Giving The OG XBOX Quadruple The RAM | Never Done Before!

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    For the first time ever, we can increase the RAM in the original XBOX from 64MB to 256MB! That’s 4 times the original amount! This has never been done before. And previously, the maximum amount of RAM we could upgrade the XBOX to was 128MB. But now that we are able to increase the RAM to 256MB are there any improvements or increase in gaming performance? Find out in this video!
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  • @ErnestJay88
    @ErnestJay88 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +577

    Upgrade the CPU
    Upgrade the ram
    i bet future video be like "Install faster GPU"
    in the end, modders accidentally create *Xbox 360* by upgrading original Xbox.

    • @NitNek_
      @NitNek_ 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

      Let them cook...

    • @SonicBoone56
      @SonicBoone56 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      That'd require a whole different architecture lol

    • @ErnestJay88
      @ErnestJay88 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      @@SonicBoone56 i didn't mean "literally" but they upgrading original Xbox as powerful as X360

    • @kraftypk7283
      @kraftypk7283 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      ​@@SonicBoone56you'll require a whole different architecture in a minute young man

    • @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
      @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      If they tinkered with the development kit that used G5 PowerMacs, I believe they could create an Xbox 360 PowerMac.

  • @Galavis.
    @Galavis. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1427

    I prefer downloading more ram

    • @nunyabusiness69
      @nunyabusiness69 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      The only acceptable way

    • @nick-leffler
      @nick-leffler 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

      Would you download a car?

    • @outerzevin1366
      @outerzevin1366 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      Same, but this mod will be great for people whose internet connection is too slow to download RAM efficiently!

    • @EnlightenAlchemist
      @EnlightenAlchemist 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It's always better.

    • @dennistzortzopoulos8606
      @dennistzortzopoulos8606 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@nick-leffleryep

  • @Rexter2k
    @Rexter2k 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +165

    I think the actual "pro" of this mod is that eventually we are gonna run out of chips to do the classic 128mb ram mod, and this is a good replacement for that eventuality.

    • @SoloLizzy97
      @SoloLizzy97 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      There will be broken Xbox's to take parts from for a good long while.

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I don't think that's really the point, nor a close coming problem. Compatible ram chips are most likely still in production, and are used in low power, or low capacity computational devices.
      That being said, adding more deditated wam for thuh swerver is always nice.

    • @alext3811
      @alext3811 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@TheGamersRace Yeah, you'd be surprised how many embedded systems are using cores based on Pentium era cores (system-on-a-chip) for things like restaurant bump bars, and PBXs (once upon a time anways.

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alext3811 Yeah a lot of people don’t understand that a lot of the little pieces that make up old school tech….make up new school tech too. Yesterdays bleeding edge laptop is tomorrows “bump bars” as you put it.

    • @fffUUUUUU
      @fffUUUUUU วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The CCPway business model: they take free and open source PCB design like this, and then some Chinese сомм unists noname garage shop produces a ton of devices for profit

  • @otterpopdotorg
    @otterpopdotorg 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +187

    I love this for the "because we can" level of upgrade.

  • @RedBeardedGriffUK
    @RedBeardedGriffUK 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +603

    It would be interesting to see how well Half-Life 2 performs with the additional RAM

    • @pavma7
      @pavma7 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      And StarCraft Ghost

    • @UserX-02
      @UserX-02 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      True

    • @blitzerblazinoah6838
      @blitzerblazinoah6838 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      Doom 3 as well.

    • @johnbrooks6243
      @johnbrooks6243 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

      R they coded to take advantage of more available ram?

    • @misterjeffa2128
      @misterjeffa2128 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

      Likely no change as they dont expect the increased amounts and look for the stock amount only.

  • @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao
    @RicardoRamosRetrocomputacao 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    In 2008 a forum user upgraded to 256mb using chips from a Compaq Presario, but because comparisons between 128 and 256 showed that there were no significant gains, this was left aside.
    Particularly, I wish there was this modification for the Xbox 360 and PS3, they clearly suffer from the memory they have, especially the PS3. As far as I remember, there was a developer version of the x360 with 1GB of RAM, but it is extremely difficult to find, and quite expensive.

    • @BoDoesStuff
      @BoDoesStuff 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, I remember when this was done on Xbox Scene. Hate seeing these fake titles.

  • @thomashunt2240
    @thomashunt2240 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +176

    That improvised heat shield was an inspired idea, reusable and simple!

    • @UberMicroRepairs
      @UberMicroRepairs 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      not necessary.

