What Even Happens in MGS2? Part One - Tanker
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20 years ago, one game changed everything: METAL GEAR SOLID 2. Join Jorin Lee of Futurasound Productions, creators of the acclaimed miniseries WTF Happens in MGSV, on another unparalleled MGS analysis project. This time? We'll be unpacking the 'substance', that is the storyline, of MGS2.
0:00 - Introduction
1:13 - The Hudson River, Two Years Ago
5:04 - Killer Whales
8:13 - Olga
10:15 - Plato's Cavern (or, the Holds)
16:56 - Live Transmission
21:13 - The La-Lei-Lu-Lei-Lo...?!?
25:44 - My Heart Will Go On
26:59 - Ending Credits & Post-Script
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"The long awaited sequel to the PlayStation game Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty was released on November 13th, 2001. MGS2 does not star the former FOXHOUND agent Solid Snake. Instead, Hideo Kojima took players into the mind of super soldier Raiden, a stealth operative on his first live combat scenario. His objective is to stop a group of terrorists, calling themselves the Sons of Liberty. This includes blowing up a large oil cleanup facility and killing the President of the United States.
MGS2's innovations included its introduction of the laser sight mechanic for more accurate aiming, and a refined cover system that allowed both players and enemies to shoot from cover. It also introduced collective enemy AI routines that relied on squad tactics rather than working individually, while individual enemies expressed fear and even birds had their own AI routines. MGS2 was considered to have the best enemy AI in gaming for many years. The physics was also a major step forward for gaming, particularly the sophisticated particle effects for its time (including for individual drops of rain) and the way objects moved.
The game earned both critical and commercial acclaim upon release, with the highest sales and review scores in the series. However, the game's convoluted story, excessive use of Codec conversations and new protagonist Raiden was criticized by a number of fans, temporarily relegating him to a joke character (even with Kojima himself) until his popular transformation in Metal Gear Solid 4.
Despite the controversy surrounding the unexpected bait-and-switch and convoluted storyline at the time, Sons of Liberty is today seen as a landmark title in the history of video games. It is considered the first truly postmodern video game, is frequently cited as a primary example of artistic expression in video games, and is generally considered one of the most influential games of the past decade, both for its artistic influence on later video game storylines (most notably Eternal Darkness, Killer7, Portal, and especially BioShock, which even featured a very similar plot twist) as well as its influence on the gameplay mechanics of many action games since."
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I like to think Hideo watches all these and is like "holy fuck that's great why didn't I think of that" with like half of it.
Lol
MGS2 was such a trip, I’m glad it’s getting the “wtf actually happened” treatment.
Yes even after ending the games multiple of times!
You should check out. SuoerBunnyHop's breakdown of the mgs2 story. Its basically gospel in the MGS fan base at this point
Man MGS2 2001 Rain Effect still beat's a 2021 "Definitive Edition" Remaster Rain by a long shot.
wasn't the original version even beter than the remastered version of the rain?
@@johnniewaiker6203 You mean GTA or the MGS 2 HD Ports who also had some Problems with the particles Effect?
Funny I was thinking about the rain in this game and the waves on the boat.
Not to mention MGSV's.
@@ElricSowrd mgsv's wet shaders are great though
Will never forget beating this game on Thanksgiving Day in 2002 with my dad sitting there watching all the cutscenes with me. My mom walked into the den during a codec scene where Colonel was rambling about La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo and said “what the fuck kind of game is this?” and my dad and I fell out laughing because even then at the time we didn’t even know what we were witnessing.
Playing through these games in my late 20s right now and I’m only here to say Kojima is the Tarantino of the gaming industry
Sunny is the way that she is because of all the tranquilizer darts
Sunny is the way she is because she was born and stuck to machines trapped in the internet of the world exploring she made millions of different discoveries which is why she's so smart but she lacked communication skills because she was hooked up to feeding tubs and Nanos after she was rescued by Raiden after mgs 2 octacon did everything he could to get her verbal enough to speak her improvements on her vocals came towards the end of mgs 4 and she opened up to begin her career in science in mg rising
Underrated comment
Excellent breakdown. People aren’t doing this for any other 20 year old game, metal gear was always on another level.
