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I would KILL for a paradox form of Golurk. Either a “past” form that leaned into the clay golem inspiration of the mon, or a “future” form that goes 100% on the big strong guardian robot aesthetic.
Imagine a future Golurk in the dlc and it's literally the Iron Golem 💀
baymax golurk!!!!!!!!!
As the leaks say, Paradox pokémon come from the imagination of pepole, so the only way i would see a paradox Golurk work is like a past giant tailed golem that resembles Golurk that "lived" way before the ancient clay civilization that created them in the first place.
Gundam influences I beg you
#GiveGolurkaSword
It's worth noting that Iron Valiant and Roaring Moon aren't based on the regular pokemon, they're based on *Mega* pokemon! Mega Gardevoir/Mega Gallade for Iron Valiant, and Mega Salamance for Roaring Moon!
Something else that I thought you'd like to know, I've seen a few fan names for the paradoxmons running around that sound a little less... clinical? But by far my favorite is for Brute Bonnet: UngaBoongus!
Huh. Wasn't Mega Evolution only recently discovered?
@@softsounds8453 I did mean design-wise, they were based on the megas, but a theory I saw recently suggests that Mega evolution taps into a Pokemon's latent DNA, reverting them into something resembling their prehistoric versions. If past-paradox Pokemon *are* actually ancient versions of Pokemon and not something else, this would help explain why Roaring Moon looks the way it does. And with Iron Valiant, if it truly is pulled from the future, who knows.
Honestly, the Future Paradoxes throw so many wrenches into so many theories. Like, Sada/Turo created the time machine within the last 15-ish years, so how could there be an Iron Treads for Heath to write about in the violet book? Unless there's *another* time machine, or three initial experiments were sending the future mons too far back.
I prefer MandJTV's Conventional Names for the Past Paradoxes, and I have my own for the Future Paradoxes
Past
Great Tusk = Donphang
Brute Bonnet = Thairwoosa (There was a Fungus Among Us)
Flutter Mane = Mistradactyl
Sandy Shocks = Magnefrag
Slither Wing = Strolcarona
Scream Tail = Bigglyruff
Roaring Moon = Malamence
Future
Iron Treads= Donowheel
Iron Hands = Hariyamech
Iron Moth = Volcadrone
Iron Jugulis = Hydroidon
Iron Bundle = Delibundle
Iron Thorns = Tyranitron
Iron Valiant = Gallavoir
Bagon for example dex entry always says it evolves wings based on aspirations so it’a paradoxical to have a salamence present day with less wing power than roaring moon. Same for amoongus we know what past pokeballs looked like. These pokemon arent from the past or future they’re dreamed up by someone who didnt have access to pokemon info we have now
My theory is that mega evolving Salamence and Gardevior/Gallade awakens some kind of primal power deep inside them. Kinda like Primal Reversion. A theory I believe more though is that the time machine is a dream machine. Like how brute bonnet looks like a PokeBall yet being a million years old? Even Hisuian Voltorb looked more like the ancient balls they used
Iron Valiant is based on both of their Megas.
The faulds on the "coat" are from Mega Gardevoir's ball gown (though they don't go around the waist entirely as an allusion to Mega Gallade's cape), as are the pointed elbows reminescent of of Mega Gardevoir's "evening gloves", as well as the majority of the general head shape, being closer to Gardevoir's head shape than Gallade's.
Mega Gallade is represented in the crest, the torso (doesn't have the split chest spike like Mega Gardevoir) the legs, and the red blades on the forearms.
There might even be a slight bit of Kirlia with the inclusion of "pigtails" on the sides of the head, which help to add some visual interest to a space that's already dominated by the crest.
This is one reason why they and Roaring Moon are considered counterparts even amongst the rest of the Paradoxes; Roaring Moon is based on another Mega Pokémon, being Mega Salamence.
to add with valiant and moon being considered counterparts, they also both share a slightly higher base stat total compared to the other paradoxes, and are placed away from them in the pokedex.
I would love to see a future paradox merge of Nidoking and Nidoqueen that would be so intense
That's also where I was hoping he was going when he brought up Iron Valiant. Something like Iron Monarch or something
What about past nidoking and future nidoqueen?
Iron ruler
Iron Monarch
The ultimate non-binary icon 😂
There's a fun theory that Paradox Pokemon aren't from the past or future, that the "time machine" is actually a "creation machine". Because every Parodox Pokemon dex entry has some mention to magazines or conspiracy theories, with the fantastical powers of terra crystals the machine can create Pokemon out of thing air.
It also would explain why so many Paradox Pokémon look similar. If the Machine took ideas from a couple of individuals or even just one individual, their judgement of what a past or future Pokémon could be clouded and singular. Great Tusk appears to have fur like it was trying to become a mammoth but gained more robust armour plating, spikes, and a carnivorous mouth like a dinosaur. Same as Sandy Shocks, Flutter Mane, Slither Wing, And Brute Bonnet. All Pokémon that should be unrelated yet all share weirdly similar dinosaur design conventions. They’re paradoxical, don’t make sense.
@@itsturniptime3699 on the topic of Slither Wing, it’s also specified in game actually, that there’s no prehistoric Pokémon that match its description. It literally does not exist.
The theory is Starting to become more and more true. The official website regards the info as "Not verified" which wouldn't make sense if they were from the past/future like what many believe
I love thing air
@@itsturniptime3699 Actually it goes much, much deeper than that, for one.. The special book you get is in the school and the guy who wrote it? Drew pokemon that according to others... Only showed up when the Machine was created, meaning they were showing up before the time machine was made... Including a pokemon that we do not know anything about... There's a LOT of lore in the game that shows that the Paradox pokemon are not actually from the future or past.
Definitely agree with your take on the future paradox forms. I think Game Freak could have done a lot more. Iron Bundle not being based on the Ghost of Christmas Future or delivery drones felt like a huge missed opportunity to me.
Iron Hands could have also been based around defibrillators with its electric type.
@@Knightmare1212 We already have a defibrillator 'mon in this Gen: the Pawmi line.
If you end up reconsidering adding your paradox designs into Mazah, I do have an idea on how the Past Paradox Pokemon could exist in Mazah (without Time Travel). I heard you mention a while back how a meteor struck Mazah in the past. What if an underground cavern area got sealed off as a result if that & the Pokemon weren't able to develop or "evolve" during the centuries that passed as a result. Just a suggestion.
