P&S ModCast 99 - Gun Nerds 4: Commie Weapons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Primary & Secondary ModCast
Panel discusses the overmatch fallacy and com bloc weapons.
Panel:
Jordan Bowles- Carnik Con
Jose Gordon
Steve Fisher- Sentinel Concepts
Matt Landfair- Primary & Secondary
Buck Thomas
Calvin Truong- Firepower United
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Intro music by American Hitmen - Killing Floor
0:00 Intro
3:20 *OVERMATCH* (more like bro-vermatch, this clip is great)
10:50 Further Overmatch discussion, including reasonable ranges and fire+maneuver, .30 cal guns
18:30 More Overmatch, 6.8
22:37 .338 Norma Machine Gun, MG stuff
27:10 PKM, NATO PK's, Buck shows up
36:33 AK origins, materials, building and repair
46:15 AK Modernization, Vz. 58, AK-74 side mount and accuracy
57:35 AK manufacturers, muzzle brake
1:00:55 Further modernization, 100 series
1:08:20 Bullet Choices
1:12:45 VSS, Combloc unicorn guns
1:21:15 AN-94, AK-12
1:26:25 Pistols, PP2000, Jose leaves, more modernization and weird AK stuff
1:38:45 East German AKs, mag compatibility, gas block differences
1:45:00 AKs in 5.56
1:51:20 RPD, PKM
1:57:55 Buck's ideal AK, the gang chimes in
2:04:25 Wrapping up and Intro
Fun Fact of the Day: The sights on the Mosin Nagant were originally calibrated in Arshins, a 16th Century unit of measurement supposedly equal to a Pace, later standardized at ~28 inches.
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Please keep this series going. I enjoy everyone of them. I have learned so much in the 3 previously.
Fuowuse They will. We have the right industry contacts to keep topics varied and relevant. All just a matter of scheduling.
Too bad Jim Fuller couldn't get in on this. He sounds like a pretty knowledgable historian and would love to see what he has to say. Maybe a series on optimizing / running the AK with buck, JF, chuck and allen?
I love these Modcasts, please keep them coming!
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Hornady also makes a 5.45 load with a V-Max bullet
39:10 "wanna give a 5 min synopsis on where AKs came from?" yeah, so when a Russian and sheet metal get together and they really like eachother, or too much vodka is involved... and 9 months later the Kalashnikov was designed.
Hornady many years ago had the TAP load line for the Socom 16. They started with a 110gr 308 VMAX load for that M1A. Then they made the 155/168gr TAP loads for barrier penetration. I don't know how that 110gr 308 TAP load did. But it's supposed to be better than the 75/77gr 5.56 , but lighter than the M80 load. It's essentially a varmint load. The 110gr TAP load that is.
Good enough for the urban environment as they see it.
Also I wish I could've hopped in there because there is a lot of tactics and doctrine with the original AK-47 That you guys missed like the rifle being an "Avtomat" evolving out of the mass issue of Soviet submachineguns in Ward war two.
Conceptually from the beginning the Kalashnikov system has been very different then A.R. 15 M-16 Family of weapons that actually did start out as rifles that were capable of being used at qualification ranges and at national match style shooting in the tradition of American classic rifle marksmanship style shooting
greetings from Poland p.s. Polish PKM in 7.62x51 is called UKM-2000
also buck and chuck are rad hope they are on more
flippy51090 same
More Jose! He's awesome!
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Cool, great modcast as always guys.
Not meaning to thrash on the other dudes, I'm a big fan of your channel and most if not all your guests are great. Long live P&S ;)
I look at 9x39 as the Russian verison of 300 blkout that was made about 15 years earlier, but I know nothing. can be used for similar purposes.
I think the greatest example of the fact that the AR family is the best service likely ever made, is it service record. It is by far the most used weapon by SMU, CT and SOF units worldwide. Even countries that are issued AKs as main service rifles, use M4s in their SOF units. Even today when we have multiple possible "better" replacements like the 416 and SCAR, we still see guys using the M4 and preferring them over newer designs. Stoner was an absolute genius
That 7 year old is superman. Every white tail Ive hit with 54r has hit the dirt instantly. WOW
Anyone watching this please check out Ian Mcollems channel Forgotten Weapons on a video interviewing a Russian on the origins of the AK-47 for an interesting in depth explanation of the weapon development.
I know it's been over a year, but to Buck's bit about milled versus stamped, I have to wonder whether the thicker RPK-style stamped receiver types would be a middle-ground between the twisting stamped models he mentions and the sheer rigidity of the milled types, at less weight than the latter.
Really liking the free-form of this 'cast, though I do agree with the other commenter that it does take a while to get onto the stated topic and really hang out there. The PKM-at-distance inspiring the "overmatch" craze part was a neat side discussion.
