@@scottkocienda4057 I have the same setup with the fanatec clubsport pedals v3, moza R9 and a secret lab chair and it is solid as a rock. not like a mounted chair but close enough. and it can be folded really low profile.
Hated the wheelstand 2.0 thos is much better. Everything is lined up, when braking it doesn't move at all. It's bene uodsted for the nee plate. It's solid solid when in it. I'm using a 15nm dd wheel on it and 0 issues when running at 10 to 12nm lol.
I have been using the GT-Lite non pro with My R9 and CRP pedals. You can see the flex but never bothered me. I am 6'4 280lbs. A desk/Chair usually is almost always at the wrong position to be comfortable to race for long periods of time.
The f-gt lite looks studier, that's what I used with the R9 for a few months. The base feels like the heaviest you would want to put in the bar weight wise but in gt position it was solid
Another great review, think I will pass on this one though, seemed to wobble like a blancmange! I do need something like though as I have to take my wheel down each time and put it away. I currently have a very old Wheel Stand Pro and its showing it's age with a CSL-DD 8nm and CS V3 pedals, although I think it has quite a bit less flex than this! I've been looking at the Coffee Racer as it looks a lot more sturdy and folds away into a nice box which will please the wife! So I will be interested to hear what you think of it.
Just so people know the wheeldeck has been updated mine does not flex much even when running at 12nm the screws tighten and now they have holes for fanatec gear and you dont even need to flil it upsideown. You dont need to drill out new holes. Buy direct from them and it comes with the new base with the cutouts. Also weird je said in the video he coukdnt reallt feel it moving much whikr playing yet at the end acted like it he could yet he kept mentioning how good it was. So i think his mind was playing tricks on him. Ive never used a foldable cockpit this good before nothing competes with it. The straps were a game changer. It will also now with the base plate handle 8nm no issues at all again my baseplate doesnt move even at 12nm. Ok well like the slightest but im not getting dampening and im really going at it. Again make sure to crank those screws and you are good to go! Im also only using 2 screws to hold my 15nm base and it still doesnt move! I travel alot so I needed this cockpit. Its perfect. Home rig is def better but i eas surprised by how good my expecrience was. I use it mlre then my regular rig now and the ergonomics of the chair just fit me so well.
Nope it wont be as much and the play you have you dont feel at all when in game. Its a fantastic budget rig. Shockingly good. You will see if you get it. @pulsefiend
Would be nice to see an upgrade kit for the regular gt lite, at least for the seat. Endurance racing starts to hurt after about 4 hours with the normal version 😂
I can’t believe how much it wobbles. Wonder if it wobbles this much with a G29 or something more entry level. I feel like I’d prefer a desk over this but you’d be a good judge of it
The more effort you’re exerting to fight the FFB the more it wobbles. But it was still noticeable even with a g923 or R5. I said in the video that if you have a desk and some kind of setup where your pedals and chair won’t move, thats probably preferable.
The convenience of being able to fold it away isn’t always convenient lol it’s still kind of a hassle to put it away and set it up, I had the GT lite and I almost never folded it anyways since I played daily and the times I would fold it to make extra space I would go weeks without playing cause I didn’t wanna set everything up with all the wires and stuff. I ended up just getting a small aluminum unmarked rig off eBay that wasn’t to expensive and isn’t very big but it’s still solid. I set that up in a corner where it takes up the least amount of space, wall mounted a curved monitor and it sits perfectly in front of the rig. Not only does it look better overall it’s definitely a conversation starter whenever people see you have a whole corner that looks like an arcade lol.
Had a similar experience. Returned the NLR GT Lite and got a Sim-Lab WS-Pro with a seat add-on, so basically a very light aluminium profile that is way more rigid than the NLR thing and still fits into a corner and is easy to put into place.
@@Scotlandfromthesky yeah honestly it’s kind of a hassle to put away and put back up especially if you find a sweet spot where your sitting just right and the wheel is the right distance, the pedals aren’t to far or too close. Once you fold it up and put it away you’ll have to spend a good amount of time setting things up just the way you like it, unless you don’t care and just want something to sit in then it’s not that bad but it still takes like 10 minutes to setup even longer if you take off the wheel base and stuff to make it fold more compactly. The main thing I absolutely hated about these types of rigs tho is the support bar or brace that runs underneath your legs it use to kill my legs if I tried playing longer than an hour lol. Getting an aluminum rig and an actual car chair is by far the most comfortable way to race but again that’s only if you’re really into the hobby. If you’re a more casual player you know maybe do like 1 or 2 races a day or something then it’s tolerable but if you plan on playing longer than an hour save yourself the pain and just get an aluminum rig with a chair.
@@dbzcollector9963 I'll need to have a think about it. Will be set up in my daughter's play room once she's in bed so it has to be able to fit in a cupboard 🤣 means the difference of not getting into sim racing.. unless we buy a bigger house lol. Thanks for the feedback bro, appreciate it!
I have this paired with my 8nm Fanatec GT DD Pro and this thing does everything I need it to do and with no noticeable wobble or twist. Love how light and foldable it is and very comfortable without breaking the bank or taking up a dedicated spot.
@amazin7006 it doesn't anymore they updated the wheelbase it barely moves now and comes with the right holes cutout already. The screws can now get very tight and again it doesn't even move. Mine has barely any flex using my 15nm dd+ and when braking it moves nothing when sitting on the chair it doesn't move man.
Thanks for the review! I ended up trying it myself with a Logi pro and I must be honest, I didn't notice nearly as much wobble as you did, even with the left foot pedal strap removed (easier to get in that way). I also didn't have any issues mounting, with the mounting plate in the forward position. If the mounting issue you described is true, that'll probably be a huge deal breaker for people.
Exaclty 12nm being used by me it barely moves. I wish he had the justice it deserved. I feel like he didn't even try tightening the bade screws enough or something was wrong. It doesn't even move unless you seriously yank on it. This is the most sturdy rig I've used for foldable and beats most regular rigs at this price and 200 dollars more. The pedals don't even move and the back of the chair doesn't when sitting in it. It's funny though he kept saying how impressed he was when using it and he coukdnt feel what we could see with the flex. So I don't get it. I thing he watched it back and seeing the movement got into his head? Either way the newer ones coming direct hsve an uodated base plate with the holes in it already. And it is tight af.
We definitely made sure everything was tightened, etc. The video shows the flex for what it is and then I talked about what I actually perceive while driving.
