Persona 2 Innocent Sin review! [PSP] The Game Collection
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- SuperDerek explores the progress made by Atlus since Persona 1 in this Persona 2 Innocent Sin review!
Like the Final Fantasy series, the US didn't end up getting all of the Persona titles when they were first released. After Persona 1 was released, development began on Persona 2: Innocent Sin. Unfortunately we never ended up getting Innocent Sin. Sure we got Persona 2, but that was actually Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, a sequel of sorts to Innocent Sin. Well maybe that's not exactly the right way to put it. Most call the games a duology, and long story short, we only got part two until Atlus released Innocent Sin on the PSP.
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I'm a toy designer and one of my clients asked me about the Joker figure for this game. Your video was the first suggested. Great review, great production values, great audio. Very professional. Keep it up, hopefully you get to 100K subs soon.
Awesome, thank you! A Joker figure would be really cool! :)
SuperDerek RPGs Hi Derek how much is this game going for a great review when is your next review can you do a ff8 review please
Joker and nyarly is the best boss over Nyx and erebus over yaldy and izanami
Innocent Sin online from persona 3....
Tatsuya and Maya....
Mother of God I just figured that out
Actually quite a few references to persona 1 and 2 in number 3. Not so much the events but little easter egg nods. Like Mitsuru's company use to be a part of the Nanjo Group.
And a TV show has some references to a lot of the cast from P1 and P2 and says what they're up to now
James Wood lmao
I like how if you choose to name your character Tatsuya in Innocent Sin Online, the person who named thier character Maya goes "I didn't know anyone else had played that game!" ;_; Atlus why are you so eager to let the best Persona plot be banished to obscurity?
Woah
Maybe someone call me masochist, but I love grinding, upgrade and collect personas for many hours. I love any aspect of this game, and plot is probably one of the best and unique in all games. Whole persona series is amazing, but P2 has a special place in me :)
Masochist.
A bit of a correction. The Shin Megami Tensei branding is primarily attached to western releases of the Persona franchise in order to garner brand appeal. But later installments of the Persona games in the west ditch the SMT branding.
so basically they are pulling a square enix where they constantly abuse final fantasy on their experiments just because the name itself sells games.
@@RaidenKaiser ??? Wut? Bruh, this was 5 years ago... the best classic persona reviewer is snickety slice
Personally, I disagree with the ending in terms of closure. Yes it does set up events for Eternal Punishment (which more than pays them off), but seeing how much the world has been changed by the character's meeting and the sacrifice they made to save it makes for a satisfying conclusion to a story that was all about the consequences one's actions hold and how an event from the past may affect the future, a butterfly effect if you will. Still, some good points were made for an overall good review. Kudos.
Discovered your channel because of Persona. I am subscribed. Love your voice and knowledge :)
Another great review.
I've heard a lot about the Persona series, though mostly the new ones on Vita. These older ones look pretty rad though..
Hi Derek, haven't caught one of your videos in about a year, can't wait for the Eternal Punishment video!
Wow! Well welcome back! :D
Getting a PSP and this game for my birthday :)
barta235 I second this comment
I third this comment
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How was your birthday?
Sweet. I have a copy of this, and I still haven't ever even opened it, haha. This review just gave me a reason to tear open that shrinkwrap!
+lerigan How was the experience:D?
+Carona Nigma Quite entertaining. Certain aspects of the game make it evident that this is an old title, yet that doesn't make the game feel any less unique. Give it a try!
So excited!:)
Carona Nigma Be sure to pick up Eternal Punishment, too. It's the ''second half'' of Persona 2, and it's dirt-cheap on PSN!
Yup!:D I bought that one on the PSN for my PSP at random last sunday night and my computer had a huge DNS error when I tried to download the files I needed to transfer the game to my system, so then I was told to download Mediago, which bypasses those download requirements and just transfers the game to your system without any extra stuff, but the DNS stuff kept happening, so I had to use my smartphone as an internet router and was able to download the game at last!
I love it:) Also, I apologize for my long story!
The Persona 4 styled dialog stuff you did is awesome lol
Awesome, I love SMT. Gonna share your vid with some friends.
