Full disclosure I first thought wally was saying "there's a Forest, a speed forest." so I was imagining there was a place wide and open where speedsters could run free.
New head cannon. Every time a Flash / speedster is “lost in the speed force” it means they are dead. It’s just like the “special farm” I thought scruffy was taken to until I was 26…. SCRUFFY!!!!! NO!!!!!!
Agreed, I definitely would've liked to see the Flash family in the DCAU with such a show bringing in Barry, Jay and Bart (among others) alongside Wally.
Jarl Balgruuf A flash show would be good but IDK about a green lantern show. Johns constructs weren’t that creative and mainly consisted of shields and fists.
When the Speed Force was originally introduced, it was hinted that the Speed Force was literally created by Barry, who was stuck in a time loop where after dying he continually became the thunderbolt that created himself. And the Speed Force would just have been the residual energies of that multiplied by an infinite amount of repeated cycles. DC even once hinted that the Speed Force had at least some of Barry's persona when it sent lightning to save Wally from Zoom in The Return of Barry Allen. But all that has been retconned multiple times over. Too bad, because it's still the most interesting version.
If Bart Allen is somehow the Kid Flash of the DCAU wouldn't that automatically confirm the existence of Barry in some form? Also that opening bit was great. It's like you read my mind for all the inside jokes I have with my brother.
Again...maybe. Haha. We have no idea. Impulse might exist, but maybe his last name isn’t Allen. Maybe it is Allen, but Barry doesn’t exist, and someone else is his grandfather. It’s all up to whatever the DCAU creatives wanna do.
@@dcauwatchtower I'm almost certain that there will inevitably be a scene where we see all the other versions of the Flash much like how Jessica saw Hal and Guy.
Lightning feels like a positive addition to the Flash. It repusents his speed. Also it makes the lightning bults on his suite make even more sense. Aswell as a nice visial que and reminder of the the Speed Force at play.
The flash, and especially wally west flash has always weirdly been able to go as fast as he wants and believes he can, to a greater degree than pretry much any other flash. This means in comics and most media he subconsciously slows himself down to be slower than barry, and about as fast as superman. So wally just thinking if he goes that fast he will disappear is actually what would make that happen. Its why after he finally confronts that side of himself that he is able to phase dimensions and time without using the treadmill , walk on air molecules and run in space, yet still be afraid of going too fast which keeps him from being in more than place at once and slow enough to race supes, he is always afraid he wont be able to slow down which was addressed in an episode
Concerning the Kid Flash costume in the Flash Museum, maybe it's Wally's first costume as the Flash before going to his modern-day all red suit. Like Batman in BTAS, where he did have a different costume prior to the events in the cartoon.
It's truly moving how many times the narrator have to say say "unfortunately this might or might not be canon" after a ton of research. Geez, dc lore is chaos and it takes dedication to figure out logic in it.
He does have the speedforce he just wasnt moving fast enough and he did when he completed recked brainiaclex and in the flash season 1 episode1 when he had just started out useing his speed he did not have lightning he gained a lightning trailer over time as he got faster in the episode I am referring is season 1 episode 1 were he has a red/yellow wind trail thing no lightning maybe wally is juts to afraid of going that fast because he could get trapped in the speedforce
I think the Speed Force dose exist in the DCAU..... it's just that it's existence and the details behind it were non-factors in any story we have ever seen from the DCAU (not counting giving the Flash his powers and that one post Luthor's defeat scene), and because explaining it didn't help move the story along or fleshing out a character... they just never did so it wouldn't hurt the pacing.
While the Speed Force wasn't named until Wally Flash run, the Flash writers toyed with the idea of what's the nature of his powers for some time. Professor Zoom, specifically, originally had no powers, aside from the use of the Flash's recolored suit, which, as he noted, was surrounded by "irradiated particles" that allowed the Flash to achieve impossible speeds. Zoom and Flash applied these "radiation" factor similarly to what would later become Speed Force tricks: manipulating each other's speed, stopping in tracks, breaking the barrier of time etc.
When McDuffy said Flash and Kid Flash I think he meant that Barry was Flash and Wally was Kid Flash at some point more of a over all time there have only been the two (maybe Bart is KF now idk)
Sales Pitch "We will proofread scripts and check for cannon errors, we will answer all cannon questions at cons. You will never have to directly deal with continuity again besides what you write and you will never need to answer a question again." It would be a relief from a personal purgatory for him.
Thank you for the explanation of The Speed Force. In the JLA And AVENGERS team up, Flash had trouble because he did not have a connection to the Speed Force...like in the Flashpoint storyline, where he was not connected.
