KotOR 2 TSLRCM: Mandalore Informs Visas About Revan's Plan (Light Side Revan)

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  • This scene is exclusive to The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod (TSLRCM). If you have the mod installed in your KotOR 2 game, after defeating Darth Nihilus on the Ravager, Mandalore/Canderous would tell Visas about Revan's plan of departing to the Unknown Regions.
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  • @EnderHeart5911
    @EnderHeart5911 8 ปีที่แล้ว +479

    Canderous just sounds so... sad.

    • @Siegberg91
      @Siegberg91 7 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      After endless blood sheat is just not the same anymore. The young mandorlore people are over motivated to get honor and a good fight but the older know that you someday need to seetle with what you archived after all lose ends are finished.

    • @davidhatcher7016
      @davidhatcher7016 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ikr

    • @Adrian_Franco
      @Adrian_Franco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah the voice acting in this game is pretty great to say the least.

    • @Boskov01
      @Boskov01 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      7 year old post but still feel the need to comment.
      Yeah, he does sound saddened. He's physically wounded for starters, albeit minorly. Plus he remembers what Revan told him about how his people, the Mandalorians, were used as pawns, brought low and practically sacrificed for the Sith in a bid to conquer the galaxy, or at least weaken the Republic for the Sith's eventual invasion. They were just tossed away like cannon fodder. Imagine how if so many of your friends and family were sacrificed like that. Canderous, now the leader of his people, is practically weeping for his people.

    • @coruscant100
      @coruscant100 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Consider this. Canderous' people were used like puppets for a war to weaken the Jedi and the Republic. They died believing they were fighting for a greater glory and as warriors. Instead, their lives were just disposable and they died for nothing. They were broken and lost virtually everything. Their leaders, their own brothers, and their spirit; all gone for a cause that gained them nothing but a slow death. Canderous is desperately trying to rebuild his people and try to make them regain their glory and spirit again. He weeps and expresses sorrow for those who were used.

  • @jerry4125
    @jerry4125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The way he sounds at "you sound like Revan... at the end" and "and I always follow orders" makes me feel so bad for him. Canderous sounds like he genuinely misses Revan and is upset that he couldn't go with him, maybe he's even concerned. The fact that he is always pretty stoic definitely adds up to the emotional componentof this. This scene alone made me like his character so much more. The voice actor did such a good job.

  • @ronvolz8241
    @ronvolz8241 6 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    So, Revan went to battle the greatest evil to have ever exsisted... Alone...

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      That's so un-Revan like.

    • @54lolman
      @54lolman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@HolyknightVader999 *SPOILER WARNING*
      In the book the story goes more along the lines of him trying to find this great evil with T3, get intercepted by Lord Scourge, be taken prisoner by a member of the dark council who knew about revan, interrogated for years, jedi exile brings T3 to investigate, finds the Sith Empire, learns about Revan's fate, allies with lord scourge (who actually believed revan had the ability to defeat the emperor especially with the exile at his side), frees revan and gives him back his mask, Revan reborn is unlocked (revan with all his memories back due to putting his mask back on like with HK when he regained his memory back in KOTOR), tricks/fights the imperial guards outside the emperor's chamber, revan goes mono a mono with the emperor, puts up a fight, gets ass kicked, emperor destroys T3 due to T3 firing a flamethrower at him via close range, revan watches this while on the ground, RIP T3, Scourge and Exile link up with Revan for final fight with emperor, The Force opens up to Scourge due to pivotal moment in history, Scourge witnesses a thousand endings to the fight all equally uncertain that they will happen, Scourge then concentrates deeper, Sees an outcome that has a high chance of occurring where a specific jedi in the future actually defeats the emperor, scourge goes back to real time, stabs and kills the exile through the back, emperor knocks out revan, scourge uses +10 charisma to lie his way past the emepror, revan taken prisoner by the emperor, and Lord Scourge is made an immortal servant of the emperor who is in constant pain for the first hundred years or so.

    • @FromTheHood
      @FromTheHood 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Stealthyhunter written by a guy who works for BW to suit their failed mmo.

