About "Jay Garrick's" helmet: it's certainly possible that it references an adventure where Wally West got temporarily hyperaccelerated to the point where he's a blur living in between the ticks of a second. In other words he became the Kingdom Come version of The Flash. Kingdom Come writer Mark Waid *did* identify that version as Wally, and that version did wear a silver winged helmet.
@@MineKurtMininer They already time travelled to WW2 in _the Savage Time_ and the JSA do not exist at all. The time-displaced JL basically became stand-ins.
@@apieceoftoast768 - Batman, Superman and Flash have all gotten shows centered around them, both animated and live action. Why not give the other hundreds of DC heroes a chance instead?
I always assumed that the kid flash suit and the original flash helmet Were costumes Wally West designed before he settled on his iconic scarlet spandex
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Is it possible that it just took the city a while to actually welcome him/warm up to him like in CW Flash? So he could have been running around in the KF uniform, changed and then met the mayor?
@@adaoraelliott9254 I had a theory similar to this: The helmet was Wally’s first disguise, then he upgraded to the KF suit, then he made his current suit. During the first two suits Central City didn’t acknowledge/trust him until the current suit.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it could be possible that the kid flash costume was a prototype that he never used or only used his first few times as the Flash. Either that or Barry Allen is/was somewhere out there as Kid Flash.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't even realize it was a joke until I read your comment. I was just thinking "Huh, I guess Mattie's a Sonic fan." Now I feel "slow." 😉
@@andrewcozzini8259 I wonder if we could get a animated movie where Flash have a crossover with sonic the hedgehog just like Batman vs TMNT animated movie
This video makes me realize that no matter how long the CW keeps the live action show on and however awesome their Reverse-Flash may be, DCAU Wally will always be definitive Flash to me!
@@srstriker6420 I also would like to see a Zoom in the DCAU, however, I would actually prefer Eobard Thawne paired off with Wally, as he is in many respects a fusion of Barry Allen's history and Wally West's personality. But yeah, that is something left kind of missing in the DCAU, almost intentionally so, I believe. As the writers didn't seem too keen on having multiple speedsters and the techno babble and/or insane threat level that a speedster villain would present.
@@srstriker6420 Now that's an idea I've had and think would be AWESOME, considering the heroes of the Beyond time are accustomed to being seen as the future, but to Eobard their time would be the past.
It’s actually the Greek god Hermès helmet. The helmet is named Wielder and is forced by Hephaestus which is also a Greek god. It look basically the same, and since the Greek god came long before Dc it’s Hermès helmet and not Jays helmet for those who didn’t know.
But when you think about it. It kinda makes sense. Hermès is the fastest one out of the gods , and since Jay was the first speedster in Dc as we know about he wore the same helmet as Hermès showing that he’s fast.
With all the new DCAU movies coming, I really wish we get to see more of the flash as it would be great to see the true wally back in the main stream media. He is in my opinion the best flash after all
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I tend to think the purple golbe could be a reference to Magenta where she has a purple color scheme and she can generate and control magnetic fields By she created a purple circle has a blunt object to fight the Flash that purple feather could be a reference to bird man he has a purple bird sidekick and they are located in central city it's a deep cut to superfriends and there happens to be reference to super friends throughout justice League
given that we were shown a dcau versions of the Blackhawks and the Easy Company, I would say it's possible that a version of the JSA did exist in the dcau probably around the time frame when Bruce was a kid it could be that they had a very different roster then the mean Universe version. members of the dcau version of the JSA roster Wildcat/ted grant The Crimson Avenger/Lee Walter Shining Knight/Sir Justin (given his immortality would make the most sense) Zatara/John Zatara Commander Steel (given that this is a legacy me if it was passed down to the one we see in JLU) Hourman Black canary Red Tornado
At first, you all had my sympathy. We love this universe because we fell in love watching it together every night after work. The first comic/gn my wife read was "Kingdom Come", we watched the JLU for the background. We feel wonderfully obsessed, but you have made it art. You have made these fascinating and hilarious looks at the greatest animated series, and versions of legendary characters with the weight they deserve. Watchtower and all involved, are dangerously addictive, but they are definitely the good guys!
