Nice one, Dave. Valuable information, and exactly what I noticed, though in the opposite direction (ACC > iRacing). The curb handling at Monza in particular stood out, because it's not a subtle difference. In the end, for me, the subtle pedal dance and curb handling of iracing, combined with the solid frame timing had more relevance to real driving, so I tended to prefer it. That said, both still err in their own ways so it's really about picking the trade-off you prefer.
Having been a member on iRacing since 2009, and around 500 hours on acc in the past year, I just don’t run the gt3 on iRacing. Doesn’t matter if one is right or wrong. I find running a different car class on different sims helps reduce the problems when bouncing between the two. Nothing to compare between a gt3 car on ACC and a prototype on iRacing. I assume both are correct and move on with life.
I've excelled at your first tip about expecting to be slow and run at the back of the pack, so much that that position is almost guaranteed to be mine every race. Goals!
Quick note about the TC and ABS on ACC (abbreviate much? :) ) The systems are modeled after their real-life counterparts, so they vary from car to car. Generally, in EVO models you can set them higher without much loss in performance, whereas in older cars they are more aggressive/intrusive and it's better to keep them somewhat lower and modulate the pedal inputs more. Oh, and everyone should drive Aston V12 at some point, otherwise what's the point of existence :P
The V12 aston is without a doubt my favorite car in ACC, I don't even care that it isn't as quick as most of the other cars, but goddamn that NOISE when you get it up close to the walls
I’m huge fan of iRacing, but I’m glad that ACC gonna be very popular becouse of LFM and I hope that guys from ir start to work harder and delivering us some more than another track or car!!! We need that fight to get better sim!
I just want some fixed setup racing in ACC. I wanna race the man, not compare how much more free time he had to put in 30 hours on a setup. What are we comparing who can out try-hard each other? It's almost like real racing, you can buy your way in.
and your pit crew cant even sort your tyres out for you xD its a pain for beginners without motorsport engineering degrees ! i dont expect it to be arcade but for the sake of lower skilled lobbies, make cars less erratic, the tuners and/or pro drivers can still tune and be quicker. I know some basic tuning from previous games but ACC i find i more complex so harder to judge, and with the required laps to test, its far too long as each TEAM, not just car model has its own saves.. so you save a Bentley setup & jump in a different garage but same car, you have no saved tunes for it.. that becomes too tedious to just enjoy
@@Manc268 I´m not sure if this is true but I heard it´s better if you pick a car and focus on improving your setup for that one car, this is apparently how you are meant to play it. When I watch dudes like James Baldwin play I notice he always drive´s the 720s which is the car he races in real life. My guess is ACC was made in a way that would attract real GT3 drivers which in turn promote the game more but has made it difficult for casual gamers.
@@MrSilverfish12 acc was originally developed on comission from SRO (who run the formerly-named blancpain gt series) so yes, it was developed for this type of car only and for people who know them very well
Started in ACC went to iRacing, but especially on iRacing i really learned controlling a car way more (ofc loads of different classes) in contrast on acc where i just learned every trick to do on a track to get the speed out of it.
this. ACC is so much more about the "secret sauce" what with counterintuitive track limits and being so setup dependent. ACC is still my favorite sim but I'll be the first to say that iracing made me better at ACC but the other way around, for me, would never work
@@RDMracer The Audi is my favorite but it's far from being a tricky car. I think the easiest is the Aston, you can't spin it, followed by the 458. I think the Audi is like the 3rd most stable and easy car to drive, but it could be just me who is much more in tune with the audi than to any other car
that's always been one of the big issues with ACC for me is those curbs and the way the tyres and suspension behaves... i have almost 2000 hours in ACC but ive never really been happy with the tyres, i refuse to believe they should behave so differently based on .5 of a psi here or there and regardless of correct pressures or not the car handles like there is zero give in the tyre wall and suspension, we just dont see cars behave like that rolling up curbs in reality unless they hit a sausage head on, it seems ACC has always had an issue with tyres and how they gradually roll onto a surface, they went over to a 5 point tyre contact point system because of that issue and it still just isn't there i dont think, regardless of the angle you take a sausage you are always hitting it like its a wall rather than the tyre gradually rolling into and over it. we just get used to it over time and think its the most realistic GT3 sim ever known to man but i think there are core underlying problems with the tyre and suspension behaviour, even the new forza motorsport is spouting about how its going to have an 8 point tyre contact patch. i think ACC is great in most areas but yeh, im surprised when something feels that amiss that the devs dont seem to care too much... maybe, maybe im wrong and GT3 cars do crash over sausages at any angle, we have all seen the tumbles cars take at monza in real life races. i will say ive been playing some AMS2 recently coming from ACC and feel like a god on track, its so controllable and the quality of the player base is very much lower, ACC does take itself more seriously and it shows in the players that play it. AMS2 does feel more realistic to me in many ways though, but only in some cars.
LFM entry level time at snet is too low for most people trying to find clean racing. The irony is that this high bar for entry doesn't prevent dirty racing from happening at the lower levels of LFM. this is the unspoken truth nobody ever discusses. I had no difficulty in doing so but I don't think it's fair at all to the people who can't break 1:50.whatver at Snetterton that "nope you're not fast enough to be in our cool kids club so off to public lobbies you go". I love ACC a billion times more than iRacing but the reason iRacing "wins" is because there's a place for e v e r y o n e to find good racing
@@atticushexcel9567 which car do u use? I’m main Honda, but m4 gave me this consistent pace I needed. Went from 1,55 to 1,49 in two afternoons. One of my laps was 1:50.50, on the limit. I trained in hotlap and then I found the license track one to be second faster.
Optimal tyre pressures is actually more of a window than one sweet spot. the optimal pressure window is 27.3 - 27.9 for dry. Same goes for the tyre temperature, it's a window between 75 degrees and 95 degrees.