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      BobiFromTheHoodJeLud yea a failed novel goes along well with a failed mmo

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      HolyknightVader999 that's so Revan like

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 4 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    Mandalore during KOTOR: "I always follow orders. Revan will have his/her army and we will get payback against the Sith for manipulating our people."
    Mandalore during SWTOR: "LOL Time to get back to winning the Sith's wars for them!"

    • @DarkApe117
      @DarkApe117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait i havent plated SWTOR. Is Canderous Ordo/Mandalore the preserver in it?

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@DarkApe117 SWTOR takes place 300 years after the KotOR games, so Canderous is not the Mandalore in SWTOR, nor does he appear in the game.

    • @blobber51
      @blobber51 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@Leilukin they totally screwed up all of kotor’s story, especially when it comes to the companions.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Leilukin You'd think they'd stay loyal to a promise that was made by one of their Mandalores. Turns out, the Mandos' memory is short.
      Well, at least the Republic and Zakuul tear them a new asshole to breathe through for their betrayal of Canderous' promise.

    • @varenshan7731
      @varenshan7731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      300 years is a long time.

  • @Whoami691
    @Whoami691 7 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    "Good soldiers follow orders...."

    • @hellonearthiii4671
      @hellonearthiii4671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      “Good soldiers follow orders..”

    • @harmonyovabraxas5556
      @harmonyovabraxas5556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hellonearthiii4671 "...Good soldiers follow orders"

    • @zombry2178
      @zombry2178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Good soldiers follow orders"

    • @MDE_never_dies
      @MDE_never_dies 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good follow soldiers orders

  • @SuperRegic
    @SuperRegic 9 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    The description of the 'looming threat' sounds so much more monstrous and threatening than what we got in swtor (not that I dislike swtor I actually think it's pretty good, if underwhelming.) Personally I would have written the 'true sith' as separate from the returning empire, something lovecraftian, like Nihilus but cranked up to eleven or something. The empire that returns has the sith we see in the mmo but they're just as threatened by the true sith as the rest of the galaxy.

    • @rocknrollguru23
      @rocknrollguru23 8 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      +SuperRegic I dunno, I thought a lot of that stuff was pretty bad. Revan being imprisoned for 300 years and then becoming cartoonishly evil never sat well with me. I kind of ignore SWTOR.

    • @TheDutchGhost
      @TheDutchGhost 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      I am rather sad that we never got a KOTOR3. Lucasarts back then could still have made a Star Wars MMO set in the now 'Legends" Old Republic timeline, for example during the New Sith Wars (look it up) when there were plenty of Sith lords and their army and the republic had to abandon territory and was nearly absent (and this period lasted a thousand years, plenty of room for loads of Jedi player characters and their adventures)
      Had KOTOR3 been released there would have been this nice self contained saga like the original trilogy.
      And I would also have liked to have seen something out of the norm as the true Sith. Oh there would still be a regular Sith army, Sith navy, perhaps super weapons for the republic armed forces to mettle against, but these would be 'physical distractions', the real battle being this war against a society that was completely Sith, not just the Sith lords and their adepts, but everyone, from the "middle class" (traders, soldiers, technicians), to even the slaves.
      They all followed the Sith doctrine, truly believing in it.
      And all this believe would be fueling something powerful (the suggested Lovecraftian monstrosity perhaps).
      The conflict would not just be the Jedi and republic against the Sith, but also a war against conversion, to stop the true Sith from converting everyone in the galaxy to their beliefs, to make the galaxy finally fall into darkness and make the light fade away.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I would have wanted the Sith Empire to co-opt some of the art designs from the Tales of the Jedi comics. Their tech was so arcane and magical, it almost was akin to Rakatan tech. But instead, it was just the ancestor of Palpatine's Galactic Empire, down to the point where their troops look like Darth Vader, and they explained this by saying that Palpatine based his empire on Vitiate's designs. Whatever happened to those battlecruisers that can darken suns from Tales of the Jedi?