I had the GT lite in the past. THIS IS A PEFRECTLY DONE UPGRADE! They added the straps from base to pedals and added a better seat. As someone who had the GT-lite this seat will be worth every penny! Unless you have room for a permanent rig setup this will be your go-to rig trust me!
As someone that is limited with space I was really hoping this would be less flexible but I think I need to explore finding a way to secure my peddles under my desk. They're jammed so they can't move away from me but they rotate away from me when I'm braking.
The loading straps that you see being used during the folding up can (and should) also be used when it's unfolded to tighten other parts of the rig, so it will be less wobbly than in the video
Im in the same boat. What i did was put a heavy rubber mat under the pedals, then stacked some weights ontop of the pedals wherever they fit. My pedals dont move at all anymore
Same here, I can comfortably sit in mine for about 10 minutes, then it hurts like hell to sit in. I'd advise everyone to stay well away from these hammock style seats, and get a proper bucket seat, with better support for the butt and spine.
I have this (this new model). the wobble is legitimately not an issue. You don't notice it when racing. Is it not as sturdy as an 8020 rig? yes. Is it still totally usable and better than a desk? 100% yes. its a compromise, but a pretty good one tbh.
Dead comment, but im getting a wheel rn (moza r9 + cs v2p + fanatec elite v2) and im gonna use it with my desk rn to save money, as well as i dont have enough space for a proper rig. Just wanted to ask if youd still reccomend a foldable rig? And comment: i feel like the wobbling would just add to the realism hahahah
About the flex. I dont have space for a fixed rig, so I’m using a play seat challenge and 3 monitors that double as my normal everyday monitors (and of those 2 I already had and used anyway). 3x ultra wide actually. They are on my desk, the middle one on it’s own stand, while the side ones are mounted on arms. So whenever I want to race I fold the side ones in position, move my normal gaming chair out of the way and move the playseat challenge in. The playseat has at least as much flex as this one or maybe more, but only the forward movement of the wheelbase is distracting, however since I have a desk in front of me, I can push it up against it and the forward-backwards flex is gone. what remains is tactile feedback in the whole rig without having to use bass shakers 😊 crashes that cause sudden jerky movements in the wheel I can actually feel in my back just as if I was jerked around in the cockpit by G forces :D so it works out quite nicely, there are some upsides to a flexing rig besides the obvious downsides. of course it would be better to have a fixed rig, but this was a lot a cheaper, I still have more than 180 degrees horizontal fov and I only had to buy 1 more monitor with an arm and the playseat challenge and it barely takes up any space at all, so I’m quite happy with this setup after all. Really the only problem is my laziness as sometimes I just don’t feel like setting everything up for a quick race. 😅
Yeah, I just watched the first 30 seconds of the video and it is already apparent it flexes too much. Does anyone make a properly rigid cockpit that isn't silly expensive and isn't stupid heavy/cumbersome.
if you are using belt drive or gear, i would suggest playseta challenge, otherwise you are looking at gt omera art or if you find your own seat a slim alu profie such as PSR3, o
I think the video makes it worse than it is. I run an R9 and CRP pedals on my Non Pro and have been. It wobbles but when you're racing you hardly even notice it and I play A LOT of BeamNG.
Why did they go with a rounded tube, instead of a squared tube for the wheelbase mount? Sure it could still wobble, but a flat surface would at least help
As someone with a GT-Lite and a Thrustmaster TMX hard-mounted to it (Ricmotec's got a great adapter plate), I have no idea how NLR thinks this can handle a DD base with 13 Nm. It's a great product for entry level equipment (belt driven wheelbases in the 2-4 Nm range) but I can see it being any good for DD's over 5-6 Nm.
I actually asked NLR on their Insta about a possible upgrade kit for the GT-Lite and getting the pedal plate connectors and the forward straps, and they said they have no plans to offer anything. 🤷♂️ I *like* the product for what it is, but the price doesn't really reflect it, this as well. It's a smart idea but you can get a wheel stand for less and it'll be better for you. I'm going to jury-rig some straps on mine soon and see if that improves some of the flex (as I'm arguing with myself if I want a profile rig or will just stay with what I have, I'm going DD but not more than the CSL DD or R9). I may just sell the setup with my TMX and go with a profile rig, but I wouldn't buy one of these again. There's lots more options out there now.
Totally agree. Had this for a T300 and it was way more flex than on my desk, so much FF detail was lost. I can't believe they trick people into buying this for a 13nm DD
Awesome video as always, super glad you were able to review this. This seems to flex way more front to back than the Playseat Challenge. Was hoping this could be a replacement for that for when I go DD, but I may as well just get low down shifters stabilizer system for the Playseat.
I've seen reinforcement kits for the playseat challenge but as of now, haven't tried any to make my dd setup more stable. I was hoping this was be a step up.
I have the original Lite....I got it for my old Thrustmaster T-300 wheelbase. It works ok, but it's not perfect by any means. I just got a new CSL DD and switched over to a simpler but much more rigid steel framed wheelbase with an add on seat adapter. This setup was much cheaper than the Lite (only $150US) and it allowed me to use my existing gaming chair easily by simply dropping one or two of the wheels into an adjustable steel box which stops your chair from moving forward or back, a really nice setup IMHO. Combined with the stiff steel stand it's nearly three times as rigid as the Lite overall. The CSL DD doesn't move much if at all using it (it's the 8Nm version, btw). At the end of the day the wheel box folds up to allow for the whole setup to take up only around 3 more inches total floor space over the Lite. This was just an example of the choices you get now, you don't need to get all funky with a fully foldable unit like these anymore thanks to the seat box option now available that comes with quite a few different cheap steel wheelbases available on Amazon. For the record, the one I'm using is called the Marada Steering Wheel Stand with the seat adapter (there are a few options, just look for the one with the seat adapter). Why spend more than you need to? Great review as always Wil!
I bought the GT Lite for my T300 a few years ago and that thing was just pure trash. It had so much flex even on the T300 that the driving experience was worse than on my rigid desk. I lost all the FF details. I think if you spend big on a DD wheelbase and then cheap out on a solid rig, you might as well buy a G29 and don't care about FF at all. The improvements here are minor to me, it's still the exact same system, very flexy, very plasticy, I can't recommend these folding rigs to anyone that owns a somewhat expensive wheelbase. So if you think Will talks about flex because he's used to driving 25nm wheelbases on thousands of dollars of aluminium extrusion, no, even with a T300 coming from a desk setup these things don't hold up. Don't buy this.