I started with ACC and went to iRacing and now run both. My biggest complain about ACC is the cars feel like tanks, they’re heavy and like you said, you drive like a barbarian either 100% throttle and 75% throttle into and out of corners. Iracing you brake about 25 to 50 feet sooner than ACC in the same cars on the same tracks or you just over shoot and understeer like mad. IRacing you actually have to learn how to balance and drive cars. But the pricing is still absurd. That being said, what I love about ACC is each car feels and handles way different per track. On iRacing every car in GT3 feels the exact same and can do the exact same inputs and times. With a hair of change. I still prefer iRacing over ACC for driving. But prefer ACC for the racing on LFM. SR in ACC is a terrible grind session, SA in iRacing is much faster to get up and down. Sometimes down too fast due to idiot drivers.
man, I'm not sure you've put in much time in iracing gt3s. the cars do NOT drive the same. if you drove the lambo like you drive the merc you will die. same with the bmw/lambo. The Ferrari drives different than all of those since it's a rear engine gentlemen car. also, if you can drive all the gt3s (less the ford) to the same lap time before this week's update then you are a special driver cause no one is doing that right now. the cars are never close. there's always .5 to .7s gap between the cars at best depending on the track.
@@WarLock0722 I literally posted it. GT3 cars are probably some of the most similar. Especially in fixed class. Which happens to be the most popular series. And I own the merc, m4, Ferrari and Porsche. Porsche is just easy to lose grip but as far as brake points and inputs it’s the same.
@@mrmidnight32 very few people would agree that the gt3s drive similar to each other. maybe if you only drive fixed setups where they have the cars so understeery but even then they still drive different.
I can’t seem to comfortable get under the 2:00 at Silverstone. I need some practice but I don’t really know where I can improve. Probably maggots and packets
To me this just means very sim is a bit different so you have to learn the specific sims unique ways. I've never driven a real racing car and so I've no point of reference for realism. I find it funny when others like me say one sim is more realistic than another when they also have no IRL experience to go against. What they probably mean is I'm better at driving the sim I've spent the most time playing and this other sim doesn't do what I expect.
One of my good friends has done several GT3 and open wheel driving schools, and he’s also an avid sim racer. From what he’s shared with me, realism is somewhere in between iracing and ACC. iRacing emphasizes small details too much and weight transition isn’t communicated well, while ACC communicates car weight well, but is too vague and lacks detailed steering and brake feel. Tire pressure/heat simulation seems far better in ACC.
Tbh I like both sims but it’s the constant tweaking tyre pressures etc that puts me off ACC even with the crazy amount of setups out there - some of us don’t have the time or inclination to bother with that side of things and just want a nice fixed series which iracing is perfect for.
Dave, I have tried to get into ACC, however I cannot get the FFB to feel right. I have a SC2 Pro and use Dan Suzuki's ACC setup for TD and in-game. It just pogoes through the corners and feels awful. I switch back to iRacing and is rock solid and feels perfect. Also to get a decent frame rate with triple 1440p monitors it is sub optimal. Sure ACC sounds great but the FFB and graphics kill the immersion. I would really love to race in LFM but cant get these dialed in to be able to enjoy it. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Yeah, I tried over and over just to try to qualify for LFM, but never could get in. Seems like they have the requirement too high, even for a Pro-Am driver.
when the car hits the curbs in ACC it looks so wrong.. Hit it with the left front and the entire front end, left and right, bounces in the air.. it's wierd.
As a person that’s about to get their B license once the new season comes out on iRacing, I will be eligible to race GT3 (Im not a top split racer) I love the competitiveness of iRacing even if you don’t get podium, getting safety rating gives you a sense of accomplishment What would you prefer when it comes to GT3 racing - iRacing or ACC LFM
LFM is basically iracing gt3 series with safety an performance ratings. Everyday you have +- 5 splits on european time in the afternoon from monday to friday, on weekend you could have even more, so you will race towards people of your skill level. Usually people tend to be clean, but like iracing, you could always find an idiot, and like iracing, you can report him and he will be punished and even banned. Anyway the best idea for you if you own ACC would be to register on lfm before buying anything on iracing and try it by yourself. For me (class A on oval and road) LFM has made me forget iracing gt3 series, i was a gt3 only player and i prefer the handling of acc over iracing (this is just personal preference), and with current driving standards and playerbase of LFM i don't see the point on spending so much money on iracing gt3 series.
In my opinion ACC is a great sim, but what really ruins the fun for me is the tyre pressures. I love fiddling around with the setup but having to constantly be adjusting the pressures just takes all the fun out of it :( I do mostly endurance races and especially in endurances you're dealing with pressure changes a lot)
Imho very good video. Just small mistake, not 1% per degree, it's one pressure click, 0.1psi, 10%. And regarding kerbs .. it's not so generic in ACC. There are kerbs that cannot be cut, and some that can and should be cut (and most fast guys do) to use "whole track width"/to straighten out, and some corners that can be cut in some of cars (or classes, eg. GT4/TCX. Also in general front engined ones do better on kerbs) or in setups that are modified for better kerb eating, but some other cars shouldn't (many midengined do worse on them). Also some kerbs need to be cut for pace, but may result in one loosing tire pressure over race. Imho it should sound rather that many kerbs can be cut, except "fat sausage kerbs". Regarding kerbs there is also rain bit, that can make most of kerbs too slippery to be used.
Iracer for two about 2 years. I started ACC about 5 months ago. Got my SR up to just about 82 or 83. I was in no hurry and all my ratings were coming up nicely. One day I turned it on and my SR was at 61... all the numbers were down. I hadn't used it in a week. What the hell happened? Now I can't seem to get it going in positive track again. in fact my SR dropped to 60. needless to say my interest has all but vanished... just like my SR and other numbers. I want to have another go but I don't want to lose it all again because of some computer weirdness... Thoughts?
If you want to get that SR really up there quickly, you can go to an offline race with AI and crank their difficulty to a lower value and drive side by side or very close to them for maybe around 20 to 30 minutes. Longer races give you more rating. Once your rating is up there above 95 I would say (for LFM license run), then they're just numbers with no value to your experience
Great video! I think every sim racer should be playing both games as they are both amazing! I love the structure of iRacing, almost a league format week to week, and I really love competing in events with my mates on ACC.
Watch GT3 Monza Onboard Mercedes AMG GT3, GT Open, Driver Martin Konrad on TH-cam and you'll see that he never tries to skip over a sausage kerb. I think ACC probably have it right
Of course, you can find a number of situationa where drivers get launched in the air by taking a sausage curb when they shouldn’t. The whole point of those curbs is to discourage cutting the corners
Really helpful Dave, I thought ACC was a proper sim so had been using tyre pressures to control tyre temperature as you would in the real world. Will try your suggestions and hope that makes it feel more like driving on rubber tyres.