KHELL CHEVERE Thanks a lot, I appreciate it! :)
Well done mate! I have to admit, those first person bits in the first game were my cup of tea either. I'm not really into first person dungeon crawlers at all. I really liked IS's story, but you're gonna love EP's. It's the best in the series, in my opinion.
This is my personal favorite title in the persona series. Awesome review btw!
Raul Rodriguez Thanks! :)
Great review man, just bought this on the playstation store for my Vita
and can't wait to play it. I do have the fan-translated/emulated PS1 version
on my computer, which I do enjoy but I think the new interface will be a big
plus for me. It is a little weird for me considering I started out with Persona 3
and have just gotten into Persona 4 (Golden) but I think I'll enjoy it.
Awww yeah more rpg reviews!
I just got into Persona, and started with Persona 4 Golden first on my psvita and I've played a few hours already and must say I love it! After this game I will probably play all the previous games. I might buy Persona 5 Royal on my ps4 if I have the funds. Good reviews!
Persona 5 Royal is a stunning masterpiece
This is one of my favorite rpg, imo best persona's character, music and plot. the gameplay have been improved since but it is still my favorite smh/persona game.
Maya Best Female Protagonist of Persona Saga
This was great. Remember talking with about Persona after I got back from Germany and picked this game up randomly while I was over there... Still haven't finished it, haha, a seriously random experience (I just got past the bit where you save the kids from a burning building during a field trip), hearing about the ending though, I can imagine anything would be disappointing after the trip this game puts you through... Interesting hearing about the other Persona 2 but I don't think I was ever that invested to keep going with it...
I don't blame you, really. But for what it's worth, it's at least worth finding out the truth about their pasts. That part alone gave me a bit of a mindsplosion and got me really invested in the characters. Who knows, maybe once you've gotten that far you might change your tune. The character development within the game really seems a cut above.
25 DOLLARS!!!! Jeez, the cheapest I can find this game now is for at least $150. Well, emulation is always an option.
I paid $20. Remember Persona wasn't always a sales juggernaut. Mainstream attention to 5 has made people try to go back for the older titles.
I emulated the psp version on phone lol
Am i the only one who noticed that at the beginning of the video "Persona 2: Innocent Sin" is spelled
"Persona 2: Inncoent Sin", Take a look! 0:07
nope (i know, date, shut up)
edit: i realised it may be too vague so i mean 'no you're not the only one' not 'oh no i didn't notice'
Awesome video! I wasn't aware that Persona 2 was a duology, but then I've also not tracked down this game just yet. Europe didn't even get to see a Persona game till 3, so at least you've not got quite as much catch up to do! =]
Rah Pah Gah The RPG Gamer Thanks! Yeah, to be completely honest I didn't know either until I did some initial research before the review, so I had to hurry up and snag a copy of EP for my next review! On the bright side, P1 and P2 Innocent Sin are on the PSP, which is region free. And I think P2: eternal Punishment is on the PSN. I know it is here, but I'm not sure about in Europe. :)
Super Derek I guess it is just another one of those many times when Japan didn't let the West know, not unlike the pre-FFVII numbering and Tales of Destiny II/Eternia.
We did get the physical UMDs, but they're painfully rare weirdly, so I think that will require an import. I'd rather import a physical copy of Eternal Punishment too, but knowing it's on the US PSN at least means it is accessible here.
Thanks for the knowledge, I would have otherwise overlooked EP, and I'm looking forwards to your review on the second part of this duology!
nice review as always man :) Living in OZ we didnt get much a chance to play many Persona Games at all :( but with Digital Download it has opened up quite a bit now so perhaps i should start playing them :)
RAS SAR Don't forget the PSP is unlocked! :)
Oh I know :)
anyone else actually prefer eternal punishment and wish to god that the PSP version would come out in English or that translation would get completed?
Fans are working on it. Its supposed to release this year
@@821lancevance hell yes! I've been waiting for the Yakuza PSP can translations aswell. Woop, this is gonna be good!😎
@@821lancevance where i can get Persona 2 Eternal punishment (Psp) english version?
@@jovif.spemudaindonesia1841 ps3 and vita digital. Psp physical on ebay
Jovi F.S Pemuda indonesia it’s not out yet
Great review. I still need to dive into the older persona games and this looks a lot better than persona 1 after I beat 3 maybe this is where I'll go.
