It’s not Jamie’s fault that he beat up the wrong guy, but you can’t blame Brianna for being mad. She went a few hundred years to the past (just to warn her parents of the fire), was raped, got pregnant without knowing the father (and without planning, pregnancy is already pretty hard even when you prepared yourself for it) and then later was slut shamed and accused of lying about being raped by her own father. Honestly, “go to hell” is pretty tame considering all that she’s been through.
Eh Jamie is really a very old fashioned man and even if Claire changed him in a wiser person he is always born in the XVIII. I m very happy that Jamie knows his foult and try to fix the things with Brianna and I think she is very wise like his mother because she accepted Jamie’s excuse and his attitude
I truly understand the course of actions however Brianna's actions were expected not justified. She hid the truth(which is definitely unimaginably painful for her) which led to the misunderstanding. And her father suddenly finding out, how was He supposed to react. It is not as if he hadn't seen other women victimize themselves in that era. How do you justify Brianna defending other man over her father and slapping him?
I'm not mad at Jamie for beating up Roger, he wouldn't have done it if he knew the truth. I'm upset at him for not letting Bree finish and assume that she claimed to be raped because she found herself pregnant. And to everyone saying Bree has gone too far, she's assaulted, pregnant and thought the man she loved had left her but instead stayed to find her and had gotten hurt. Her relationship with Jamie is still very new here and just as she's getting to know him , he does this. Her anger is pretty valid.
Typical Jamie we have here. He is one who assumes and put words out without getting the whole picture as he did when he met Jenny again in s1 and assumed the child with her is Randall’s and raged at her without even listening or hearing from Jenny who’s kid is it🤦🏻♀️ Jamie is stubborn and Bree got the trait from him as well, unfortunately 😅
no it isn't. She went through alottt but that doesn't give you the right to take it out on ppl. Let alone HIT your parent for having your best interest at heart. If anybody her anger should be directed at lizzy.
I kinda understand Jamies perspective too. His daughter was handfast to someone from her own time (basically married) and told no one? It being her secret husband would not have been my first conclusion either
This whole bonnet arc was done so beautifully. They really played on the fact that Roger and Bri did not know the characters as the audience did and used what we knew to create marvellous drama and tension
All I'm going to say: Lizie should have tell what she saw to Jamie and CLAIRE. Or Jamie should have tell to Claire what Lizie said. All this happened because bad communication. End.
Poor Jamie, He couldn’t do right for doing wrong, all because Lizzie was mistaken in the first place, Huge mistake all round, and the poor Beggar Roger is now a guest of the ‘Mohawk’ good plot line though!
So it's all Lizzie's fault now? Brienne didn't tell anyone anything untill she became pregnent that's why don't keep a huge amount of secret like this from your loved one's.
Sigh, I don't know whose side I should choose. It's impossible. Right from the start, I haven't been a big fan of Brianna, as I often don't agree with her hot-tempered, childish reactions, but in this case, it's only natural to act completely irrational. On the other side, Jamie couldn't have known he was beating the wrong man. Bonnet certainly would deserve that (although I LOVE his acting...seriously, why do I always have to have a liking for psychopaths?) And Ian? He's such a cute man! A huge, huge misunderstanding. Oh, Lizzie...
Because psycopath characters are lesd bland , actors usually have more fun playing them too. And if you want a series full of psychos and sociopaths that are actually very likeable, i recomment black sails if you have not seen it.
This was one of the few scenes where I couldn't be on Jamie's side. He really messed things up, specially by being tempered and not listening to what Briana was saying. I'm glad they eventually get to be on good terms again.
@@alejandraramirez9530 No way, he couldn't know it was Roger but Bree hit him because of what he just said to her! And I think he absolutely deserved that!!! If I was Bree I would be glad about growing up with Frank and not Jamie!
@@cameo86 He absolutely cud have known it was Roger. He shud have talked to Bree and not taken any action behind her back. He hated being deprived of the opportunity of seeing Randall breathe his last by an accident and he made a choice to deprive Brianna of the opportunity for whateva wud give her peace. She's the aggrieved party, he had no right to take that decision from her. And if he'd done the bare minimum of respecting her will (which had already been disrespected unimaginably) he wudnt b in this mess.
Nothing could be worst than being Roger in 18th century😅 feel bad for him throughout the series. Sometimes I wonder what possibly could happen to Frank if he ever go throu the stone as well.
This scene was so raw and phenomenal. The acting was so great! But honestly no side can be taken, it was just honest miscommunication on all parts. Brianna never communicated well with Lizzy, so she misinterpreted and got the info wrong to Ian and Jamie. And then Jamie got the info wrong when he thought she was defending her rapist and said what he said.
@@buxadonoff Brianna never told Lizzie who raped her, she didn't want to talk about it. Lizzie just assumed it was Roger because she saw them fighting outside the bar. Also, Lizzie never saw Stephen Bonnet, the one who really attacked her. I suggest to watch the episode again.
@@dailycarolina. brianna saw that lizzie watched her and Roger getting out of the bar, later when she returned lizzie asked if the man she went out with was the one who hurt her and she confirmed. She was probably ashamed that she was raped after having sex with Roger. Not saying it was her fault for getting raped, it obviously wasn't, but she could have explained things better. Lizzie thought Roger was the one who hurt brianna and told Jaime the guy was at his house, what was Jaime supposed to do?
@@buxadonoff I need to rewatch but maybe the two just misunderstood each other. Maybe Brianna felt hurt because of the fight and confirmed because of that.
Brianna does not have to take his thoughts and feelings into account at all. She was the one that was raped. It being a different time means nothing or her nor should it. He made a decision without consulting her about what to do with the person that assaulted her. She doesn’t know him as her father and if she chooses not to tell him about who raped her that’s her decision. He is not entitled to that information if she doesn’t want to give it.
He was mislead by Brianna's maid, who thought Roger was the one who did it. I would have done the same thing Jamie did, if not worse. Bree shouldn't have said that to Jamie and period.