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +rocknrollguru23
      I would have made it so that Revan comes back as pragmatic evil, kind of like his Mandalorian Wars self. He takes over the Republic as Acting Chancellor after the death or retirement of Chancellor Janarus, and he slowly slides back into darkness as he starts employing the same tactics that won him the Mandalorian wars. The Republic becomes increasingly apathetic and it begins to care less about collateral damage, but it becomes more effective in winning the war against the True Sith at the cost of innocent lives. Revan's genius would lead the Republic to victory, from Corellia, to Ilum, to even at Dromund Kaas, where he helps spearhead the assault that ends with the Jedi Knight killing the Sith Emperor. Down to the point where the Sith Empire would collapse within one standard year by the start of the Hutt Cartel DLC-that would all be the result of Revan's genius.
      But you'd also see the Republic transform slowly into a dark parody of the Sith Empire. The Republic officers start wearing the same uniforms as Revan's Sith Empire, and the new Republic Trooper uniforms are similar to the Sith uniforms from the Jedi Civil War. Chancellor Revan makes dispensations for Grey and Dark Jedi who serve him to act within the Republic as his enforcers, giving them extralegal authority to enforce his regime while disregarding the laws of the Republic. Strike forces made up of HK droids and Mandalorian Preservers start "visiting" people who protest against Revan's regime, and those folks are never heard of again. The new ships that Revan makes the Republic roll out are more reminiscent of the Sith warships he used back in the Jedi Civil War. He would have the Jedi Exile (who also survived as a captive of the Emperor and who also got rescued) lead a squad of specially-trained Sith who drain life, going around to capture and torture enemy Sith into serving Revan. Eventually, the only difference between the Republic and the Sith Empire by that point will be that the Republic is efficient. The Republic only has one dark sovereign ruling them, while the Sith Empire has a whole Dark Council arguing over power now that the Emperor left them.
      The Jedi would excuse these changes as necessities for victory, but it's clear from how Revan is running the Republic that it's definitely not what it used to be. But it is effective at driving the Sith Empire back, and it takes less casualties from Zakuul's assaults than the Sith Empire does, thanks to Revan's superior management.
      The Zakuul DLCs also mention how the Republic became more efficient at the cost of bureaucracy and "soul", and I would explain that away as Revan running the Republic as a dictatorship, where any dissent, be it from the Jedi, the military, or the citizenry, is quickly silenced. He'd control the Jedi Order through Satele, he'd put HK-47 in charge of the military, and he'd have G0-T0 run smuggler criminal ops to undermine the Sith. He'd also help the Outlander fight Zakuul in exchange for helping him kill the Sith Emperor. The war with Zakuul becomes known as the "War of three Darths", with Darth Revan turning the Republic into a dictatorship, Darth Vitiate ruling Zakuul as Valkorion, and the Sith Empire electing a new Emperor who obviously wouldn't be someone as inexperienced as Acina.

    • @snowboi7980
      @snowboi7980 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      For some reason the ‘evil that couldn’t be comprehended’ made me think of the Yuuzang Vong rather than the Sith Emperor.

  • @Mira-K
    @Mira-K 4 ปีที่แล้ว +631

    So much potential, wasted... All this setup, all this foreboding, and then we got... what we got. SWTOR I like as a self-cointained game, but Revan and Exile deserved so much better story...

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Mira
      Agreed

    • @LeftytheGansterGremlin
      @LeftytheGansterGremlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      I love SWTOR but... I kinda have to agree. Canderous clearly had dread in his voice. All the foreboding mystery... Gone. Replaced by a precurssor to Palpatine's Empire.
      Canderous made it sound like an eldritch, lovecraftian horror coming to the galaxy. That there were things more frightening than Nihlus.

    • @54lolman
      @54lolman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@LeftytheGansterGremlin At the very least, should have made the Emperor even more terrifying especially with his machinations.

    • @lukepriefer7444
      @lukepriefer7444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nicolas Charron the vong perhaps

    • @LeftytheGansterGremlin
      @LeftytheGansterGremlin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@lukepriefer7444 Oh yes. Maybe KoToR 3 could've been the war that the Vong lost, so they retreated back to the unknown regions so they could have their revenge on the Galaxy in Luke's Time.
      I personally would hope for a new threat altogether, but the Vong were something else.

