The Cost of Modifying a 10th Gen Honda Civic Si (Up To 650hp)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Honda Civic Si, is looked at like the middle child alongside the Civic, and the Civic Type R. Having many upgrades from the everyday Civic you see on the road, the SI is seen by many enthusiasts as a very fairly priced platform to use for track usage or even daily with a bit of spirited driving.
Due to our super hands-on experience with this platform, we've decided to make it next on our list. Just how much does it cost to modify a 10th gen Honda Civic Si? Watch the whole video to see the cost of parts from mild to WILD builds.
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Contents of This Video
0:00 Intro
1:10 Cost of Purchasing a Civic Si
2:30 Mild Build Pricing
8:51 MAPerformance 15yr Anniversary Ad
10:07 Medium Build Pricing
16:59 Hot Build Pricing
22:02 Conclusion/Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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v6 accords
We really need a complete kit setup with your direct injection manifold. Please include the injectors along with the Device to monitor the extra fuel / make it plug and play.
Great video!!! MAP!!!!! 😃😍🥳
Would this be same for type R ?
Would love to hear about v6 accords! There's so little support online!
As an owner and daily driver of one, the best upgrade you can get is a clutch… it slips bad, even in some cases on stock power.
I have a stage 2 clutch for mine and makes a big difference. I definitely agree.
Thumbs up for accuracy on the prices and power output more or less spot on
Where are you getting these prices, a used Si can be up to $30k now, the lowest I've seen an Si before covid was $20k. I've only seen 9th gens for $17k or less.
Facts
I was able to get mine for 18900 9 months ago used at 50k miles
I got mine for 19
@@cactusjack1816 when was that and how many miles does it have?
@@Tool0GT92 is was 3 months ago and 79 Thousand Miles
those poppy little short shifts in the intro were slick.
Add $3500-$5000 to compensate for the insane markups on vehicles right now new or used.
Bought a used 2020 for 35k 😩
Still 2 years later
The livery on that ctr is nuts
not to sound weird but i’m gonna upgrade my civic si until it reaches 300-315hp. honestly if i push it any further than that i’ll be spending more on repairs than parts.
Don't waste your time. I was going to do the same and planned just to keep it with minimal mods. IC, ktuner, exhaust will make a huge difference with worrying about serious problems.
I agree fwd cars do not behave well in corners with super high hp torque steer! I am waiting for the new Z for around 40k with 400hp rwd!
If you want to track the car, thats a major retard mistake. Otherwise, good numbers for embarrassing highway camrys
@@bigdadjorel7151 like ur gonna get it for 40k
I'm going to be happy with maybe 280 wheel horsepower
This is an amazing video. Thank you so much. Set a good baseline of what to get and what prices I should looks for.
I have a 10th gen and I have most parts. 8k for only 350 HP. I sold all the part and now 5.6k in my 8th gen and I’m pushing 493 WHP and 432 TQ RELIABLE.
432 TQ lmao
What did you have to do?
@@mr.gavinhrdlichka4449 k24 blck k20head kraftwerk Sc
These videos are very informational, thank you! I just began modding mine. Cold Air Intake is first up, eibach suspension kit is next! Thank you for informing me about the clutch! I know what I'm getting next! ^_^
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why not tune it first?
Glad we could help! Let us know when you need that clutch, we have soooo many options.
Eman’s CTR Clutch is legit.
Awesome video, so much great information. What kind of clutch kit would you suggest for stage 1 or 1.5 tunes? Are there any specialized tools you need for an install without a shop? And if I already have a cat-back exhaust, will installing a front and downpipe make the car louder?
We can better answer all those questions and more if you give us a call! 651-348-8811!
Finally, thank you and Semper Fi!
Market is wayyyy crazier right now than you said. Just got a 9th gen with decent miles for that price.
Thanks for the vid, the civic SI is the best bang for your buck
No....The Focus ST is the best bang for the buck.
@@jesterokjones4954 there’s a reason they don’t make those anymore lmao
@@aaronn8191 lol, not the reason you're attempting to insinuate though. Greed is what it all boils down to. Ford decided to stop making ALL cars aside from the Mustang and pursue SUV's and crossover's.... fucking idiots. The Focus ST was basically 260 hp and an absolute rocket, I had a 2014 with a bit of work done to it and thoroughly enjoyed smashing a LOT of cars that thought they were going to walk me. 311 hp at the front wheels was good enough for me, super reliable power, was a really fun car until a semi rear ended me while doing 45mph and I was dead stopped, burst and damaged 6 discs in my neck.
