and easily. Jango was a shell of a man because he had given up his identity to all the clones while Boba was a clone himself. The words of Kreia are revealed in a way that enshrouds the truth in layers of truth.
Kreia: “Perhaps your people have faught their last battle at Malachor V and you have been dying ever since, a quiet death that will last for centuries” Me after watching the night of a thousand tears clip: P A N I K
this scene always creeped me out for some reason. The way Canderous says "How do you know that?" just sounds eerie mixed with the creepy music. This game gave me so many memories *sigh*
If it's a reference to Boba Fett, then Obsidian just put it in because they felt like it would be a good opportunity to reference the movies. Kind of like why Atton says that he "hopes some poor kid" doesn't use his "angel" line that he made towards the female Exile (which references Phantom Menace). Besides, if Kreia is talking about how the Mandalorians would eventually die off, wouldn't it be appropriate to tell Mandalore about that?
I am so sorry, I know this is 6 years ago but this is important. Technically speaking, Jango Fett was the last mandalorian, and died at the hands of a jedi. Boba was a clone - thus not really mandalorian.
I prefer it to be a mystery. People like it, and it makes people talk, and make mods, and talk about what COULD have happened. I think the greatest thing EVER for them to do, was RIGHT before TOR release, have kotor 3 come out LEADING UP to the TOR story ya know? That's my dream.
They will die a death that will last a millenia, until all that last, is their code, there history, and the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi
gcHK47 And we see them rise even more in Rebels. Several Mandalorian clans are shown to have united under one banner to push the Empire out of there space. Hopefully this will help the Mandalorians end their constant wars with each other, leading them to a new age of Prosperity!
Except neither Death Watch nor the New Mandalorians in TCW actually embodied anything about Mandalorian culture. Both were pretenders acting in name only. It wasn’t until Rebels that we finally saw a glimpse of actual Mandalorians worthy of the name.
@@Ultimaton100 Yeah. Clone Wars referenced a Mandalorian civil war that happened when Satine and Obi-wan were teenagers. In Legends, that war had a third faction, the True Mandalorians, that opposed both the ruthlessness and dishonor of Death Watch as well as the pacifism and neutrality of the New Mandalorians.
If Kotor 2 gave us something, was the great achieved illusion of interacting with such a company as Kreia (And well, the whole fucking game had its moments)
From the first line, it rings in my head how Arren Kae fought droves of Mandalorians in the War, and bested them. What does she have to fear? I like to imagine, however, that what she didn't do was participate in the last battle, at Malachor. Given that she is alive currently. Though she speaks of the battle in a familiar tone. Intellectuals such as her might have grown over butchering Mandalorians or such goals as saving the Republic. Why wouldn't she, for example, fake her own death, then go on a search for the full potential of the Force? And eventually she trains Sion and Nihilus, now well into her Sith teaching, who we know were in the armies at Malachor, when Meetra opened the force wound
@JediShemL one could also argue that her reference is that of clone/storm troopers, and how the legacy of the great mandalorians is reduced to merely ground troops easily slayed by jedi, the only thing remaining is the "shell" or the armour, unno, just the way i chose to interpret it, just to see how a great tribe of men only have their legacy to end up as mesley bantha fodder. *shrugs*
if you listen mandalores voice is canderous and if you start talking to him kotor1:yeah what do you want kotor2:yeah what do you want thats proof canderous is mandalore
Yeah, that was the reason Revan left, whether he was Dark or Ligh. He / she believed there was a greater threat than the Republic / Sith, namely the True Sith.
who is the greatest teacher in the SW universe (canon and non-canon universes) I don't know too many teachers, but I know that the handful that i do know are amazing at it
Blazer Hell I think Bane would qualify better as a student than as a master. I would prefer Kreia or Revan or Sidious as sith masters and Qui Gon and Ben Kenobi as Jedi masters.
I'm confused by what Kreia is talking about when she talks to Mandalore about one of his 'masters' and as to where he is. btw, Kreia gives me the hebbie-jebbies sometimes, lol.
@@Dantelor I did actually play the first game first. I think I just have really bad hearing then; but six people liked my comment so I suppose I’m not the only one, haha.
@@hyperum7862 Point taken! I don't know the voice actor's name by heart, I think he sadly passed away (iirc), but he had a very strikingly different voice; that combined with the fact that he is mandalore, it wasn't exactly detective work to figure out imo. :D
1:47 You know, it might not be Revan and Canderous that she's talking about there. Her description, "a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians", could apply to a certain someone else.