Just like in Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs
I like that idea. I would’ve just suggested they be fossil Pokémon, but that’s way more creative.
Well that idea has already been done in Transformers Rescue Bots and Ice Age so I’d say it works
That's a really good idea
I think that would be a really cool area to explore, but I dunno if it should be filled with Paradox Pokemon exactly, so much as just really weird and interesting divergently evolved pokemon (as much as evolution plays a part in pokemon)
As a fellow preferer of the past paradoxes, Iron Gazer is rad as _hell._ Easily a better executed concept than the future paradoxes we actually got.
yeah the future paradoxes are basically just the base pokemon but made out of metal.
Except for iron valiant, because iron valiant is cool af
Iron Gazer is my absolute favorite design, even if I have gripes about the centerpiece not being a gemstone. You really pushed the boundaries on that one and it really worked out as a concept!
If you climb up the edges of the crater from the outside, you can find Garchomps flying around. Looking at how they're posed for this flying animation you could really see how it could evolve from something like this.
When you stated that real world science played a very small role in Pokémon’s designs and lore, I couldn’t help but think of the fossil Pokémon. Unlike Scarlet’s Paradoxes, all of the fossil Pokémon are designed in a very similar way to modern Pokémon, and draw heavily from real world lore. Hell, the evolution of birds went almost identically in the Pokémon universe as it did irl. The fact that 25 years of prehistoric Pokémon did in fact follow the customs you mentioned the paradoxes as having ignored really puts their validity into question, don’t you think?
Or you could just have fun with silly designs! I'd prefer to think that the people creating Pokemon made it, so that means it's valid. Both of our interpretations (or anyone else's who are different) are completely valid.
@@benlowen3097 I think they’re saying that the Paradox Pokemon aren’t actually from the past or future, but are actually imaginary, or something like that.
No doubt there's more to the Paradox Pokemon than them just being past / future versions of Pokemon. Based on the breadcrumbs they've left us so far, I assume that the Paradox Pokemon were dreamed up by that explorer guy and then later the professor using the power of the Tera legendary
@@grunkleg.2934 They could also be similar to Ultra Beasts - just Pokémon from other dimensions, that the professors summoned mistakenly thinking they were "time travelling", and maybe Area Zero has weaker barrier between the dimensions. Having that said, some of the Ancient Paradoxes do seem to be possible ancestors: Roaring Moon and Great Tusks, for exemple.
@@benlowen3097 i have more fun with consistent designs than with random inconsistent and contradicting designs
I like pokemon for the world, the stories it can tell and the life of the pokemon in it, not because "haha tatsugiri is pink haha"
I LOVE Grumble Brute! The eye liner and black bands almost give it a glam rock vibe. I think GF missed out on an amazing direction for the design of the future paradoxes though: speculative evolution. Imagine paradox pokemon based on how a Pokemon would evolve in an alternate future where an evil team's plan succeeds. For example, a Water/Fire Paradox Torkoal based on hydrothermal vents from a future where Kyogre floods the world, or a Paradox Beartic from a future where Kyurem freezes the Unova region and brings about another ice age.
You're so right! I think robotic designs more successfully convey a 'futuristic' design, but it'd still be so cool to see an alternate take on it.
True.
My most wanted Paradox Pokémon:
3) Giant Buzzer: inspired by the fact that higher oxygen levels in the past allowed for insects to grow to larger sizes, Giant Buzzer appears like a fuzzier Cutiefly, except from proboscis to end it is about 4'6" long. Nothing else feels more abnormal than seeing the normally adorable Cutiefly being so unnervingly large.
2) Iron Container: partially inspired by Owen Woodfin's Cosmet line, a recent Mazah region fan contest winner. With Reuniclus being the last organism with living cells, scientists placed the nucleus of Reuniclus in a cryo-freezing chamber to preserve it's body. However, this Pokémon's psychic abilities allow it to float, as well as manipulate detached, metallic arms in order to escape the scientists that froze it and roam the earth.
1) Coalesced Time:
A legendary Pokémon (probably Hoopa, Celebi, Or Dialga/Palkia) tampering with the power of time, this creature's cells are incredibly unstable. It's body appears to be divided precisely in half, with one half looking feral and powerful, and the other half comprised of cybernetic enhancements to improve its physical prowess. This Pokémon lives in both the past AND future
Really nice, maybe coalesced time could be half celebi half hoopa? That would also play into distorting space.
Honestly, I think Coalesced Time would work very well is it's own new thing, because that is such a great concept
@@megamegatron99 Thank you :)
I could also see it as its own DLC legendary. I'm excited to see what GF does for DLC
@@charcoaleater343 I could see that working too :)
I actually love the future paradox mons. Their designs may not make big changes, but the way they MOVE is just so interesting! Iron Moth, for example, with its floating wings that move independently of one another and fold in unique ways.
I think the future mons really shine when you see them in action.
THIS!
Still think they could have been better with some more sci fi/tech concepts applied to em
Personally a future paradox of arouros that’s got a cryotech theme would be interesting o and a pikachu that’s a radio/lighting rod
Thank you for putting how I like the future Paradoxes into words. If you want to design a paradox of a Pokémon of your own, imagine how it moves or how it operates.
For example, Iron Leaf (the most recent Paradox) Looks like a Virizion clad in armor. But, in combat, you can see he has swords sticking out of him, like he was a General Grievous parody. Another example is Iron Bundle, basic Delibird clone with metal on the outside, which moves by water propelled skiing.
Even some of the past Paradoxes have movement or flow which wouldn’t be the first thing that came to mind.
We all were in awe of Sandy Shocks, especially after it moved, but, for a subtle example, I saw Flutter Mane’s art/sprite and thought “Why would anyone mistake this for a Pterosaur?” When I saw it in game, that baby had a wingspan and feathers, something that would most certainly look avian from afar.
Movement says a lot about an image. Unless you can see that thing in action, the design is the only thing you can go off of. When in motion, it comes to life and can be fully appreciated, especially things like Pokémon.
I’ve been saying this for a while. It really seems like most people don’t put into consideration their sleeping animations, movement animations, and battle animations. They have more care put into those aspects than most Pokémon around!
@@andymoore8835 at the cost of the other side design though
I think a past rotom themed around a wisp or a fairy/wood nymph would be really good! It could be themed around the idea of a cryptid or rare creatures creating folklore or mythological concepts, and it’s different forms can be based on those folklores and beliefs, each one different for each environment/town/regional area.