    • @UJustGotGamed
      @UJustGotGamed 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@UberMicroRepairs hot air can easily blow away the tiny filtering caps on the board with how little solder there is on their pads

    • @UberMicroRepairs
      @UberMicroRepairs 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@UJustGotGamed nah. Surface tension keeps them in place

    • @ResidentIT_
      @ResidentIT_ 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@UberMicroRepairs ok pal

    • @UJustGotGamed
      @UJustGotGamed 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@UberMicroRepairs to a degree but i can confirm from personal experience they don't like to hold on very well

  • @Nihongames
    @Nihongames 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +222

    Well I can see some scenarios where additional RAM could theoretically help
    + 720p patches
    + PC Ports or better pc ports
    + Texture improvement mods in games
    + Emulators
    + Sega chihiro games

    • @XenonG
      @XenonG 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Gonna need to combine a 1.4Ghz Pentium III replacement, plus the SEGA Chihiro GPU. Might as well think about a new motherboard. :P

    • @windowsxpnt2347
      @windowsxpnt2347 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@XenonG iirc the sega chihiro gpu is just the same one as an og xbox, maybe a bit higher clocked

    • @windowsxpnt2347
      @windowsxpnt2347 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      hopefully this can allow for i/o emulation for wangan mmt1 and 2. would be really cool to be able to finally play those games at home

    • @gameblabla
      @gameblabla 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      There are some games patched at 1080i (Halo 2 HD, PSO) that can still run out of memory even with 128MB ram mod. (in the case of halo, he had to dial down the texture cache size to make it work) If they can fix the memory speed issue on the original kernel, it would help us run halo 2 at 1080i better (the guy who made the patch theorized the game was possibly starved for memory bandwidth). Besides that, there's also the port of ReactOS that can benefit. I would like to see where this is going.

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      128mb is enought for 720p patches, that need 900mhz at least to run... and few need 1.4ghz cpu to run. The ram is to... install a proper OPERATING SYSTEM on the Xbox making it a MODERN CONSOLE... a Dashboard that can actually act as a operating system... imagine XBox running Android by example, its possible as Android ran so well on 256mb ram phones on the past...

  • @SocialisedMedicine
    @SocialisedMedicine 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +158

    My gut instinct is that the stability issues are due to the interposer increasing the length of the PCB traces. I know from personal experience that one traces being just one or two mm longer can cause errors in signaling, even at the slower speeds that these old devices run at. Also this is even more obscure, but changing the width of the traces can cause weirdness with signal reflection. If the interposer uses thinner traces and doesn't perfectly length match them then that's my bet for the core problem.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I'd say it's more likely just a faulty chip or a little extra voltage is needed

    • @mikeyjnz
      @mikeyjnz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      I don't know if it was still a thing in the celeron era the Xbox was built on, but older PC's if you wanted to go above a certain threshold of ram, it'd actually run slower if you didn't have an equivalent increase in the CPU cache memory that stored the increased address range of the system ram. Given the whole point of celerons was same MHz with less caching for cheaper, if this was paired with the CPU upgrade mod, would that unlock the proper speed and reliability of the extra megabytes?

    • @TheGamersRace
      @TheGamersRace 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'd say that is most likely the least problematic issue here.

    • @sedrosken831
      @sedrosken831 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mikeyjnz You're misunderstanding that concept -- that was an issue primarily with motherboard-resident cache controlled by the system chipset, lasting from the 386 era on up to the Pentium MMX for Intel, and the K6-2/III for AMD. It wasn't necessarily the cache size in and of itself but rather the Tag RAM. Once we kicked over to CPU-resident L2 cache, like on the K6-2+ and III+, every Athlon, the Pentium Pro and onward, that issue either became much less prevalent (in the case of the K6 line) or disappeared entirely.
      In short, you can throw as much RAM at that thing as the chipset will address and there will be no slowdown.

    • @W2wxftcxxtcrw
      @W2wxftcxxtcrw 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You’re saying there not impedance matched but I doubt it matters that much here.

  • @amshermansen
    @amshermansen 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Gotta appreciate the continued efforts to refuse to let this console die.
    The chips should come pre-bent though imo. Just to ensure a safe and consistent install.

  • @KennyPham
    @KennyPham 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    This and the pentium 3 upgrade are crazy advances for the xbox modding scene.

    • @Ichijoe2112
      @Ichijoe2112 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And, almost as old now too.

  • @michelvanbriemen3459
    @michelvanbriemen3459 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I like that the Xbox is becoming the Amiga of consoles. Neverending performance upgrades that don't have an immediate application, CPU upgrades / accelerators, memory expansions that weren't possible when the machine was new, it's fantastic.

  • @fenriswolfretro6729
    @fenriswolfretro6729 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    Where this modification will really shine is in improving the performance of current emulators that run on the original xbox. More RAM = more space to load ROMs into for a smoother performance. But they would have to each be modified to take advantage of the extra RAM.

    • @ThexthSurvivor
      @ThexthSurvivor 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was about to comment the same thing. 👍

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@fenriswolfretro6729 with more ram you can use HD TEXTURES on HalfLife2 at 720p ok the original Xbox... Or increase the VIEW DISTANCE on games like Morrowind, making the xbox looks like a 360 in graphics.

    • @weinerschnitzel7
      @weinerschnitzel7 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There is no point. We already have a hard disk and have been using it for ROM paging for years.

