Things you missed: - Pyro Ball also doesn't make contact so you don't have to worry about contact abilities. - Torch Song is also sound so it goes through Substitute. - Flower Trick doesn't make contact and also doesn't miss.
@@ernestomoreno4409 Other interesting mechanics the game doesn't tell you: - Poison types will never miss Toxic, and will hit through Fly and Dig. - Ghost types can always flea a wild battle. - Emergency Exit will not switch Golisopod out if hit by a Pokemon with Sheer Force hold a Life Orb... and will not switch out by the effects of Substitute, Curse and Pain Split - Gravity not only Grounds ALL Pokemon on the filed, accuracy is increased by 34% for all Pokemon moves, excluding OHKO moves. - Grassy Terrain reduces the power of Earthquake and Earth Power - Hypnosis is the only Psychic move that will land on Dark types - A lot of moves have certain interactions with others: Minimized Pokemon take more damage from Stomp Dive Pokemon take more damage from Surf Defense Curl increases damage of Roll Out And many, many more hidden mechanics like that.
I’d also add Triple Arrows to that, that move is disgustingly good. Focus energy, a 50% defense drop _and_ a flinch chance all in one? That could get so much use on a mon, close combat be damned
I would like it on Exploud, just a kind of random mon who wouldn't destroy the universe. Like when Cacturne got spiky shield, it just sorta made a bad Pokémon less bland AND bad Or... give it to Primarina because liquid voice and watch people lose their minds
I’m pretty sure we all ran Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, and Volt Tackle back in the day because the anime made them look so cool. We all remember watching that Charizard vs Blaziken fight and thinking Blaze Kick was awesome.
tbf pikachu is a physical attacker, its just that pikachu's movepool has never actually been fully available to it. Double Team - Volt Tackle - Meteor Mash - Flying Press is the best coverage any pokemon in all of pokemon got Pre-Gen-9 giving us Pawmot and Iron Hands who can get Electric, Fighting, ice, and Ground simultaneously.
@@bulborb8756 The one thing that irks me is when GF makes pokemon mixed attackers who are slow..........also most of the time mixed attackers prefer using either Physical or special for maximum potential damage output so why bother do a mixed attacker? Change the 100 special attack Decidueye and trade it with it's 70 speed, at least then it would be better.
@@rockowlgamer631 I'll never understand why GF decided to make BOTH Decidueye forms slow. In Gen 7, Primarina and Incineroar were already slow special and physical attackers respectively. Decidueye being an archer should have been faster and more physically focused. If they wanted it to be a mixed attacker, just trade its defenses and put the points into speed.
Forgot Court Change, which is my favourite move of all time. This move would change singles forever, if it was distributed to other mons. Although it doenst fit Cinderace well, its still used and pairs well with its most common item - heavy duty boots. Definitly my number 1 pick, the utility is just unmatched.
Same goes for mat block for greninja, a protect that shields both you and your team mates with the only downsides being a. Greninja is mostly offensive And b. There's no priority on this move
Some changes that I think might be interesting -Heat Crash being fire type body press, higher damage the higher the defence stat -If Snipe Shot is to stay an Intellion exclusive then it should always critical hit like Meowscarada’s Signature Move -If Aqua Step was on more Pokemon then it would be treated like the water type equivalent of Flame Charge and Trail Blaze
While that would be interesting, I think that the gen 7+ starter pokémon had their signature moves carefully crafted into specifically fit their theme and anatomy without most of the other pokémon being able to replicate them. It also gives an excuse to let the starters stand out amongst their peers in order to give people a reason to keep them in their teams since no other pokémon can do those moves. (Incineroar's Darkest Lariat is an exception for some reason). Who knows, perhaps we'll get another musical themed fire type, or an archer bird, or grass magician? Either way, it would be sad if the gen 9 signature moves get distributed more because GF would probably need to nerf them if they did.
@@varanus5622 all of them can be shared among other pokemon The British ones : how you mention Pyro ball - is easy Grass one - you don’t have to have drums for it , same thing with “punch” and “kick” moves. Snipe shot also
I do feel you should have mention Quaquaval's hidden ability Moxie effectively turning aqua step into an attacking dragon dance. Its requires Quaquaval to get a ko, which is restricted by Aqua step's 80 base power, but it can still potentially make Quaquaval unstoppable once an opponents team is weakened.
1. Surf got nerfed to 90 BP in Gen VI onward, making it the same power as Sparkling Aria and Liquid Voice Hyper Voice. 2. Incineroar gained Knock Off in Ultra Sun/Moon; it wasn't able to get it in Sword/Shield without transferring it from one of the Alola games.
I think you’re massively overstating how “bad” Leaf Blade is for Sceptile. Yes, Sceptile is built for Special Attacks and the mismatch is unfortunate, but it’s not like Sceptile sets never run Leaf Blade. Like you mentioned, Sceptile’s movepool is geared towards physical attacks. It sometimes runs physical Swords Dance sets, in which case Leaf Blade is its primary STAB option. Compared to Emboar’s Heat Crash or Blaziken’s Blaze Kick, or even Inteleon Snipe Shot, Sceptile gets much more use out of Leaf Blade.
For the life of me, I will never understand why Game Freaks gave Sceptile such an amazing physical movepool... just to give him a better special attack instead. Like, he's already a glass canon with pitiful health and defense, you can't really afford to share his stats equally in attack and special atk. Just let him be a rare physical oriented grass type, that's what he looks like anyway. With his incredible speed, he feels like he's built to trash those who say that Grass type sucks because of its many weaknesses.