12:20 TBF if they put wally at his full power on the DCAU like his comic book conterpart, most of the episodes will be like 3 minutes long (same applies to superman)
I kind of like the speed force as like some sort of super saiyan thing. It'd be cool to have a JLU movie that's focused on the Flash where he has to master the speed force, or at least be able to use it once in a while without being sucked in. It'd be great character development and a nice little power boost for our boy.
I guess coming up with the Speed Force (which came up after my time) was a way to make his speed "more realistic" the way they eventually said Marvel's size-changers "traded mass with another dimension" and that the Microverse wasn't microscopic at all but some side/pocket dimension. I originally got annoyed by it all, but now know its no different then Superman's strength and all changing from Golden Age's simplistic "Planet if super men" explanation to "yellow sun radiation". Always changing it up. I wonder if someday solid light manipulation science will make Green Lantern's power be completely reexplained? Or successful parallel universe travel will make the Multiverse stories seem quaint?
The way I've always heard about it, the speed force is the cosmic force that governs all momentum in the universe which is why the flash can do things like absorb people's momentum to cancel there's out thus making being carried by him safe when you suddenly comes to an abrupt halt, phase through things by accelerating his molecules, and multiply his Mass infinitely to sucker punch the brainiacs straight out of lex luthor
Long ago, there were variety of speedster. Then, everything change when the rogue attack. Only the chosen speedster, master of the speed force can stop them. But when the world needed them the most, they vanish. 100 years have past and a new speedster is born, Danica Williams. And although her speed is great, she still has before she can save anyone. Introducing The Legend of Danica Williams
Not to be that guy, but... The DCAU doesn’t exist as part of the DC Comics multiverse, and neither does the Arrowverse or the DCEU. Whether those three are part of the same multiverse is yet to be seen (#RosenbaumFlashForCrisis). So they wouldn’t use the same Speed Force, and quite possibly don’t have a multiversal constant Speed Force Wall. (Sorry, I’m a big nerd for the multiverse and it’s inner workings 😅)
I'm the same way. I get annoyed when people don't realize that there's only 52 Earth's in their main multiverse. Though as of Doomsday Clock technically all realities exist but it's very confusing right now. One thing for sure is that not every speed force is the same
@@pickedceasar1216 this is what happens when you have a finite number to your multiverse and then keep referencing other universe that don't exist in your multiverse
@@conradlorgar5508 I've always been annoyed by DC's lack of understanding of what infinite really is. Though at least currently it seems they're embracing a more Marvel styled Multiverse
It's plausible for Bart to exist without Barry since Bart was on Smallville (and confirmed to be from the future in Season 11 Argo) and Barry never appears, but is mentioned to exist sometime in the future
I think he does too to the simple fact that without at the atmosphere would ignite the speed force is the type of plaster you can put over actual real-world physics
I honestly would only care about the speed force being explored further in the DCAU if it was used to expand Wally's corner of it by introducing other members of the Flash family, e.g Barry, Jay, Bart, Jesse Quick etc as well as the speed related villains, rather than just make him more powerful.
If the flash's cells are constantly charged and refreshing like the sped up healing some versions of Flash show do those Flash's have significantly extended natural lifespans since their body wont break down overtime the same way ours normally do? Like is a speedster basically a round eared Elf?
Plot twist - Thawne erased one timeline (with Titans, Wally-Kid Flash, Impulse, Brotherhood of Evil, Deathstroke, yadda-yadda) to cancel Barry`s (but not The Flash) existence and created DCAU timeline, but get stucked in the negative Speed Force. So, Chronos made up with timeline once, some alterations were created(like Kid Flash costume or Barry Allen never being The Flash), and we can get the return of Professor Zoom now.
In the beginning of the flash tv show, Barry ran without lightning trailing behind him, so maybe running with just an afterimage and no lightning means your still fast, but not as fast as you could be. So dcau Wally would so get wrecked against any lightning producing speedster
@@dcauwatchtower My understanding is that Lex and Brainiac were fused at the molecular level, meaning that in order for for Wally to get them apart he would have to be phasing through Lex's particles, but not Brainiac's. How do you guys see it happening?
Ah yeah, I mean when separating them sure. I thought you meant when slamming into him while running. Though I guess that could be partial phasing too to separate Luthor and Brainiac.
@@dcauwatchtower yeah that's what I mean. Obviously some force was being imparted into Braintor while he was running around the world, but the chunks coming off him lead me to believe that he is phasing through.
The speed force exists outside of the 3rd dimension , So it’s generated throughout time as well . So even if Barry dies it will still exist present , past and future . Hope that makes sense
What if the suit in the flash museum was Wally's first suit. Like his trial suit that was a prototype to his current one. The kid flash that Dwayne McDuffie referenced could be that bart allen pilot kid flash or it could have been another speedster character that was wally's sidekick for a while. Personally i like the first one the most.