Did you know that after Crisis, Barry Allen actually appeared in Marvel comics with total amnesia and called himself Buried Alien? Or something like that. He raced all the Marvel speedsters and kicked their asses!
About the purple planet … Museums often have “works in progress” or exhibits that are in partial construction. I’m inclined to think that the purple planet is an attempt to make something resembling Apokolips, with the “volcanoes” meant to show off Kirby dot energy when activated.
Flashpoint and Dr. Manhattan's intromission in main continuity affected the whole multiverse (and maybe even the Hypertime). That may explain post-Flashpoint continuity "errors" in Earth 12
I do believe that Garrick and the JSA could’ve easily existed within the DCAU but likely took on a form, similar to that of task force X. After all they pre-date the 90s and any government during their time would try to keep a lid on super powered individuals. So likely vigilantes, especially super powered ones were given a compulsory draft notices or execution orders.
about the symbols in the flash museum: while you said the reverse flash's symbol is usually mirrored, this actually wasn't true until relatively recently, for much of his existence the reverse flash's symbol just had the inverted colors of the flash's but was in the same orientation, so it's likely that was meant to be the reverse flash's symbol on the wall
It could be that the kid flash costume could be a prototype suit or a test suit like the costume Barry wore when testing his powers in the flash tv show
My theory on the Garrick helmet: there was a justice league episode where the heroes except Batman and Superman get “transported” to a comic book world with heroes similar to the JSA. These were actual comic book heroes in the DCAU. The show focused on Stewart’s fandom of the characters and the influence, but it’s highly possible based on wally’s character he was influenced as well. While the Jay Garrick stand-in didn’t wear the trademark helmet, instead sporting something similar to a baseball helmet, it is entirely possible that in his comics he wore that helmet as a variation to the costume
I think when it comes to the DCAU has them all secretly cannon , but have to introduce them eventually . If more comics come out introducing other characters into the DCAU cannon then there’s the proof . Jason Todd and Deathstroke are now cannon in the universe .
I would sell my right leg to make a DCAU Flash cartoon. I want a version of Zoom (Hunter Zolomon flavour) because I think he'd be a perfect character contrast to the DCAU version of Wally who is more laid back and slackery than the comic version. plus it'd be so sick to build him up over say a season and then do a big two parter where Zoom goes full nightmare fuel and ruins Wally's life to make him a "better hero".
While canonically they're probably just references and not literal items in the museum (unless flash at some point wore the helmet and costume before deciding on the red one), but I like to think that if we got more JLU, Flash would've been explored more and maybe these characters would either come into existence or be explained somehow. At the very least Jay Gerrick or The Reverse Flash probably would have appeared in a theoretical 4th season since they're the most popular flash-centric things
I like to think that the Kid Flash suit was Wally’s first suit. And if we’re going to talk about hair, the Kid Flash suit’s cowl made the wearer’s hair visible and able to stand up. While the Flash suit’s cowl would naturally make their hair flat which could be why Wally’s hair is flat. Then again it’s just a theory.