13:10 Uh...did something happen in the editing process? It looks like the video skipped ahead, because the commentary seems to be a few seconds behind what's on the screen.
Small correction (prob not first to call it out), but there is one F tier stater exclusive, and it’s so bad you forgot to include it: Greninja is the only Pokémon to learn Mat Block in Gen 6, making it an exclusive (and unfortunately unspeakably garbage) move for it
@@EllipticalReasoning it's ass. really ass. it doesn't get priority and only works first turn on the field. it doesn't even have a use in vgc and was so trash they removed it
I will say Pyro Ball has to be me favorite. Not only is it stupid strong with the small 90% accuracy drawback (didn't stop me from missing it 3 times in a row once), it (at least in Sword and Shield) looked fantastic, one of the best animated....things in a Pokemon game. Unfortunately Scarlet and Violet gutted the cool factor dramatically.
Sadly, we had to trade cool animations for open world. Hopefully they are able to bring the cool animations back for Z-A seeing as how they hired/are hiring more people to work on games.
@@danovadragonplayz7115 which is just a downgrade as the open world wasn't even good, no level scaling just makes it feel linear because as soon as you enjoy exploring, you remember that you can't overlevel or gym battles won't be fun anymore
Wow, a rare Delphox compliment! Video deserves a like just for that. It's kind of surprising considering the rest of the podcast unapologetically hates its guts. A W for JPR.
i’m just glad to find another pokétuber vouch for delphox’s design i’ve been fighting for that thing’s life ever since it first came out 💀 (it’s been a painful decade…)
Fr man it's one of my favorites, I've always loved it and was genuinely shocked when I first found out like years later that it was getting so much absolutely unfounded disrespect. (and chesnaut too, he's fine and doesn't deserve his sheer hate either)
Zippy Zap is the one best absolute attack. 80 power, +Speed AND evasion GUARANTEED and it's a priority move. It literally has been BUFFED in gen 8 even though no pokemon can use it
Volt Tackle should've been a widely available physical electric move; this would make it a counterpart to flare blitz, wave crash, and wood hammer, and give all of the physical electric types a better attack than supercell slam.
@@robertlupa8273 I just looked at the list of pokemon that learn it, and turns out a really big portion of them aren't electric types, so ig as a basic physical electric coverage move its good that it can't para-not to mention it does really low recoil compared to like flare blitz and stuff. Still supercede slam being the only good physical electric move is tragic.
Being an Electric Physical attacker is one of the of the worst fate a Pokemon can face (unless you're a Togedemaru with a good built-in signature move) due to the options being hot garbage. It's worse than Physical Fire really.
Spiky Shield is 100% top tier. Its protect but damage on contact. Its the single most optimal Protect clone there is, even better than Burning Bulwark or King's Shield. Its even better than regular Protect.
unrelated, but it's really cool that delphox got wish and toxic at one point, because it fits both the D&D-style wizard (Wish being a super powerful spell) AND the Final Fantasy Black Mage-style (Toxic = Poison or Bio) it really felt like it was a proper wizard!
Sparkling Aria has the same base power as Surf after that got nerfed in gen 6, actually. And Aria is the move of choice in Battle Stadium Singles (the in-game 3v3 format), at least, due to it bypassing Subs and the drawback of healing burns not being particularly relevant.
I love how if you breakdown flower trick, that deceptively weak seeming 70 power move becomes insanely broken conceptually. Its a 105 base power STAB move that ignores the user's attack drop and the foe's defense drops and also ignores screens. Oh yeah but it will factor in the user's attack boosts and opponents defense drops 😊. (your only damage reduction is burn lmao)
The Kanto starters could only learn Hydro Canon, Blast Burn, and Frenzy Root on gen 3 via move tutors. Lets put all on S tier cuz of them as gmax moves!
They really aren't. All the physical attacking starters will never run them, and even the special attackers would only have them so they can have more powerful max or z moves of their respective types. No two turn move that doesn't have weather synergy, raise an attacking stat or is Geomancy sees any serious play in competitive play.
I think the only time any of them were viable was blast burn with charizard in gen 3 ou because of how absurdly strong it would hit after petaya berry, blaze, and potentially sun. I think it can 1-shot a Blissey with all those power-ups which is really insane
Technically Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon were exclusive to the Kanto starters' final evolutions, with the others not able to get them until Diamond and Pearl onwards, the only exception being the Johto starters in XD
I also love it. It fits magician vibe so well. In fact, I don't really hate any post gen 6 starters. The one I'm not fond of is just normal Typhlosion. It's bland but still nice.
Gonna be honest, while I did remember Court Change actually exist and is one of Cinderace signature moves, I didn't remember Mat Block even existed. At all. In fact, I never learnt how it worked in gen 6, because I didn't consult wikis as much at that point, and the game didn't tell you that it only works on the first turn. So yeah, I erased the existance of that move from my mind.
Inteleon's snipe shot should have honestly gotten meowscarada's effect. A sniper built on critical hits makes more sense than funny magician cat to have an always critting no miss move.
In 8 they were trying not to break the game wide open with the starter moves. In Gen 9 they stopped pretending to care about balance. That's why Torch Song is literally just Volcarona's already powerful signature move Fiery Dance but with the effect chance doubled. They moved the goalpost on balance.
