Who Does Online GT3 Racing Best ? - LFM Assetto Corsa Competizione VS iRacing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- As a player of both iracing and ACC I thought id talk over the key aspects of each simulator when it comes to online ranked racing and review what each sim does best , specifically when it comes to online racing.
You can get into lowfuelmotorsport.com here for free with you only needing Assetto Corsa Competizione to play , iRacing on the other hand will cost around 250-300 a year to race.
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One thing you forgot to mention for online racing is track limits. I've only played ACC but it's quite nice, especially if you're having a battle and have to cut a corner or go wide, if you don't gain any time it lets you get on with it, and even if you cut you get a few warnings before a penalty.
Whereas i have seen you have to be really careful in iracing with track limits and it can kill a nice battle.
Also, i don't get all the gatekeeping comments for LFM. I'm not very quick, like 3-4 seconds per lap easily off the quick guys and i qualified on my second attempt for LFM. It means you don't get absolute newbies entering your races that's all.
For US time zones iracing is the only option.
As GM said there are races full of drivers at all hours now on LFM
@@Chris.B.20 last time I checked there wasn’t but I will check again. Iracing has roughly 8 splits during peak US times.
Very true! Try to sneak in a race right after work. Have you ever raced with sim racing 604 leagues? Another good option
@@charliebeckey6269 another downside to ACC is it just runs so bad in VR compared to almost every other title.
@@Joedub917 Yeah LFM is never going to be that full at EU early AM hours but at least you should get a race.
Lots to unpack here :) . well here are my thoughts. its like... a 3 way discussion or debate and all things arent equal. Iracing seems to have greater overall selection, yet lacks the polish of ACC. Hands down ACC looks, sounds, and feels better. IMHO. But thats an ACC vs Iracing discussion. The Iracing vs LFM discussion is more complex. On the surface LFM (seems to be) structured VERY similarly to Iracing with its split methods and performance scoring. I think the BIG difference is that in many ways LFM seems to act like a "gated community". if you arent within 105% of being cool... hit the streets rookie. (engage automated response of "get better then!" here) I feel that as unfortunate. Now I have raced both ACC and IRacing and seen the same level of quality and play in the splits I am in. I have seen people of all skill levels who SHOULD know better... divebomb and crash people out. SO id argue that the higher split drivers do it too on occasion. Plus on TH-cam there are plenty of highlight reels showing it. SO its universal... just less frequent in higher splits id say. But I feel that LFM unfortunately excludes a ton of capable and eager drivers that just want to race CLEAN. So less about overall speed, more about quality of event. I think the smartest thing Kunos (or similar) could do would be to create a fully open LFM style server (like iracing) and allow the splits to be governed and controlled by the metrics LFM already utilizes. Open the gate a little more.. or completely. Make it a paid service if necessary. Thats GOOD thing! if you have THAT many people eager to use your service... you are doing something right. IF you want to keep the community tight.. then leave the gate closed and prepare for the developer that will create competition.
On one hand I agree that gatekeeping in LFM is overly excessive. On the other hand I can understand that, at least at the moment, the flood of new users needs to be throttled in order to keep the load within the abilities of the community to handle. Despite that quite high bar to pass the license, they're massively growing, with over 50 thousand members already. I can imagine LFM becoming too big for their own sake quite soon.
It is not a question of gates... In LFM there are a lot of people that doesn't have racecraft. They race with the brain set on off. They can be fast for a qualifying lap, like the best in the world (in quali usally there is no more than 2 second from 1st to 30). But when the race begins: they defend a 22th place , like it was the last lap of the last race of the World Championship. And make you lap 1 second slower (or even more). Dangerous divebombs. Over aggressive at the start and risk to crash half of the field only to gain a position that they can't even defend when the race go on. Stupid rejoins. And I can also go on lol. Don't misunderstand me. I LOVE LFM. I race there daily and I am in Split 1 since I don't know when. It is for that I say all I said. I am often in the midpack, and I see a lot of bad things. The problem is not LFM, or iRacing. But in the brains. I don't want a train of under aggressive people doing only a race based on pace. But damn... There is also something in the middle.
The only thing I would say to this is the licence lap time is not that high a bar. Getting within 5% might not sound like much, but that's 3s of leeway for every 60s of laptime. The main challenge people seem to have is that the licence tracks are (deliberately) less popular tracks, so there's a practice gap to be bridged but anyone semi-competent can get it done.
@@reckanize believe me : more people than you think have difficulties to get the license. And also other 2 things : there are splits, and in the long game rating never lies. So a part from the beginning where you can have a boost winning some races in Rookies, you will race almost always with people of your skill. And then also in AOR championships there are hotstint qualification, and then you see the carnage also in Split 1 sometimes. So hotstint is not that reliable as a "bar".