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I mean I didn't see any real major hair differences in the Kid Flash costumes plus it would make sense since that Kid Flash costume looks like it was worn by an older Wally West (probably while Barry was still around) so it would make sense for the hair to be slightly different, I know my hair has changed a lot over the years
Nice work Mattie and WTDB! You went the extra mile (🥁) and covered all 3 DCAU Flash museums, even though two of them don't even count! You guys are nothing if not thorough. Anyways, in regards to the Kid Flash costume, I (likely in my then never-ending apologetic quest to confirm Teen Titans as part of the DCAU) had always attributed it to Wally, as a former identity. This is mainly on the basis that most of the things in this museum are an homage to Wally's Flash and that the height of the manneuqin stands about even with Wally in the present as the Flash, suggesting he possibly aged out of the role. Also, the fact that it's on display suggests that whoever wore said suit has moved on and the mantle has been retired (ala the display cases in Batman Beyond). While it is possible that their is an adult-age Bart Allen Kid Flash, now possibly Impulse, in the DCAU, it seems more likely, given JLU (tie-in comic) incorporating Jay as the first Flash that Wally took on the name KF, before being eventually given the full-on Flash mantle from Jay. It's a bit dicey, I know, and there's the statement from Dwayne McDuffie that seems to contradict the JLU issue, but there is nothing on-screen to contradict the tie-in comic's cannonicity, so I think this theory could work. Just my thoughts; what do you all think?
Well, that helmet was based of the helmet of Hermes, messenger of the gods who can also run really fast, so it doesn't necessarily mean Jay Garrick, but we'd all be disappointed if it didn't. Edit: I didn't even need to comment this, dammit!
The purple suit kind of looks like a Tornado Twins suit. I see literally no way that the Tornado Twins would be in the DCAU, but it does look like one of Don or Dawn's suits.
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2:50 Random theory, but what if we're seeing the DCAU from the viewpoint of an inhabitant rather than a reader? We see New Earth begin after Crisis... after Crisis. But it's canon they forget almost all of it other than broad strokes. But it's also canon that New Earth has a full history which predates its own birth. So, logically, if we were in the history of a post-reboot universe, it would get shaky with contradictions since it didn't actually happen in the universe it's in. It's canon that the way DC Comics' reboots work, the previous folded together timelines are not neatly folded at all. Taking a magnifying glass to the past reveals tons of holes in the new timeline, like the Hawks, which further extends to the beings which make up the fabric of the universe like The Endless. If a plot hole can be so big as to impact the Endless without it making the universe implode, it means any level of contradictions can exist in the past. So, all the non-canon can be canon despite later being impossible to rectify with canon because a reboot could have already happened in the future and we're seeing the pseudopast of the new timeline. If you saw the pre-Crisis part of the Post-Crisis timeline, it would be full of contradictions. If this is the pre-Crisis part of a Post-Crisis timeline, it would look exactly like this.
Okay, this is going to be very far fetched but think about it: the purple sphere world is from the thinker! If you think about it in the flash tv show (yes I know is unrelated) the thinkers main goal was to become the most intelligent man on the planet and had to activate a plan called “the enlightenment” which had a ton of satellites in atmosphere dumbing people dumb. It’s more complicated then that but I believe those purple spheres were caused by the thinker
What if Barry from this universe was reverse flash but still had the mirrored logo and he possibly went into the speedforce and was never seen again???? MAYBE?
At 8:08, the first appearance of the new house...I mean Watchtower that James broadcasts from! Mattie is obviously stationed in the Metro Tower. Ted...I guess is in Titans Tower, if this universe even has Titans. Am I right?
The purple planet might be a model of Apokolips, with the nubby things being the fire pits. It looks off because it's a rendition by an artist who had very little information to work from.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Maybe his early costumes sucked? He looked up the history of Hermes and decided to pay tribute to him. He wore a mask in the Garrik's costume but the helmet didn't allow him to see properly. He then came close to the original with the yellow costume but the color itself didn't suit him. Also, if you are clearly an adult and call yourself "Kid flash" people will start to wonder if you are either lying or you are just too inmature. Bad propaganda. I say he had 3 or 4 adventures before he designed his final suit, then the city oficially recognized him as "The Flash, hero of Central city " when they figure out he wasn't like that "nuts" from Gotham city.
I personally believe that the Flash we meet in Speed Demons was Barry, and Wally was Kid Flash around that time. He took over as Flash sometime before Justice League premiered
What if the statues in the museam have holographic backups because of how often they are destroyed? I think that would be neat
This is a really clever idea and could totally be a thing in a world of super beings
Why does that sound so familiar?