Silent Hill 2 is 1 1/2 months older than MGS2 and still being analyzed. You can cherish a game, without having to denigrate others
While Metal Gear is a masterpiece, there are most certainly other _older_ titles that are still analyzed to this day. Those others certainly deserve credit where it's due. Fallout, Deus Ex, System Shock, Planescape: Torment.
I can keep going. These games, and many others, are still loved and analyzed.
This guy is also an absolute fiend when it comes to everything MGS and Kojima
Be great if we got remastered mgs2 and 3
Final Fantasy X says hi.
As a little trivia - Even though the guessed password for the terminal Otacon is hacking into during the tanker chapter is hidden by asterisks, it's more than likely 'Helena', his daughter, known later as Fortune.
As a marine, the thought of the marine corps ever having enough money to make something like that when we haven’t even moved away from m16’s is laughable as fuck.
The m16 has aged well for its self. When it started out, it was competing against AKM’s, ak47’s, and in the case of western items, G3’s, FAL’s, and m14’s for quality. It outmatched all of these by sheer weight and size (or lack there of.) The same can not be said of the m16a4. (Jesus Christ man, just put a m4 lower in that thing already!)
@@baker90338 I was talking about M16 A4 we all just call it m16 or muskets tho.
@@Bori.1776 so, sir, what's your thoughts on this new next gen infantry firearm developed by SIG Sauer? Especially regarding it's new cartridge
@@divecolosio4988 It looks promising but there’s debate on either side on of there were better options or not. Regardless, we won’t know how good they until you have actual guys deployed using them for extended periods of time. At the end of the day what matters is: 1) is it gonna jam up on me after the elements have abused it? 2) how easy is it to clean? 3) is it durable? 4) can i consistently kill my enemies with it
@@divecolosio4988 Either way it’ll be a ways away before it’s distributed among troops and that’s just the army, the marine corps won’t have any of this shit till much later.
Dolf also wants you to know that's Allstate's stand and you are in good hands
This is gonna be like a 10 part series knowing how crazy MGS2 is
This game is so important to me. Love hearing your take on it as always.
This game made me appreciate mixed medium art tbh
@@AdaptiveApeHybrid in what way this game made you appreciate mixed medium art?
@@virtualsnake1994 it was cinematic, had environmental story telling, the fucking music, dialogue heavy, etc
@@AdaptiveApeHybrid I get you. The music especially. That creepy menu music really sets the tone, that something else is going on that we don’t understand, the rug is about to be pulled out from under our feet.
Nice breakdown of the Tanker chapter. It's amazing how they fit so much information in what is meant to be the opening act of the game. MGS2 was definitely ahead of its time. I'm looking forward to your breakdown of the Plant chapter.
I thought the implication behind Ocelot stating he's taking RAY to the Patriots was that the project was instigated by the Patriots rather than merely funded, as foreshadowing to them being used to support Arsenal Gear.
MGS2 is by far the best MGS story, closely followed by MGS1 imo. Such a mind fuck even after replaying it at least 30 times
I agree 👍
i still dont understand anything
I really wish they had done more with Philanthropy, it gets only passing mentions after the Tanker Chapter, like I think the only reference to it in MGS4 is the patch on Snake's tactical rig. It would have been cool if we could have learned more about it, or seen it grow or change during MGS4 in some way.
Philanthropy was created a few years before the tanker mission and ended at the tanker mission because of the Cypher that video tapped them attacking the tanker branding them terrorists for life
30 minutes long
"Part one"
By that math you could speedrun the entirety of MGS2 while explaining what is actually happening in the game.
I love it.