Wow, blows my mind that they added a pair of useless straps instead of adding a metal detachable shaft to connect the underside of the wheel base to the front legs of the chair. Even mounted on the side instead of between the legs it fixes all of the flex.
Id personally recommend the GT Lite over this one. I have owned two GT Lites and an aluminum profile rig. I think the GT Lite is perfect if you want a full cockpit while dealing with limited space. Using the packing strap from the wheel deck to the front seat legs have made the rig almost as sturdy as an aluminum profile rig in my opinion. I would recommend even getting some ratchet straps for the same purpose to add rigidity. I dont really know if the front straps on the Lite Pro really make that much of a difference, in fact, I question if they really help. If you were to tighten them down as far as possible, youd have to deal with the pedal plate coming up, even during use, so there is a limit to how tight the straps can go, unlike going from the wheel deck bar to the front seat leg bar. Even in their recommendation for the GT Lite, they say to add the packing strap from the wheel to the seat to add rigidity, so why not make a permanent solution on the Pro? I wish NLR added the straps to the seat legs instead of the pedal plate, but its their unit. Plus with the cost difference between the Lite and Lite Pro, you're really only getting two straps from the pedal deck to the wheel deck, the rear wheels to move it and a more padded seat. Good review as always Will, been watching your vids for a long time. Keep up the great work!
Been waiting for you guys to do a video of this once since release last week. I don't have a cockpit and have been swithering on playseat challenge or f-gt-lite/gt-lite as I have little space and need to fold away. Was hoping this option would be much better than those two. I think despite its issues and obvious flex, it flexes a lot less than the other two and will be what I end up having to get. I think if you'd used the packing straps aswell it might have been a little better, from what I've seen in other videos.
As an owner of a GT-Lite, I'd recommend going with a folding wheel stand with a desk chair you probably already own. If you can't afford a profile rig, save your money for other equipment in your setup. I've been using mine regularly for over a year now, and while it's comfortable and works for my TMX, I don't see it working well with DD's stronger than 5Nm. Even with the extra straps.
It's a bit pricey but the Playseat Trophy is VERY sturdy, comfortable and you can stand it up against a wall when not in use. I tried my DD1 on it at 20nm and no flex at all, same with my loadcells
I have the f-gt lite with 8nm csl dd, it doesn't flex as much as you think, if at all. When you're in it and using it. You don't really notice it at all and DEFINITELY NOT affecting your gameplay. Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit
These folding rigs are getting better and better. But I'm still happy with my setup which is their wheel stand and some locking casters for my office chair. I notice the wheel flex a lot more than a chair moving left or right.
It would be nice if NextLevelRacing made that seat as a low priced option for sim rigs. FWIU the low cost seats are pretty much whats offered in this kit, just with more padding and race car looks. NLR should sell the seat and have seat slider mounts for it.
I bought one of these a while back and returned it right away, way to uncomfortable, if you fold it super annoying to set up again, save your money and get something a little better.
I’ve been at the new Indianapolis location and they have a lot of sim stuff! They even had Simucube Active Pedals! Really a great place for sim racers.
Thanks for the review on this. I'd like to upgrade to a DD wheel but I don't have the space for a full rig. I'd love to see some more reviews on products that try to bridge this gap. If you could do a video on NLR's Wheel Stand DD I'd love to see it.
I currently run a desk mounted G920, however, am looking into upgrading in the near future to DD. Do you think I should go with something like the NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 instead of this foldable cockpits for a better DD experience? My desk already wobbles quite a bit with the G920 so I don't think it could handle a DD wheel.
Thanks for the review, been tosing up between this andthe wheel stand 2.0 .. Would love a review of the Wheel stand 2.0 a little worried about the ajustability of it.
I have this seat. I don't have to move it, so an easy massive improvement I made is to cut two lengths of 1" x 0.5" wood, and cut circular profiles into the end to approx match the gauge of the metal tubing. The length is to match the gap between the top bar that supports the wheel mount, and the bar on the floor below it. Wedge the pieces of wood in either side of the cockpit so you still have plenty of space for your legs, and then on each side get a ratchet strap and wrap it around the bars, top to bottom, with the wooden strut clamped in between. Tighten the ratchet straps and bingo. 99% of the flexibility and movement on the wheel platform is gone. Hassle, I know, but an easy DIY fix if you have this seat, and like me are annoyed by the wheel movement
As a VR simmer, folding seats are ideal for me. Doesn't need to "Look" the part in VR. I use a modified playseat challenge, so this would probably be an upgrade. My question is if it can be conformed to a formula seating style, or if they're planning another separate product for it
I have the GT Lite and at the time of buying it I was contemplating the formula style version. It seemed to end up going end of line since it never came back in stock.
f-gt lite can go formula position, but the pedals will lift, it will ruin your back, and be too much burden to get in and out. i had one but i sold em out because i prefered desk setup over that crap.
Seriously DO NOT buy this lawn chair. Unless you're a teenager it will kill your back and it's too flexible for any decent wheel. Also it's not very adjustable. It's literally a lawn chair
I have that ring for my ps5. Its perfect for a g29 up to tgt2. Over that the rig will move with the force. But with my wheel its perfect and easy to move around
They shoulda used real metal pipes that can bend when you need to fold instead of those straps, could be way better, but I guess we gotta settle for this if u want a foldable for now.
Yep it’s all a matter of perspective. We used a beanbag and a nested table for years. I do think they could do better with the wheel deck rigidity for the money though.
@@boostedmedia true that, it did look like it was moving a bit didn't it and you would expect it too not budge at all haha, well I cant say my desk moves at all so not really too much reason to upgrade yet and there is always the go to the scrap yard option if I want a seat I spose lol cheers for the thorough honest review
Ok review. I think if I had a DD wheel I would not use one of these. I actually have the GT Lite one and it's a great folding rig for Logitech G29/TM T150/T300 kind of wheel. It's kind of stating the blindly obvious that it flexes when using a DD wheel.
In two minds now after seeing this review. I'll be a casual user with a moza R3. But absolutely has to be folded away. How much of a pain would it be folding away every night?