@originalstarwarsfan9: Either you haven't played this game in a very long time or not at all. This scene is seen automatically through the progression of the game.
It would be difficult to add a major plot point between KotOR 2 and TOR.. May be a long time, but not long enough for them to simply forget. Unless ofcourse Bioware were to add additional content to TOR to relate to the events of KotOR 3. I wish they made one, but I doubt they will. The most I hope for atm is a remake of KotOR 1
I miss the times when Mandalorians weren't two weirdos sitting in a basement, one of which told the next Mand'alor he can't be a Mandalorian because he took off his burka in public.
@JediShemL kotor 1 and 2 are two of my favorite star wars games.. if not the best ones i ever played.. its cool that you get to make your own choices as well
"Forget the Jedi, keep your eyes on her" LOL
Canderous just realized that Kreia is as scheming and dangerous as Revan.
Well, she was the one that taught scheming to Revan after all.
tbh, having all eyes on her is probably what she wants. She's the one sitting on her ass all the day long, after all.
More dangerous than Revan.
I'd say Kreia is way more dangerious in the fact that she can and will turn on you if it suits her purpose. Revan just had a plan, a galaxy spanning plan that would've taken his entire life to complete if only he had more time.
@@PuppetierMaster
Revan manipulated just about everyone too. He managed to make patriotic soldiers more loyal to him than the republic.
Even Chris Avellone said that Revan had long surpassed Kreia.
That moment when a creepy old woman starts talking about your life in a scarily specific way
@Samar3n ratio
I love how Canderous is basically the only sentient party member who doesn't basically cower and bow to Kreia's will, he still keeps his pride , partially because serving the Exile's interests also works to his own ends.
Kreia commands him like a dog and makes that very clear in clip you just have seen
@@tomatensoup190
True, but only because of the influence Revan had on Canderous.
But he kind of did break. He lost his cool and threatened to gut her, even though his old pal Revan wouldn't have liked that. Kreia's teasing got to the man.
@Austin McCanless *takes a look at Disciple*
Can you show me the clip where he protrays this attitude toward her? Cause it ain't here. She left him shook.
"if by 'apart' you mean scattered, broken and lost, then yes - you are correct.' Kreia's best burn of the game and she had many.
"How do you know that?" Gives me goosebumps every time.
I’m surprised it hasn’t become a meme or anything, it’s a great delivery though
@@itwontcomeout5678 give it time, it took over 20 years for Aurora Borealis to become a meme
I once balked and asked the same question to a stranger woman, who seemingly knew things she couldn't possibly in 10 lifetimes have known about me. But she did...
Every. Single. Time.
Same! The delivery is perfect.
Canderous is actually quite interesting, think about this. He fought in the mandalorian wars, he accompanied the man who beat him in the wars and saved the republic, he reunited much of the clans, he traveled with the exile (on the same ship), he encountered the Yuzang vong, and his mandalorian race was the one copied over and over for the defence of the republic against the CIS. There's actually quite a lot more but I'll leave it there.
ı didn't know he encountered the Yuzang Vong.
@@hcansahin the wired looking asteroid he saw as a young blood that almost wiped out his squad before speeding off into the void is believed to be a vong scout.
Mandos are a culture, not a race. The true original race died out generations ago.
Jose Ssegovia Well the same is true of the Sith.
@@nicholasavasthi9879 never said that wasn't the case ;p
"do you wonder where he is now?"
"bro wtf I thought we were just ribbing each other thats a low blow"
One can never win an argument with Kreia XD
Or bite their tongue trying
Or any woman
Well, with Kreia, she made sure to elaborate on the negative consequences of any choice you made. A perfect example of this is when you give, or withhold credits from the refugee on Nar Shaddaa.
The best you can really get with her is a stalemate where you turn her questions back on her and attempt to get her to reconsider her assumptions on the circumstances at hand.
Yeah, really the best outcome is a stalemate with her saying something akin to "then you are wrong" when disagreeing with her. I wish that there had been an option for: "(Wisdom) It sounds like we're both of the opinion that the other's opinion is wrong."
You know it's funny. In the SW universe, there have been times without Jedi, times without Sith, but there has ALWAYS been Mandalorians.
By the time of Boba Fett, there are few- perhaps none. After the clones were discontinued, Boba was the last.
I'm ignoring the trite EU.
KOTOR 2 is apart of that EU. And since you are commenting on a KOTOR 2 video, are you really ignoring the EU?
