The clip is from the film “Bury my heart at wounded knee” the characters were real but the conversation is not. But it clearly shows two narratives of two peoples. But what do you think? Do you agree more with Colonel Miles? Agree more with Sitting Bull or maybe you think they both make good points
They are both right. Robbery and homicide has always been part of the human toolkitt. The industrial revolution ment that western Europe and USA became exeptionaly good at it is all. (They are both right... _from a certain point of view)._ Like Both Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland. Stalin did it twice!
Miles was at least mostly correct. This idea that the red tribes lived in harmony with nature and spent their days jet skiing and basket weaving flies in the face of *actual* historical record.
P.S. For the subverted, I use the term, red tribes, because NO ONE was native to America. If me being called white is not offensive, neither is being called black or red or yellow.
What Colonel Miles says is mostly true. The Lakota Sioux tribe moved from Minnesota into the Black Hills and stole the land which was stolen several times by previous tribes. Just like the American Southwest was once stolen from the natives by Spain and then conquered by the Mexicans in a war, the US won the land in a war after Mexicans invited Anglos into Texas and then attacked them after they became affluent by raising cattle.
An insane amount of people actually have the delusion that the natives all lived in perfect harmony until the white man showed up like the fire nation.
Here, you sign here and here. Accept the reservation, including your mountain, since you lost the conflict. Now this is your reservation under US laws and treaties. Oh, there is valuable materials in that mountains? Oh, these US property documents are not valid anymore. So says the US government. Lets see how happy you would be if the US government did such to your property after the fact.
@@Lobos222 you do know that they literally can do that right? It's called imminent domain. Also most warring native nations just genocided each other back in the day, I'd say our current reservation system is a bit better than that.
@@Lobos222 We could have been like them and just wiped our enemies out after the war was won. Key point being, we won AND we gave them land. Others don't do that. The people we conquered never gave land to those they conquered. They are treated better than they'd treat us. They're lucky.
It WAS the story of the world. Do you want it to remain that way? P.S. The usual characters interpret this statement to mean that somehow we should/could/might change human nature, and send me comments to that effect. Only a cretin would interpret it in that way - or a guy trying very hard to appear worldly-wise. I'll leave it to you to decide if there's a difference. The evidence suggests not. A sensible person might think that with the introduction of international law and institutions of order like the UN, the International Court, the IMF and the World Bank, these things can be mitigated over time. The cretins however will continue to, well, do what cretins do and burble some nonsense. Spare me your burblings: go burble to other cretins.
@@user-o7 Are we? Looking at the comments, including the originator of this thread, I'd say everyone - except yourself apparently - is talking about the present. And the future too.
@@balazsfodor4So if I invaded your house and threw you out of it I wouldn't be stealing it, right? I'd be "conquering" it. Good to know, good to know.........
I'm Comanche and my people were Lions not Sheep. We shook the world with our roar and conquered all that lay before us. Until the day came when crippled by disease, surrounded by enemies and overwhelmed by technology we were finally defeated. I will not dishonour my ancestors and deny their greatness by playing the victim for sympathy.
I am ute native. The Comanche were brutal. The fact is they killed entire tribes but left the boys who were able bodied for war. I don't see that as honorable but a survival tactic. If they didn't they would of had no one left.
No denying the Comanche were fearsome. At the end of the day we're humans but we're also animals doing the most natural thing trying to survive. Sometimes that means conquering other humans.
I'm an Irishman, and understand well how enemies try to destroy us they use those who are nearest and closest to us... our own kind... The North of Ireland is still occupied by a people sent here to settle and overtake us by numbers, power and influence. We also fight bravely, and have done for millennia. Just like you we in Ireland have earned a right to be regarded as warriors. greatness is right my friend. you earned that right.
You can say the exact same thing of the people before them, and those before them, and so on and so on. So what the army guy says is true. Its not an excuse to take over, its just the truth.
Would you say the same thing about the native Britons conquered by Rome or the Romans in Britain conquered by Anglo-Saxons or the Anglo-Saxons in Britain conquered by the French? Every nation somewhere at some point has been conquered by somebody.
@@PP-cm4reso they can call it content and monetize, reaction channels have been doing it forever but now they dont even react anymore they just sit there with a blank face
As a Native American myself I can weigh in. Literally everywhere in the world there were people killing other people for personal gain and not getting along, Europe, Asia, Africa, and the americas long before the 1700s, the 1600s, long before the 1000s, Aztec natives sacrificed slaves of tribes they conquered. The white man has his point and states as much that his fight is not Nobel and out of greed and lust, same as the natives have in the past, we all have a history of war, and unless we acknowledge that we will repeat the past with our future. Only once we all understand that the world isn’t a great or even good place can we start to change that. Thank you for reading
The atrocities committed by white man in america is no where near the conflict that was already happening. Also, who the hell appointed them as world police in this situation
I’m not Native American but personally that’s not the case for international travel. Like china in the past(not modern day) explored up to like Africa and was like “shit we good”. Europe visited a different continent and their desires were generally to conquer an extremely foreign culture and build a European state of Europeans or western influenced peoples lowered in society It’s not common in history to go across the whole ocean and try to take continents unless you Europe
@@MrClean-ep7ucIf China said "we good" then why are they wanting to take over Taiwan or why are they building islands in the Sea? It's not just Europeans it's any person who has a desire for power and there are history books full of examples from all over the earth. Don't be so quick to pick a side based on race or nationality the real war is Good vs. Evil. Any human can fall to Evil.
@@MrClean-ep7uc well considering that history tells us that most of the worlds intelligence was located in Europe and Asia, it would only seem logical that those continents would have the people that would build ships and seek out a foreign land for their own use. Throughout history the weak fall to the mightier, be it man or animals. And, yes, man may have brought animals to new areas where they may kill animals that had no defense to the new animal. But, that's just evolution. All breeds of man around the world have all been here the same amount of time. Some progressed and some stayed barbaric. Each breed chose their lifestyle. If one didnt like the other, for whatever reason, usually religion, then they were taken out. Like it or not it's just the way things have always been. We did not steal this country, we fought for it, and the better man won. Whether we like it or not, its fact not legend.
Only if you have the balls to go in the first place. Men were made of steel back then, that's why they went. Nature doesn't care for your racist narrative, in nature nothing feels sorry for itself and only the strongest will survive. Nature is a constant struggle to survive and dominate.
@@jeremiahmiller4244 Nope, I agree with the video. But he didn't do squat. Just re-posted it with his useless presence in there. 😂 No intake, no point of view, just a dumb finger point.
@@Mrcarter_44yes but most of the natives died from disease that they brought. Far less were actually killed in battles than most think. Natives were pushed out of lands that they pushed other natives out of.
@@AdamSmith-km1fnat the time of "Irish vs english" it was technically Celts vs Britons, England wanted Scotland, Ireland and Wales, they still haven't changed either, english think they are better than those who speak Gaelic, the English are [insert name for bundle of sticks here].
@@Tankedmosquito interesting historian. So, when the Virginia company was gathering white folk in the 1600s to ship to Jamestown to work the land, who were they sending? Where does the term kidnapping come from?
If he hadn't been in the lower half pointing to the upper half, how would we as an audience ever known where to watch though?? He's doing the Lord's work 😂😂
As a Sioux Indian myself, I can say they both make good arguments. We were a very war-like people and always have been. We simply did what war-like people do. Just as European Tribes fought each other on their own continent. So we Natives fought each other. Human beings have always fought one another for one reason or another.
Me, being of "viking" heritage, also has to admit that my ancestors might not all have been heroes. But one thing I realize more and more, the common man do not want to fight in others conquests. But are forced or fooled into armies, big or small, for the gain of some few mighty men. This is a fact all trough history, and not at all less today. Always when a war is about, to whos gain? When a plague is about, to whos benefit? And if there are no need at the present, some are really good to find a way to create it, and fill it. While dancing around their golden calf of Mammon.
@@mathiasjohannesson9833This argument kind of falls apart when you read about what happens during the sacking of a city. Most of the time, you can’t keep the conquering soldiers from raping and looting and killing the innocents. Even if the commander of the army orders them not to do so, and kills men that are found doing it, you can’t prevent it.
And many of the earlier European tribes were conquered by the Romans and when the time came for the Empire to take a tumble (at least in Western Europe) new tribes like the Goths and Franks helped it along and took over the vacated imperial territories.
@@mathiasjohannesson9833 Not really, going to war meant booty, it also meant promotion if you did well, eventually it could mean leadership. How do you think those powerful people became powerful. How do you think colonialism works? its only the recent past where powerful people did not have to fight, politically and physically to keep their position of power. To "better" yourself is as old as humans and even the animals do it today.
Fucking truth as a native man from canada the history of what happened to other tribes isn't pretty in the slightest. I'm so thankful for civilization as it is today.
@@nebitno5054dont drag on the native conflict, out ancestors have long ago settled it when we took over the last native lands, gave proper freedom in the form of rights to the natives and gave them their deserved respect.
Except the us government signed treaty after treaty that it then broke when it wasn’t convenient. It is undeniably shameful how this country treated the people that were here before.
Exactly…all lands are stolen, so who should be considered original?? Some believe the natives migrated across a land bridge before spreading out. So it’s not theirs they just showed up. We bought half our country from the French. So it wasn’t really taken. And to be fair we gave them reservations to govern as they see fit and also the freedom to enjoy the rest of the country.
I'm native from Mojave tribe. Natives were just as human as the whites and also just as violent and pioneering. It's human nature to conquer and build. All our ancestors looked out for their own and nothing wrong with it. Past is past, the only thing that matters now is now
I want more people to see our ancestors just as human as theirs. It feels like Indians of the past are either seen as savages or innocent children corrupted by the white man. each tribe has had its own histories, governments, allies, enemies, wars and celebrations just like every other human culture.
The real issue is genocide of natives that white Americans don’t acknowledge. It’s the same story all over the world. Europeans have caused most of the misery due to colonization and slavery.
Killed off !? Yeah right lakota is the only nation to defeat the US on American soil.natives live on rez because of lies and broken treaties . Never foget the atrocities that happened at wounded knee , to kill women and children lets you know they tried to exterminate the lakota.@stevenwatkins3634
“How did you get this land?” “My father gave it to me.” “And before him?” “His father.” “And before him?” “His father.” “And before him?” “His father fought for it.” “Then I shall fight you for it.” -Old Scandinavian Proverb
The point of the native American argument isn't that ancestral land means shit, it's that when the "white man" takes the land he also kills every last man women and child on it.
You realize that this is a movie and it's not remotely accurate, right? You're using a Hollywood produced movie as evidence😂 As indigenous people we didn't believe anybody owned the land, but we also didn't believe it was okay to come over here and wipe us out and push us off the place where we were living
I think you have listened to the narrative that has been pushed for the last 50 years. I spent the last 40 minutes, after reading your post, and I have found no less than 10 articles in which it states that the Indians fought each other prior to the Europeans arriving. The evidence of this is confirmed in archeological digs, something that oral history cannot refute. Instead of buying into the BS, why don’t you educate yourself and read. It’s called confirmation bias when you only look up information that suits your narrative. Aboriginals fought each other long before Europeans ever arrived and I dare say this movie was brave enough to point that out instead of risking it be “cancelled” because peoples feelings get hurt.
Native American here: he ain’t wrong. Land is won in blood, and it’s always been that way. The moment you’re too busy or afraid to shed blood to keep it, you’ll slowly start to lose it.
@@routerider9542sad truth most people don't seem to remember. Every land was conquered at least once by some other group even if it wasn't done by an outside group.
The native Americans told the settlers that no one can own the land. Then, when the settlers claimed ownership, the native Americans culturally appropriated property rights from the white man and claimed they "stole" the land. The land they said they didn't own.
But if those native Americans were on that land, and another tribe tried to live on it, there would be bloodshed. They took it because it was better land, until they could take other land that benefited them more. Hypocrites much,?
It still doesn't change the fact that "it's a Native American Land". White Americans should go back to Europe. A lot of them originally came from england, so they should go back to england.
I've been deep in researching hunan history as far back as has been recorded. Like you said, humans have been killing each other since it's inception. It's been a thorn in my heart since I watched the US fire bomb the jungles in Vietnam when I seen it on the news when I was 3 years old. Besides just raiding people's material goods snd land, the hatred of other people who didn't look or sound like them also littered humanity and history with millions of bodies. Killing just for fun. I've rejected all of that way of thinking.
No disrespect intended but it's really easy for someone who dosent own land to say no one owns it. Kinda like it's really easy for a homeless person to say that no one owns that persons home anyone can use it. The Native people fought and killed to keep other people out of their territory and were beaten back and killed off by others and moved on to other lands that they took from whoever was there. If you wanna say "Yeah but thats not ownership, then your just arguing semantics"
@@theycallme4799 "Not all 'the native people' acted, thought, and lived the same." I completely agree, I've pointed that very same thing out to others in this comment section. There were "norms" though and disputes over hunting rights, who can live where and the solution lying in violence rather then saying neither of us own the land was the norm. At the end of the day we are all here now together as one unity of nations and states and culture.
