Trying to understand this game is like reading the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, in English. It’s one of the most unreadable texts I have come across. I grew to appreciate writing classes from then on. Kojima is a bona fide mad lad for being able to write such gibberish, yet under a certain *cipher* for it to make sense. Or maybe he’s actually mad. He did turn the most hated video game mission into a whole game. 2 if you believe Death Stranding is getting a sequel.
It's a shame that all of this subtlety gets somewhat lost when playing the game. A lot of these details went over my head, or I was doing so many side ops that some story bits got lost on me. The video is really enlightening and gives some nice context.
I remember when I played and finished the thing a few years ago, I had an impression that there was something interesting going on under the surface, which left me with an interesting feeling; the way Miller and most of the people around V talk to you felt very schizophrenic--the Kojima-deception touches were all there. But right, the capability of the player to delve into that stuff was limited by a very overly-busy gameplay system. All the mechanics that you had to get concerned with to get the most out of the gameplay were very distracting, in my opinion. I found the schizophrenia of the whole thing interesting, but it wasn't satisfying, unlike previous MG games. Actually, there was nothing about the experience that made me want to go back and play it again. Overall, I think even though a lot of folks seem to like the kind of episodic gameplay that Peace Walker and TPP provide, I don't think Kojima's storytelling style suits that kind of gameplay system. The two don't seem to mesh naturally. I have a lot of respect for the maker of this video for being able to extract all of this. I wouldn't have had the patience.
Charlie Revord I’ve only recently started! Waited til I could get it on PC before giving it a proper go. So far I’m enjoying the gameplay loop, but yeah, I’m eager to see how I find the whole experience. Will have to report back haha
Yeah holy shit. I was taking the events at face value waiting for the end to twist the knife. Seems like this game Koji wanted to the player to feel lost and lied to. Until they dug for this. It seems like if you apply this to the entire game, it makes what seemed like Koji Pro's laziest storytelling, hidden as some of their deepest.
Dawkins wrote 'The Selfish Gene' in the mid 70's and as far as I know was the first to coin the term 'Meme' to describe a cultural trend that spreads and mutates in the same way as a gene.
So is this basically implying that cipher used venom as a puppet to allow the boss to go on with his work while also getting skull face taken out as a threat
That's what it is in short terms, the whole game is about being stripped away till you know that you're just a pawn in a game that doesn't need you anymore
27:34 Am I mistaken that Miller vows to build up Venom Snake to defeat Big Boss and is consequently killed by Ocelot? That would mean that Miller is loyal to Venom but only for his own means. Besides, on some subconscious level, Miller remembers the medic, Ahab, because he was Big Boss’ most trusted soldier. The more I play this game, the more I realize that we were destined to defy out fate (becoming a demon) and have the option to choose to be a “good” Snake. That would make Big Boss a villain, not only for killing us, but killing someone who was good.
Started researching the MGS universe... I just accidentally achieved my second doctorates, this one in metaphysics, my first in robotics and AI. I still don't have a clue. Kojima is a genius and madman far beyond any of us, and I both fear and respect him.
This series has more layers than it has any right to. That's not a bad thing. Just saying it's kinda wild how many philosophies, ideologies and interactions between you and the game just ping pong off each other relentlessly
This game is a masterpiece of storytelling Even with its flaws, it's still a masterpiece in my head and nobody can change that To learn how this slots in to all the metal gear games is amazing to experience
@Leon Russell watching the extensive amounts of cutscenes might help that aswell just as a reminder And you don't need to tell me what's wrong with the game, as I said, even with its flaws in still gonna love it and you can't change that. I don't need someone telling me about the problems I don't care about
"I don't want to listen to an audiobook on cassette tapes! Now... excuse me while I play a real MGS game - which yes, is me listening to the audiobook that is Col. Campbell, Naomi, and Mei Ling each talk to me on the codec for 30 minutes every time I turn a corner".
Malak in Hebrew means Messenger, but Melech means King. “A Messenger with Broken Wings” more than likely alludes to Lucifer. Lucifer, Devil, and Satan are not the same. Satan means, ‘Adversary,’ and there are more than one ‘Satans.’ Devil is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew ‘Satan.’ That means there are also ‘devils,’ not a singular entity.
I happened to find Paz almost immediately when the medical platform was built. When Ocelot (the guy who hypnotized himself into thinking arms could possess people) brought up dissociative dissonance and amnesia and what not, I was under the impression that the man with helicopter and human fragments in his skull and body would be a somewhat unreliable source. I thought he was simply in denial and the brain damage was making his trauma way worse. Oh boy if only
There aren't "three ciphers" there aren't even two. There is only one Cipher, which is Zero's organization. XOF used to be part of it, but Skull Face and XOF split up with Cipher to carry out his revenge on the world. This whole time you are fighting only XOF and russian or central african military that have absolutely nothing to do with Cipher. Miller is just going on and on about Cipher because he developed a huge paranoia and Ocelot feeds into it too because he is in on it, as Zero told him personally.
You make a good point. There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital. The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
@@Nilon241 Miller says "It's XOF, it will end up in Cipher's hands." As I told you, XOF hasn't been part of Cipher since at least Ground Zeroes. Miller doesn't know, he thinks it's Cipher behind everything due to his paranoia. In reality it's just XOF remnants.
Venous Snake also collects people for his operation in the field, and ocelot is a master interrogater. Venous snake is bringing people into the Lion's Den. They think they are being saved but really are falling into the hands of their unknown enemy and masters. Though at one point they kill their own people, through a virus that attaches to the vocal cords, so the player is non the wiser, that this is a ploy.