I don't know if they are proper signature moves but Razor Shell, Leaf tornado, Flame wheel, Tatamigaeshi and court change could have definitely been mentioned.
till this day Greninja's Protean nerf and Battle Bond nerf hurts me, i know im probably the only one since Greninja was hated for being in almost evey team but damn he was a fun pokemon
Another thing about Inteleon’s signature move: It has innate Stalwart/Propeller Tail, giving it a niche over its other water stabs since it can’t be redirected by Storm Drain, Follow Me, or Rage Powder
Another problem with Muddy Water is that you’ll probably have already Surf from beating Norman before Swampert gets Muddy Water at level 39, and Marshtomp only gets it if you hold off evolving it to Swampert for one level at 37
@@marioipod you’re probably misremembering because Serebii, Bulbapedia, and PokemonDB list Swampert learning Muddy Water at 39 from gens 3-7 and 42 in gens 8 & 9. He does learn protect at 46 in gens 3-5 and XY and doesn’t learn anything at 46 in ORAS or gens 7-9
Darkest Lariat haunts me as it is the best move the Unrivaled Incineroar brings when you keep your defense very high via Psych Up from it's Bulk Up spam.
It’s crazy how all the starter signature moves in d tier are excellent on Ubers in that meta, like heat crash primal groudon being like 120bp against Pokémon like necrozma dusk mane, leaf blade is the grass attack for physical attackers, and mystical fire is a great addition to xerneas to hit steel types with a move stronger than hidden power
One thing to take into account is that in USUM is that water type attack tms are kinda rare until poni canyon so sparkling aria can be useful in an adventure as the best other option us running water pulse until you get surf
Sincerally, i would separate regular gren from ash gren. In greninja case i agree with everything you said thats a A rank move for being a priority stab that has a chance for big damage. But in ash gren case, thats a priority stab in a hands of legendary level sp.atk that always deals big damage, cuz battle bond not only raises the move's bp to 25 per hit, but guarantees 3 hits instead of 2. For good mesures the only priority that surpass the bp of a 5 hits battle bond water shuriken is none other than kingambit's FIVE FALLEN BLACKGLASSES sucker punch (thats S+ for me)
The Kanto starters were the only ones to learn Hydro Canon, Blast Burn, and Frenzy Root on gen 3 via move tutors. Lets put all on S tier cuz of them as gmax moves!
one of the interesting aspects of Water Shuriken is that its surprisingly effective w/King's rock when the flinch chance works, especially if Greninja can come in behind a substitute and/or is able to have Evasion stacks as long as there's no water immune mons. I can still recall my Greninja flinching a human opponent's venusaur for legit over 10 turns straight from Water Shuriken Spam w/King's rock flinch chance activating back in da x & y days. sure the chance is low since you're more than likely to hit 2-3 times rather than 4-5 but it weirdly works decently well 🤔 as for da High Crit rate moves like Leaf Blade/Blaze Kick, those're some of my fave moves, esp Blaze Kick's animation in the Colosseum/Battle Revolution spin-off series. sure their power/accuracy(for Blaze Kick) may be their weak point but the high crit ratios really nice. I always like using these even if there's stronger moves that could be used (depends on generation)
The thing is it wasn't, Emboar hat heat crash so people assumed Samurott also had a move, razor shell it shows Oshawott's shell in the animation after all but it was able to be learnt by shellder (not cloyster, only shellder) There's also Serperior's leaf tornado which also wasn't signature but I guess People were looking for a move to complete the trio
I feel bad for Inteleon. It's got a signature move that only has a higher chance of criting, Only fot Urshifu to show up in the DLC and have signature moves that do what Inteleons should have. Then just to rub salt in the wound, gen 9 just makes Meowscarada.
Snipe shot at C tier is INSANE 😭 In addition to its increased crit chance + inteleon having sniper, it ignores ALL redirection! This includes follow me, rage powder, ally switch, AND storm drain. As a VGC player, I'd have it in at least A tier of signature water moves. Other than that, I think the rankings are fairly accurate. You earned a sub 👍🏾
physical leaf blade at 90 base power is slightly stronger than special leaf blade at 70 power (in gen 3) for Sceptile, so your ranking makes no sense. It should at least be B tier imo.
also, technically in PLA, torterra, empoleon, and infernape gain headlong rush, wave crash, and raging fury as signature moves, respectively! (and lowkey also razor shell for samurott in BW)
Here’s a little tip for everyone: go on Pokémon showdown, stabmons, skill link cloyster, shell smash, water shuriken, any other moves you want. Throw a fire and grass type in there for coverage and win games.
When i was doing my first playthrough of violet. i just used torchsong and swept every team once i had the evolution. pumping special attack every turn, made it to where was one shotting with 1/2 or 1/4 effectiveness still.
Flower Trick is basically Slash and Razor Leaf in gen 1, which would crit nearly 100% the time, only difference is that Flower Trick never miss and have higher base atk. l'm a huge fan of the entire Sprigatito line but who the fk thought that bring back the most broken thing in gen1 but on steroids was a good idea? 😂
I'm glad I went with Sprigatito as my starter and to know what move was exclusive to her made it all the more wile and is my new favorite starter, debunking the god that was Sceptile
I'd put Blaze Kick a bit higher. But since other moves got updated here and there, maybe the accuracy can too, even if I personally didn't have issues with it.
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I'm not sure, but I think the visuals and audio got a bit de-synced during the S-tier segment.
Where would court change for Cinderace rank? It's a signature move for it.