DubiousGamingOnline Sounds good! Yeah, P2 is a couple steps closer to P3 than P1 was. It's kind of like a mix between 1 and 3. But I guess that would kinda make sense, huh? :-P
0:01 you put the picture in the wrong place, it's supposed to be on the right
I agree p2 innocent sin was an amazing game and In my opinion it has a more satisfying end than p3
SPOILERS
I think maya didn't die in vein and she achieved her dream of getting everyone were she wants them unlike p3 were it just goes what? Why did he die I don't think I didn't get what I wanted and p2 just made me cry and also made me go maya you raised these guys just well but hey that's just my opinion
Is that song in the beginning by the same artist who did Death the Kid's (Soul Eater) theme?
Nice; this is one of my favorite series. I remember being pissed about Eternal Punishment getting to the US when Innocent Sin did not.
Whats kinda funny is the reverse happened on psp in the west. We got Innocent Sin but not Eternal Punishment. Atlus either likes to troll the west or is just really lazy when it comes to p2
+Jason Warnecke Haha yeah; that's really weird!
Persona 2 Innocent Sin is one of the best classic jrpg game i ever play
@RAYHAN REHEMA PUTRA Menurut ane masih bagusan Persona 2 tapi Persona 3 juga tetap bagus
My fav persona
I tried to play innocent sin after playing the latest 3 games, but all the random encounters everywhere started to bug me so I couldn't get through it.
Same. The pacing was weird as hell too.
Very cool man. I didn't know Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment were different games. Now to try and find a copy for a decent price.
Classic Contagious Gaming I honestly didn't know either until beginning the initial research for this review. It just so happened that I had Innocent Sin to start out with. After beating the game I had to scramble to get Persona 2 Eternal Punishment, I really wasn't expecting a two-parter going into this! XD
$25 price tag?!?!? Innocent Sin on psp goes for $200 now 😭
After 6 hours of playing Persona 2, yesterday, I chose the wrong option regarding Yukino at Mt. Katatsumuri. I am so peeved about it, now, I don't know when I will continue playing. The game is also available through the PSN, and it often goes on sale for 5 USD.
1GoodRiddance It'll be alright, trust me keep playing. It's during the cave sequence later on that you'll want to be the most careful about your answers. Yukino's isn't nearly as important. :)
But now I will miss her ultimate persona and its story connection with Joker, (not to mention she will be some levels behind). Thank you for your advice: I will pay particular attention to the later parts, then.
cool video again.
I havent played any of the persona games, ive had them in my hands just before deciding to buy something else, like Legend of Dragoon or Mission impossible, but they look very appealing, this one actually looks good, ill have to start giving them a try, ive heard persona 4 for ps2 is great
ElBribri If you're looking to get into the series, I highly recommend starting off with Persona 3 FES, or Persona 3 Portable. Reasons being that they exhibit a lot of the darker aspects that people love about the earlier Persona titles,while containing a lot of the gameplay elements of Persona 4. The reasons I suggest either the FES or Portable versions are because they contain additional story elements, and P3P has alternative playable characters (male or female) if that interests you.
good...thanks man ill keep that in mind, ill probably go for Persona 3 then
This game skyrocketed in price recently oof
That Fuhrer character is incontestably modelled after Tom Cruise
this game looks really good on Playstation TV
If your going to get into the persona series I suggest watching the story of the first one on TH-cam and play the others.
In order to play P2 Eternal Punishment is it really necessary to play the P2 Innocent Sin first ? Or I can play them as independent games whatever the order I choose ?
You at least know how Innocent Sin ended. Also some old characters will appear in Eternal Punishment so... maybe?
You know what the the problem with your reviews are Super Derek..... that you don't come up with new ones everyday so I can watch everyone of them while I eat my meals.
Roy Johnson Hah! Believe me I wish I could! :)
I'm honestly not sure how you separate the two Persona 2 games. I'd have both on my greatest of all time list, but couldn't rank them separately.
considering this to kill some time before Persona 5 comes out next year...
play them all youll love em
+Cesar “Isaac” Perez same as well
keep this up and 100k subs easy
MOSTCHEDDA That's a heck of a complement! Thank you. :D
Can i download this game on the ps vita?? Thinking of getting the system just to get the game.