@@oskjan1 surely the brake ducts are used to control the brake temperature. Of course you get some heat soak from the brake disks into the tyre but it’s a secondary effect rather than a primary control. When trying to simulate a complex real system some compromises have to be made, it’s far simpler to choose a pressure range as the target control than to model the thermal dynamics of a tyre.
@@lugs118 they have modeled that heat soak and it has a significant enough effect that pros run them more open than optimal to prevent the tyres from dropping of at the end of the stint.
Braking 100% into the apex is complete BS if watching onboards that includes proper telemetry (not the ones showing a full bar after half the input). This behaviour in ACC over this kind of sausage curbs is BS as well, but that doesn't mean you can clip those at Monza T1 and get away with a better delta even in a modern GT3 in iRacing. You probably hit them with the front-splitter first. iRacing is certainly the better sim of the two in terms of a tutorial for the real cars, but missing the dynamics that ACC provides better. Overall AMS2 wins by far😁
Be careful with trail-braking in ACC. The rear-engine cars must have their braking finished before turn-in. This is especially true of the two NSX and all McLaren models.
Hi Dave, I have been following you with pleasure for some time because I share this beautiful passion too and having a hardware configuration similar to yours I would like to have some advice on your graphics settings for Assetto Corsa Competizione. Thanks and keep it up ...
i dont find a point in signing up to LFM if you arent from europe cause then the racing quality on ur end is asscheeks and everyone is lagging its just overall a worse experience... i am still however in rookies i dont know what its like in higher elo
One mistake some people make is they expect a particular car to handle the same in different sims. This isn't real life guys,a Ferrari 488 gt3 evo for example will have some similarities between racing sims but it is still the individual developers interpretation of the car and the virtual world it interacts with and that can vary greatly.
If in the example video Monza is laser scanned in both sims how can the curbs/sausages look so different? iRacing they seem a lot flatter than ACC. I get they may behave differently but I'd expect if both are laser scanned for them to look the same.
A lot of the laser scans in iracing are very old. I started sim racing on acc and they have a more modern version of spa, so i was used to taking blanchimont wide on entry on the green part. But that just doesnt exist on iracing.
Curbs are harder in ACC than in iRacing, but they aren't this bad as you are showing on the vid. You need to wait until your tyres are up to temperature (pressures might also have something to do with this but I'm no expert) and then you can start using them. Same thing applies with sausage curbs, for example at Imola turn 2. Avoid them until your tyres are warm (softer rubber) and then you can start going over them quite easily. Its been a while since I've raced in ACC so if I'm wrong please correct me.
im going from acc to iracing and the only problem i got it calibrating the brake pedal properly, im losing 3s a lap just because the brake pedal is either too soft or too stiff so im loosing massive amounts of time. i ordered new elastomers and new springs so ill try again when i get them...
I have 2 points to make after spending some time in ACC after nearly a year in iRacing - The way the car behaves on curbs in ACC does not feel very true to life - you hit the curb with your left wheel yet your front right side jumps up nearly as much. Thats not how physics work, if you hit a curb with left wheel even with very stiff ARB's and stiff suspension, one side should lift much more than the other and the other should stay in contact with ground - I feel like iRacing has this implemented better. Second point to make in ACC - VR is absolutely horrendous, and I would LOVE to play it full time, but I just cannot, the visual quality of ACC that I get in VR is just not appealing and I do not wanna play the game at all. I always see you play ACC and Jardier, and I get the 'yea, lets jump into ACC, I used to had good fun in there' then I realize how terribly it performs in VR and just sadly boot iRacing again
For your point 1: It depends on the car, track, car setup and how you hit the curb. Maybe the effect is exaggerated, but for example when you go over the last chicane at Suzuka, I think the car reacts as you would expect. Or those strips at COTA at start finish line after the last corner. If you go with your left side over them, car bounces up but I don't think the whole car get thrown equally. Second point: Yes, VR is horrendous.
@@jasonlundy4874 depends, if the car height was too low for the kerb it hits the front of the car and not the tyre. In that case it would make sense that the whole car bounces up.
@@jasonlundy4874 Sure. But if you go Freecam F7 in the game and look at that kurb, you'll see it's a massive one. I just tried and my car (M4 def AGG preset) bottom out. The kerb hits the front part of the car. You can actually "park it" on the kerb so that wheels freely spin. LOL. I don't know what else could the car do? Damage? There are kerbs in the game where you can "drive over" but at Monza, M4 def AGG preset has lowest ride height, 5cm.
@@jasonlundy4874 to be fair he hit the sausages not the curbs themselves at Monza examples. So the car yes bottomed out and jumped. For curbs behavior in ACC check the start of the video in Silverstone for example.
hi dave thanks for the tips. i never raced on iracing but still learned something. just saw 2 videos of you and your wife maybe you should do one again or race each other.
I got ya beat im slow in iracing and acc but stil love it and deff gaining speed slowly lol. Only been at this for 10 months. But love your vids and tips thanks.
Having tried both iracing and Asseto and also having some real life racing experience I can say iRacing is a sim and Asseto is more of a video game. The physics on Asseto just makes you feel disconnected with the car, specially the front tires. That demo of how it goes over the curbs is proof that their physics isn’t quite there. It bounced like both the inside and outside tires hit the curbs unlike iracing where it allowed you to run the curbs without upsetting the car too much since you were using the curbs with the inside, unloaded tires. AC is definitely fun tho but just not quite a sim.
I guess the fact we have to adapt between sims shows how far the sims still have to go before we get anything like realism. The "ideal state" would be that in a blind test you would have no idea which sim you were playing and you would be able to drive the same in every sim.
Those are very good points. When I first started with ACC I was banging my head on my wheel because the damn curbs would mess me up. After a while I learned how to work around those damn curbs. So now that I am used to not hit the very top of the curb I am able to enjoy ACC. But the funny thing is when I drive on iRaccing, Raceroom and AMS2 I keep thinking the curbs would mess me up. After a few laps my memory comes back. If you guys have yet to try AMS2 with the new updates you guys might want to check it out. AMS2 updates made a very awesome improvement.