  • @perrycarters3113
    @perrycarters3113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    What breaks me is that they were obviously setting up a KOTOR 3 and instead we got The Old Republic.
    It's not bad to be fair, but it just feels so much less personal.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    1:47
    "And I always follow orders......"
    "Good soldiers follow orders......."
    It's like poetry, it rhymes.

  • @zmr3352
    @zmr3352 6 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    It seems like they had at least a half way decent premise for the 3rd KOTOR. We would of met up with Revan again and destroyed the incomprehensible evil that Mandalore refers to here. Maybe one day we'll see what he is talking about. It's a huge shame that Mandalore's voice actor, John Cygan, passed away last year. It would be badass to see Mandalore and all the other characters from both KOTOR 1 and 2 unite to fight in KOTOR 3 if it ever happens. I still have hope.

    • @superdracolosse90
      @superdracolosse90 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, with swtor we know what this premise is, actually, with Knights of the Fallen Empire and Knights of the Eternal Throne, I know there's a lot of hate on swtor but I really enjoyed all of this

    • @asheer9114
      @asheer9114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      As long as Star Wars games will remain in EA's claws you can forget about not only KOTOR 3 but any Single player game which they wouldn't be able to turn on in to $ lockbox $ fiiesta.

    • @carlosrfonseca
      @carlosrfonseca 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      This being an Obsidian game, probably the story was planned for a much bigger game, but as usual they ran out of time, and money, and we only got half of it (see also Fallout New Vegas, which, to be fair is complete-ish, but is a crashtastic buggy mess).
      I mean, now that Microsoft owns Obsidian, they finally have the resources to do it, but it'll be a very cold day in hell before Disney allows that to happen.
      Also, remember that while George Lucas did accept things outside of the films to be canonical, I'm not sure Disney even considers the non-Disney films to be canonical...
      Which is a shame, really.

    • @darkchris66
      @darkchris66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Old Republic and the Novel answers your questions.
      The answer was The True Sith.

    • @ThePlayer920
      @ThePlayer920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@darkchris66 No! Sweet Christ, no! I'd sooner accept a .44 to the head than those abominations as canon

  • @CorvusRedd
    @CorvusRedd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Damn this scene is amazing, even knowing the whole story from The Old Republic and how the True Sith Empire played out.

  • @sriramramesh5318
    @sriramramesh5318 6 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    "I always follow orders"
    What about that sidequest with Jagi?

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Canderous was ordered to win that battle, and he found an opportunity.

    • @nixlad
      @nixlad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?

  • @spartanq7781
    @spartanq7781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Honestly this is a far better setup than the Reapers from Mass Effect got post the first game. All without us ever seeing the terrifying threat waiting in wait.

  • @frostburn3736
    @frostburn3736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    "Good soldiers follow orders"... some things never change.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Revan: "Canderous Ordo, the time has come. Execute Order 55. Eradicate the True Sith!"
      Canderous Ordo: "It will be done, my lord."

  • @RyansFine
    @RyansFine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome! I just beat this recently, soo I can say the dark side version of this cutscene's the same, and thanks! This was a lot easier than replaying through the whole game just for a few scene alterations.

  • @Whoami691
    @Whoami691 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    AND THAT COULD HAVE BEEN KOTOR III!
    Instead we get that horse shit TOR....

  • @ladymantis
    @ladymantis 8 ปีที่แล้ว +136

    This is heartbreaking. You can tell he REALLY wanted to go with her to fight. I know the canonical Revan was male, but I always felt that with the female Revan, I thought there was an undercurrent of love for her because of how much he respected her and was devoted to her. Maybe I'm crazy about that last part though. I'd be interested to know what you guys thought about it. Personally, I've always liked the idea of a female Revan more than a male.

    • @Yoruyo.
      @Yoruyo. 8 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Female Revan seems more natural to me for reasons I can't explain. It's just one of those things that feels right I guess.

    • @dianaglz.3512
      @dianaglz.3512 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I ship them af

    • @Lucifronz
      @Lucifronz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Revan was never supposed to be defined by either gender. It's so you could choose whichever you preferred based on your playthrough.
      SWTOR had to fuck that up by making Revan a still-relevant character (or rather still alive), with a default face, voice and gender. All of the things Revan should not have had.
      Just another reason to despise it, I suppose. Not that I don't also love the MMO. It's got its good sides.