I Agree with you Gustavo, but it is the story line that is misleading, Like I said in my Comment, Huge Mistake! Lizzie only related what she witnessed, maybe Diana intended rattling a few cages, it certainly worked! don’t you think 🤔
But you also have to take into account jamies own experience with rape. He knows what a horrendous thing rape is and how much you suffer from it. The man nearly killed himself because of it. So imagen finding out that your daughter who you havent been able to see and protect finally finds you only to be raped. To have done to her the very thing that he wouldnt wish on his worst enemy, happen to her. I would be pretty fucking mad too. And why is no one blaming lizzie. She was the one who was miss informed and told people without Bree's concent.
I just realized, I would’ve react EXACTLY the same as Bree to Jamie. I would have screamed to my dad as say “WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??!! ITS NOT HIM!!!.” Lizzie informing him wrongly or not. I experienced what Bree had gone through or not. I WOULD react EXACTLY like her towards my dad who beat the hell out of the wrong man, precisely to the love of my life, and go hysterical knowing he sold him to damn Mohawks! Think about it when we were younger and our parents did as wrong. Good intentions or not I would’ve gotten really mad at them and say words that are more than I meant to say. And I may have a temper or not, again, I would’ve been exactly like Bree at this scene. Of course getting mad at our parents doesn’t last long and I would’ve cooled my head off the next day like a normal kid.
"NO! You do NOT get to be more angry than me!" She is so much like Jaime. Reminds me of the argument he had with Claire in France about Claire wanting Jamie to spare Black Jack Randall's life despite what he did to him.
It was Lizzie’s fault for giving the wrong information and also it was Brianna and Claire’s fault for keeping it secret. Poor Jamie it’s not Jamie’s fault.
Well Jamie didn't get the opportunity to start a relationship til later at no fault of his own. I like the fact she has two father figures they both added something unique to her life. And they aren't alike so what they gave her was very different, still prefer Jamie and Bree though solely because that's how it should have been had she had not had to go through the stones. Plus I didn't really like Frank I think because of black jack. 😅
Brianna se pasó, Jaime no podía adivinar, Lizzy le aseguro que el Violo a su hija!!!. Brianna debió haber sido sido sincera con sus Padres y contarles todo. Esa bofetada a Jaime estuvo de más!.
Every time I hear "how good Frank was" and "what a wonderful father" it makes me gag. I found him repulsive (and not at all because he looked like Jack Randall).
@@zbotello1439 because he entered into an agreement with Claire, at a time when she was completely vulnerable (pregnant, grieving, upset by a powerful experience like time-travelling) and forced her to go back to the "perfect marriage" and act as if she still loved him. She didn't love him anymore and she was very upfront about it. I completely understand the pain of having his marriage ruined by a "3rd party", but if your wife tells you straight up that she is in love with somebody else, why are you even staying with her? I can even understand marriages based on convenience and friendship. But forcing her to act as if she was happy and satisfied and she didn'teven remember those 2 or 3 years "away"? What kind of perverse satisfaction can you earn from an "act"? Did he really think she was going to fall back in love with him, just because she was forced to act as if she was, and forbidden to even mention or think about the other one? That's another level of effed-up. Not to mention the way he always tried to be "the favourite" in Brianna's heart, spoiling her, trying to get her away from her mother, in a perverse attempt to get back to her biological parents. Ew...
@@bea3ce687 I hadn’t seen it from this perspective but it makes sense what you say. Claire and Frank’s marriage ended the moment she traveled through the stones.
@@zbotello1439 I mean, in a way I am sorry for him too. He was a twisted control-freak, but by stubbornly pursuing this fake marriage he basically threw away his life and any chance of happiness *for himself*. He realized it too late. I know he is fictional, but I have seen too many people do the same exact thing irl. Usually it's women, though... It also irritates me that Claire got blamed more than once for the "sham of a marriage", both from him and from his lover. She offered divorce, twice. Once when she came back, and once when she met the other woman. What else was she supposed to do? You can't change your feelings, you can only act as honorably and honestly as you can based on them.
On the other hand, in this scene I am angry at Claire, because he didn't tell anything about Bonnet to Jamie and she didn't argue with Bri, when she talked to Jamie , her father, like that "go to hell". Where are her manors?? But, Jamie was a stranger to her since yesterday. I think poor Jamie is the victim here for getting the wrong information.
he was brutal to her, saying horrible things. he is not innocent in this, he refused to listen, though she was lying about being violated and called her a whore. he only stoped when she slapped some sense into him, something that jamie needs quite often especially in the books.
@@fbeaz well, I don't agree.. I have not read the books though.. But, in the show I am on the side of Jamie in this scene. Besides, he is from another century. We can't forget that. He have another moral code, another opinion for rape. I rewatced all seasons and I see things and understand scenes and characters from a different scope.
@@alejandraramirez9530 Totally agree with you too and especially her father..whoever he is , whatever he did, he is her father. You don't slap your father or tell him go to hell. You can yell at him, be angry, you can cry or push him , but no slap him.. she doesn't have respect of him. And Claire is just standing there... but after, Claire says Jamie that she she didn't mean it. I think that she is exactly like Jamie.. the director is trying to show this. I have seen 6 times all seasons!! LOL
Well whether it was intensional or not doesn't really matter right now. From Brianna's percpective Jamie basicly sentenced the love of her life to die for all she knows. Misunderstandings aside I think in this situation she has the right to be a l i t t l e pissed about all of this. Brianna has the most stubborn and hot headed parents on the Earth she didn't have a choice but to be born with a temper.
Why blame him when Brianna and Claire kept the information hidden.? Of all times to keep silent Claire chooses this. I think Brianna is incredibly rude and Claire is selfish in her need to keep silent. Poor decisions all around. The show also failed to properly show Brianna forgiving Jamie and how he was present during her delivery....once more unfair treatment of Jamie's character.
Well he did make some pretty foul claims about his daughter, assuming she only claimed to be raped when finding out she was pregnant. He should of listened, that would hurt dreadfully from anyone, especially a father you’re just getting to know.