Good video Dave! On a side note it surprises me that Iracing has unrealistic tire pressure simulation and what happened at the Spa race with the tire cooling. I hope Iracing can get those fixed soon. 🙂👍
I know realism is a touchy subject in this community, but it only takes watching a few onboards of irl GT racing to understand that they all rely on hard braking and the ABS and TC. That’s the point of those systems. Imagine a racecar, any racecar, in which you cant do a 100% braking, doesn’t make sense right? Same with the sausage curbs, what would be the point of having them if you could skip over them. In real life cara get literally launched in the air when hitting a sausage curb in the wrong way and speed, while in iRacing that’s the fastest way around a lap. Realism is a real thing when you are trying to simulate reality obviously, and ACC is far more advanced in those terms than iRacing, plain and simple
You might be wrong you would see next F1 race at Monza where even the F1 cars are getting as much as possible on the curves. Like a lot more then ACC allow you. Also if you watch some of the real GT3 racing they are way over the curves
are you sure you adjust the psi due to the air temp? I have always done it by track temp and a few other drivers have told me its right. I am guessing whoever told you its about air temp knows something I don't know
My biggest problem with ACC is the graphics even on this video ACC makes my head hurt. I have try everything I have seen on video or read about how to smooth out ACC while driving but always make nauseous then I jump on Iracing and is so much smoother. I have the most powerful Ryzen currently on the market with a 3090 GPU so I know my computer is not the problem. Also on ACC sometimes the car looks like is flowing went following them
Iracing seems to be more intuitive coming from real racing, in acc you can’t feel certain aspects of what the car is doing because they have not included canned effects into the ffb, the only way to get really quick in acc is to do 100’s of laps and learn the visual cues of what the car is doing, besides for the time needed to build a good setup to be competitive, that’s why fixed setup series are so popular, especially in leagues. Besides for the handling, one thing you notice going from acc to iracing is the clarity improvement, acc is blurry no matter what settings you use and you just need to get used to it. Out of the probably 50 real life drivers that I know. 45 of them won’t touch acc again because iracing feels like you are more connected to the car and can get on pace much faster from being able to feel the limits rather than having to see them.
Good video Dave. So many sim racers go from one sim to the next, drive one car a couple of laps and decide they don't like it because it feels different to the one they are used to. Whenever you go from one sim to another, give it time and attention for a coulp of days. You may be very surprised at how much you enjoy it. Maybe even more than the one you are used to.
ACC has been out for nearly 5 years and people are still complaining about this? Bro how? Get AC with mods if you want variety, ACC is that good because it is solely focused on GT classes
Nice one, Dave. Valuable information, and exactly what I noticed, though in the opposite direction (ACC > iRacing). The curb handling at Monza in particular stood out, because it's not a subtle difference. In the end, for me, the subtle pedal dance and curb handling of iracing, combined with the solid frame timing had more relevance to real driving, so I tended to prefer it. That said, both still err in their own ways so it's really about picking the trade-off you prefer.
Great points Dave, still trying to get speed on ACC, still….. thanks for sharing w us!
Having been a member on iRacing since 2009, and around 500 hours on acc in the past year, I just don’t run the gt3 on iRacing. Doesn’t matter if one is right or wrong. I find running a different car class on different sims helps reduce the problems when bouncing between the two. Nothing to compare between a gt3 car on ACC and a prototype on iRacing. I assume both are correct and move on with life.
The GT3 braking is more accurate of ACC. As Dave explained you can slam the brakes to 100% and ABS works, this is what the drivers do in real life .
@@Matt18880 ok
@@Matt18880 That's complete bullshit and all onboards with proper telemetry are proving that.
I've excelled at your first tip about expecting to be slow and run at the back of the pack, so much that that position is almost guaranteed to be mine every race. Goals!
Better to finish last than to not finish at all, that's my moto. I can be 16th out of 16 cars, but I finished when prob 30 cars started!
I have about 70 hours in ACC and untold thousands in iracing, loving ACC and cannot see myself road racing on iracing anymore
Yeah it’s honestly a great game
Quick note about the TC and ABS on ACC (abbreviate much? :) ) The systems are modeled after their real-life counterparts, so they vary from car to car. Generally, in EVO models you can set them higher without much loss in performance, whereas in older cars they are more aggressive/intrusive and it's better to keep them somewhat lower and modulate the pedal inputs more.
Oh, and everyone should drive Aston V12 at some point, otherwise what's the point of existence :P
The non-991.2 Porsche is also a vital experience in ACC IMO. Criminally fun to drive, at least until it kills you
The Jaaaaag is king lol.
@@SuffyANX Porkie at Bathurst - peak of masochism + optimism combo :)
@@mrmowersemporium Know what - I'm taking this baby to LFM tomorrow :)
The V12 aston is without a doubt my favorite car in ACC, I don't even care that it isn't as quick as most of the other cars, but goddamn that NOISE when you get it up close to the walls
I’m huge fan of iRacing, but I’m glad that ACC gonna be very popular becouse of LFM and I hope that guys from ir start to work harder and delivering us some more than another track or car!!! We need that fight to get better sim!
how doeslfm work
100% agree
I just want some fixed setup racing in ACC. I wanna race the man, not compare how much more free time he had to put in 30 hours on a setup. What are we comparing who can out try-hard each other? It's almost like real racing, you can buy your way in.
and your pit crew cant even sort your tyres out for you xD its a pain for beginners without motorsport engineering degrees !
i dont expect it to be arcade but for the sake of lower skilled lobbies, make cars less erratic, the tuners and/or pro drivers can still tune and be quicker.
I know some basic tuning from previous games but ACC i find i more complex so harder to judge, and with the required laps to test, its far too long as each TEAM, not just car model has its own saves.. so you save a Bentley setup & jump in a different garage but same car, you have no saved tunes for it.. that becomes too tedious to just enjoy
I'd prefer that to
@@Manc268 I´m not sure if this is true but I heard it´s better if you pick a car and focus on improving your setup for that one car, this is apparently how you are meant to play it. When I watch dudes like James Baldwin play I notice he always drive´s the 720s which is the car he races in real life. My guess is ACC was made in a way that would attract real GT3 drivers which in turn promote the game more but has made it difficult for casual gamers.
@@MrSilverfish12 i know, but even that takes an age with temp changes etc.. its non stop.. and not all cars are available in all modes...