I got one of these just to test the waters as I'm completely new to Sim racing. Sure it has it's compromises but did the job well enough to know that I'm ready to go down the rabbit hole. I did make a diy change that made a huge difference in the rigidity. I used a ratchet strap instead of the included Velcro one which allowed me to really torque down on the strap and tightened the whole setup up. I also measured from the front of the wheel Deck to to the floor and cut a 2x2 and placed it between my legs once I was seated and completely got rid of any flex as I found I would pull on the wheel versus push on it. Easy workaround to address the only issues I had or even read about. Like I said it wasn't a permanent solution but an affordable way to get into the hobby and is something I can give to my kids once I get a more permanent setup.
Very useful video thanks a lot. First time sim rig user here I just bought this with the fanatec csl dd 8nm and WRC wheel and normal cheap CSL pedals before even seeing this video so this will be extremely helpful for when i set it all up tomorrow. I didnt have a desk so chose this over buying a desk and office chair combo hopefully its good enough
@@brextondesormeaux518 Yeah im very happy with it, seat is very comfy. You definitely lose a tiny bit of fidelity with how flimsy the rig is compared to a non foldable one but if youre just casual gamer like me you wont care that much. Saying that i was able to tighten mine more than the guy in this video did mine moves a lot less, just make sure to tighten the 3 straps pretty solid and youre good to go. You will need to buy some nuts and bolts to fit the pedals they arent included.
Thanks for the review Will. I'm looking for its dimensions when folded with a wheel mounted. I know this would vary, but if you happen to have some dimensions I can work with, it would be much appreciated.
I have the GT Lite with a Logitech G29 and its ok. My butt tends to fall asleep after about 20-30 minutes. Does the GT Lite Pro have the same issue? Is the GT Lite Pro worth upgrading over the GT Lite?
As much as this thing flexes, I race in VR and need something that I can easily move out of my VR play space when I want to play some standing VR games.
I am amazed it hold up too 12nm, Shows good engineering in the joints for that, With the weight of the wheel it's self on top, This would be for those tight on space or a funky wifie, lol.....
Just tried to put mines together, none of the pieces fit , the hole for the seat wasn’t drilled correctly, the back leg is too big, and the wheel bar is too small , also the clamps are so tight I had to use a hammer to loosen them , the seat I got gets a big 👎👎👎
Instead of straps, why cound't NLR use telescopic tubes with a locking pin? That could easily react to both tension and compression forces. For the price point NLR is asking, seems like there are few fundamental issues with the design choices.
I have the GT light non-pro version and it's pretty decent for what it is. I have attached an eBay handbrake ,6-speed h pattern and a micro keyboard being held by a car style tablet holder all on the right side. I built my own set of button boxes that I put on either side of the wheel. I bought a surround sound system and mounted it directly to the cockpit with the subwoofer underneath the seating area. If you're a taller 6 ft 1 it might be a little bit to small for you
We did. Did them as tight as we physically could without breaking the clasps before I sat in it. They get tighter still once you sit in it and the seat sinks a bit.
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I went with their wheel stand 2.0 for a foldable option that is still sturdy as a tank. Paired with a secretlab chair its amazing
Thats the config i'll be moving to as well. Is the wheel tray for the chair as helpful as it looks?
I'm thinking of going the same route, in your opinion is the wheel stand worth it?
@@scottkocienda4057 I have the same setup with the fanatec clubsport pedals v3, moza R9 and a secret lab chair and it is solid as a rock. not like a mounted chair but close enough. and it can be folded really low profile.
Hated the wheelstand 2.0 thos is much better. Everything is lined up, when braking it doesn't move at all. It's bene uodsted for the nee plate. It's solid solid when in it. I'm using a 15nm dd wheel on it and 0 issues when running at 10 to 12nm lol.
I have been using the GT-Lite non pro with My R9 and CRP pedals. You can see the flex but never bothered me. I am 6'4 280lbs. A desk/Chair usually is almost always at the wrong position to be comfortable to race for long periods of time.
This is the comment I was looking for! I am about the same height and weight and have been wondering most on how this cockpit pit works with that.
Looks much more comfortable than the Play Seat Challenge.
"Brake with your thigh" has helped my consistency on my table setup LoL
First 5s told me all i need to know :P , that thing moves waaaay too much
He does address it at 19:10 and 22:20. It may not change your mind, but I thought it might be helpful anyway.
Built in tactile bass shaker, win! lol
Agreed , that is a setup for someone without room for bigger sturdier rig
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The f-gt lite looks studier, that's what I used with the R9 for a few months. The base feels like the heaviest you would want to put in the bar weight wise but in gt position it was solid
Another great review, think I will pass on this one though, seemed to wobble like a blancmange! I do need something like though as I have to take my wheel down each time and put it away. I currently have a very old Wheel Stand Pro and its showing it's age with a CSL-DD 8nm and CS V3 pedals, although I think it has quite a bit less flex than this!
I've been looking at the Coffee Racer as it looks a lot more sturdy and folds away into a nice box which will please the wife! So I will be interested to hear what you think of it.
Great vid as usual, can't wait for the Micro Center store to open up in Miami, that's such great news!
Thank you for all your vids. You are awesome and always to the point on what your demoing. Thanks again!
Nice review, definitely gonna buy one after I bought my ready2race bundle at Fanatec. Exactly what I need, and the flexing of the unit is okay for me.
They can use the mounting holes as placement for more additions to assist in the rigidity
I was just looking for something like this right now !
Woooo! Can't wait for that Miami Micro Center! 😁 Those specs are just begging for the install of a Fanatec DD2 just to see what happens, lol.
Just so people know the wheeldeck has been updated mine does not flex much even when running at 12nm the screws tighten and now they have holes for fanatec gear and you dont even need to flil it upsideown. You dont need to drill out new holes. Buy direct from them and it comes with the new base with the cutouts.
Also weird je said in the video he coukdnt reallt feel it moving much whikr playing yet at the end acted like it he could yet he kept mentioning how good it was. So i think his mind was playing tricks on him. Ive never used a foldable cockpit this good before nothing competes with it.
The straps were a game changer. It will also now with the base plate handle 8nm no issues at all again my baseplate doesnt move even at 12nm. Ok well like the slightest but im not getting dampening and im really going at it. Again make sure to crank those screws and you are good to go!
Im also only using 2 screws to hold my 15nm base and it still doesnt move! I travel alot so I needed this cockpit. Its perfect. Home rig is def better but i eas surprised by how good my expecrience was. I use it mlre then my regular rig now and the ergonomics of the chair just fit me so well.
So if i were to buy this now with the fanatec DD 12nm it will not have as much play as in this vid?