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Speaking of Incineroar, I think it might have one of the hardest starter Pokemon raids in Scarlet and Violet
Where is Mat Block
You forgot Court Change, Mat Block and Skull Bash.
Things you missed:
- Pyro Ball also doesn't make contact so you don't have to worry about contact abilities.
- Torch Song is also sound so it goes through Substitute.
- Flower Trick doesn't make contact and also doesn't miss.
Also the fact that Sparkling Aria and Surf are equally as strong. They're both 90 base power. Surf got nerfed from 95 to 90 in Gen 6
@@TheRymHero Though for some reason Surf does have more PP.
But Surf is just a neutral move without your opponent going Dive
Just learned that sound moves hit through substitute. Thanks!
@@ernestomoreno4409 Other interesting mechanics the game doesn't tell you:
- Poison types will never miss Toxic, and will hit through Fly and Dig.
- Ghost types can always flea a wild battle.
- Emergency Exit will not switch Golisopod out if hit by a Pokemon with Sheer Force hold a Life Orb... and will not switch out by the effects of Substitute, Curse and Pain Split
- Gravity not only Grounds ALL Pokemon on the filed, accuracy is increased by 34% for all Pokemon moves, excluding OHKO moves.
- Grassy Terrain reduces the power of Earthquake and Earth Power
- Hypnosis is the only Psychic move that will land on Dark types
- A lot of moves have certain interactions with others:
Minimized Pokemon take more damage from Stomp
Dive Pokemon take more damage from Surf
Defense Curl increases damage of Roll Out
And many, many more hidden mechanics like that.
The day torch song is put on other Pokemon is the day competitive weaps
Weap what they swow😂
I’d also add Triple Arrows to that, that move is disgustingly good.
Focus energy, a 50% defense drop _and_ a flinch chance all in one? That could get so much use on a mon, close combat be damned
@dhsheb Do you have evidence of your claims?
I would like it on Exploud, just a kind of random mon who wouldn't destroy the universe. Like when Cacturne got spiky shield, it just sorta made a bad Pokémon less bland AND bad
Or... give it to Primarina because liquid voice and watch people lose their minds
Until gen 9 powercreep attacks.
You forgot the fact that Snipe Shot ignores moves like “Follow Me” and “Rage Powder”. So it’s more useful than its critical hit ratio.
Snipe shot also ignores Storm Drain in doubles
Damn really? If that was on a Pokémon that was better than Inteleon that could be kinda broken
Should have been a B tier. Since it is decently useful.
I’m pretty sure we all ran Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, and Volt Tackle back in the day because the anime made them look so cool. We all remember watching that Charizard vs Blaziken fight and thinking Blaze Kick was awesome.
Blaze Kick WAS/IS AWESOME, still a great alternative of ypu don't wanna deal with the Flare Blitz recoil
tbf pikachu is a physical attacker, its just that pikachu's movepool has never actually been fully available to it. Double Team - Volt Tackle - Meteor Mash - Flying Press is the best coverage any pokemon in all of pokemon got Pre-Gen-9 giving us Pawmot and Iron Hands who can get Electric, Fighting, ice, and Ground simultaneously.
Dude, memory unlock
I know I did on my Sceptile back in Ruby, and I tried to give my Pikachu in Pearl Iron Tail to make it like Ash's.
grovyle was so dope and i loved seeing him use leaf blade, shame it sucks for him now
It feels weird to realize Emboar's technically the only gen 5 starter that got a signature move
I always thought Razor Shell was OG Samurott's signature move...
@@harutosoma7186 It would have been if they didn't give it to Shellder at the same time
@@ryza_hd Shelder my detested
Samurott had razor shell and serperior had leaf tornado
@@DanifromDaniThose two moves were on other Pokémon in Gen 5
"Hisuian Decidueye is a pretty bad Pokémon competitively."
Reg H: im about to ruin this mans whole career
the only reason it's bad is simple due to 2 things: bad defensive typing and that it's slower then regular decidueye who was already slow
@@bulborb8756 The one thing that irks me is when GF makes pokemon mixed attackers who are slow..........also most of the time mixed attackers prefer using either Physical or special for maximum potential damage output so why bother do a mixed attacker?
Change the 100 special attack Decidueye and trade it with it's 70 speed, at least then it would be better.
@@rockowlgamer631Then you gut its special sets because special Decidueye gets used
@@bulborb8756It screws over Gholdengo and Palafin which makes its shortfalls irrelevant
@@rockowlgamer631 I'll never understand why GF decided to make BOTH Decidueye forms slow. In Gen 7, Primarina and Incineroar were already slow special and physical attackers respectively. Decidueye being an archer should have been faster and more physically focused. If they wanted it to be a mixed attacker, just trade its defenses and put the points into speed.
Forgot Court Change, which is my favourite move of all time. This move would change singles forever, if it was distributed to other mons. Although it doenst fit Cinderace well, its still used and pairs well with its most common item - heavy duty boots.
Definitly my number 1 pick, the utility is just unmatched.
I think it fits with the theme of Cinderace being a soccer player and all
@@exeggutivejudge3747 it fits Cinderace's theme, but gameplay wise... not too well. Give this move to a wall/bulky pivot and its even better.
