Yeah, it's nonsensical to trade Liljegren an NHL Dmen. Gee I think the Leafs used 10 Dmen last season. Certainly as you suggest teams need at least 7 capable NHL Dmen.
Signing Robertson and then trading him makes sense. If you don't do that, he has leverage to say I won't sign there either. Now he can't do that. It's the same thing Columbus did with Dubois.
I think they will spend a lot of time conditioning him to work on his weak points also, and then get him ice time to trade him. The issue is the leafs have a weak left side, and trying to fill that with the lack of options on the market will be a challenge. So it makes sense to give him time, condition him and then trade him along with other prospects and get a decent solid left winger in return. Good strategy I think.
Jarnkrok is the most marketable and the one that makes the most sense. With him off the roster, and Patches and Lorentz signing for $1M, gives the team a 23 man roster and about $100k under the cap.
I'd rather lose Kampf, or Dewar and sign only Patches. Jarnkrok can play middle-6 and all 3 positions while putting up 15-20 goals and 35-40 points. Unless you're getting something stupid like a 1st rounder, he's more valuable on the roster. Especially if the best argument is "ooo, 23 man roster".
@@Leafsdude_ no one would take Kampf. Everything you mentioned is why a team would take Jarnkrok. 23 man roster means depth and the coach can hold players accountable with scratches if they don't play properly.
They could be entertaining these PTOs to light a fire under the roster players that want spots, also PTOs have been used in the past to help players show that they can still play and get contracts with other teams.
no need to trade anyone ..... since none of those players have much trade value you can "waive" any of those players stated .... this team needs both Patches and Lorentz if nobody claims the "waived" players .... you still keep them, and you now have the Cap Space you need Lilly too .... because a D-man injury is inevitable .... you need 7 good D men
MOST ANNOYING thing that all Leafs media does. Is completely ignore the fact that player can be sent to the minors. Literally every year we have this dumb conversation.
I think the answer is Holmberg, actually. Pontus Holmberg is a guy, nothing more, but was a Keefe favorite. I don't think Berube is gonna vibe with him, and he'll be out the door.
@@Leafsdude_ I would tend to agree, but I'm trying to figure out how things shake out with Berube/Tre, and of the guys listed, Holmberg seems the least to fit their vision; he's not as defensive, doesn't play as "Heavy" a game. But they might both be gone tbh
Since the Leafs are very low in NHL depth at NHL centre,,,,Holmberg has to stay, I really don't understand this love for Lorentz and Patches who haven't even signed contracts.
@@ZacharyTolson I'd say Holmberg has a pretty solid defensive game. Maybe not as good as Dewar, but he's not anywhere near as bad as Robertson or even Patches. That said, i agree that he doesn't play the "heavy" game like Dewar does. The cap factor is pretty important here, though, so I think the 310k difference between them will have to factor in as well. I'm not sure even the biggest blockhead could argue Dewar at 1.1 over Holmberg at 800k on 4th line LW.
We so concerned and caught up on kampf and our PK but forget our PK was dog water last year and hoestly terrible the year before. So we keep a spot for one job that was terrible
@filthydegenerate6528 obviously u must be blind, he's been here a decade and it's never his problem, he's not a rookie , id rather have a defencman who can DEFEND, and hit or play the PP1 , he can't do any of these and at his salary he should be able to do atleast 1, triuba and ekblad make pretty much the same and bring more to the table as does adam Larson,
Maybe the leafs are going to rest Tanev an Jani so they will be fresh for the playoffs. Lilly is going to play a lot more than people think. They have 7 solid d-man for a change. Jankrok playoff stats 93 games 5 goals 17 assists. When real hockey begins he won't be missed.
lots of competition for the roster is a good thing but you want lots of competition for only a few jobs. right now just sounds like you got a bunch of players that are maybe not good enough
Domi - Matthew - Knies NyLander - Jarakrok - McMann Robertson - Tavares- Marner Cowan - Miten - Reeves Extra - Max P when he signs Reilly - Tanev Benoit - McCabe OEL - Hakannpa Stolarz Woll Hildeby should just get the chance to go #1 Trade Liljgren Kemp Holmberg Dewer
My two cents. I think they’ve spoken with Marner and know that he’s not coming back. They then tell Robertson that this is his year to prove himself. There’s a hole opening up in the top 6. Prove that you can cut it. Who they get rid of? 🤷♂️ that’s what training camp is for.