@@Anti-HyperLink Well, I know that in _Young Justice,_ they have a holographic shrine called "the Grotto" to every hero who has died.
About "Jay Garrick's" helmet: it's certainly possible that it references an adventure where Wally West got temporarily hyperaccelerated to the point where he's a blur living in between the ticks of a second. In other words he became the Kingdom Come version of The Flash. Kingdom Come writer Mark Waid *did* identify that version as Wally, and that version did wear a silver winged helmet.
Wasn’t it classified as Wally Allen or Barry West? But yeah I agree with you.
jay exists in the dcau he's in a couple of the tie-in comics
@@tinas.5425 there not canon anymore lol
or maybe he time travelled into ww2 where the JSA were around
@@MineKurtMininer They already time travelled to WW2 in _the Savage Time_ and the JSA do not exist at all. The time-displaced JL basically became stand-ins.
It's a shame we never got a Flash cartoon
Ikr
Yep flash is so cool
There are only short cartoons from 1961
Honestly, I wish each of the main Justice League members had their own show, like Superman and Batman
@@apieceoftoast768 - Batman, Superman and Flash have all gotten shows centered around them, both animated and live action. Why not give the other hundreds of DC heroes a chance instead?
I always assumed that the kid flash suit and the original flash helmet Were costumes Wally West designed before he settled on his iconic scarlet spandex
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Is it possible that it just took the city a while to actually welcome him/warm up to him like in CW Flash? So he could have been running around in the KF uniform, changed and then met the mayor?
@@adaoraelliott9254 I had a theory similar to this: The helmet was Wally’s first disguise, then he upgraded to the KF suit, then he made his current suit. During the first two suits Central City didn’t acknowledge/trust him until the current suit.
Me too.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 it could be possible that the kid flash costume was a prototype that he never used or only used his first few times as the Flash. Either that or Barry Allen is/was somewhere out there as Kid Flash.
At first I was like "why do you have Sonic games on your shelf?", but then I got the joke.
I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't even realize it was a joke until I read your comment. I was just thinking "Huh, I guess Mattie's a Sonic fan." Now I feel "slow." 😉
@@andrewcozzini8259 I wonder if we could get a animated movie where Flash have a crossover with sonic the hedgehog just like Batman vs TMNT animated movie
@@srstriker6420 god no
@@SadfoxGuyver on come now
@@srstriker6420 Well, Flash was referenced in the Sonic movie (as a comic tho) so that's something at least.
I usually don't like it when continuity drives the story, but it'd be really great to get an in-canon deep dive into the Flash's history in the DCAU.
I said it once and I’ll say it again, we need a DCAU Flash cartoon or movie.
Heck yeah we do!
3 years later I still agree lol
Too bad we are too far removed from the dcau Wally west era 😢
This video makes me realize that no matter how long the CW keeps the live action show on and however awesome their Reverse-Flash may be, DCAU Wally will always be definitive Flash to me!
I wish Hunter Zolomon would appear
@@srstriker6420 I also would like to see a Zoom in the DCAU, however, I would actually prefer Eobard Thawne paired off with Wally, as he is in many respects a fusion of Barry Allen's history and Wally West's personality. But yeah, that is something left kind of missing in the DCAU, almost intentionally so, I believe. As the writers didn't seem too keen on having multiple speedsters and the techno babble and/or insane threat level that a speedster villain would present.
@@andrewcozzini8259 then maybe Hunter Zolomon should have been first and Eobard Thawne in the Batman Beyond era
@@srstriker6420 Now that's an idea I've had and think would be AWESOME, considering the heroes of the Beyond time are accustomed to being seen as the future, but to Eobard their time would be the past.
@@andrewcozzini8259 if only the Justice league of the future had its own spin off
McDuffie: There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no DCAU Jay Garrick.