    • @juanmillas665
      @juanmillas665 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      i want Mame on OG xbox for 3d games like Street fighter EX And more acurate speed emulation on Neo Geo

    • @qsxmirage7274
      @qsxmirage7274 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Real ram chips will always be faster than virtual memory management ​@@weinerschnitzel7

  • @official_kex
    @official_kex 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    Why would anyone upgrade the RAM of their original XBOX if it has no use? *BECAUSE THEY FKIN CAN* - And i think thats amazing

    • @JoshLineberry
      @JoshLineberry 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      256mb of ram would actually be so amazing for me! It's something I've been wanting for a long time!

    • @another3997
      @another3997 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Amazing? Yes. Practical? Not really. Dangerous to the health of your Xbox? Possibly. I mean, I can chop my hand off if I want to... but just because I can, doesn't mean it's a good idea. 😂

    • @BlueEyedVibeChecker
      @BlueEyedVibeChecker 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @another3997
      It may be a good idea if you're hungry.
      You may be out of food, but you're not out of options.

  • @edale2
    @edale2 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    The thing to do here is to start with 2 working unmodded original Xboxes. Take the RAM chips out of one, and put them in the other, making that one a 128 MB mod; then put these chips in the other Xbox, making it a 256 MB mod.
    No waste.

    • @England91
      @England91 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You mean like stacking them on top of each other??

    • @edale2
      @edale2 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@England91 that's actual the method on a v1.6 motherboard, but on v1.0-1.5 motherboards there are 4 unpopulated sets of RAM solder pads, you just need to solder the 4 RAM chips from the donor board into those 4 slots to do the 128 MB RAM upgrade. After that it's just a matter of having firmware capable of utilizing the RAM.

    • @fadingbeleifs
      @fadingbeleifs 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Why?? You can get brand new RAM chips for it today!

    • @edale2
      @edale2 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@fadingbeleifs For if you're like me and have 8 spare Xboxes sitting on a shelf, lol.

  •  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    I legit misheard "Prehistoricman" to "PrehistoricNAND"

    • @ChrisEbz
      @ChrisEbz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought it was prehistoricman until I read this 😂

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😂😂😂 i like "Nand" a lot more

    • @LenoxFilms
      @LenoxFilms 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      PrehistoricRAM

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Both are accurate at this rate

  • @trogdo0r179
    @trogdo0r179 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    As you were bending the pins, I was like oh this is not good.

  • @m3rkinfiniteofwgkta
    @m3rkinfiniteofwgkta 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    I like the videos, but every time I look into doing any mod myself the parts aren't being sold anymore.

  • @ianray9137
    @ianray9137 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Could you imagine the possibilities with a 1.4ghz processor upgrade and 256mb of ram on an original xbox? Holy smokes! I bet if there was a proper bios for something like that, it would be able to do alot more.

    • @ETERNAL_MODS
      @ETERNAL_MODS 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Exactly because the stock cpu is 700mhz with 128mb cache and the tualatin 1.1 to 1.4 are 512k cache and faster speed. A faster ram like that could help emulators for shure :p

  • @tigheklory
    @tigheklory 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Awesome video Tito! New out a 1.2 Ghz CPU upgrade in it too!

    • @David-gr8rh
      @David-gr8rh 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Don't you mean 1.4ghz

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@David-gr8rh 1.233 pentium 3 or 1.3ghz Celeron tualatins are way cheaper than the 1.4-1.5ghz ones.

  • @F1dude.
    @F1dude. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Damn. I really want an og xbox. Maybe sometime in the future

    • @FoxUnitNell
      @FoxUnitNell 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Their clear green xboxes were very cool, really the most appealing console at launch considering it was playing pc games that needed systems that cost three times as much as an xbox.

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ive been seeing the prices slowly rising these past couple years. Id say the sooner the better

    • @garystinten9339
      @garystinten9339 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@0JayDoubleUAgreed.. even a basic model would be ideal..

    • @0JayDoubleU
      @0JayDoubleU 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@garystinten9339 absolutely. Especially since they have a fairly easy maintainance and easy to mod if u wish

    • @kenabi
      @kenabi 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i've got 3 of them i want to do all these mods to, but they keep adding to the list. the fiends. making them obsolete before i can even get them.

  • @brandogg
    @brandogg 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +101

    Maybe if this mod came out 20 years ago it would have some real potential, at least for making a better homebrew/media center Xbox, but can't imagine any developers doing anything with this in 2024.

    • @Ichijoe2112
      @Ichijoe2112 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      It did, right along with the 1.3Ghz PIII mod. The difference was you either scraped the Chips of a doner board, or you bought a batch of 'em to do it. Problem is after Twenty Years of NON PRODUCTION, supply finally went the way of the Dodo as they say. This update (To that Mod), address that last issue. As to what you'd use it for?
      That would likely. Be one of two things
      Sega Chihiro (i.e. Virtual Cop), or a full XBOX SDK environment. Again. Same today, as it was Twenty years ago.