Thank you so much
PLEASE POST MORE STUFF ABOUT THE 10TH GEN PLEEASEEEEEE
the clutch is hit or miss from factory. my stock clutch isnt slipping at 300 wheel
I don't think it's the clutch , but the pressure plate
300 wheel? Mod listttttt
Holy shit massive power gains
Same here pushing around 300 and still have my stock clutch with no slip
If you’re in Socal hit up Eman Naperformance in Ventura, Ca. He retrofits the Type R clutch into the si.
Will everything on your list. Work for 2020 hounda civic sport hatchback? Thanks
I just got my Si the other day for 27,999, inflation is ridiculous right now.
“You can pick one up for 20k” 😂😂😂
Yeah...the base model.... lol
@@19Herofade92 i got my si used for 18k dont let them overprice you
i got my 20 si for 21.5 with 2 miles on the dash
Got mine for 10k 🥴
@@daerengames4339 I got my 2020 bmw m3 with 1 mile on the dash for 5k
I need some ideas on me and my wife's ten gen civic base model can I do a engine swap or keep the honda engine and make it faster what parts do I need for the civic engine k20 of what's the best engine swap for our civic
Would the amount of power from adding a new turbo but sticking with pump fuel justify the cost, and if so how much would u believe the gain would be?
No reason to go bigger turbo. 1.5L will have so much lag…
What’s a decent clutch to run the max 450hp
Guys please help do you need a new turbo gasket for a downpipe and do you need tabs for OEM heat shield
I would love to know where he got those prices at because I just bought a 20/20 Civic SI fully loaded with 40,000 miles and I paid $28,600
You should do a video like this on the accord with the K20C4 Engine, I am currently looking to trade in my car (K20C2) because I want more power (but a Honda) and was stuck between a si or a 2.0T accord
Looking for more of a daily maybing making out at 350 WHP
I got a k20c2 as well....
@@blindsight3690 tuff time to live in isnt
Which gearset is 1500? I’ve only seen 4500
Question that I can’t really find the answer to anywhere…I purchased the 27won race maf CAI and a Ktuner V1.2 with the TSP stage one tune. Can I run that same tune with all the mods in your “mild” list? FMIC, DP/FP combo, etc.? Basically what I’m asking is, at what point do I need to get a new tune past the stage one?
Love the video and this channel!!!! Keep the 10th gen content coming!
Talk to someone from TSP for that. You will need a custom tune if anything
You’ll need a pro tune that’s too much air flow and all your dash lights will come up and just annoy you and eventually car would go into limp mode
Your straight to run those parts, only when upgrading the turbo or adding auxiliary fuel do you truly need a custom tune, but they always help ofc
I have the same mods, different brands. On TSP stage 1+. The preference is yours. You can stay where you're at or get it tuned specifically for your mods via e tuned or locally. The next time you'll need a tune for sure is adding flex fuel or a bigger turbo. FMIC does not require tuning, however the Race Maf does. That's why the company asks which Maf you have. The downpipe however, high flow catted may cause CEL but can be "deleted" through ktuner so you don't have the dash light.
the off the shelf tunes are tuned with stock parts car if you decided to add bolt ons you most definetly need a custom tune
So should I do the clutch first or the tune....
I've had my 2021 hatchback No Si now for a year. Slowly modding it. My question is, could you do this build, or similar on automatic, CVT? I mean. Obviously not trying to make it a full on run car. But, a daily driver. Maybe once and a blue moon track car? Or maybe do some pulls against around cars...
trade the hatch for an Si
@@sandtanmaroon :(
Time to toss that hatch in the dumpster and get an si or type r bb
Bro the cvt can push power bro don’t listen to these guys not insane but for what u saying cvt is fine just need good maintenance
@zefpyy2172 A year later. I raced a 3.8 Genny. Base map. Won. I know someone with a FBO and Big Turbo, CVT. And, it's his daily. No issues. Stock trans. Seen a tuned CVT beat a stock Type R. And, recently got a new tune from D. ROB. Enjoying my CVT hatch.
Should I get a stage 1 or 2 clutch?
you have one for the Honda Civic hatchback sport ?
Do one on the 2.0T Honda Accord 2022.
Wonder how reliable my work will be with my stock block fbo flex fuel W2bb with fuel system upgrade
Do 11th gen honda civic sport pleaseeeee
I’m hoping to land my si coupe somewhere in the 400-500 whp range (focusing on reliability).