I hope you do a part 2. Out of all the MGS games, V is one of the most confusing because the line between reality and simulation has never been so blurry. There's not much explanation in game or in essay/videos so this helps a lot to understand just what is going on
@@meticulouselectronics I've heard the theory that GZ was an implanted memory in Venom but never that BB is the leader of XOF. If that was the case, was XOF sent in as just another part of Venoms mental training? How do you explain Skull Face not being there at all through Phantom Pain tho? He's in the tapes and you see him quite a lot?
@@DANtheMANofSIPA big boss needed to go into hiding to create outer heaven. Xof was his army for outer heaven. He was there with venom when he woke up to make sure he wasn't killed by Quiet. There was no real enemy for Venom, Zero was looking for Big boss. So venoms mind created skullface. There are moments after he "dies" where Venom still sees him. Venom also hallucinates entire tapes, and encounters from Paz, who also died.
Awesome video, when people say MGSV has a bad story, they don’t focus on the dialogue by radio and cassettes, it has a very amazing atmosphere of storytelling
Yeah, because that is what I want in my MGS - having to focus on shit that is being told in audio cassettes recorded for no reason. Pull your head out of Kojima's ass. The game's shit and he clearly didn't want to make it.
@@joetroutt7425 You think so ? I'm pretty sure he's probably much more surprised that quite a lot of people pushed that pile of shit back up his rectum. I don't think he misses MGS. He wanted to be done with it for decades, allegedly. But it's true - Death Stranding is the anti-fun. MGS used to be about crazy shit going on literally each half an hour, with everything culminating in some absurdly over-the-top, entertaining awesomness... But that was old Kojima, the one who still realized that in order to be praised he has to deliver. This new Kojima is a overpraised has-been genius who for a moment thought that he's on top of the world and can subject gamers to literally any type of boredom now that he's hailed as some kind of messiah. That's just what happens when a guy who starts with a game about a penguin gets praised into the skies long enough.
@@klingerkun5766 changed everything else that Trump did, but that was the one thing he decided to keep, against the advice of every general and foreign policy expert we have. Totally Trump's fault. Totally.
Just like the "V" standing for the letter and the number, the phrase "V has come to" is also "5 has come 2". It marks the beginning of the 2nd part of the game split into 2, as well as the 2nd episode of "the TV series" following the "pilot episode", the main Ground Zeroes mission.
I see it almost as like what the doctor said when you first woke up in Cyprus, that we may not really see things as they are, so by saying "5 has come 2" it's almost like the game is saying "5 has now become 2", a sort of variation of 2+2=5. But then again, that's my take on it
@@n_worder Definitely similar in the sense that in MGS2 you're playing as what is intended to be a memetic clone of Solid Snake and in MGSV you're playing as BB's body double and memetic clone.
@@B0ULLIE Crazy? Well you have to be able to come up all the extreme stuff in the series. But that's what makes it fun and unique. Imagine Metal Gear Solid, and then strip away Psycho Mantis, Gray Fox and Otacon, remove the sections where you're expected to look at the game case or put the controller up to your arm so the vibration heals you. It's easy to see how without the charm of these stranger elements, Metal Gear Solid would feel a lot more generic.
I revisited this game for my platinum trophy and my God the things I had missed before, replaying the game and listening to all cassette tapes helps you understand this game more effectively
Thanks so much for making this i was just watching you and it’s suprising when i see you uploaded so fast, and thanks for going over what actually happens because so many people will say nothing happened in this game
Perfect timing, Boss! Just bought the pc version (double dipping) in steam summer sale!
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Due to it being a stealth and Metal Gear Solid game I would recommend using a controller to play it. You get more precise character movement and the button layout fits perfectly. At least this is how I played it.
@ the 360 degrees movement of a controller is great, yeah. The 8 different directions of movements with WASD leave something to be desired ,true. Though the precission and speed of a mouse do make up for it. Makes aiming a little to easy sometimes... Luckilly I can switch between controller setups whenever I want 😁
THE1NONLY1 mouse aiming is king though. I played first on Xbox and second on PC with kb/m and I think kb/m is better.
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@@MarioLuigi0404 I never said the aiming wasn't better I said the movement is. I exclusively play PC and in the first day I needed to plug in a controller since on M/KB you can either run or press a button and walk super slowly. A controller works better for this game since you'll do more sneaking than shooting.
This channel is the best mgs channel explaining with consistent content I've seen. I never knew or paid attention to any of this in game clues. Great video!
You are such a good TH-camr. You've really earned your chops through a bevy of fantastic gaming essays and I will definitely continue to watch anything you put out.
There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital. The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
Damn dude, you honestly have some of the best MGS content out there. You go past just lore and analysis and talk about how weapons, and tech are compared to real life. I also love you vice city 9/11 vid. Keep up the good work.
You automatically win. You are the only person I have seen that finally gets the title right. It is MGS V NOT 5. You are the only one I have seen that gets it completely right. For that alone you get a A+.
God your videos are so good, they continue to make this game re-blow me away now 5 years after playing it. I really should regive the entire metal gear series a play now that I'm an adult.
Wow, you have really gone above and beyond with this video! I just recently started my 4th play through of the game (once on PS3, twice on PS4, and now on PC) and with each play through I would come to question even more of the narrative and intentions of the characters told to us and you have given the perfect answers (or as close to answers as we’ll get) to so many thoughts that crossed my mind. I really hope you do a second part. These videos are also a great way to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the game next month.
13:51 that’s honestly a pretty creative way of saying, this is why I, Arthur Morgan, I mean Skullface will not be mentioned in any subsequent games or any other materials chronologically speaking. It’s about as well as you can do a blatant retcon.
Glad someone else saw what I saw. The Smoke and Mirrors in this game are very well placed and everything always seems well staged, every mission seems like a set and objectives are too similar to how things occur in later games. Awesome game though I replayed it again saw so much I didn't before.