    • @Mira-K
      @Mira-K 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      What SWTOR and whole lore around it did to Revan, Exile (damn, they even canonised her name!) and companions was atrocious. (SPOILERS for those that did not read the book nor played swtor)
      In KOTOR 2 I had goosebumps every time Revan was mentioned. The whole mystery, the feeling that (s)he is present and preparing something big somewhere, the suggestions that Revan never fell but was rather well-intended extremist... That was great, I believed we're going to get great fight against the True Sith under Revan's leadership... Then from SWTOR we got only that not only all the build-up was for naught, T3 and Exile stupidly killed by the one we're forced to take as companion, but we're actually forced to kill Revan and HK-47 themselves.

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The original Revan was supposed to be female-one of the writers confirmed that their original canon ending would be female Revan going dark side but getting redeemed by Carth and dying on the Star Forge. Then, when the male Revan became canon, the Bioware authors had a hissy fit by making the male Revan nutty as a crackhouse and making Satele the new Jedi hero-she had Revan's blood, Bastila's fighting style and voice, and she was the new hope of the Jedi Order, female Revan reborn as the new hope, while male Revan became the Sith Emperor's chew toy and got killed by Imperial players.

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I would have made it so that Revan comes back in SWTOR as pragmatic evil, kind of like his Mandalorian Wars self. He takes over the Republic as Acting Chancellor after the death or retirement of Chancellor Janarus, and he slowly slides back into darkness as he starts employing the same tactics that won him the Mandalorian wars. The Republic becomes increasingly apathetic and it begins to care less about collateral damage, but it becomes more effective in winning the war against the True Sith at the cost of innocent lives. Revan's genius would lead the Republic to victory, from Corellia, to Ilum, to even at Dromund Kaas, where he helps spearhead the assault that ends with the Jedi Knight killing the Sith Emperor. Down to the point where the Sith Empire would collapse within one standard year by the start of the Hutt Cartel DLC-that would all be the result of Revan's genius.
    But you'd also see the Republic transform slowly into a dark parody of the Sith Empire. The Republic officers start wearing the same uniforms as Revan's Sith Empire, and the new Republic Trooper uniforms are similar to the Sith uniforms from the Jedi Civil War. Chancellor Revan makes dispensations for Grey and Dark Jedi who serve him to act within the Republic as his enforcers, giving them extralegal authority to enforce his regime while disregarding the laws of the Republic. Strike forces made up of HK droids and Mandalorian Preservers start "visiting" people who protest against Revan's regime, and those folks are never heard of again. The new ships that Revan makes the Republic roll out are more reminiscent of the Sith warships he used back in the Jedi Civil War. He would have the Jedi Exile (who also survived as a captive of the Emperor and who also got rescued) lead a squad of specially-trained Sith who drain life, going around to capture and torture enemy Sith into serving Revan. Eventually, the only difference between the Republic and the Sith Empire by that point will be that the Republic is efficient. The Republic only has one dark sovereign ruling them, while the Sith Empire has a whole Dark Council arguing over power now that the Emperor left them.
    The Jedi would excuse these changes as necessities for victory, but it's clear from how Revan is running the Republic that it's definitely not what it used to be. But it is effective at driving the Sith Empire back, and it takes less casualties from Zakuul's assaults than the Sith Empire does, thanks to Revan's superior management.
    The Zakuul DLCs also mention how the Republic became more efficient at the cost of bureaucracy and "soul", and I would explain that away as Revan running the Republic as a dictatorship, where any dissent, be it from the Jedi, the military, or the citizenry, is quickly silenced. He'd control the Jedi Order through Satele, he'd put HK-47 in charge of the military, and he'd have G0-T0 run smuggler criminal ops to undermine the Sith. He'd also help the Outlander fight Arcann in exchange for helping him kill the Sith Emperor. The war with Zakuul becomes known as the "War of three Darths", with Darth Revan turning the Republic into a dictatorship, Darth Vitiate ruling Zakuul as Valkorion, and the Sith Empire electing a new Emperor who obviously wouldn't be someone as inexperienced as Acina.