@@MrSilverfish12 acc was originally developed on comission from SRO (who run the formerly-named blancpain gt series) so yes, it was developed for this type of car only and for people who know them very well
Started in ACC went to iRacing, but especially on iRacing i really learned controlling a car way more (ofc loads of different classes) in contrast on acc where i just learned every trick to do on a track to get the speed out of it.
this. ACC is so much more about the "secret sauce" what with counterintuitive track limits and being so setup dependent. ACC is still my favorite sim but I'll be the first to say that iracing made me better at ACC but the other way around, for me, would never work
Try the Porsche in ACC, or the Audi those are the tricky cars
@@RDMracer drie keer raden wat ik altijd reed (hint hint m6 daarna 911) dus ik zocht het al wel op.
iRacing made me better in general also so it did have its benefits in ACC but also can make it frustrating for me as it has its own quirks ofc
@@RDMracer The Audi is my favorite but it's far from being a tricky car. I think the easiest is the Aston, you can't spin it, followed by the 458. I think the Audi is like the 3rd most stable and easy car to drive, but it could be just me who is much more in tune with the audi than to any other car
that's always been one of the big issues with ACC for me is those curbs and the way the tyres and suspension behaves... i have almost 2000 hours in ACC but ive never really been happy with the tyres, i refuse to believe they should behave so differently based on .5 of a psi here or there and regardless of correct pressures or not the car handles like there is zero give in the tyre wall and suspension, we just dont see cars behave like that rolling up curbs in reality unless they hit a sausage head on, it seems ACC has always had an issue with tyres and how they gradually roll onto a surface, they went over to a 5 point tyre contact point system because of that issue and it still just isn't there i dont think, regardless of the angle you take a sausage you are always hitting it like its a wall rather than the tyre gradually rolling into and over it. we just get used to it over time and think its the most realistic GT3 sim ever known to man but i think there are core underlying problems with the tyre and suspension behaviour, even the new forza motorsport is spouting about how its going to have an 8 point tyre contact patch.
i think ACC is great in most areas but yeh, im surprised when something feels that amiss that the devs dont seem to care too much... maybe, maybe im wrong and GT3 cars do crash over sausages at any angle, we have all seen the tumbles cars take at monza in real life races.
i will say ive been playing some AMS2 recently coming from ACC and feel like a god on track, its so controllable and the quality of the player base is very much lower, ACC does take itself more seriously and it shows in the players that play it. AMS2 does feel more realistic to me in many ways though, but only in some cars.
LFM entry level time at snet is too low for most people trying to find clean racing. The irony is that this high bar for entry doesn't prevent dirty racing from happening at the lower levels of LFM. this is the unspoken truth nobody ever discusses. I had no difficulty in doing so but I don't think it's fair at all to the people who can't break 1:50.whatver at Snetterton that "nope you're not fast enough to be in our cool kids club so off to public lobbies you go". I love ACC a billion times more than iRacing but the reason iRacing "wins" is because there's a place for e v e r y o n e to find good racing
Agreed. The race craft and respect on LFM servers is VERY lacking. Sure, most of the guys are fast, but most will dive bomb you every chance they get.
@@atticushexcel9567 I wish I could @ an LFM mod here. There are so many people like this ^^
@@atticushexcel9567 which car do u use? I’m main Honda, but m4 gave me this consistent pace I needed. Went from 1,55 to 1,49 in two afternoons. One of my laps was 1:50.50, on the limit. I trained in hotlap and then I found the license track one to be second faster.
wanted to follow up on this. seems like the new Misano time is much more inclusive. Kudos to LFM!!
LFM is too hard to even get in, tried and tried, but no luck. Not a very effective system for me, and probably many others too.
Optimal tyre pressures is actually more of a window than one sweet spot. the optimal pressure window is 27.3 - 27.9 for dry.
Same goes for the tyre temperature, it's a window between 75 degrees and 95 degrees.
I started with ACC and went to iRacing and now run both. My biggest complain about ACC is the cars feel like tanks, they’re heavy and like you said, you drive like a barbarian either 100% throttle and 75% throttle into and out of corners. Iracing you brake about 25 to 50 feet sooner than ACC in the same cars on the same tracks or you just over shoot and understeer like mad.
IRacing you actually have to learn how to balance and drive cars. But the pricing is still absurd.
That being said, what I love about ACC is each car feels and handles way different per track. On iRacing every car in GT3 feels the exact same and can do the exact same inputs and times. With a hair of change.
I still prefer iRacing over ACC for driving. But prefer ACC for the racing on LFM. SR in ACC is a terrible grind session, SA in iRacing is much faster to get up and down. Sometimes down too fast due to idiot drivers.
man, I'm not sure you've put in much time in iracing gt3s. the cars do NOT drive the same. if you drove the lambo like you drive the merc you will die. same with the bmw/lambo. The Ferrari drives different than all of those since it's a rear engine gentlemen car.
also, if you can drive all the gt3s (less the ford) to the same lap time before this week's update then you are a special driver cause no one is doing that right now. the cars are never close. there's always .5 to .7s gap between the cars at best depending on the track.
Which specific cars do you refer to in iR that drive exactly the same?
@@WarLock0722 I literally posted it. GT3 cars are probably some of the most similar. Especially in fixed class. Which happens to be the most popular series. And I own the merc, m4, Ferrari and Porsche. Porsche is just easy to lose grip but as far as brake points and inputs it’s the same.
@@cbrunnem6102 I guess driving 3-4 races per week for the last 2 years isn’t much time then. $400 later lol
@@mrmidnight32 very few people would agree that the gt3s drive similar to each other. maybe if you only drive fixed setups where they have the cars so understeery but even then they still drive different.
TC works great in ACC, i make constant 1:58 lap times in Silverstone with the M4 even with TC set to 6. The car is so stable and fast.
I can’t seem to comfortable get under the 2:00 at Silverstone. I need some practice but I don’t really know where I can improve. Probably maggots and packets
To me this just means very sim is a bit different so you have to learn the specific sims unique ways.
I've never driven a real racing car and so I've no point of reference for realism. I find it funny when others like me say one sim is more realistic than another when they also have no IRL experience to go against. What they probably mean is I'm better at driving the sim I've spent the most time playing and this other sim doesn't do what I expect.