It’s base form can be fire ghost, and then 3 other forms based around elemental environment and regional folklore or beliefs, such as a grass fire form themed around the burning bush of Moses, a fire ice type form themed around the concept of the norse creation story, with niflheim and muspelheim meeting, and a fire ground type themed around gold “inchor” or blood of the gods, etc. just some examples
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Dude that'd be awesome
Actually, I think rotom is the same in the past, since legends: arceus has them spawn naturally without the space-time distortions
@@kitsofthekats7040 not necessarily, so was jiggily puff in legends, yet it received a paradox form, besides, It’s established that these paradox forms are not always necessarily an direct evolutionary descendent, of a previous form, look at legendary beast trio, ho-oh was supposed to have made them from eevee evolutions yet how does it have a past prehistoric version
@@brennanshaw99 yeah that makes sense
Hollow Spark
That granbull is possibly my favorite thing you've drawn I wanna thank your sister
The first one specifically but I like the second one too
I like how Scalding Jaws's shiny resembles the Tyrantrum line, like it could've been a common ancestor between Garchomp and Tyrantrum.
A few things that I wanna talked about when it comes to paradox Pokémon :
1- The theory that the time machine that brought in paradox Pokémon isn’t actually a time machine, but a creation machine that took the desires of Sada and/or Turo and made them into reality which is supported by the main thing that you focused on when discussing your area of expertise : design conventions.
It’s obvious that not all Pokémon ancestors are dinosaurs and it’s absolutely impossible for all of Pokémon’s descendants to become machines, but they instead follow a very cartoonish interpretation of the past and future, just as you stated. In other words they are likely merely the creations of the professor’s desire to see the Pokémon within the scarlet or violet book, never meant to exist in the first place, hence the “paradox” in paradox Pokémon.
Now I’m not saying that your garchomp design could not qualify as a paradox Pokémon since Sada might as well have thought “hmm this land shark like Pokémon probably descended from an actual shark”, but another route is to keep the basic body plan of garchomp and instead of adding spikes and fangs you take those away, creating a sleeker aquatic garchomp that looks like an ancient and viscous sea monster, maybe even using beta garchomp as reference.
2- I found it incredibly interesting that we only have Pokémon from the current Paldea Pokédex as the basis for paradox Pokémon and that there were no paradoxes based on Pokémon who can’t be found in the game despite the fact that Pokémon obviously would’ve migrated away from Paldea in the past and to it in the future as living beings tend to do in order to adapt. This is likely another point to the “creation machine” theory since the professor would only be thinking about native Pokémon since that’s what they’re exposed to the most, but I’m actually glad you took in outside Pokémon like granbull.
3- it’s curious that the Pokémon introduced in gen 9 also have no paradox forms with the sole exception of Cyclizar. It’s very likely that this was done to not detract from the popularity of new Pokémon and that Cyclizar was most likely made with Koraidon and Miraidon already in mind, but this lends itself to the possibility that most powerful gen 9 mons like Baxcaliber or Gholdingo might as well also have some freaky legendary paradox form potential hidden like a dinosaur made from possessed liquid gold that’s fire/ghost type or a true dragon type mecha godzilla that’s dragon/steel.
4- About your criticism concerning future paradox Pokémon. For as absolutely true as your issues with their designs may be I believe this was done on purpose to tell a story. Now paradox Pokémon don’t have conventional Pokémon names, but code names of sort that can almost be seen as scientific names created by the scholars of the expedition team that Heath, the writer of the scarlet and violet books, was a part of.
So why do all of the future paradox Pokémon start with “iron” despite the original Pokémon all being mostly unrelated ? It’s simple, the future paradox mons are all closely related, they’re all recreations meant to replicate what that Pokémon once was and were all theoretically assembled on the same supply line. For whatever reasons the people of the future wanted to remake these mons be it because of the modern species going extinct in the future or the result of a disaster like a dystopian future or some natural phenomena that changed Pokémon ecology worldwide.
To simplify it : Future paradox Pokémon aren’t meant to be a bunch of robotic descendants of modern Pokémon, but recreations of them.
5- LEGENDARY. FUSION. PARADOXES.
This is just my personal desire, but seeing the legendary beast and swords of justice paradoxes which will probably come as DLC give me an idea.
I would love to see a paradox form of Kyurem that’s really busy and is just pure and unadulterated fan service, now hear me out :
A paradox Kyurem, but Kyurem itself does not change at all. Instead it is fused with paradox forms of both Reshiram and Zekrom.
Reshiram, which represents truth is a past paradox that shows that fake “truth” of what once was created by the time machine to satisfy Sada’s desires and Zekrom, which represents ideals is a future paradox that shows a fake “ideal” of what will be to satisfy Turo’s desires.
So you take the actual Kyurem, the past Reshiram and the future Zekrom and create a chaotic and busy design like the draconian final boss of a T-rated jrpg.
Call it “False Dragon” and make it pure dragon type, or dragon/fairy since fairy’s one of the few other types that could represent the concept of intangible energy in a way other than dragon, fire and electric.
Very interesting points and I love that idea of Kyurem! Now I really wish we can see the concept of Paradox Legendaries in the games or something.
@@ziirroh well as I just said we already have a past fusion paradox of the legendary beasts in the scarlet book and a future fusion paradox of the swords of justice in the violet book. These Pokémon will be featured as part of DLC, absolutely.
Whether it's Pokemon, Dragons, or whatever else you draw, it all looks amazing! I always look forward to seeing what you put up here. Too bad your nearest "theme" month is in May. But, I'd like to remedy that. Have you ever thought of making a "FAEbruary"? All February, artists get to draw one picture a day of a fairy.
I’ve been thinking of some drawing challenges for other months! Faebruary is a good idea!
Giant fey creatures with multiple eyes and antlers is my type of druid aesthetic
So things like Banshees, Kelpies, Goblins, Changelings and other faerie?
@@dragonsswarm1987 Exactly, but with a theme for the day. Like Smaugust, each day will have a different type of fairy matching that theme. Like, one day the theme will be "desserts", and another day the theme would be "nuts and bolts".