It’s a testament to how good this game is that I, and many others, enjoyed playing dozens if not hundreds of hours without knowing what the hell was ever going on in terms of the story
Huey and Hal sharing a voice actor really threw me off. Having Hal be such a kind person actually fighting for the freedom of humanity just made me believe that Huey was innocent for the longest time. I felt like he was being unfairly judged and used by outside forces. After all was said and done though man why did he have to be like that :(
This really opened more then what I remembered playing hours of this game! Man this is some good info and small details that anyone can miss playing normally. I look forward to the next episode!
Even after all these years.. there’s always something new to be discovered... we always wanted to go back to MGS instead of closing the chapter of snake and metal gear.... like a phantom pain
I just replayed MGSV over the course of the last two weeks and I did get the translation you mention at 17:01. I think there was a side op I went out of my way to do as soon as it opened up.
After MG Solid the story became so freaking out there that you damn near needed an advance degree in Metal Gear history to understand what the hell is going on..
Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Snake says ‘Cypher’ when he looks at the flying-camera device, so that must mean the device is called a Cipher itself - Otacon thinks it’s with the Military (Cypher-T), but Snake says it’s Army. I am not sure that Snake knows of the hidden group at this point in the story, though I may be wrong. Here is a link to a real-world device the game device may be based on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Cypher
26:25 “it was all a lie” this got me pretty bad, this whole time as a player, it was all a show to get us in the program. cant imagine why Vic Boss went rampant in Metal Gear 1 this whole time, the real Big Boss “ishmael” set this extraordinary medic to be his double for “his standards” to cover himself against the patriots, and so this “medic” has to take all the bullshit. Cant blame him for going rampant 🤯
It feels so sad because playing this game you feel the phantom pain, the feel of never close the cycle of MGS saga. The feel to never watch the fight between BB vs Zero and BB & Venom vs Solid Snake.
What? BB vs Zero? They never fought because that wasn't possible. Zero cloned BB without his consent, which is why BB left him and did his own thing. Peace Walker plays out, Ground Zeroes plays out, Zero gets attacked by SkullFace and turns into a living potato soon, Zeto creates Venom to protect BB and get rid of SkullFace. That's it. By the time BB and Venom awake Zero is already basically braindead. And Venom & BB vs Solid? We saw that, in Metal Gear 1 and 2 on MSX.
Pretty much. You don't really get the subtlety or entirety of MGSV's story without listening to optional NPC dialogue or the tapes the same as in Dark Souls if you don't pay attention to the NPCs there or item descriptions
I love your videos, but it seems you start many series while others are ongoing. Is this purposeful? It just seems that while I’m waiting for a new episode in another series, another one is started. I’d love to watch them all through to the end but find it difficult to keep track of all the different series. Thanks again for the great videos and work you put in to them.
This game was ahead of its time. I didn't appreciate its genius until years later on another playthrough. I just got quiet back yesterday ! Still playing sometimes. Flawed masterpiece. You can clearly see that it's incomplete. It's a fantastic and smart game. Some of the best gameplay available in this genre.
Wow, I'm surprised by how much quality MGSV content I'm getting around 5 years after it's release. I just started getting into the game in the past month, but within that period some new quality content has turned up. From the Michael Saba video to this series. Didn't expect that when I started. Seems like I started playing at the right time...
The big reveal that you aren't playing as the real Big Boss happens in the cut scene after completing the Cyprus mission... it's not an endgame surprise
@@zawisiak3708 Sokolov tells Boss that his Russian is impecable in MGS3. So the fact that Venom doesn't understand Russian is foreshadowing Venom isn't Big Boss.
DANtheMANofSIPA Well, Yeah, but Ocelot parries that by saying that the horn is affecting brain. Anyway, what i wanted to say that “Giants arms for wind up toy” spoils that Metal Gear will appear soon. And if we talking about playing previous MGS games, it’s obvious that Venom isn’t actually a big boss.
This game would have been so much better if instead of open world they just crafted a tight narrtive with open level designs and worked in more boss fights Edit: and if they kept david hayter
So I haven't played much of MGS. I had 2 and 3 for PsVita. But I left my PsVita in a dumpster in Cambridge, MA near Harvard. My friend gave me his Vita, but I haven't touched it. I'm not much of a gamer these days. I want to work with Hideo one day. I'm trying to do hyper-realistic in a new and innovative way. You've seen the sort of realism we've come to accept in games. Flip-flop physics, hair effects, subsurface scattering, facial animations, big volumetric explosions. But tell me one game where a heart-shot is fatal. Or a few lung shots. Even a shot to the arm, that strikes an artery. None right? I have big plans. I call my style of realism "realific." I figured it best to make a new word, so people don't get confused prior to playing the game. I'm designing games so real, you can go out and do the same things... well maybe not YOU specifically, but I did it. And I'll for sure, record videos of the practices and reference actions, so people can tell just how real it is. I'm not a superhero. Those don't exist. But I've done what no other man can. That's no understatement. This was a long read. If you made it this far. Thanks for giving it the time of day. I appreciate you. Have a good one.
I'm abit confused about the 3 different parts of cypher. I thought miller was working with cypher and was a spy. Huey and the old code guy pointed fingers at him. I thought it was just unfinished. I'm new to this 3 part cypher thing though.
Miller was working with Cypher (Major Zero) during the events of MGS Peace Walker. This is revealed at the end of the game. Hes a spy for Zero, but not for the other two Cyphers (Skull Face/XOF and The Patriots.)
Why are XOF, the patriots and Magor zero all part of different groups called cypher tho? That's so confusing lol I thought there was just 1 cypher and even then I didn't know the huge difference between it and the patriots.
The gameplay of MGSV was something else, never had this much fun replaying missions for 100% it. But yea, the first part is good, but the second is laking, you can see how the rushed it. It's truly sad to see this, it had so much potential and with MGS Survive, I don't have any hope in the franchise anymore.