@@reckanize interesting argument for sure. I do question the bar though. so for laughs I looked at actual performance data at a couple tracks from this year. I looked at the times for qualifying at Snetterton in the British Gt Championships for GT3s. If using the fastest time (of that qualifying session anyway) and applying a 105% cut off.. the two bottom drivers not only would not have qualified to race.. but they would not even be allowed to race in the entire series at all. They would have been disallowed if the LFM model was employed. There are SO many variables that extend far beyond "semi competency" that impact lap times. It is observable real automotive sports and SIM alike. Hence why I say it feels as though the gate has been set so tight that it is designed to exclude many sim races that wild like to be a part of community but for whatever reason cant quite hit the times. They arent as fast as the as the top 105%, but they are serious about sim racing and may even have amazing race craft. My point is that real world racing doesnt seem to employ as tight a margin of exclusion, why should SIM racing? I think i understand some of the logic... slower drivers = lower skills = more wrecking.. maybe. But I see alot of very fast drivers employing extremely poor race craft skills that would not exist if they were in a physical car. And m not trying to come off as bashing LFM, rather ... see an opportunity to expand the community in a healthy way and a way to provide meaningful racing to a larger group.
You can find a full LFM split anytime if your in a European time zone. Theres a distinct deadzone for about 6 hours around gmt 0000 to 0600 so if your in the Americas or APAC region you might be s o l.
The king is which ever you like best - happy to hear you have good words to say about LFM
The only issue with LFM is that it’s based in Europe which means lag for everyone else is crap. They need more servers around the world🇦🇺
ACC could have the best most realistic GT3 cars in the world plus a super awesome ranked system but when it looks and runs as bad as it does in VR it's a hard pass. If I was a pancake racer then I may have a different opinion.
LFM is Top 👍 for me iRacing is over as I only race in GT3.
I think I'll follow the same path.
I think Iracing recognises the need to adapt they recently aquired Monster games and released their first game on consoles World of Outlaws so it be interesting to see what they do next
Asphalt racing in iRacing feels more floaty and disconnected than even Project Cars 2 🤷🏼♂️
Unfortunately for us Aussies LFM servers are almost unplayable with 300+ Ping Yikes 😨😨
Whist I respect your opinion, some of your views on the suspension in ACC, and how grip returns in a slide etc are just incorrect. Kerbs can be a problem if the suspension is set too low, or, too close to the bumpstop, or, dampers are too stiff.
As for the slides, usually TC will hammer in and absolutely BUTCHER laptime. When you are on the limit, it's really a delicate task to get the power down and get useful traction out of the corner. Different cars in ACC behave quite differently in every circumstance, yet the laptimes are almost identical. They deliver laptime in totally different ways. Some cars can hit a kerb and be really upset, others will be more stable.
I do agree the driving is generally cleaner in ACC. I think as a sim, it's very focused and niche (GT3/4 and cup cars), and this attracts a more serious sim racer. Iracing can sometimes be the first step on the ladder for most newbies, and this can cause some carnage unfortunately.
Both sims serve different agendas really, and both do a good job overall. The physics running on ACC is very advanced, which can cut access to only those with good hardware. So this can lead to people on older machines having a bad experience on ACC.
Would love something similar to LFM but for AMS2
They put a poll up on discord asking for input of adding more sims 👍🏾 AMS2 was one
@@MiserableRacer Nice! is still up ? if so lets all vote xD
@@ricardomaya2001 Yes
@@MiserableRacer from info I saw some weeks ago, Reiza need to probably redesign MP so that LFM team can work with it and make servers.
As a spectator only, I prefer watching acc streams.
Wish it had better streamers though, jardiera fake happy go lucky attitude is cringe
@@BodieMoto fake happy?
@@BodieMoto why you hating man lol
Idk, but I'm sick and tired of and the wreckless assholes in iRacing rookies, there hasn't been a time where I don't get rear ended out of the track and a couple times by the same asshole once.
Protesting is a pain in the ass and I think useless.
So I will just quit the iRacing deal altogether and focus my energy on ACC
The licensing process seems complicated but I think it's well worth it, at least you can drive any car you like pretty much.
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I thoroughly enjoy both. I think one thing missing on the netcode comments is it really depends what part if the world you are in.
Located in N.A I have amazing ping(33ms) with iracing servers and netcode rarely any issue. but when I play ACC with there servers located in Europe I get (80-120ms) and get many more and see many more netcode incidents. But I understand why and plan accordingly when playing
If LFM starts hosting AMS 2 Races ACC will die off pretty quickly
God alive another thing wrong to get all ACC your looking about 35 quid at least check your facts I know your iracing fanboy plz get and have a check Ty
Yeah screw paying to race cars digitally. and that is that. Budget SIm all the way.