Yes you can. You can get Persona 2 Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment for like $20 each. :)
yay your reviewing eternal punishment ^-^ I wish they make a movie adaption of persona 2 games like there doing with p3 there storys both of them are excellent :/ damn you p3 and p4
Atlus was going to make an anime adaptation which would have been amazing, but I guess something happened after they made the teaser for it.
Might just pick this up on vita
The gameplay footage contains spoilers for the story.
This look interesting, and kinda remind me of Persona 5, which by the way, will bring back fire weapons of Persona 1.
My favorite persona game will aways be Persona 3, but this look awesome and I will think seriously about playing too, but until then, I need to get in the top of a Death Tower with my school friends.
Yeah definitely play it when you can.
Hey SuperDerek been checking out your Best RPG's playlist. Has your top 10 changed at all since this was created?
Well I wouldn't call this a top-10 of any sort, I haven't played enough to make a list like that feel reliable, but these are all some of my favorites as I've played through them. :)
SuperDerek RPGs possibly in future could you do your personal top 10 RPG's? I love playing them but haven't got the time I used to have so I want to invest my time in a truly worthwhile RPG
I think RPGs are a really subjective experience, so my favorite game might not be yours. But if you tell me some of the kinds of things you enjoy in your RPGs maybe I could make a personalized suggestion for you? :)
SuperDerek RPGs sounds great :-) I haven't got much patience for turn based combat much so looking more action based. I enjoyed parasite Eve 1 and grandia combat system. Think it mainly boils down to combat system really lol
I haven't played much of Parasite Eve, but for action RPGs, these are my current favorites:
Terranigma - Pure SNES Gold, better than Secret of Mana IMO.
Alundra - Zelda-ish style puzzle-solving suspense on PS1
Dark Cloud 2 - Time-traveling steam-punk dungeon-diving fun on the PS2
Rogue Galaxy - Similar to Dark Cloud 2 but with Space Pirates
what derek , 25bucks for persona?
those were the good old days....
Persona 2 is one of my favorite RPG of all time! I've never finished it but the gameplay, soundtrack and adult themes amaze me til this day.
best game ever
Luckily, if the new music bothers you that bad, the original release has been available on the playstation store for a while now! 😎😎
Not so! They're actually 2 different games. Innocent Sin is basically "Part 1" and Eternal Punishment, on PS1, is "Part 2" of Persona 2. We didn't get the PS1 release of Innocent Sin, it was a Japan exclusive until we got this PSP port. :)
I really love the artwork of this game.❤️ Even I don't like the gameplay
Yeah and not - for me IS is standing on its own - for 50h ET was only money grap for me: it’s cute, but meh, when it’s come to chose - IS is masterpiece for me.
Haven't played two or one yet. I recently became a big shin megami tensei fan. I beat persona 3 and 4 with the true ending. I beat nocturne with the ending where all goes back to how it was in the real world. I beat devil summoner. Got to the end of digital devil saga but didnt finish it due to finishing side quest bosses. I have the 2nd of digital devil saga and devil summoner but haven't started them yet. I had strange journey, devil survivor and soul hackers but never finished them.
wow good for you, I wussed out of nocturne 12 hours in lol. your not missing much by skipping persona 1, and for 2 I'd actually recommend playing eternal punishment before innocent sin because all the characters have amnesia in EP and it kinda makes you feel that more, although I'm crazy so idk, although chances are you already played both P2 games
Can I get this for PS TV?
Ye check the psn store its there
***** ok thanks just picked up pstv so still learning
WHOOOO! I hope you get to SMT 3: Nocturne, eventually. It's my favorite of the MegaTen series.
johnnyvanjones I'm guessing that eventually I'll cover every SMT game, it's just a matter of time and money. Right now I'm just going to focus on the Persona titles until I get to 4, then maybe branch out into the other titles in the SMT universe later on. :)
Ahh,this is the game that nearly broke you? Not bad,good video!
Heh, well I wouldn't say it nearly broke me, quite so much as it nearly broke my streak of consistency ;)
Tomato,Towmato... 😀
3:23 HITLER?WHAT?