Not in a l15 buddy that engine internals are weak
I'm wondering how much you can make without ethanol? Some states really only be having like 2 pumps in the whole state
People online always say, “ use e85” or “add a gallon of e85” for us in BFE the best we can get is 91 and sometimes that’s hard
With no e85:
295-305whp with a bigger turbo.
240-250 on stock turbo
Great!
Herewith The Recipe for 300 HP
Cold air intake system
High-performance downpipe and front pipe
Front mount intercooler kit
Drop-in turbocharger upgrade
Tuning solution like Hondata or KTuner
Clutch kit
Optional nice to have/might need
Flex-fuel kit
The above modifications on 91 octane fuel will leave you a bit shy of 300hp. On 91oct fuel most land in the 280-285 range. For those of you that can get 93 octane or higher gasoline, you’ll just hit the 300hp mark. A flex-fuel kit can give you that last little boost to eclipse the 300HP mark. All around $4k USD 😃
That is for the si not the regular civic
?????
Nice
There are still three basic ways to recover wasted energy in a car and make more power: regenerative shocks, regenerative braking, and recovery of waste heat from engine exhaust, these methods including are improvement of ICE thermodynamics...more effective and least expensive
2018 si coupe, got mine for $21k w/3miles, was fun but moved up to the fk8
Do a video on the R though
What clutch and light weight fly wheel should I use? I have a 2022 SI
We love the clutch masters clutch kits that we have installed in our car over time. It sort of depends on your power goal and what you will be using the car for. Being higher hp we've ultimately settled on a twin disk setup with a lightweight flywheel.
@@maperformance so I have 2 goals. One is to max out the capability of the 1.5t. I bought a new complete FK8 motor and want to be building it with good rods and pistons and have the head done. So when the accessory brackets and motor mounts come available for the 11th Gen the motor is ready to go. I have Light Speed building some light weight magnesium wheels for it now. End result is I would like to build a ripping track car in that 500-600 hp
I'm Thai
If you want to try modifying the Honda Fit. L15a, get 500+hp. or JDM accessories. Sing has everything.
Do an accord 2.0 version
I think suggesting a built motor and trans after doubling the power output is way too late. People blow their shit up and strip 4th gear way earlier than that.
The stock trans is reliable up to about 300whp from what I’ve seen on the forums. Are you saying even earlier than that?
Man I really love the 10th gen coupe bodyline but I would also love to drop a Type R engine and setup inside of it. Is that even possible? And what would the price tag on that look like?
one question , is it possible to change front lights from simple one for chrystalic LED like on touring model ? or for this lights I'll need a different bumper ?
You can change easily
I have also changed
@@SulemanKhan008 on coupe version as well ?
@@Delosohoso yes
Picked up my 17 coupe for 13,500 clean title and all…… might have had to replace a few things though 💀
Do one for the 8th gen 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Yes ❤️
Im 5k deep in mods to my 10th gen si. Along with wheels. Should I really push to the medium build?
im thinking the same thing the if u drop this amount of money on a audi or bmw youll be in charge of a higher hp car
I got a 2.0 (6mt) accord w/ a stage 3 tune. Pushing around 280whp and 330 tq to the wheels. Honestly feels great for what it is, If it was auto i’d probably just call it a day (If i wanted something faster i’d just get a 340i). Since it’s manual i’m gonna go big turbo, intercooler, catted dp, flex fuel kit, and just a few other internal parts. As is, i’ve beat C300’s, Charger RT, modded IS350, Toyota Avalon, Genesis 2.0 & 3.8, and have kept up with Audi S5 on numerous occasions. If you’re 5k deep and can get your money’s worth selling the car then do it and just get something faster. If not just f it and go all out. Mentally you’d have a hard time trying to get rid of your baby lol
Try being 19.7k deep 😵💫 don’t really regret it but you can definitely can something a lot faster with the price
Rods tend to go out when you push above 315-320 tq depending how you drive it
@@ImKotaa im getting near that, I've gone 23k miles on this setup and I got the car at 50k so im at about 73k miles now. I dont really push it unless someone wants to hear it or race me. It definitely is a quick car for what it is
What about a dual clutch auto and AWD? For around 6k I can buy a type R crate motor! How much to build that high hp?
Old k20s are better to build than type r motor.
And tbh, if you’re going to build, a B series is much cheaper and just as capable as a k series
@@Baconbeater h22
@@kangarojack3814 no doubt
Ktuner is trash. It’s buggy as hell. You have to reflash your car multiple times before the tune will take and ktuner has no desire to fix this issue according to the email responses I’ve received from them about it.