I see comments saying "Jaime doubted that Brianna was rapped and insult her". Friends, I invite you to see that scene again and analyze it better. Brianna was mad at herself because she didn't resist enough, because she didn't fight enough, she thought being raped was her fault. Jaime says hurtful things to provoke her to attack him and so he shows her that it is not her fault that she was raped, that there was nothing she could do, that the person who raped her was a stronger beast than her.
It was Claire's and Brianna's fault in the first place. 🙄They didn't tell Jamie the truth and they had all the chance to do so. Of course as a father he would react like that. God, Brianna was so annoying in these parts of the books. So selfish!
@Jei HE HAS NO RIGHT FOR THAT INFORMATION IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM THIS INFORMATION! And no, they are not responsible for actions he took without consulting with them first. Yes, this was a different time but he knew both women were raised dirrent than him and he knew Claire well enough to have a clue how both women would think of him actiong on his onw!
everything would have been avoided if Roger had introduced himself before asking about the place. That's why good manners are important. Hahaha just kidding. without that we wouldn't have had a season.
yo amo outlander y no he leido los libros pero en la serie odié como se integró Brianna y Roger a este increíble mundo... Roger como personaje me parece pésimo y siento que no aporta nada además de sus conocimientos en historia, sus escenas me aburren, estuvo dos temporadas cagándola y siendo rescatado ajsdajs Brianna por si sola es fantástica y me hubiera gustado ver más de su relación con Jamie pero se centraron tanto en la pareja de Roger y Brianna (también siento que tienen 0 química) me quedaron debiendo la relación de padre e hija :(
Finally a comment i was looking for.....but i guess in western society there seems to be an acceptability for such a behaviour but not in Indian society....
Yeah, slapping him was far too far, I would think it's 20th European century manner too cos in this timeline even in Europe slapping your parent is a punishable offense
Ah... Jamie made a mistake, but I still feel bad for him. Haha... the look of pride on Claire's face when Brianne said, "No, you do not get to be more angry than me."
So many different conflicting thoughts about this scene. Obviously a lot of unfortunate miscommunication but Jamie did not deserve any of this. I understand Brianna is furious but will not tolerate these actions. People are saying Brianna is just like Jamie in this scene but I couldn’t disagree more. Jamie has a temper as well but in no world would go around smacking his family member’s in the face out of anger. (Obviously there was the spanking with Claire but this feels like a completely different situation) I was upset until she smacked ian and that’s what sent me lol.
He made assumptions and insulted Jenny the same way when he came home to Lallybroch and thought she was carrying Jack Randall's child. Jumping to conclusions runs in the family.
Complete side note: I hate what they did with the wedding ring. Whenever I see the ring in rewatches now, it's not romantic anymore, all I can think of is 'ah yes, that's the ring their daughter will get assaulted for'. One of the more stupid changes they made to the books..
i can’t stand all these comments defending Jamie as if he’s some oh so mighty figure. Brianna is the victim here. get a grip you bunch of middle aged women 🥴🥴🥴
Jamie was mislead by Brianna's maid... and she didn't explained things well until that moment. Claire even helped hiding from Jamie the fact that Bonnet was the aggressor. If someone told me that the man who did that thing to my daughter was at my very door, I would have done the same thing Jamie did (every man, from prehistoric times 'till today would).
K well are u forgetting that jamie himself was also raped? He knows better than anyone what its like and he was trying to avenge the pain and suffering that his daughter was put through. If that happened to me i would 100% expect my dad to have the same reaction. And jamies was amplified by his own experience
They are a mix of jaimie thirsty simps and some guys who apparently have the same 18 century mentality as jaimie. to expect proper reasoning and logic from that people is to expect too much
I don't think some of you got the real reason why she slapped him. It wasn't because what happent with Roger, or at least not intirely. Because you are right. That wasn't only Jamie's fault, it was one hell of a misunderstanding, where everybody participated. True, his action were hasty and impulsive and he should've consulted his decision with Brianna and Claire before acting on his own. Brianna is also right to be mad at him for this, who would not be, and if the slapp was only for this I would judge her too. But... the slapp was for what he said afterwards. And in this I'm entirely on her side. Sorry, but no father should say something like this to his daughter, no matter the time or place. As for someone who knows what it is like, being used like that, Jamie went way out of his line. Even if he didn't have all the information nothing gives him the right to speak like this to someone, let alone to his own daughter. He messed up, big time. What he said was horrible and you really can't blame Brianna for lashing out.
Brianna shouldn't slap Jamie ,he is your father and it is never allowed to do so,she is Mature girl Of 20 still acting a baby like he knew about roger n beat him intentionally due to the maid words, Brianna is really rude Oh I just wish if the author make it Back of Claire when Brianna was a little Maybe of 9 or 10, One thing I find off if just suppose if it were me I would at least go back after 4 or 4 years to see if he is still alive but Claire never did , if she did it then Brianna would be with Jamie and Claire at least, well its my opinion
He sentenced a man to a life sentence/death, without the consent of the victim, and then accused the victim of lying. In my book she had a very appropriate reaction
I would've Loved to have had a Father protect me the way Jamie did for his daughter. We see the scene from our own experience. To me she was an ungrateful brat.
@jinan But he has not the right to! In his time the honour of the family was worth more. But it was Brianna who was hurt and raped! It's her right to be most angry because of what has been done to her. This shows so much the different times they belong to.
I so hate Brianna for this and it makes me every time so angry that Claire and Jamie just act as If it was Jamie's fault. 😠😡😠😡And I hate The Frank-card as I nevet liked him. 🙈 But in good drama there must be also bad things...❤️
Bit unfair with Frank there. He was in an impossible situation. He tried to salvage his marriage and failed but didn't leave for the sake his daughter. While you could argue that both Frank and Claire were terrible spouses, he was nonetheless a great father. He has his faults but he is still a good person.