Nope it wont be as much and the play you have you dont feel at all when in game. Its a fantastic budget rig. Shockingly good. You will see if you get it. @pulsefiend
Would be nice to see an upgrade kit for the regular gt lite, at least for the seat. Endurance racing starts to hurt after about 4 hours with the normal version 😂
4 hours in any car hurts me! 😂
I can’t believe how much it wobbles. Wonder if it wobbles this much with a G29 or something more entry level. I feel like I’d prefer a desk over this but you’d be a good judge of it
The more effort you’re exerting to fight the FFB the more it wobbles. But it was still noticeable even with a g923 or R5.
I said in the video that if you have a desk and some kind of setup where your pedals and chair won’t move, thats probably preferable.
ive had the GT Lite for 3 years, yeah it wobbles but good enough with the g29..
had it with a T300, the desk setup was way better, way more FF detail on my desk
This concept should be made for flight sim to it is so smart!
FLORIDA'S GETTING A MICROCENTER? MIAMI IS 3 HOURS AWAY FROM ME BUT HELL YEAH
The convenience of being able to fold it away isn’t always convenient lol it’s still kind of a hassle to put it away and set it up, I had the GT lite and I almost never folded it anyways since I played daily and the times I would fold it to make extra space I would go weeks without playing cause I didn’t wanna set everything up with all the wires and stuff. I ended up just getting a small aluminum unmarked rig off eBay that wasn’t to expensive and isn’t very big but it’s still solid. I set that up in a corner where it takes up the least amount of space, wall mounted a curved monitor and it sits perfectly in front of the rig. Not only does it look better overall it’s definitely a conversation starter whenever people see you have a whole corner that looks like an arcade lol.
Had a similar experience. Returned the NLR GT Lite and got a Sim-Lab WS-Pro with a seat add-on, so basically a very light aluminium profile that is way more rigid than the NLR thing and still fits into a corner and is easy to put into place.
Not the comment I wanted to see. I would need to fold away every night 😭
@@Scotlandfromthesky yeah honestly it’s kind of a hassle to put away and put back up especially if you find a sweet spot where your sitting just right and the wheel is the right distance, the pedals aren’t to far or too close. Once you fold it up and put it away you’ll have to spend a good amount of time setting things up just the way you like it, unless you don’t care and just want something to sit in then it’s not that bad but it still takes like 10 minutes to setup even longer if you take off the wheel base and stuff to make it fold more compactly. The main thing I absolutely hated about these types of rigs tho is the support bar or brace that runs underneath your legs it use to kill my legs if I tried playing longer than an hour lol. Getting an aluminum rig and an actual car chair is by far the most comfortable way to race but again that’s only if you’re really into the hobby. If you’re a more casual player you know maybe do like 1 or 2 races a day or something then it’s tolerable but if you plan on playing longer than an hour save yourself the pain and just get an aluminum rig with a chair.
@@dbzcollector9963 I'll need to have a think about it. Will be set up in my daughter's play room once she's in bed so it has to be able to fit in a cupboard 🤣 means the difference of not getting into sim racing.. unless we buy a bigger house lol. Thanks for the feedback bro, appreciate it!
I have this paired with my 8nm Fanatec GT DD Pro and this thing does everything I need it to do and with no noticeable wobble or twist. Love how light and foldable it is and very comfortable without breaking the bank or taking up a dedicated spot.
You can see it twisting and wobbling in the video. All that extra detail in the direct drive wheel is wasted without a stiff rig
can it handle load cell pedals?
@@kirtperez8048 yup. I have them on mine also. Works great. If I upgrade to a 15nm I'd go more beefy rig.
@amazin7006 it doesn't anymore they updated the wheelbase it barely moves now and comes with the right holes cutout already. The screws can now get very tight and again it doesn't even move. Mine has barely any flex using my 15nm dd+ and when braking it moves nothing when sitting on the chair it doesn't move man.
@@reviewforthetube6485 you cant tell that to a basement warrior or an elitist, who think he knows better than anyone..
I had the original and with a T300 it was great as an entry level low cost rig. Only reason i upgraded was that i outgrew it with my sim hardware.
Thanks for the review! I ended up trying it myself with a Logi pro and I must be honest, I didn't notice nearly as much wobble as you did, even with the left foot pedal strap removed (easier to get in that way). I also didn't have any issues mounting, with the mounting plate in the forward position. If the mounting issue you described is true, that'll probably be a huge deal breaker for people.
Exaclty 12nm being used by me it barely moves. I wish he had the justice it deserved. I feel like he didn't even try tightening the bade screws enough or something was wrong. It doesn't even move unless you seriously yank on it. This is the most sturdy rig I've used for foldable and beats most regular rigs at this price and 200 dollars more. The pedals don't even move and the back of the chair doesn't when sitting in it. It's funny though he kept saying how impressed he was when using it and he coukdnt feel what we could see with the flex. So I don't get it. I thing he watched it back and seeing the movement got into his head? Either way the newer ones coming direct hsve an uodated base plate with the holes in it already. And it is tight af.
We definitely made sure everything was tightened, etc.
The video shows the flex for what it is and then I talked about what I actually perceive while driving.
I had the GT lite in the past. THIS IS A PEFRECTLY DONE UPGRADE! They added the straps from base to pedals and added a better seat. As someone who had the GT-lite this seat will be worth every penny! Unless you have room for a permanent rig setup this will be your go-to rig trust me!
Did you upgrade your GT Lite to this GT Lite Pro?
FAX!!!
Question, Can I replace the shifter mount for a bigger one so I can fit both my handbrake and shifter?
@@DrR1pper no... Got GT track
Wow never seen someone else in comments with a similar name
As someone that is limited with space I was really hoping this would be less flexible but I think I need to explore finding a way to secure my peddles under my desk. They're jammed so they can't move away from me but they rotate away from me when I'm braking.
Really recommend the GT Omega Apex
It’s not as much flex as you think. I just went from desk to this setup with a DD w/ load cell pedals and it’s night and day.
The loading straps that you see being used during the folding up can (and should) also be used when it's unfolded to tighten other parts of the rig, so it will be less wobbly than in the video
Im in the same boat. What i did was put a heavy rubber mat under the pedals, then stacked some weights ontop of the pedals wherever they fit. My pedals dont move at all anymore
I got one of these and the seat is uncomfortable and the whole frame moves. Id give it a 4 out of 10
Same here, I can comfortably sit in mine for about 10 minutes, then it hurts like hell to sit in.