  • @thedude3065
    @thedude3065 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tenebrae feels so much more sinister when his name doesn't even need to be said out loud
    seeing both the Revanites and the Sith Triumvirate stage these devastating attacks that push the Jedi and Old Republic to the brink, knowing that this is only the tip of the iceberg of the Sith's evil, it's frankly terrifying
    I'm peeved we didn't get a KOTOR III before SWTOR
    something to FULLY deliver on this set up

  • @rigbyfrost7188
    @rigbyfrost7188 9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    so cool :D

  • @ibmm3358
    @ibmm3358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The True Sith Kreia was talking about was gonna be remnants of Naga Sadow's Empire. Naga used the Daragon twins to invade the Republic. Perhaps Revan and Malak were tricked by the Sith from the battle mediation and that's why they join the Dark Side?
    Welp, doesn't really matter now because of the Revan novel and SWTOR

  • @ronvolz8241
    @ronvolz8241 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Good soldiers follow orders..

  • @AA-jp9cj
    @AA-jp9cj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That war everyone talks about is the war of The Old Republic with Malgus, Sith Emperor Vitiate and all

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      akpinar okkes no not about the SWTOR mmo Sith empire copy and paste of the galactic empire it was more wayyyy more I'm pretty sure

  • @dart9435
    @dart9435 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    this is soo much better having read the book that explains what all of this meant. damn near cried at the end. It is truly the 'Tragedy of Revan"

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Dart Productions and then give Revan a horrible ending as well as for Meetra Surik

    • @shrilleth
      @shrilleth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the reran novel took kotor 2 and everything it set up, and threw it in the trash.

  • @jangtheconqueror
    @jangtheconqueror 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The tidbit that always gets me is the war of belief. I imagine the True Sith to be very different from, say, Palpatine, in that their beliefs are morally wrong but logical in and of themselves, and so very hard to dispute. Palpatine is very much a "power for power's sake" kind of guy, there doesn't seem to be any greater motive behind his actions. To fight the True Sith would be more of a battle of will than a battle of strength, although they would also be quite powerful as well. Like they believe in survival of the fittest, that the absence of conflict breeds stagnancy and corruption in the galaxy, and so the weak need to be weeded from the galaxy in order to breed progress. They would also believe in emotional freedom, because in a galaxy largely controlled by the Force, being true to oneself, one's beliefs and emotions is the only true freedom. You would be able to actually meet these Sith, learn about them and how they were shaped into what they are, you would see the sheer magnitude of their power and the invasion they were preparing. Just my imagination.
    I bet some executive with his sales numbers and ratings was the one who killed KotOR III. I read that pretty much everyone at Bioware, Obsidian, and even some people at LucasArts were raring to go on it, but it just fell through. Idk why they couldn't have done KotOR III and then TOR.

  • @reiiz9942
    @reiiz9942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    its was only a conversation but it what makes Kotor 2 much better than kotor 1.

  • @DarthWill3
    @DarthWill3 10 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Think you can get the male version of Revan for this content?

    • @ComanderScar
      @ComanderScar 10 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      not that impoirtant, all it changes is "he" instead of "she" ( i presume)

    • @pharlain
      @pharlain 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ***** same here

    • @RyansFine
      @RyansFine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ComanderScar Correct, even the dark side varient's the same

    • @ABFan-bj2uj
      @ABFan-bj2uj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. You have to ask Atton how long he has been in this cage.

  • @AdeptKing
    @AdeptKing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like to think that originally if Kotor 3 was ever an idea in the first place that it would have taken place a couple years after this game. Then we would see all the cast from both games come together to take on the "threat" that Revan saw. Since everyone from the first game that's met in Kotor 2 always says "Revan told us to strengthen the defenses".

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      AdeptKing
      Actually there were already plans and I believe The Exile, AK47 and T3M4 would've the starting characters and maybe new characters (a smaller group) would be playable. Revan idk

    • @nixlad
      @nixlad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@75JUNAKI AK47 lol

  • @arvi7027
    @arvi7027 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Good soldiers follow orders". Nice Mandalorian

  • @kentuckyfriedchildren5385
    @kentuckyfriedchildren5385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love kotor 2, only thing I hate is that I can never tell why I didn't see these cutscenes, I can't tell when I am supposed to, but the game is bugged, or when it's been cut or anything, it's so frustrating.