Okay, So to understand which Flash is which is the belt, also, that comic, JL Adventures, that’s Zoom, look at the eyes, The Flash belt is the signifier of who they are, if it’s pointing down, it’s Wally, if it just wraps around him, it’s Barry
The DCAU sure is a fine saga, but I can easily admit that Batman not having armor-plated suits with glider capes, Superman being quite commonly fazed by explosions and lasers, the second Robin and Nightwing having no bo staff and escrimas respectively, and the Flash not having lighting spreads during superspeed can weird out newbies nowadays. Could be possible that a Kid Flash with the first name of Bart (but not necessarily an Allen) is a Titan in the DCAU working alongside Tim Drake Robin, Speedy, Beast Boy, and quite possibly a female Cyborg (a Victoria Stone, logically speaking). Would rather think that Wally West in the Batman Beyond timeline as not unlike his godlike (yet implyingly stark naked) Kingdom Come self. In conclusion, am still of the opinion that Barry Allen became one with Speed Force after a brutal battle against the now erased Reverse-Flash. Still no huge clue on Jay Garrick's whereabouts, however that may be in DCAU existence terms. Oh, and don't sell yourselves to DC and Warner Bros., WD. *We don't want another Warhammer 40K: Astartes shiteshow.*
There's simply many different interpretations of the same concept across the media. The original speed force was accidentally created by Barry Allen and its a source of power , in New 52 speed force is also a physical place where people can be trapped.... Its no much to think about.
You should definitely watch the CW shows, they're the only other connected universe that has been consistently well received by critics that DC owns (the other being the DCAU).
I mean the show already introduced the speed force. They should at least go back to the idea again. It's weird knowing back then the characters the used was the current state of those characters back then. But since Barry is back and such it was kinda weird knowing Wally is the only speedster apparently.
For sure. I didn’t watch any of last season across any of the shows, except the Elseworlds crossover. I’ll likely be doing the same this coming season(s), but part of me wishes I’d held out for just one more season before giving up so I could finish Arrow completely. Oh, well.
Wait a minute! There's a Kid Flash in the DCAU!? There was never any reference to there being a Kid Flash in JL or JLU. The DCAU Flash is an amalgamization of Barry Allen and Wally West. Wally West got his powers as an adult; and judging by how he acts, he never had a mentor in this universe. The only times we ever really saw anyone else with super speed were with the Streak from the Justice Guild dimension whose dead, and Impulse from the Justice League test footage which isn't canon. Was there some sort of unproduced episode that shows this Kid Flash? Why would a writer of a show make a claim that has no evidence in the show itself, and actually leans towards contradicting it? It would be like claiming that the John Stewart Green Lantern has a sidekick despite there being nothing to show for that. Those references in the Flash Museum to the comic book aspects of the Flash like Jay Garrick's helmet and comic book Wally West Kid Flash costume were just references for fun. It doesn't necessarily mean that they mean the same thing or have the same context as the source material. For all we know, DCAU Wally West went through a couple of costume designs before settling on the scarlet suit. Also, on those DCAU tie-in comics, while I do thank you guys for doing your research on this subject, I think that they are far more trouble than there worth. Most of the time, they have different writers than the show, have no contact with them, end up being contradicted because the show writers don't care about them and aren't beholden to them (nor should they be), and just considered tie-in material that isn't even canon to begin with. It gets even worse when you have writers for these tie-in comics who don't do their research on the show or are lazy and try to put in lore or other comic book aspects from the source material into the show despite it having a good chance of contradicting the show, and without even bothering to think if it would do more harm than good.
On the latter subject, that’s definitely the case with the JL Adventures and JLU comics. The rest of the DCAU tie-ins actually work pretty dang well and often fill in holes in the timeline or storylines.
@Will N Thanks for reminding me about those explanations for those costumes. On the subject of a possible DCAU Kid Flash though, my complaint isn't the fact that this version of Kid Flash isn't Bart; my complaint is the fact there is supposedly a Kid Flash in the DCAU period when there is absolutely nothing to suggest that at all in JL or JLU. To me it requires a bit too much suspension of disbelief that what would be a big aspect of Flash's life or a big change in it if this Kid Flash didn't come until after the Justice League forms would go completely unmentioned and not even implied to even exist at all during the events of the show.
Because Flash embodies speed no villain would be able to top any amount of speed he has other than what's necessarily reasonable. If he went just under the speed of light that would still be fast enough, hell, the speed of sound/mach + (1,2,3,4,5, etc) would be fast enough so idk what they're explanation for that is. Also what is is top speed in the DCAU?