    • @Puretea4711
      @Puretea4711 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      true... the box is dead af.... also the mod szene for the og box

    • @Wobble2007
      @Wobble2007 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      You don't like the idea of using the Xbox as a classic Win98 & DOS PC?, I do, got to say, being able to just plug in an Xbox to my VGA monitor or CRT TV and firing up my favourite late 90s PC games sounds incredible, setting up a Win98 PC can be a little tedious, both from a hardware and software point of view, the OGXBOX literally has everything under the hood for complete 80s through to 2003 PC support, imagine not having to mess with drivers and settings, and turning retro PC gaming into a plug & play console experience, yes please on that for me, even Amiga OS could be run complete with MIDI and soundbanks audio compatibility.

    • @afewspokesloose2699
      @afewspokesloose2699 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@Wobble2007
      That sounds interesting. Has there been developments ademend stuff like Dosbox to utilise the memory?

    • @marcelosoares7148
      @marcelosoares7148 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Wobble2007Can you do a dual boot setup with that? Like switching freely between the Xbox retail mode and the "PC mode".

  • @SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim
    @SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This would of been a cool *256K subscribers special* if you had waited just a day or two ❤

  • @x66Hawk66x
    @x66Hawk66x 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is pretty cool, one thing is for worth thinking about, it could open up allot of possibility's for the home brew community with PC ports ETC. I will probably stick with my 128mb build for the foreseeable future, but I will be keeping a close eye on this project. I know JCRocky5 has been moving in this direction with his softmod, I think he has even considered 512mb support. It's crazy that even after this console has past the 2 decade mark, it still has such an active community.

  • @Innumerical_
    @Innumerical_ 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    a 3D printed template of some sort for bending the pins would be cool.
    Create mounting holes on the PCB that lock in to pins on the template. The template would have beveled edges to press the "legs" onto with a length of firm plastic.

  • @alanbenson1505
    @alanbenson1505 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thank you for this video. I am going to dust off my Crystal Xbox and do this at some point.
    At around the 9:00 mark. If you prep the motherboard pads with a thin coat of solder before tacking the chip, the chip installation will go easier. I would have prepped the pads, added more flux, then tacked a few pins as you did. I would hot air this into place only because I have a board pre-heater. I get why you did it how you did. I'd have drag-soldered it too without a board heater , just with the pad prep steps I mentioned earlier. Great job all round. Subbed!
    For context, micro-soldering has been my job since 1989.
    PS. My Crystal Xbox is my Guinea pig machine. Anything that proves good on that makes it's way into my green machine..

  • @prototype_pandad6536
    @prototype_pandad6536 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    well i dont think ive clicked on a video so fast. I freaking love this channel

  • @fffUUUUUU
    @fffUUUUUU วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The CCPway business model: they take free and open source PCB design like this, and then some Chinese сомм unists noname garage shop produces a ton of devices for profit

  • @AcuardThe3rd
    @AcuardThe3rd 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Wouldn't this be a good alternative to do the 128 MB RAM upgrades for Xboxes that are 1.6 motherboards? Since they only have four slots because this would work better versus trying to double stack RAM?

    • @JoshLineberry
      @JoshLineberry 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      If this would alow us to do 128mb on 1.6s with 4 regular chips that would be amazing!

  • @hongosorongo
    @hongosorongo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Amazing video as always! Along with the ModXO modchip this is probably the best modded XBox on earth. The only thing missing would be the replacement of the processor for the 1GHz that Retro Renegade Repairs made. Great content Tito!

    • @ffviifakeremake9997
      @ffviifakeremake9997 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      All we have to do now is put a PCI slot in and replace the Processor and we have the most powerful Xbox ever modded 🤣

    • @nekomasteryoutube3232
      @nekomasteryoutube3232 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ffviifakeremake9997 imagine if we could tap into the motherboards chipset to add another IDE channel so that the DVD drive and Hard Disk can be ont heir own IDE controllers (and allow SSD upgrades to run at full speed while the DVD drive is being accessed)
      Also PCI would be interesting but I doubt that could be done like my idea for another IDE Controler

    • @hongosorongo
      @hongosorongo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@nekomasteryoutube3232 You never know man... Most of these mods were just a dream at some point and look how far the modding scene has gone. Maybe it's a matter of time? *crossing fingers*

    • @Urist_Mythrilforged
      @Urist_Mythrilforged 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Throw in an HDMI mod and it gets better.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Or make a custom mobo with a SATA controller so we can use XB1 BluRay drives

  • @GameSack
    @GameSack 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One game I know of that runs into RAM limitations is Out Run 2... the first one, not Coast 2 Coast. There's a certain hill in one stage that can get a little juddery when you go over it and it lasts maybe a second. At least I'm assuming it's main RAM since it was originally made for the Xbox arcade hardware... not sure if there were any GPU or VRAM differences in that. Of course the game would likely have to be hacked to take advantage of any extra memory.
    BTW was the Xbox outputting at 8K in your video? Or was it just playing an 8K file downscaled internally to 480p or whatever?