@@TheCommonS3Nse It’s possible, but even with all the noise and bad press, I think they want to keep Marner. He’s a Toronto boy - well established and popular outside of the typically cynical Toronto press and armchair managers. He’s also one of the top 10 wingers in the league. And yes, I know he and the other core 3 haven’t been successful in playoffs, but there are MANY teams who have gone through this and it takes years to build the playoff skills, confidence, and grit to win. As to who they move, Timmins for sure (waivers or trade), probably one of the current line 3/4 wingers, maybe Lilligren, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Robertson is traded before the season starts. His bellyaching for a trade at his level and without a well-rounded game pisses off the managers and coaches. They don’t want that noise on their team.
Liljegren please for the love of god. People quick to forget Timmins was the best defenceman all of training camp and into the season before being injured. Liljegren apparently worth 3m so hopefully we can get a 3rd and release us of the cap.
Nickle and dimes is not the way. Go young! Cowan, Robertson, Knies, and McMann must be on this roster for a cup. Play them in the regular season and get them ready for the playoffs. Top 4 and young 4...the win. Then look at the dimes and quarters and make the D prio!
The leafs get treated the way they do by their RFAs because they reek of desperation.. they don’t know what to do now because their upward trajectory is done and what goes up, must come down.. and gravity is starting to pull hard. Their management isn’t creative enough to 180 the situation so watch now.. their offseason moves this year have been terrible. They appear to be scrambling
What are you talking about? they've had a good off season picking up some pretty big defensive pieces, it has been a glaring hole for many seasons and they've finally gone out and fixed it, sure I'd love if they had a starting goalie to go with it but you can't fix it all in one go.
Not the real issue, Marner going to do a Tavares and walk as a free agent and leaf's are going to get nothing back. All the talk about change 100% they asked teams about Marner but didn't go further because they only view him as a rental & Leafs were expecting a huge payday that would only happen if he signed with the trade team but he wants open Market. Leafs should take a first not getting any better and retain if need be. Leafs need leadership thats hard on each other imagine if they could have signed Stamkos.
I believe Stolarz will emerge as the #1 goalie (starts more than Woll/Murray). Murray, now healthy, could emerge as the true #2 this season. Screenshot this.
nhl car watch? man i remember what tony marinaro about how montreal isn't a sports city, just a hockey city citing that people care more about the new pickup truck that arber xhekaj got than the impact or als
Yep, most canadian teams have to do it, they really need to fix the cap for teams in higher tax provinces/states, but I doubt they ever will make it fair.
Marnar needs to go in a sign and trade to the west coast, ie Sharks or Ducks maybe, or even Kings, and I’d look to Utah. All these have guys you can trade for including prospects with great upside, or even get two really good players from roster that can play 2nd and 3 line.
@@ianespie1529 Check your facts. He makes 1.35m a year. He can be waived (and unclaimed) to the Marlies and costs the Leafs about 135,000 a year, for two years in cap.
Trade/ waive Timmons, trade Reaves to Chicago/San Jose before camp. During camp trade Kampf .( market value would peak) Carry $ saved and play the guys from the Marlies, you need to see exactly what you have and they have some major league experience to build on. Quit trading future years draft picks for 4th liner and 3 pairing players.
Why are Leaf fans so naive? Kampf has a M NTC, doubting an team on his list have the cap for him either. Timmins even if demoted, doesn't count against the cap. Reaves just about 150,000 against the cap if waived.
Reeves on waiver and he will clear and free up $1.3m is the best option. He did not pan out with the roster. They could package Timmins with robertson and trade him out maybe?