Fun Fact: Kingdom Come Wally West does wear the silver helmat.
At 4:45, that's not Jay Garrick's helmet; it's Reverse Flash's "cue to leave." (Those who know, know.) But seriously though, it's Jay's helmet.
😆😆
The CWs Flash
It’s actually the Greek god Hermès helmet. The helmet is named Wielder and is forced by Hephaestus which is also a Greek god. It look basically the same, and since the Greek god came long before Dc it’s Hermès helmet and not Jays helmet for those who didn’t know.
But when you think about it. It kinda makes sense. Hermès is the fastest one out of the gods , and since Jay was the first speedster in Dc as we know about he wore the same helmet as Hermès showing that he’s fast.
I've been waiting for you guys to talk about this for a long time. Great video, and thanks for the shoutout !
There's some sort of Flash joke about how quickly I clicked this video when I saw it... but that's too much like work
Feeble Human. Grodd took control of your body and mind to learn more about The Flash
Thanks for using my Arrow/Flash cover!
With all the new DCAU movies coming, I really wish we get to see more of the flash as it would be great to see the true wally back in the main stream media. He is in my opinion the best flash after all
How the hell Jay Garrett's helmet stay on while he runs?
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 this made me laugh a little too loud
Velcro
There’s actually a strap not always shown
Now all I want is a Flash animated series... Well, now more than usual
Flash and Substance is one of my favorite JLU episodes, and Wally is my favorite Flash. "Ah Boomer, not the Turtle-Man display."
Yeah if you read Flash year one?
Now figure out if the Batman in Scooby-Doo And Guess Who is the Batman in the DCAU!
Good thinkin'
that is a brilliant idea
@@kingjiggle4th789 got it from GodzillaMendoza
Yeah
Conroy’s voice.....could be.
And then Batman and Scooby Doo Brave and Bold would be an alternate time line.
I need more flash content in my life.
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But what if Kid Flash is Hush?
Lol
It’s not funny anymore because Batman the Adventure continues is over now
@The Utubers but still Hush never showed up
The "Purple Planet" thing obviously predicted what the Covid diagram would look like XD
We tried to get a coronavirus joke in there but it felt a little in poor taste.
@@dcauwatchtower Understandable
Pretty sure the purple planet is a miscolored repurposed Apokolips.
18:32
Insert Markipier voice here: purple guy?!
I never realized William Afton was a Flash villian
I tend to think the purple golbe could be a reference to Magenta where she has a purple color scheme and she can generate and control magnetic fields By she created a purple circle has a blunt object to fight the Flash that purple feather could be a reference to bird man he has a purple bird sidekick and they are located in central city it's a deep cut to superfriends and there happens to be reference to super friends throughout justice League
given that we were shown a dcau versions of the Blackhawks and the Easy Company, I would say it's possible that a version of the JSA did exist in the dcau probably around the time frame when Bruce was a kid it could be that they had a very different roster then the mean Universe version.
members of the dcau version of the JSA roster
Wildcat/ted grant
The Crimson Avenger/Lee Walter
Shining Knight/Sir Justin (given his immortality would make the most sense)
Zatara/John Zatara
Commander Steel (given that this is a legacy me if it was passed down to the one we see in JLU)
Hourman
Black canary
Red Tornado
Could be! Check out our “Wonder Woman - Myth?” video if you haven’t already, we go over some JSA theories there!
At first, you all had my sympathy. We love this universe because we fell in love watching it together every night after work. The first comic/gn my wife read was "Kingdom Come", we watched the JLU for the background. We feel wonderfully obsessed, but you have made it art.
You have made these fascinating and hilarious looks at the greatest animated series, and versions of legendary characters with the weight they deserve.
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Barry Allen is Flash/Reverse Flash/Kid Flash/Hush lol, it’s canon
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And Hunter Zolomon?