I'd advise everyone to stay well away from these hammock style seats, and get a proper bucket seat, with better support for the butt and spine.
I have this (this new model). the wobble is legitimately not an issue. You don't notice it when racing. Is it not as sturdy as an 8020 rig? yes. Is it still totally usable and better than a desk? 100% yes. its a compromise, but a pretty good one tbh.
Dead comment, but im getting a wheel rn (moza r9 + cs v2p + fanatec elite v2) and im gonna use it with my desk rn to save money, as well as i dont have enough space for a proper rig. Just wanted to ask if youd still reccomend a foldable rig? And comment: i feel like the wobbling would just add to the realism hahahah
flexes more than ocon's rear wing
About the flex. I dont have space for a fixed rig, so I’m using a play seat challenge and 3 monitors that double as my normal everyday monitors (and of those 2 I already had and used anyway). 3x ultra wide actually. They are on my desk, the middle one on it’s own stand, while the side ones are mounted on arms. So whenever I want to race I fold the side ones in position, move my normal gaming chair out of the way and move the playseat challenge in. The playseat has at least as much flex as this one or maybe more, but only the forward movement of the wheelbase is distracting, however since I have a desk in front of me, I can push it up against it and the forward-backwards flex is gone. what remains is tactile feedback in the whole rig without having to use bass shakers 😊 crashes that cause sudden jerky movements in the wheel I can actually feel in my back just as if I was jerked around in the cockpit by G forces :D so it works out quite nicely, there are some upsides to a flexing rig besides the obvious downsides. of course it would be better to have a fixed rig, but this was a lot a cheaper, I still have more than 180 degrees horizontal fov and I only had to buy 1 more monitor with an arm and the playseat challenge and it barely takes up any space at all, so I’m quite happy with this setup after all. Really the only problem is my laziness as sometimes I just don’t feel like setting everything up for a quick race. 😅
The flex is kind off putting me of buying this. What other cockpits would you recommend instead of this at a similar price range?
I would like to know as well.
Yeah, I just watched the first 30 seconds of the video and it is already apparent it flexes too much.
Does anyone make a properly rigid cockpit that isn't silly expensive and isn't stupid heavy/cumbersome.
if you are using belt drive or gear, i would suggest playseta challenge, otherwise you are looking at gt omera art or if you find your own seat a slim alu profie such as PSR3, o
I think the video makes it worse than it is. I run an R9 and CRP pedals on my Non Pro and have been. It wobbles but when you're racing you hardly even notice it and I play A LOT of BeamNG.
Check out the newly released Simlab GT Pro
Why did they go with a rounded tube, instead of a squared tube for the wheelbase mount?
Sure it could still wobble, but a flat surface would at least help
@24:57 Would have been helpful if you mentioned what some of those other options are.
As someone with a GT-Lite and a Thrustmaster TMX hard-mounted to it (Ricmotec's got a great adapter plate), I have no idea how NLR thinks this can handle a DD base with 13 Nm.
It's a great product for entry level equipment (belt driven wheelbases in the 2-4 Nm range) but I can see it being any good for DD's over 5-6 Nm.
I actually asked NLR on their Insta about a possible upgrade kit for the GT-Lite and getting the pedal plate connectors and the forward straps, and they said they have no plans to offer anything. 🤷♂️
I *like* the product for what it is, but the price doesn't really reflect it, this as well. It's a smart idea but you can get a wheel stand for less and it'll be better for you.
I'm going to jury-rig some straps on mine soon and see if that improves some of the flex (as I'm arguing with myself if I want a profile rig or will just stay with what I have, I'm going DD but not more than the CSL DD or R9).
I may just sell the setup with my TMX and go with a profile rig, but I wouldn't buy one of these again. There's lots more options out there now.
Totally agree. Had this for a T300 and it was way more flex than on my desk, so much FF detail was lost. I can't believe they trick people into buying this for a 13nm DD
Awesome video as always, super glad you were able to review this. This seems to flex way more front to back than the Playseat Challenge. Was hoping this could be a replacement for that for when I go DD, but I may as well just get low down shifters stabilizer system for the Playseat.
I've seen reinforcement kits for the playseat challenge but as of now, haven't tried any to make my dd setup more stable. I was hoping this was be a step up.
@@jeffspruiel6686 doesn't look like much of an upgrade from the Challenge, so much flex
@@PIDOFREAK - Its not an upgrade. The Playseat Challenge is twice the price of this.
@@albey1816 its not?? maybe u looked at the logitech playseat challenge collab
I gave my gt lite pro away to a friend upgraded to a more strong rig
Add a little fun to your video. What does the 30nm base look like on this rig
I have the original Lite....I got it for my old Thrustmaster T-300 wheelbase. It works ok, but it's not perfect by any means. I just got a new CSL DD and switched over to a simpler but much more rigid steel framed wheelbase with an add on seat adapter. This setup was much cheaper than the Lite (only $150US) and it allowed me to use my existing gaming chair easily by simply dropping one or two of the wheels into an adjustable steel box which stops your chair from moving forward or back, a really nice setup IMHO. Combined with the stiff steel stand it's nearly three times as rigid as the Lite overall. The CSL DD doesn't move much if at all using it (it's the 8Nm version, btw). At the end of the day the wheel box folds up to allow for the whole setup to take up only around 3 more inches total floor space over the Lite.
This was just an example of the choices you get now, you don't need to get all funky with a fully foldable unit like these anymore thanks to the seat box option now available that comes with quite a few different cheap steel wheelbases available on Amazon. For the record, the one I'm using is called the Marada Steering Wheel Stand with the seat adapter (there are a few options, just look for the one with the seat adapter). Why spend more than you need to? Great review as always Wil!
I bought the GT Lite for my T300 a few years ago and that thing was just pure trash. It had so much flex even on the T300 that the driving experience was worse than on my rigid desk. I lost all the FF details. I think if you spend big on a DD wheelbase and then cheap out on a solid rig, you might as well buy a G29 and don't care about FF at all. The improvements here are minor to me, it's still the exact same system, very flexy, very plasticy, I can't recommend these folding rigs to anyone that owns a somewhat expensive wheelbase. So if you think Will talks about flex because he's used to driving 25nm wheelbases on thousands of dollars of aluminium extrusion, no, even with a T300 coming from a desk setup these things don't hold up. Don't buy this.