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Tanev and Hakanpaa are likely to find themselves on IR or LTIR enough that Liljegren could be needed for 70 games
Not with Torontos medical staff
Yeah, it's nonsensical to trade Liljegren an NHL Dmen. Gee I think the Leafs used 10 Dmen last season. Certainly as you suggest teams need at least 7 capable NHL Dmen.
I forgot we signed Taney.
Signing Robertson and then trading him makes sense. If you don't do that, he has leverage to say I won't sign there either. Now he can't do that. It's the same thing Columbus did with Dubois.
Agreed .. and signing him cheap .. will get you more on a trade 👌
???? He wants to play! It's a show me contract. He ain't going anywhere
I think they will spend a lot of time conditioning him to work on his weak points also, and then get him ice time to trade him. The issue is the leafs have a weak left side, and trying to fill that with the lack of options on the market will be a challenge. So it makes sense to give him time, condition him and then trade him along with other prospects and get a decent solid left winger in return. Good strategy I think.
Lily at 3M is an overpay.
Jarnkrok is the most marketable and the one that makes the most sense. With him off the roster, and Patches and Lorentz signing for $1M, gives the team a 23 man roster and about $100k under the cap.
Jarnkrok and Timmins, both should get moved.
@@dizk8488and Marnar, get good players back.
I'd rather lose Kampf, or Dewar and sign only Patches. Jarnkrok can play middle-6 and all 3 positions while putting up 15-20 goals and 35-40 points. Unless you're getting something stupid like a 1st rounder, he's more valuable on the roster. Especially if the best argument is "ooo, 23 man roster".
Screw that. Jarnkrok STAYS. Rather ship Robertson or Timmins or Reaves ...or all 3
@@Leafsdude_ no one would take Kampf. Everything you mentioned is why a team would take Jarnkrok. 23 man roster means depth and the coach can hold players accountable with scratches if they don't play properly.
They could be entertaining these PTOs to light a fire under the roster players that want spots, also PTOs have been used in the past to help players show that they can still play and get contracts with other teams.
no need to trade anyone ..... since none of those players have much trade value
you can "waive" any of those players stated .... this team needs both Patches and Lorentz
if nobody claims the "waived" players .... you still keep them, and you now have the Cap Space
you need Lilly too .... because a D-man injury is inevitable .... you need 7 good D men
MOST ANNOYING thing that all Leafs media does. Is completely ignore the fact that player can be sent to the minors. Literally every year we have this dumb conversation.
Sure you can waive players to minors, but it saves just about 300,00 in cap per player.
I think the answer is Holmberg, actually. Pontus Holmberg is a guy, nothing more, but was a Keefe favorite. I don't think Berube is gonna vibe with him, and he'll be out the door.
Dewar probably makes more sense. Makes more, probably has less upside, plays lower in the lineup. Holmberg at $800k is far more valuable, IMO.
@@Leafsdude_ I would tend to agree, but I'm trying to figure out how things shake out with Berube/Tre, and of the guys listed, Holmberg seems the least to fit their vision; he's not as defensive, doesn't play as "Heavy" a game. But they might both be gone tbh
Since the Leafs are very low in NHL depth at NHL centre,,,,Holmberg has to stay, I really don't understand this love for Lorentz and Patches who haven't even signed contracts.
@@ZacharyTolson I'd say Holmberg has a pretty solid defensive game. Maybe not as good as Dewar, but he's not anywhere near as bad as Robertson or even Patches.
That said, i agree that he doesn't play the "heavy" game like Dewar does. The cap factor is pretty important here, though, so I think the 310k difference between them will have to factor in as well. I'm not sure even the biggest blockhead could argue Dewar at 1.1 over Holmberg at 800k on 4th line LW.
@@Leafsdude_ Dewar is Metis like Berube. He is not going anywhere.
Reaves can’t play hockey anymore, would be nice to get him out at 1.5M
Out of the possible players I would also prefer if they trade Reaves too, he is pretty useless offensively and defensively
We so concerned and caught up on kampf and our PK but forget our PK was dog water last year and hoestly terrible the year before. So we keep a spot for one job that was terrible
with all the talk on a average player over the summer. Robertson better tear it up this year.