@@Subjectively Here's an Idea How about some Faerie pokemon regional variants? Like Falinks, Spinda, Baltoy and Machop
Honestly, your ideas for future paradox Pokémon make me really want to see what your reinterpretations of pre-existing future paradox Pokémon would be
There is this show on a TH-cam channel called The Ink Tank called "Ultimates Overhauled" where they make and remake ultimate aliens from Ben 10. Thus guy should do that redesign the existing Paradox Pokemon. (Especially the future ones)
Could you imagine if we saw a paradox version of the starter we chose? I half-expected to see that, but don’t hate that we didn’t get it.
Past paradox Meowscarada, for example, could have been a saber tooth-like creature.
I don't really expect to see paradox Paldean starters so people don't feel disappointed their starter is "weaker" than a "legendary" Pokémon that is meant to look stronger.
But Paradox Pokémon based on Other starter trios feels more likely to me.
I have some name ideas and concepts. The ideas for the typings is that the Past forms inherit the secondary type of the Pokemon whos first type they are strong against, but Future forms inheret the secondary type of whos first type they are weak against.
Floral Tusk (Grass/Fighting): a Past form Meowscarada based on a Sabertooth Tiger. It's even quadrapedal for people who wanted a quadrapedal evolution for Sprigatito.
Dreadful Jaw (Fire/Dark): a Past form Skeledirge which is much eviler, exuding dark energy from its mouth and body. The bird is also turned into a cursed flame rather than a regular one and is more evil-looking.
Stomping Soul (Water/Ghost): a Past form Quaquaval that instead of Carnaval dances does Belly dances much more slowly to channel restless spirits through its moves. It's got more feathers as well as focusing more on heavy kicks rather than fluid steps.
Iron Bandit (Grass/Ghost): a Future form Meowscarada designed to be sleek and stealthy for stealing from enemies.
Iron Claws (Fire/Fighting): a Future form Skeledirge that is bipedal and much more bulky, designed to be a tank. It now slashes with heated up claws rather than biting.
Iron Dancer (Water/Dark): a Future form Quaquaval that uses hypnotic dances to control other Pokemon. Its body moves almost fluid-like.
@@sygiliph2495 Uh, do you mean quadrupedal instead of bipedal? Meowscarda is already bipedal. Regardless, good concepts.
@@flysoup3607 yeah, sorry, I did. Imma quickly fix that. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@sygiliph2495 Really interesting concepts but really boring type combinations. You don't need to adhere to the strict type formula and matchups Game Freak uses. Heck, they didn't follow that format in Gen 4 at all. I think using unique type combos like Fire Fairy or Fire Electric would be interesting for skeledirge. Water ghost quaqaval is cool though considering there is no starter of that as of yet
That future paradox Starmie is so unnerving and intimidating I love it! Maybe it's that fear of cameras watching our every move from somewhere we can't hide from, or maybe it's the design of Starmie itself but cranked up 100 notches. Either way I love it and wish it was actually in Violet!
Scalding Jaws is how I imagine ancient Garchomp to look, Amazing work !!
Scalding Jaws should have used a bit more of the Mega Garchomp look. Even a dex entry states how Roaring Moon looks very similar to Mega Salemence and how they might be linked in some way.
I love both paradox Volcarona and the the fact that they separated the "moth" and the "sun" part into different forms, specially with iron moth looking like one of those sci-fi mega engines that take energy from the sun is great
AHHHHH your future designs made me realize how much we missed out :0 All the designs were fantastic! I hope that, if they do more paradox Pokemon in the future, that they'll press the designs more on the future ones :]
I am personally really attached to the idea that garchomp and sharpedo have a common ancestor because they are both sharks, have the ability rough skin, are jet propelled, have a matching head crest, and they have the same sexual dimorphism (dorsal fin notch).
So I wouldn't have been able to resist drawing that "ancestor" in an exercise like this. But I'll show up for any celebration of garchomp.
NVM YOU DID IT
I’d love to see some more Paradox videos.
I’ve seen many amazing concepts for Paradoxes like an Ancient Magikarp with Gyarados’ face or a Kangaskahn Baby piloting a Kangaskahn Mech that breathes fire.
So much potential for Paradoxes and I always love seeing concepts like this
I unironically love the idea that the "Slightly stronger Magikarp" that the Pokedex was talking about was actually a Magikarp with a Gyarados Face.
What should it be called? "Furious Fish"?
@@yannismorris4772 I think it had the word Rage in it’s name but I can’t find the art of it
I saw a future paradox Kengaskhan that was essentially what you said, but no fire
I absolutely love seeing your creative process and hearing you talk about what you're changing and why from an art theory perspective. As someone who can't even draw a straight line I appreciate seeing someone who's not only talented but thoughtful of their work and medium. Also, really love paradox Granbull, 10/10 would train.
The lore behind iron valiant is so good, a mad scientist was trying to make the strongest psychic type pokemon combining genetics of both Gardevoir and Gallade, Mewtwo style, but it went wrong, and instead of fusing the primary psychic type powers of the pokemon, it took their secondary typing and then iron valiant was created, a fairy fighting pokemon
I love it.
Unfortunately... that isn't the actual origin of Iron Valiant, NONE of the information in the pokedex for the Paradox Pokémon can be trusted as factual, unless you mean to tell me that Scream Tail being from 1 billion years ago is accurate... if that were true, it would literally pre-date animal life on earth by over 300 million years at the least.
The truth is that nobody has any clue what the Paradoxes are, and any information on them are from one of these two places: The Scarlet/Violet Book written by Heath and commonly thought in modern Paldea to have no basis in fact, and various paranormal magazines such as Occulture... and that second source of info is literally just rumors, hearsay and presumably fictional stories that vaguely resemble the Paradox Pokémon.
In other words, Paradox Pokémon are Cryptids with no actual proof they exist other than the fact that they come from a Machine in Area Zero, and the ONLY time before the Machine was built that they were seen by anyone was by Heath and the other explorers who wrote the Scarlet/Violet book... which is strange, since the AI Professor claims that the Machine is the source of them, so how did they appear 200 years ago and leave absolutely no evidence they existed at all?
It's almost as if the Machine, which was built specifically to bring the creatures/objects from the Book to it, managed to find/create almost exact matches to them... despite the absolute lack of evidence any of them actually existed before the machine was built, which means it's entirely possible they never actually existed in history, instead being created beings based on the primitive/futuristic creatures/objects written about in the Scarlet/Violet book.