My great grandma was Indian and she would say" the land belongs to no man because no man can live as long as the land." Even the 5 nation was at war for a long time.
@@kensurrency2564However, you can be Indegenous to the land as it is a colonial term not geographical and Indians of America are Indegenous and preserve all the rights to the land.
Right now, the Indigenous people of England and the British isles are being colonised by unhonored promises of their leaders but to point this out, you'd be called a racist, or you'd be told it's deserved somehow.
So Americans are the saviors? and Europeans didn't kill each other for centuries before they came to America to kill people weaker than them cause they didn't have arms ? So hypocritical.
As a native of the Creek Nation, I can say this is accurate. Tribes also had slaves. It was a brutal time for sure, but not all tribes were as violent as others. There was war.
I think the point that’s trying to be made is that all civilizations have problems, and at one time have done gravely immoral things. No-one, not even the natives are exempt. The fairytale that the natives were a perfect and sinless people living in perfect harmony is an indefensible and almost laughable claim. (My family has both white and native roots by the way)
Its happening again between government and citizens they are creating propaganda to make us hate each other for distraction so they can further their agenda without us watching them
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 If you ignore the jewish people living there, who bought land and had that land acknowledged by the UN during the partition and was forced to defend their land over and over to a group of people who wanted it all and spent 75 years crying and whining as opposed to knowing when to cut their losses and move on. Keep crying.
@@kazekamiha yes, we all know about how England gave the jews stolen land in the Balfour declaration. How can someone gift others with stolen goods 😂 it's a crime to give or receive stolen goods. 😂 Can I rob you and sell your belongings on ebay?
Facts. The “native Americans” came actually the Bering land bridge and took what they wanted, then took what they wanted from each other. Every square inch of livable land on this planet was taken from someone else at some point, then had it taken from them by someone else. That’s life. If you don’t want to lose it, then win.
We're the only people that display empathy toward our former enemies. They would have just wiped us off the face of the earth if they won. We should adopt their mentality, to be honest. Why should be constantly put up with this s* in the name of "tolerance"? No more guilt. No more victimhood. We should dominate them, make them submit, or remove them from this earth. Whether it's Tyrone and BLM, Juan and La Raza, or these people.
It’s the elements that are running the messaging apparatus (schools, etc) that constantly try to make white folks feel like sht for being born white. They do it by hiding behind a multicultural smokescreen so you can’t see who they are.
Facts. I was raised on a reservation and I'm here to tell you that tribes have a hate for each other that goes back farther than recorded history. So do Asians but that's a different miniseries.
And that's what makes us foolish Native Americans have so much hate and we take it out on each other. We need a common enemy and I'm set on making that enemy Red, White, and Blue.
@@TrippinCreatives - Eh, history? I've met and known Americans whose parents emigrated from Japan, Korea, Philippines, Hong Kong. The latter three peoples told me it was pretty clear within their families how there was no love lost for the Japanese. Wonder why...
@@user-wi9se5ll3j - Wow. Haven't learned much from history. I'll take those of whatever tribe/ethnicity/skin tone who believe in Love, we are all made in God's Image, shared values, and treating others-as-I-want-to-be-treated for 100, Alex.
@@machtnichtsseimann No God intrusted Natives with this land we had a connection with him and all the was takin away from us. So we must take it back, you walk on the graves of our proud soldiers and what's gonna stop us from doing the same to yours. The Vietnamese found a way and so shall we, I will burn in eternity in hell so that future kids will have that connection with God again.
I'm Irish/Native American our own histories(Native American) tell us about the lands we gave to the white men as gifts or traded for weapons and the numerous treaties broken by both sides. So no it's not stolen land since the majority of it was given and traded away before the whites conquered what was left.
White liberal extremists are crazy man. Conservative extremists aren't any better either. Anything extreme is bad. People get disillusioned, aren't informed, and more. People who are uninformed making decisions and have beliefs without the proper knowledge to do so. Recipe for disaster
To me those people have always been the most racist. The most white savior complex. Like they actually look down on other races and feel the need to advocate for them and shit. People in charge a playing a big division game and it’s working beautifully for them.
If europeans had the right to colonize north america because indigenous north american people were killing each other... Then by that logic, people of non european origin also have the right to colonize europe? Europeans have also been killing each other. In fact most wars that happened in history occured in europe.
Might makes right. No one gives you the right to conquer anything; the strongest countries takes it. Many outside countries have defeated and controlled European lands in the past. The Mongol Empire and Ottoman Empire are the biggest example. The arabs controlled part of Spain at one post. Any modern country with a large land area in Asia was forged through conquest. China and India didn't become absolutely massive by asking nicely. It may not be quite the same as colonization but they certainly killed quite a lot of locals while doing it.
@@WongGame727yeah saudi is on process now sending bunch of muslim refugees to europe and building muslim school not to make them forget muslim heritage that’s how Saudi is colonizing Europe now. Look it up Saudi is funding Muslim schools in Europe and funding refugees in Europe.
Y’all used small pox blankets on us though, and caused the biggest genocide the world has ever seen by almost making my people go extinct from your greed. The whole world doesn’t put horrible viruses on things and send them to countries, as it’s seen as some of the worst things you can do in war. Quit lying and giving your pos ancestors a break for slaughtering my people, all while raping our women. That’s ok though in your mind
Yet, it is still the path of huge suffering. Your mother, father, sibling, friends, cousins and all have to go through suffering in each huge war. Taking people land is not something to be taken lightly. It is the virus within human that was uncontrollable and wanted to destroy itself and man kind.
This is not about who at fault or blaming Like what this video implies at all, this is just two men talking at their problems, but a world war is something terrible you wish will never happened. It is real not from movie and if you experience war once, you will never accept this easily. It all terrible in whichever war it is.
My grandfather was Choctaw. He taught me that America has always been a land for the strong to be held by the strongest. This is how ALL land work. He said this was the case long before the white man came, and nothing has changed. He was proud that the Choctaw saw this and adapted quickly. Many nations that refused to accept reality were decimated beyond saving. The technology gap was just too great. If America is stolen then so is the rest of the world. Every single land has been conquered.
As a half Yaqui. I've heard the same stories. No land is anyones land. It's fought and won. Not by white men or red. But by men themselves. Edit: I didn't mean to start a debate. Don't stand on anyone's shoulders and call yourself tall. We all know what life is like. And unfortunately we are here on YT arguing about it.
@@waqzh6128he aint deluded at all. Every but of land owned by tribes/countries were fought for. Land belongs to the victor, thats what history shows. Maybe you should tale a history class.
@@HuckleberryisonYTland belongs to no man brother. A lack of self knowledge is why this world has been this way. Once you truly realize that this whole world is everyone’s home then there can peace on this realm
@mr.warrioro3172 then the Muslims can move to the millions of miles of mulim land and should not fight to live among the isreali people....... wait that's standards and with out double standards you have none. Modern day Baby beheader slaver swine.
Wouldn’t by default hunting be the oldest profession tho? I’ve hear prostitution and war I’ve heard that before but 100% realistically the first thing the first human would have had to do was go find food…? Idk stoner thought
Yet we both have commented on his video. So we have both added to the algorithm giving him more views and money. So his purpose on the video isn't in fact useless
The Anglo Saxons came down from Scandinavia and invaded England and conquered the land. Only to have a new group of Scandinavians invade a couple hundred years later lol.
The Spanish conquered the Americas 95 years before the French, Dutch and English. That's why 32 of the 35 nations in the America's speak Soanish. The other 3 countries speak Portugese, French and English. The Spanish conquered the new world and established the Atlantic Slave Trade long before the British, French and Dutch came along.
@@habibimaya you tripping buddy, the Spanish prohibited the indigenous slavery in 1500 only after 8 years of America was discovered. And If they speak Spanish in all that countries is because the Spanish actually treated that people as humans while you exterminated everyone, now you understand why they don’t speak English, because where you went there was no more of “they” ,you killed them. Good try trying to spread the black legend against Spain , but you will remain the biggest genocides of the history. Spain did schools , hospitals and universities to that people , and gave them the same rights as someone from Spain. You are literally brain washed, but as they say, it’s easily to lie to a man than make him realize he was lied. Now learn to point urself at a map. It doesn’t matter how much you try to twist the reality, it is what it is
But we don’t live in peace at all, conflicts are going down all the time, America itself is divided between its people, and mass shootings are damn near a daily occurrence.
As a person who is half Chirachua Apache, I have said many times that my ancestors were not peaceful and often times fought other tribes long before Columbus crossed the sea, I have white friends who try talk down to me on how my ancestors were peaceful and they blow nonsense about the romanticized idea of happy and peaceful native Americans, where do people think the practice of scalping came from, or binding people up on an ant hill while cutting their eye lids of so that their brain can cook, this scene is as true as it gets here
@@djsevenone340The scene may be fake but it just tells you how to world operated during the time of imperialism. Taking land was important for a country to grow. It was conquered or be conquered during times in which imperialism was common.
Most people don't give two shits about whether or not the natives were peaceful. The argument of who the land belongs to stems from some people needing to be reminded that land is not a birthright. It's about the irony of descendants of immigrants telling new immigrants to go back to their land.
Yeah totally normal and warranted to commit genocide, rape and steal. you’re right 🤦♂️ my country Ireland was much the same before English invasion, we were a land that fought against each other constantly in tribes up until there was a common enemy in the English. Just because you’re more advanced than another land doesn’t give you the right to take all there stuff for your own gain and enslave the people. It’s like saying r*pe is okay because that’s been happening throughout history anyway. That’s so stupid, no oppressed person would say that. clearly you must be white as a ghost not Native American as you claim.
A few hundred years before the Spanish, English the Vikings arrived, the only reason they didn’t stay is because they had the same kind of weapons as the natives ( bow and arrows and spears).
I think what got really confused is how natives Treat their own tribes with respect or how they treat their treaties with respect Natives were excellent tradersIs that kind of grew the peaceful name
Fighting over land and supplies is the oldest struggle known to man, and it is a man made struggle. We all could live peacefully but it is not in our nature.
@@allaboutrap1 we lived peacefully as hunter gatherers, only fighting to protect family/tribe, not fighting over land because the land was not wanted permanently.
@@Action2me they were more likely to move on than risk dying, they didn’t have the people to replace the dead like we do today. I suspect they would move on before fighting to the death over a bush.
I mean the real tragedy is that both sides are wrong in the argument as the sad reality is that filth living conditions of europeans decimated native populations never exposed to such disease. The white men were not mightier than the natives and the native weren’t anymore owners of the land than others. Europeans simply got lucky… You can however say that europeans were near sadistic in their claims when they ‘won’ and that there quality of life factually was noted to be poorer than how natives were living
Errrmm native Americans didnt claim ownership of land, so they can't have been fighting over lands. As for resources they had no system of profit so they were not exploiting resources and taking more than they needed, although they may have fought over these resources from time to time. So yeah it's entirely different to European wars and the colonisation and genocide of the Americans. Saying this is justifying white supremacy and no better than holocaust denial.
When the English inmigrants came from Europe they were practicing Christianity in the 10 Commandments it clearly states Do not Kill Do not steal Do not covet your neighbors house This Land is Native Lands always has been Just cause you steal something doesn't make it right or yours.
As a naturalized American from Mexico, I am thankfull for a country that fought its way to this point in history. Now, the fight is to reign it back from self-destruction.
@@mclovin2155 Yes it's true the natives fought eachother. But, as a person who spends most of my time aggressively watching history documentaries and video's this in my insight: The Native Americans dominated the other tribes. If they won a battle, or crushed the other tribe, they wouldn't gengis khan it off the face of the earth, it would remain, and generations later they would return the favor. The Europeans meanwhile did 2 main things differently: 1. They made official deals and treaties, granting land, or promising peace, and simply broke them not even a generation later. Something the natives never did, they waited a century at least to betray a treaty. 2. They used biological warfare, most of the time, intentionally infecting native warriors, and sending them back, where they would fight, and infect other tribes. something other native tribes hadn't even dreamed of.
@@randomdams9179 that's a nice fairytale, Squanto. I don't care about the smallpox blankets. They murdered, sacrificed, and r*ped eachother endlessly. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I've done my research. They were savages.
I'm Apache. We have a history of picking fights with the Spanish and Mexicans and also had beef with other tribes. People then don't share a moral compass like we do now. Skin color or culture is irrelevant.
And Europeans picked fights and brutalized other Europeans. So they shouldn't complain about mass immigration into their lands because it's not theirs anymore. It belongs to the world. No more borders.