Your theory that the competing branches of Cypher, and more specifically the fake Snake ruse, are ultimately meant to confuse the Patriots AI makes total sense and it lines up perfectly with Ocelot's motivation in MGS4. Ocelot performs a very similar ruse himself in 4, convincing the world and the Patriots that he is a mental copy of Liquid, and as such will act as Liquid would and fulfill Liquid's goals. It was only by doing so that Ocelot could destroy the Patriots from within.
As someone who didn't play any previous games I jumped into phantom pain and was so confused in the first mission, I was snake but the guy with me sounded like snake and i had no idea what was happening, then a fire lady attacked us and I just had to look this up lol. Even though these spoilers may be better to learn while playing, I can actually understand what's happening now so I'm enjoying it more now. And feel more connected to the story and why I should care lol
finished MGSV twice and watching this video still feels like spoilers
exactly lol
Then it'll feel just the sane if you've never played the game neat
Trying to understand this game is like reading the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes, in English. It’s one of the most unreadable texts I have come across. I grew to appreciate writing classes from then on.
Kojima is a bona fide mad lad for being able to write such gibberish, yet under a certain *cipher* for it to make sense. Or maybe he’s actually mad. He did turn the most hated video game mission into a whole game. 2 if you believe Death Stranding is getting a sequel.
@@sndn7733for real tho every time I go back and replay it I get a new cutscene I’ve never seen
you spent more time repeating missions you forgot there is a story
It's a shame that all of this subtlety gets somewhat lost when playing the game. A lot of these details went over my head, or I was doing so many side ops that some story bits got lost on me. The video is really enlightening and gives some nice context.
I remember when I played and finished the thing a few years ago, I had an impression that there was something interesting going on under the surface, which left me with an interesting feeling; the way Miller and most of the people around V talk to you felt very schizophrenic--the Kojima-deception touches were all there.
But right, the capability of the player to delve into that stuff was limited by a very overly-busy gameplay system. All the mechanics that you had to get concerned with to get the most out of the gameplay were very distracting, in my opinion. I found the schizophrenia of the whole thing interesting, but it wasn't satisfying, unlike previous MG games. Actually, there was nothing about the experience that made me want to go back and play it again. Overall, I think even though a lot of folks seem to like the kind of episodic gameplay that Peace Walker and TPP provide, I don't think Kojima's storytelling style suits that kind of gameplay system. The two don't seem to mesh naturally. I have a lot of respect for the maker of this video for being able to extract all of this. I wouldn't have had the patience.
@@null140 What did you think of Death Stranding? I am curious given your remark about the episodic gameplay of PW and TPP.
Charlie Revord I’ve only recently started! Waited til I could get it on PC before giving it a proper go. So far I’m enjoying the gameplay loop, but yeah, I’m eager to see how I find the whole experience. Will have to report back haha
Yeah holy shit. I was taking the events at face value waiting for the end to twist the knife. Seems like this game Koji wanted to the player to feel lost and lied to. Until they dug for this. It seems like if you apply this to the entire game, it makes what seemed like Koji Pro's laziest storytelling, hidden as some of their deepest.
@Kanishka Bhuller fuckers got me playing V again looking for the answers myself.
Shout out to 21 minutes in where he's interrogating a man that supposedly slaughtered a base, while kids in America plays in the background
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Lmao that moment clicked together so many things for me about this game. Like holy shit, I see why that song is in the game now...
Snake, Miller, and Ocelot are truly all kids of America. The diamond dogs all are
Reminds me of Roger from that episode of American dad lol
Ocelot is russian tho...
1:29 - the word 'meme' was invented only a year before the soviet afghan war.
Literally any European language has had a word for it for hundreds of years. In my country literally called meme
@@drunkensailor112 what word for what? Dawkin's definition for meme?
yeah but mgs5 takes place during 1984
Dawkins wrote 'The Selfish Gene' in the mid 70's and as far as I know was the first to coin the term 'Meme' to describe a cultural trend that spreads and mutates in the same way as a gene.
Professor: "The test isn't that confusing"
The Test:
hahaha funny man
Your memes end here
He does tend to overcomplicate some things that have a much simpler answer
So is this basically implying that cipher used venom as a puppet to allow the boss to go on with his work while also getting skull face taken out as a threat
That's what it is in short terms, the whole game is about being stripped away till you know that you're just a pawn in a game that doesn't need you anymore
Is that not exactly what The Patriots tried to do with Liquid Ocelot? Echoes of the past and future.
@@BobLogical That's what the Patriots do in every post 3 game. Solid just kinda breaks the cycle with Naomi's help in 4.
but zero was already a vegetable by then wasn't he?
@@TheBarlettano thats where the AI comes in
Kojima was secretly trying to train us to become soldiers in his war against Konami.
Well Watchdogs showed us how to do it.
I thought about that too man. Interesting 🤔
PT Is already a message against Konami
phone game bad
I'm definitely with Konami
27:34 Am I mistaken that Miller vows to build up Venom Snake to defeat Big Boss and is consequently killed by Ocelot? That would mean that Miller is loyal to Venom but only for his own means. Besides, on some subconscious level, Miller remembers the medic, Ahab, because he was Big Boss’ most trusted soldier.
The more I play this game, the more I realize that we were destined to defy out fate (becoming a demon) and have the option to choose to be a “good” Snake. That would make Big Boss a villain, not only for killing us, but killing someone who was good.
Started researching the MGS universe... I just accidentally achieved my second doctorates, this one in metaphysics, my first in robotics and AI.
I still don't have a clue. Kojima is a genius and madman far beyond any of us, and I both fear and respect him.
yep. love his work.
eh hes fine, he has such a large ego about his own work that i cant help but hate some of it lol
Kojima is either a genius or insane I still don’t know which.
@@rarecromALT Wow, really glad we got your enlightened expert opinion on this. You really showed them.