You had me at Free😁😁😄😄
You soz haven't got a clue I race every day and we chat alot on ACC so sorry matey but your wrong were on discord
Gt 7 does online racing the best in top split
Assetto Corsa 2: Return of the Grip
nice ffb rant video, too bad you forgot to comment the race
RaceRoom should be here.
Agree totally, excellent racing sim.
@@stormforce9521 yeah just doesn't have the player base
I honestly would like to play more iracing. I've often thought if they take the free-to-play model and charge for tracks and cars they would make more money because of the increase in players.
That would be nice but I was think more like the netflex of sim racing have subs and unlock all the conetent.
no they won't because trolls :)
Clearly not since that's RR's model.
i dont mind paying a monthly subscription for a really good online racing environment with curated servers and races and whatnot.
but i do mind paying for my content to be playable offline when i want to take a break from online racing maybe for a few months.
they are already selling the cars and tracks at a premium, they charge more per car and track than any other racing sim (while tracks wise those dont even look as good as the competitions versions) and then if you want to use it offline in an AI race you have still to pay the monthly subscription.
thats to me just a bad look.
Kunos should hire/buy LFM. Spend the year learning what people want and then integrate it in AC2.
What do you Prefer to race on iracing gt3 or LFM ACC? Contemplating to renw my iracing(getting back to sim again after 8 years) or get ACC
ACC is unplayable in VR even with a 3080ti or better. I want to be able to play it so bad but there is no focus on improving VR at all from kunos, thus I am stuck with Iracing.
I think Raceroom is the best online sim it just works with 30 people on a grid and a tight first corner slides can be saved but their still is a point of no return as iracing slides cant be saved really at all and Racerooms ffb is second to none it givea you all the information you need to drive fast and consistently
Acc does it best as every other game maker desperately makes gt3 into their race game. Shows how popular acc is and that the other race games looses players
5:20 @gamermuscle please stop 'breaking' your cars, braking would be better.
Untill AC2 comes out, then all drivers from ACC will go to AC2 and ACC will be dead online sadly because I like ACC but who knows I will like AC2 more…
@@guidofoc7057 I do man, I have high expectations, because ACC has best sounds so AC2 I expect even better sounds for road cars offcourse like identical real life sounds because sound is very important for immersion for me personally and then physics will also be there because ACC is already good enough..FFB also ok.. just some more realistic damage. Visual and mechanical more advanced together with Nordschleife and it’s a succes in my eyes. Want to try iRacing but gave it a go awhile ago and it’s too much buying. ACC is 1 pakket. Buy all and you’re good. And DLC is very cheap. Total price is nothing compared to iRacing. But for peoples with deep pockets is no problem.
ACC is the best sim in my opinion. LFM is great also. Just hope to see new tracks for ACC; like Daytona, Sebring, VIR, Road America and Road Atlanta
iracing GT3s have also got a serious issue where they are now significantly quicker than the real world cars at most circuits - Needs fixing
I like both sims and bounce between the two! Lately I’ve been doing more IRacing than ACC! However one thing I don’t like about IRacing is how they OP new cars (merc) just to sell more and GT3 is a one manufacturer race! If u don’t use the merc u stand no chance!!!
Right now I bounce between 5 sims. my favorites at the moment Automobilista 2, Assetto Corsa and iRacing
Doesn't sound like that money hungry franchise whatsoever....
I’m glad you said the FFB in ACC is meh, I used to think it was fine when I had a CSL - but then enter a Simucube 2 pro and try something like original AC or RFACTOR2 and you realise when you go back how bland it really is…plus it runs crap which is a shame cos AMS2 shows you can be beautiful and silky smooth.
Wouldn't lowering damping and dynamic damping help with the self aligning force feedback and increase the detail? I think I managed to get it pretty close to the feel I get on AC by lowering those settings... Actually as far as I was aware, AC1 only applies damping when the car is stationary.
No , ACC simply doesn't have the detail in the FFB.
Only way to get the information is with an acuforce wheel with foundation FFB (as you can bypass the games ffb) and even then it's worse than other Sims but still way better than default ACC.
Another nice thing with the Acuforce wheel software is you can switch from the games ffb to custom ffb as you drive so it makes it even more obvious exactly what's missing and how uninformative ACC ffb is.
I have also played ACC with every wheel on the market and tried it with litrally 0 filter interp or dampening.