Greatgame with a dark and unique atmosphere. Visually and storywise way ahead of it's time
Man, I never knew what ocelot meant by “i’m taking it back”. And I first played MGS2 back in 2002 or so. Nice. Thanks.
He did say the patriots 12 members all dead we didn't know what the patriots were until mgs 3 Eva big boss zero paramedic sigint ocelot were thr founding members and they created the patriots with the bosses views onto the world the patriots AI system and Nanos was created in the early 90s thanks to paramedic aka Dr. Clark Naomi hunters mentor that Nanos were created because of gray fox was used as an experiment before the shadow Moses Island incident
This is my favorite MGS game (plot-wise) so I'm loving these deep dives that introduce new perspectives! Thanks for the great work!
"Honey wake up! Futurasound is making a Sons of Liberty breakdown!"
Thank you for helping me continue my obsession with this series. Your essays are so critical, you should try to write an actual thesis and submit it to Harvard cause this shit is crazy thorough
MGS2, for me, is the most important game of all time.
Same
That "20 years ago" hit me like a bus
Essays on MGS 2 have been done to death but it's always a treat to get Jorin's analysis.
True but nobody quite captures and captivates the world that Kojima creates in each game, and manages to explain and dissect it in ways others do not.
I was a recent HS graduate when this game debuted and it was a total mind freak…never played a game that broke the 4th wall so convincingly like the Arsenal Gear section of this game.
Kojima is one of the few treating videogames as a legitimate medium for making art.
Well that's disrespectful to a lot of creators.
MGS2 will always be the best game out of the series for me
I’m glad people are coming back to these games.
Oh, thank you very much for this. These are easily my favorite and best of your series. I've been hoping for a continuation for a long time now.
Mgs, especially 2 and 3 basically defined me as a young adult. I was influenced heavily by 3, it was the last game I played before my mom died, played through3 in its entirety during a really bad flu during Christmas break in 2004(2005?) I'll never forget how impactful MGS was to me as a child, with the NES games, as a 10/11 year old with MGS1, a young teen with MGS2, a young adolescent with MGS3, never got to play MGS4 until adulthood, so maybe it had less of an influence on me; I'll always be partial to the first 3 games on the ps1/ps2.
Thanks so much for making these videos
This was my first MGS I played and beat on the original Xbox. I always loved it and am so glad it's become appreciated in recent years.
Easy to guess password? Three tries? Six letters?
Don't tell me Scott's password was "marine".
I really like this idea. Give a heavy lore explanation of all the things going on. Even years of being a fan of the series this pointed out things I didn't really catch.
MGS2:SOL is the best
Your docu-series truly does credit to the series! Kojima would admire your work ethic but probably hate you making the story legible 😂😂😂
Best Metal Gear videos on TH-cam. Keep it up, bro.
Do you know how many analysis have already been made about MGS2? And still I watch them all, this is my crack
Dude kojima is so ahead of his time like he nailed 2018 In 2001
Yes its Happening! This is going on my ultimate Metal Gear Retrospective playlist.
I’ve been watching your breakdowns for a week straight, instant sub after I watched your mgs5 video
In there with the post credits scene like a Boss
Bravo 👏
Oh hell yes, lemme make a coffee and roll, because even as a lifelong MGS player I NEED this video
You don't know how long I've been waiting for this
I can't begin to tell you how much I've been waiting for this one
i enjoyed mgs2 but as a kid playing it it went way over my head therefore i was disappointed in it. Now i'm 30 and have realized this game is a masterpiece and is very relative in the present time. Kojima saw the future great fucking game.
MGS2, my favorite game of all time, this game was such a masterpiece
People got so upset that you didn't play as snake. I was only like 11 or 12 years old and I understood that it just wasn't meant to be a game about solid snake. It was about you feeling like Raiden in the game and watching and learning from snake through from that point of view and it was awesome because it added real depth to it. A depth that has withstood still being a masterpiece by today's standards nearly 20 years on.