"If you steal a land, you're a noblemen. If you steal a pig, you're a criminal" -Danish folksong "Steal an apple and you're a theif. Steal a country and you're a statesman" -Jafar
@@liamrmorgans921 the difference is that Native Americans got all rounded up and killed off to the point where there aren't any left. How the fuck is that justified at all? Because they weren't peaceful ,so we can just cause borderline extinction of an entire genetic lineage of humanity from the ENTIRE western hemisphere. How can you compare that to any Indian war? Was EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TRIBE at war? Were they all blood thirsty animals? Fuck no Yeah tribal warfare maaaan
It is the absolute truth. But not only the truth of the Native Americans. It's the truth of humanity. No matter where one lives they live on land conquered by someone. To take a snapshot of human history and call it evil colonialism and demand it be undone is ridiculous and racist!
@@RojaJaneman Yes. Just like the Native Americans, the Europeans were repeatedly conquered by other tribes with different languages, religions and cultures from their own. Also different ethnicity. For instance the UK had the Celts and Brythians; displaced by the Jutes, Angles and Saxons; displaced by the Vikings and Romans; displaced by the Normans. Well.... You get my point. White people are not a single homogeneous group with a common appearance, history, culture, religion and language.
@@greghawkins6154 not d same thing. Those r neighbors. That’s common. They’re pretty much equal and have not diametrically opposite of completely genocidal tendencies towards each other. Colonization was genocidal. They didn’t even believe natives had a soul, so treated them as demons/beasts. One is a scratch. The other is a plague.
Remains have been found of entire tribes that had been killed out of existence. They genocide as well. No matter the skin tone, it is man's urge to spread that fuels these actions. @@RojaJaneman
I love how natives take the victim when it was their own ancestors that decided to not defend their "country" ask any weak ass civilization how long they would last being such cowards.... it was bound to happen with that bs thought process they employed 😂😂
@Lobos222 Who cares? Native Americans live far better after the white man conquered them then before.. They were dying of easily preventable diseases constantly trying to weather the winters within a firewood and food.. The white man conquered them and gave them central air conditioning and indoor heating.. gave them capitalism which gives them grocery stores filled with food that they don't have to hunt by themselves.. gives them health care and infrastructure.. electricity and television.. You can pretend that native Americans would have been better off without the white man but you would be lyin
The officer is arguing that neither side has a moral leg to stand on. It's like agreeing to a game of baseball, with all the rules that entails, and then complaining after losing to a superior team.
The logic that these people use, if followed all the way back to the beginning, would mean that the first human owned the entire planet for all time, and everybody stole everything from that one person
Or maybe just owning as a concept is just socially constructed? Native Americans were not “owning” much of anything before Europeans arrived with the concept and eventually founded a capitalist state
@@callyjoe164no he was referring to the natives doing it to each other. Black africans did it to each other as well and sold what was a tiny portion of their population of slaves to white europeans who were leaving Europe for the Americans
Wow holy shit, a comment and replies that acknowledge that historically we are all the same. Almost like Humans are just naturally assholes to each other and will continue to be.
I agree. It doesn’t excuse many of the horrible things that were done to the native people. One groups atrocities does not make another’s right. But my native american ancestors are no more or less correct than my European ancestors.
@Monkey-ol2qm And yet, my Native American friends, support Arby's by buying their products. Nice try, but we all allowed it to happen, by purchasing these companies products.
Yes it does justify it. The world wasn't civilized back then. It was kill or be killed. If those Indians had the power instead they would have just murdered everyone. Also they aren't native of anything. All "native" Americans are decendants of Asia. Hence the lack of facial hair and straight black hair. And the lack of alcohol tolerance. You can't judge a group of people by their ancestors.
Honestly, the only reason the conversation is even brought up today is that unlike most of history, the conquerors did not fully eradicate the conquered.
Yeah the reason we talk about it now is because the conquerors were moral enough for the first time in history not to wholly genocide the conquered. Much like the Native American tribes did to eachother (killing off all the men even the elderly and only taking in the women and female children to use as breeders)
@@HSE331germanic tribes were far worse than native tribes . Atleast the Pagan Gods of the natives didn't order for constant fighting in order to obtain Valhalla. The franks are no different in brutality.
Exactly. Every continent and country was broken up and made war with one another since the dawn of time. Though the natives fought each other, we did come in and take their shit for sure. We had the knowledge, man power, and gun power to do it. It wasn't right. But it's what happens when 2 civilizations like this meet.
The peace loving narrative put on native Americans just ignores that these dudes were at times proud warriors who fought tooth and nail to defend their lands but failed. They should be respected as symbols of defiance and bravery. Not cried over as if they were helpless victims.
That's an amazing point of view, one that I cannot disagree with. Many warriors died trying to protect their people and their land, fighting bravely to the last man. We love to talk about the Spartan 300 who died bravely defending their country from the persians, why aren't we doing the same for Native American warriors?
The Cherokee and Yamasee/Seminole peoples of the GA/SC/NC regions were some of the fiercest warriors encountered in the New World. So much so that several towns were established further in-land exclusively as outposts to warn of raiding parties headed to the coastal cities. You do not get immortalized for your ferocity and warrior status by living peaceful lives.
@@aegis3039 Chickasaw Man here, my tribe takes pride in showing our warrior pride as many statues of fallen warriors are placed around the land. Known to be the Spartans of the Mississippi.
@@jayleeper1512 The history of colonization is the history of the advancement of the human species. Writing was only invented in 3 separate cultures. The reason we all have writing today is because of colonization. The Egyptians conquered the Levant and Middle East. The Middle East conquered Greece. Greece gave writing to the Romans. In 52 ad the Romans colonized England and that is why we know almost 2,000 years of English history. The same thing was happening in China and India. Without writing, there is no modern science or medicine. Without them, we all have 28 year lifespans and terrible violent deaths.
@@karincrane3220 Since a major portion of those killed in Gaza are under the age of 18, I think we are worse off than we were before. With the destruction of the very life support system that the earth provides we actually seem to be on a dead end street, not advancing at all. There is nothing positive about colonialism, just destruction and barbarism.
Just imagine when Europeans were always fighting amongst themselves, and then china came and took over Europe. Would Europeans have a claim that the Chinese stole their land or would the Chinese have every right to conquer the land because after all, Europeans were always warring and never lived in peace?
@@asamulia Bullshit. The USA keeps almost every other country on the planet safe from invasion. We're spending BILLIONS in Ukraine to keep them from Russia. We did it in WWII, again in Korea, Kuwait and dozens of other countries. You're historically ignorant.
@@asamulia The USA is largley a force for good in the world. Its kept the peace all over the world since ww2.... mostly AND stopped the spread of communism that would have enslaved all of humanity. Its crazy to judge people on their ancestors. I dont accuse you of scalping. Something you would still be doing if the europeans had not arrived. Upsides... Downsides. Besides how can you claim anyone stole your land when your people had no concept of land ownership? Who would you lodge a complaint to?
It is it’s just whites were smarter than the other races and strategically planned our battles and invasions! That’s why we conquered and claimed America and took all of Europe and slaves in Africa. All the natives we’re already killing each other before whites came along. They just needed someone to take control and bring order to them peacefully or not.
The main reason for the fall of the Aztecs to 50 to 100 Spanish, was the Aztecs committed genocide against the other tribes and sacrificed or ate the survivors. Those tribes willingly supported the Spanish, whom they did not know well, over the Aztecs, whom they knew very, very, very well.
I once made this exact argument to a friend. His only defense was that it is less evil for people of the same race to rape and conquer each other than it is for an outsider to do the same. What a wild way to look at life.
Yeah that’s a very weak argument but theres truth to it. For the sake of the greater picture it completely makes sense. When it’s two tribes of the same race battling each other the winner will still be of the same race. Now when another race comes into the picture, it’s becomes a greater conquest - as now my whole race is in danger. And now look, there’s barely any native Americans compared to whites in the United States.
I see the point being made but the majority of native tribes were peaceful. So why is everyone on this comment section acting like it was the other way around? No one is debating that a handful of tribes weren’t peaceful but that doesn’t give the right to genocide a race and take their lands. What a bizarre way of thinking.
@carolyncoolidge8116 but you feel bad about the gaza strip right? When you should feel bad about the American citizens who were slaughtered in the thousands when theh migrated west.
Some American Indian tribes were the most brutal groups of people in recorded history. Yes even before Europeans showed up. Imagine groups of Mexican cartels all over the continent.
As an American who has Yaqui and Mohawk bloodlines, this is absolutely true. The only difference was that the natives didn’t destroy and kill everything in sight. They used the land and kept it producing, to not run out.
Uhm no they had a unit just like we have today that destroys rapes and does whatever. Still happening today and the 99% not involved suffer. Look at Isreal and Pelastine. Isreal was legit torturing people, kidnapping kids and horrible things. But just a unit. Now you can take Hamas and apply the same. Who suffer the least? The soldiers. Lmao. Twisted
Whether they fought each other or not it doesn't matter cos it was their land and they had the right to do whatever they wanted. White men then came and exploited them and that's facts
Not every Native American is the same, there were hundreds of tribes with different cultures, languages, and viewpoints. Some were more aggressive and fought a lot but there were many that were peaceful and friendly towards others. You can’t put them all in one group the same way that not every person in Europe is English.
I can see how it is hard to accept. I watch a lot of bitter people teach their children and grandbabies hatred and entitlement, rather than teach them to succeed..
The land *is* legally stolen tho. @davidg2143 Tready of Fort Laramie (1868) United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians (1980) Legally. Stolen. It was legally, owned via the tready. Do some reading.
@@kiltedsasquatch3693 what does a tready about the Haudenosaunee Confederacy have to do with the black hills? Do you think all native nations are the same? Do you think new rulings in the Supreme Court mean nothing?
@@kiltedsasquatch3693 what does a tready about the Haudenosaunee Confederacy have to do with the black hills? Do you think all native nations are the same? Do you think new rulings in the Supreme Court mean nothing?
I live in North GA on the Trail of Tears and have a great+ grandmother who was full blood cherokee indian. My papaw told me she married a white man intentionally to lighten up her bloodlines skin color 😂 she had like 11 kids lol i am pretty white but have very dark hair and beard. Dark brown eyes, and I have a temper like no other
Great scene. As a history teacher I always have to explain to my students that it wasn't like the natives were having a giant peace festival and we ruined it. The history of humanity could be summed up as one group came in and pushed out another. Is it great, no... But let's not pretend America is uniquely evil.
You shouldn’t be a history teacher. This is like saying “oh black slaves are not always beaten, they could form relationship with their master as well.” What’s wrong is wrong. Unless ur teaching a high level course in uni about aboriginal history, then you are just indoctrinating kids
Makes one wonder if this is the real reason the white founding fathers of our constitution made it so in the 2nd amendment to carry a musket around, not for fear of Tyranny of their own race coming back to take the stolen land but out of fear of the natives ?
I grew up and live in Bay Area, California. I have been in the USA for generations - Irish American 97% tested bloodline - 23andMe. I work construction in the residential field. Some of the guys I work with are Mexican and some do not have “legal citizenship.” A few years back back, we went to visit the rest of my family who live in Philadelphia, PA, and they are all very political, even involved in politics on the county level. They asked me if they were OK with the fact I worked with “illegal immigrants” and followed up with all these other racist, BS questions…. My answer, we are of Irish heritage…we showed up on the USA doormat sick, diseased and dying. Only difference I see between the guys trying to cross the border now and what our ancestors did, the door was open before…I don’t see any difference between what our family did generations ago or what they’re trying to do now - everyone just wants what’s best for their families.
@@coolniss5430 the settlers were poor immigrants looking for a better life encroaching on and stealing land. The natives were violent xenophobes protecting their homes and culture.
Indigenous Nations worked together to make the country that Europeans in America live on today. But Caucasians burnt it down and put the actual Citizens on Reservations and Boarding Schools. -COMANCHE NATION
And who's history do you speak of? As Winston Churchill once said. History is...written by the Victor's. A.k.a- history is written by the living. So are you talking about the history that was told, by the good guy who won. Who claimed the actual truth. Or.... You talking about the bad guy who won. Who rewrote history in his image, claiming he was the good guy. So blindly believe what he says about what happened... Yeah our history, is a complete lie. An indoctrination, written by the elites to keep us peasant of life, clueless to our real history. *History *His- story *His- bias-onesided- story They even mock you with the name itself...😂
I think it’s awesome that all the ancient historical recordings are coming to light now, I’m even more impressed that they converted them to colour. Modern technology is brilliant and allows us to see these meetings from the past in full colour and not in black and when they were recorded. I recently watched a really long story with Napoleon in it, it was also remastered into colour and the quality was fantastic. The battles were very well recorded. I really hope they find even older recordings.
As a Native American who also has immigrant grandparents, this is such a confusing topic. I'm proud of my heritage from both sides and I'm proud to be an AMERICAN. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world. History is meant to teach us, not tear us apart.
You can only learn from history IF what you are being taught is the TRUTH, not some manipulated version, conjured up to suit a particular narrative ...