I always felt like the heroes were all somewhat nerfed in JL/JLU just to keep the scaling all relatively within reason for the characters to be able to reasonably fight the same villains together. Like, it'd be no good if superman could one shot everyone and anyone he couldn't one shot could one shot batman or other non-super powered heroes in their universe. Like, realistically, if someone was strong enough to contend with Superman, they should be able to take out normal humans with a flick of the wrist
honestly if only they used this in Young justice...i mean dont get me wrong i am thrilled that Young justice returned but the 3rd season's plot was so... lackluster
so I was watching the jokers millions and Bruce Wayne said to the fake joker it was about a month since they last saw one another that he had to jump off a building so is the world's finest episode superman the animated series a mouth before jokers millions?
8:26 Actually none of those universes exist in the Local DC Comics Multiverse and there is more than one according to The Empty Hand in Multiversity. Of course the DCAU could be in there as Earth 12 but you guys keep saying it’s not canon so probably not. More evidence is that CW shows have their own Multiverse with their own Monitor, rules, universe numbers etc. Young Justice’s source wall isn’t broken like in (Scott) Snyder’s JL where it’s shown that ALL of the Multiverse is affected AND Multiversity designates Earth-Me as Earth 16. So no, they don’t have the same Speed Force. JLA/Avengers previously confirmed that Speed Force users don’t have their speed outside of their local Multiverse as well. So in the end, there is likely a separate DCAU Multiverse and Speed Force.
Will N either way that would put CW, Young Justice, Brave and the Bold, and the real DCAU as fictional/non-existent within the Comic Multiverse as of present and ever since Post-Flashpoint. Unless you’re fine with treating all of those as completely fictional to the fictional, they must then exist somewhere else.
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“Wait is Wally dead by Batman Beyond ?!”
Dude, I’m more considered why Bart, the kid, is dead !
Will N still screwed up that a kid, like at most like 14 years old, is apparently dead
Bart Allen is, in comics and the young justice show at least, barry allens great grandson from the future
Full disclosure I first thought wally was saying "there's a Forest, a speed forest." so I was imagining there was a place wide and open where speedsters could run free.
Forests aren't generally wide or open
that is hilarious
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE! What makes it weirder is that I KNEW about the speed force but just assumed the speed forest was its own thing!
@@thedamnedandenlighted496 thank you!
New head cannon. Every time a Flash / speedster is “lost in the speed force” it means they are dead. It’s just like the “special farm” I thought scruffy was taken to until I was 26…. SCRUFFY!!!!! NO!!!!!!
"wait is Wally dead by Batman Beyond time!?" right afterward I got an add that started with, "and here comes your depression"
hahahahaha
I wasn’t sure before but know I know, Flash run good
Gotta go good!
Goodly
Would’ve been cool if the flash got his own DCAU show.
And green lantern.
Agreed, I definitely would've liked to see the Flash family in the DCAU with such a show bringing in Barry, Jay and Bart (among others) alongside Wally.
Jarl Balgruuf A flash show would be good but IDK about a green lantern show. Johns constructs weren’t that creative and mainly consisted of shields and fists.
Ummm there is a Green Lantern Animated Series.
Michael Ashryver Not DCAU-confirmed.
Kaena Choo Kyle, though
When the Speed Force was originally introduced, it was hinted that the Speed Force was literally created by Barry, who was stuck in a time loop where after dying he continually became the thunderbolt that created himself. And the Speed Force would just have been the residual energies of that multiplied by an infinite amount of repeated cycles. DC even once hinted that the Speed Force had at least some of Barry's persona when it sent lightning to save Wally from Zoom in The Return of Barry Allen. But all that has been retconned multiple times over. Too bad, because it's still the most interesting version.
I've seen the Speed Force mentioned in everything Flash. So knowing how this realm that only speedsters can access is awesome! Keep it up!
Thanks for the continued encouragement as always, Kendrick!
If Bart Allen is somehow the Kid Flash of the DCAU wouldn't that automatically confirm the existence of Barry in some form? Also that opening bit was great. It's like you read my mind for all the inside jokes I have with my brother.
Maybe! But not necessarily. Kyle Rayner took Hal Jordan’s origin in this universe, so anything’s possible.
@@dcauwatchtower fair enough.
Watchtower Database I mean that confirms that Barry exist, but it doesn’t necessarily mean he was ever the Flash.
Again...maybe. Haha. We have no idea. Impulse might exist, but maybe his last name isn’t Allen. Maybe it is Allen, but Barry doesn’t exist, and someone else is his grandfather. It’s all up to whatever the DCAU creatives wanna do.
@@dcauwatchtower I'm almost certain that there will inevitably be a scene where we see all the other versions of the Flash much like how Jessica saw Hal and Guy.
There's a reason you guys are my favorite DCAU channel. Because you're the only one, really.