Perhaps Heath DID see the Paradoxes due to the "time" machine, but there is still no other evidence the Paradoxes existed in the crater or anywhere else until the machine got built, there were no sightings of them in any of the journals in the crater written before the machine got built, and no mentions of seeing them by anyone who entered the crater before it got built, plus the lack of fossilized remains is interesting to note
@@cgoober2000 do not care.
@@Yuri-tk1oibruh he tries to explain all these things to you and the only thing you can say is "do not care"?
@@Halberds8122 stuff i already know, and tbh, i trust the Pokedex (even tho it looks like it was writen by some random kids who were exited to overrate any pokemon they saw, like tyranitar can't take any damage what so ever, Machamp can punch someone out of the human eye range aka the horizon, and so goes on) than some theory tbh
I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, i just like the Pokedex entry and I would like it to stay the way it is
@@Yuri-tk1oi Thing is the paradoxical nature of the Paradox pokemon, funny their called that when their existence is a paradox huh, makes it that any information on them is dubious at best. Even accepting that some of the dex is hyperbole it's pretty explicit that nobody really knows anything about the paradox pokemon, heck I doubt even Sada/Turo properly knew much about them beyond that they come from the past or future and came from their machine.
I like to think that the Paradox Forms are just pokémon that Sada and Turo sent to the past or future for a unspecified amount of time and while they were there, they started to adapt to the new change in landscape, while Roaring Moon and Slither Wing are actual ancestors to the modern pokémon they are based off, this also explains why the Future Forms are all robots because they were all altered in the future.
I love your take on the future paradox pokemon. One thing I liked about Iron Tread’s design is that he doesn’t just look like the Pokémon but robot, he looks like the was based on Donphan, but was mainly used to fulfill a function, so I like it looks more like a wheel rather than Donphan. I do prefer the past paradox Pokémon, but the ones you drew were amazing
Now I want more Paradox Future Mons with "Biomimicry" as an inspiration.
I think Iron Bundle might also be an example of this
i'm really sad over the future paradox pokemon cuz i much prefer the concept of them, but the actual execution feels so bland and uninspired.
I love that you gave the Paradox Garchomp's shiny the colors of the beta Garchomp. 😍❤️
Iron Torch is definitely my favorite. I'd love to see you create Paradox forms of Lickilicky, Crabominable or Komala.
Holy shit - IRON CRAB
I'm imagining a future Komala trapped/sealed inside its "log", kind of like those cryostasis pods
@@ghifariasoka8272 thats a brilliant idea!
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I absolutely adore these designs, and appreciate the thought you gave to the previously undercooked concept of future Pokemon. Scalding Jaws is my favourite past mon, and Iron Gazer is my favourite future mon. Each of these designs looks so full of character and charm, so it'd be a shame if they were 'entirely' absent from your fan project, though your personal vision is what's important at the end of the day. Great work!
Love how pokemon dips their toes into an idea and the fandom just, does it more and better.
I love the future paradox's more than the past paradox's, they all look really cool, I like how they share a design scheme much more obviously than the past ones, which in my opinion are not as good looking as violet's ones
Iron valiant and iron moth being my favourites because they change the most from the originals, iron valiant is a mix of both gallade and gardevoir, and iron moth's wings being separated from its body makes it look more futuristic, I love how the lights on all of them break up the silver and grey of the rest of the body, and the lights can turn off when they sleep, which is an awesome detail
As a huge Granbull fan I LOVE what you did with the second design attempt. Has way more personality and attitude!
Fantastic designs all around. So glad to see some really unique future paradox Pokemon! I think Starmie was my favorite
Personally, I'm a big fan of Violet's Paradox Pokemon and while I understand why they may not be appealing to some, I'm glad you still decided to design some of your own (they turned out great by the way, I love Iron Gazer)
A past paradox Pokemon I made is the Fire Fairy type Blazing Star, an ancient Clefable. It doesn't have the spikes, but it has feathers on its back and it's wings are fiery and feathered and much bigger, and it's belly has a large flame sac, so it's belly glows like fire when it uses any fire attacks. It has inspirations from the Phoenix.
One more thing about Paradox Pokemon: with the exception of the cover legends, every past Paradox Pokemon's base stat value is an odd number, while for future Paradox Pokemon, they're even instead. For example, Great Tusk's stat spread is 115/131/131/53/53/87, while Iron Tread's stat spread is 90/112/120/72/70/106
Something I don’t think most take into account with the future paradox pokemon is how they change their appearances when attacking, sleeping, or moving. Iron treads becomes a wheel. Iron Bundle’s “bundle” is a water canon attached to it. Iron Moth has its wings freely move around it while attacking, Iron hands has its hands connect to it’s body while it’s resting. Yes past Pokémon have cooler designs up front, but I feel like it’s under appreciated with how much effort and attention to detail went into the past paradox designs. This isn’t meant to be a dig towards you or other Pokémon fans by any means who prefer one of the other, I just feel that most people are looking at these designs at face value instead of fully appreciating them for all the animations and small details.
As much as I love Violet, I do wish the Future paradoxes were more unique like the past ones. Most of the future paradoxes( except Miraidon) felt too Artificial and Hollow. It's weird to describe. Awesome video!! :D
That's actually what I love about them.The future paradox Pokemon are terrifying to think about. Entirely robotic with no organic parts to them, uncanny and roaming around. They feel so much more creepy and deadly, especially when exploring area zero
15:06 I like the idea that scalding jaws is an anscestor of Garchomp and Sharpedo as they are pretty similar
These are amazing! What are your thoughts on the notion that Paradox Pokémon aren't actually from the Past nor future, but are instead manifestations of what Professor Sada/Turo see as what the Past and Future is like based on a Dubious Sci-Fi Magazine?
the notebook seems to imply that they're manifestations, maybe tied to the weird sun disk pokemon.
like slitherwing is said to have 0 fossil record, so it feels like speculative stuff come to life,
not sure how i feel about it as i'm firmly on "fossil pokemon aren't 1:1 with what they were in life due to the rock", so i'd like to one day see the ancient mons, but at the same time speculative stuff made real lets them go crazy with it.
@@tpeack The safest thing anyone can really say at this point is that we can’t believe anything we’re told about them. Their origins are basically unknown, and the sources we get info about them from are biased or dubious. Only thing we truly know is that they’re in the game.