When Claire told Brianna the truth about her real father, Brianna SAID VERY BAD THINGS TO CLAIRE, hurtful and harsh words, like "I wish you had died and not my father." So she has no right to be so mad at Jamie for what he told her. I don't defend Jamie, but he was wrong and he's not perfect, Brianna said equally worse things to Claire. In this situation no one is to blame, it was a horrible misunderstanding, it wasn't even Lizzie's fault because from the beginning Brianna never told her who Roger was. It is normal for Lizzie to think that Roger was the rapist due to his violent attitude
this scene i hate. The development of the relationship between Brianna and Jamie was not built well into the series. She sometimes looks forced. We expect an evolution between father and daughter in season six 🙏🏻
Eu acho demais Briana dar um tapa na cara de Jamie e de Ian, muita arrogância dar uma tapa na cara do próprio pai que acabou de conhecer. Ela que escondeu a verdade, que culpa eles tem? Ela não convence muito com filha de Claire e Jamie, não tem química com eles.
I can't see anything wrong with the actress. It's like everytime the writers need something to go wrong they drag out Brianna and find something awful to happen to/about her. In the first season, it might have been Claire, walking into the path of a wild boar or into the hands of the Card-Carrying Villain. Now she and Jamie know each other a bit too well to create a lot of drama --> enter Brianna.
This scene isn’t supposed to be funny at all but I’m sorry the way Jamie and Ian are so sheepish after Bri slaps them to the moon and back has me in a chokehold
I really don't understand her reaction. It was mistake, Jaime tought that Roger was the man who rapted her. Her daughter, damn it... He acted like the majority of fathers would.
The only scene I hate in all series . Jamie didn't do anything wrong if I were at his place I would have done the same. Writer must be irrational feminist
Me molesta mucho esa escena porque toda esa situación fue culpa de Brianna, si ella hubiera hablado desde el principio todo esto se habría evitado. Yo, al igual que Jaime, habría a agarrado a golpes al que tocó a mi hija, así que su reacción es totalmente real, pero esa niña berrinchuda se quedó callada
He didn't doubt that she was raped, are there really people who didn't understand the scene at all? She was blaming herself about being raped because she said she didnt fight back and allowed it. and Jaime made her see by provoking her that she could not do anything and it was not her fault
You can see in Brianna's temper that she is so much like Jamie.
What? Brianna and Roger are the only thing that doesn't work in the serie
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Yeah, I don't really like them together, since the beginning in the modern world. I wished she married John. 😔
You took the words straight from my mouth
@@shizukagozen777 yeah, me as well
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About John ?? 😀
Murtag left the room quickly. He know whats is coming
Yeah he didn’t want to get caught in the crosshairs 😂
@@danielbuckley4034 haha true
Hhh
Aight imma head out
I didn't even notice. He is so discreet lol. Perfect wing man.
It’s not Jamie’s fault that he beat up the wrong guy, but you can’t blame Brianna for being mad. She went a few hundred years to the past (just to warn her parents of the fire), was raped, got pregnant without knowing the father (and without planning, pregnancy is already pretty hard even when you prepared yourself for it) and then later was slut shamed and accused of lying about being raped by her own father. Honestly, “go to hell” is pretty tame considering all that she’s been through.
always with children hahah
Absolutely right
Eh Jamie is really a very old fashioned man and even if Claire changed him in a wiser person he is always born in the XVIII. I m very happy that Jamie knows his foult and try to fix the things with Brianna and I think she is very wise like his mother because she accepted Jamie’s excuse and his attitude
Yeah, but when this happens, you should always tell the truth, instead of hide in it. So it's a clear blunder by Brianna and claire...
I truly understand the course of actions however Brianna's actions were expected not justified. She hid the truth(which is definitely unimaginably painful for her) which led to the misunderstanding. And her father suddenly finding out, how was He supposed to react. It is not as if he hadn't seen other women victimize themselves in that era. How do you justify Brianna defending other man over her father and slapping him?
I find it too unfair that Lizzy got away with it all and Jamie was blamed for everything. This was all Lizzy's fault
Yeah I half expected Brianna to turn around and slap Lizzie as well, make it a full round
It was Clare's fault, as always
@@rosalialozano5804 that's so true lol
@@rosalialozano5804 How was it Claire's fault? What even?
Well Lizzy didn't call her name's and accused her of the thing Jamie had accused her of
I'm not mad at Jamie for beating up Roger, he wouldn't have done it if he knew the truth. I'm upset at him for not letting Bree finish and assume that she claimed to be raped because she found herself pregnant. And to everyone saying Bree has gone too far, she's assaulted, pregnant and thought the man she loved had left her but instead stayed to find her and had gotten hurt. Her relationship with Jamie is still very new here and just as she's getting to know him , he does this. Her anger is pretty valid.
Typical Jamie we have here. He is one who assumes and put words out without getting the whole picture as he did when he met Jenny again in s1 and assumed the child with her is Randall’s and raged at her without even listening or hearing from Jenny who’s kid is it🤦🏻♀️
Jamie is stubborn and Bree got the trait from him as well, unfortunately 😅
no it isn't. She went through alottt but that doesn't give you the right to take it out on ppl. Let alone HIT your parent for having your best interest at heart. If anybody her anger should be directed at lizzy.
I kinda understand Jamies perspective too. His daughter was handfast to someone from her own time (basically married) and told no one? It being her secret husband would not have been my first conclusion either
damn Bri I can feel the slap 200 years from here
true
actually... 251 but its ok.
😂😂😂 👏👏
Lol
Lol Murtagh leaving because their are two Fraser tempers in the room
😂😂😂😂😂
Brianna looks like the perfect mix of both parents.
Except for the Brown eyes
@@lisawallgren5684 yeah that throws me off but oh well
This whole bonnet arc was done so beautifully. They really played on the fact that Roger and Bri did not know the characters as the audience did and used what we knew to create marvellous drama and tension
All I'm going to say: Lizie should have tell what she saw to Jamie and CLAIRE. Or Jamie should have tell to Claire what Lizie said. All this happened because bad communication. End.
Poor Jamie, He couldn’t do right for doing wrong, all because Lizzie was mistaken in the first place, Huge mistake all round, and the poor Beggar Roger is now a guest of the ‘Mohawk’ good plot line though!
So it's all Lizzie's fault now? Brienne didn't tell anyone anything untill she became pregnent that's why don't keep a huge amount of secret like this from your loved one's.