Yeah and Mat Block. He forgot double signature moves
Same goes for mat block for greninja, a protect that shields both you and your team mates with the only downsides being a. Greninja is mostly offensive
And b. There's no priority on this move
agree, i used to run a support cinderace in sv ou and court change was super useful
Some changes that I think might be interesting
-Heat Crash being fire type body press, higher damage the higher the defence stat
-If Snipe Shot is to stay an Intellion exclusive then it should always critical hit like Meowscarada’s Signature Move
-If Aqua Step was on more Pokemon then it would be treated like the water type equivalent of Flame Charge and Trail Blaze
Can wait for Gen 10
When Flower trick and Torch song will be no longer signature moves and see how competitive will be blown forever
which mons do you think would be capable of learning them?
While that would be interesting, I think that the gen 7+ starter pokémon had their signature moves carefully crafted into specifically fit their theme and anatomy without most of the other pokémon being able to replicate them. It also gives an excuse to let the starters stand out amongst their peers in order to give people a reason to keep them in their teams since no other pokémon can do those moves. (Incineroar's Darkest Lariat is an exception for some reason). Who knows, perhaps we'll get another musical themed fire type, or an archer bird, or grass magician? Either way, it would be sad if the gen 9 signature moves get distributed more because GF would probably need to nerf them if they did.
@@spyroclone152 Pyro ball is pretty easy to redistribute thanks to its animation change in S/V
@@varanus5622 all of them can be shared among other pokemon
The British ones : how you mention Pyro ball - is easy
Grass one - you don’t have to have drums for it , same thing with “punch” and “kick” moves.
Snipe shot also
@@theamazingspooderman2697for Flower Trick, I'm thinking about H. Liligant. For Torch Song, it would be cool if Toxicitry also got it.
Aqua Step could be good for several Pokémon. Also, it could give Hitmonlee a water type “kicking” move.
Unburden Hitmonlee with Aqua Step 😮
@@MaahirMomtaz12
Would be overkill. Nothing is really outspeeding unburden lee anyway
Aqua step + Moxie is fun . Just hard to use
@@sinnohperson8813 It's not that hard to use. I've swept many battles with it.
@@miikaroos3809 hard in doubles is what I meant
I do feel you should have mention Quaquaval's hidden ability Moxie effectively turning aqua step into an attacking dragon dance. Its requires Quaquaval to get a ko, which is restricted by Aqua step's 80 base power, but it can still potentially make Quaquaval unstoppable once an opponents team is weakened.
1. Surf got nerfed to 90 BP in Gen VI onward, making it the same power as Sparkling Aria and Liquid Voice Hyper Voice.
2. Incineroar gained Knock Off in Ultra Sun/Moon; it wasn't able to get it in Sword/Shield without transferring it from one of the Alola games.
I think you’re massively overstating how “bad” Leaf Blade is for Sceptile. Yes, Sceptile is built for Special Attacks and the mismatch is unfortunate, but it’s not like Sceptile sets never run Leaf Blade.
Like you mentioned, Sceptile’s movepool is geared towards physical attacks. It sometimes runs physical Swords Dance sets, in which case Leaf Blade is its primary STAB option.
Compared to Emboar’s Heat Crash or Blaziken’s Blaze Kick, or even Inteleon Snipe Shot, Sceptile gets much more use out of Leaf Blade.
Sd unburden exist and the move was good in gen 3 not sure why is at the bottom
For the life of me, I will never understand why Game Freaks gave Sceptile such an amazing physical movepool... just to give him a better special attack instead. Like, he's already a glass canon with pitiful health and defense, you can't really afford to share his stats equally in attack and special atk. Just let him be a rare physical oriented grass type, that's what he looks like anyway. With his incredible speed, he feels like he's built to trash those who say that Grass type sucks because of its many weaknesses.
Snipe shot is an incredible move. It ignores move redirect, while having high crit ratio while also being on a sniper mon
Torch Song is scary with Throat Spray. It becomes Flamethrower and Nasty Plot in the same turn.
13:10 Uh...did something happen in the editing process? It looks like the video skipped ahead, because the commentary seems to be a few seconds behind what's on the screen.
Exactly my thought
Small correction (prob not first to call it out), but there is one F tier stater exclusive, and it’s so bad you forgot to include it: Greninja is the only Pokémon to learn Mat Block in Gen 6, making it an exclusive (and unfortunately unspeakably garbage) move for it
Mat Block can be used in doubles and was really good back then making it more useful than 80% of all signature moves on this list
@@thedragoknight6437 pretty good for cheesing the battle maison and tree in super doubles back then
mat block is an excellent move...
Yall out here counting doubles smh. Get a pair and play a real format smh
@@EllipticalReasoning it's ass. really ass. it doesn't get priority and only works first turn on the field. it doesn't even have a use in vgc and was so trash they removed it
8:17 that heal timing in sync with the avatar change was perfect
Another W for the editor
I will say Pyro Ball has to be me favorite. Not only is it stupid strong with the small 90% accuracy drawback (didn't stop me from missing it 3 times in a row once), it (at least in Sword and Shield) looked fantastic, one of the best animated....things in a Pokemon game. Unfortunately Scarlet and Violet gutted the cool factor dramatically.
Pyro Ball is one of, if not the best animated starter signature move
It and Flower Trick are probably amongst my favorite moves, and a big reason why I loved using those Pokémon in their respective games.
Cinderace was my first starter for sword and sheild and has been one of my favourite starter pokemon ever since
Sadly, we had to trade cool animations for open world. Hopefully they are able to bring the cool animations back for Z-A seeing as how they hired/are hiring more people to work on games.