And because you're the funniest and most informative.
Danica Williams was actually referenced in the CW series fifth season.
7:38 Dood, I consider that every single day. And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense
Lightning feels like a positive addition to the Flash. It repusents his speed. Also it makes the lightning bults on his suite make even more sense. Aswell as a nice visial que and reminder of the the Speed Force at play.
The flash, and especially wally west flash has always weirdly been able to go as fast as he wants and believes he can, to a greater degree than pretry much any other flash. This means in comics and most media he subconsciously slows himself down to be slower than barry, and about as fast as superman. So wally just thinking if he goes that fast he will disappear is actually what would make that happen. Its why after he finally confronts that side of himself that he is able to phase dimensions and time without using the treadmill , walk on air molecules and run in space, yet still be afraid of going too fast which keeps him from being in more than place at once and slow enough to race supes, he is always afraid he wont be able to slow down which was addressed in an episode
Concerning the Kid Flash costume in the Flash Museum, maybe it's Wally's first costume as the Flash before going to his modern-day all red suit. Like Batman in BTAS, where he did have a different costume prior to the events in the cartoon.
Very possible!
Watchtower wants Warrner bros to hire them. Yet I want Watchtower to hire me.
It's truly moving how many times the narrator have to say say "unfortunately this might or might not be canon" after a ton of research. Geez, dc lore is chaos and it takes dedication to figure out logic in it.
will you guys evolve into the "The Source Wall database"?
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i liked the idea that the speed force was like the matrix of leadership, that all dead flashs are absorbed into and live on as part of the speed force
He does have the speedforce he just wasnt moving fast enough and he did when he completed recked brainiaclex and in the flash season 1 episode1 when he had just started out useing his speed he did not have lightning he gained a lightning trailer over time as he got faster in the episode I am referring is season 1 episode 1 were he has a red/yellow wind trail thing no lightning maybe wally is juts to afraid of going that fast because he could get trapped in the speedforce
I think the Speed Force dose exist in the DCAU..... it's just that it's existence and the details behind it were non-factors in any story we have ever seen from the DCAU (not counting giving the Flash his powers and that one post Luthor's defeat scene), and because explaining it didn't help move the story along or fleshing out a character... they just never did so it wouldn't hurt the pacing.
While the Speed Force wasn't named until Wally Flash run, the Flash writers toyed with the idea of what's the nature of his powers for some time. Professor Zoom, specifically, originally had no powers, aside from the use of the Flash's recolored suit, which, as he noted, was surrounded by "irradiated particles" that allowed the Flash to achieve impossible speeds. Zoom and Flash applied these "radiation" factor similarly to what would later become Speed Force tricks: manipulating each other's speed, stopping in tracks, breaking the barrier of time etc.
Ok but that concept of the Black Flash hunting Wally for escaping the speed force sounds like a pretty dope episode
Bad Idea Boss that’s black flash
When McDuffy said Flash and Kid Flash I think he meant that Barry was Flash and Wally was Kid Flash at some point more of a over all time there have only been the two (maybe Bart is KF now idk)
Sales Pitch "We will proofread scripts and check for cannon errors, we will answer all cannon questions at cons. You will never have to directly deal with continuity again besides what you write and you will never need to answer a question again." It would be a relief from a personal purgatory for him.
That moment when you make the credits for being a patron contributor 🙌🏾
God damn that's a nice thumbnail
I always thought the flash from STAS was Barry Allen because of different voice actor and slight change in the art style
Nope, officially Wally in his bio from the show.
Dude the puns are great you should say them without getting embarrassed they’re great
Thank you for the explanation of The Speed Force.
In the JLA And AVENGERS team up, Flash had trouble because he did not have a connection to the Speed Force...like in the Flashpoint storyline, where he was not connected.
Jokes on you I already watch and a subscriber to Comic Books vs The World
Why is this channel criminally underrated?
Great job on the speed force guys
12:20
TBF if they put wally at his full power on the DCAU like his comic book conterpart, most of the episodes will be like 3 minutes long (same applies to superman)
I wonder why they didn't do that 🤔almost like power scaling is less important than writing good stories
6:15 and I’ll be waiting. It’ll be the biggest Will it Canon yet.
I like how flash simultaneously made the speed force and uses it for his powers lol.
*TIME MANIPULATION SHENANIGANS*
I kind of like the speed force as like some sort of super saiyan thing.
It'd be cool to have a JLU movie that's focused on the Flash where he has to master the speed force, or at least be able to use it once in a while without being sucked in. It'd be great character development and a nice little power boost for our boy.
Great video and thumbnail!
I think the DCAU needs the Speed Force, especially if it’s an episode involving the Flash.