I said I'm ignoring the trite EU. Not the quality EU.
For instance, I'll take KOTOR 1+2 over the kotor comics and the legacy comics.
I'm not saying KOTOR 1 & 2 aren't better than those books. But I wouldn't call them trite.
But that's just me.
Some of the very best EU, which is way better than any of the films IMO, has come from the books, but some of the worst trite has come in the form of books as well, so it's hard to make a blanket statement like that.
The dialogue in this game was definitely top 5 out of any game out there
Kreia alone for how well constructed her dialogue is. Never a dull moment when she is talking.
@@punishedchad8733 also visas, she and kreia were just too good of a voice actors for that game... just so underrated
It's amazing how Canderous' voice drops a decibel when he's talking to Kreia. All that warrior code stuff he spouts suddenly doesn't matter when he talks to one who knows his past.
How did "his code dropped"?
@@JJoh4040 Warriors don't gut old ladies-they're poor sport. Canderous threatened to gut Kreia just because the old hag teased him.
Whenever Kreia takes her hood off, shit gets real.
Unless you mod it.
I always got chills when big tough Canderous said: "How do you know that?" He sounds legit afraid of Kreia.
How? He was simply alert and confused
He should be. Kreia was KOTOR's Darth Sidious, and the person who trained his master, Revan. Of course Canderous feared her-he knew that someone that powerful could end his life with but a glare.
There was surprise, but underneath that, yes, there was definitely fear. Perfect voice execution by the voice actor. It is a frightful thing when another human can see right through you...
@@JJoh4040 He was shook.
He probably was. One of the first things brought up in the game is Revan and a lot of people dont know what Revan did after he defeated Malak. Hell, people dont even know if he killed Malak to become the Sith lord again or for the Republic, so Kreia knowing something even more forgotten than that is a shock to Canderous, and a reason to be afraid from her.
"Do you wonder where he wanders now Mandalore? Why he gave you your orders, then abandoned you at the edge of the galaxy"?
That hit him too hard
I really liked him and his respect and loyalty for Revan. He basically accompanied the man/woman who beat his race to a pulp on an effort to save the very republic he wanted to crush, and then he still followed him without question and prepared his armies, but then Revan left him. For his own good, true, but he sounds so genuinely hurt about that, you can feel in his voice that he wanted to follow Revan till the end, I felt so bad for him, but I think Revan just wanted to save his followers (and the galaxy). Canderous is the Varric of KOTOR.
I wanted to romance him instead of stupid Kaidan, I mean Carth... He's so much more awesome.
Mass effect much??
Shame cause if by the slim chance Kotor 3 is a reality, Canderous won't be a part of it cause his VA passed away
@@breadmakesyoufat2403 what do you mean by VA?
@@jf752 VA is voice actor, Canderous' is voiced by John Cygan and he passed away a couple of years ago
Revan and Canderous were like Anakin and Rex. A reckless maverick Jedi and his Mando-esque #2.
Forget the Jedi, keep your eyes on her....
God, the dialogue and tone here is so great. It's so distinct from everything else in Star Wars.
Only now am I realising the magnitude of Kreia's manipulations. She got everyone :O
I mean, she is the Sith Lady of Manipulation and Betrayal after all, so yeah it's to be expected that she'd be a master of it.
Kreia mentioned she is no leader, that her voice does not move others to follow. It does, but unwillingly. She knows how to appeal to Canderous' vice, his pride, and to his virtue, his loyalty (to Revan and the Mandalorians). Yet at the same time she ridicules that pride, citing the possible futility of it all.
So when she tries to appeal to the two main arguments, his people's legacy and his kinship to the Exile, they fall flat.
She constructed her argument appealing to a desperate need for honor, but at that point Canderous' mind was motivated by the resurgent tenacity of his command. So when she tries to shatter and rebuild him (a very Sith thing), not only does it not work but it makes apparent what she tried to do. She didn't know how to read her public and only managed to retain his loyalty through "placing a bounty" on the information she has.
2:20 is always give me goose bumps.....
Yeah its creepy
+MarkFreeman50cal And it freaks out Mandalore too... "HOW do you know that???"
i love kreia. best game character ever
Interesting. Kreia usually speaks the truth but here she just manipulates Canderous using his Mandalorian pride.
To be honest Canderous stand pretty firm after Kreias accusations / arguments. That's something rare to see. That was he is doing is meaningful, is his legacy and who he truly is. No fear or pain can change that, yet Kreia exploit those to ensure that he will be loyal to the Exile.