Wow. Rated to 13Nm and shaking that much with only 8. I was intrigued when they announced the Pro, but I’m going to pass.
I managed to get one for £30 on a facebook sales group and it was the best £30 I've ever spent
Insane
Wow, blows my mind that they added a pair of useless straps instead of adding a metal detachable shaft to connect the underside of the wheel base to the front legs of the chair. Even mounted on the side instead of between the legs it fixes all of the flex.
Id personally recommend the GT Lite over this one. I have owned two GT Lites and an aluminum profile rig. I think the GT Lite is perfect if you want a full cockpit while dealing with limited space. Using the packing strap from the wheel deck to the front seat legs have made the rig almost as sturdy as an aluminum profile rig in my opinion. I would recommend even getting some ratchet straps for the same purpose to add rigidity. I dont really know if the front straps on the Lite Pro really make that much of a difference, in fact, I question if they really help. If you were to tighten them down as far as possible, youd have to deal with the pedal plate coming up, even during use, so there is a limit to how tight the straps can go, unlike going from the wheel deck bar to the front seat leg bar. Even in their recommendation for the GT Lite, they say to add the packing strap from the wheel to the seat to add rigidity, so why not make a permanent solution on the Pro? I wish NLR added the straps to the seat legs instead of the pedal plate, but its their unit. Plus with the cost difference between the Lite and Lite Pro, you're really only getting two straps from the pedal deck to the wheel deck, the rear wheels to move it and a more padded seat. Good review as always Will, been watching your vids for a long time. Keep up the great work!
Been waiting for you guys to do a video of this once since release last week. I don't have a cockpit and have been swithering on playseat challenge or f-gt-lite/gt-lite as I have little space and need to fold away. Was hoping this option would be much better than those two. I think despite its issues and obvious flex, it flexes a lot less than the other two and will be what I end up having to get. I think if you'd used the packing straps aswell it might have been a little better, from what I've seen in other videos.
As an owner of a GT-Lite, I'd recommend going with a folding wheel stand with a desk chair you probably already own.
If you can't afford a profile rig, save your money for other equipment in your setup.
I've been using mine regularly for over a year now, and while it's comfortable and works for my TMX, I don't see it working well with DD's stronger than 5Nm. Even with the extra straps.
i like my playseat challenge, i run it with 8nm CSL DD
It's a bit pricey but the Playseat Trophy is VERY sturdy, comfortable and you can stand it up against a wall when not in use. I tried my DD1 on it at 20nm and no flex at all, same with my loadcells
I have the f-gt lite with 8nm csl dd, it doesn't flex as much as you think, if at all. When you're in it and using it. You don't really notice it at all and DEFINITELY NOT affecting your gameplay. Anyone that says otherwise is full of shit
@@dill6078what do you use for a shifter and handbrake mount?
These folding rigs are getting better and better. But I'm still happy with my setup which is their wheel stand and some locking casters for my office chair. I notice the wheel flex a lot more than a chair moving left or right.
It would be nice if NextLevelRacing made that seat as a low priced option for sim rigs. FWIU the low cost seats are pretty much whats offered in this kit, just with more padding and race car looks. NLR should sell the seat and have seat slider mounts for it.
I bought one of these a while back and returned it right away, way to uncomfortable, if you fold it super annoying to set up again, save your money and get something a little better.
I’ve been at the new Indianapolis location and they have a lot of sim stuff! They even had Simucube Active Pedals! Really a great place for sim racers.
Does it work with Mozas R3? I am thinking of buying gt lite and r3
Thanks for the review on this. I'd like to upgrade to a DD wheel but I don't have the space for a full rig. I'd love to see some more reviews on products that try to bridge this gap. If you could do a video on NLR's Wheel Stand DD I'd love to see it.
I have a 15nm dd+ I use at 10 to 12nm on thise stand it works perfeclty.
I currently run a desk mounted G920, however, am looking into upgrading in the near future to DD. Do you think I should go with something like the NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 instead of this foldable cockpits for a better DD experience? My desk already wobbles quite a bit with the G920 so I don't think it could handle a DD wheel.
Does it not have an F1 position like the Old Next Level cockpit was able to get to??
A fold up rig that's transportable would be handy to have, it might make me want to leave the house again lol.
Thanks for the review, been tosing up between this andthe wheel stand 2.0 .. Would love a review of the Wheel stand 2.0 a little worried about the ajustability of it.
Great video Will👍🏻One question, what do you think of the wheel stand 2.0. Is it better than the wheel stand DD? Thanks 😀
Haven’t tried the 2.0. Sorry.
I have this seat.
I don't have to move it, so an easy massive improvement I made is to cut two lengths of 1" x 0.5" wood, and cut circular profiles into the end to approx match the gauge of the metal tubing. The length is to match the gap between the top bar that supports the wheel mount, and the bar on the floor below it.
Wedge the pieces of wood in either side of the cockpit so you still have plenty of space for your legs, and then on each side get a ratchet strap and wrap it around the bars, top to bottom, with the wooden strut clamped in between. Tighten the ratchet straps and bingo. 99% of the flexibility and movement on the wheel platform is gone.
Hassle, I know, but an easy DIY fix if you have this seat, and like me are annoyed by the wheel movement
As a VR simmer, folding seats are ideal for me. Doesn't need to "Look" the part in VR. I use a modified playseat challenge, so this would probably be an upgrade. My question is if it can be conformed to a formula seating style, or if they're planning another separate product for it
I have the GT Lite and at the time of buying it I was contemplating the formula style version.
It seemed to end up going end of line since it never came back in stock.
f-gt lite can go formula position, but the pedals will lift, it will ruin your back, and be too much burden to get in and out. i had one but i sold em out because i prefered desk setup over that crap.
I think we need a 2 piece rig. So then it can be portable but incredibly stiff. Cant lose.
Seriously DO NOT buy this lawn chair. Unless you're a teenager it will kill your back and it's too flexible for any decent wheel. Also it's not very adjustable. It's literally a lawn chair
Has there been any follow up from Next Level in regards to the mounting issue/possible solution? That flex is quite alarming!
Does somebody know if I can use my Thrustmaster T128 on this cockpit? Thank you all guys
I'm so torn on this. I don't have the space in my apt for a full rig, but I don't think I'll be able to stand that flex for this rig. Any suggestions?