No other SIM has as bland FFB as ACC for tire grip / range of sustained forces for grip.
AC,RF2,R3E,AMS1,AMS2 are litrally on another level compared to ACC , to be fair iracing FFB also massively lacks this front end grip detail as well.
Nice video. Thx. Pls do you use real head motion program in this video?
No I use lock to horizon with sims as i find it much more comfortable on large screens / reduce smotion sickness / road stays clear like it does in real life.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Yes. I have same settings. I do not understand how so many good simracers use that fix dash camera and road is shaking like crazy - it is totaly unralistic :) Please, whats your settings? I have lock to horizon on 62 and movement on 100 % (setting below lock to horizon). Your widescreen is super. I have only 27" 16:9. Thinking to buy some 21:9. Thank you
@1:01 night time is the right time
Rabble rabble rabble
At least with iRacing I can pay and race. With LFM I need to qualify first, something that's eluded me even after hours of practice.
If you can't get your licence at LFM, you shouldn't think of racing with others, you'll only ruin other people's fun.
@@maarkkes9618 What is it about this effing elitism in sim racing - just like you're doing to me right now.
@@slaphead90 I do think his comment was a bit rude, but he does have a point. I'll use myself as an example. I'm a fairly mediocre driver, but even I was able to put the effort into getting a license, and now I'm able to participate. That time you put will help you regardless, so why not just do it?
@@slaphead90 It's not elitism at all. I don't want to race with someone that can't control his car at a minimum level. That's why the licence exists.
@@slaphead90 it is said a bit blunt, but the license is there for a reason. There is no beginner car like the mx5 in iracing.
So new drivers jump into a gt3 immediately which is a lot faster.
the license is only 7 laps at reasonable pace.
Otherwise there would be drivers 6,7,8 seconds off the pace causing unpredictable moments that would ruin other peoples races.
Maybe you would be the one that is predictable and get out of the way, but most new drivers wouldn’t be.
It’s just to ensure a good race for everyone.
Quite frankly the license is not that hard, so with a bit of practice it shouldn’t be an issue.
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You lost me at, "...iRacing looks fantastic ".. What? LOL. iRacing looks like it could run on a ten year old smart phone. 😋
Apart from that, great and entertaining video as always. 👍
Play in VR or on OLED screens at 120FPS with litrally butter smooth frame rates and you appreciate frame timing more than shaders.
Also iracing looks nice and sharp without shadow shimmer and other stuff so sure it's not the most advanced looking image but it's a very usable image.
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ACC #1
I think automobilista 2 has the best FFB. But the game is dead. And that's a shame
The key thing with AMS2 ffb is the developers allow players to massively change the FFB if they want to by editing a ini file for custom ffb.
The default ffb in AmS2 is also way more detailed than ACC specifically for variations in sustained loads , allowing you to know where the limit is.
How is LFM free? Remember that if something is free that means you're the product.
Or they've found investors who believe it'll return a profit when they someday turn it into a paid service?
iracing is quite inaccurate for gt3 imo. Biggest issue with LFM however is it's gatekeeping. You can increase your playercount without matching the really shitty drivers with the decent ones, that's the entire point of matchmaking. Even the lowest splits in iracing behave decently vs acc public lobbies so the LFM 105% laptime serves nothing but reduce it's usercount like some form of elitism
I love ACC, but LFM is a trash service, and splits the user base. And then you honorably get the opportunity to play one fucking track a week to not only be crashed out just as much as public lobbies, but also have every wanna be racer that crashes you upload a video blaming the incident on you so you get a penalty a week later when you log in. ACC needs its own ranked lobbies that aren't the trash comp servers is already has, else the game is gonna die off as the player base continues to splinter, and the new wave of sim games start coming out like Rennsport and such.
Oh the salt. How much you spent on iracing sire?
@@vecnejhipik5349 no I prefer ACC I have given I racing several times from when I had a belt to a dd wheel. I don't like I racing it has zero feel or texture to the road. I really like ACC, just literally every time I give LFM a chance I get rammed in the ass out of nowhere just to have them try to blame me, my last race on Silverstone a guy literally rammed me gave me rear damage then goes for an overtake a bit later and brakes on the apex and I barely tap him. Yup I got a massive penalty, but the guy that rammed me and broke my car got nothing, great stewards and classy racers -_-
Someone's had a bad experience on lfm hahaha
I'm 4 races in so far and have to disagree, or at least say my experience has been the complete opposite. Everyone has been really clean and the one time I did get punted into a spin, the guy literally stopped and waited for me to re-pass him.
I’m sorry but the incident reviews from the stewards are pretty spot on @ LFM.
If you got a penalty you were probably the one at fault.