I read that comic where wally disguises himself as warp when I was like, 7, that brought back so many memories
I couldn't help to think about Toy Galaxy after minute 7:55 😂 same music
Same here
i read that issue of justice league adventures as a kid
I guess coming up with the Speed Force (which came up after my time) was a way to make his speed "more realistic" the way they eventually said Marvel's size-changers "traded mass with another dimension" and that the Microverse wasn't microscopic at all but some side/pocket dimension. I originally got annoyed by it all, but now know its no different then Superman's strength and all changing from Golden Age's simplistic "Planet if super men" explanation to "yellow sun radiation". Always changing it up. I wonder if someday solid light manipulation science will make Green Lantern's power be completely reexplained? Or successful parallel universe travel will make the Multiverse stories seem quaint?
That young justice joke killed me.
It killed Wally too
@@dcauwatchtower god damnit.
The way I've always heard about it, the speed force is the cosmic force that governs all momentum in the universe which is why the flash can do things like absorb people's momentum to cancel there's out thus making being carried by him safe when you suddenly comes to an abrupt halt, phase through things by accelerating his molecules, and multiply his Mass infinitely to sucker punch the brainiacs straight out of lex luthor
Long ago, there were variety of speedster. Then, everything change when the rogue attack. Only the chosen speedster, master of the speed force can stop them. But when the world needed them the most, they vanish. 100 years have past and a new speedster is born, Danica Williams. And although her speed is great, she still has before she can save anyone.
Introducing The Legend of Danica Williams
Quality opening congrats *applauds*
Not to be that guy, but...
The DCAU doesn’t exist as part of the DC Comics multiverse, and neither does the Arrowverse or the DCEU. Whether those three are part of the same multiverse is yet to be seen (#RosenbaumFlashForCrisis). So they wouldn’t use the same Speed Force, and quite possibly don’t have a multiversal constant Speed Force Wall.
(Sorry, I’m a big nerd for the multiverse and it’s inner workings 😅)
Oh, totally! Not saying that’s for sure the case, just a theory, and “possible.”
I'm the same way. I get annoyed when people don't realize that there's only 52 Earth's in their main multiverse. Though as of Doomsday Clock technically all realities exist but it's very confusing right now.
One thing for sure is that not every speed force is the same
@@pickedceasar1216 this is what happens when you have a finite number to your multiverse and then keep referencing other universe that don't exist in your multiverse
@@conradlorgar5508 I've always been annoyed by DC's lack of understanding of what infinite really is. Though at least currently it seems they're embracing a more Marvel styled Multiverse
It's plausible for Bart to exist without Barry since Bart was on Smallville (and confirmed to be from the future in Season 11 Argo) and Barry never appears, but is mentioned to exist sometime in the future
"Liquidate the Watchtower Database in favor of something bigger, something better"? Hall of Justice Database confirmed?
8:00 Surprise cameo from Toy Galaxy
12:40 I was thinking it's because the more you talk about the Speed Force, the more you have to talk about the Speed Force.
I think he does too to the simple fact that without at the atmosphere would ignite the speed force is the type of plaster you can put over actual real-world physics
I honestly would only care about the speed force being explored further in the DCAU if it was used to expand Wally's corner of it by introducing other members of the Flash family, e.g Barry, Jay, Bart, Jesse Quick etc as well as the speed related villains, rather than just make him more powerful.
If the flash's cells are constantly charged and refreshing like the sped up healing some versions of Flash show do those Flash's have significantly extended natural lifespans since their body wont break down overtime the same way ours normally do?
Like is a speedster basically a round eared Elf?
Hello yes, 2 years into the future here! Young Justice Wally episode please because they will NOT stop teasing his return.
Plot twist - Thawne erased one timeline (with Titans, Wally-Kid Flash, Impulse, Brotherhood of Evil, Deathstroke, yadda-yadda) to cancel Barry`s (but not The Flash) existence and created DCAU timeline, but get stucked in the negative Speed Force. So, Chronos made up with timeline once, some alterations were created(like Kid Flash costume or Barry Allen never being The Flash), and we can get the return of Professor Zoom now.
I remember Flash tapping into the speed force to defeat Luthor/Braniac
"Running so ridiculously goodly"
In the beginning of the flash tv show, Barry ran without lightning trailing behind him, so maybe running with just an afterimage and no lightning means your still fast, but not as fast as you could be. So dcau Wally would so get wrecked against any lightning producing speedster
Fun fact: if Wally weren't phasing through Lex, he would be hitting him with enough force to level a city block. Like, kilotons of force.
I don’t think he was phasing through him!
@@dcauwatchtower My understanding is that Lex and Brainiac were fused at the molecular level, meaning that in order for for Wally to get them apart he would have to be phasing through Lex's particles, but not Brainiac's. How do you guys see it happening?