Raiden is a Simulacrum of Snake. An imitation. All aesthetics and no soul.
My favourite MGS game. Love the story, gameplay and art style.
Bro I love your channel. Always putting out quality content and giving MGS the attention it truly deserves. Thank you, sir
Love the esoteric drop at the end.
I just found your channel about a week ago and I've watched so many of your videos since. You got me to give mgsv another chance, and I started another playthrough of mgs2 yesterday. Your videos are awesome man!
I love your dedication to MGS2!
Yes, my favorite MGS. :D
I love ya for this man. Gonna listen to this on my hike tomorrow
I love these videos so much. Can't wait for part 2
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This game was formative to my politics, views on authority and reality....my worldview.
I am SO excited for this series. I love everything you've done and I cannot wait to watch this entire playlist on loop as it forms.
One of the greatest games ever. It just took ppl a long time to catch up to it.
And V is going to take even more time.
@@JunkyardHounds potentially. I didn't feel the same impact from V but I understand a lot of the meta narrative and subtext.
I think it will be very hard for people to get over the way the game launched incomplete and the whole drama between konami/kojima.
@@o-redbeard-o1036 Except the game didn't launch incomplete and that's part of it's theme. The whole game features repetition and lack of wholeness on a narrative, thematic and gameplay level. That's no fluke. The game is 100% complete. Also, by logic, when you have no time to complete a game it won't be a polished work. The first thing to do is write the plot and the cutscenes were almost all shown 2 to 3 years before the game came out. How does that feel incomplete to you ? That's one of the sad things about the game, people not being able to see it for what it is but that was, imo, kojima's aim.
@@JunkyardHounds I understand that part of the message 100%. However I personally believe Kojima wasn't allowed to finish it the way he intended. He went over budget and over the alloted time frame.
I think the meta narrative of all the things you mentioned came afterwards. I don't think that takes anything away from it I just personally believe it happened in a different order.
Again like I stated I am fully aware of all of that.
@@o-redbeard-o1036 I disagree. Watch interviews from 2010/2011 and what Kojima says about his next project. He didn't went over budget nor over the alloted time frame unless you count the development of Fox engine. The fallout was probably due to him making the game the way it's made. Like skullface says "The anti-metal gear metal gear". MGS2 contradicts all of MG1's tropes and V takes it even further.
Thanks so much, Jorin! My favorite MGS game, and my favorite youtuber :)
I really like the 'wtf even happened' videos you do. I love your other content, but sometimes I feel that you focus so strongly on the thematic significance and real life similarities of the games that the actual events and plot of the games gets neglected a little bit. Regardless, it's all great! Keep it up:)
Another beautifully written and produced piece ❤
"This ship is still in the Lower New York habor , you may yet make it to shore , if you swim for your LIFE!"
Can’t wait for the next part. Excellent work as always.
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it blows me away that kojima had the entire story planned out when the first game came out, so many things tie into each other and such a unique story
I don't think I've actually been exited for a series more then this. I've been a huge metal gear fan for some time now but still I can really wrap my mind around what actually happened in the ending section of mgs2. Can't wait for the video!
Thanks for making these videos. I enjoy these a
lot
Seconded
I guess the cutter RAY uses would technically be called a wasem but "water laser" sounds better.
oh my this is the perfect video to have woken up to; thanks as always Jorin!
Another fantastic production, Boss!
Nonstop content. How does he do it?
Nanomachines, son.
@@joelcatalanm7832 Nanomachines?!
@@bretdorman3433 read this in Snakes voice :)
Yes! Here's me watching his MGS V ones again for the 6th time hoping there would be a MGS 2 one and here it is!
Nice one mate! Loved this as I do all the others.
Could you do a video on the directing and cinematography of the Metal Gear series?
The WTF happens series are my favorite. Keep up the good work boss
THIS IS THE BEST SERIES BOSS. I'm behind it all the way and I hope you finish it! Death Stranding too!
