@@der888 Whilst the CX-8/9 and MU-X are all large SUV's, they aren't in the same class of vehicle. The CX vehicles are based on the underpinnings of the Mazda6 sedan, so they are car-based SUVs. Essentially just big station wagons. Whereas the MU-X's body sits on a Ute-based Chassis which makes it more suited for things like towing & off-road driving. So its a 4x4 like a Hilux or Prado for example. Hopefully that helps :)
personally while i like the bragging rights of bigger numbers, I have found the numbers don't always equate to better feel. I mean I towed a car on a trailer with a manual 2009 Hilux, and they had what, less than 400nm? it didn't feel any different with the car on the trailer or without. It towed brilliantly. I've since driven much newer stock and tuned Rangers, Colorados and Tritons, with more power and torque and none felt any faster, in fact I was amazed at how gutless the ranger in particular felt.
Hi Paul like your channel. Can you tell me if the off the shelf nudge bar on the xterrain is compatible with the front parking sensors? I’ve been getting mixed messages and haven’t seen any videos with it on.
50nm and 10kw less isnt really that much of a difference, if it was 50kw and 150nm less then yeh it would be a mass difference. i picked the dmax x terrain over the hilux purly for the reliabilty the less cost in servicing over 5 years and the fact that it has way more safety features for a decent price.
Sad to say, one year later and still no official news from ISUZU of this "OFF-ROAD" Pack that you speak of here. It is a pity, as I would be interested in the DMAX with such a kit installed with the full factory warrantee.
I am waiting for Mazda South Africa to launch the new Isuzu based BT but I believe we will only get the double cab and not the awesome freestyle cab. I have the 3.2 with the Ford motor and gearbox and recently the gearbox has started acting up, so moving to an Isuzu powered Ute is perfect. I just prefer Mazda Styling and interior appointments
I'm actually looking to buy a new car really not sure what's best the last new car I bought was around $54,000 to spend that again and a bit more on extras trying to get my head around that ,Thanks for this review of sorts kinda helps.
I wonder if they will change the diff ratios for the bigger tyres, otherwise the gearbox change points and lockup settings will no longer be optimal - probably they will just re-map it. As for the power upgrade it will simply be a re-map, no need for a bigger turbo for such a modest increase. My bet is the Isuzu engine is quite capable of 650nm without much effort - it is 3.0l after all, and has less friction losses than the 3.0 V6 diesels as it is a 4 pot.
We're tipping another 6-12 months at this stage. New images of it are out now too: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-isuzu-mu-x-next-generation-suv-revealed-in-patent-images
Let's hope availability is going to be better as dealerships that i have checked do not have test drive vehicles in x-terrain and are quoting jan/feb for delivery . They both look good through
It's tight on availability at the moment. Once cars are delivered supply should improve. We ran a story on the details of them being sold out: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-isuzu-d-max-sold-out-five-month-wait-list-on-some-models
I've just watched your video of the new Nissan Navara Out of these three what would your choice be? I think an off road looking version of the Nissan would be my new choice after seeing all the brands updated 2021 version
Am advised by a reliable source that the Isuzu Dmax/BT50 engine factory has been forced to close due to a virus (COVID?) outbreak. Won’t reopen till the new year. That’s going to create a headache undoubtedly.
I'm for Philippines and I love the D max and I hope they added more horsepower on their engine for their new variant of D max this year 2021 or maybe next year
great news, the extra power for both vehicles will be welcomed.. especially for towing.. i look forward to more news on these upgrades especially the dmax
Hey Paul, the Dmax has held me back, but I"m going wait for the upgrade, hoping it comes with a bull bar similar to the warrior. But unfortunately the warrior is disappointing beside the outside. Can't wait to hear more about this!
Thanks for the vid. Excellent news to know there will be factory fitted enhancements. I'd like to know whether there will be any suspension upgrade options that provide a lift and better shock absorbers. I'd also like to know more about what the drive line is like.
What a pity that the 3.0 engine does not meet Euro6 final [or any earlier Euro6 standards] emission regs which excludes it from Europe. Europe gets the rather weedy 1.9 twin turbo diesel. WTF were they thinking of, given a claimed 10 year design time, which is enough time to design a Mars lander and actually land it. Only a six speed Aisin auto transmission when it should surely get the very well established eight speed auto. This six speed high torque Aisin gearbox was used in Audi Q7 and VW Tuareg V6 diesels since 2006 for goodness' sake.