@@danovadragonplayz7115 which is just a downgrade as the open world wasn't even good, no level scaling just makes it feel linear because as soon as you enjoy exploring, you remember that you can't overlevel or gym battles won't be fun anymore
They’ve been doing my boi Sceptile so dirty. He doesn’t deserve to be in ZU.
Sceptile is one of my GOATED mons and my first starter. Sadly it wasn’t doing well in competitive over the years.
They gave it Shed Tail at least
just swap it’s base attack and special attack
Just give Sceptile Earth Power and Nasty Plot already.
@@MeatbagSlayer it does have swords dance and earthquake though
Wow, a rare Delphox compliment! Video deserves a like just for that. It's kind of surprising considering the rest of the podcast unapologetically hates its guts. A W for JPR.
I love getting new JPR videos on Fridays to get me through the last few hours of work 🔥
i’m just glad to find another pokétuber vouch for delphox’s design i’ve been fighting for that thing’s life ever since it first came out 💀 (it’s been a painful decade…)
Fr man it's one of my favorites, I've always loved it and was genuinely shocked when I first found out like years later that it was getting so much absolutely unfounded disrespect. (and chesnaut too, he's fine and doesn't deserve his sheer hate either)
Zippy Zap is the one best absolute attack. 80 power, +Speed AND evasion GUARANTEED and it's a priority move. It literally has been BUFFED in gen 8 even though no pokemon can use it
Volt Tackle should've been a widely available physical electric move; this would make it a counterpart to flare blitz, wave crash, and wood hammer, and give all of the physical electric types a better attack than supercell slam.
Who had the audacity to make wild charge 90 power AND give it goddamn recoil
@@akshayreddy4071 AND not even give it a chance to Paralyze to compensate.
@@robertlupa8273 I just looked at the list of pokemon that learn it, and turns out a really big portion of them aren't electric types, so ig as a basic physical electric coverage move its good that it can't para-not to mention it does really low recoil compared to like flare blitz and stuff. Still supercede slam being the only good physical electric move is tragic.
@@akshayreddy4071 SERIOUSLY!!!
Being an Electric Physical attacker is one of the of the worst fate a Pokemon can face (unless you're a Togedemaru with a good built-in signature move) due to the options being hot garbage.
It's worse than Physical Fire really.
2:57 Rob Liefield's Captain America jumpscare
Spiky Shield is 100% top tier. Its protect but damage on contact. Its the single most optimal Protect clone there is, even better than Burning Bulwark or King's Shield. Its even better than regular Protect.
+1
Give Quaquaval Victory Dance to Pair with Aqua Step and Moxie, and that duck will break UU in half.
unrelated, but it's really cool that delphox got wish and toxic at one point, because it fits both the D&D-style wizard (Wish being a super powerful spell) AND the Final Fantasy Black Mage-style (Toxic = Poison or Bio)
it really felt like it was a proper wizard!
Thanks for making these videos JPR keep up the good work
Sparkling Aria has the same base power as Surf after that got nerfed in gen 6, actually. And Aria is the move of choice in Battle Stadium Singles (the in-game 3v3 format), at least, due to it bypassing Subs and the drawback of healing burns not being particularly relevant.
Honestly, just change sniper to be the same power and effect as flower trick. An inteleon becomes viable (sometimes) as a special reg H legal urshifu.
I love how if you breakdown flower trick, that deceptively weak seeming 70 power move becomes insanely broken conceptually.
Its a 105 base power STAB move that ignores the user's attack drop and the foe's defense drops and also ignores screens. Oh yeah but it will factor in the user's attack boosts and opponents defense drops 😊. (your only damage reduction is burn lmao)
Have we all forgotten about Court Change??
Yes what is that
Forgotten about mat block
0:58
That just earned you a subscriber and a like
Keep up the delphox love!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
D-Tier:
0:32 Delphox
1:50 Sceptile
2:42 Emboar
C-Tier:
3:16 Inteleon
3:56 Blaziken
4:40 Pikachu
5:14 Primarina
6:18 Swampert
7:23 Pause
B-Tier:
7:27 Incineroar
8:22 Chesnaught
8:53 Rillaboom
9:29 Hisuian Typhlosion
A-Tier:
9:54 Decidueye
10:36 Hisuian Decidueye
11:25 Greninja
12:09 Quaquavel
S-Tier:
12:49 Cinderace
13:16 Hisuian Samurott
13:49 Meowscarada & Skeledirge
14:55 Outro
I used an inteleon in a romhack and it was CRACKED oneshotting most if not everything with critical hit rain boosted snipe shots
4:57 is footage of the fan game called “this gym of mine” the aggron was its regional form for that of you were wondering how I knew
Blastoise was the only pokemon to learn skull bash by level up in gen 1 F tier
But it was a TM, so it wasn't truly exclusive.
The Kanto starters could only learn Hydro Canon, Blast Burn, and Frenzy Root on gen 3 via move tutors.
Lets put all on S tier cuz of them as gmax moves!
@@leeeroyjenkins555so the jhoto/hoenn starters couldnt?
Hydro cannon too in gen 3
Blast Burn, Hydro Canon and Frenzy Plant are still god level
They really aren't. All the physical attacking starters will never run them, and even the special attackers would only have them so they can have more powerful max or z moves of their respective types. No two turn move that doesn't have weather synergy, raise an attacking stat or is Geomancy sees any serious play in competitive play.