If your going to track your car, like streets of willow for example, get the koyorad radiator and get a mishimoto coolant catch can. The factory system dumps your coolant to the street. For the clutch save yourself the headaches you will get from clutchmasters and spec and drop the money into the type r retro kit. The E85 flex kit is an absolute must get. Just order a set of new injectors because eventually you will have injector issues and you will notice it by jumping afr.
I bought my 2020 si for 26k. And I love it
Can you do one of these for the ecoboost mustang!!!! I know that’s probably pretty old to you guys but it would be new to me 🙏🏾
can someone help me out, ive been looking around for the info of difference between the SI and lower trims other than LSD?
Slightly different engine internals and tune. Better stock suspension as well.
And it's a cvt auto. No manuals here. Rare find. It's also a Sport
If I already have a prl big turbo kit with the standard gtx2860r can I just upgrade the turbo to get more power?
Sure but you would have to get it re-tuned
And If you're at fuel limit you'll need fuel system
If youre on ethanol, you'll see maybe a 15-20whp gain from going 2860->2867. If youre on pump gas there won't be a difference.
More economical to get a meth injection kit.
Seem like i can't find anything on 9th Gen Civic Si...like my 2015 Si in ur website
Does the 10th gen si need Valve adjustment after putting aftermarket drop in parts?
That isn't something we would say in necessary, but if you have a high-mileage Si then go for it!
All u need is a built block, valve springs and boost for any Honda to make 600hp reliably
Not the 10th gens Unfortunately
@@pf-jflow4586 well they'll make a decent amount atleast. 600 is alot actually lol
do you need to tune car if you just do an exhaust system upgrade?
Not really
When the new golf r comes out I would like to see you gays build it
Honda should have made a hatchback Coupe Civic Type R. If I was a TH-camr I'd build a true or Civic type-r with the SI coupe. Swap the drivetrain, suspension and the extra tec out of the Type R. Seam Weld if the SI is not. If I was really rich I would make a custom 1.6 liter crank and piston setup. A K16 high rpm&boost.
I just got a 2020 civic hatch sport with 9k mi for 29k! Major price difference from Mainland US and HI!
The type r is only a couple grand more
@@evoguy333 I'm in Hawaii and can't find much of those. Here on Maui there is also no newer si models either.
Stock wise is there a huge difference between the si and ext?
Most definitely!
@@maperformance what's the cheapest mod or boost I can do to help give it some oomph. Feels like at times when driving my ext that it could do more
Can these mods be done on 10th gen civic ex sedan?
Many will be able to as it shares a similar 1.5t engine. Give us a call before placing an order to confirm though!
Can I do this with a CVT transmission instead of Manuel ?
The CVT is considerably weaker than the manual, with a max torque capacity of about 350ft-lbs
K series, plentiful, parts everywhere, after market support , 💯, tons more power , torque.
What mod would I need to add 1 hp?
A cool, fall morning should give you about 1 more HP! 😂
Would you advise to follow the mild build and follow it in that order or would it be better to do intercooler and clutch first?
Great question! We recommend anytime that you add additional hp over the stock hp, that you should consider upgrading the factory clutch. Even with just a Stage 1 tune, we've seen that the TQ is too much for the OEM clutch to handle.
What’s that spoiler called if I were to look it up so I can buy one at 1:52
OEM Sedan spoiler!
That's an si spoiler
Can I do these same mods on my accord with the cvt transmission
Lmfaoooiiiiiiiii
To an extent, but the cvt is much, much weaker than the manual in the Si.
Just bought a red 2019 coupe with 20,100 miles for 27,788 happy and sad at the same time. Thing is practically new tho mechanically and cosmetically.
Yeah prices are nuts. That's about 7k more than it should be priced. I want to get a Xgen coupe but I just can't justify spending 30k for a used civic. I'll just wait.
Man that pricing aged poorly. 50k mile 10th gen Si are about 27k now... more than they were brand new.
OK where are yall finding a gearset for the si that's 1,500 dollars?
Lmao thats what im wondering
Only thing I can think of is Mfactory's close ratio gear set. Goes for about $1800 tho
@@darkknight097 I wouldn’t recommend that lol lots of people that I know got a refund a week after ordering and went ppg
Rv6 is working on an “affordable” gearset
@@ImKotaa oh nice!
Great video. Please do a similar one for gen11 Si.
We will once we get our 11th gen!
If you put $30k into your Civic you are a straight lunatic.
