It's good to see some knowledgeable people letting out some info behind the scenes. It seems that the newer technology is being hidden from the public. To let some people know: DPF stands for Diesel Particulate Filter, which captures the soot (unburned fuel), untill senseors on both ends of the DPF sense a pressure drop due to filter being full. Regeneration Mode occurs, restricting air intake and injecting extra fuel into exhaust ahead of DPF and heating DPF to a point that turns the soot into ash. The ash remains in DPF until DPF has to be cleaned or replaced. To clean DPF, it must be removed, cut open, ash cleaned out and DPF rewelded back together. DEF on the other hand is for Diesel Exhaust Fluid, which is Urea (a solution containing a larege amount of nitrogen) that is sprayed into the exhaust system after the DPF to react with nitrogen oxides,( which react cause smog), to reduce nitrgen oxides. the black smoke coming out of a diesel engine is soot (a pollutant according to the EPA). So you storing soot to later reburn and convert to ash. Supposedly to make the air cleaner. But you consume more fuel to make the air cleaner.
I am a Detroit diesel tech, read some of the comments its obvious most of you don't know how these systems work. first exhaust goes into a DOC diesel oxidation catalyst burns off un-burnt fuel ( remember the old diesels that made your eyes burn at idle?) next is DPF soot is not un-burnt fuel but it is a particulate mostly carbon ( the C in C02 ) particulates are captured and stored until a regen is performed which burns off particulates into ash which is stored until the dpf is full. ( once dpf ash content is 100% they are removed and cleaned) next is SCR Selective Catalyst Reduction in which urea ( ammonia ) is added when scr temp is above 478 deg f . the NoX ( nitrous oxides ) nitrogen bonds are broken at this temp and the nitrogen in the urea can combine with the the NoX turning it into nitrogen (78% of the air you breathe) water and CO2. expressed as 4NO + 2(NH2)2 CO + O2 → 4N2 + 4H2O + 2CO2 but much lower levels of co2. a diesel engines #1 emission is NoX , diesel engines today put out 75- 90% less NoX ppm per BHP/hr than just 10 years ago. And I don't know about the light diesels but heavy trucks are getting same or better mileage then 10 yrs ago. 8 mpg is the average I see that's 80,000 gvw, a lot more than a pick up truck.
red66chevy with the introduction of scr and def, why do the still have dpf? Why dont they increased combustion temps in order to take care of the particulate matter and then up the scr to deal with the higher nox levels?
Too bad we have to do this same exact shit in the AG and Industrial lines to. Just had to do a manual regeneration on a costumers skid steer because of a plugged DPF filter. It took over 3 hours to unplug, fuck the government.
I know that this is an older video but sure came in handy for me to help a guy that is stuck. Now I know what steps I need to take to get him back on the road again. THANKS.
Very knowledgeable video. I recently purchased a 2016 F350 diesel and I'm not sure how to force the manual regen, I assumed if it was full of DEF it was doing it automatically but I guess I was wrong. What do I click on the truck to get it to manual regeneration. When I click the button it doesn't seem to rev the engine like in your video. Does it take a few minutes to kick in? Also- should the exhaust icon always be lit up on the dash when driving or only when forcing a region? Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
It seems to me to idle the diesel at elevated RPM is a larger waste of fuel and emission than a straight exhaust would amount to. Damn government is always after a dollar somewhere, not always for the better.
+WildTurkey Rye I could not agree more. I actually wanted one of the Ford diesels but I am now leaning towards the 6.2 gas. Too much emissions crap on the newer diesels, even going back a few years. I realize the 6.2 is not going to tow as well but it is still a very capable vehicle for my needs.
Basically they are burning more fuel to "save" on emissions. If you want to save on emissions simply use a straight exhaust and burn overall less fuel.
It definitely uses more fuel, it also wears out your engine twice as fast as it should, not to mention the aggravating regeneration cycle that always occurs just before you pull into your driveway, or the never-ending purchases of exhaust fluid...
To get it to run clean, we need to burn ALOT more fuel. Sounds like the people who sell fuel get to set the standards how emissions are "cleaned up". Stranded in a 50-60 K truck for DPF faults would have me looking for an LBZ DMax in the used lot to buy.
Unless I'm mistaken there was an option that could be purchased when ordering a 6.7 that would allow an owner to perform a manual regeneration on their own. (I believe that cab and chassis models have that capability as well.) I've got a 2014 Lariat that does not allow me to do the regen on my own. The question is this: can the truck be reflashed to allow for manual regen?
I'm planning on factory ordering a 2017 F250 with a 6.2 and 4.30 gears. All full-size diesels have this potential as shown in the video. I'll live with the extra revs as a trade off to trouble free 87 octane and no emission problems.
samething as when doing it for a duramax, but the weird thing is GM turns the fan on right from the get go... i find this cool to see how different things are with the new systems.
Holy Sh!t, if you rev'ed an older motor like that, you would be labeled crazy, now you can not avoid beating on your 6.7, no load engine. My 6.0 is looking better every day . . .