You know at least Kreia never brought up to Canderous that the last of the Mandalorians was killed by accident due to a blind Smuggler.
Boba escaped the Sarlac pit.
NOT IN THE NEW CANON FAM
Confirmed Sociopath Well this game didn't happen either in Disney canon so...
Also, in the new canon, Boba Fett is NOT a mandalorian.
+Brendan right in the feels man...
You gotta admit Keira is a awesome character. Her voice actress and the person who wrote her lines are great. I would call it a Oscar winning performance if it were live action movie.
*Kreia
Kreia, one of the wisest characters in the history of the SW universe. I grew to love her as I played through more of this game. At first I just mistook her for a preachy old woman, but as the game progressed I came to realize she was not to be trifled with, even before I knew she was Darth Traya.
She's my All Time Favourite Star Wars Character for a multitude of reasons.
@@eamonndeane587 For me, Kreia is an all-time classic because of her cameo appearance in Zardos alongside Sean Connery. Which proves that both Zardos and Star Wars share the same universe.
1:30 YODA QUOTE. But it seems Kreia and Yoda would butt heads on how they believe in the Force.
+demonhunter5520 Damn, I'd kill for a conversation between the two.
But they would most likely fight because Kreia HATES the force more than anything yet she knows EVERYTHING about it
If they've talked in prequels she would just call him stupid for being a slave of Jedi ideology. In original trilogy they would have a conversation about failures of Jedi, but she would hate that he had seemingly just one plan - survive and teach Luke. Sounds like something easy to fail and Kreia hated plans that relied on belief that the Force make things go their way.
@@fandomgod5990 Not knowing everything about what you hate is a weakness don't you think? If you know the ins and outs of the thing you hate, makes you most resistant against potential doubt.
I love her whole "Great crusade" speech with all the details, and then, "But I do not to remind you of such things."
Cracks me up every time.
Could "a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians" also potentially be a nod to the future existence of Jango/Boba Fett?
Maybe if you interpret it as such prophecy is like that
She's basically throwing shade at Jango Fett.
Later on she predicts the last of the Mandalorians (Jango Fett) being "too easily beaten by a Jedi" (Mace Windu)
+César Dávila Or Jango Fett when he fell into the Sarlaac fighting Luke. Although he survived in the EU, movie canon can assume he dies inside it.
scapelife Boba Fett was the one who fell to the Sarlacc. And he was defeated by Han Solo. Not a Jedi.
+César Dávila Right, whoops. Still seems more appropriate for it to me Boba who is the last of the Mandolorians, despite the inaccuracy of Kreia's foresight.
+scapelife Boba was a clone, just like any other storm trooper
peterpkr
Stormtroopers aren't clones. But I will concede that Boba was one, he was still raised by his father who was pretty much as Mandolorian as you can get though.
2:42 the wisdom in that is so profound, mandolore went from anger to confused to cautiously intrigued.
i showed my dad this clip and he was like "that was better writing than the entire new trilogy why didnt they do this?" lol
Didn't happen.
@@chadkingoffuckmountain970 it did, he was really curious what this was.
The same with Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. It would have been a lot better than that crystal skull bs.
R.I.P. John Cygan.
I had no idea Solidus and Canderous shared the same actor lol.
Kreia has to be one of the most insightful and possibly clairvoyant people of her age.
Her power is knowledge.
"The shell of a man in the armor of a mandaloria, easily defeated by a Jedi" - Kreya foreshadows Boba Fetts death.
I think she foreshadowed Jango Fett since he was decapitated by Windu, while Boba was hit by Han Solo and fell into the Sarlacc pit
@@HavenCross I seemed to have had it in my mind improperly.
However despite having the drop on him and tying him up, Boba was "deafeted" by Luke before he went on:
th-cam.com/video/v4xKHWQckfI/w-d-xo.html
Before Boba was killed by a blind person flailing around.
Its a reference to both. Boba was a clone of Jango. Essentially the same man. Both defeated by jedi, and easily. Jango was a shell of a man because he had given up his identity to all the clones while Boba was a clone himself. The words of Kreia are revealed in a way that enshrouds the truth in layers of truth.
Kreia: “Perhaps your people have faught their last battle at Malachor V and you have been dying ever since, a quiet death that will last for centuries”
Me after watching the night of a thousand tears clip: P A N I K
Kreia literally called out Jango Fett from across space and time.