@@djjames6576 Tell that to Ford who produce a 10 speed automatic for their large engine F150 truck range and to just about every car today that has the Aisin or ZF 8 speed units.
That Mazda looks tuff as nails! Definitely think the bt50 is the best looking out of the 2.. The dmax looks great as well but seems to look a little more plastic in my opinion.. Fingers crossed the manufactures take a page out of these renderer’s books 🤞
We ran a story on the Poer the other day. 400Nm of torque doesn't sound great, though. You can read more about it here: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-great-wall-ute-to-feature-120kw-engine-2250kg-braked-towing
Me personally having already ordered my D-Max X terrain prefer the front grill on the standard X terrain as it looks more aggressive to me! KO2 tyres already ordered for the vehicle so hopefully that will give it the aggressive stance I’m after! But awesome video mate keep it coming
As a recent P plater, I wanted to get a ute but they are so expensive for even the used ones. 10 year old utes still going for $20k, its insane :( ended up getting a mazda 3 sp25 for just under 10k
Power isn't everything. Off road performance comes down to clearance and traction. Just look at big farm tractors, they often run engines like 2.5 litre, 3 or 4 cylinder engines and can pull tree stumps out all day long.
I know it may seem like nitpicking but I don’t really see the Navarra warrior and the Ranger raptor in the same class. I see the Navarra warrior and the Ranger FX4 Max in the same class. And the raptor is above. And unless Isuzu have mad some major frame and suspension geometry and mechanical changes like the Raptor I see it in the same class as the Warrior and FX4 Max.
Ifthis is true about the new Dmax I'll definitely wait but the new Dmax x terrain is a dope men the only let down for me is the power and torque but in comfort and safety tech excellent 👌
You do realise you can get these engines tuned and get some serious power that will destroy all the other ute's. Some ppl are pushing 500rwhp on the 4jj1
brian sullivan thanks for pointing out the differences between the old versus new model, but mate you have missed my point somewhat completely. This is in relation to the topic of “off-road kit” nothing else Brian. So, as I have stated, nothing innovative with this particular model, except for what I have already mentioned...I wouldn’t buy the old model, but I would consider buying the updated D-Max, however I would upgrade it myself instead...thanks for your response 👍
@brian sullivan...reliability is the engines staple mate! Injectors on the previous model have been noted to be amongst the more reliable too. Engine re-mappers/power modules also like the power gains from such an under-stressed engine too. You really will be buying an awesome ute if you decide on this updated model. Look at Outback Armour suspension as an upgrade...awesome bit of kit! Cheers Brian
These are very impressive. For some reason my heart warms for the Mazda, I hope it can come early in South Africa. 2021 will be interesting
The Mazda is hot!
Agreed 100%. We are hoping to get the BT-50 in South America too.
Yes I agree the Mazda looks great in general, but the factory off-road version looks outstanding, I will be lining up for one please 👍🏻
Wish we had news on when D’Max coming to South Africa
I think the reason that the Dmax feels as powerful as the others is because it has more torque at lower rpm which is what you want.
Correct
I really hope they push through the 210hp mark and 500nm torque. It'll be a game changer!!!
I'm from the Philippines, so if you guys in Australia get this, I'll just cry from envy 😢
Hopefully you guys will get these too :-D
The bt50 looks beast as
Would love to see a Mazda version of the MUX
Feel free to correct me as I'm no car expert but aren't the CX-8/CX-9 essentially Mazda's equivalent of the MUX :)
@@der888 Whilst the CX-8/9 and MU-X are all large SUV's, they aren't in the same class of vehicle.
The CX vehicles are based on the underpinnings of the Mazda6 sedan, so they are car-based SUVs. Essentially just big station wagons.
Whereas the MU-X's body sits on a Ute-based Chassis which makes it more suited for things like towing & off-road driving. So its a 4x4 like a Hilux or Prado for example.
Hopefully that helps :)
personally while i like the bragging rights of bigger numbers, I have found the numbers don't always equate to better feel. I mean I towed a car on a trailer with a manual 2009 Hilux, and they had what, less than 400nm? it didn't feel any different with the car on the trailer or without. It towed brilliantly. I've since driven much newer stock and tuned Rangers, Colorados and Tritons, with more power and torque and none felt any faster, in fact I was amazed at how gutless the ranger in particular felt.