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have you ever tried out The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod?

  • @hahaureadmyname
    @hahaureadmyname 8 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I wish Revan had remained androgynous

    • @75JUNAKI
      @75JUNAKI 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      hahaureadmyname
      Agreed

    • @maaaaaap
      @maaaaaap 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      wasnt he male light side to begin with or was it decided afterwards?

    • @ThePoshboy1
      @ThePoshboy1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@maaaaaap Given that Revan was a character who was customizable in Kotor 1 and who's character was determined through dialog in kotor 2 then I'd say no (the old republic MMO decided that only one view of Revan was important), being androgynous or not doesn't really matter to me but the lack of creativity that TOR forced on Revan was irritating.

    • @user-tv1im8cw9f
      @user-tv1im8cw9f 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same

    • @rustyshackleford6874
      @rustyshackleford6874 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, and it should have been ambiguous if they were sith or jedi. Kind of the whole point of the character was to be a mysterious blank slate without much personality. KOTOR 2 let you choose the details about Revan and it's stupid that was undermined

  • @bacodenaus6866
    @bacodenaus6866 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    WHAAT??! MANDALORE IS CANDEROUS ORDO?!?!?!

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Have you actually played KotOR 2 and finished the game? Even without The SIth Lords Restored Content Mod, at the very end Kreia calls Mandalore Canderous when you ask her about your party members' future.

    • @asheer9114
      @asheer9114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I knew it who he is in the moment he started to speak during first meeting whit him on Duxn.

    • @wojtek1582
      @wojtek1582 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Leilukin Even earlier you can realize that he is Canderous.

    • @wojtek1582
      @wojtek1582 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I realized it during this scene: th-cam.com/video/lgCw2WW1VsY/w-d-xo.html

  • @inquisitorthomasdefinitely536
    @inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good soldiers follow orders

  • @FLASK904
    @FLASK904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ugh, it was so upsetting after I replayed KOTOR2 with the RCM. KOTOR3 should've happened, they could've made TOR as they wanted, but maybe they could've done KOTOR3 as a game in between KOTOR2 and TOR. Where Revan and Mitra go fight the Sith Empire and delay them till the Republic is ready, It would've been a sad game as at the end of it Revan gets captured, and Mitra dies, but at least it would've allowed us to say goodbye to the characters we loved by playing them one last time. Seen Mira again, Briana, Visas, Atton, Bastilla, Carth.

  • @Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio
    @Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good soldiers follow orders :)

  • @davidmarques5990
    @davidmarques5990 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    could this evil that lies in the unknown regions be the eternal empire?

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I believe it's the Sith Emperor. Before the release of any of the expansions, there were already Drew Karpyshyn's Revan novel and a storyline in SWTOR's vanilla game about Revan attempting to fight the Sith Emperor. There's no info about if Revan is aware of the the existence of the Eternal Empire, and I don't know if SWTOR writers have planned the Eternal Empire's existence before any of the expansions.

    • @RogueSith501
      @RogueSith501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Joao Ricardo The way they hyped it up and how frightening they made it seem. No, it couldnt have been the Eternal Empire. Bioware butchered most of the storylines from Kotor 2 mainly because most of the people didnt understand what they were working with, they never did enough research on what happened in the game and how its characters worked. Bioware simply retconned a bunch of story points in order to make THEIR story make sense. My personal theory was the Yuzzhan Vong.

    • @asheer9114
      @asheer9114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nope, It was pretty strong hinted that Revan feared *TRUE SITH* which at that time hid somewhere in unknown regions, not Yuzzhan Vong.

  • @smiley-ii8lo
    @smiley-ii8lo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so who made mandalorians attack galaxy? kreia? vitiate?