Sigh, I don't know whose side I should choose. It's impossible. Right from the start, I haven't been a big fan of Brianna, as I often don't agree with her hot-tempered, childish reactions, but in this case, it's only natural to act completely irrational. On the other side, Jamie couldn't have known he was beating the wrong man. Bonnet certainly would deserve that (although I LOVE his acting...seriously, why do I always have to have a liking for psychopaths?) And Ian? He's such a cute man! A huge, huge misunderstanding. Oh, Lizzie...
Because psycopath characters are lesd bland , actors usually have more fun playing them too. And if you want a series full of psychos and sociopaths that are actually very likeable, i recomment black sails if you have not seen it.
This was one of the few scenes where I couldn't be on Jamie's side. He really messed things up, specially by being tempered and not listening to what Briana was saying. I'm glad they eventually get to be on good terms again.
But it wasn't his fault
He didn't know it. Brianna's reaction was too much against him
@@alejandraramirez9530 No way, he couldn't know it was Roger but Bree hit him because of what he just said to her! And I think he absolutely deserved that!!! If I was Bree I would be glad about growing up with Frank and not Jamie!
What ? It's Brianna's fault.
everything was lizzie's fault, shes the one who made a huge mistake that ended with all of these
@@cameo86 He absolutely cud have known it was Roger. He shud have talked to Bree and not taken any action behind her back. He hated being deprived of the opportunity of seeing Randall breathe his last by an accident and he made a choice to deprive Brianna of the opportunity for whateva wud give her peace. She's the aggrieved party, he had no right to take that decision from her. And if he'd done the bare minimum of respecting her will (which had already been disrespected unimaginably) he wudnt b in this mess.
Brianna is so much like Jamie and Claire here- Jamie had no idea what was happening...poor guy I understand Briannas anger tho too
I can understand both sides and why they’re angry
I loved that she said to Jamie that he doesn't get to be more angry than her. Didn't we all want to tell our father this at some point.
Nothing could be worst than being Roger in 18th century😅 feel bad for him throughout the series. Sometimes I wonder what possibly could happen to Frank if he ever go throu the stone as well.
I can't hate Roger more tho haha
Jamie probably would have straight up killed him thinking he was Randall and Frank would never had stood a chance of fighting back
I know im late but I just watched jamie punching him straight up 😆😆 I paused and laugh like 5 min🤣🤣🤣 i don’t even feel bad about him😆😆
I never would of thought that my favorite show ever by far, would be a romance novel
This was clearly everyone's fault for keeping secrets
This scene was so raw and phenomenal. The acting was so great! But honestly no side can be taken, it was just honest miscommunication on all parts. Brianna never communicated well with Lizzy, so she misinterpreted and got the info wrong to Ian and Jamie. And then Jamie got the info wrong when he thought she was defending her rapist and said what he said.
Lizzie supposed to receive one too
Murtagh really went "Aight imma head out"
😂😂😂😂 he knew what was boutta go down
I like how protective Claire is.
I was looking for this comment! I LOVE the fact she immediately changed her position and stood by Bree. It was a powerful detail.
1:36 Yes, this is all your fault, Lizzie!
I think it's Brianna's fault. She should told Lizzie what Is going on, Lizzie would know who Is Roger.
Brianna told her that Roger was the one who attacked her, how was it her fault?
@@buxadonoff Brianna never told Lizzie who raped her, she didn't want to talk about it. Lizzie just assumed it was Roger because she saw them fighting outside the bar. Also, Lizzie never saw Stephen Bonnet, the one who really attacked her. I suggest to watch the episode again.
@@dailycarolina. brianna saw that lizzie watched her and Roger getting out of the bar, later when she returned lizzie asked if the man she went out with was the one who hurt her and she confirmed. She was probably ashamed that she was raped after having sex with Roger. Not saying it was her fault for getting raped, it obviously wasn't, but she could have explained things better. Lizzie thought Roger was the one who hurt brianna and told Jaime the guy was at his house, what was Jaime supposed to do?
@@buxadonoff I need to rewatch but maybe the two just misunderstood each other. Maybe Brianna felt hurt because of the fight and confirmed because of that.
I love to see to see when their different times clash…this is well done writing
I STILL CANT DEAL WITH HER ACTING BYE
Brianna does not have to take his thoughts and feelings into account at all. She was the one that was raped. It being a different time means nothing or her nor should it. He made a decision without consulting her about what to do with the person that assaulted her. She doesn’t know him as her father and if she chooses not to tell him about who raped her that’s her decision. He is not entitled to that information if she doesn’t want to give it.
He was mislead by Brianna's maid, who thought Roger was the one who did it. I would have done the same thing Jamie did, if not worse. Bree shouldn't have said that to Jamie and period.
I Agree with you Gustavo, but it is the story line that is misleading, Like I said in my Comment, Huge Mistake! Lizzie only related what she witnessed, maybe Diana intended rattling a few cages, it certainly worked! don’t you think 🤔
But you also have to take into account jamies own experience with rape. He knows what a horrendous thing rape is and how much you suffer from it. The man nearly killed himself because of it. So imagen finding out that your daughter who you havent been able to see and protect finally finds you only to be raped. To have done to her the very thing that he wouldnt wish on his worst enemy, happen to her. I would be pretty fucking mad too. And why is no one blaming lizzie. She was the one who was miss informed and told people without Bree's concent.
Do you seriously think that a father is going to be consulting what to do with the guy who raped his daughter? think again.
whoever did not see this series does not know what he is missing.
I just realized, I would’ve react EXACTLY the same as Bree to Jamie. I would have screamed to my dad as say “WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??!! ITS NOT HIM!!!.” Lizzie informing him wrongly or not. I experienced what Bree had gone through or not. I WOULD react EXACTLY like her towards my dad who beat the hell out of the wrong man, precisely to the love of my life, and go hysterical knowing he sold him to damn Mohawks!
Think about it when we were younger and our parents did as wrong. Good intentions or not I would’ve gotten really mad at them and say words that are more than I meant to say. And I may have a temper or not, again, I would’ve been exactly like Bree at this scene. Of course getting mad at our parents doesn’t last long and I would’ve cooled my head off the next day like a normal kid.