I personally am Exited about the power and torque increase news. Hope isuzu brings it now rather than next year
Hi Paul like your channel. Can you tell me if the off the shelf nudge bar on the xterrain is compatible with the front parking sensors? I’ve been getting mixed messages and haven’t seen any videos with it on.
Has there been any update or news on this? There is NO other site or info on this world wide??
Nothing yet! Hopefully soon 😁
@@CarExpertAus Any news Paul? Ive heard its called the SP (inline with CX,3,5,and 9) but no images yet......
I like Isuzu dmax😍😍😍😍😍
sad Mazda BT-50 not sold in Canada.
Its too small for your road
50nm and 10kw less isnt really that much of a difference, if it was 50kw and 150nm less then yeh it would be a mass difference. i picked the dmax x terrain over the hilux purly for the reliabilty the less cost in servicing over 5 years and the fact that it has way more safety features for a decent price.
Sad to say, one year later and still no official news from ISUZU of this "OFF-ROAD" Pack that you speak of here. It is a pity, as I would be interested in the DMAX with such a kit installed with the full factory warrantee.
Only negative is no option for a winch without changing the nice front end with a bar
Wow. Both look great. Dmax is my favourite. Oh, on Nm, I drove it and didn’t feel underpowered. At all.
Still waiting for this one Paul, any updates?
Do you think the power upgrade could be retrofitted? Would hate to buy one, then have the upgraded engine come out shortly after!
This will be able to allow me to get the kids to school whilst looking tough
Yes 450 held me back until now ! Can't wait for the BT-50
Damn i hope they make that mazda..
What kind fuel injection pump has the DMAX
I am waiting for Mazda South Africa to launch the new Isuzu based BT but I believe we will only get the double cab and not the awesome freestyle cab. I have the 3.2 with the Ford motor and gearbox and recently the gearbox has started acting up, so moving to an Isuzu powered Ute is perfect. I just prefer Mazda Styling and interior appointments
I'm actually looking to buy a new car really not sure what's best the last new car I bought was around $54,000 to spend that again and a bit more on extras trying to get my head around that ,Thanks for this review of sorts kinda helps.
The x terrain looks great, but i wish they would release it without the tonneau cover, so a canopy can be added right away
I wonder if they will change the diff ratios for the bigger tyres, otherwise the gearbox change points and lockup settings will no longer be optimal - probably they will just re-map it. As for the power upgrade it will simply be a re-map, no need for a bigger turbo for such a modest increase. My bet is the Isuzu engine is quite capable of 650nm without much effort - it is 3.0l after all, and has less friction losses than the 3.0 V6 diesels as it is a 4 pot.
Desperately awaiting the new MUX...any guesses as to how long it will be?
We're tipping another 6-12 months at this stage. New images of it are out now too: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-isuzu-mu-x-next-generation-suv-revealed-in-patent-images
@@CarExpertAus Awesome, I reckon that timeframe will be perfect!
Wonder if they’ll give the bt50 a mux treatment
Mazda has already said that they wont be doing an suv version
Let's hope availability is going to be better as dealerships that i have checked do not have test drive vehicles in x-terrain and are quoting jan/feb for delivery . They both look good through
It's tight on availability at the moment. Once cars are delivered supply should improve. We ran a story on the details of them being sold out: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-isuzu-d-max-sold-out-five-month-wait-list-on-some-models
how is the ride comfort. Isuzu has fall short for me in that area in the past
Hope this come to NZ.
Fingers crossed!
I've just watched your video of the new Nissan Navara
Out of these three what would your choice be?
I think an off road looking version of the Nissan would be my new choice after seeing all the brands updated 2021 version
Both look beastly!! would consider a purchase with this kit
They both u look 👀 great 👍 Paul from a Ford Ranger ownerships.
So this is really a response to the FX4 Max?
Yes it could be. We don't believe this will be as 'extreme' as the Ranger Raptor, but landing around the spot of the FX4 Max would be a good thing!
Am advised by a reliable source that the Isuzu Dmax/BT50 engine factory has been forced to close due to a virus (COVID?) outbreak. Won’t reopen till the new year. That’s going to create a headache undoubtedly.
I'm for Philippines and I love the D max and I hope they added more horsepower on their engine for their new variant of D max this year 2021 or maybe next year
Very nice when this come out to market i will buy one of this
More power? Not compared to the outgoing BT 50 5-cylinder.
Thanks for the cool update .