Yeah
this guy sounds like Steven Blum, or Spike Speigal
thank you for the awesome complement! :-)
I have beaten every single Persona game, starting with P3 way back in the day. I loved P3, and still do to this day, but later got a chance to play P4G the week it came out. I beat it, and I loved it too. I definitely liked P3 better than P4, but that could've just been me. I went back and played the PSP remake of P1, but really wasn't too fond of it. I was going to go on to P2IS and P2EP but I decided that I should wait till I passed the JLPT N4 test so I could play both the PSP remakes in Japanese. I got into my Japanese studies, and a year or so later I picked up P5 and kicked it's ass. At that point I was like, "Hey, these games are fricken great." I had also played SMTIV and SJ by then, digging the series and it's combat. But then when studying abroad in Japan, I picked up P2IS. Until I played IS I had always said my favourite game was P3. I was wrong. Persona 2: Innocent Sin 「罪」 is a perfect game. Also, the Japanese version has a dungeon editor which is freaking awesome. Love it.
I really want to love this game, and deep down I do like it. Unfortunately there is just something incredibly tedious about it. Whether it is demon / card collecting, or the excessive grinding, or even both. I'm not sure exactly why. I do enjoy some of the characters and writing. I've got 40 hours into it and can't really tolerate the last stretch. I've had the PS1 game since it was released, but I almost think I'll never play it.
The battle refinements, remixed music, and other enhancements really I improved the game on the PSP. It is just a shame that Atlus will never release the other half for PSP and only offer excuses.
Basically, two broken halves of a whole.
Zach B That's too bad. Yeah I'm pretty certain that 10 hours of my play-through was just grinding. But if you're at the 40 hour mark, I would probably just power through it. I bet that with the stock Personas (Apollo and others) and some good fusion spells thrown in like Summon Spirits and Fury Strike (I think that's what it's called,) you could just power through all the way to the end without much more grinding.
Having started EP, I really like the direction they're going with the characters and plot. At least, so far anyway. :)
Great game review. I’ve just subscribed. Not sure if you watch too many videos but if you do get bored hop on over and check our podcast out sometime. Will keep an eye out for future videos.
So this was basically like the 3ds fire emblem games....minus the cringey parts of fire emblem lmao
HARDCOREST GAME I FRICKIN PLAYED I WAS ALWAYS LOOKING TO WALKTHROUGHS MAN PERSONA 3 IS EASIER I THINK AND THAT AIR RAID SHELTER PLACE IT KILLED ME #MLGPERSONA
Yeah, from what I've read some years back, P2: Innocent Sin (the 1st chapter of P2) wasn't released in North America originally due to a gay relationship in the game. However, in the PSP release years later, Atlus edited out and toned down that factor.
Truly, Eternal Punishment is my favorite Persona, but I would've liked to have seen what came before it back then in the PS1 days.
FreeRPGer I wish we got P2 Eternal Punishment PSP...
Heard there was a fan translation in the works. Not sure of the status though.
You sound just like JohneAwesome.
I'm like 30 hours in and damn it, this game is so freaking easy. I played it right after playing persona 1 on psp, and that game actually had some challenge. Every battle has been the same. If it's a boss, I use the spell that gives your whole team healing at the end of every turn and spam the 2 person fire and wind spells, regular enemies I use the 3 person spells and wipe them out in about 2 turns.
The way I built Tatsuya, he's pretty much invincible and has a mana pool that I haven't even come close to using yet. Even when an enemy hits his weakness, it does maybe 6 damage and i have 400 health. The only challenging boss I've fought so far was one that use the party wide light spell and I didn't have any revive items because the game was too easy to justify buying them up until that point.
If you're playing on PSP, I think there are 3 different difficulty settings that you can switch up on-the-fly. Do you know which one you're currently playing on? Might be time to turn it up if you haven't already. :)
Super Derek Ya, I've been playing on normal, which was the same I play on all persona games when given the option. This one is surprisingly easier than all of the others. Even crafting personas is ridiculously easy in this one.
askmiller Yeah, that's the mode I played on, but I also made all of Tatsuya's stats equal which might have bumped up the difficulty for me. I think the game also took a bit longer because I did a lot of the Abandoned Factory quests which, honestly if you don't need to grind is completely skippable. Hope switching modes makes the game more enjoyable for ya! :D
Super Derek Well I'm like 30 hours in and I just got past the Shadow Maya fight. I have no idea where that is in the game, but I feel like I'm taking forever to do things in this game. I'm only like level 30 or so, which should be an indication that I got a long way to go before the end, but I don't know.