"NO! You do NOT get to be more angry than me!"
She is so much like Jaime. Reminds me of the argument he had with Claire in France about Claire wanting Jamie to spare Black Jack Randall's life despite what he did to him.
It was Lizzie’s fault for giving the wrong information and also it was Brianna and Claire’s fault for keeping it secret.
Poor Jamie it’s not Jamie’s fault.
as much as I prefer Bree and frank over Bree and Jamie, it must have been sad for Jamie to hear that she loved Frank way more than him.
She will know him better just like Claire did
Well Jamie didn't get the opportunity to start a relationship til later at no fault of his own. I like the fact she has two father figures they both added something unique to her life. And they aren't alike so what they gave her was very different, still prefer Jamie and Bree though solely because that's how it should have been had she had not had to go through the stones. Plus I didn't really like Frank I think because of black jack. 😅
If I was Jamie I will just send her back, honestly she can't actually survive In the 18th century ,so for her own good ,he should just send her back
what a misunderstanding ! I was screaming " OMG can someone slap the stupidity out of Jamie !!! " and then... the slap came !
Brianna se pasó, Jaime no podía adivinar, Lizzy le aseguro que el
Violo a su hija!!!. Brianna debió haber sido sido sincera con sus Padres y contarles todo. Esa bofetada a Jaime estuvo de más!.
Brie is so annoying. What the hell else was Jamie supposed to think!!?? Ughhh
Well Jamie got it wrong and beat Roger. He thought he was the one who hurt Brianne.
Brianna no debería haberle pegado a su papá porque los padres se les respeta.
Every time I hear "how good Frank was" and "what a wonderful father" it makes me gag. I found him repulsive (and not at all because he looked like Jack Randall).
He was good to her!!
Why do you find him repulsive?
@@zbotello1439 because he entered into an agreement with Claire, at a time when she was completely vulnerable (pregnant, grieving, upset by a powerful experience like time-travelling) and forced her to go back to the "perfect marriage" and act as if she still loved him. She didn't love him anymore and she was very upfront about it. I completely understand the pain of having his marriage ruined by a "3rd party", but if your wife tells you straight up that she is in love with somebody else, why are you even staying with her? I can even understand marriages based on convenience and friendship. But forcing her to act as if she was happy and satisfied and she didn'teven remember those 2 or 3 years "away"? What kind of perverse satisfaction can you earn from an "act"? Did he really think she was going to fall back in love with him, just because she was forced to act as if she was, and forbidden to even mention or think about the other one? That's another level of effed-up. Not to mention the way he always tried to be "the favourite" in Brianna's heart, spoiling her, trying to get her away from her mother, in a perverse attempt to get back to her biological parents. Ew...
@@bea3ce687 I hadn’t seen it from this perspective but it makes sense what you say. Claire and Frank’s marriage ended the moment she traveled through the stones.
@@zbotello1439 I mean, in a way I am sorry for him too. He was a twisted control-freak, but by stubbornly pursuing this fake marriage he basically threw away his life and any chance of happiness *for himself*. He realized it too late. I know he is fictional, but I have seen too many people do the same exact thing irl. Usually it's women, though...
It also irritates me that Claire got blamed more than once for the "sham of a marriage", both from him and from his lover. She offered divorce, twice. Once when she came back, and once when she met the other woman. What else was she supposed to do? You can't change your feelings, you can only act as honorably and honestly as you can based on them.
On the other hand, in this scene I am angry at Claire, because he didn't tell anything about Bonnet to Jamie and she didn't argue with Bri, when she talked to Jamie , her father, like that "go to hell". Where are her manors?? But, Jamie was a stranger to her since yesterday. I think poor Jamie is the victim here for getting the wrong information.
he was brutal to her, saying horrible things. he is not innocent in this, he refused to listen, though she was lying about being violated and called her a whore. he only stoped when she slapped some sense into him, something that jamie needs quite often especially in the books.
@@fbeaz well, I don't agree.. I have not read the books though.. But, in the show I am on the side of Jamie in this scene. Besides, he is from another century. We can't forget that. He have another moral code, another opinion for rape. I rewatced all seasons and I see things and understand scenes and characters from a different scope.
I'm by your side. JAMIE WAS CONFUSED that doesn't give the right to Brianna to slap him
@@alejandraramirez9530 Totally agree with you too and especially her father..whoever he is , whatever he did, he is her father. You don't slap your father or tell him go to hell. You can yell at him, be angry, you can cry or push him , but no slap him.. she doesn't have respect of him. And Claire is just standing there... but after, Claire says Jamie that she she didn't mean it. I think that she is exactly like Jamie.. the director is trying to show this. I have seen 6 times all seasons!! LOL
@@alejandraramirez9530 i thought too
Wow! As a daughter of a dear man who was however easy to anger, I love this! YOU DO NOT GET TO BE ANGRIER THAT ME!! Love Brianna and Jamie 😂❤
When you go to your friend's house and they start arguing with their parents
How could he poasibly know? So why all the hate on Jamie?
Well whether it was intensional or not doesn't really matter right now. From Brianna's percpective Jamie basicly sentenced the love of her life to die for all she knows.
Misunderstandings aside I think in this situation she has the right to be a l i t t l e pissed about all of this. Brianna has the most stubborn and hot headed parents on the Earth she didn't have a choice but to be born with a temper.
Well Jamie didn't checked or asked first if it was the right man and just let his anger out right here right there on Roger.
Why blame him when Brianna and Claire kept the information hidden.? Of all times to keep silent Claire chooses this. I think Brianna is incredibly rude and Claire is selfish in her need to keep silent. Poor decisions all around. The show also failed to properly show Brianna forgiving Jamie and how he was present during her delivery....once more unfair treatment of Jamie's character.
Well he did make some pretty foul claims about his daughter, assuming she only claimed to be raped when finding out she was pregnant. He should of listened, that would hurt dreadfully from anyone, especially a father you’re just getting to know.
@@irisgomez5089 Yep. I stopped watching the show long before this due to the way they portray Jamie.