@@tpeack The thing with Fossil Pokémon and other prehistoric pokemon (Like Mamoswine and Tangrowth) that they lack all the aspects Paradox Pokémon do, even though the backstory of the former would perfectly excuse them having those aspects. But they don't.
I feel like Game freak missed out on that opportunity to explore how the fossil Pokémon looked like in the past or how interpretations from the movies evolved them into something new in the future. Hope the DLC could do something like that
To be perfectly honest, I'm in love with your future paradox pokemon and want to see more of your ideas. Heck to go a step further, I want to see redesigns of the current ones with your imagination spiced onto them.
i would love if they tried their hand at redesigning them!
8:53 I love the fact that you put some helpful advice so that anyone can improve their own art😊 I just think it’s an amazing addition❤
I loved the "Subjectively Advice" pop ups that showed up every once in a while, the tips themselves help out a lot, and they really make you stick your eyes to the video to see if one pops up, they kinda feel like loading screen tips from a video game (but like, actually helpful tips, unlike the "your chances to harm the enemy increase when you shoot" kinda tips, i could not figure some of these things out by myself). Keep it up!
A Mazah Honedge sounds like a super interesting regional variant ! It could evolve into a lance. Exploring meso-american weapons would be a really cool way to incorporate more "traditional" looking designs.
I adore iron torch! I love how it almost looks like a little spaceman and it go so well with the starmie paradox you designed
Definitely nailed the 'cute robot companion' motif for Iron Torch. All these fakemon designs are all super good, but I'm a super sucker for little baby robots.
I share the same thought that the future designs are just lacking something. They are just robots to me. But your work is great as always here! Grumble brute is my favourite from these designs!
These are some of my favorite paradox designs I have seen. I need these in the Mazah game eventually kinda like a sun and moon thing where mega evolution was just kinda added at the end
I, personally, really love the concept of Paradox Pokemon and really like most of the designs we have had so far. I wonder what else might get Paradox forms in the potential DLC.
hoping for aquatic dracopult (as it's the ghost of a prehistoric mon it'd be nice to see it) and some kind of crab or squid metagross.
would be nice to see some of the starters done too, like a therizinosaur sceptile or power armor chessnaught.
really what i want to see is relicanth, back in the time of it's "youth"
seeing the fossil pokemon "as they were" or what they could've been in a possible future could be nice.
@@tpeack yes! I find it interesting that they mention that Dragapult had once lived an aquatic life before it turned into the Dragapult we know today in the game before the one that introduces past forms.
Another reason that I think Dragapult might get a past form is that Tyranitar, a pseudo legendary Scarlet exclusive, got a Violet exclusive future form. And Dragapult which is also a pseudo legendary and a Violet exclusive, so it might get a Scarlet exclusive past form if that makes any sense
According to the game itself (in the Scarlet and Violet books available in the library), there will be paradoxes based on legendary trios.
The Swords of Justice (Unova) for Violet, and the Legendary Beasts (Johto) for Scarlet.
I absolutely adore the direction you took granbull!! I was initially worried it'd become another wolf derivative, so I very much appreciate the caveman/tusked dog route you took instead. I hope Bella is as satisfied with Grumble brute as I would be.
What you said about gender and Iron Valiant is really interesting, but personally, I see the design as incorporating themes of both sides of binary gender so that anyone can see it as, in some ways, similar to themselves. Maybe it's just me, but I can see it looking both primarily masculine and primarily feminine depending on the way I look at it. Oh, and Iron Valiant is my favorite future paradox, too.
So, it's just androgynous? Like a lot of real world people are today.
You're still carrying either male or female parts, either way, though...
@@Zac_Frostugh can you _not_ be a prick? I mean, people with both parts exist, and also, as was said in this video...*it's a robot* do robots have biological sex? No.
I’ve got about 3 ideas for past paradox Pokemon.
The first one, which I’m gonna call “Astral Stones”, would be a Rock/Psychic Onix based on an Asteroid belt.
The second, which I’ll just call “Hooded Toxin”, would be a Poison/Dark type resembling Arbok, which would sort of be an amalgamation of various snakes, but would very clearly be based on Titanoboa.
And the third is probably the most absurd, a Water/Fighting paradox Kommo-o based on Mosasaurus, but it’s honestly my favorite.
In today's episode of Subjectively, Jack draws Skynet as a Pokemon 🤣
Absolutely loved the Iron Gazer!
I thought (since I didn’t okay their debut game) that Sharpedo evolved into Garchomp for the longest time. They look so similar.
You did a great job summarizing my issues with the future paradox forms and implementing constructive changes in the designs, well done.
I love how everyone gives garchomp a lot of love with paradox pokémon
THANK U!!! i have been completely unable to articulate why i dont like the violet paradoxes as much as the scarlet ones but u stated it so simply, AND made COOLER ONES!!!!
These are epic! I always love your dedication to the thematic design of pokemon, rather than anything biological
As someone who studies echinoderms irl I love the paradox Starmie! Something you landed on that idk if you realize is that in making it look more like a satellite you also made it look a LOT like a pluteus, the larval form of sea stars and sea urchins. This is really interesting because neotenization (evolution by retention of baby/juvenile features into adulthood) is a not often talked about force of irl evolution despite being more common than many think (for example, if you've ever seen an adult dodo and a baby pigeon you'll notice they look very similar, and it's been proposed that bird skulls are neotenous to other dinosaurs in turn), AND it plays into Starmie's eldritch-ness when you know a bit about how echinoderm growth works; they start life as bilaterally symmetrical drifters (usually, a few species skip this stage), going where the current takes them. But the adults are radially symmetrical (usually they're specifically five-sided), so how do you stop having a left and right and start having sides I-V? Turns out you become something like a tumor on your own body, growing larger until you settle in the sand and burst free of the empty husk of your infant self. I like the idea of Iron Gazer drifting through the cosmos, searching for a place to land and become something entirely eldritch.
Jack: "These designs should not be interpreted as biological predecessors to future Pokémon."
Me: "BUT THE LOOORREE...."
You mean the lore that implies none of the Paradoxes actually existed in history?
The lore implies they are the malformed constructs of a machine-god powered by other worldly crystals that preys upon the minds of any person, naive enough to think area zero is just another geographic accident.
If my memory serves me Granbull was the first Pokemon I ever got to level 100, so seeing an awesome Past Paradox version with an amazing stat spread AND a killer type combination is just too cool for words!