Sure if you want a fancy hyper beam/giga impact
I think the only time any of them were viable was blast burn with charizard in gen 3 ou because of how absurdly strong it would hit after petaya berry, blaze, and potentially sun. I think it can 1-shot a Blissey with all those power-ups which is really insane
3:52 It also doesn't learn Scald in Gen 9
Technically Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon were exclusive to the Kanto starters' final evolutions, with the others not able to get them until Diamond and Pearl onwards, the only exception being the Johto starters in XD
Delphox's design is egregiously overhated
100% agreed.
Honestly, I don’t get the hate for it. I actually liked it tbh.
Especially considering other mons designs 🥴 delphox is definitely better, including starters even made after the pokemon. People are just coping
It’s easily one of the best looking new Pokémon in a while
I also love it. It fits magician vibe so well. In fact, I don't really hate any post gen 6 starters. The one I'm not fond of is just normal Typhlosion. It's bland but still nice.
Bro forgor about Mat Block on Greninja
(like any other person probably)
Gonna be honest, while I did remember Court Change actually exist and is one of Cinderace signature moves, I didn't remember Mat Block even existed. At all. In fact, I never learnt how it worked in gen 6, because I didn't consult wikis as much at that point, and the game didn't tell you that it only works on the first turn. So yeah, I erased the existance of that move from my mind.
Aqua step terrifies me. One moxie boost and it's game over
Inteleon's snipe shot should have honestly gotten meowscarada's effect. A sniper built on critical hits makes more sense than funny magician cat to have an always critting no miss move.
Sniper shot has the can’t be redirected quality which is good because storm drain exists and it has sniper as its hidden ability anyway
0/10 me like funny magic cat
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead me like cat furry :3
In 8 they were trying not to break the game wide open with the starter moves.
In Gen 9 they stopped pretending to care about balance. That's why Torch Song is literally just Volcarona's already powerful signature move Fiery Dance but with the effect chance doubled. They moved the goalpost on balance.
@@scoobiusmaximus9508 I don't think Fiery Dance was used much, but that's because Volcarona already has the obscenely powerful Quiver Dance.
I don't know if they are proper signature moves but Razor Shell, Leaf tornado, Flame wheel, Tatamigaeshi and court change could have definitely been mentioned.
till this day Greninja's Protean nerf and Battle Bond nerf hurts me, i know im probably the only one since Greninja was hated for being in almost evey team but damn he was a fun pokemon
Another thing about Inteleon’s signature move:
It has innate Stalwart/Propeller Tail, giving it a niche over its other water stabs since it can’t be redirected by Storm Drain, Follow Me, or Rage Powder
The one good use I can think of for sparkling aria is against a flame orb guts user. For example, against an Ursaluna, that would be devastating.
If it's still holding the flame orb, the guts would just re activate.
@@swag_uwu Oh. Sorry. My stupidity was showing.
@@solarbear7229yes but if you move faster then you deactivate it till the end of the turn
08:07 Incineroar already had knock off in gen 7
ceaseless edge is definitely the most broken in singles, followed by torch song
the former is insane on literally any mon
I'm surprised elemental hyperbeams didn't make the cut. Also razor shell, leaf tornado, eruption, petal dance?
None of them were signature moves!
Court Change : "Am I a fk joke to you?"
I wonder how much this list would change if we just considered the moves by themselves and not how they perform on the pokemon they were made for.
The lower ones def might move but the really high ones are probably not gonna budge
Wait, sound moves go through Substitute?
Found this video on my recommended, great video definitely worth subscribing to the channel
Another problem with Muddy Water is that you’ll probably have already Surf from beating Norman before Swampert gets Muddy Water at level 39, and Marshtomp only gets it if you hold off evolving it to Swampert for one level at 37
Actually Swampert gets Muddy Water at Level 46. I know because I have personally used Swampert.
@@marioipod you’re probably misremembering because Serebii, Bulbapedia, and PokemonDB list Swampert learning Muddy Water at 39 from gens 3-7 and 42 in gens 8 & 9. He does learn protect at 46 in gens 3-5 and XY and doesn’t learn anything at 46 in ORAS or gens 7-9
Wait what? First time I've ever heard that sound based moves pass through substitute 😂
Leaf Blade, Crab Hammer, and the Fire, Ice and Thunder Punches should have been exceptions to the pre split rules
Incineroar got Knock Off in Gen 7 with USUM’s Move Tutors
Quaquaval with Moxie makes Aqua Step an S Tier. Basically a Dragon Dance that does damage (assuming it KO's)
Darkest Lariat haunts me as it is the best move the Unrivaled Incineroar brings when you keep your defense very high via Psych Up from it's Bulk Up spam.
It’s crazy how all the starter signature moves in d tier are excellent on Ubers in that meta, like heat crash primal groudon being like 120bp against Pokémon like necrozma dusk mane, leaf blade is the grass attack for physical attackers, and mystical fire is a great addition to xerneas to hit steel types with a move stronger than hidden power
One thing to take into account is that in USUM is that water type attack tms are kinda rare until poni canyon so sparkling aria can be useful in an adventure as the best other option us running water pulse until you get surf
I think near the end, the editing is slightly off for the images are showing up a few seconds earlier than they want to based on the audio
Sincerally, i would separate regular gren from ash gren. In greninja case i agree with everything you said thats a A rank move for being a priority stab that has a chance for big damage.
But in ash gren case, thats a priority stab in a hands of legendary level sp.atk that always deals big damage, cuz battle bond not only raises the move's bp to 25 per hit, but guarantees 3 hits instead of 2.