By maxing out vi and dx, you become a hard hitting magical tank, the problem is that you can't use physical abilities at all, which sucks in certain parts where you need to use physical abilities, but when that happens i just put Tatsuya on heal duty.
askmiller Awesome, then you're getting right into the good meat of the game's story, just power a little further and I think you'll start to enjoy the ride downhill a little more! One bit of advice though is to be sure you explore that cave really really well and open all of the treasure chests, you'll be glad you did later.
The sad thing is that a remake of Persona 2 would probably not sell well nowadays. Things have changed too radically, I'm afraid, and so has this series.
I disagree. 5 made the series more popular than ever so now is a perfect time. Just update the graphics, make the battle systmen a bit more convenient, get rid of the random encounters (because apparently modern rpg players are pussies) and I think people will love this game. I'm sure some will be dissapointed in the lack of a daily life system at first, but flowing through the game's already awesome story and characters will more than make up for that I feel.
The story of the game is great but what I hate about Persona 2 is the battle system of the game. It's about that super slow combat animation and tedious controls. If you want to heal all your team, it takes seconds to start and finish the animation and then heal one by one each takes a second to do. Same goes with other spells. And when your on your spell selection and you forgot the enemy elemental weakness, you can't simply press R to see it like persona 1 does. You have to press B to cancel all the way back and select analyze. Even if you skip animation, it still slow af. After I play persona 1 and play persona 2, I personally think thid is a downgraded combat system.
The 1st 2 persona games (counting IS and EP as 1 entry) suffer from shallow overworld mechanics and painfully slow and tedious combat system and menu navigation. Battles simply take too long to complete. Also acquiring personas is unintuitive and quite frankly a pain in the ass. Also IS's demon contract system is pure random bullshit that utterly ruins the whole thing.
Essentially, there is a good reason why these games are ignored while 3, 4, and 5 aren't.
80% of those points are applicable to a majority of turned-based JRPGS from that era. The contract system is a flaw but it's not a broken mechanic and can be circumvented through trial and error. The real draw of the games is the excellent story that is still probably Atlus' creative peak as far as game direction goes.
The games weren't ignored when they were released in Japan, hitting high on the sales charts in 1999 and 2000. They were ignored because America didn't get IS at all, and EP was released here in very limited quantities, before Atlus was firmly established internationally.
Ironically, P3 (as said by the new gen fans) was the reason persona was establish as a series in the west but in reality it was P2. P3 was the lowest selling mainline Persona game according to ATLUS.
This is exactly how I felt. I played an hour and just looked up the story. It was confusing and convoluted.
I've played through Persona 1, 3 times and loved it. however I couldn't force myself through the first few hours of this game, the battle system was so boring compared to persona 1. I don't know how this game is so loved among the fans, admittedly the plot seemed cool the battle system is so slow and repetitive
+CHAOS80120 you can turn animations off and set it to auto-battle. the battle system is not the best thing in this game, but tbh i never played it because of combat. c:
Thank god you didn't do the Hitler version.
Persona 3 and 4 are the best :D :D
lol opinions
G. Nuzzler :D
To me the best are the persona 2 games. but opinions. xp
+TheLightFarron They are great, but P2:IS worked better for me when comparing the stories (I played P2 after P3 and P4), and I hope P5 has more to it than yet another Social Link focused system. I mean, how lazy the Big Baddies are, when they take a whole school year to destroy the Earth?
why i think this SMT games are just WAYYYY TOOO praised??? they dont impress me in any way. everything is just too random, without any principles on which the game can be structured. a huge mix of randomness.
I can understand the sentiment. But for what it's worth, Personas 1 and 2 (IS & EP) did not feature randomly generated dungeons, and Personas 3 and 4 don't feature random encounters. :)
normie
sure wish there was an english patch for the psp eternal punishment
Fans are working on it. Its supposed to release this year