No
I put 6k into mine but at 30k you might as well put something down on something faster off the jump and mod it out of warranty. Im probably gonna stop after flex fuel, which is my last mod left.
Just buy a type r at that point. Plus I’m surprised he didn’t mention a K swap.
@@DjGo99 no one is K swapping these at this point. There have been maybe two examples that I know of where people have put K20C motors (turbo variants) into them but we aren’t there yet in terms of availability of motors or age of chassis. These are still mostly new(ish) cars. Much more common for people to come back with a built L15 when they blow these motors. I don’t know of anything off the shelf that you can do in terms of a k swap yet. You’d be pretty far down the rabbit hole at that point.
@@ehrenfoley you can now buy complete crate k20c1 engine for about 11k from Honda. The Chassis definitely needs more time to develop or at least more people I should say document their swaps but seeing a k24a2 or k20z3 in an 2015+ civic si would be 🔥🔥🔥
I have a si but it the 11 gen 😭 I hope this work
3:55
Dang some intakes aren't cheap, it's just a pipe...and filter. I'm glad that my Injen intake was cheap.
6:15
I like the cleaning part, but not the ugly part from dusty pads next to my clean silver Enkei's. That's why I'm only going to buy ceramic pads from now on.
7:12
Unfortunately Honda puts weak clutches in them.
injen intake is cheap because it sucks. I would also look into better rotors because they heat up really quick
@@jovtecxtv1321 Cheap also means not expensive, which is what I'm talking about.
@@jovtecxtv1321 not so much the rotors, the stock pads suck and have a low temp range. The stock rotors on the Si mimic Mugen rotors offered for the DC5R years ago.
does this work for civic ex t
Some mods are compatible as long as it shares the 1.5t, give us a call to confirm though!
Can I see a s2k version of this video
great
11th gen mod video please
How in the HELL can a down pipe be more than an intercooler?! I'll assume it's a tiny side mount and not a front mount.
If you have a catted downpipe with an upgraded GESI cat, it costs more than an intercooler for these vehicles.
This sounds like 1990 mazda turbo II days of yesteryear
No grippy tires? Damn Im surprised 🤣 I’d think you’d definitely wanna upgrade your tires
I don't think they sell tires hahaha this is prices for the products they sell
Definitely going to want some good rubber! Hit up our friends @fitmentindustries!
Soft sticky tires and lighter wheels was the very first thing i did
9k coupe with 173kmiles, wish me luck!
It’s crazy that 90’s Honda’s are still faster and have more potential when the newer ones
Only if you swap the engine to a newer Honda engine
Thanks to the government 🤬
No they arent...stock vs stock newer ones are faster, safer and have more Q.o.l. stuff
so its around the same for an rsx?
I wouldn't say that because those cars are a completely different platform. We will be carrying more RSX parts in the near future though!
@@maperformance bookmarking website then 👀
Get me on the type r
A year later and now most of the Civic SI's near me are $30k even if they are a 2017. FML
Minor-Attracted Person lmao
I wouldn't be calling myself MAP haha 😂
Over 4k to be at 240-250 wheel. Add it how much a used si cost, mise well find a used type r.
17k? When it came out it was like 25 msrp
Maneee i’m too broke for this but ima still do it 😈😈
Niceee...
As a almost fully built 10th gen si owner this one hurt to watch Im 20k deep I still need my built motor and bbk 😵💫
Better off starting with a more capable platform like the type r. Stock clutch will handle 500whp and you achieve big numbers with simple bolt ons.
That's too easy
@@cryxbaby2250 lol
Yeah.. that or a 9th Gen Si. No point in blowing it on a small engine Si.
The point is is that the type r is around 37k plus taxes is around 45k just to buy the car stock. Then modding it will be more expensive. In this case buy a used evo it's cheaper and make 700 hp or more. More of a budget build if you perfer the si looks which let's be honest the coupe si looks wayyyyyyy better then the type R. Also another route get a mustang gt 420 hp stock for around 30k. Maybe ways to go around this but it's an so cut it some slack
@@Stormtrooper-oc4vn I don’t know how you’re getting $8,000 in taxes man. I went from an 2018 si FBO on ethanol with a spec clutch and flywheel and had nothing, but lockout issues. I traded in and paid $37,500 for the R plus taxes I was around 39k. I am fbo on now on 93 and make 385hp RELIABLY. You can’t compare the 2 cars. Yes, if you want a fast straight line car get the mustang, though I hang with new 5.0 ‘a and 392 scat packs all the same 👍
Good 👍 ASS job Brudda ✌.