Isuzu Dmax = AMD
Toyota Revo = Intel
great news, the extra power for both vehicles will be welcomed.. especially for towing.. i look forward to more news on these upgrades especially the dmax
Thanks for another wonderful video mate 👏👏👏
My pleasure!
More power. I need a bigger boat. Not a bigger vehicle. Haha.
Leaning towards the DMax.
I hope the d max off-road is a similar price to the n-trek warrior
Hey Paul, the Dmax has held me back, but I"m going wait for the upgrade, hoping it comes with a bull bar similar to the warrior. But unfortunately the warrior is disappointing beside the outside. Can't wait to hear more about this!
I'd buy the DMax as 450nm is a lot and I'm not looking for the biggest bakkie.... Is it still the most fuel efficient? It would suit me fine I think
Thanks for the vid. Excellent news to know there will be factory fitted enhancements. I'd like to know whether there will be any suspension upgrade options that provide a lift and better shock absorbers.
I'd also like to know more about what the drive line is like.
Our understanding is the upgrades will be in the form of suspension, tyres and further underbody protection. We don't know complete details just yet.
@@CarExpertAus do you know whether the upgrades will be offered across the range. We are looking at the LSU.
That Amarok looks so old!!!!
The design is 10 years old...
New one coming soon.
Yes it maybe a old style, but the vw is a good ute in its own right.
Fantastic news. Great review Paul. Can’t wait for the new MUX. Do you think prices will be roughly around the D-max for top spec?
We hope so! There was a big price hike for D-Max, so it's likely that the MU-X will increase in price too, but let's see what happens.
Hi Paul. Great review as usual and sorry if this has been asked already. I assume the power upgrade would be available later on a D-Max purchased now.
To me the Isuzu is the better looker with the BT50 still having the car like appearance being much softer in the metal.
I don't mind that at all, not one bit!
Those artist render look great. I particularly liked the redesigned grill of the D-Max. Much better than the twin fang look of the new model.
Agreed! The grille actually looks much better with a single horizontal slat.
This is very good news with the gear box upgrade. I want it for it when the new mux comes out!
Great gear boxes.
Would love to find a list of all the differences between the dmax and bt50
None really
What a pity that the 3.0 engine does not meet Euro6 final [or any earlier Euro6 standards] emission regs which excludes it from Europe.
Europe gets the rather weedy 1.9 twin turbo diesel. WTF were they thinking of, given a claimed 10 year design time, which is enough time to design a Mars lander and actually land it.
Only a six speed Aisin auto transmission when it should surely get the very well established eight speed auto. This six speed high torque Aisin gearbox was used in Audi Q7 and VW Tuareg V6 diesels since 2006 for goodness' sake.
@@djjames6576
Tell that to Ford who produce a 10 speed automatic for their large engine F150 truck range and to just about every car today that has the Aisin or ZF 8 speed units.
If the new Isuzu D-MAX actually looked like that rendering I’d consider buying it. More power and torque from the 3.0 would be a winner, too.
they're taking us all for a ride, really the pace of innovation is glacial. no wonder Tesla makes them look like dinosaurs
Will they come out in Canada?
Not at this stage, I think the US only gets large Isuzu trucks (not the dual-cab utes).
Nice one Paul bring it on.
Mazda 🔥
D'max Perfect
That Mazda looks tuff as nails! Definitely think the bt50 is the best looking out of the 2.. The dmax looks great as well but seems to look a little more plastic in my opinion.. Fingers crossed the manufactures take a page out of these renderer’s books 🤞
Artists makes it look very good. Any news of the off road "Poer", it certainly looks challenging?
We ran a story on the Poer the other day. 400Nm of torque doesn't sound great, though. You can read more about it here: www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2021-great-wall-ute-to-feature-120kw-engine-2250kg-braked-towing
@@CarExpertAus Missed it??? Thanks!
isuzu dmax south africa KB300 has always got diff lock !!!!!!
Was that an aftermarket addition?
@@CarExpertAus NO ALL ISUZU KB300 came with rear diff lock even the 4x2 model !
www.isuzu.co.za
Happy Aussies ! In Europe we only get 1.9 Litre Engines and 360Nm!😥
Me personally having already ordered my D-Max X terrain prefer the front grill on the standard X terrain as it looks more aggressive to me! KO2 tyres already ordered for the vehicle so hopefully that will give it the aggressive stance I’m after! But awesome video mate keep it coming
Is that for real? This would be a raptor killer for sure.