I have that ring for my ps5. Its perfect for a g29 up to tgt2. Over that the rig will move with the force. But with my wheel its perfect and easy to move around
Did it come with bolts to mount the G29 , there’s non in the box the G29 came in .
They shoulda used real metal pipes that can bend when you need to fold instead of those straps, could be way better, but I guess we gotta settle for this if u want a foldable for now.
19:35 “multi-thousand dollar aluminum rig” yeah why is that so expensive?
I have a question 🙋🏾♂️ would the csl elite racing wheel fit on the base of this rig?
what do you think of the FK playseat monaco ?
looks great, thanks for the video, how tall are you? the fit seems well for your size
I’m 190cm and 95kg
Too much wobbling! Awful! A wheel stand would be 100 times better
Looking for a foldaway to replace my playseat challenge due to wheelbase flex on CSL DD, this looks just as bad in the first 5 seconds
Could this be used for a flight sim as well?
Possible to mount inverted pedals ?
I mean iv been using a lawn chair for a year so this would be a massive upgrade for me lol
Yep it’s all a matter of perspective. We used a beanbag and a nested table for years. I do think they could do better with the wheel deck rigidity for the money though.
@@boostedmedia true that, it did look like it was moving a bit didn't it and you would expect it too not budge at all haha, well I cant say my desk moves at all so not really too much reason to upgrade yet and there is always the go to the scrap yard option if I want a seat I spose lol cheers for the thorough honest review
it's all you really need to remind yourself you should have spent a bit more 🤣
Ok review. I think if I had a DD wheel I would not use one of these. I actually have the GT Lite one and it's a great folding rig for Logitech G29/TM T150/T300 kind of wheel. It's kind of stating the blindly obvious that it flexes when using a DD wheel.
In two minds now after seeing this review. I'll be a casual user with a moza R3. But absolutely has to be folded away. How much of a pain would it be folding away every night?
I would totally see the same design but in super strong carbon structure (like bikes). I would pay as much as a bike frame (~2k to ~7k).
I got one of these just to test the waters as I'm completely new to Sim racing. Sure it has it's compromises but did the job well enough to know that I'm ready to go down the rabbit hole. I did make a diy change that made a huge difference in the rigidity. I used a ratchet strap instead of the included Velcro one which allowed me to really torque down on the strap and tightened the whole setup up. I also measured from the front of the wheel Deck to to the floor and cut a 2x2 and placed it between my legs once I was seated and completely got rid of any flex as I found I would pull on the wheel versus push on it. Easy workaround to address the only issues I had or even read about. Like I said it wasn't a permanent solution but an affordable way to get into the hobby and is something I can give to my kids once I get a more permanent setup.
Very useful video thanks a lot. First time sim rig user here I just bought this with the fanatec csl dd 8nm and WRC wheel and normal cheap CSL pedals before even seeing this video so this will be extremely helpful for when i set it all up tomorrow. I didnt have a desk so chose this over buying a desk and office chair combo hopefully its good enough
@Steezy93 , Was thinking about going the same route as you. How's it holding up? And would you recommend?
@@brextondesormeaux518 Yeah im very happy with it, seat is very comfy. You definitely lose a tiny bit of fidelity with how flimsy the rig is compared to a non foldable one but if youre just casual gamer like me you wont care that much. Saying that i was able to tighten mine more than the guy in this video did mine moves a lot less, just make sure to tighten the 3 straps pretty solid and youre good to go. You will need to buy some nuts and bolts to fit the pedals they arent included.
Thanks for the review Will. I'm looking for its dimensions when folded with a wheel mounted. I know this would vary, but if you happen to have some dimensions I can work with, it would be much appreciated.
To whomever is gonna buy this, save your money and don't buy this, just don't lol. Wheel stands have better rigidity and is just as convenient.
I have the GT Lite with a Logitech G29 and its ok. My butt tends to fall asleep after about 20-30 minutes. Does the GT Lite Pro have the same issue? Is the GT Lite Pro worth upgrading over the GT Lite?
As much as this thing flexes, I race in VR and need something that I can easily move out of my VR play space when I want to play some standing VR games.
Is this cockpit compatible with Thrustmaster
T248 and TSS handbrake sparco mod +?
Would this be suitable for someone over 6' 6" tall?
I am amazed it hold up too 12nm, Shows good engineering in the joints for that, With the weight of the wheel it's self on top, This would be for those tight on space or a funky wifie, lol.....
Too much flex.
You can't complain about the QR flex on the steering wheel and take this chassis.
Just tried to put mines together, none of the pieces fit , the hole for the seat wasn’t drilled correctly, the back leg is too big, and the wheel bar is too small , also the clamps are so tight I had to use a hammer to loosen them , the seat I got gets a big 👎👎👎
Is there any chance you could give me the folded dimensions?
Honestly I don’t feel it would be great for racing games but maybe more for flight simulator or something with less less movement.
Man i just looked up next level the ws 2.0 has my name written all over it it solves all there problems i currently have oh yeah im buying that dude
I'm gonna keep watching but I'm ten seconds in and I can already see there is way too much flex in this thing.
Instead of straps, why cound't NLR use telescopic tubes with a locking pin? That could easily react to both tension and compression forces. For the price point NLR is asking, seems like there are few fundamental issues with the design choices.
do you need mozas 45$ mount with this chair for the direct drive base? or can you just screw it into the plate?
Screws on directly as it uses the same hole pattern as fanatec.
Just bought one Waiting on order arrival ill see what it is like...
Could you tell me which cockpit not too expensive to buy for a compatibility with the motion v3 i could buy later please?
I have the GT light non-pro version and it's pretty decent for what it is. I have attached an eBay handbrake ,6-speed h pattern and a micro keyboard being held by a car style tablet holder all on the right side. I built my own set of button boxes that I put on either side of the wheel. I bought a surround sound system and mounted it directly to the cockpit with the subwoofer underneath the seating area. If you're a taller 6 ft 1 it might be a little bit to small for you
I need something to fold. Otherwise no racing at all.
Did you try mounting the wheel base plate backwards? It works on the non-pro version for Fanatec CSL DD bases.
The straps don't look NEARLY tight enough. You should flex it towards the pedals and PULL before locking them in place.
We did. Did them as tight as we physically could without breaking the clasps before I sat in it. They get tighter still once you sit in it and the seat sinks a bit.
Hey, mind sharing the stiffer alternatives that are the same price?
I have gt lite and GT DD Pro. i made small wooden stand that connects to wheel stand and it doesn't move any more