Losing Timmins for nothing probably isn't the wisest play. Give him a solid chance on the PP, can't be any worse than Rielly out there
Janne "No knees" Hockey Paw - another awesome signing. Leafs will win cup for sure now. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In all honesty I’d get rid of reaves but the hard part is who gonna take the guy for 1.5 😂
Blaming the RFAs😂😂😂😂
Doesn't say he signs with the Leafs.
What do the O’s meannnnn
The real question is why Morgan Rielly is being Paid 7.5 million and he can't play PP1 or defend
Rielly isn't the problem. That narrative is hilariously bad. Learn the game.
@filthydegenerate6528 obviously u must be blind, he's been here a decade and it's never his problem, he's not a rookie , id rather have a defencman who can DEFEND, and hit or play the PP1 , he can't do any of these and at his salary he should be able to do atleast 1, triuba and ekblad make pretty much the same and bring more to the table as does adam Larson,
Robertson should be getting Montrel Caufield money
Maybe the leafs are going to rest Tanev an Jani so they will be fresh for the playoffs. Lilly is going to play a lot more than people think. They have 7 solid d-man for a change. Jankrok playoff stats 93 games 5 goals 17 assists. When real hockey begins he won't be missed.
You don't think the Leafs will miss those slappy slappy shin pad checks?
lots of competition for the roster is a good thing but you want lots of competition for only a few jobs. right now just sounds like you got a bunch of players that are maybe not good enough
Do you need to move Travaris?
No, Travaris is a great right shot goalie with high potential to be a great defence.
Domi - Matthew - Knies
NyLander - Jarakrok - McMann
Robertson - Tavares- Marner
Cowan - Miten - Reeves
Extra - Max P when he signs
Reilly - Tanev
Benoit - McCabe
OEL - Hakannpa
Stolarz
Woll
Hildeby should just get the
chance to go #1
Trade
Liljgren
Kemp
Holmberg
Dewer
My two cents.
I think they’ve spoken with Marner and know that he’s not coming back. They then tell Robertson that this is his year to prove himself. There’s a hole opening up in the top 6. Prove that you can cut it.
Who they get rid of? 🤷♂️ that’s what training camp is for.
They’re not going to let Marner go, especially with the cap rising.
@@profdave2861so keep the same team? Thats done what? Nothing
@@S.General no ones arguing by 5+ years of this you expect anything different?
@@TheCommonS3Nse It’s possible, but even with all the noise and bad press, I think they want to keep Marner. He’s a Toronto boy - well established and popular outside of the typically cynical Toronto press and armchair managers. He’s also one of the top 10 wingers in the league. And yes, I know he and the other core 3 haven’t been successful in playoffs, but there are MANY teams who have gone through this and it takes years to build the playoff skills, confidence, and grit to win. As to who they move, Timmins for sure (waivers or trade), probably one of the current line 3/4 wingers, maybe Lilligren, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Robertson is traded before the season starts. His bellyaching for a trade at his level and without a well-rounded game pisses off the managers and coaches. They don’t want that noise on their team.
Liljegren please for the love of god. People quick to forget Timmins was the best defenceman all of training camp and into the season before being injured. Liljegren apparently worth 3m so hopefully we can get a 3rd and release us of the cap.
Reaves 🥾
Nickle and dimes is not the way. Go young! Cowan, Robertson, Knies, and McMann must be on this roster for a cup. Play them in the regular season and get them ready for the playoffs. Top 4 and young 4...the win. Then look at the dimes and quarters and make the D prio!
And when that doesn't work....
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Dubas would take Lilegren,trade him to Pittsburgh!
The leafs get treated the way they do by their RFAs because they reek of desperation.. they don’t know what to do now because their upward trajectory is done and what goes up, must come down.. and gravity is starting to pull hard. Their management isn’t creative enough to 180 the situation so watch now.. their offseason moves this year have been terrible. They appear to be scrambling
What are you talking about? they've had a good off season picking up some pretty big defensive pieces, it has been a glaring hole for many seasons and they've finally gone out and fixed it, sure I'd love if they had a starting goalie to go with it but you can't fix it all in one go.