Ah yeah, I mean when separating them sure. I thought you meant when slamming into him while running. Though I guess that could be partial phasing too to separate Luthor and Brainiac.
@@dcauwatchtower yeah that's what I mean. Obviously some force was being imparted into Braintor while he was running around the world, but the chunks coming off him lead me to believe that he is phasing through.
I think he hit with Infinite Mass Punch. Normally it would kill Luthor but you know cartoon show.
12:47
Nice.
Maaan I HATE schwoopy stuff...now SPOOKY stuff, that's my jam.
So if flash since he’s the fuel of the speed force dies,
Does that mean the speed force has limited energy?
The speed force exists outside of the 3rd dimension , So it’s generated throughout time as well . So even if Barry dies it will still exist present , past and future . Hope that makes sense
4:55 Batman: You have super strength goddamit! Do it better!
What if the suit in the flash museum was Wally's first suit. Like his trial suit that was a prototype to his current one. The kid flash that Dwayne McDuffie referenced could be that bart allen pilot kid flash or it could have been another speedster character that was wally's sidekick for a while. Personally i like the first one the most.
Okay, So to understand which Flash is which is the belt, also, that comic, JL Adventures, that’s Zoom, look at the eyes, The Flash belt is the signifier of who they are, if it’s pointing down, it’s Wally, if it just wraps around him, it’s Barry
K well in that comic they specifically call him Eobard Thawne.
Watchtower Database oh okay...Now I have a suit to get mad over ...
Honestly I want them to just retcon alot of things
(e.g. Change DCAU Tim Drake's name into Jason Todd so we can get real Tim)
The thumbnails back Yay
13:09 James no! Don’t mention that comic!
*THAT FLASH IS BARRY ALLEN*
“Like a mystery” “Weesnaw”
Gotta go fast!
The DCAU sure is a fine saga, but I can easily admit that Batman not having armor-plated suits with glider capes, Superman being quite commonly fazed by explosions and lasers, the second Robin and Nightwing having no bo staff and escrimas respectively, and the Flash not having lighting spreads during superspeed can weird out newbies nowadays.
Could be possible that a Kid Flash with the first name of Bart (but not necessarily an Allen) is a Titan in the DCAU working alongside Tim Drake Robin, Speedy, Beast Boy, and quite possibly a female Cyborg (a Victoria Stone, logically speaking).
Would rather think that Wally West in the Batman Beyond timeline as not unlike his godlike (yet implyingly stark naked) Kingdom Come self.
In conclusion, am still of the opinion that Barry Allen became one with Speed Force after a brutal battle against the now erased Reverse-Flash. Still no huge clue on Jay Garrick's whereabouts, however that may be in DCAU existence terms.
Oh, and don't sell yourselves to DC and Warner Bros., WD. *We don't want another Warhammer 40K: Astartes shiteshow.*
There's simply many different interpretations of the same concept across the media. The original speed force was accidentally created by Barry Allen and its a source of power , in New 52 speed force is also a physical place where people can be trapped.... Its no much to think about.
You should definitely watch the CW shows, they're the only other connected universe that has been consistently well received by critics that DC owns (the other being the DCAU).
I mean the show already introduced the speed force. They should at least go back to the idea again. It's weird knowing back then the characters the used was the current state of those characters back then. But since Barry is back and such it was kinda weird knowing Wally is the only speedster apparently.
Oh man he was almost running at the speed of light
You really don't need to catch up on thr CW shows. Maybe just tune in for the crisis on infinite earth's event.
For sure. I didn’t watch any of last season across any of the shows, except the Elseworlds crossover. I’ll likely be doing the same this coming season(s), but part of me wishes I’d held out for just one more season before giving up so I could finish Arrow completely. Oh, well.
"run good"
Wait a minute! There's a Kid Flash in the DCAU!? There was never any reference to there being a Kid Flash in JL or JLU. The DCAU Flash is an amalgamization of Barry Allen and Wally West. Wally West got his powers as an adult; and judging by how he acts, he never had a mentor in this universe. The only times we ever really saw anyone else with super speed were with the Streak from the Justice Guild dimension whose dead, and Impulse from the Justice League test footage which isn't canon. Was there some sort of unproduced episode that shows this Kid Flash? Why would a writer of a show make a claim that has no evidence in the show itself, and actually leans towards contradicting it? It would be like claiming that the John Stewart Green Lantern has a sidekick despite there being nothing to show for that.
Those references in the Flash Museum to the comic book aspects of the Flash like Jay Garrick's helmet and comic book Wally West Kid Flash costume were just references for fun. It doesn't necessarily mean that they mean the same thing or have the same context as the source material. For all we know, DCAU Wally West went through a couple of costume designs before settling on the scarlet suit.