@@SnailHatan you're welcome man! :D
All that conditioning and they couldn't drill it into Venom's head to incessantly ask question and grunt in response to codecs. Hrhgnghgn.
"Hrhgnghgn"?
Conditioning?
codecs?
They failed, they couldn't get him to say "Knife gun, commencing virtuous mission"
psycho mantis?
This series has more layers than it has any right to. That's not a bad thing. Just saying it's kinda wild how many philosophies, ideologies and interactions between you and the game just ping pong off each other relentlessly
but it feels amazing to learn
It do be like that
This game is a masterpiece of storytelling
Even with its flaws, it's still a masterpiece in my head and nobody can change that
To learn how this slots in to all the metal gear games is amazing to experience
Ping pong
@Leon Russell watching the extensive amounts of cutscenes might help that aswell just as a reminder
And you don't need to tell me what's wrong with the game, as I said, even with its flaws in still gonna love it and you can't change that. I don't need someone telling me about the problems I don't care about
You must be writing these scripts 24 hours a day wtf
In Jesus name, no cap.
"I don't want to listen to an audiobook on cassette tapes! Now... excuse me while I play a real MGS game - which yes, is me listening to the audiobook that is Col. Campbell, Naomi, and Mei Ling each talk to me on the codec for 30 minutes every time I turn a corner".
Malak in Hebrew means Messenger, but Melech means King. “A Messenger with Broken Wings” more than likely alludes to Lucifer. Lucifer, Devil, and Satan are not the same. Satan means, ‘Adversary,’ and there are more than one ‘Satans.’ Devil is a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew ‘Satan.’ That means there are also ‘devils,’ not a singular entity.
Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic video.
This is also similar in Arabic with king and angel having similar pronunciations
pingaschaos that’s because we have the same forefather :)
@@TheGeneralSoundwave I'm a Christian Arab though (Lebanese) so I guess? Damn good thing we've got something in common
Malak in arabic means literally "angel" and thats what it means "angel with broken wings" , you save the fallen malak the "angel"
I happened to find Paz almost immediately when the medical platform was built. When Ocelot (the guy who hypnotized himself into thinking arms could possess people) brought up dissociative dissonance and amnesia and what not, I was under the impression that the man with helicopter and human fragments in his skull and body would be a somewhat unreliable source. I thought he was simply in denial and the brain damage was making his trauma way worse. Oh boy if only
There aren't "three ciphers" there aren't even two. There is only one Cipher, which is Zero's organization.
XOF used to be part of it, but Skull Face and XOF split up with Cipher to carry out his revenge on the world.
This whole time you are fighting only XOF and russian or central african military that have absolutely nothing to do with Cipher.
Miller is just going on and on about Cipher because he developed a huge paranoia and Ocelot feeds into it too because he is in on it, as Zero told him personally.
You make a good point.
There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital.
The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
Then who are you keeping Code Talker's research from in that mission after Skull Face is killed? Pretty sure they call them Cipher there.
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Miller says "It's XOF, it will end up in Cipher's hands."
As I told you, XOF hasn't been part of Cipher since at least Ground Zeroes. Miller doesn't know, he thinks it's Cipher behind everything due to his paranoia. In reality it's just XOF remnants.
Venous Snake also collects people for his operation in the field, and ocelot is a master interrogater. Venous snake is bringing people into the Lion's Den. They think they are being saved but really are falling into the hands of their unknown enemy and masters.
Though at one point they kill their own people, through a virus that attaches to the vocal cords, so the player is non the wiser, that this is a ploy.
You know, I bet someone in KojiPro watches these and sits there and smiles and nods. Awesome stuff, as usual you Solid Snack!
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@@adamklich1 thanks Adam
I hope you do a part 2. Out of all the MGS games, V is one of the most confusing because the line between reality and simulation has never been so blurry. There's not much explanation in game or in essay/videos so this helps a lot to understand just what is going on
Is it really that hard? I mean I understood the story completely even with the non linar story telling. Just pay attention.
@@ayoo.bruce01 Does it say how Volgin survived the Shagohad? Also why does Mantis only help those with the biggest lust for revenge?
My take is skullface is not real. Ground zeros was implanted in venoms memories, and never happened. Xof is run by big boss.
@@meticulouselectronics I've heard the theory that GZ was an implanted memory in Venom but never that BB is the leader of XOF. If that was the case, was XOF sent in as just another part of Venoms mental training? How do you explain Skull Face not being there at all through Phantom Pain tho? He's in the tapes and you see him quite a lot?
@@DANtheMANofSIPA big boss needed to go into hiding to create outer heaven. Xof was his army for outer heaven. He was there with venom when he woke up to make sure he wasn't killed by Quiet. There was no real enemy for Venom, Zero was looking for Big boss. So venoms mind created skullface. There are moments after he "dies" where Venom still sees him. Venom also hallucinates entire tapes, and encounters from Paz, who also died.
Awesome video, when people say MGSV has a bad story, they don’t focus on the dialogue by radio and cassettes, it has a very amazing atmosphere of storytelling
Yeah and dont forget the conversation between enemy soldier in open world segment or on missions.
@@KABLAMMATS and mother base gossip.
Yeah, because that is what I want in my MGS - having to focus on shit that is being told in audio cassettes recorded for no reason. Pull your head out of Kojima's ass. The game's shit and he clearly didn't want to make it.
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253 I bet he misses it now after the huge snooze of a game death stranding was/is
@@joetroutt7425 You think so ? I'm pretty sure he's probably much more surprised that quite a lot of people pushed that pile of shit back up his rectum. I don't think he misses MGS. He wanted to be done with it for decades, allegedly. But it's true - Death Stranding is the anti-fun. MGS used to be about crazy shit going on literally each half an hour, with everything culminating in some absurdly over-the-top, entertaining awesomness... But that was old Kojima, the one who still realized that in order to be praised he has to deliver. This new Kojima is a overpraised has-been genius who for a moment thought that he's on top of the world and can subject gamers to literally any type of boredom now that he's hailed as some kind of messiah. That's just what happens when a guy who starts with a game about a penguin gets praised into the skies long enough.