Plus Granbull is my favorite Fairy Type. :P
As someone that willingly chose Violet version…
I really do wish the future Paradoxes were more different than the mons they were based on 😩 like, I do enjoy some of them for sure! But… gosh, man, Scarlet really did good with their paradoxes AND shinies
I ADORE IRON GAZER omg I wish they did what you did with future paradoxes in the game
I would’ve loved it if more of the future paradoxes were combos of Pokémon in branched evolutions. A good option that follows the points you made on gender about Gallade and Gardevoir would be Huntail and Gorebyss. Also I started imagining a merged Hitmon pokemon with Hitmonchan’s fist, Hitmonlee’s legs and a rotating mid section with Hitmontop’s legs attached
The future pokemon in game were...underwhelming and im so glad I got scarlet instead BUT your iron gazer would've had me rethinking that decision!! I LOVE that design!!! It's so dang cool!! I want one on my team! I can only imagine what noise it makes too! (A garbled techy 'hiyah!') It's definitely my favorite of your redesigns. The little toy being my second. Reminds me of a poochie and I'd definitely have one in my house
You put my thoughts about the future Pokemon into perfect words. I *love* the future Starmie you did, it's amazing and more of what I would have liked to see. Though I am also bummed out that *every* future Pokemon was a robot. I feel like there could be so many more creative designs if they weren't all robots!
I really liked your Iron Gazer. I wouldn't have thought to use Starmie in such a way.
I really like the current "sprite" but they always improve every time you redraw them :) Looking forward to the new ones!
I also saw a post yesterday that fits this change well: "The more hair I lose, the more head I get." ;)
Grumble Brute's design reminded me of Muggshot from the Sly Cooper series. Love it!
I wanted to talk about the Paradox Pokemon design conventions you highlighted, give my thoughts on your designs, and share what I hope to see in the future!
I love the past Paradox Pokemon much more. I love how they're made to be WILD and FERAL versions of Pokemon! Prehistoric in an aesthetic sense! In addition to some of the features you mentioned, I think some equally important things to mention is bigger size (huge animals is a huge part of prehistoric creatures in an aesthetic sense), exagerated features (kinda ties into bigger size), and more vibrant colors.
I wanted to highlight the latter of the two. One of my favorite things was the use of color in the past Paradox Pokemon designs; both the same/similar colors as the original design as well as new vibrant colors! I wish some of your designs used more bold and vibrant color choices like many of the other Past Paradox Pokemon do. The expressions of the Pokemon also didn't feel Wild enough imo, but that might just be me idk. Maybe the expressions and faces of the Pokemon could be more feral?? (Like how many of the past Paradox Pokemon have more jagged mouths or fangs, different scalera colors, etc.).
(Also about Jagged Blade in particular, I think you could have done what was done with Flutter Mane and make them feel less like a first stage evolution. Flutter Mane was made bigger and had more exagerated features, much stronger silhouette befitting of a fully evolved Pokemon. The longer and more interesting sash on Jagged Blade is AWESOME, but it otherwise feels like an awkward middle ground between a 1st evolution Regional Variant and a Paradox Pokemon. I would have liked if you played with the proportions and silhouette even more, perhaps elongating the blade to feel like a full sword.)
I think you *NAILED* the problem I had with the future Paradox Pokemon! I LOVE how Iron Valiant inovated on the designs of the Pokemon it were based off of, and I (as a trans girl) was really happy you mentioned the idea of gender that the Pokemon brings up, as I don't see enough people talking about it and I thought it was really cool to see!!
Iron Gazer is an INCREDIBLE design!!!!! If all the future Paradox Pokemon followed a similar principle I think they could actually compete in coolness with the past Paradox Pokemon. LOVE IT. Iron Torch I'm not as much a fan of, but the base Pokemon didn't excactly give you much to work with tbf... LMAO-
I would love to see more wild past Paradox Pokemon designs, I literally cannot get enough of them the concept is so cool!!!!! (Scream Tail and Flutter Mane are some new favorites of mine, LOVE THEM). I also would LOVE to see more future Paradox Pokemon designs, perhaps redesigning some of the other future Paradox Pokemon with the new design conventions in mind. (Except Iron Valiant, I love them SO MUCH. Another new favorite for me). I'm also in love with the concept of this new take on the future Paradox Pokemon and would love to see more of them. Awesome video!!!
Fun fact : great tusk is based in when film directors glued fake tusks and fur in asiatic elephants to make mammoths in movies
I wish the future Paradoxes didn't all go the simple route of "just make it a -toy- robot!" Would be much more interesting if we got living beings that adapted to a much more technological environment. Electric types that developed a plug-like tail and learned to hack systems, a random Pokémon that gained the Flying Type from a set of holographic/hardlight wings added to its regular bodyplan, sleeker and more "finished" versions of "manmade" looking Pokémon...
Porygon is right there! Perfect opportunity to give it a form that finally resembles an actual bird - somewhere on the scale of the Route1 Flying Types, but based on its original colors.
This video is absolutely incredible inspiration for folks like myself who wanna make their own fakemon region like yours, and while I refuse to agree with the absolute SLANDER of the future paradoxes, your exploration and design breakdowns of them were genuinely helpful in advising me on how to avoid such pitfalls myself, not to mention how incredibly your own paradoxes from both past and future turned out!
I was never a huge fan of staru but looking at iron gazer I think this is better than all of the other future paradox Pokémon combined! As well as being my favourite paradox pokemon you made in this video! And even the name is amazing!!
that future staryu is to die for! its so pretty and conceptually great....
I 100% agree with you when it comes to the future paradox Pokémon; they're just robotic versions of the regular Pokémon and don't really add anything. I love your concept for Iron Gazer, and would have preferred that the future paradox Pokémon followed similar design conventions, however, I personally don't think that Iron Torch was enough of a "fusion" of both Volbeat and Illumise (I do love the design; it looks like Catbug from The Bravest Warriors). The two are nearly identical, but I think, at the very least, adding a bit of red would make it more clear that it's a fusion, kind of how Iron Valiant was clearly a Gardevoir/Gallade fusion. I'm not an artist, but that's my thought.
I have the same issues you do with the future Pokémon. The new Starmie is AMAZING
Here for the Granbull and Volbeat/Illumise love too
I was absolutely kicking my feet excitedly watching you make your future paradox pokemon I love both of them
Your prehistoric Honedge, LOVE the bird head guard!