I have a similar story. Family has been in America since 1600’s, & Puerto Rico since the 1500’s. Fought in every war in bothplaces. I have Custer ancestors (not sure if we’re that Custer’s relative) & Clark, Lawyer Jose Burgos who petitioned the Spanish court to allow marriage of Natives & Spaniards, African ancestors who got to PR the hard way, & am 12% Native Taíno. The Taíno as a race/culture are gone & only exist in people like me. All that said I wouldn’t exist now if it wasn’t for all of that, neither would the ethnic mutts that are the rest of my family. I don’t like what happened, but I’m happy to be here, & am proud to be here & apart of the American story.
I am also Native American with European roots (as well as Jewish) and I love all my cultures and no matter how much I hate the American government, I am an American
Everybody loves native Americans, What you're not understanding is that the white man lived almost identically 1000s years prior and that a Paleolithic society cannot survive next to 15-20th century Europeans decendants society.
It’s not that we conquered them. It’s how we treated them after we did. We treated them as less than people went back on treaties and pushed them to the edge of existence.
We did something that was rarely done throughout history…Europeans didn’t exterminate them completely. If there were no Native Americans left, no one would question who owns this land.
@@xnetpc bruh?! You think Europeans were good because they did not "exterminate" (something that's historically Extremely rare) the conquered tribes but used them as slaves
100 % factual. The conquering tribes would celebrate by cooking & eating the heads of the conquered young. They also made the horse extinct in the America's by eating them. What, you didn't learn this in school or from watching that farce of a movie "Dancing with Wolves"?
@@NestaSimbaSautionly ones who didn't are those pacific islands where they had the nuke tests. Literally. All of Africa, all of Asia, all of Europe. All of North America. All of south America. All of central America. Even Australia
We here in America know the history of the tribal nations of our country, since it was passed down among them and often shared. Some battles between tribes are legendary and points of pride. No, the people of the tribal nations were not pacifistic hippies, they were just trying to survive, and that meant eliminating any threats to their survival. You do what you've got to do.
There were more buffalo to eat than every Comanche, Sioux, or any other plains Indian could eat, so why did they attack and slaughter entire villages of each others tribes before a single white man ever come onto the continent?
Does that involve cutting the scalp from still living people? What about enslaving their women and children to include rape? Many cruel and sadistic things were done by people in the past, especially natives.
@@alphabrodienBut the worst in history has been done by YOUR people. As you did all that you've said and more. You enslaved God's chosen people and literally ate them. Your people feasted on our flesh like monsters. So for all the wickedness your Fathers have put forth....So must be done to you. God says He that put shackles on a Man, must also enslaved. Eye for an eye. So don't worry, your peoples day of being conquered by Africans.....Is coming.
@@alphabrodien no one denies this.however they lived on the conquerors principle where "the winner" received the "spoils of war". It's not perfect, heck it's vile, but so are the rest of us as humans. At least with the natives their wars didn't make them view their enemies of less than human. The whiteman looked at anything different amd said "break it"
The clip is from the film “Bury my heart at wounded knee” the characters were real but the conversation is not. But it clearly shows two narratives of two peoples.
But what do you think?
Do you agree more with Colonel Miles? Agree more with Sitting Bull or maybe you think they both make good points
They are both right.
Robbery and homicide has always been part of the human toolkitt.
The industrial revolution ment that western Europe and USA became exeptionaly good at it is all.
(They are both right... _from a certain point of view)._
Like Both Hitler and Stalin invaded Poland.
Stalin did it twice!
Miles was at least mostly correct. This idea that the red tribes lived in harmony with nature and spent their days jet skiing and basket weaving flies in the face of *actual* historical record.
P.S. For the subverted, I use the term, red tribes, because NO ONE was native to America. If me being called white is not offensive, neither is being called black or red or yellow.
What Colonel Miles says is mostly true. The Lakota Sioux tribe moved from Minnesota into the Black Hills and stole the land which was stolen several times by previous tribes.
Just like the American Southwest was once stolen from the natives by Spain and then conquered by the Mexicans in a war, the US won the land in a war after Mexicans invited Anglos into Texas and then attacked them after they became affluent by raising cattle.
I don’t think Sitting Bull made any points. He just got offended by the truth.
An insane amount of people actually have the delusion that the natives all lived in perfect harmony until the white man showed up like the fire nation.
Here, you sign here and here. Accept the reservation, including your mountain, since you lost the conflict. Now this is your reservation under US laws and treaties.
Oh, there is valuable materials in that mountains? Oh, these US property documents are not valid anymore. So says the US government.
Lets see how happy you would be if the US government did such to your property after the fact.
@@Lobos222 you do know that they literally can do that right? It's called imminent domain. Also most warring native nations just genocided each other back in the day, I'd say our current reservation system is a bit better than that.
@Lobos222 man woke up and decided to drop the hardest US W
@@Lobos222 We could have been like them and just wiped our enemies out after the war was won. Key point being, we won AND we gave them land. Others don't do that. The people we conquered never gave land to those they conquered. They are treated better than they'd treat us. They're lucky.
Have you ever in your life seen a person with this opinion?
This is the story of the whole world: conquer or be conquered.
It WAS the story of the world. Do you want it to remain that way?
P.S. The usual characters interpret this statement to mean that somehow we should/could/might change human nature, and send me comments to that effect.
Only a cretin would interpret it in that way - or a guy trying very hard to appear worldly-wise. I'll leave it to you to decide if there's a difference. The evidence suggests not.
A sensible person might think that with the introduction of international law and institutions of order like the UN, the International Court, the IMF and the World Bank, these things can be mitigated over time.
The cretins however will continue to, well, do what cretins do and burble some nonsense. Spare me your burblings: go burble to other cretins.
@@LordOfLightwe are talking about past here
@@user-o7 Are we? Looking at the comments, including the originator of this thread, I'd say everyone - except yourself apparently - is talking about the present. And the future too.
@ellyn0301 Thank you! You are exactly right. Not stolen land, conquered!
@@balazsfodor4So if I invaded your house and threw you out of it I wouldn't be stealing it, right? I'd be "conquering" it. Good to know, good to know.........
I'm Comanche and my people were Lions not Sheep. We shook the world with our roar and conquered all that lay before us. Until the day came when crippled by disease, surrounded by enemies and overwhelmed by technology we were finally defeated. I will not dishonour my ancestors and deny their greatness by playing the victim for sympathy.
Well put! If everyone respected the right for each people to honor their ancestors as they see fit things would be so much simpler.
I am ute native. The Comanche were brutal. The fact is they killed entire tribes but left the boys who were able bodied for war. I don't see that as honorable but a survival tactic. If they didn't they would of had no one left.
No denying the Comanche were fearsome. At the end of the day we're humans but we're also animals doing the most natural thing trying to survive. Sometimes that means conquering other humans.
I'm an Irishman, and understand well how enemies try to destroy us
they use those who are nearest and closest to us...
our own kind...
The North of Ireland is still occupied by a people sent here to settle and overtake us by numbers, power and influence.
We also fight bravely, and have done for millennia.
Just like you we in Ireland have earned a right to be regarded as warriors.
greatness is right my friend.
you earned that right.
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Yeah right...
It does not matter if they killed each other, the thing is they were here first and their land was taken.
You can say the exact same thing of the people before them, and those before them, and so on and so on. So what the army guy says is true. Its not an excuse to take over, its just the truth.
@@rossbrumby1957 who were the people before them?
They are from Asia so
Are you really that dumb? Did you even "THINK" about what you said?
Would you say the same thing about the native Britons conquered by Rome or the Romans in Britain conquered by Anglo-Saxons or the Anglo-Saxons in Britain conquered by the French? Every nation somewhere at some point has been conquered by somebody.
Dude took up most of the screen and contributed absolutely nothing
That’s what I was thinking. Why do people do that? Just standing there point at the screen when it could take up the whole thing.
@@PP-cm4reso they can call it content and monetize, reaction channels have been doing it forever but now they dont even react anymore they just sit there with a blank face
Thats how people get famous nowadays
This is literally what most of youtube is starting to become now.
Smug look on face as if he doing the explaining knowledgeably
As a Native American myself I can weigh in. Literally everywhere in the world there were people killing other people for personal gain and not getting along, Europe, Asia, Africa, and the americas long before the 1700s, the 1600s, long before the 1000s, Aztec natives sacrificed slaves of tribes they conquered. The white man has his point and states as much that his fight is not Nobel and out of greed and lust, same as the natives have in the past, we all have a history of war, and unless we acknowledge that we will repeat the past with our future. Only once we all understand that the world isn’t a great or even good place can we start to change that. Thank you for reading
The atrocities committed by white man in america is no where near the conflict that was already happening. Also, who the hell appointed them as world police in this situation
I’m not Native American but personally that’s not the case for international travel. Like china in the past(not modern day) explored up to like Africa and was like “shit we good”. Europe visited a different continent and their desires were generally to conquer an extremely foreign culture and build a European state of Europeans or western influenced peoples lowered in society
It’s not common in history to go across the whole ocean and try to take continents unless you Europe
@@MrClean-ep7ucIf China said "we good" then why are they wanting to take over Taiwan or why are they building islands in the Sea? It's not just Europeans it's any person who has a desire for power and there are history books full of examples from all over the earth. Don't be so quick to pick a side based on race or nationality the real war is Good vs. Evil. Any human can fall to Evil.
@@MrClean-ep7uc well considering that history tells us that most of the worlds intelligence was located in Europe and Asia, it would only seem logical that those continents would have the people that would build ships and seek out a foreign land for their own use. Throughout history the weak fall to the mightier, be it man or animals. And, yes, man may have brought animals to new areas where they may kill animals that had no defense to the new animal. But, that's just evolution. All breeds of man around the world have all been here the same amount of time. Some progressed and some stayed barbaric. Each breed chose their lifestyle. If one didnt like the other, for whatever reason, usually religion, then they were taken out. Like it or not it's just the way things have always been. We did not steal this country, we fought for it, and the better man won. Whether we like it or not, its fact not legend.
Only if you have the balls to go in the first place. Men were made of steel back then, that's why they went. Nature doesn't care for your racist narrative, in nature nothing feels sorry for itself and only the strongest will survive. Nature is a constant struggle to survive and dominate.
Not just the story of American Indians, it is the story of all human kind.
except for Millennials, they're still trying to conquer pronouns and the ability to use whatever bathroom they want.
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It’s all as violent and pointless as the story of Cain and Able from the Bible. Not much has changed since.
BINGO!!
Truth
If you ever feel useless in your life, remember this guy and his green screen.
I will not
Alone that you noticed that makes you useless 🎉
He hurt your feelings enough though
@@jeremiahmiller4244 Nope, I agree with the video. But he didn't do squat. Just re-posted it with his useless presence in there. 😂 No intake, no point of view, just a dumb finger point.
@@daude111 that I see your point on
I'm a native and tbh he's not wrong my people still have beef with other tribes
But you know damn good and well that Europeans arriving in the Americas was the worst thing that ever happened to your people.
@@Mrcarter_44the same could be said with the English against the Irish, what is your point? This is the way of the world.
@@Mrcarter_44yes but most of the natives died from disease that they brought. Far less were actually killed in battles than most think. Natives were pushed out of lands that they pushed other natives out of.
@@AdamSmith-km1fnat the time of "Irish vs english" it was technically Celts vs Britons, England wanted Scotland, Ireland and Wales, they still haven't changed either, english think they are better than those who speak Gaelic, the English are [insert name for bundle of sticks here].
@@Tankedmosquito interesting historian. So, when the Virginia company was gathering white folk in the 1600s to ship to Jamestown to work the land, who were they sending? Where does the term kidnapping come from?
So glad dude was there with his green screen, don't know what i would have done without him
Lmao
Yes, we need his face reaction to remind us to react as well.
If he hadn't been in the lower half pointing to the upper half, how would we as an audience ever known where to watch though?? He's doing the Lord's work 😂😂
This is literally the laziest god damn content on this whole platform.
Fr we need mkre people like him
As a Sioux Indian myself, I can say they both make good arguments. We were a very war-like people and always have been. We simply did what war-like people do. Just as European Tribes fought each other on their own continent. So we Natives fought each other. Human beings have always fought one another for one reason or another.
Me, being of "viking" heritage, also has to admit that my ancestors might not all have been heroes. But one thing I realize more and more, the common man do not want to fight in others conquests. But are forced or fooled into armies, big or small, for the gain of some few mighty men. This is a fact all trough history, and not at all less today. Always when a war is about, to whos gain? When a plague is about, to whos benefit? And if there are no need at the present, some are really good to find a way to create it, and fill it. While dancing around their golden calf of Mammon.
@@mathiasjohannesson9833This argument kind of falls apart when you read about what happens during the sacking of a city. Most of the time, you can’t keep the conquering soldiers from raping and looting and killing the innocents. Even if the commander of the army orders them not to do so, and kills men that are found doing it, you can’t prevent it.
And many of the earlier European tribes were conquered by the Romans and when the time came for the Empire to take a tumble (at least in Western Europe) new tribes like the Goths and Franks helped it along and took over the vacated imperial territories.