Biden leaving Afghanistan: "Leave our equipment for the Taliban."
Snake leaving Afghanistan: "Tie a balloon to it, lol."
It was literally Trump's plan followed step by step 👷♂️ that's why it worked so well.
@@danielclark612 ah yes trumps plan that got delayed
Truly sticking to trumps plan
@@klingerkun5766 changed everything else that Trump did, but that was the one thing he decided to keep, against the advice of every general and foreign policy expert we have. Totally Trump's fault. Totally.
Just like the "V" standing for the letter and the number, the phrase "V has come to" is also "5 has come 2". It marks the beginning of the 2nd part of the game split into 2, as well as the 2nd episode of "the TV series" following the "pilot episode", the main Ground Zeroes mission.
It also works seeing as Venom is the fifth (to us, but second chronologically) person to use the name Snake as well.
I see it almost as like what the doctor said when you first woke up in Cyprus, that we may not really see things as they are, so by saying "5 has come 2" it's almost like the game is saying "5 has now become 2", a sort of variation of 2+2=5. But then again, that's my take on it
Kojima has confirmed on twitter its pronounced mgsV and not mgs 5, because its a metal gear solid game about venom, and not snake
Also a lot of similarities with MGS2 (probably just wishful thinking)
@@n_worder Definitely similar in the sense that in MGS2 you're playing as what is intended to be a memetic clone of Solid Snake and in MGSV you're playing as BB's body double and memetic clone.
I feel i can best understand the mgs series lore only when im high
@Azreal Of the 1st legion Hey man, he can make great stuff and his games overall are all awesome! don't knock it till you try it.
@@Gadget-Walkmen we can be fans and recognize Kojima is batshit, it's okay
@@B0ULLIE Crazy? Well you have to be able to come up all the extreme stuff in the series. But that's what makes it fun and unique.
Imagine Metal Gear Solid, and then strip away Psycho Mantis, Gray Fox and Otacon, remove the sections where you're expected to look at the game case or put the controller up to your arm so the vibration heals you. It's easy to see how without the charm of these stranger elements, Metal Gear Solid would feel a lot more generic.
@@Gadget-Walkmen well yeah no one's complaining.
It's batshit and that's good, that's how I like it.
@@citizenvulpes4562 LOL that's good to know.
I rewatch this series every few months
I revisited this game for my platinum trophy and my God the things I had missed before, replaying the game and listening to all cassette tapes helps you understand this game more effectively
Thanks so much for making this i was just watching you and it’s suprising when i see you uploaded so fast, and thanks for going over what actually happens because so many people will say nothing happened in this game
This game has a soul, i didn't even play old metal gear games but i loved this one
You should play them, because if you think this one is good, you’ll be blown away by the others because they are subjectively better
I hope you’ve played them by now! At least MGS1-3 via the Collection Vol.1
@@benzym I'm planning to ! And thanks god the collection is here now
FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP EXPLAIN THE ACID TRIP THAT WAS V
Keep on keeping the metal gear meme alive.
Never be game over
Memes. The DNA of the soul.
Snake what happened snake snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake
Boss come in boss booooooooooooooooooooooos
@@monicawood7871 raiden answer me raiden RAIDENNNNNNNNN
Perfect timing, Boss!
Just bought the pc version (double dipping) in steam summer sale!
Due to it being a stealth and Metal Gear Solid game I would recommend using a controller to play it. You get more precise character movement and the button layout fits perfectly. At least this is how I played it.
@ the 360 degrees movement of a controller is great, yeah.
The 8 different directions of movements with WASD leave something to be desired ,true.
Though the precission and speed of a mouse do make up for it. Makes aiming a little to easy sometimes...
Luckilly I can switch between controller setups whenever I want 😁
THE1NONLY1 mouse aiming is king though. I played first on Xbox and second on PC with kb/m and I think kb/m is better.
@@MarioLuigi0404 I never said the aiming wasn't better I said the movement is. I exclusively play PC and in the first day I needed to plug in a controller since on M/KB you can either run or press a button and walk super slowly.
A controller works better for this game since you'll do more sneaking than shooting.
@ oh yeah, forgot about that.
Kojima is so good at writing that we need 3 hours of videos to understand it.
Truth be told… if he was *that* good we wouldn’t need a single minute of companion video essay to understand what happens
Frankly, I'm surprised that people are so confused by the plot of MGS. It literally boils down to "person good; people bad."
This channel is the best mgs channel explaining with consistent content I've seen. I never knew or paid attention to any of this in game clues. Great video!
Wtf
I started playing this game yesterday and I'm at work rn craving to get home and rescue the interpreter, and you release dis
You should first play the game without seeing this so you don't see any spoilers...
You are such a good TH-camr. You've really earned your chops through a bevy of fantastic gaming essays and I will definitely continue to watch anything you put out.
There has always been one cipher. Secretly ran by zero. Skull face was a part of it. Even back in 64 when skull face shadowed big boss' mission. However that all went to hell in 75 when skull face became a mutinee by attacking msf and big boss and then trying to kill his own cipher boss zero with that pin. The original cipher only wanted to establish big boss, although big boss wanted nothing to do with zero/cipher. Zero was obsessed with big boss and clearly loved him to the end as you can hear in that final tape where zero goes through all the trouble of visiting him in the Cyprus hospital.
The ai cipher is zero's cipher after the attack on him and he can no longer trust his own cognitive capabilities and future (as he admitts to big boss in the hospital) and he orders sigint to put up this plan
Damn dude, you honestly have some of the best MGS content out there. You go past just lore and analysis and talk about how weapons, and tech are compared to real life. I also love you vice city 9/11 vid. Keep up the good work.