  • @auugh64
    @auugh64 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i enjoy your videos man

  • @LDCoronel1
    @LDCoronel1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    In fact the interposer pins should be shorter than the original 2001 ram chips. That allows to solder the pins without the need to bend them too much or the interposer could be designed with the pins on the pcb and that could help to solder on a 90° inclination

  • @DaiAtlus79
    @DaiAtlus79 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i would love to see someone like Modern Vintage Gamer chime in on things dealing with this ram, as he wrote the N64 emulator and some others on the Xbox, and the ram could be put to better use as shared VRAM with a rewritten BIOS and Kernel ie not just replacing a dashboard, but rewriting the implementation of binary executables like heavier emulators and DosBox or other ways to run things on it, like say a VM environment to let one boot OLDER operating systems like Windows 98 so one could run older PC games with the addition of a Keyboard and Mouse. Linux would be easy, as one could simply port a low-footprint distro like a 32 bit Puppy Linux version but built with modern 32 bit packages from Debian, for example. You could make it into a server for things like Insignia, with the extra ram being there to host other players on private games. Im suspecting with how the performance with the 8k video that cut to 1/4 ie 1080p one could possibly get the hardware to run that level of video using the extra memory as Vram. As well, Texture upgrade packs and upscaled ports could also be a thing, BUT pair this upgrade with a better CPU like the upgrades that can be done now to double that CPU speed and you could really have something there!!!

    • @Moved2Rumble
      @Moved2Rumble 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can already boot Windows 98 on the Original XBOX, naturally the additional memory would help, especially when running other applications.

  • @icedlottie
    @icedlottie 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    always love to see your vids on new life being brought to the xbox... ive been a fiend for the xbox since 2002 and still play on my childhood 1.0 model regularly! ive even opened it up a few times to fix the dvd drive and replace that pesky clock cap...... keep up the good work!!!

  • @jooei2810
    @jooei2810 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That is some nice soldering action!

  • @gabrielbraga7670
    @gabrielbraga7670 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This mod could really help emulators specially N64, if i remember correctly there is a memory problem when cartridge games are to big for 64mb so the emulator store some files in the HDD slowering the overal performance.

  • @dakotart1984
    @dakotart1984 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Using a modified xblast chip would allow you to test each memory module one at a time installing it. Refer to Modzville's xblast videos. Popping all 4 chips off and roux chambeau'ing the install of 8 and assuming you'd get them right on the first shot is ambitious. What should be done is remove each stock chip one at a time testing functionality of each in xblast. Replacing them in order, then proceeding to the empty slots. Another thing not covered was emulation and 3rd party software. This is known to have significant performance leaps with a 128mb console. Its also worth noting that module stacking has existed.

  • @DannyTan6675
    @DannyTan6675 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Having two games run at the same time would be useful for a quick resume fucntion, while the suspended game can be partially unloaded to allow for the main game to take up more resources, having a quick resume function would allow you to swap between games quickly. Not very useful in practice, but a neat function all the same.

  • @exnihilo1910
    @exnihilo1910 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, I will never get tired of the console animations in your videos. As always the rest of the video is great but the animations... Wow!

  • @Sun-ut9gr
    @Sun-ut9gr 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Been thinking about this a bit lol. Using flat flex like that is not ideal. I'd suggest castellated terminations for the next interposer revision. The connections would be more secure and the extra real estate can be used to address some of the issues regarding the RAM timings!

    • @jdownj
      @jdownj 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The issue is that none of the accessible PCB manufacturers will do castellated edges on such a fine pitch… hence the hack

    • @Sun-ut9gr
      @Sun-ut9gr 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jdownj That very well could be a problem. I know it's possible because I've seen fine pitch castellations, but they were on ITAR regulated assemblies.

    • @jdownj
      @jdownj 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Sun-ut9gr that brings up an interesting point. I have no idea if PCB technology is regulated in any way… BUT the board manufacturers that can work down to that small are probably busy doing stuff that is more profitable for them than a hobbyist project like this…

  • @technocolossus7763
    @technocolossus7763 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Impractical, but why am I tempted to do it all the same? Who can I tell to shut up and take my money?

    • @Wally17.
      @Wally17. 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, me too.

  • @mattliston1215
    @mattliston1215 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    this opens the door up to kickass Morrowind modding. Between cpu upgrades, the ability to overclock the front bus (which got several of my OG's to over 800mhz), and the large amount of ram, homebrew just got a kick in the ass to pave the way to more fun weekends!!

  • @TheMavastone
    @TheMavastone 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for this information:)

  • @DavitTheCore
    @DavitTheCore 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Damn Half Life 2 might have benefitted from more RAM. Well, a Pentium 3 would be the actual upgrade that would make Half Life 2 work very well.

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@DavitTheCore you can overclock every original Xbox to 900mhz fsb 133 to 166 the max of the XBOX Nforce2 chip, and HalfLife2 runs flawless even in 720p with 128mb ram... But with 256mb you can USE HD TEXTURES on HalfLife2 like the PC... the only that the XBOX port lacks, it uses SD textures because of the low ram.