@@fireandiron4181yes you can lmao. Its been done in the past
@@mathiasjohannesson9833 Not really, going to war meant booty, it also meant promotion if you did well, eventually it could mean leadership.
How do you think those powerful people became powerful.
How do you think colonialism works?
its only the recent past where powerful people did not have to fight, politically and physically to keep their position of power.
To "better" yourself is as old as humans and even the animals do it today.
Fucking truth as a native man from canada the history of what happened to other tribes isn't pretty in the slightest. I'm so thankful for civilization as it is today.
Dude it's stolen land that relativistic view why they don't apply to Russia today by that insane logic u can justify everything
Gfy
@@nebitno5054dont drag on the native conflict, out ancestors have long ago settled it when we took over the last native lands, gave proper freedom in the form of rights to the natives and gave them their deserved respect.
Every land is stolen land. Whether it’s 500 or 5000 years ago.
Except the us government signed treaty after treaty that it then broke when it wasn’t convenient. It is undeniably shameful how this country treated the people that were here before.
Whoever had it first should’ve been stronger 🤷♂️ you can’t steal something that’s already stolen
@@CodaCoda9 back to my original comment…..
@@johnwiz4460 ya you can hahahah you just stealing it from the next person
Exactly…all lands are stolen, so who should be considered original??
Some believe the natives migrated across a land bridge before spreading out. So it’s not theirs they just showed up.
We bought half our country from the French. So it wasn’t really taken.
And to be fair we gave them reservations to govern as they see fit and also the freedom to enjoy the rest of the country.
We're all guilty at any point of history. Pick a country, there's a story behind it.
underrated comments.
LMAO only a oppressor can say this shit
@@Aliballerevery nation, creed & color has been both the oppressor & the oppressed at one point in history..
@@Aliballer You need to read up on your world and National history, my friend.
@@Aliballeronly an uneducated clown could say what you said. Virtually all land on earth has been fought over. Get over it.
I'm native from Mojave tribe. Natives were just as human as the whites and also just as violent and pioneering. It's human nature to conquer and build. All our ancestors looked out for their own and nothing wrong with it. Past is past, the only thing that matters now is now
Native Americans are some of the best warriors! Its known in White history
Yes. Well said.
Past is past, the only thing that matters now is now = cut out every context ever.
You up to this? xD
I want more people to see our ancestors just as human as theirs. It feels like Indians of the past are either seen as savages or innocent children corrupted by the white man. each tribe has had its own histories, governments, allies, enemies, wars and celebrations just like every other human culture.
Bad luck to be colonized by hulligans and pirates
True, however the U.S has broken treaty and agreements countless times. These facts are well documented. That is the real issue.
They could have been totally killed off,so treaties were struck,so that didn't have to happen!!The native killed off other tribes too!!!
Breaking promises, treaties, contracts, etc. is a human flaw. Anyone who says they have never broken any of that is lying through their teeth.
The real issue is genocide of natives that white Americans don’t acknowledge. It’s the same story all over the world. Europeans have caused most of the misery due to colonization and slavery.
Killed off !? Yeah right lakota is the only nation to defeat the US on American soil.natives live on rez because of lies and broken treaties . Never foget the atrocities that happened at wounded knee , to kill women and children lets you know they tried to exterminate the lakota.@stevenwatkins3634
So yo lie you must be penalized to the fullest extent of the law of this land
@@snowchild91
“How did you get this land?”
“My father gave it to me.”
“And before him?”
“His father.”
“And before him?”
“His father.”
“And before him?”
“His father fought for it.”
“Then I shall fight you for it.”
-Old Scandinavian Proverb
The point of the native American argument isn't that ancestral land means shit, it's that when the "white man" takes the land he also kills every last man women and child on it.
Then all of our descendants shall live in wars
You realize that this is a movie and it's not remotely accurate, right? You're using a Hollywood produced movie as evidence😂
As indigenous people we didn't believe anybody owned the land, but we also didn't believe it was okay to come over here and wipe us out and push us off the place where we were living
@jamesjdm Every culture is guilty of crimes against nature, crimes against humanity.
I think you have listened to the narrative that has been pushed for the last 50 years.
I spent the last 40 minutes, after reading your post, and I have found no less than 10 articles in which it states that the Indians fought each other prior to the Europeans arriving.
The evidence of this is confirmed in archeological digs, something that oral history cannot refute.
Instead of buying into the BS, why don’t you educate yourself and read. It’s called confirmation bias when you only look up information that suits your narrative.
Aboriginals fought each other long before Europeans ever arrived and I dare say this movie was brave enough to point that out instead of risking it be “cancelled” because peoples feelings get hurt.
Without the man pointing to the video, I wouldn't have been able to find my way or know where to point my eyes. Thank you so much!
This made me giggle.
this new so called reaction style where people nod and point and make stupid faces really erks the hell outa me lol
I was wondering why you would have a green screen to not use it - aside from saying you have one?
😂😂😂 he's gonna change the world
I dislike it as much as you
Native American here: he ain’t wrong.
Land is won in blood, and it’s always been that way. The moment you’re too busy or afraid to shed blood to keep it, you’ll slowly start to lose it.
True. Love the show. Amazing!
And we are now with this tyrant government we have😡🤬
Excellent comment
well said
@@routerider9542sad truth most people don't seem to remember. Every land was conquered at least once by some other group even if it wasn't done by an outside group.
The native Americans told the settlers that no one can own the land. Then, when the settlers claimed ownership, the native Americans culturally appropriated property rights from the white man and claimed they "stole" the land. The land they said they didn't own.
But if those native Americans were on that land, and another tribe tried to live on it, there would be bloodshed. They took it because it was better land, until they could take other land that benefited them more. Hypocrites much,?
It still doesn't change the fact that "it's a Native American Land". White Americans should go back to Europe. A lot of them originally came from england, so they should go back to england.
Lies. They killed, raped and removed thousands of Indigenous people from the land.
This isn't the story of Native Americans and European colonists. It's the story of all humanity everywhere.
Native Americans fighting each other in America compared to Europeans genociding each other in Europe
My thought exactly, It's the story of humanity. No place is unique nor special when it comes to war and conquests.
you are sssooooo right 👍
I've been deep in researching hunan history as far back as has been recorded. Like you said, humans have been killing each other since it's inception. It's been a thorn in my heart since I watched the US fire bomb the jungles in Vietnam when I seen it on the news when I was 3 years old. Besides just raiding people's material goods snd land, the hatred of other people who didn't look or sound like them also littered humanity and history with millions of bodies. Killing just for fun. I've rejected all of that way of thinking.
I agree people fight among each other all the time, but this is the way they found to justify the sick twisted things they did.
As a Cheroenhaka native, i was taught the land belongs to no one. The land belongs to the Earth. Just like we belong to the great spirit.
Idk where i heard this but im hearing it from you atm lol
🙏
No disrespect intended but it's really easy for someone who dosent own land to say no one owns it. Kinda like it's really easy for a homeless person to say that no one owns that persons home anyone can use it. The Native people fought and killed to keep other people out of their territory and were beaten back and killed off by others and moved on to other lands that they took from whoever was there. If you wanna say "Yeah but thats not ownership, then your just arguing semantics"
@@RogueDragon05 the native people, consists of over 400 different tribes. Not all 'the native people' acted, thought, and lived the same.
@@theycallme4799 "Not all 'the native people' acted, thought, and lived the same." I completely agree, I've pointed that very same thing out to others in this comment section. There were "norms" though and disputes over hunting rights, who can live where and the solution lying in violence rather then saying neither of us own the land was the norm. At the end of the day we are all here now together as one unity of nations and states and culture.
My great grandma was Indian and she would say" the land belongs to no man because no man can live as long as the land." Even the 5 nation was at war for a long time.
You mean Native right?
@@JustedurBAyou missed the point. nobody is “native” to anywhere. there were other peoples before them.
@@kensurrency2564However, you can be Indegenous to the land as it is a colonial term not geographical and Indians of America are Indegenous and preserve all the rights to the land.
Wonderful quote. I’m going to use it!
Your grandma is wise.
True, but we aquired most of their land through unhonored treaties.
Exactly
@@lazer8776not exactly. Who went against the treaties?
@@Garth-bd3pu who do you think?
Right now, the Indigenous people of England and the British isles are being colonised by unhonored promises of their leaders but to point this out, you'd be called a racist, or you'd be told it's deserved somehow.
Based
We killed our neighbors, but you gave us the guns to do it? Not a good argument.
You tripping.
But y'all gone have to give it back eventually.
Double
@@Ozem_Israelthat’s very doubtful. Actually that’s 100% doubtful.
but before they just used bows dude, having guns doesn’t just cause people to start killing eachother
@@Ozem_IsraelSomebody missed a lot of world history classes.😅
So Americans are the saviors? and Europeans didn't kill each other for centuries before they came to America to kill people weaker than them cause they didn't have arms ?
So hypocritical.
As a native of the Creek Nation, I can say this is accurate. Tribes also had slaves. It was a brutal time for sure, but not all tribes were as violent as others. There was war.
I think the point that’s trying to be made is that all civilizations have problems, and at one time have done gravely immoral things. No-one, not even the natives are exempt. The fairytale that the natives were a perfect and sinless people living in perfect harmony is an indefensible and almost laughable claim. (My family has both white and native roots by the way)
Also, I don’t understand why we have to talk like this still affects us, you’d think 400-500 years would be enough time for us to get over this shit.
Some of my ancestors were Caddo Indians. They were all either wiped out by Comanche or assimilated with the whites in east Texas in the late 1800s
Its happening again between government and citizens they are creating propaganda to make us hate each other for distraction so they can further their agenda without us watching them
@@noname91784Making excuses for genocide proves you aren’t native, so don’t speak on matters not pertinent to you.
The truth of the matter: History is never simple.
I will use this argument when you ask me why I'm robbing your house.
Hey, if I don't do it, someone else will.. Right 😂
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 Well, the Palestinians did try to steal all of Israel in 48.
@@kazekamiha palestine always been their land, never the jews, the whole world knows that. 😂
@@jamesmichaeljean7840 If you ignore the jewish people living there, who bought land and had that land acknowledged by the UN during the partition and was forced to defend their land over and over to a group of people who wanted it all and spent 75 years crying and whining as opposed to knowing when to cut their losses and move on.
Keep crying.
@@kazekamiha yes, we all know about how England gave the jews stolen land in the Balfour declaration.
How can someone gift others with stolen goods 😂 it's a crime to give or receive stolen goods. 😂
Can I rob you and sell your belongings on ebay?
Facts. The “native Americans” came actually the Bering land bridge and took what they wanted, then took what they wanted from each other. Every square inch of livable land on this planet was taken from someone else at some point, then had it taken from them by someone else. That’s life. If you don’t want to lose it, then win.
We're the only country in history that beats ourselves up over it. Every other country is just like "Too bad."
Not true. Australia also. Whites need to get a grip before it's too late.
We're the only people that display empathy toward our former enemies. They would have just wiped us off the face of the earth if they won. We should adopt their mentality, to be honest. Why should be constantly put up with this s* in the name of "tolerance"? No more guilt. No more victimhood. We should dominate them, make them submit, or remove them from this earth. Whether it's Tyrone and BLM, Juan and La Raza, or these people.
Only race. That did it less. Not more..just better en recorder it.
It’s the elements that are running the messaging apparatus (schools, etc) that constantly try to make white folks feel like sht for being born white. They do it by hiding behind a multicultural smokescreen so you can’t see who they are.
Seen what's happening here in Australia?
Facts. I was raised on a reservation and I'm here to tell you that tribes have a hate for each other that goes back farther than recorded history. So do Asians but that's a different miniseries.
What's it got to do with us Asians. I don't hate anyone
And that's what makes us foolish Native Americans have so much hate and we take it out on each other. We need a common enemy and I'm set on making that enemy Red, White, and Blue.
@@TrippinCreatives - Eh, history? I've met and known Americans whose parents emigrated from Japan, Korea, Philippines, Hong Kong. The latter three peoples told me it was pretty clear within their families how there was no love lost for the Japanese. Wonder why...
@@user-wi9se5ll3j - Wow. Haven't learned much from history. I'll take those of whatever tribe/ethnicity/skin tone who believe in Love, we are all made in God's Image, shared values, and treating others-as-I-want-to-be-treated for 100, Alex.
@@machtnichtsseimann No God intrusted Natives with this land we had a connection with him and all the was takin away from us. So we must take it back, you walk on the graves of our proud soldiers and what's gonna stop us from doing the same to yours. The Vietnamese found a way and so shall we, I will burn in eternity in hell so that future kids will have that connection with God again.
As a Native American, I have been saying this same thing to White Liberal my entire life!!
I'm Irish/Native American our own histories(Native American) tell us about the lands we gave to the white men as gifts or traded for weapons and the numerous treaties broken by both sides. So no it's not stolen land since the majority of it was given and traded away before the whites conquered what was left.