Iron Gazer is just so damn cool. I'm a huge robot guy, and while I love the future paradoxes quite a bit, I do wish that they did more with both the original design contents as well as the fact that they are machines, likely built to serve some sort of purpose, whether that be to help a job or just for murder. While Iron Torch does that very well, I just like the Starmie line more and I think the red center eye lends really well to a future design. It's like HAL in 2001 or AUTO in Wall-E, with that ominous glowing red eye. Just a very solid and interesting design.
I really love your concept for future paradox pokemon. They feel like machines whose design was inspired by pokemon, and then went on to become pokemon. Not only does that make a lot more sense (because why would anything evolve into a robot), it also mixes very well with actual pokemon lore, since we know man-made pokemon are a Thing (ex: Gollem)
i LOOOOOOOOOOOVE the Granbull wow. Fantastic job.
I COMPLETELY agree with you on the future paradox mons and I appreciate you getting more creative than most of the official designs for your fakemon
That honedge was definitely my favorite of your past forms, I love the obsidian aesthetic, and my favorite of the future forms has to be the starmie. Great work!
Iron Gazer was amazing! It's probably my favorite out of the designs you did. I didn't think about the future paradox pokemon kinda being uninspired and not really adding anything, but I had to agree with you when you brought it up.
I love and appreciate the way you articulated the nuances and conventions of the past paradox designs. I noticed them but I never really found a way to properly explain it in my head and to friends so I really grateful ^^ . Also I really liked your design for paradox garchomp, big blue land sausage I lobe.
Ok I initially thought it was only 2 paradoxes but I was pleasantly surprised by more paradoxes ^^
About the starmie paradox, I personally feel like the idea is cool, but there are some parts of the design that I find,,, make it slightly less friend shaped for some reason? and also the eye you gave it makes it harder to emote like other paradox forms. I find tht for me the charm in the future paradoxes I grew to love were how the screen display faces made i so that it could emote in such cute ways with simplistic ^ ^ eyes and the like, this gave me the impression that despite them looking or being man-made, they still have emotions and are still living beings, just not able to express as freely due to mechanical limitations, and can still be my friend. That being said I do wish they went more outlandish and explored more with the paradox designs (mainly hands, jugulus, thorns, and maybe moth). Im hesitant to add iron bundle because I love the fact it has a deadly pressure water blaster and a goofy neck that can extend but its probabl bias talking. I feel like there are definately designs that could take advantage of mechanical parts and technology to make cool designs and I hope we get more of that in the dlc if there is any.
(hopefully I made sense or got my point across hhhhh)
The future forms and honedge were definitely my big faves there, you did such an awesome job on all of the designs. The starmie one, going off of a satellite was such a unique idea
I'm happy about the Honedge one, it's the first time I've seen anyone else do a prevo paradox.
I actually came up with two paradox forms myself, for Gastly; Dark Oculus, Poison/Dark, and Iron Phantom, Ghost/Electric.
Dark Oculus resembles Dark Matter and the Eye Of Cthulhu from the Kirby series and Terraria respectively, including the eye to mouth transformation. Iron Phantom is based on standby mode, also called phantom load, and slightly resembles a Voltorb when inactive.
I *LOVE* Jagged Swings. An ancient paradox honedge?!? that's not only obsidian rock (which i love), but also the long-awaited ghost/rock unique type combo?!?! amazing. so well done.
Just want to say that I loved Iron Gazer, and felt like that was a brilliant way of interpreting a future Paradox Pokemon into something that wasn't just "make it a glowy cyborg version." The mechanical iris aperture in place of the gem was inspired, and gives it a sort of GLaDOS vibe that I really enjoy, while the glowing panels create a sense both of some kind of solar sails and of star fields, which feels perfect for a Pokemon meant to be a satellite. Iron Torch is precious and adorable, and feels like some kind of Furby meets Tamagotchi thing that can maybe learn to speak from its human as it watches over them at night.
Also, I have to say that watching this and hearing your breakdown particularly of the past Paradox Pokemon has actually given me a bit more of an appreciation for the entire concept. While Iron Valiant was at least a little visually interesting to me, I honestly felt that the Paradox Pokemon on the whole were incredibly uninspired as a concept when I first saw them. Like, I very much didn't see the appeal, even as my fiance was delighted by them on his play-through, and happily went back to catch some to trade with me (as we always play opposite versions from one another). I'm usually not a person who enjoys the "take X, add spikes/horns/fangs, call it prehistoric version!" or "add LEDs/armor/cables, call it sci-fi version!" way of creating variations on a concept. It usually feels kinda flat and one-dimensional versus some of the regional variants, which felt far more inspired for me (for instance, I loved Galarian Ponyta/Rapidash, because I adored how it took the Fairy typing and ran with it). In your breakdown of the Brute Bonnet design, I was able to see a bit more of the degrees of artistic separation going on, making it more than just "spiky Amoongus."
That said, I really did love your interpretations far more. There's a much stronger sense of both the sort of feral, ancient, prehistoric feel in your past Paradox Pokemon, removing them from their base concepts just a little bit more in a way that appeals to my eye. I loved Grumble Brute, with its knuckle-walking stance and the absurdly huge fangs, and how Scalding Jaws had that sleeker design that hints at aspects of not only Garchomp, but also Sharpedo and even (as you mentioned) Cetitan. It feels at once like a link to its source material, but also like a whole new creature, which delights me in ways that the official Paradox Pokemon didn't. And Jagged Swings was just beautiful; I love the reinterpretation of the face on Honedge into the beaky, bird-like face you gave Jagged Swings, which makes it feel both ancient and like something from some vanished culture. There's a lot of character-ful feel to these designs, and overall I really love all of the concepts you've created here.
I loved your concept of Iron Gazer the most. Took the Starmie disign on a whole new level :)
I loved Scalding Jaws and Jagged Blades! And I especially love your retake on future forms because Iron Gazer is so cool! An idea I had for a past form was a drowzee with long tusks that swirl into a hypnosis ring and a future form of Yanmega that become a helicopter drone
the really enjoyed the "Subjective Advice" boxes that popped up during the video!!! keep up the awesome work!
These slap. While I am not near as much of a fan of the future paradox in the games I think I like your Starmie the most out of these. Then the robobug and sword. Then the Garchomp and granbull. Seriously impressive all around.