I would love a Flash "story" video. This is by far my favorite version of the Flash.
How you read Flash year one?
I would love to see another Flash centered video! Wally is one of my favorite heroes of all time.
Maybe that little purple thing is a purple shard from Eclipso’s gem when flash fought an eclipsed Justice League?
Nah that’s definitely a feather (or leaf), not a shard of gem
Did you know that after Crisis, Barry Allen actually appeared in Marvel comics with total amnesia and called himself Buried Alien? Or something like that.
He raced all the Marvel speedsters and kicked their asses!
FULL FLASH STORY PLEASE! He’s my favorite DCAU Character of all time
About the purple planet …
Museums often have “works in progress” or exhibits that are in partial construction. I’m inclined to think that the purple planet is an attempt to make something resembling Apokolips, with the “volcanoes” meant to show off Kirby dot energy when activated.
14:11 It's just Bart's logo when he's Kid Flash
Flashpoint and Dr. Manhattan's intromission in main continuity affected the whole multiverse (and maybe even the Hypertime). That may explain post-Flashpoint continuity "errors" in Earth 12
I do believe that Garrick and the JSA could’ve easily existed within the DCAU but likely took on a form, similar to that of task force X.
After all they pre-date the 90s and any government during their time would try to keep a lid on super powered individuals. So likely vigilantes, especially super powered ones were given a compulsory draft notices or execution orders.
The Flash is my all time favourite Superhero. Specifically Barry Allen.
wouldn't the kid flash suit in the museum just be Wally's old suit?
18:31 (Man behind the slaughter starts playing)
The Purple ball îs maybe a stink bomb.
Something that the Trickster would use.
about the symbols in the flash museum: while you said the reverse flash's symbol is usually mirrored, this actually wasn't true until relatively recently, for much of his existence the reverse flash's symbol just had the inverted colors of the flash's but was in the same orientation, so it's likely that was meant to be the reverse flash's symbol on the wall
The purple costume kind of reminds me of elongated man
It could be that the kid flash costume could be a prototype suit or a test suit like the costume Barry wore when testing his powers in the flash tv show
My guess is that’s Roadrunner’s feather
My theory on the Garrick helmet: there was a justice league episode where the heroes except Batman and Superman get “transported” to a comic book world with heroes similar to the JSA. These were actual comic book heroes in the DCAU.
The show focused on Stewart’s fandom of the characters and the influence, but it’s highly possible based on wally’s character he was influenced as well.
While the Jay Garrick stand-in didn’t wear the trademark helmet, instead sporting something similar to a baseball helmet, it is entirely possible that in his comics he wore that helmet as a variation to the costume
Ehhhhhhh it’s a bit of a stretch
@@dcauwatchtower speaking of stretch, where's Elongated Man in the Flash museum?
I got distracted by seeing the Sonic shelf, good taste.
I'm here for the DCAU content, but your hair looks phenomenal
I like that Mattie has Sonic games on the shelf during this video about another Speedster.
What if there was a crossover just like the Batman vs TMNT animated movie
@Levi Church r/wooooooshhhh
I think when it comes to the DCAU has them all secretly cannon , but have to introduce them eventually . If more comics come out introducing other characters into the DCAU cannon then there’s the proof . Jason Todd and Deathstroke are now cannon in the universe .
I love this channel,the dcau is love,the dcau is life...
I would sell my right leg to make a DCAU Flash cartoon. I want a version of Zoom (Hunter Zolomon flavour) because I think he'd be a perfect character contrast to the DCAU version of Wally who is more laid back and slackery than the comic version. plus it'd be so sick to build him up over say a season and then do a big two parter where Zoom goes full nightmare fuel and ruins Wally's life to make him a "better hero".
3:20
Flash in the background
“Aw yeah, It’s big brain time!”