One of my good friends has done several GT3 and open wheel driving schools, and he’s also an avid sim racer. From what he’s shared with me, realism is somewhere in between iracing and ACC. iRacing emphasizes small details too much and weight transition isn’t communicated well, while ACC communicates car weight well, but is too vague and lacks detailed steering and brake feel. Tire pressure/heat simulation seems far better in ACC.
PSI simulator.. This is annoying and not real...
Coming the other way? ACC to iRacing? How would they go?
Tbh I like both sims but it’s the constant tweaking tyre pressures etc that puts me off ACC even with the crazy amount of setups out there - some of us don’t have the time or inclination to bother with that side of things and just want a nice fixed series which iracing is perfect for.
Dave, I have tried to get into ACC, however I cannot get the FFB to feel right. I have a SC2 Pro and use Dan Suzuki's ACC setup for TD and in-game. It just pogoes through the corners and feels awful. I switch back to iRacing and is rock solid and feels perfect. Also to get a decent frame rate with triple 1440p monitors it is sub optimal. Sure ACC sounds great but the FFB and graphics kill the immersion. I would really love to race in LFM but cant get these dialed in to be able to enjoy it. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Yeah, I tried over and over just to try to qualify for LFM, but never could get in. Seems like they have the requirement too high, even for a Pro-Am driver.
when the car hits the curbs in ACC it looks so wrong.. Hit it with the left front and the entire front end, left and right, bounces in the air.. it's wierd.
As a person that’s about to get their B license once the new season comes out on iRacing, I will be eligible to race GT3 (Im not a top split racer) I love the competitiveness of iRacing even if you don’t get podium, getting safety rating gives you a sense of accomplishment
What would you prefer when it comes to GT3 racing - iRacing or ACC LFM
LFM is basically iracing gt3 series with safety an performance ratings. Everyday you have +- 5 splits on european time in the afternoon from monday to friday, on weekend you could have even more, so you will race towards people of your skill level. Usually people tend to be clean, but like iracing, you could always find an idiot, and like iracing, you can report him and he will be punished and even banned.
Anyway the best idea for you if you own ACC would be to register on lfm before buying anything on iracing and try it by yourself. For me (class A on oval and road) LFM has made me forget iracing gt3 series, i was a gt3 only player and i prefer the handling of acc over iracing (this is just personal preference), and with current driving standards and playerbase of LFM i don't see the point on spending so much money on iracing gt3 series.
In my opinion ACC is a great sim, but what really ruins the fun for me is the tyre pressures. I love fiddling around with the setup but having to constantly be adjusting the pressures just takes all the fun out of it :( I do mostly endurance races and especially in endurances you're dealing with pressure changes a lot)
iracing is good but in terms of GT3 cars ACC is the most accurate sim.
I've purchased ACC but not made use of it yet. Effectively a new sim racer waiting for my setup, would you start off with ACC or Iracing first?
Imho very good video.
Just small mistake, not 1% per degree, it's one pressure click, 0.1psi, 10%.
And regarding kerbs .. it's not so generic in ACC. There are kerbs that cannot be cut, and some that can and should be cut (and most fast guys do) to use "whole track width"/to straighten out, and some corners that can be cut in some of cars (or classes, eg. GT4/TCX. Also in general front engined ones do better on kerbs) or in setups that are modified for better kerb eating, but some other cars shouldn't (many midengined do worse on them). Also some kerbs need to be cut for pace, but may result in one loosing tire pressure over race. Imho it should sound rather that many kerbs can be cut, except "fat sausage kerbs". Regarding kerbs there is also rain bit, that can make most of kerbs too slippery to be used.
So basically one of them is getting GT3's wrong, if they drive so different
I use neither simulation, but I'm curious to know if it matters to you which one feels more like "driving", or is it simply about the competition?
As an ACC player, I struggle with freaking Iracing.
I started on iRacing, always struggled with the braking, no matter what car, abs or not. I actually didn't take to long to get the hang of ACC.
Someone transitioning from gt7 os ps5, what would recommend to star with? iRacing or acc?
I swear you read my mind and posted the exact thing I was going to look up. I've always liked ACC but I only ever got good at Iracing.
I'm too slow to get an LFM license. Oh, well.
Same here, why do they make it soooo hard? Don’t you think safe but a bit slower drivers deserve a chance too?
Iracer for two about 2 years. I started ACC about 5 months ago. Got my SR up to just about 82 or 83. I was in no hurry and all my ratings were coming up nicely. One day I turned it on and my SR was at 61... all the numbers were down. I hadn't used it in a week. What the hell happened? Now I can't seem to get it going in positive track again. in fact my SR dropped to 60. needless to say my interest has all but vanished... just like my SR and other numbers. I want to have another go but I don't want to lose it all again because of some computer weirdness... Thoughts?
If you want to get that SR really up there quickly, you can go to an offline race with AI and crank their difficulty to a lower value and drive side by side or very close to them for maybe around 20 to 30 minutes. Longer races give you more rating.
Once your rating is up there above 95 I would say (for LFM license run), then they're just numbers with no value to your experience
I play assetto corsa a lot but find it almost impossible to drive on IRacing anyone have any tips?
Cutting curbs in ACC looks very unrealistic. no body roll.
I was good at acc then got iracing a year ago and struggled and still do to be quick in gt3s now I suck at acc and iracing lol its quite annoying
Great video! I think every sim racer should be playing both games as they are both amazing! I love the structure of iRacing, almost a league format week to week, and I really love competing in events with my mates on ACC.
A game --> you gotta learn its own mechanics.
Very good, LFM is TOP
Watch GT3 Monza Onboard Mercedes AMG GT3, GT Open, Driver Martin Konrad on TH-cam and you'll see that he never tries to skip over a sausage kerb. I think ACC probably have it right
Of course, you can find a number of situationa where drivers get launched in the air by taking a sausage curb when they shouldn’t. The whole point of those curbs is to discourage cutting the corners
i like acc but it is too much a setup sim, I like to drive and not go crazy with pressure, aero and other engineering bullshit
Try AMS2, the set ups are already tweaked for you.
I’m only on ACC but those are still the things I had to learn when I started x nice one Dave👍
So differently said: iRacing is different
those kerbs dont seem very realistic in acc
Cuz iracing isn't as real or accurate as ACC
Great video, thanks Dave!