I see comments saying "Jaime doubted that Brianna was rapped and insult her". Friends, I invite you to see that scene again and analyze it better. Brianna was mad at herself because she didn't resist enough, because she didn't fight enough, she thought being raped was her fault. Jaime says hurtful things to provoke her to attack him and so he shows her that it is not her fault that she was raped, that there was nothing she could do, that the person who raped her was a stronger beast than her.
That's not "analyzing the scene", that's making up a lot of stuff that isn't there.
That was in another scene. Not here.
whew. did you stretch your back before making this reach? surely could've sustained an injury in the process!
It was Claire's and Brianna's fault in the first place. 🙄They didn't tell Jamie the truth and they had all the chance to do so. Of course as a father he would react like that. God, Brianna was so annoying in these parts of the books. So selfish!
I don't think anything in the world could ever justify what Jamie said to her before she slapped him! That was absolutely horrible 😡
@Jei HE HAS NO RIGHT FOR THAT INFORMATION IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM THIS INFORMATION! And no, they are not responsible for actions he took without consulting with them first. Yes, this was a different time but he knew both women were raised dirrent than him and he knew Claire well enough to have a clue how both women would think of him actiong on his onw!
@@MsKatastrophenBarbie I think they didn't tell Jamie it was Stephen Bonnet so he wouldn't feel guilty, since it was Jamie who let that man go.
@@antonio_svq after what he said? I would have punched him more than slapped him.
1:59 this was unnecessarily rude. Let alone Jamie’s, even my heart was shattered into pieces 😭
Yep. After 20+ years of being called a savage by the British...
everything would have been avoided if Roger had introduced himself before asking about the place. That's why good manners are important. Hahaha just kidding. without that we wouldn't have had a season.
yo amo outlander y no he leido los libros pero en la serie odié como se integró Brianna y Roger a este increíble mundo... Roger como personaje me parece pésimo y siento que no aporta nada además de sus conocimientos en historia, sus escenas me aburren, estuvo dos temporadas cagándola y siendo rescatado ajsdajs Brianna por si sola es fantástica y me hubiera gustado ver más de su relación con Jamie pero se centraron tanto en la pareja de Roger y Brianna (también siento que tienen 0 química) me quedaron debiendo la relación de padre e hija :(
I really don't like it how Bree slapped his father.
Finally a comment i was looking for.....but i guess in western society there seems to be an acceptability for such a behaviour but not in Indian society....
@@saroha21 Yes it is totally understandable about why Brianna was angry but slapping him is just too much.
Id be a goner for sure
Exactly . He’s her father. U don’t slap ur parent …
Yeah, slapping him was far too far, I would think it's 20th European century manner too cos in this timeline even in Europe slapping your parent is a punishable offense
Why no body say it is Lizzi ‘s fault ? also Clair did not tell Jamie about the real man who raher , it is her fault alsi , poor Jamie 💔
Its all Lizzie's fault for assuming things.
Lizzie would have left my land that second and better never come back.
Brianna hit two men in the same scene!
Ah... Jamie made a mistake, but I still feel bad for him. Haha... the look of pride on Claire's face when Brianne said, "No, you do not get to be more angry than me."
Awhhh , my jamie🥺😢
How dare she slap my jamie !
So many different conflicting thoughts about this scene. Obviously a lot of unfortunate miscommunication but Jamie did not deserve any of this. I understand Brianna is furious but will not tolerate these actions. People are saying Brianna is just like Jamie in this scene but I couldn’t disagree more. Jamie has a temper as well but in no world would go around smacking his family member’s in the face out of anger. (Obviously there was the spanking with Claire but this feels like a completely different situation) I was upset until she smacked ian and that’s what sent me lol.
He made assumptions and insulted Jenny the same way when he came home to Lallybroch and thought she was carrying Jack Randall's child. Jumping to conclusions runs in the family.
She doesn’t know Jamie, to her he’s a stranger.
Complete side note: I hate what they did with the wedding ring. Whenever I see the ring in rewatches now, it's not romantic anymore, all I can think of is 'ah yes, that's the ring their daughter will get assaulted for'. One of the more stupid changes they made to the books..
i can’t stand all these comments defending Jamie as if he’s some oh so mighty figure. Brianna is the victim here. get a grip you bunch of middle aged women 🥴🥴🥴
Dude is from the 1700's ... give him a break.
Jamie was mislead by Brianna's maid... and she didn't explained things well until that moment. Claire even helped hiding from Jamie the fact that Bonnet was the aggressor. If someone told me that the man who did that thing to my daughter was at my very door, I would have done the same thing Jamie did (every man, from prehistoric times 'till today would).
Don't judge an 18th century man with 21st century standards.
K well are u forgetting that jamie himself was also raped? He knows better than anyone what its like and he was trying to avenge the pain and suffering that his daughter was put through. If that happened to me i would 100% expect my dad to have the same reaction. And jamies was amplified by his own experience
They are a mix of jaimie thirsty simps and some guys who apparently have the same 18 century mentality as jaimie. to expect proper reasoning and logic from that people is to expect too much
She must be angry at stupid Lizzi not Jamie
She slaps like Clair 💯 and is tempered like Jamie.
Gosh jamie n Brianna look like twins
I don't hate Brianna, but I don't like her relationship with Roger haha... Very sorry, Roger.
Brianna is indeed Jamie's daughter. They were so similar in different ways. Brianna has that female Jamie within her.
Talk about getting your wires crossed!
omg. Jamie has the same age than his daughter XDDD
I don't think some of you got the real reason why she slapped him. It wasn't because what happent with Roger, or at least not intirely. Because you are right. That wasn't only Jamie's fault, it was one hell of a misunderstanding, where everybody participated. True, his action were hasty and impulsive and he should've consulted his decision with Brianna and Claire before acting on his own. Brianna is also right to be mad at him for this, who would not be, and if the slapp was only for this I would judge her too. But...
the slapp was for what he said afterwards. And in this I'm entirely on her side. Sorry, but no father should say something like this to his daughter, no matter the time or place. As for someone who knows what it is like, being used like that, Jamie went way out of his line. Even if he didn't have all the information nothing gives him the right to speak like this to someone, let alone to his own daughter. He messed up, big time. What he said was horrible and you really can't blame Brianna for lashing out.