Sara Kestelman doing such a great job, she really fills that character with life.
Clan Ordo STILL LIVES !
All the way up to the Legacy Era.
this scene always creeped me out for some reason. The way Canderous says "How do you know that?" just sounds eerie mixed with the creepy music. This game gave me so many memories *sigh*
I must say, kotor 2 has one of the best stories of any game.
If it's a reference to Boba Fett, then Obsidian just put it in because they felt like it would be a good opportunity to reference the movies. Kind of like why Atton says that he "hopes some poor kid" doesn't use his "angel" line that he made towards the female Exile (which references Phantom Menace). Besides, if Kreia is talking about how the Mandalorians would eventually die off, wouldn't it be appropriate to tell Mandalore about that?
I am so sorry, I know this is 6 years ago but this is important.
Technically speaking, Jango Fett was the last mandalorian, and died at the hands of a jedi. Boba was a clone - thus not really mandalorian.
Kreia is ruthless as fuck, what a beast!
Kreia really should have had a mic so she could drop it before walking away.
Kreia is the best shit talker
You'll never win an argument with Kreia
TheMarker2015 L.S Lol She is my favorite she is so well written.
One of the best moments in gaming.
I love how condescending Kreia was. Mandalorian, Miraluxa, Beast, Servant of Atris, Fool. She cracked me up so many times XD
@nusucker: If you thought Kreia's powers were something else, you should see the powers she uses in the bedroom. Very, very powerful!
I prefer it to be a mystery. People like it, and it makes people talk, and make mods, and talk about what COULD have happened.
I think the greatest thing EVER for them to do, was RIGHT before TOR release, have kotor 3 come out LEADING UP to the TOR story ya know? That's my dream.
...And Canderous is a loyal beast,no matter not seeing an actual KOTOR III by now.But you KNOW this.
Krieas burns are hotter than Malcor V
I've never played a KOTOR game before despite being a big Obsidian fan, but holy shit, that writing is better than most of the SW movies.
They will die a death that will last a millenia, until all that last, is their code, there history, and the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi
Technically, Mandalore was right that the Mandalorians would rise again: The Clone Wars.
gcHK47 And we see them rise even more in Rebels. Several Mandalorian clans are shown to have united under one banner to push the Empire out of there space. Hopefully this will help the Mandalorians end their constant wars with each other, leading them to a new age of Prosperity!
Rebels is New Canon not Legends. What is said in the dialogue in this video has no impact on the New Canon because they are separate from each other.
Except neither Death Watch nor the New Mandalorians in TCW actually embodied anything about Mandalorian culture. Both were pretenders acting in name only. It wasn’t until Rebels that we finally saw a glimpse of actual Mandalorians worthy of the name.
@@Ultimaton100 Yeah. Clone Wars referenced a Mandalorian civil war that happened when Satine and Obi-wan were teenagers. In Legends, that war had a third faction, the True Mandalorians, that opposed both the ruthlessness and dishonor of Death Watch as well as the pacifism and neutrality of the New Mandalorians.
@@armorfrogentertainment whats the 3rd factions name?
Best monolog ever
That is some awesome story telling right there - sight nowadays we get only crap - and that is just sad.
You know what, I actually had no idea it was canderous
You mean before you saw this video where I have Canderous' name in it, you didn't know it was him?
"Forget the Jedi, keep your eyes on her."
If Kotor 2 gave us something, was the great achieved illusion of interacting with such a company as Kreia (And well, the whole fucking game had its moments)
From the first line, it rings in my head how Arren Kae fought droves of Mandalorians in the War, and bested them. What does she have to fear?
I like to imagine, however, that what she didn't do was participate in the last battle, at Malachor. Given that she is alive currently. Though she speaks of the battle in a familiar tone. Intellectuals such as her might have grown over butchering Mandalorians or such goals as saving the Republic. Why wouldn't she, for example, fake her own death, then go on a search for the full potential of the Force? And eventually she trains Sion and Nihilus, now well into her Sith teaching, who we know were in the armies at Malachor, when Meetra opened the force wound
@JediShemL one could also argue that her reference is that of clone/storm troopers, and how the legacy of the great mandalorians is reduced to merely ground troops easily slayed by jedi, the only thing remaining is the "shell" or the armour, unno, just the way i chose to interpret it, just to see how a great tribe of men only have their legacy to end up as mesley bantha fodder. *shrugs*
She Predict Jango Fett Death
"Forget the Jedi. Keep your eyes on her." Good advice! :D
Kreia scares me...