Really helpful Dave, I thought ACC was a proper sim so had been using tyre pressures to control tyre temperature as you would in the real world. Will try your suggestions and hope that makes it feel more like driving on rubber tyres.
It seems, in ACC you control tire temperature with brake ducts.
@@oskjan1 surely the brake ducts are used to control the brake temperature. Of course you get some heat soak from the brake disks into the tyre but it’s a secondary effect rather than a primary control. When trying to simulate a complex real system some compromises have to be made, it’s far simpler to choose a pressure range as the target control than to model the thermal dynamics of a tyre.
@@lugs118 they have modeled that heat soak and it has a significant enough effect that pros run them more open than optimal to prevent the tyres from dropping of at the end of the stint.
Braking 100% into the apex is complete BS if watching onboards that includes proper telemetry (not the ones showing a full bar after half the input). This behaviour in ACC over this kind of sausage curbs is BS as well, but that doesn't mean you can clip those at Monza T1 and get away with a better delta even in a modern GT3 in iRacing. You probably hit them with the front-splitter first. iRacing is certainly the better sim of the two in terms of a tutorial for the real cars, but missing the dynamics that ACC provides better. Overall AMS2 wins by far😁
Arcade game vs Sim game ... 😉
Be careful with trail-braking in ACC. The rear-engine cars must have their braking finished before turn-in. This is especially true of the two NSX and all McLaren models.
I pass thanks. ACC is crap.
Hi Dave, I have been following you with pleasure for some time because I share this beautiful passion too and having a hardware configuration similar to yours I would like to have some advice on your graphics settings for Assetto Corsa Competizione.
Thanks and keep it up ...
I feel like a braking champ on ACC. Iracing is harder for me cause I can't just brake at 100
i dont find a point in signing up to LFM if you arent from europe cause then the racing quality on ur end is asscheeks and everyone is lagging its just overall a worse experience... i am still however in rookies i dont know what its like in higher elo
Love your videos I’m just starting iracing coming from ac haven’t played much acc but love the tips
One mistake some people make is they expect a particular car to handle the same in different sims.
This isn't real life guys,a Ferrari 488 gt3 evo for example will have some similarities between racing sims but it is still the individual developers interpretation of the car and the virtual world it interacts with and that can vary greatly.
went from ACC a few years back to Iracing and when in Iracing I was like where are my brakes! I can smash them in ACC, not so much in iracing
If in the example video Monza is laser scanned in both sims how can the curbs/sausages look so different?
iRacing they seem a lot flatter than ACC.
I get they may behave differently but I'd expect if both are laser scanned for them to look the same.
I'm guessing because they were scanned years apart.
iRacing's Monza is ancient. They still have the pedestrian bridge that was torn down in 2017.
@@azarisLP does that mean Monza as a track isn’t a fair comparison?
Any tracks that should be the same in both?
@@ahicracing884 Hungaroring is fairly new in iRacing
A lot of the laser scans in iracing are very old. I started sim racing on acc and they have a more modern version of spa, so i was used to taking blanchimont wide on entry on the green part. But that just doesnt exist on iracing.
Also if they're all sims and suppose to simulate real life, why is everyone different. How many different real lifes are there
Great work! Now we now everything.. so you can back to iRacing :)
Speak of the devil! I just wrote a comment about being excited to see what was said in this on the one where you mentioned it a few days ago!
Just look to penalty sys read and learn penalty,s at acc ar realy heavy 28 days ban ar real if you not drive by rules also life time ban
Curbs are harder in ACC than in iRacing, but they aren't this bad as you are showing on the vid. You need to wait until your tyres are up to temperature (pressures might also have something to do with this but I'm no expert) and then you can start using them. Same thing applies with sausage curbs, for example at Imola turn 2. Avoid them until your tyres are warm (softer rubber) and then you can start going over them quite easily. Its been a while since I've raced in ACC so if I'm wrong please correct me.
Good information. I'll stick with iRacing for now. My minimal time available make it too much to venture out. Thanks for the content.
im going from acc to iracing and the only problem i got it calibrating the brake pedal properly, im losing 3s a lap just because the brake pedal is either too soft or too stiff so im loosing massive amounts of time. i ordered new elastomers and new springs so ill try again when i get them...
I have 2 points to make after spending some time in ACC after nearly a year in iRacing - The way the car behaves on curbs in ACC does not feel very true to life - you hit the curb with your left wheel yet your front right side jumps up nearly as much. Thats not how physics work, if you hit a curb with left wheel even with very stiff ARB's and stiff suspension, one side should lift much more than the other and the other should stay in contact with ground - I feel like iRacing has this implemented better.
Second point to make in ACC - VR is absolutely horrendous, and I would LOVE to play it full time, but I just cannot, the visual quality of ACC that I get in VR is just not appealing and I do not wanna play the game at all. I always see you play ACC and Jardier, and I get the 'yea, lets jump into ACC, I used to had good fun in there' then I realize how terribly it performs in VR and just sadly boot iRacing again
For your point 1: It depends on the car, track, car setup and how you hit the curb. Maybe the effect is exaggerated, but for example when you go over the last chicane at Suzuka, I think the car reacts as you would expect. Or those strips at COTA at start finish line after the last corner. If you go with your left side over them, car bounces up but I don't think the whole car get thrown equally.
Second point: Yes, VR is horrendous.
@@alpha007org the curb behavior definitely looked wrong in Dave's example at Monza, comical really.
@@jasonlundy4874 depends, if the car height was too low for the kerb it hits the front of the car and not the tyre. In that case it would make sense that the whole car bounces up.
@@jasonlundy4874 Sure. But if you go Freecam F7 in the game and look at that kurb, you'll see it's a massive one. I just tried and my car (M4 def AGG preset) bottom out. The kerb hits the front part of the car. You can actually "park it" on the kerb so that wheels freely spin. LOL. I don't know what else could the car do? Damage? There are kerbs in the game where you can "drive over" but at Monza, M4 def AGG preset has lowest ride height, 5cm.
@@jasonlundy4874 to be fair he hit the sausages not the curbs themselves at Monza examples. So the car yes bottomed out and jumped.