    • @DavitTheCore
      @DavitTheCore 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SargentoDuke I guess that could very well work! I'm not sure the end result would be as good as a Pentium 3 modded Xbox (just like shown by modern vintage gamer).

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DavitTheCore Xbox had a way better Motherboard than a pentiumIII and way better optimized software

  • @UserX-02
    @UserX-02 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    What could an Xbox do with such memory

    • @SILVRXIII
      @SILVRXIII 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Finish the video

    • @R3TR0--93
      @R3TR0--93 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      my taxes?

    • @thecircuitbox
      @thecircuitbox 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Nothing, literally.

    • @saddlesore_adventures
      @saddlesore_adventures 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Nothing useful. Each home-brew app, each game must be modified to utilize additional RAM. As there are no devs working on software patches and the mod itself is not trivial, it will never gain meaningful user-base. One day you may see some random game patched, or some app with 256mb support released, but that's it.

    • @pavma7
      @pavma7 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Run StarCraft Ghost

  • @ffviifakeremake9997
    @ffviifakeremake9997 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is so interesting, your last video on the Raspberry Pi Pico blow my mind. Which Raspberry Pi Pico should I pick up to mod the original Xbox? I've seen one called the Raspberry Pi Pico W and I'd like to see more Raspberry Pi modding in the future 👍

  • @alexgonzales89
    @alexgonzales89 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is what the scene is all about doing mods with less the stellar results to hopefully one day be stellar results lmao

  • @KenjiiD
    @KenjiiD 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Think this is the earliest I've ever caught a video after upload😂

  • @chasefournier
    @chasefournier 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The PCB design is really nice! Would be really cool if you could add higher storage ram modules. Like a 512mb chip to the PCB. End up with 4gb of RAM haha

    • @hexidev
      @hexidev 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Doesnt have the same architecture so it wont work...

  • @garystinten9339
    @garystinten9339 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hoping this sparks some interest back into the modding scene to have someone patch software to add an option to tweak variable ram usage so the system itself can determine (equivalent of adjustable bar like more modern pc systems today) the ideal amount of ram as well as manual slider option for tweakers to get the ultimate setup.

  • @dinosqautch6941
    @dinosqautch6941 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’d never try this mod. But I love stuff like this great video man!

  • @vguyver2
    @vguyver2 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    So we have a mod now for both a faster processer and more Ram for less faster loading and less crashes.
    Just something as a console gamer that throws me off since I am very old school.

  • @AmaroqStarwind
    @AmaroqStarwind 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    We have CPU upgrades, we have RAM upgrades, we have DVD ROM upgrades, and we have SSD mods…
    Now we just need a GPU upgrade.

    • @talibong9518
      @talibong9518 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      At this point we might as well go all in with a custom mobo running a modded Xbox BIOS. There must be a surplus of older CPUs and GPUs out there with similar architectures like Core2Duo and certain Nvidia GPUs that we could plop onto said board with a skt775 DDR2 memory controller and a GB or 2 of RAM

    • @Ichijoe2112
      @Ichijoe2112 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That would probably do more for Ops 1fps YooTube at 8k woes. Least we forget the XBOX basically had a gForce 2GTS Chip inside it. Which was already old by the time they put it there.

    • @8bitnation419
      @8bitnation419 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      RTX 4090

    • @u263a3
      @u263a3 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AmaroqStarwind might as well buy a new PC

    • @Wobble2007
      @Wobble2007 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@Ichijoe2112 The NV2A is basically a GeForce 3.5, closer to a GF4 which is a powerful GPU relative to its generation, it is more than enough for games of that era, especially considering that GPU was designed with 1024x768p to 1280x960p in mind, and the OGXB only needs to render @ 240p-480p, add to that almost zero OS overheads, fixed hardware optimizations and the bare-metal API, you could say it squeezes at least 50% more performance vs its desktop equivalent. It's just starved of RAM, unfortunately.

  • @vas729
    @vas729 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tito is the Mr. Rogers of the modding scene and I am here for it!

  • @Alex13mod
    @Alex13mod 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    another great video brother!

  • @brode562
    @brode562 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    almost 20 minute video and you're not gonna show any games running with the ram upgrade? not gonna show 720p video playing on it at full speed? what a waste of time.

    • @joshsimpson1739
      @joshsimpson1739 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😊😊

    • @NotTheRealBBC
      @NotTheRealBBC 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed. A lot of fluff dressed up nice

    • @SargentoDuke
      @SargentoDuke 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      720p needs a CPU upgrade to run... or overclock the stock CPU to 900mhz, or change the CPU to 1ghz or more with a 370 interpoder, that is WAY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THIS RAM UPGRADE, having a new ram modules that are DDR2 adapted for the original xbox is awesome, as its a "new part" not like the CPU that are "limited old hardware". Anyway, all XBOX can run at 900mhz even 1ghz from stock, overclocking by software.
      There are no patches for use that ram, but for example games like MORROWIND you can use 256mb de ram to increase the VIEW DISTANCE.