It's not just console fans that dislike it, its almost everyone who liked KOTOR 1&2. There is a reason it's free to play now.
if you listen mandalores voice is canderous and if you start talking to him
kotor1:yeah what do you want kotor2:yeah what do you want thats proof canderous is mandalore
Did you play the Old Republic? It doesn't come close to the story of the two KOTOR's but it's still a nice substitute.
Still, if you think about it, both scenarios sound strangely similar. She does make a reference to Jango Fett getting killed by Mace Windu at the end.
Yeah, that was the reason Revan left, whether he was Dark or Ligh. He / she believed there was a greater threat than the Republic / Sith, namely the True Sith.
She means Revan who left the known galaxy and left him behind
Man the dialogs in this game were something else…
Bow before Kreia, The Great Queen of Trolling!!!
i dunno why but i like the way Kreia speaks
THAT GUY IS Canderous??????!!! :O
omg so many familiar faces from KOTOR 1 :X
I love watching Kreia mess with people LOL
Kreia just roasted him.
kreia, before talking to canderous: "i'm about to end this man's whole career"
Forget career, "I'm about to end this man's self-esteem."
who is the greatest teacher in the SW universe (canon and non-canon universes)
I don't know too many teachers, but I know that the handful that i do know are amazing at it
Blazer Hell
I think Bane would qualify better as a student than as a master. I would prefer Kreia or Revan or Sidious as sith masters and Qui Gon and Ben Kenobi as Jedi masters.
I'm confused by what Kreia is talking about when she talks to Mandalore about one of his 'masters' and as to where he is.
btw, Kreia gives me the hebbie-jebbies sometimes, lol.
got to hand it to kreia..
she can take over everyones minds and heads.. to the exile.. i would serve under darth traya any day!!
Kreia is the best!!! i love that old woman!
Since Kreia can see into the future, she might also be talking about Boba Fett.
I love how people like you always say they are idiots then they deliever on amazing games then you love em again. : )
Revan went in search of a way to save the republic from an unknown danger that has yet 2 come
How can you play this game and not figure out that Canderous is the new Mandalore?
Shem L This scene isn’t about that. It’s about the audience learning that Kreia knows who Canderous is and what his past is.
@@1tridentman Isn't this scene the big reveal that the Mandalore is Canderous? The game doesn't tell you about that until this point.
@@hyperum7862 If you played the first game you can recognize his voice immediately though.
@@Dantelor I did actually play the first game first. I think I just have really bad hearing then; but six people liked my comment so I suppose I’m not the only one, haha.
@@hyperum7862 Point taken! I don't know the voice actor's name by heart, I think he sadly passed away (iirc), but he had a very strikingly different voice; that combined with the fact that he is mandalore, it wasn't exactly detective work to figure out imo. :D
1:47 You know, it might not be Revan and Canderous that she's talking about there. Her description, "a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians", could apply to a certain someone else.
obviously she is talking about Rico Suave
well we now know that revan left right after canderous became mandalore
It was interesting to see Kreia without her hood...
Besides Boba is not the last Mandalorian. And he knows it.
@originalstarwarsfan9: Either you haven't played this game in a very long time or not at all. This scene is seen automatically through the progression of the game.
Hk you are still functioning?.
It would be difficult to add a major plot point between KotOR 2 and TOR.. May be a long time, but not long enough for them to simply forget. Unless ofcourse Bioware were to add additional content to TOR to relate to the events of KotOR 3.
I wish they made one, but I doubt they will. The most I hope for atm is a remake of KotOR 1
So JediShemL, what do you think of the new Old Republic game coming out?
Finally someone who agrees with me.
That's what makes her so awesome. The whole effing game was just her using you. The WHOLE THING.
Yeah, taunting a Mandalorian is a bad enough idea, but taunting them of their future is even worse.
I miss the times when Mandalorians weren't two weirdos sitting in a basement, one of which told the next Mand'alor he can't be a Mandalorian because he took off his burka in public.
That's not Canon, Fenn Shysa is Mand'alore
Revan went searching for True Sith in the Unknown Regions.
did u know she was talking about jango fett and master windu when she talked about being the last of the mandalorians
@JediShemL kotor 1 and 2 are two of my favorite star wars games.. if not the best ones i ever played.. its cool that you get to make your own choices as well
Never mind. I found a tutorial on Lucasforums. Guess it was a lot easier than I thought.