For curbs behavior in ACC check the start of the video in Silverstone for example.
hi dave thanks for the tips.
i never raced on iracing but still learned something.
just saw 2 videos of you and your wife maybe you should do one again or race each other.
spot on video about going from iracing to ACC. Will help me enjoy it much better. Thanks!
Thank you mate 🙏
I got ya beat im slow in iracing and acc but stil love it and deff gaining speed slowly lol. Only been at this for 10 months. But love your vids and tips thanks.
Having tried both iracing and Asseto and also having some real life racing experience I can say iRacing is a sim and Asseto is more of a video game. The physics on Asseto just makes you feel disconnected with the car, specially the front tires. That demo of how it goes over the curbs is proof that their physics isn’t quite there. It bounced like both the inside and outside tires hit the curbs unlike iracing where it allowed you to run the curbs without upsetting the car too much since you were using the curbs with the inside, unloaded tires. AC is definitely fun tho but just not quite a sim.
Are the curbs in real-life act as in iRacing (friendly) or act as ACC (enemy)?
Thx Dave, good tipps! I have problems with stupid tyres pressure psis :))))) But just work make u to master :)
I guess the fact we have to adapt between sims shows how far the sims still have to go before we get anything like realism. The "ideal state" would be that in a blind test you would have no idea which sim you were playing and you would be able to drive the same in every sim.
Stay Off the kerbs Kermit in ACC 4 sure.
Those are very good points. When I first started with ACC I was banging my head on my wheel because the damn curbs would mess me up. After a while I learned how to work around those damn curbs. So now that I am used to not hit the very top of the curb I am able to enjoy ACC. But the funny thing is when I drive on iRaccing, Raceroom and AMS2 I keep thinking the curbs would mess me up. After a few laps my memory comes back.
If you guys have yet to try AMS2 with the new updates you guys might want to check it out. AMS2 updates made a very awesome improvement.
Good video Dave! On a side note it surprises me that Iracing has unrealistic tire pressure simulation and what happened at the Spa race with the tire cooling. I hope Iracing can get those fixed soon. 🙂👍
What is acc?
Thanks for this Dave, great information 👍 😊
iracing has a lot of outdated things but the online thing is why I’m on there. ACC definitely has a steep learning curve
Emree did this video yesterday......... edit : the title is identical but the content is very different
I know realism is a touchy subject in this community, but it only takes watching a few onboards of irl GT racing to understand that they all rely on hard braking and the ABS and TC. That’s the point of those systems. Imagine a racecar, any racecar, in which you cant do a 100% braking, doesn’t make sense right? Same with the sausage curbs, what would be the point of having them if you could skip over them. In real life cara get literally launched in the air when hitting a sausage curb in the wrong way and speed, while in iRacing that’s the fastest way around a lap. Realism is a real thing when you are trying to simulate reality obviously, and ACC is far more advanced in those terms than iRacing, plain and simple
You might be wrong you would see next F1 race at Monza where even the F1 cars are getting as much as possible on the curves. Like a lot more then ACC allow you. Also if you watch some of the real GT3 racing they are way over the curves
8:40 I love how the marshal flags are bigger than the marshal
Good video for those folk who are swapping between iRacing and ACC Dave.
My tip on ACC, dont play it for competitive side, there are many "drivers" who use software, they cheat.
Dave there’s a much simpler way of doing pressures.
For every 2° track temp, adjust tyre pressures by 1° give or take.
are you sure you adjust the psi due to the air temp? I have always done it by track temp and a few other drivers have told me its right. I am guessing whoever told you its about air temp knows something I don't know
Yep I've been using track temp and it's always wrong. I only know as many have commented on my videos saying it's air temp 👍
I thought Dave was announcing quite a different transitioning at the beginning of this!
Great video Dave, your spot on with everything you said. Just a bit of time and effort is all it takes. Love the content you put out mate!
Hi mate. What sim are you enjoying the most
My biggest problem with ACC is the graphics even on this video ACC makes my head hurt. I have try everything I have seen on video or read about how to smooth out ACC while driving but always make nauseous then I jump on Iracing and is so much smoother. I have the most powerful Ryzen currently on the market with a 3090 GPU so I know my computer is not the problem. Also on ACC sometimes the car looks like is flowing went following them
I can't drive it without using real head motion
@@davecamyt yea that definitely help a lot for sure. I would give another try since we are in week 13. Thanks for always having cool videos
About real life, curbs works like ACC or Iracing?
I think the curbs in ACC are a little steeper. I'm not saying any are unrealistic 👍
Great information Dave thank you.🤔👍
Some great tips Dave, hopefully your video will get many more over to ACC and LFM.
Great video, Dave. If you had to pick one Sim, which one would it be and why?
iRacing. For the online structure and variety of cars to race 👍
Thx Dave, I needed this.
Iracing seems to be more intuitive coming from real racing, in acc you can’t feel certain aspects of what the car is doing because they have not included canned effects into the ffb, the only way to get really quick in acc is to do 100’s of laps and learn the visual cues of what the car is doing, besides for the time needed to build a good setup to be competitive, that’s why fixed setup series are so popular, especially in leagues. Besides for the handling, one thing you notice going from acc to iracing is the clarity improvement, acc is blurry no matter what settings you use and you just need to get used to it. Out of the probably 50 real life drivers that I know. 45 of them won’t touch acc again because iracing feels like you are more connected to the car and can get on pace much faster from being able to feel the limits rather than having to see them.
great video !! :):)
Thanks
Thank you. Sorry, I've just seen this! 😁
Good video Dave. So many sim racers go from one sim to the next, drive one car a couple of laps and decide they don't like it because it feels different to the one they are used to. Whenever you go from one sim to another, give it time and attention for a coulp of days. You may be very surprised at how much you enjoy it. Maybe even more than the one you are used to.
my advice in this case is to change car classes when you change sim. Don't drive GT3 on ACC and GT3 on iR for instance
Unfortunately ACC is just GT cars.
Would be great if in the future they introduce open wheels cars.
ACC is a GTWC game so that wont happen since open wheelers aren’t raced in GTWC. Only the next Assetto Corsa will have various classes.
ACC has been out for nearly 5 years and people are still complaining about this? Bro how? Get AC with mods if you want variety, ACC is that good because it is solely focused on GT classes
@@fullsendsimracing im not complain. I have ACC and I mention that because the engine is newer than AC. I dont play AC.