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely *not* Kreia. SWTOR's lore makes Vitiate or at least his Sith faction the one(s) behind the Mandalorian Wars, but Vitiate was created by BioWare, not Obsidian. In KotOR 2 itself, Kreia speaks of the True Sith, but Obsidian's original plan for KotOR 3 was different from SWTOR: www.vg247.com/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-3-story

    • @TheDarkLordoftheSiff
      @TheDarkLordoftheSiff หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Leilukin Ya, the way Canderous and Kreia speak of the Sith, in the settings they do and with haunting music playing, the game makes the True Sith seem far darker and more horrific than what Vitiates empire really was, especially when I pretty sure Obsidian said that the True Sith would make Nilhlus and Sion seem tame and weak in comparison

  • @taintwasher3703
    @taintwasher3703 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be fine with the true sith being the unknown evil if they didn't make them all goofy british guys with funny hats

  • @Vengeanceismine1960
    @Vengeanceismine1960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this part of the first game or second one? I am asking a question.

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The video title already states that this is from KotOR 2, meaning it's from the second game. Please read video titles and descriptions before asking questions.

  • @craignewsome2058
    @craignewsome2058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How do you even unlock this Dialogue

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As long as you have installed The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod (TSLRCM), you will automatically get this dialogue after you defeat Darth Nihilus

  • @rikosaikawa9024
    @rikosaikawa9024 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always played Revan as a woman. Exile as a male

  • @joshuaeasterby7408
    @joshuaeasterby7408 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Kotor 3 :O
    so a kotor game with the ultimate sith lord (Plaguise The Wise), (and an unkown character most likely).

  • @HolyknightVader999
    @HolyknightVader999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The original Revan was supposed to be female-one of the writers confirmed that their original canon ending would be female Revan going dark side but getting redeemed by Carth and dying on the Star Forge. Then, when the male Revan became canon, the Bioware authors had a hissy fit by making the male Revan nutty as a crackhouse and making Satele the new Jedi hero-she had Revan's blood, Bastila's fighting style and voice, and she was the new hope of the Jedi Order, female Revan reborn as the new hope, while male Revan became the Sith Emperor's chew toy and got killed by Imperial players.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Who was the writer who confirmed that "Revan was originally meant to be female"? I'd like to read up on that statement for historical sake.

  • @CaptainDeliciousPants47
    @CaptainDeliciousPants47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did he just said
    "She"?
    I thought Revan's Canon appearance was human male

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Revan can be a woman in the KotOR games themselves. Revan only gets a canon appearance as a man after the original KotOR games were released. Even then, that does not mean anyone should stop making Revan a woman when playing the original games.

    • @Evilriku13
      @Evilriku13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      there is an dialogue option in paragus II or whatever that starting area in KOTOR2 is called where you are able to answer if Revan was male or female and that is something the game remembers.

  • @Hemomancer
    @Hemomancer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does one acquire and install this mod?

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      deadlystream.com/files/file/578-tsl-restored-content-mod/
      Protip: Before you ask questions, use search engines first.

  • @sergioplazat3995
    @sergioplazat3995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    .........
    Nunca vi esto cuando jugué 😅

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not familiar with Spanish, so I could only figure out what you said with Google Translate, but if you're wondering why you didn't see this when you were playing, maybe it was because you did not have The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod installed.

    • @sergioplazat3995
      @sergioplazat3995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Leilukin Unlike you .....
      I understand you perfectly
      En español or english
      P. S. I never see that

    • @Danae_O
      @Danae_O 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Para darte una respuesta en español, esto es parte del Restored Content Mod, que restaura el contenido que no se alcanzó a integrar en el juego final por temas de tiempo (se obligó al equipo a apresurarse para tener un lanzamiento para Navidad de ese año y no se les permitió lanzar parches para completarlo). En Steam se hizo accesible por el Steam Workshop, así que básicamente es un mod reconocido por los desarrolladores como la versión más completa.

  • @renardjohnson5405
    @renardjohnson5405 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have to say Revan was a female for this?

    • @Leilukin
      @Leilukin  7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Other than Revan's pronouns (she/her for female version; he/him for male version), the rest of the dialogue in this scene is the same as long as you make Revan light side.

  • @Random_Person.-.
    @Random_Person.-. ปีที่แล้ว

    All this set up thrown aside for what ended up being a mediocre World of Warcraft clone that has done nothing but decline in quality since launch