They got a first for Rasmus Sandin, why not for llylgren
Who turned out to be Cowan
@@gordonbgraham Makes me feel a bit better about that deal.
Not the real issue, Marner going to do a Tavares and walk as a free agent and leaf's are going to get nothing back.
All the talk about change 100% they asked teams about Marner but didn't go further because they only view him as a rental & Leafs were expecting a huge payday that would only happen if he signed with the trade team but he wants open Market.
Leafs should take a first not getting any better and retain if need be.
Leafs need leadership thats hard on each other imagine if they could have signed Stamkos.
Keep trading depth yeah that’s the problem definitely not the core who’s done nothing in the playoffs haha
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Marner please god 🙏 trade to Vegas
Kampf is a 1.4M dollar player MAX so he is 1M overpaid. I understand if Dubas made this signing but Treliving made this signing.....WOWZA!
Don't forget Cowan..he has a good chance to make the roster too
Onions 🌰
You just explained 58 yrs of chaos 😎 Enjoy the Day
Liljegren is gone
I believe Stolarz will emerge as the #1 goalie (starts more than Woll/Murray). Murray, now healthy, could emerge as the true #2 this season. Screenshot this.
Boring solve this jj 😜
nhl car watch? man i remember what tony marinaro about how montreal isn't a sports city, just a hockey city citing that people care more about the new pickup truck that arber xhekaj got than the impact or als
Rielly Roberstson for Ekblad
Yeah, TOR has to overpay players because of taxes. Period.
Yep, most canadian teams have to do it, they really need to fix the cap for teams in higher tax provinces/states, but I doubt they ever will make it fair.
Kampf or Liljegren in my opinion will get traded. Either one will cover how much the Leafs are over the Cap.
Send Tavares to Buffalo for a bucket of pucks.
The Hate for tavares is another level of laughable
Kerfoot 4 years 3.5 is a good deal for a good player. he was never the problem
Jarnkrok is exactly Kerfoot, and he got 2.1x4 as a UFA with a much higher cap. Kerfoot as an RFA averaging 15 goals and 40 points was never worth 3.5.
Marnar needs to go in a sign and trade to the west coast, ie Sharks or Ducks maybe, or even Kings, and I’d look to Utah. All these have guys you can trade for including prospects with great upside, or even get two really good players from roster that can play 2nd and 3 line.
Why does Marner or any UFA need to be traded from any team?
Because *say it with me* they can't score in the playoffs @@jimclarence5441
Leafs suck ❤
The answer to the roster player that has to go is Ryan Reeves and you have to give a first or second pick to move that money.🖕🍁
Obvioulsy you don't understand about the cap and how little it costs Leafs in cap if demoted to the Marlies.
@@jimclarence5441 how many goals did Reeves have last year and how many assists? Was that worth 3 million a year?
@@ianespie1529 Check your facts. He makes 1.35m a year. He can be waived (and unclaimed) to the Marlies and costs the Leafs about 135,000 a year, for two years in cap.
Trade/ waive Timmons, trade Reaves to Chicago/San Jose before camp. During camp trade Kampf .( market value would peak) Carry $ saved and play the guys from the Marlies, you need to see exactly what you have and they have some major league experience to build on. Quit trading future years draft picks for 4th liner and 3 pairing players.
Noone is touching reeves with that contract
Why are Leaf fans so naive? Kampf has a M NTC, doubting an team on his list have the cap for him either. Timmins even if demoted, doesn't count against the cap. Reaves just about 150,000 against the cap if waived.
Reeves on waiver and he will clear and free up $1.3m is the best option. He did not pan out with the roster. They could package Timmins with robertson and trade him out maybe?
They'll never do it.
Well not really....you still have replace Reeves in the lineup. You say, might say 300,000 but that's it.