You seem to have a lot of issues… get that checked out.
@@karislewis5003 you are the one who have a lot of issues...
Oh you have no idea how much I hated Brianna for doing that, slapping Jamie.
How dare she to do that 😤
Brianna shouldn't slap Jamie ,he is your father and it is never allowed to do so,she is Mature girl Of 20 still acting a baby like he knew about roger n beat him intentionally due to the maid words, Brianna is really rude
Oh I just wish if the author make it Back of Claire when Brianna was a little Maybe of 9 or 10,
One thing I find off if just suppose if it were me I would at least go back after 4 or 4 years to see if he is still alive but Claire never did , if she did it then Brianna would be with Jamie and Claire at least, well its my opinion
My African Self went into cultural shock seeing a daughter slap her Dad...would never ever happen here.
He sentenced a man to a life sentence/death, without the consent of the victim, and then accused the victim of lying. In my book she had a very appropriate reaction
Lizzy's fault
Ah jamie..
I would've Loved to have had a Father protect me the way Jamie did for his daughter.
We see the scene from our own experience.
To me she was an ungrateful brat.
Yep not to mention disrespectful...... i don't like her at all 😑
Brianna is so much like Jenny
I blame Claire for not telling him before, she always demanded truth from Jamie but why not tell this?
I hated Brianna for her this behaviour to her father.😡
She shouldn’t slapped Jamie,was not his fault he just tried to defend her, it was a mistake.
I hate how she said "no you do not get to be more angry than me" that was honestly so selfish of her to say ofc he will be angry.
@jinan But he has not the right to! In his time the honour of the family was worth more. But it was Brianna who was hurt and raped! It's her right to be most angry because of what has been done to her. This shows so much the different times they belong to.
@@MsKatastrophenBarbie and is reason number one to why it will never make sense for claire to fall for jaimie and choose to live in that century.
I so hate Brianna for this and it makes me every time so angry that Claire and Jamie just act as If it was Jamie's fault. 😠😡😠😡And I hate The Frank-card as I nevet liked him. 🙈 But in good drama there must be also bad things...❤️
Yeah, she seems to forget that Jamie didn’t know,. He was acting on inaccurate info. And yes, Lizzie was hardly specific, how was she to know anyway?
Bit unfair with Frank there. He was in an impossible situation. He tried to salvage his marriage and failed but didn't leave for the sake his daughter.
While you could argue that both Frank and Claire were terrible spouses, he was nonetheless a great father.
He has his faults but he is still a good person.
@@Misierbobo thank you!!
Brianna debería haber hablado ...ya muy intensa
I felt like reaching through the sceen and slugging Bree all because in the end Claire and Bree withheld info from Jamie.🙄😠
Expetacular momento👏👏👏👏👏💙
When Claire told Brianna the truth about her real father, Brianna SAID VERY BAD THINGS TO CLAIRE, hurtful and harsh words, like "I wish you had died and not my father." So she has no right to be so mad at Jamie for what he told her. I don't defend Jamie, but he was wrong and he's not perfect, Brianna said equally worse things to Claire.
In this situation no one is to blame, it was a horrible misunderstanding, it wasn't even Lizzie's fault because from the beginning Brianna never told her who Roger was. It is normal for Lizzie to think that Roger was the rapist due to his violent attitude
this scene i hate. The development of the relationship between Brianna and Jamie was not built well into the series. She sometimes looks forced. We expect an evolution between father and daughter in season six 🙏🏻
This was so funny to watch
Try this with an asian parent and you'll see your doom. Hehehe jk
Eu acho demais Briana dar um tapa na cara de Jamie e de Ian, muita arrogância dar uma tapa na cara do próprio pai que acabou de conhecer. Ela que escondeu a verdade, que culpa eles tem? Ela não convence muito com filha de Claire e Jamie, não tem química com eles.
She ruined the show. The actor, the character, how she was written, I’m debating on quitting the show if I need to watch anymore of Brianna.
Agree. I lost interest watching the show since Brianna's appearance
Sad but true
She was bratty
I can't see anything wrong with the actress. It's like everytime the writers need something to go wrong they drag out Brianna and find something awful to happen to/about her. In the first season, it might have been Claire, walking into the path of a wild boar or into the hands of the Card-Carrying Villain. Now she and Jamie know each other a bit too well to create a lot of drama --> enter Brianna.
Honestly 😞
No child must ever slap her father.this is so wrong
This scene isn’t supposed to be funny at all but I’m sorry the way Jamie and Ian are so sheepish after Bri slaps them to the moon and back has me in a chokehold
fer real
Murtagh 😂
I really don't understand her reaction. It was mistake, Jaime tought that Roger was the man who rapted her. Her daughter, damn it... He acted like the majority of fathers would.
Agree. I hated Brianna after that scene
@@arsiiicola U shud b ashamed of yourself.
Poor Jamie, he did nothing wrong... The daughter and mother didn't tell him the full truth .
I am watching this episode now. This brianna called my jamie a savage ! How could she!
I just hate her right now.
The only scene I hate in all series . Jamie didn't do anything wrong if I were at his place I would have done the same. Writer must be irrational feminist
Me molesta mucho esa escena porque toda esa situación fue culpa de Brianna, si ella hubiera hablado desde el principio todo esto se habría evitado. Yo, al igual que Jaime, habría a agarrado a golpes al que tocó a mi hija, así que su reacción es totalmente real, pero esa niña berrinchuda se quedó callada
Hate Roger and loved him getting a beating lol
I hate that scene..no matter what your parents do to you no right to splap them
She would have avoided slapping Jamie had he not doubted her on being raped. That second slap she could’ve avoided I think. Was very funny though.
He didn't doubt that she was raped, are there really people who didn't understand the scene at all? She was blaming herself about being raped because she said she didnt fight back and allowed it. and Jaime made her see by provoking her that she could not do anything and it was not her fault
@@Andromeda-xc2vw you’re talking about a different scene bro. I’m talking about what happened here.
Kinda unfair for Jamie. Brianna never apologized with him. It was a mistake really.