You automatically win. You are the only person I have seen that finally gets the title right. It is MGS V NOT 5.
You are the only one I have seen that gets it completely right. For that alone you get a A+.
Dont you mean S++? ;)
God your videos are so good, they continue to make this game re-blow me away now 5 years after playing it. I really should regive the entire metal gear series a play now that I'm an adult.
"Thanks for that, boss!"
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Wow, you have really gone above and beyond with this video! I just recently started my 4th play through of the game (once on PS3, twice on PS4, and now on PC) and with each play through I would come to question even more of the narrative and intentions of the characters told to us and you have given the perfect answers (or as close to answers as we’ll get) to so many thoughts that crossed my mind. I really hope you do a second part. These videos are also a great way to celebrate the 5th anniversary of the game next month.
At 9:39 you already blew my mind
Lots of cool things from the game I didn't pick up on even after I finished it, good video
i still don't understand anything
13:51 that’s honestly a pretty creative way of saying, this is why I, Arthur Morgan, I mean Skullface will not be mentioned in any subsequent games or any other materials chronologically speaking. It’s about as well as you can do a blatant retcon.
As someone who has played this game like 10 times thank you so much for skipping the hospital scene
love your content man, top quality
I must admit i am completely addicted to his content, so thought inducing
Yup, I watch these several times and always come away with something new, just like MGS.
I do too but there is too many ads
Glad someone else saw what I saw. The Smoke and Mirrors in this game are very well placed and everything always seems well staged, every mission seems like a set and objectives are too similar to how things occur in later games. Awesome game though I replayed it again saw so much I didn't before.
Me before clicking this video: I don't need to watch this. I already know all of MGSV's story
After: Oh
It’s a testament to how good this game is that I, and many others, enjoyed playing dozens if not hundreds of hours without knowing what the hell was ever going on in terms of the story
Huey and Hal sharing a voice actor really threw me off. Having Hal be such a kind person actually fighting for the freedom of humanity just made me believe that Huey was innocent for the longest time. I felt like he was being unfairly judged and used by outside forces. After all was said and done though man why did he have to be like that :(
Right?! Yet they got rid of Hayter and the guy who voiced ocelot since FOREVER!
This really opened more then what I remembered playing hours of this game! Man this is some good info and small details that anyone can miss playing normally. I look forward to the next episode!
A lot of new perspective for me, really liked it.
Even after all these years.. there’s always something new to be discovered... we always wanted to go back to MGS instead of closing the chapter of snake and metal gear.... like a phantom pain
I've read and watched so much about MGS, I now have multiple degrees in military warfare and psychology
I just replayed MGSV over the course of the last two weeks and I did get the translation you mention at 17:01. I think there was a side op I went out of my way to do as soon as it opened up.
Interesting. Never considered Malak to be a key factor in the build up of the story. I am interested for more content!
Amazing Jorin, well done brother.
The image of the three Spidermans pointing at each other would describe cipher
Its insane the ammount of topics a person can have on this series.
After MG Solid the story became so freaking out there that you damn near needed an advance degree in Metal Gear history to understand what the hell is going on..
Just started playing this game, wow, can't believe I wait it years to pop into my ps4.
I want to know how they had more advanced metal gears decades before rex and ray
This video....
You’re pretty good.
Fantastic analysis and interpretation. I'm looking forward to replaying the game with all of this in mind. Can't wait for part two!!
Here from the Shadow Moses Cafe podcast. Great video! Looking forward to watching the next two.
I keep coming back to this game. Starting a third playthrough.
Wasn’t ‘Cipher’ was also the name of the ‘flying camera’ that takes pics of Solid Snake on the deck of the USS Discovery at the start of MGS2?!
Cipher isn't the name of the camera, but the entity behind the camera. Cipher is the group. Not a person or device
Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Natsuki814 Snake says ‘Cypher’ when he looks at the flying-camera device, so that must mean the device is called a Cipher itself - Otacon thinks it’s with the Military (Cypher-T), but Snake says it’s Army. I am not sure that Snake knows of the hidden group at this point in the story, though I may be wrong. Here is a link to a real-world device the game device may be based on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Cypher
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Happy to see this one go a bit more viral than usual. I hope all MGS fans find your channel, I've been watching nightly for a month now.
26:25 “it was all a lie” this got me pretty bad, this whole time as a player, it was all a show to get us in the program. cant imagine why Vic Boss went rampant in Metal Gear 1 this whole time, the real Big Boss “ishmael” set this extraordinary medic to be his double for “his standards” to cover himself against the patriots, and so this “medic” has to take all the bullshit. Cant blame him for going rampant 🤯
Your voice and mic quality are really satisfying :)
Why are we still here watching mgsv videos? Just to suffer?
3:54 being held for observation 👀
Noticed that too! That ass needs love!
It feels so sad because playing this game you feel the phantom pain, the feel of never close the cycle of MGS saga. The feel to never watch the fight between BB vs Zero and BB & Venom vs Solid Snake.
What? BB vs Zero? They never fought because that wasn't possible.
Zero cloned BB without his consent, which is why BB left him and did his own thing. Peace Walker plays out, Ground Zeroes plays out, Zero gets attacked by SkullFace and turns into a living potato soon, Zeto creates Venom to protect BB and get rid of SkullFace. That's it. By the time BB and Venom awake Zero is already basically braindead.
And Venom & BB vs Solid? We saw that, in Metal Gear 1 and 2 on MSX.
it literally (after all these years) just dawned on me why venom snake has a different voice actor.
MGS V is the Dark Souls of stealth action games
Pretty much. You don't really get the subtlety or entirety of MGSV's story without listening to optional NPC dialogue or the tapes the same as in Dark Souls if you don't pay attention to the NPCs there or item descriptions
skull face fit is fire you can't deny
gonna need one of these for every one of Kojimas game thank you
MGSV is the best MGS game hands down, don't @ me.