Also, on those DCAU tie-in comics, while I do thank you guys for doing your research on this subject, I think that they are far more trouble than there worth. Most of the time, they have different writers than the show, have no contact with them, end up being contradicted because the show writers don't care about them and aren't beholden to them (nor should they be), and just considered tie-in material that isn't even canon to begin with. It gets even worse when you have writers for these tie-in comics who don't do their research on the show or are lazy and try to put in lore or other comic book aspects from the source material into the show despite it having a good chance of contradicting the show, and without even bothering to think if it would do more harm than good.
On the latter subject, that’s definitely the case with the JL Adventures and JLU comics. The rest of the DCAU tie-ins actually work pretty dang well and often fill in holes in the timeline or storylines.
@@dcauwatchtower ^
@Will N Thanks for reminding me about those explanations for those costumes. On the subject of a possible DCAU Kid Flash though, my complaint isn't the fact that this version of Kid Flash isn't Bart; my complaint is the fact there is supposedly a Kid Flash in the DCAU period when there is absolutely nothing to suggest that at all in JL or JLU.
To me it requires a bit too much suspension of disbelief that what would be a big aspect of Flash's life or a big change in it if this Kid Flash didn't come until after the Justice League forms would go completely unmentioned and not even implied to even exist at all during the events of the show.
He needs the speedforce force to be explained more in the DCAU
Because Flash embodies speed no villain would be able to top any amount of speed he has other than what's necessarily reasonable. If he went just under the speed of light that would still be fast enough, hell, the speed of sound/mach + (1,2,3,4,5, etc) would be fast enough so idk what they're explanation for that is. Also what is is top speed in the DCAU?
Comic Books vs The World did a great video on that last part!
Isn't Death part of the Speed Force?
I always felt like the heroes were all somewhat nerfed in JL/JLU just to keep the scaling all relatively within reason for the characters to be able to reasonably fight the same villains together. Like, it'd be no good if superman could one shot everyone and anyone he couldn't one shot could one shot batman or other non-super powered heroes in their universe. Like, realistically, if someone was strong enough to contend with Superman, they should be able to take out normal humans with a flick of the wrist
No, you don't need to catch up with the CW shows. :)
Well, maybe season 5 because Nora is a mega qt...but that's all
The speed force is the DC writers " get out of jail" free card.
I want a DCAU flash movie I’m in the works for a script well in my head
Enigma? The Riddler's daughter that was his sidekick before switching sides to become a Teen Titan?
Are you telling me that the daughter of Riddler uses a codename that is just the word her father's name is a pun on?
@@ianfinrir8724 Up until he shot her, yeah.
honestly if only they used this in Young justice...i mean dont get me wrong i am thrilled that Young justice returned but the 3rd season's plot was so... lackluster
I wish that Hunter Zolomon appears in the series
Can you guys talk about who the Red X is in Teen Titans like maybe Jason Todd, Grant Wilson, or someone else.
Leave the power calculations to death battle
Kid-flash suit 6:05
Yes. I put it there.
we need a new DC animated universe... TV Shows
Please do a video on the still force.
Doesn’t ever show up in the DCAU 🤷🏼♀️
Thumbs up for Yul Brynner!
The man himself
"So let it be written, so let it be done."
so I was watching the jokers millions and Bruce Wayne said to the fake joker it was about a month since they last saw one another that he had to jump off a building so is the world's finest episode superman the animated series a mouth before jokers millions?
Yep!
Ok thanks just wanted to make sure
8:26 Actually none of those universes exist in the Local DC Comics Multiverse and there is more than one according to The Empty Hand in Multiversity. Of course the DCAU could be in there as Earth 12 but you guys keep saying it’s not canon so probably not.
More evidence is that CW shows have their own Multiverse with their own Monitor, rules, universe numbers etc. Young Justice’s source wall isn’t broken like in (Scott) Snyder’s JL where it’s shown that ALL of the Multiverse is affected AND Multiversity designates Earth-Me as Earth 16.
So no, they don’t have the same Speed Force. JLA/Avengers previously confirmed that Speed Force users don’t have their speed outside of their local Multiverse as well.
So in the end, there is likely a separate DCAU Multiverse and Speed Force.
All good stuff!
Will N either way that would put CW, Young Justice, Brave and the Bold, and the real DCAU as fictional/non-existent within the Comic Multiverse as of present and ever since Post-Flashpoint. Unless you’re fine with treating all of those as completely fictional to the fictional, they must then exist somewhere else.
In young Justice is Wally dead or is he mearly I'm the speed force I hope it just the speed force I would like to see Wally return
We don’t know yet!