  • @doodlebroSH
    @doodlebroSH 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Recommend spending a little more time finding an actual use case to demo this. Playing an 8K video is an utterly useless benchmark.

    • @another3997
      @another3997 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Which is exactly what he said in the video... but he also said, there's nothing that can take advantage of the extra RAM at this time. I guess listening and comprehension aren't your strong points. 😆

  • @juninhosa4260
    @juninhosa4260 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great idea! Keep going !!

  • @Em.P14
    @Em.P14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i am astonished that this works from both hardware and software standpoints

  • @alectrona6400
    @alectrona6400 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    5 views in one minute? bro fell off

    • @notimportant3033
      @notimportant3033 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      3 likes in 3 minutes? Blud fell off

    • @Maximus20778
      @Maximus20778 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why so toxic

    • @alectrona6400
      @alectrona6400 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Maximus20778 it's a joke :/

  • @spragzpc1
    @spragzpc1 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Can't wait to see where this ram mod takes us in the future

  • @rv_jumpshotz1139
    @rv_jumpshotz1139 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m so happy to see the scene still thriving! Long live the greatest modded console

  • @H20-Water-Pro-LLC
    @H20-Water-Pro-LLC 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A real cool mod that doesn't do much of anything. Bummer... great job on the sweet work!

  • @jinxterx
    @jinxterx 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice! What temperature was your heatgun at when desoldering the RAM chips?

  • @emagid3599
    @emagid3599 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great watch as always. Hope you will consider doing a video on the new Benn Venn GGHD IPS screen. I would like to see your perspective on this new version compared to the older GG IPS screen from a few years back.

  • @ZeroX252
    @ZeroX252 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It seems like a 3d-printed jig for bending the interposers gently and evenly could also prevent the issue. I do wonder if just making the interposer a flex PCB instead of a solid PCB wouldn't also work though.

  • @BawkBawkBawk666
    @BawkBawkBawk666 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As someone of whom the art of soldering is lost upon, you sure did make the process look easy.

  • @Dekerus
    @Dekerus 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dude, you have the best intro music on TH-cam. Just my opinion. ❤

  • @mirrakirra
    @mirrakirra วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pretty sure this has been done before, but it's still rare and difficult. Good job accomplishing this.

  • @mrwang420
    @mrwang420 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Actually with the 256mb of ram it might be possible to do what the new xbox does and that is keep a running game running but in the background while being able to open up and run another game. and be able to switch back and forth between the two. Or even a website loaded in the background.

  • @rtbear674
    @rtbear674 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I upgraded the hardware so it uses nvidia rtx 4080, 64gb ram, nvme ssd, now it run windows too, then can play xbox games.

  • @itchyisvegeta
    @itchyisvegeta 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, this is an amazing mod. Can't wait to see what else comes of it.

  • @sharoyveduchi
    @sharoyveduchi 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ReactOS can run on the original Xbox. 256MB of RAM is more than enough for a normal ReactOS install on a normal PC. If ReactOS got further support, it could eventually be an option for treating your Xbox like a Windows XP PC

  • @rayndaba3166
    @rayndaba3166 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your music selection 🤤🤤 its proper

  • @mikem1323
    @mikem1323 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Many years ago, I bought 4 extra RAM chips for the Xbox. After the struggle to put them in, and it makes sense, there was no benefit from what I saw. The software I ran had all been designed for 64megs and had no idea the other memory was there. Maybe some emulators will be written to use it, but most of the older systems already fit into the 64 megs already installed. Would be nice to be able to make a RAM disk as a cache but that seems like a lot of work for very little return.

  • @hiRyan329329
    @hiRyan329329 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember people doing this a few years back by stacking the original ram modules on top of each other, so even this is a far easier install comparatively. Would love to see where this project ends up once a bios is built to really utilize it as well as some game mods to hopefully make use of it

  • @Doyle69
    @Doyle69 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video once again.
    Just a tip when using the hot air gun, the nozzle you had on, although it worked, it can be a pain as the hot air is narrowed down to a small spot, for something like the RAM chips, its actually much better to have no nozzle at all or a large one, that way you get more surface coverage and will lift in one with less chance of pulling/tearing off a trace.

    • @user-yk1cw8im4h
      @user-yk1cw8im4h 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Might feel like god to be an expert at hot air nozzles and nick-picking others with your special knowledge.

    • @Doyle69
      @Doyle69 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@user-yk1cw8im4h

    • @stevenbryant1011
      @stevenbryant1011 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@user-yk1cw8im4hstop being rude, big nozzle = wider area, it's like a hose. It doesn't take a gods knowledge to know that, just simple physics

    • @Doyle69
      @Doyle69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevenbryant1011 That guy clearly doesn't watch or listen to the videos, I hear a lot "Im not an expert in soldering, any tips will be helpful" and you know.. someone thinks i'm been a "god"... I just don't entertain people with a sad life that they have to put others down for helping in future projects, damned if you, damned if you don't with them kind of people.

  • @bkims
    @bkims 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These interposers are quite cool and definitely have applications outside of xbox upgrades. Many retro devices using that the SGram or SDram package type could possibly take advantage of them. Retro graphics cards for example.