For good mesures the only priority that surpass the bp of a 5 hits battle bond water shuriken is none other than kingambit's FIVE FALLEN BLACKGLASSES sucker punch (thats S+ for me)
The Kanto starters were the only ones to learn Hydro Canon, Blast Burn, and Frenzy Root on gen 3 via move tutors.
Lets put all on S tier cuz of them as gmax moves!
Was half expecting to see eruption on johtonian typhlosion, those two are just so linked in my mind
Poor Sceptile. How the mighty have fallen. 😔
Finally a list of all starter signature move lists that includes spikey shield
Oi Josuke! I did a little dance and now all 6 of my opponents pokemon are dead! Ain't that wacky?
1:01 the worst part is I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not
7:42 T-POSE RED LION JUMPSCARE
one of the interesting aspects of Water Shuriken is that its surprisingly effective w/King's rock when the flinch chance works, especially if Greninja can come in behind a substitute and/or is able to have Evasion stacks as long as there's no water immune mons.
I can still recall my Greninja flinching a human opponent's venusaur for legit over 10 turns straight from Water Shuriken Spam w/King's rock flinch chance activating back in da x & y days.
sure the chance is low since you're more than likely to hit 2-3 times rather than 4-5
but it weirdly works decently well 🤔
as for da High Crit rate moves like Leaf Blade/Blaze Kick, those're some of my fave moves, esp Blaze Kick's animation in the Colosseum/Battle Revolution spin-off series.
sure their power/accuracy(for Blaze Kick) may be their weak point but the high crit ratios really nice.
I always like using these even if there's stronger moves that could be used
(depends on generation)
Wasn’t razor shell the signature move of regular Samurott? Idk if I heard you even mention that one. Which might be saying something.
The thing is it wasn't, Emboar hat heat crash so people assumed Samurott also had a move, razor shell it shows Oshawott's shell in the animation after all but it was able to be learnt by shellder (not cloyster, only shellder)
There's also Serperior's leaf tornado which also wasn't signature but I guess People were looking for a move to complete the trio
I can't wait for a gen 10 starter's signature move to just give an omni boost every time it's used.
Aqua step also activates Oricorio's Dancer, but that's a minor and niche detail and will hardly ever see competitive use
I feel bad for Inteleon. It's got a signature move that only has a higher chance of criting, Only fot Urshifu to show up in the DLC and have signature moves that do what Inteleons should have. Then just to rub salt in the wound, gen 9 just makes Meowscarada.
Snipe shot at C tier is INSANE 😭 In addition to its increased crit chance + inteleon having sniper, it ignores ALL redirection! This includes follow me, rage powder, ally switch, AND storm drain. As a VGC player, I'd have it in at least A tier of signature water moves.
Other than that, I think the rankings are fairly accurate. You earned a sub 👍🏾
What about Mat Block and Court Change?
physical leaf blade at 90 base power is slightly stronger than special leaf blade at 70 power (in gen 3) for Sceptile, so your ranking makes no sense. It should at least be B tier imo.
Swampert’s Muddy Water used to be a favorite but wound up just replacing it with Surf
2:57 so true 🤣
how did you forget! cinderace has 2 signature moves, it also has court change!
also, technically in PLA, torterra, empoleon, and infernape gain headlong rush, wave crash, and raging fury as signature moves, respectively! (and lowkey also razor shell for samurott in BW)
oh yeah, and greninja has mat block as well!
People forget skeledirge can have throat spray making a +1 boost into a plus two on your FIRST torch song
Just love that he’s also a racing fan like me
Another fact about flower trick, since it always crits, it will bypass defense boost
Here’s a little tip for everyone: go on Pokémon showdown, stabmons, skill link cloyster, shell smash, water shuriken, any other moves you want. Throw a fire and grass type in there for coverage and win games.
I haven't played LA, so it's always kinda funny hearing about Hisui Decidueye. My only frame of reference is PMex, where he's absolutely busted good.
It's a good game! You should check it out. And it has no competitive so use whatever you want. I cheesed the superboss with a Hippowdon of all things.
@@BJGvideos yeah, I'll definitely get around to it. Only heard good things, and I bet I can get a used copy at this point
Sparkling Aria is also good against Guts, which is relatively common on competitive Pokémon
When i was doing my first playthrough of violet. i just used torchsong and swept every team once i had the evolution. pumping special attack every turn, made it to where was one shotting with 1/2 or 1/4 effectiveness still.
Flower Trick is basically Slash and Razor Leaf in gen 1, which would crit nearly 100% the time, only difference is that Flower Trick never miss and have higher base atk.
l'm a huge fan of the entire Sprigatito line but who the fk thought that bring back the most broken thing in gen1 but on steroids was a good idea? 😂
Meowscarada is literally my favorite starter so I'm so proud to see my goat to have the top signature move 😭
Well sparkling aria has one very specific niche in that it can shut down guts users if you have knock off on a different mon
Good to see the coolest Gen 9 Starter getting the respect it deserves! Meowscarada FTW!!!
I'm glad I went with Sprigatito as my starter and to know what move was exclusive to her made it all the more wile and is my new favorite starter, debunking the god that was Sceptile
Sprigatito has become my #1 starter now
I'd put Blaze Kick a bit higher. But since other moves got updated here and there, maybe the accuracy can too, even if I personally didn't have issues with it.
Mystical fire is a godsend in Dyna/Tera raids working through their shields too though
My boy Cinderace, a starter I have every pokemon fangame actually had an S Tier move.
(No one wonder mine hasn't fainted yet)