White liberal extremists are crazy man. Conservative extremists aren't any better either. Anything extreme is bad. People get disillusioned, aren't informed, and more. People who are uninformed making decisions and have beliefs without the proper knowledge to do so. Recipe for disaster
To me those people have always been the most racist. The most white savior complex. Like they actually look down on other races and feel the need to advocate for them and shit.
People in charge a playing a big division game and it’s working beautifully for them.
What tribe are you decended from?
So what is natives had their wars, spain was invator and nothing changes it. Its natives land and thats it
If europeans had the right to colonize north america because indigenous north american people were killing each other...
Then by that logic, people of non european origin also have the right to colonize europe?
Europeans have also been killing each other.
In fact most wars that happened in history occured in europe.
Colonization of Europe is in one of our prophecies
They can try.
@@WongGame727 they already do
Might makes right. No one gives you the right to conquer anything; the strongest countries takes it. Many outside countries have defeated and controlled European lands in the past.
The Mongol Empire and Ottoman Empire are the biggest example. The arabs controlled part of Spain at one post.
Any modern country with a large land area in Asia was forged through conquest. China and India didn't become absolutely massive by asking nicely. It may not be quite the same as colonization but they certainly killed quite a lot of locals while doing it.
@@WongGame727yeah saudi is on process now sending bunch of muslim refugees to europe and building muslim school not to make them forget muslim heritage that’s how Saudi is colonizing Europe now. Look it up Saudi is funding Muslim schools in Europe and funding refugees in Europe.
Absolute truth. We took the land from people who took the land from other people. The whole world was settled like this.
The whole world - by the evils of the white man... (so called white man - demonic)
Y’all used small pox blankets on us though, and caused the biggest genocide the world has ever seen by almost making my people go extinct from your greed. The whole world doesn’t put horrible viruses on things and send them to countries, as it’s seen as some of the worst things you can do in war. Quit lying and giving your pos ancestors a break for slaughtering my people, all while raping our women. That’s ok though in your mind
I agree with you about this try and find the soldiers blue movie
Yet, it is still the path of huge suffering. Your mother, father, sibling, friends, cousins and all have to go through suffering in each huge war. Taking people land is not something to be taken lightly. It is the virus within human that was uncontrollable and wanted to destroy itself and man kind.
This is not about who at fault or blaming Like what this video implies at all, this is just two men talking at their problems, but a world war is something terrible you wish will never happened. It is real not from movie and if you experience war once, you will never accept this easily. It all terrible in whichever war it is.
My grandfather was Choctaw. He taught me that America has always been a land for the strong to be held by the strongest. This is how ALL land work. He said this was the case long before the white man came, and nothing has changed. He was proud that the Choctaw saw this and adapted quickly. Many nations that refused to accept reality were decimated beyond saving. The technology gap was just too great. If America is stolen then so is the rest of the world. Every single land has been conquered.
Exactly when people talk about this I always say well than the Holy Land that is still fought over till this day belongs to the Canaanites
Then welcome China! ;-)
If you are an animal yes
@@elg7365that we are. Can't hide from it
@@andlemthey can come get some. They now where we are.
As a half Yaqui.
I've heard the same stories.
No land is anyones land.
It's fought and won. Not by white men or red. But by men themselves.
Edit: I didn't mean to start a debate. Don't stand on anyone's shoulders and call yourself tall. We all know what life is like. And unfortunately we are here on YT arguing about it.
It's fought and won?! How deluded you are my friend
@@waqzh6128he aint deluded at all. Every but of land owned by tribes/countries were fought for. Land belongs to the victor, thats what history shows. Maybe you should tale a history class.
@@HuckleberryisonYTland belongs to no man brother. A lack of self knowledge is why this world has been this way. Once you truly realize that this whole world is everyone’s home then there can peace on this realm
@mr.warrioro3172 then the Muslims can move to the millions of miles of mulim land and should not fight to live among the isreali people....... wait that's standards and with out double standards you have none. Modern day Baby beheader slaver swine.
@@Trenchtown__O__O Whatever unreality dream world you live in must be a nice place.
Their killing each other doesn't give you permission to conquer and colonize them Period!
I remember someone saying “the oldest profession in human history is war, and the one it will end with is war.”
I've always heard prostitution is the oldest 😂
I thought it was prostitution
Being a thief I think is the oldest.
Prostitution is the oldest profession, warrior is the second
Wouldn’t by default hunting be the oldest profession tho? I’ve hear prostitution and war I’ve heard that before but 100% realistically the first thing the first human would have had to do was go find food…? Idk stoner thought
If you ever feel useless, remember the guy on the bottom half of the screen exists.
Edit: Mom! I got 2,000 likes! Extra chimkin nuggies tonight!
Still not as useless as the unoriginal guy using this tired comment.
@@noaht5191is that you on the clip😂
Dude that's hilarious
We’ll stop when they stop
Yet we both have commented on his video. So we have both added to the algorithm giving him more views and money. So his purpose on the video isn't in fact useless
Every land was someone else's land at some point. It is what it is at this point.
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U crazy lol no one was in america befor the native Americans, native americans was the first people and race in america
So no israel then right
philippines, hawaii, taiwan, new zealand, iceland, denmark, norway, japan, papua new guinea.
be like... YOU THINK WE ARE A JOKE?
It has nothing to do with the matter, if they where killing each other, it is still their land. How they lived there is entirely up to them.
All land is taken from someone at some point in history. None of us are innocent. There, now we can be friends.
this is the story of white ppl trying to justify themselves 😂🤣
Facts hurt feelings man. Lol people don't like that this was just how the world was.
Got that Doc Holiday vibe from this comment. 😂
***Puts guns down on table***
"There, now we can be friends again."
@@user-rp6cv1mr2lyou missed the part where it has to be taken by force. By all means try to take someone's house by force and see how it goes.
@MrSilvertech bro what are you talking about 🤣
And British kingdoms and clans fought with each other for centuries ...but when the Vikings came, the recognized them as foreign invaders. Same thing.
Funny thing is those British kingdoms were mostly invaders too
Huh, that is a very good point. Nice.
The Anglo Saxons came down from Scandinavia and invaded England and conquered the land. Only to have a new group of Scandinavians invade a couple hundred years later lol.
It's stolen
@@bradleybreslin945you forgot that the Romans came first and last of all the Norman's.
As a Mexican with probably native American blood . I don’t care enough to bother . As long as we live in peace now. Let the past die in the past
Glory to God
The Spanish conquered the Americas 95 years before the French, Dutch and English. That's why 32 of the 35 nations in the America's speak Soanish. The other 3 countries speak Portugese, French and English. The Spanish conquered the new world and established the Atlantic Slave Trade long before the British, French and Dutch came along.
That's my attitude
@@habibimaya you tripping buddy, the Spanish prohibited the indigenous slavery in 1500 only after 8 years of America was discovered. And If they speak Spanish in all that countries is because the Spanish actually treated that people as humans while you exterminated everyone, now you understand why they don’t speak English, because where you went there was no more of “they” ,you killed them. Good try trying to spread the black legend against Spain , but you will remain the biggest genocides of the history. Spain did schools , hospitals and universities to that people , and gave them the same rights as someone from Spain. You are literally brain washed, but as they say, it’s easily to lie to a man than make him realize he was lied. Now learn to point urself at a map. It doesn’t matter how much you try to twist the reality, it is what it is
But we don’t live in peace at all, conflicts are going down all the time, America itself is divided between its people, and mass shootings are damn near a daily occurrence.
Bottom line: The Native was a hypocrite (no offense to them).
As a person who is half Chirachua Apache, I have said many times that my ancestors were not peaceful and often times fought other tribes long before Columbus crossed the sea, I have white friends who try talk down to me on how my ancestors were peaceful and they blow nonsense about the romanticized idea of happy and peaceful native Americans, where do people think the practice of scalping came from, or binding people up on an ant hill while cutting their eye lids of so that their brain can cook, this scene is as true as it gets here
What did the white fo bro no man wws peace full ,
False this whole scene is B.S Especially the characters that played it. Bunch of fake B.S 😂
@@djsevenone340Bro just told you about his ancestors and you say the things he said were false lmao.
@@djsevenone340The scene may be fake but it just tells you how to world operated during the time of imperialism. Taking land was important for a country to grow. It was conquered or be conquered during times in which imperialism was common.
Most people don't give two shits about whether or not the natives were peaceful. The argument of who the land belongs to stems from some people needing to be reminded that land is not a birthright. It's about the irony of descendants of immigrants telling new immigrants to go back to their land.
I’m Native American and he’s right we’re human and we fight and the strong win which is what happened when the white man came
Yeah totally normal and warranted to commit genocide, rape and steal. you’re right 🤦♂️ my country Ireland was much the same before English invasion, we were a land that fought against each other constantly in tribes up until there was a common enemy in the English. Just because you’re more advanced than another land doesn’t give you the right to take all there stuff for your own gain and enslave the people. It’s like saying r*pe is okay because that’s been happening throughout history anyway. That’s so stupid, no oppressed person would say that. clearly you must be white as a ghost not Native American as you claim.
Don’t believe the white mans lies
Before the white man came, he made a funny face.
A few hundred years before the Spanish, English the Vikings arrived, the only reason they didn’t stay is because they had the same kind of weapons as the natives ( bow and arrows and spears).
@@kumabear3529Im pretty sure 1000-1200 weapons are not only spears and arrows
As a descendent* of the Maya, I'm always confused when people act like all natives were just passive hippies.
*spelling correction, friggin phone.
Your about as Mayan as a bowl of mayonnaise 😂
We not buying it
*descendent
It's the leftist white savior complex that tries to rewrite history.
Mayans were wild. Imagine if that nation still existed as it did then. People would scream about savagery.
I think what got really confused is how natives Treat their own tribes with respect or how they treat their treaties with respect Natives were excellent tradersIs that kind of grew the peaceful name
Let build friendship instead of dividing our country
Fighting over land and supplies is the oldest struggle known to man, and it is a man made struggle. We all could live peacefully but it is not in our nature.
How do you know that we could? We never have.
There definitely were peaceful tribes until they got fucked over
@@allaboutrap1 we lived peacefully as hunter gatherers, only fighting to protect family/tribe, not fighting over land because the land was not wanted permanently.
@@AnakinSANEhunting-gathering land is precious. They fought over that too.
@@Action2me they were more likely to move on than risk dying, they didn’t have the people to replace the dead like we do today. I suspect they would move on before fighting to the death over a bush.
People fought for land and resources since the dawn of time and will never stop.
I mean the real tragedy is that both sides are wrong in the argument as the sad reality is that filth living conditions of europeans decimated native populations never exposed to such disease. The white men were not mightier than the natives and the native weren’t anymore owners of the land than others. Europeans simply got lucky…
You can however say that europeans were near sadistic in their claims when they ‘won’ and that there quality of life factually was noted to be poorer than how natives were living
Errrmm native Americans didnt claim ownership of land, so they can't have been fighting over lands.
As for resources they had no system of profit so they were not exploiting resources and taking more than they needed, although they may have fought over these resources from time to time.
So yeah it's entirely different to European wars and the colonisation and genocide of the Americans. Saying this is justifying white supremacy and no better than holocaust denial.
When the English inmigrants came from
Europe they were practicing
Christianity in the 10
Commandments it clearly states
Do not Kill
Do not steal
Do not covet your neighbors house
This Land is Native Lands always has been
Just cause you steal something doesn't make it right or yours.
As a Mexican American I think we should all be thankful for this country.
As a naturalized American from Mexico, I am thankfull for a country that fought its way to this point in history. Now, the fight is to reign it back from self-destruction.
Amen, Brother.
As an AMERICAN, I am thankful for this land and the people in it. Our bullshit politics don’t define the people who call this place home 🇺🇸
@@RobertoGallarzo
If Indigenous PEOPLE didn't fight
You wouldn't be here either
-COMANCHE NATION
@@ThyRisky
So when are the lands being returned to Indigenous PEOPLE
-COMANCHE NATION
This "let me watch you while you watch the video and give fake reactions" trend gotta die
Nailed it. Corny.
I'm going to video me typing a comment to your comment about a let me watch you while you watch the video while I comment about the video.
Indeed. This is why i click on "dont recommend channel" which is exactly what im about to do.
why would it die? it made you interact with the video which then helps launch it even more into the algorithm 😂IT WORKED!
Seriously. I'm tired of taking them out of my recommendations.
As a person of "Native Peoples" heritage... this is the truth.
No. It is NOT true you are NOT Native.
@@areitomusicmust have sprouted from the plains then
@@areitomusicyes, it is true. Cry more about it. Reality is harsh.
@@mclovin2155
Yes it's true the natives fought eachother.
But, as a person who spends most of my time aggressively watching history documentaries and video's this in my insight:
The Native Americans dominated the other tribes. If they won a battle, or crushed the other tribe, they wouldn't gengis khan it off the face of the earth, it would remain, and generations later they would return the favor.