Most fun and best gameplay for sure. But not my fav story.
A Big Thanks. I did not notice any of this. I was high on the MEME of Big Boss.
Kojima is a gaming genius, and after doing my own video on "Gene," I can't wait to dive into the others! Thank you for posting the video.
Saw this on /v/, fantastic
Can’t wait for part 2
I love your videos, but it seems you start many series while others are ongoing. Is this purposeful? It just seems that while I’m waiting for a new episode in another series, another one is started. I’d love to watch them all through to the end but find it difficult to keep track of all the different series. Thanks again for the great videos and work you put in to them.
This game was ahead of its time. I didn't appreciate its genius until years later on another playthrough. I just got quiet back yesterday ! Still playing sometimes. Flawed masterpiece. You can clearly see that it's incomplete. It's a fantastic and smart game. Some of the best gameplay available in this genre.
This is an excellent approach in tying together all those small elements contextualizing the game's narrative
Solid Snake was so good in this Metal Gear Solid.
Wow, I'm surprised by how much quality MGSV content I'm getting around 5 years after it's release.
I just started getting into the game in the past month, but within that period some new quality content has turned up. From the Michael Saba video to this series. Didn't expect that when I started. Seems like I started playing at the right time...
This explains why no matter how many time I play it I have no clue what is going on in MGS:V; Snake is being gaslit by everyone around him!
The big reveal that you aren't playing as the real Big Boss happens in the cut scene after completing the Cyprus mission... it's not an endgame surprise
17:11 Knowledge of Russian language is a spoiler
What's there?
@@zawisiak3708 Sokolov tells Boss that his Russian is impecable in MGS3. So the fact that Venom doesn't understand Russian is foreshadowing Venom isn't Big Boss.
Big Boss knows like 6 languages
DANtheMANofSIPA Well, Yeah, but Ocelot parries that by saying that the horn is affecting brain. Anyway, what i wanted to say that “Giants arms for wind up toy” spoils that Metal Gear will appear soon. And if we talking about playing previous MGS games, it’s obvious that Venom isn’t actually a big boss.
@@parrot-carrot9875 'spoils that Metal Gear will appear soon' mate, the game's called Metal Gear Solid 😂😂😂
He pronounced the V in Metal Gear Solid V as V and not 5
Since you play as Venom. Apparently Kojima even said its V and not MGS5.
This game would have been so much better if instead of open world they just crafted a tight narrtive with open level designs and worked in more boss fights
Edit: and if they kept david hayter
Wouldn’t agree about David hatter back
DEATH STRANDING !! Hes not a great actor but he IS snake
So I haven't played much of MGS. I had 2 and 3 for PsVita. But I left my PsVita in a dumpster in Cambridge, MA near Harvard. My friend gave me his Vita, but I haven't touched it. I'm not much of a gamer these days. I want to work with Hideo one day. I'm trying to do hyper-realistic in a new and innovative way. You've seen the sort of realism we've come to accept in games. Flip-flop physics, hair effects, subsurface scattering, facial animations, big volumetric explosions. But tell me one game where a heart-shot is fatal. Or a few lung shots. Even a shot to the arm, that strikes an artery. None right? I have big plans. I call my style of realism "realific." I figured it best to make a new word, so people don't get confused prior to playing the game. I'm designing games so real, you can go out and do the same things... well maybe not YOU specifically, but I did it. And I'll for sure, record videos of the practices and reference actions, so people can tell just how real it is. I'm not a superhero. Those don't exist. But I've done what no other man can. That's no understatement. This was a long read. If you made it this far. Thanks for giving it the time of day. I appreciate you. Have a good one.
I was just thinking what if David Lynch and Hideo Kojima worked together on a project? 🤯
I'm abit confused about the 3 different parts of cypher. I thought miller was working with cypher and was a spy. Huey and the old code guy pointed fingers at him. I thought it was just unfinished. I'm new to this 3 part cypher thing though.
Miller was working with Cypher (Major Zero) during the events of MGS Peace Walker. This is revealed at the end of the game. Hes a spy for Zero, but not for the other two Cyphers (Skull Face/XOF and The Patriots.)
@@DANtheMANofSIPA you know that from the cassette tapes right?
Why are XOF, the patriots and Magor zero all part of different groups called cypher tho? That's so confusing lol I thought there was just 1 cypher and even then I didn't know the huge difference between it and the patriots.
RENZEENO Cypher is sort of an overarching organisation and all three of these organisations are a product of it.
The gameplay of MGSV was something else, never had this much fun replaying missions for 100% it. But yea, the first part is good, but the second is laking, you can see how the rushed it. It's truly sad to see this, it had so much potential and with MGS Survive, I don't have any hope in the franchise anymore.
This is a very detailed analysis of this game I loved. I can tell you have invested many hours doing this and so you now have a new follower.
Your theory that the competing branches of Cypher, and more specifically the fake Snake ruse, are ultimately meant to confuse the Patriots AI makes total sense and it lines up perfectly with Ocelot's motivation in MGS4.
Ocelot performs a very similar ruse himself in 4, convincing the world and the Patriots that he is a mental copy of Liquid, and as such will act as Liquid would and fulfill Liquid's goals. It was only by doing so that Ocelot could destroy the Patriots from within.
V has come to
As someone who didn't play any previous games I jumped into phantom pain and was so confused in the first mission, I was snake but the guy with me sounded like snake and i had no idea what was happening, then a fire lady attacked us and I just had to look this up lol. Even though these spoilers may be better to learn while playing, I can actually understand what's happening now so I'm enjoying it more now. And feel more connected to the story and why I should care lol
These are the kind of TH-cam videos that put me asleep, in a good way