While canonically they're probably just references and not literal items in the museum (unless flash at some point wore the helmet and costume before deciding on the red one), but I like to think that if we got more JLU, Flash would've been explored more and maybe these characters would either come into existence or be explained somehow. At the very least Jay Gerrick or The Reverse Flash probably would have appeared in a theoretical 4th season since they're the most popular flash-centric things
I like to think that the Kid Flash suit was Wally’s first suit. And if we’re going to talk about hair, the Kid Flash suit’s cowl made the wearer’s hair visible and able to stand up. While the Flash suit’s cowl would naturally make their hair flat which could be why Wally’s hair is flat. Then again it’s just a theory.
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 I did not take that into account so that just disproved my theory.
When I said first suit I meant prototype but that doesn’t help my theory.
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I mean I didn't see any real major hair differences in the Kid Flash costumes plus it would make sense since that Kid Flash costume looks like it was worn by an older Wally West (probably while Barry was still around) so it would make sense for the hair to be slightly different, I know my hair has changed a lot over the years
Nice work Mattie and WTDB! You went the extra mile (🥁) and covered all 3 DCAU Flash museums, even though two of them don't even count! You guys are nothing if not thorough. Anyways, in regards to the Kid Flash costume, I (likely in my then never-ending apologetic quest to confirm Teen Titans as part of the DCAU) had always attributed it to Wally, as a former identity. This is mainly on the basis that most of the things in this museum are an homage to Wally's Flash and that the height of the manneuqin stands about even with Wally in the present as the Flash, suggesting he possibly aged out of the role. Also, the fact that it's on display suggests that whoever wore said suit has moved on and the mantle has been retired (ala the display cases in Batman Beyond). While it is possible that their is an adult-age Bart Allen Kid Flash, now possibly Impulse, in the DCAU, it seems more likely, given JLU (tie-in comic) incorporating Jay as the first Flash that Wally took on the name KF, before being eventually given the full-on Flash mantle from Jay. It's a bit dicey, I know, and there's the statement from Dwayne McDuffie that seems to contradict the JLU issue, but there is nothing on-screen to contradict the tie-in comic's cannonicity, so I think this theory could work. Just my thoughts; what do you all think?
All stuff to look into for future videos!
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great job on covering the flash museum of the dcau man really great :).
This channel is so good
Well, that helmet was based of the helmet of Hermes, messenger of the gods who can also run really fast, so it doesn't necessarily mean Jay Garrick, but we'd all be disappointed if it didn't.
Edit: I didn't even need to comment this, dammit!
Is it bad of me that I just assumed Flash and Kid Flash had a switcheroo? Like Barry's the young one now. Sorta like how Kyle got Hals origin.
Why, those purple items obviously belong to the famous and real Purple People Beater, you fake fan!
come on brother we are all true DC fans here
This show made me love comics specifically Wally West I would love to see a history of Wally video
The purple suit kind of looks like a Tornado Twins suit. I see literally no way that the Tornado Twins would be in the DCAU, but it does look like one of Don or Dawn's suits.
Wait but Jenni Ognats exists in the tie-in comics so Tornado Twins could possibly exist?
Is that Vegeta figure up there because of his...Final Flash?
A DCAU and DBZ fan? I thought I was alone!
@Time Liege you're not really in a position to complain about weebs; we're all comic book nerds
Really liking the content
Purple feather could be from the trickster shoe
Flash! dun dun dun dun dun dun ah-uuuuuuuhhhhhhh. Oh, that Flash
That one strand of hair is pissing me off 😤
"Mattie Washburn our greatest hope"
Me: Your goddamn right.