The Europeans meanwhile did 2 main things differently:
1. They made official deals and treaties, granting land, or promising peace, and simply broke them not even a generation later. Something the natives never did, they waited a century at least to betray a treaty.
2. They used biological warfare, most of the time, intentionally infecting native warriors, and sending them back, where they would fight, and infect other tribes.
something other native tribes hadn't even dreamed of.
@@randomdams9179 that's a nice fairytale, Squanto. I don't care about the smallpox blankets. They murdered, sacrificed, and r*ped eachother endlessly. To say otherwise is just incorrect. I've done my research. They were savages.
I'm Apache. We have a history of picking fights with the Spanish and Mexicans and also had beef with other tribes. People then don't share a moral compass like we do now. Skin color or culture is irrelevant.
we dont "share a moral compass" now either...
@@danielgriff2659and we never will .
And Europeans picked fights and brutalized other Europeans. So they shouldn't complain about mass immigration into their lands because it's not theirs anymore. It belongs to the world. No more borders.
Apache throw hands on sight
For reals. Power doesn't care what your culture is, it will fall upon whoever wants to seize it.
Colonel Miles is right…. i am sorry, but have to agree… Native always lose their land to immigrants if they are not careful enough.
"If you steal a land, you're a noblemen. If you steal a pig, you're a criminal" -Danish folksong
"Steal an apple and you're a theif. Steal a country and you're a statesman" -Jafar
Not stealing lol. You’re clearly uneducated. You prolly say “why do we even need to learn history why does the past matter”
They came and won. Losers keep malding.
Whites didn't start the conflict among natives, they ended it.
So the tribes who conquered other tribes were statesmen?
*shrugs* ask Jafar
@@liamrmorgans921 the difference is that Native Americans got all rounded up and killed off to the point where there aren't any left. How the fuck is that justified at all? Because they weren't peaceful ,so we can just cause borderline extinction of an entire genetic lineage of humanity from the ENTIRE western hemisphere. How can you compare that to any Indian war? Was EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TRIBE at war? Were they all blood thirsty animals? Fuck no
Yeah tribal warfare maaaan
It is the absolute truth. But not only the truth of the Native Americans. It's the truth of humanity. No matter where one lives they live on land conquered by someone. To take a snapshot of human history and call it evil colonialism and demand it be undone is ridiculous and racist!
So who r d original Europeans? We’re they all conquered too
@@RojaJaneman Yes. Just like the Native Americans, the Europeans were repeatedly conquered by other tribes with different languages, religions and cultures from their own. Also different ethnicity. For instance the UK had the Celts and Brythians; displaced by the Jutes, Angles and Saxons; displaced by the Vikings and Romans; displaced by the Normans. Well.... You get my point. White people are not a single homogeneous group with a common appearance, history, culture, religion and language.
@@greghawkins6154 not d same thing. Those r neighbors. That’s common. They’re pretty much equal and have not diametrically opposite of completely genocidal tendencies towards each other. Colonization was genocidal. They didn’t even believe natives had a soul, so treated them as demons/beasts.
One is a scratch. The other is a plague.
@@RojaJanemanwrong.
Remains have been found of entire tribes that had been killed out of existence. They genocide as well. No matter the skin tone, it is man's urge to spread that fuels these actions. @@RojaJaneman
Same in Australia. Aboriginal tribes massacred each other raping and taking over other tribes land. It was not nirvana
What everyone should take away from this is that if you do not protect what is yours it will not stay yours
We are all fixing to relearn this lesson, harshly, if we don't wake tf up!!
"Woe to the vanquished." -- Brennus, after sacking Rome in 390 BCE
Keep this in mind as your governments betray you in the name of globalist hegemony and imperial maintenance.
I keep telling my grown children to learn to speak mandarin.
Funny how the government can own all the land they want but soon as you don’t pay that property tax… it’s no longer your property.
That's the history of mankind. What we do now is what matters.
Well then history keeps repeating itself
gotta remember history or history just repeats, Your tought as a child not to play with fire, What if you forget that?
COPE COPE COPE
@@GeometricPidgeonwhat gave you the urge to let us know what you are doing?
Well if somebody repeat it in your home don't cry for justice, remember the quote
I like how the white guy does not excuse anyones actions and simply states the fact that this is the way of man.
I love how natives take the victim when it was their own ancestors that decided to not defend their "country" ask any weak ass civilization how long they would last being such cowards.... it was bound to happen with that bs thought process they employed 😂😂
You mean you like how he just sat there and pointed to the ceiling. Lmao you can’t be serious
What white guy?
the white guy talking to the indian in the video... did you watch it? fuck the "reactor "
@@chumcool
It's the way of life really.
I do like how the American officer acknowledges that they are conquering the natives for "no less noble a cause".
@Lobos222 Who cares? Native Americans live far better after the white man conquered them then before.. They were dying of easily preventable diseases constantly trying to weather the winters within a firewood and food.. The white man conquered them and gave them central air conditioning and indoor heating.. gave them capitalism which gives them grocery stores filled with food that they don't have to hunt by themselves.. gives them health care and infrastructure.. electricity and television.. You can pretend that native Americans would have been better off without the white man but you would be lyin
Because we want to sounds pretty noble to me.
The officer is arguing that neither side has a moral leg to stand on.
It's like agreeing to a game of baseball, with all the rules that entails, and then complaining after losing to a superior team.
technically, america is a continent not a country. United States of America is a country though@@SteelDown
@@sonofage tell me this, how many continents are there?
Every step, every human makes, is land once owned by another group of humans. End of story
The idea that the land belongs to humans is what keeps us where we are.
@@JohnnyAppleseed-yl6fo the dominant species on the planet?
LOL. Literally arguing against Freedom of Thought. Of course suppression is your first thought.
The logic that these people use, if followed all the way back to the beginning, would mean that the first human owned the entire planet for all time, and everybody stole everything from that one person
Or maybe just owning as a concept is just socially constructed? Native Americans were not “owning” much of anything before Europeans arrived with the concept and eventually founded a capitalist state
As a Indian… I approve this message… both sides of it
The fact most people don't get this really says a lot about the state of the educational system. Ultimate human lesson being, humans kind of suck
Move on
Tell us you're white and lying without telling us you're white and a liar.
@@beepbop-012it's a video about natives, they obviously mean American indians
Ok 5 dollar.. 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
That about sums it up pretty well!!
Doesn't matter who owns the land - We all end up buried underneath it
That's a good quote.
the sad part is that most of us cant even be buried on our own land.
@@cathyt144legally
😂😂 very True lmaof
Well said
Not just killing, but raping, torturing, and enslaving was common practice as well.
@@titoplasmaapt!
And the English, French, and Germans.
@@callyjoe164 Please, do not forget the Portuguese.
@@franciscojeronimo5881 almost forgot about the Russians, Spanish and Polish too!
@@callyjoe164no he was referring to the natives doing it to each other. Black africans did it to each other as well and sold what was a tiny portion of their population of slaves to white europeans who were leaving Europe for the Americans
Wow holy shit, a comment and replies that acknowledge that historically we are all the same. Almost like Humans are just naturally assholes to each other and will continue to be.
I agree. It doesn’t excuse many of the horrible things that were done to the native people. One groups atrocities does not make another’s right. But my native american ancestors are no more or less correct than my European ancestors.
Nah, turning an entire continent into an Arbies was the greatest sin 💀
@Monkey-ol2qm And yet, my Native American friends, support Arby's by buying their products. Nice try, but we all allowed it to happen, by purchasing these companies products.
Yes it does justify it. The world wasn't civilized back then. It was kill or be killed. If those Indians had the power instead they would have just murdered everyone. Also they aren't native of anything. All "native" Americans are decendants of Asia. Hence the lack of facial hair and straight black hair. And the lack of alcohol tolerance. You can't judge a group of people by their ancestors.
My creator loves all
Your jesus told you to learn and teach in the native language and you didnt. Your sin is not learning or teaching native speach
@@Monkey-ol2qmI agree, however when ever I'm constipated I just like the woodland creatures know good medicine know where to go to remedy my health.
Its a stolen land , and we as muslims will help and support native americans to liberate their country ☪️
It's not theirs anymore lol
Honestly, the only reason the conversation is even brought up today is that unlike most of history, the conquerors did not fully eradicate the conquered.
Yeah the reason we talk about it now is because the conquerors were moral enough for the first time in history not to wholly genocide the conquered.
Much like the Native American tribes did to eachother (killing off all the men even the elderly and only taking in the women and female children to use as breeders)
Actually a brilliantly resonant point.
True. If there were no natives people wouldn't be talking about them
This. Anglos were actually relatively humane lol. Name another group that massacred their own brothers to free slaves.
@@HSE331germanic tribes were far worse than native tribes . Atleast the Pagan Gods of the natives didn't order for constant fighting in order to obtain Valhalla. The franks are no different in brutality.
“This is your story of my people!”
“No. It’s THE story of ALL people.”
Wrong
Exactly. Every continent and country was broken up and made war with one another since the dawn of time. Though the natives fought each other, we did come in and take their shit for sure. We had the knowledge, man power, and gun power to do it. It wasn't right. But it's what happens when 2 civilizations like this meet.
@@RaidersX95troll
Check out the first 45 minutes of Kubrick's "2001".
@@Macgyxer nope
The peace loving narrative put on native Americans just ignores that these dudes were at times proud warriors who fought tooth and nail to defend their lands but failed. They should be respected as symbols of defiance and bravery. Not cried over as if they were helpless victims.
That's an amazing point of view, one that I cannot disagree with. Many warriors died trying to protect their people and their land, fighting bravely to the last man. We love to talk about the Spartan 300 who died bravely defending their country from the persians, why aren't we doing the same for Native American warriors?
The Cherokee and Yamasee/Seminole peoples of the GA/SC/NC regions were some of the fiercest warriors encountered in the New World. So much so that several towns were established further in-land exclusively as outposts to warn of raiding parties headed to the coastal cities. You do not get immortalized for your ferocity and warrior status by living peaceful lives.
More natives died of disease from colonizers and the introduction of alcohol then "fighting for their land"
Look at them now tweaker gallore
@@aegis3039 Chickasaw Man here, my tribe takes pride in showing our warrior pride as many statues of fallen warriors are placed around the land. Known to be the Spartans of the Mississippi.
Trying to make one war crime justify another. A common strategy for colonizers to justify their theft and murder.
@@jayleeper1512 Exactly💯
@@jayleeper1512 The history of colonization is the history of the advancement of the human species. Writing was only invented in 3 separate cultures. The reason we all have writing today is because of colonization. The Egyptians conquered the Levant and Middle East. The Middle East conquered Greece. Greece gave writing to the Romans. In 52 ad the Romans colonized England and that is why we know almost 2,000 years of English history. The same thing was happening in China and India. Without writing, there is no modern science or medicine. Without them, we all have 28 year lifespans and terrible violent deaths.
@@karincrane3220 Since a major portion of those killed in Gaza are under the age of 18, I think we are worse off than we were before. With the destruction of the very life support system that the earth provides we actually seem to be on a dead end street, not advancing at all. There is nothing positive about colonialism, just destruction and barbarism.
All land is stolen if you look back far enough. At some point someone conquered someone else and took it. We still fight for land now.
LOL what are you talking about? Plenty of land was unoccupied and people found it and created a homestead. Lol "all land".
@@skillfuldabestname a single country that has land that was never conquered
@@skillfuldabestYou brain peanut
@@dontworryaboutit-go3di
Who’s conquering Maui Putin?
@@comradebiden😂😂
Yes, absolutely. As with most other land, it was stolen, re-stolen, stolen again, stolen, stolen and stolen once more.
Just imagine when Europeans were always fighting amongst themselves, and then china came and took over Europe. Would Europeans have a claim that the Chinese stole their land or would the Chinese have every right to conquer the land because after all, Europeans were always warring and never lived in peace?
but no one who is on the stealing side justify their act as if they didnt sin and demand other not to do the same thing that they did except the USA
@@asamulia Bullshit. The USA keeps almost every other country on the planet safe from invasion. We're spending BILLIONS in Ukraine to keep them from Russia. We did it in WWII, again in Korea, Kuwait and dozens of other countries. You're historically ignorant.
@@asamulia The USA is largley a force for good in the world.
Its kept the peace all over the world since ww2.... mostly AND stopped the spread of communism that would have enslaved all of humanity.
Its crazy to judge people on their ancestors. I dont accuse you of scalping.
Something you would still be doing if the europeans had not arrived.
Upsides... Downsides.
Besides how can you claim anyone stole your land when your people had no concept of land ownership?
Who would you lodge a complaint to?
@@sammymcfone8281 There is a difference between fighting and genocide.
This is true about EVERY group of people on earth.
Since the garden
@@johnotero6761garden? What garden?
Exactly!