Always LOVE watching your metal gear solid videos! You're like the only youtuber that in depth breaks down the story. A lot of other youtubers go over the production of the game, the mechanics, graphics, sound design, enemy ai, but then don't go over the story much because they're talking about all that other stuff. And I just like to hear about the story because metal gear solids story goes over a lot of stuff, and can be very confusing to understand. So your videos are fucking amazing for me because you cover the story perfectly! I wish your videos had more views because the work you do to make these is phenomenal! I can't say it enough what you do to the story to help people like me understand wtf Kojima was making is a God send. Can't wait to watch this!!
Fantastic work!
This is just the prologue but it already has more plot than a fair amount of games
Awesome depth. Love mgs2 and it never gets old to learn more about it.
Just in time for me to have finished playing MGS2 for the millionth time on my Vita
So Snake is coming from Upper Manhattan, walking to Fort Lee NJ while timing his fast rope descent to the tanker. As the tanker is passing by Hudson County NJ as well as Manhattan, it also passes by Bayonne NJ and going by Staten Island.
For real?
@@DialloMoore503 yup
@@Jtar2002
I actually want to move Jersey, but family wants me close. I’m on the West Coast.
cant wait for a part 2 for this
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Oh boy, thanks for making this King
Yeeees!!! So hyped for this!
I can't wait for parts 2-20!!
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The sound Otacon made that on that Patriot mention could've been heard from across the Hudson River. That crispy "P" enunciation, lol.
Always amazing content. Hope you do more on Death stranding again
have been waiting for this
Pfft, the Patriots didn't even bother inviting the Air Force. That's funny.
So if the Army built Rex and the Marines built Ray, I wonder what kind of Metal Gear the Navy was building... Arsenal Gear?
Love these videos 😮
Incredible breakdown
Playing through MGS2 again for the 10th time right now with the Master Collection. Best game in the franchise imo.
Your videos are informative. You might wanna consider the movie no time to die. Lots of stuff in there i think you'll find useful to break down.
Welcome back Boss. 🖖🗽
It’s crazy this is / isn’t our future. Like kojima a modern day Nostradamus.
Anyone that played the series in order knows what actually is going on the tanker mission setup the big shell and it was a simulation created by the patriots to reawaken Raiden so he can kill his mentor solids aka George sears this entire simulation is based on the metal gear solid game but there was one thing the patriots failed to calculate the response of solid snake himself thanks to snake and Raiden the attack on the big shell was resolved and Ray Ray away setting up metal gear solid 4 Raidens passed came back X10 and he went dark and came back as lightning in metal gear solid 4 leaving rose and his child unprotected from the patriots which is why toy Campbell married rose to shield her and her child I can continue on this was type before the opening so yeah
Yo, Jorin, quick question: What's the name of the track around the 23 minute mark? It's got that funky little recurring synth motif, I know it from the cutscene where Snake goes on about virtual training simulation, but I could never find the name of the track.
@Espen Meling Sele I mean, yeah, I know where it plays, I just never found the corresponding song. I just assumed there was no clean rip without Snake and Raiden talking over it, but this video is proof that it does exist, so I'll guess I'll have to take another dive
@Espen Meling Sele Went through Ragitsu's rips once again, and didn't find jack diddly squat. Goddamit
@Espen Meling Sele it's all good, man, but now that I'm reminded of its existence I really wanna find it
@Espen Meling Sele F-F-F-FOUND IT: th-cam.com/video/mNs2rrSOdxQ/w-d-xo.html Apparently I was right that nobody was able to rip it without the conversation over it, but it was included in "The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2". Don't understand where though, but whatever
MAH BOI CAME BACK
I don’t know if I can watch this… I may have to wait until the miniseries is complete so I can watch them one after the other 🤔
16:37 I wonder if that password is "Helena"
Been waiting