  • @Thewickedjon
    @Thewickedjon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    tito uploaded a new video?
    0k, time for my weekly therapeutic session.

  • @sethinneon
    @sethinneon 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Watching someone with this level of soldering skill is mesmerizing

  • @OfficialGaminGuys
    @OfficialGaminGuys 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You really need a chisel tip when installing RAM. One of the reasons I bought a TS-101 from Ali, it comes with 7 different tips (which are replaceable UK side for £12 each if you burn them out). I cringed when I saw a pointed tip because coverage to the pins is limited (hence your fractures when you attempted to solder them). Doing the 128mb, I don't even remove the heatsinks, just fly through it, just a tip for the future. Keep the solder limited and feed same as you was doing. Certainly interested in the process, will have to reach out see if I can try a set UK side. As always thanks for a nice clear vid and tut. Time to sub

  • @Sun-ut9gr
    @Sun-ut9gr 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Might want to stake those modules down with some silastic/RTV or even some hot glue after verifying they work.
    As far as the stability issues, it could also be the mapping of the traces on the interposer itself. More testing would be needed to figure it out. This is an awesome project though. Amazing work!

  • @luislanga
    @luislanga 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This dude can solder

  • @ScientificZoom
    @ScientificZoom 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ok, taking old bios into modern one would be interesting 🎉, though I very much appreciated the efforts

  • @mathieuberthalay21
    @mathieuberthalay21 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for your video 🤩

  • @dmxdxl
    @dmxdxl 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Damn, I watched this video and saw your sub count is at 255K, woulda been truly insane if it was magically at 256K for this video, like poetic almost haha, oh well!!...

  • @WiKiTWoNKa
    @WiKiTWoNKa 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So did you only put four new RAM chips on the top side and not on the bottom side I really couldn't tell. Is there more slots open on the bottom side?

  • @makedaevilmage
    @makedaevilmage 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is such a cool mod! Been thinking bout trying to upgrade mine to 128mb but didn't get to it yet tho. I'm curious what the future holds for a 256mb xbox tho.

  • @123cooldude500
    @123cooldude500 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fun fact: There's a certain model of PlayStation 1 (SCPH-5000) that you can upgrade to 8MB of RAM for better homebrew compatibility.

  • @TheLegendryZelda
    @TheLegendryZelda 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not being individual pins I think it helps a whole lot better to bend them all at once and it does looks more modern

  • @realdragonrude
    @realdragonrude 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's always cool to see people finding something new with og xbox when you think everythings been done
    Seamus Blackley is smiling right now

  • @gummy1204
    @gummy1204 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Instead of rigid flex, you may be able to use castellated edges as the connection. This would completely solve the bend problem and make the mfr process cheaper.

  • @kevrosbane
    @kevrosbane 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this isn't the first 256 mod u could place 16 chips on top of each other, but i am glad to see this as its a more fordable and less hassle way to do upgrades these days.

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone56 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    God, the OG Xbox community has never stopped progressing at all. Never died, never slumped. I wish I could say the same for other beloved consoles, but truthfully most console scenes go dead for awhile, like the PS3 community currently. And some consoles have yet to have a vibrant homebrew and modding community, like fact the Neo Geo Pocket Color has no modding or homebrew development aside from IPS and flash cart mods. Makes me wonder what exactly keeps the OG Xbox community still thriving.

  • @Not_mynumbness
    @Not_mynumbness 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That heat shield is awesome

  • @StephanieHua
    @StephanieHua 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It’s cool to have more RAM but it only benefits homebrew apps at the moment.
    But at least you can be future-proof for something like a potential modded BIOS that can improve official game performance.
    For now, I am waiting for the ultimate end-game mod to play my “legally purchased” game backups

  • @EirikrTinkerTries
    @EirikrTinkerTries 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve heard of 128MB upgrades but never 256MB! This is amazing! Do… do… you do mail-in upgrades for disabled fans?
    Not to mention the ultimate 1+GHz CPU upgrades (1.5GHz)
    Then a 4TB SSD upgrade, upgrade the VRAM, a Blu ray optical drive, and dual boot the mod launcher/or Linux or FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD.
    Biggest issue rn is needing someone to reverse engineer the nvidia driver / hardware to properly merge it into the Mesa or Mesa Amber nouveau project for OpenGL acceleration on Linux/*BSD, etc.
    (Honestly would love to see SerenityOS with X11+Mesa full 2D/3D acceleration)
    So then… run one of those operating systems on here… and then have an Xbox emulator running on that… so emulating the games on upgraded native hardware via a UNIX-like OS that also gives us a full desktop OS experience to be used as a Plex front end, TUI Discord frontend, and many more modern but light weight solutions.

  • @jcags
    @jcags 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm sure another application would be mods that change textures. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see coupled with the CPU upgrade.

  • @107bande
    @107bande 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Now that the 1GHz CPU Upgrade and the HDMI mod and we got a perfect Xbox