>commie weapons episode> proceed to have a bunch of US military guys talk about US military procurement and weapons and training for half an hour
I swear you should just change the name of this channel to the Generation X US Military AR extravaganza
the overmatch myth is directly related to the whole show.
Fair enough, IDK I was expecting along with alot of other guys to hear about stuff from people from nations that actually US AKs instead of the current US policy debates. I would love to have hear in the future from guys both in Russia or maybe Bulgarian/Polish military guys who use the commie stuff every day or from an AK builder.
But I guess you can't have everything
Steven Swingler our focus is more US military and law enforcement.
It doesn't matter if their bodies are too thin, we have M855A1 and that stuff tumbles in ballistics gel like it's going out of style
Getting Rob Ski from the akou to talk combloc woulda been nice
crazyhorse9999 if he is the guy that has instructors shoot into the ground between students who are prone on the line - no thanks.
Steven Swingler it was akou that was shooting into the ground between students
I apologize I saw the footage, that stuff is pretty retarded. If I was in that class I would leave and sue him for some kind of felony misuse of a firearm or negligence charge as well as civil damages against the training company or perhaps even draw on the guy as in a stand your ground state this could technically qualify as putting someones life in danger
That is just.........wrong
I was referring more to his time spent with the AK platform seeing that he was from behind the Iron Curtain. As to his training methods, I can't comment because I haven't taken his classes but I will say for AK knowledge I defer to him
I have a waffen works stamped receiver for an ak-74....no side rail. So sad. Once I sell my century arms vz-2008 sporter, Im getting the parts kit I want along with a side rail Ill install myself.
Can anybody help me find P&S video about stg and ak?
Makarovs suck?
Actually as carry guns and as like a Russian product improved Walther PP( which is what the guns are) they are great I carry one probably three days a week
The thing is they just try to push those guns into the role of a service pistol like a Glock or 1911 and that is where it falls on its face
7:23 love it
they did make a 545 drum and they made a quad stacked 545 mag
Flippy, this is Buck from the video. Im familiar with the quad stack mag but have never heard of a 5.45 drum that actually made it out of the trilas phase. Do you have anymore info on it?
Kalashnikov concern made them back in October of 2016 for there new ak12 rpk
AK12 is the next iteration of the AEK971 from what I gather, has a counter balance recoil with we could do on our guns without a bunch of complicated fuckup parts. and I broke the cardinal sin of commenting twice..
No, it isn't.
I just checked again, I was thinking AK-107 not AK 12 my bad
Finally in terms of the Nighthawk stuff screw the agency 1911 go with their Hi-power
Personally in terms of self-defense rounds in 76 2 x 39 in my Polish AKMS I have eight and three which is a Russian/Ukrainian fragmenting bullet
AKM manufacturing isn't complicated. It's crude, simple, and easy as hell*.
With the *caveat* that there's a massive capital investment for the stamping equipment for a serious production run.
The rest of the fixturing, barrel, pressing, welding, and manufacturing is either the same difficulty or easier than your :insert any semi-auto rifle:.
I would put money that with the money for the (relatively) simple stamping equipment and proper fixturing (it's FAR, FAR simpler than most NAZI/Wermacht stamped guns; and simpler than most other stamped receivers over the last 60 years).
that I could get ~minimum wage people to build functional rifles..... Minus barrel manufacturing, maybe trunion milling, QC, and an operation here or there that requires more skill.
I have yet to see a AKM blueprint, but I've seen the manufacturing blueprints for an AR-15 and I'd bet money the AK has fewer dimensions to hold, generally looser tolerances (minus maybe the bolt and barrel), fewer positional tolerances (aka "GD&T" for my fellow machinists).
So now your question is probably "well if it's so easy, why isn't it being done en masse?!?".
I'd say the biggest reason is AK's are still relatively in high supply, relatively cheap, with only a moderate demand. And also moderate easy access to parts kits.
The cost for the stamping dies, fixturing, properly developing/backwards engineering the technical data package (ie. heat treatment specs. functional tolerances of critical components, etc.) to make the firearms economically cheap to manufacture when at full tilt production is rather high.
That capital investment either requires initially higher rifle prices for an uncertain market or the expectation of consistent and long term sales (if you're a large manufacturer that can eat the initial costs for the long term cash inflow).
Plus the teething costs that are common on new ventures.
All that makes it a difficult venture for a U.S. company to start
ar15>ak47 ar15=ak74m
I use to go to world.guns.ru and just look at all the strange things that came out of Russia. Some are just so asinine.
awwww no Karl or Rob Ski here or Sunny Pukizakz or whoever you spell it? C'mon guys
Steven Swingler Karl is the only one we regret that couldn't make it.