Hahaha not even close.
Wow the look super, unfortunately in South Africa will be getting the bt50 in 2021 and Isuzu in 2022☹
Excited for these utes. Great review. Im guessing around $70k for either of them
The pricing sounds about right! Ford sells plenty of Ranger Raptors at $75k, so it'll be interesting to see where pricing lands.
@yusufaustralia Yep, prices are ridiculous.
@yusufaustralia Yep agree. That said, people are lining up to buy them.
@@KingWilliamProtector Given the forecast for the global economy, the second hand market will be flooded with them.
As a recent P plater, I wanted to get a ute but they are so expensive for even the used ones. 10 year old utes still going for $20k, its insane :( ended up getting a mazda 3 sp25 for just under 10k
Power isn't everything. Off road performance comes down to clearance and traction. Just look at big farm tractors, they often run engines like 2.5 litre, 3 or 4 cylinder engines and can pull tree stumps out all day long.
Can't wait to see you review the Hyundai i30 N Dct👍👍👍
engine 4JJ1 in D-Max 2005 to now 2020 Ummm long time.
I know it may seem like nitpicking but I don’t really see the Navarra warrior and the Ranger raptor in the same class. I see the Navarra warrior and the Ranger FX4 Max in the same class. And the raptor is above. And unless Isuzu have mad some major frame and suspension geometry and mechanical changes like the Raptor I see it in the same class as the Warrior and FX4 Max.
That's true - we filmed this prior to FX4 Max being announced.
Mazda will finally shift some utes .
There was nothing wrong with the old model, it did everything well!
izuzu Yesterdays technology tomorrow.
True. The old BT50 had hill decent, rear diff lock, more power in the 5 cyl engine. Downgrade going to Isuzu dinosaur company.
Who will fix your ranger when their is a problem, I doubt that Ford can.
@@gw5436 hey, the new one also has hill descent and rear diff lock, you're talking about the old dmax
I really really hope they offer the power upgrade with the manual too. They wont, but I can dream.
Ifthis is true about the new Dmax I'll definitely wait but the new Dmax x terrain is a dope men the only let down for me is the power and torque but in comfort and safety tech excellent 👌
You do realise you can get these engines tuned and get some serious power that will destroy all the other ute's. Some ppl are pushing 500rwhp on the 4jj1
@@Dan-gu4bg thank you for the advise mate so if buying this Dmax my first major upgrade will be the engine tune it up
They actually feel much better than 450Nm of torque, so I suspect there's a chance they are undervaluing the output figure.
@@edwardhoyestradachannel35 Nope first upgrade- tyres.
@@stevemackenzie5271 OK mate thank you for all of your suggestions mate's God bless
They need to bring these to the US instead of having 5 different terrible crossovers
The same gearbox in the hilux & the triton
Don’t know why all these modern utes are so underpowered it’s ridiculous. I’ll buy when they do 0-100kmh in under 7 seconds
Do I have to remember Australians that Europeans get only the 1.9 360nm engine? 😿😿😿😿😿😿
Isuzu...please bring it over.
الحمدلله ماشاءالله👍👍👍
Drool !!!!!
wow idol
hheheheh him or her, you never gonna know ! absolute gold. thats how fucked up the world has gotten.
verygood
I’m trying not to fall in love with these 2 😅 I’ll still be a Ranger loyalists 😄
Wow....a re-flashed ecu, all terrains and off road shocks, nothing innovative here!
brian sullivan thanks for pointing out the differences between the old versus new model, but mate you have missed my point somewhat completely. This is in relation to the topic of “off-road kit” nothing else Brian. So, as I have stated, nothing innovative with this particular model, except for what I have already mentioned...I wouldn’t buy the old model, but I would consider buying the updated D-Max, however I would upgrade it myself instead...thanks for your response 👍
@brian sullivan...reliability is the engines staple mate! Injectors on the previous model have been noted to be amongst the more reliable too. Engine re-mappers/power modules also like the power gains from such an under-stressed engine too. You really will be buying an awesome ute if you decide on this updated model. Look at Outback Armour suspension as an upgrade...awesome bit of kit! Cheers Brian
Talks about it being his favourite ute because of safety features in the opening line. Goodbye Muppet
Seen ya!
@@CarExpertAus hmm having a safer car is obviously uncool in this dudes mind...Darwinism playing out here maybe? 🤣
Eisuusuu