Purple is now to Mattie as Yellow is to James
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I think Wally was kid flash and something happened to Barry for Wally to take his place as the flash
I would really love an origin movie for Hawkgirl coming to earth for the first time and deciding to be a superhero
Or a Batman episode where they did team up
The planet is a reference to an old atom and flash team up If i recall
What issue?!?!?1
2:50 Random theory, but what if we're seeing the DCAU from the viewpoint of an inhabitant rather than a reader? We see New Earth begin after Crisis... after Crisis. But it's canon they forget almost all of it other than broad strokes. But it's also canon that New Earth has a full history which predates its own birth. So, logically, if we were in the history of a post-reboot universe, it would get shaky with contradictions since it didn't actually happen in the universe it's in. It's canon that the way DC Comics' reboots work, the previous folded together timelines are not neatly folded at all. Taking a magnifying glass to the past reveals tons of holes in the new timeline, like the Hawks, which further extends to the beings which make up the fabric of the universe like The Endless. If a plot hole can be so big as to impact the Endless without it making the universe implode, it means any level of contradictions can exist in the past. So, all the non-canon can be canon despite later being impossible to rectify with canon because a reboot could have already happened in the future and we're seeing the pseudopast of the new timeline. If you saw the pre-Crisis part of the Post-Crisis timeline, it would be full of contradictions. If this is the pre-Crisis part of a Post-Crisis timeline, it would look exactly like this.
Okay, this is going to be very far fetched but think about it: the purple sphere world is from the thinker! If you think about it in the flash tv show (yes I know is unrelated) the thinkers main goal was to become the most intelligent man on the planet and had to activate a plan called “the enlightenment” which had a ton of satellites in atmosphere dumbing people dumb. It’s more complicated then that but I believe those purple spheres were caused by the thinker
What if Barry from this universe was reverse flash but still had the mirrored logo and he possibly went into the speedforce and was never seen again???? MAYBE?
The hair is similar to the Teen Titans kid flash but that's about it
I think that Barry existed at some point but died and wally took up the mantle. Leaving the kid flash costume for the museum
I just finished rewatching Justice League TAS a couple of days ago.
THE HAIR LOOKS SO COOL
At 8:08, the first appearance of the new house...I mean Watchtower that James broadcasts from! Mattie is obviously stationed in the Metro Tower. Ted...I guess is in Titans Tower, if this universe even has Titans. Am I right?
I actually have a copy of the first issue of Superman and Batman magazine.
I always thought that Jay Garrick’s helmet and Kid Flash’s costume were Wallys protosuits in the DCAU when he was starting out.
They could be!
It would make sense
The purple planet might be a model of Apokolips, with the nubby things being the fire pits. It looks off because it's a rendition by an artist who had very little information to work from.
Remember when links were in the sidebar? That was a long time ago, but what if they changed it again? Put it above or back on the side?
Don’t think I didn’t notice all that Blue Blur stuff in the background Mattie
Ayy im the 2nd to last new patron B) u got my name right the last time u pronounced it
Who did they make the check out to when flash got paid for that energy bar endorsement??
That purple planet is probably Alpha Centari....I mean did we ever see what that planet look like?
In universe: Flash early costumes.
Outside universe: Tribute by the crew
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Maybe his early costumes sucked?
He looked up the history of Hermes and decided to pay tribute to him.
He wore a mask in the Garrik's costume but the helmet didn't allow him to see properly.
He then came close to the original with the yellow costume but the color itself didn't suit him.
Also, if you are clearly an adult and call yourself "Kid flash" people will start to wonder if you are either lying or you are just too inmature.
Bad propaganda.
I say he had 3 or 4 adventures before he designed his final suit, then the city oficially recognized him as "The Flash, hero of Central city " when they figure out he wasn't like that "nuts" from Gotham city.
I personally believe that the Flash we meet in Speed Demons was Barry, and Wally was Kid Flash around that time. He took over as Flash sometime before Justice League premiered
Nope
@@dcauwatchtower would explain why they sound different. I’m just saying
Purple suit guy kinda looks like the Aquaman villain Fisherman
We really need a flash DCAU movie or show!
If you read the flash year one it proves that the Turtle is more of a threat than ever
Tystarr is just my first and middle name. I'm an artist as well on IG