It is it’s just whites were smarter than the other races and strategically planned our battles and invasions! That’s why we conquered and claimed America and took all of Europe and slaves in Africa. All the natives we’re already killing each other before whites came along. They just needed someone to take control and bring order to them peacefully or not.
@@eddiethatvoguy7901I think hes talking about the garden în the bible
The main reason for the fall of the Aztecs to 50 to 100 Spanish, was the Aztecs committed genocide against the other tribes and sacrificed or ate the survivors. Those tribes willingly supported the Spanish, whom they did not know well, over the Aztecs, whom they knew very, very, very well.
I once made this exact argument to a friend. His only defense was that it is less evil for people of the same race to rape and conquer each other than it is for an outsider to do the same. What a wild way to look at life.
Where is the proof?? You want proof the white man committed genocide?? I got plenty. Where is yours?
Apparently the white man is the villain for being further down the tech tree than the natives
Yeah that’s a very weak argument but theres truth to it. For the sake of the greater picture it completely makes sense. When it’s two tribes of the same race battling each other the winner will still be of the same race. Now when another race comes into the picture, it’s becomes a greater conquest - as now my whole race is in danger. And now look, there’s barely any native Americans compared to whites in the United States.
I see the point being made but the majority of native tribes were peaceful. So why is everyone on this comment section acting like it was the other way around? No one is debating that a handful of tribes weren’t peaceful but that doesn’t give the right to genocide a race and take their lands. What a bizarre way of thinking.
@@TheMr69roadrunner lol didn’t even bother to read my comment before grouping me along with these 2 idiots😂
This is why I’ve never felt guilty as an American citizen. Every country and piece of land, ever, has been conquered and colonized..
Does not make you or anybody right
@@carolyncoolidge8116 get over it. 😄
@@BoofyBoyo I had until you brought it up again 🤣
@@BoofyBoyowhite peoples 😂
@carolyncoolidge8116 but you feel bad about the gaza strip right? When you should feel bad about the American citizens who were slaughtered in the thousands when theh migrated west.
Without that guy staring at me and pointing up, I don’t think I could figure out what’s going on.
😂
Honestly, i dont need to look at his eyebrows 😅
Same here. I kept wanting to look at my floor.
Lmao
I looked to my left and then to my right. I have no idea what he was pointing at
Some American Indian tribes were the most brutal groups of people in recorded history. Yes even before Europeans showed up. Imagine groups of Mexican cartels all over the continent.
As an American who has Yaqui and Mohawk bloodlines, this is absolutely true. The only difference was that the natives didn’t destroy and kill everything in sight. They used the land and kept it producing, to not run out.
The Aztecs: 😳🌳🔥
And they were native to country a big difference from foreigners coming from another country to conquer this country.
And very soon, Shana and Russia will conquer us and the antichrist shall rise, and conquer the world
Uhm no they had a unit just like we have today that destroys rapes and does whatever.
Still happening today and the 99% not involved suffer.
Look at Isreal and Pelastine.
Isreal was legit torturing people, kidnapping kids and horrible things.
But just a unit. Now you can take Hamas and apply the same.
Who suffer the least? The soldiers. Lmao.
Twisted
Aren't the jews just trying to kill Palestine? Let them. You all believe in genocide.
Almost all of the legendary 'Native' American leaders were known as great warriors for a reason.
Because you didn't survive long enough to be remembered if you weren't
ha not so great. Worm food
Whether they fought each other or not it doesn't matter cos it was their land and they had the right to do whatever they wanted. White men then came and exploited them and that's facts
Many scalps collected.
Cant be that great if a british colony was able to colonize it.
Coming from someone who’s part Native American, no one was innocent.
I am part Mohawk and Wampanoag. Mostly white. NOBODY is without blame.
@@tonyhammer3588- Wish I was part Mohawk...just sounds cool. My kin marched around kicking each other in the 4SS. but their uniforms were FIRE!
@@tonyhammer3588you’re a none-native then
5 dollar indians
Not every Native American is the same, there were hundreds of tribes with different cultures, languages, and viewpoints. Some were more aggressive and fought a lot but there were many that were peaceful and friendly towards others. You can’t put them all in one group the same way that not every person in Europe is English.
History is written by the victorious, this video is just another example.
As a native American this is truth and its ashame we can't Accept it
I can see how it is hard to accept. I watch a lot of bitter people teach their children and grandbabies hatred and entitlement, rather than teach them to succeed..
The land *is* legally stolen tho.
@davidg2143 Tready of Fort Laramie (1868)
United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians (1980)
Legally. Stolen. It was legally, owned via the tready.
Do some reading.
@@chadnoneya4164Treaty of Canandaigua, 1794...
@@kiltedsasquatch3693 what does a tready about the Haudenosaunee Confederacy have to do with the black hills?
Do you think all native nations are the same? Do you think new rulings in the Supreme Court mean nothing?
@@kiltedsasquatch3693 what does a tready about the Haudenosaunee Confederacy have to do with the black hills?
Do you think all native nations are the same? Do you think new rulings in the Supreme Court mean nothing?
My great great grandmother who was full blooded native said the government should've finished the job. That woman had zero chill 😂
Damn.
Inbred?
Cap
I live in North GA on the Trail of Tears and have a great+ grandmother who was full blood cherokee indian. My papaw told me she married a white man intentionally to lighten up her bloodlines skin color 😂 she had like 11 kids lol i am pretty white but have very dark hair and beard. Dark brown eyes, and I have a temper like no other
lol she might not like me but i like her
Great scene. As a history teacher I always have to explain to my students that it wasn't like the natives were having a giant peace festival and we ruined it. The history of humanity could be summed up as one group came in and pushed out another. Is it great, no... But let's not pretend America is uniquely evil.
You shouldn’t be a history teacher. This is like saying “oh black slaves are not always beaten, they could form relationship with their master as well.”
What’s wrong is wrong. Unless ur teaching a high level course in uni about aboriginal history, then you are just indoctrinating kids
Makes one wonder if this is the real reason the white founding fathers of our constitution made it so in the 2nd amendment to carry a musket around, not for fear of Tyranny of their own race coming back to take the stolen land but out of fear of the natives ?
i dont know how it is in america but in australia if your native you get free dental care. house owning boost
You definitely should not be a history teacher.
Keep teaching real history, PLEASE
I grew up and live in Bay Area, California. I have been in the USA for generations - Irish American 97% tested bloodline - 23andMe.
I work construction in the residential field. Some of the guys I work with are Mexican and some do not have “legal citizenship.” A few years back back, we went to visit the rest of my family who live in Philadelphia, PA, and they are all very political, even involved in politics on the county level. They asked me if they were OK with the fact I worked with “illegal immigrants” and followed up with all these other racist, BS questions….
My answer, we are of Irish heritage…we showed up on the USA doormat sick, diseased and dying. Only difference I see between the guys trying to cross the border now and what our ancestors did, the door was open before…I don’t see any difference between what our family did generations ago or what they’re trying to do now - everyone just wants what’s best for their families.
You don't see any difference? I suggest you look again.
I loved how this movie painted both sides as heroes and villains.
Because that exactly how it was and exactly how it still is in both side they thought what they where doing was right but we where both equally wrong
@@coolniss5430 the settlers were poor immigrants looking for a better life encroaching on and stealing land. The natives were violent xenophobes protecting their homes and culture.
Y’all guilt wants things to seem justified so much 🎡
@@UbuntuJ49 I don't have any guilt about it because I had didn't do it.
@@daniellewis2133 your father's sins are not yours. But you do benefit from them.
"You stole my land"
"Skill issue"
Turkey and Greece in a nutshell
😂
they had homefield advatange and still lost 😭
Git gud
@@MissCleo24 womp womp
if there's one thing I've learned about human history is that none of us are innocent
Indigenous Nations worked together to make the country that Europeans in America live on today.
But Caucasians burnt it down and put the actual Citizens on Reservations and Boarding Schools.
-COMANCHE NATION
EXACTLY
The fact that we are alive today is a testament to the brutality of our ancestors.
Best said!!!!
And who's history do you speak of?
As Winston Churchill once said. History is...written by the Victor's.
A.k.a- history is written by the living.
So are you talking about the history that was told, by the good guy who won. Who claimed the actual truth.
Or....
You talking about the bad guy who won. Who rewrote history in his image, claiming he was the good guy. So blindly believe what he says about what happened...
Yeah our history, is a complete lie. An indoctrination, written by the elites to keep us peasant of life, clueless to our real history.
*History
*His- story
*His- bias-onesided- story
They even mock you with the name itself...😂
I think it’s awesome that all the ancient historical recordings are coming to light now, I’m even more impressed that they converted them to colour. Modern technology is brilliant and allows us to see these meetings from the past in full colour and not in black and when they were recorded. I recently watched a really long story with Napoleon in it, it was also remastered into colour and the quality was fantastic. The battles were very well recorded. I really hope they find even older recordings.
As a Native American who also has immigrant grandparents, this is such a confusing topic. I'm proud of my heritage from both sides and I'm proud to be an AMERICAN. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world. History is meant to teach us, not tear us apart.
You can only learn from history IF what you are being taught is the TRUTH, not some manipulated version, conjured up to suit a particular narrative ...
@@abramororeuel3854you’re being dumb, she’s talking about pride in herself & her heritage.
I have a similar story. Family has been in America since 1600’s, & Puerto Rico since the 1500’s. Fought in every war in bothplaces. I have Custer ancestors (not sure if we’re that Custer’s relative) & Clark, Lawyer Jose Burgos who petitioned the Spanish court to allow marriage of Natives & Spaniards, African ancestors who got to PR the hard way, & am 12% Native Taíno. The Taíno as a race/culture are gone & only exist in people like me. All that said I wouldn’t exist now if it wasn’t for all of that, neither would the ethnic mutts that are the rest of my family. I don’t like what happened, but I’m happy to be here, & am proud to be here & apart of the American story.
I am also Native American with European roots (as well as Jewish) and I love all my cultures and no matter how much I hate the American government, I am an American
Everybody loves native Americans, What you're not understanding is that the white man lived almost identically 1000s years prior and that a Paleolithic society cannot survive next to 15-20th century Europeans decendants society.
It’s not that we conquered them. It’s how we treated them after we did. We treated them as less than people went back on treaties and pushed them to the edge of existence.
We did something that was rarely done throughout history…Europeans didn’t exterminate them completely. If there were no Native Americans left, no one would question who owns this land.
@@xnetpcYou mean you tried but failed 😅
@@xnetpcwe failed but we wiped them out mostly
@@xnetpc bruh?! You think Europeans were good because they did not "exterminate" (something that's historically Extremely rare) the conquered tribes but used them as slaves
@@MrATW0the only failure was not wiping them from the face of the planet
All land is borrowed and the land will remain after people are gone.
Not if we turn it all into cheeto-dust first. We have our mission, let's make it reality!
100 % factual. The conquering tribes would celebrate by cooking & eating the heads of the conquered young.
They also made the horse extinct in the America's by eating them.
What, you didn't learn this in school or from watching that farce of a movie "Dancing with Wolves"?
I love how they focus on America, but literally every single country on earth has been invaded by somebody. All land has stolen land.😂😂
Because no other countries entertain this crap. Wht liberals are the only ppl pushing this BS, and really, no one cares anymore.
Not all but most.
@@NestaSimbaSautionly ones who didn't are those pacific islands where they had the nuke tests. Literally. All of Africa, all of Asia, all of Europe. All of North America. All of south America. All of central America. Even Australia
Bottom line: All of human civilization, ended when we stopped sharing what earth gave us and started making up borders and walls.
💯 we're savages.
We here in America know the history of the tribal nations of our country, since it was passed down among them and often shared. Some battles between tribes are legendary and points of pride. No, the people of the tribal nations were not pacifistic hippies, they were just trying to survive, and that meant eliminating any threats to their survival. You do what you've got to do.
There were more buffalo to eat than every Comanche, Sioux, or any other plains Indian could eat, so why did they attack and slaughter entire villages of each others tribes before a single white man ever come onto the continent?
Yeah, and that's America did to you natives. Kill you, conquer your lands, until you're not a threat anymore.
Since every tribe can wield weapons
Does that involve cutting the scalp from still living people? What about enslaving their women and children to include rape? Many cruel and sadistic things were done by people in the past, especially natives.
@@alphabrodienBut the worst in history has been done by YOUR people. As you did all that you've said and more. You enslaved God's chosen people and literally ate them. Your people feasted on our flesh like monsters.
So for all the wickedness your Fathers have put forth....So must be done to you.
God says He that put shackles on a Man, must also enslaved. Eye for an eye.
So don't worry, your peoples day of being conquered by Africans.....Is coming.
@@alphabrodien no one denies this.however they lived on the conquerors principle where "the winner" received the "spoils of war". It's not perfect, heck it's vile, but so are the rest of us as humans. At least with the natives their wars didn't make them view their enemies of less than human. The whiteman looked at anything different amd said "break it"