My 2000 7.3L PSD will swing at 3,000RPM all day long in my F550. On long recoveries (wrecker), I'll rev up to 2,800RPM to pull 100ft of cable in faster. It takes it no problem. And 294,000 miles on engine, trans, and chassis.
Maybe if they used a separate injector into the pipe instead of opening the valves in the pistons to pass the burning diesel it would be more reliable. Heck, you could turn it into an after burning pipe for thrust!
FordTechMakuloco the 7th/9th injector strategy is used in alot of the heavier equipment and vehicles. It is much better for the engine since you're not exposing the engine block, heads, egr cooler, and turbo to extremely high exhaust temps (blast furnace anyone?). Why ford and international decided to use the 7 and 8 injectors for dpf regeneration is beyond me.
2019 ford f250 6.7l power stroke , i don’t know much about diesel, how would this truck do as a daily driver/short trip truck, (no deletes) no towing or hauling, 6 miles to work and 6 miles back home? a grocery getter. long trip once a year. i just want a big truck, i like the sound of the 6.7l power stroke diesel
1st I would be pretty pissed if an emissions sensor stuck me in Idle-only mode! Life is hard enough without Hal9000 tripping you down the stairs. 2nd Is the whole purpose just to heat up the DPF and burn this off like a self cleaning oven?
Hi, I'm stuck in idle only mode with P20E8. I had injection pump and def injector replaced. First time I tried DPF regeneration I had to add fuel. Put 5 gallons in(20% level indicated). The next time went through whole process but it still stayed in idle mode. The next two times tried I would get "DPF regeneration timeout" and it ended the procedure. Is it not possible to run procedure in succession? Also is there a software program update for this system? 2014 F-350 6.7 only 23k miles. Thanks Dave
My 2017 F250 Lariat is in the shop now. It quit while towing my 5th. 60,000 km on it with no warning lights etc just started losing power and quit. I have only owned this for a few months and have never added any DPF fluid as it has never gone down. Any insight on what I may have been doing wrong?
I have a 7.3 PSD f350 and was looking to buy a new 6.7, but the EPA exhaust and emissions is way more unreliable than the older trucks ... talking to the dealership, I ask them about reliability and they evade that question with the 6.7. I want to buy a new F350, but the 2 dealerships cannot tell me I could get 100,000 miles without a major repair. Sadly the EPA appears to be killing the diesel light truck market. Nice truck, just not too excited about a 7,000 dollar exhaust repair or 5,000 dollar turbo repair.
Depending on where you live in the U.S. you can delete the aftertreatment and run a programmer to fool the computer that the emission stuff is on the truck. Here in Texas they do a safety inspection and no emission test. but they do a visual check to see if I still have the emission crap on it. but i ran a bypass tube around the dpf doc so they don't know if its been deleted. the 6.7 are good engines if you delete the crap. these new engine will not last long due to that all this emission crap is on it which pretty much kills the power and engine performance. like the Exhaust Gas Recirculation or (EGR) it cycles burned exhaust soot back into the intake to get reburned which cause injector failure and loss of power. I took my truck to Bill from powerstrokehelp.com and told him to dealerproof the crap out of it. which he rebuild my engine with better gaskets and parts which his work is lifetime warranty. I didn't do the dealership warranty which i just use the money from there and put it in the dealerproof setup.
I am not going to buy a new truck to spend another 5000 dollars on modification ... these automakers and govt can go F themselves and I refuse to buy anything their producing because of their sheer politically correct planned obsolesence corrupt ways!
How long does the manual Regen process take? Mine is prompting me to do it at idle, and it I can leave it for 10+min and it still says exhaust is 100% full. Dealer did a manual Regen and said "sometimes it just needs to be done". Got the truck back and it was fine until it needed a regen, now drive to clean never goes away and it asks me to do a parked Regen on my dash.
My 2015 6.7 is stuck on engine idle, have straight pipe,no dpf, spoke to a diesel mechanic told me I need to get a whole new dpf Stock that way my truck gets running again. Can I bypass without new dpf?
chad harmon lol just thought of that I just started doing it to my F250 and it sounds like a fucking straight piped diesel locomotive is going down my ear Canal and p.s. my neighbors are ganna be pissed lol
I understand that the 6.4 Liter injected fuel into number 7&8 cylinders on the exhaust stroke to perform Regeneration of the DPF, with all the extra heat passing through the turbo. My question is does the 6.7 do the same thing or has Ford improved on the process. If so how does the 6.7 inject the fuel?
Raymond Louks it is still injected into the cylinder on the exhaust steoke, subjecting the engine block, heads, egr cooler, and turbo to essentially a blast furnace. The only reason that the 6.7 has been more reliable (if you can even call diesels made after 2007 reliable) is because the dpf doesn't regen as often thanks to the scr and def.
My 2015 6.7 with 68,000 will not do auto regens, I have to use my Edge CTS to manually do it. When I am traveling/driving it says thar it is cleaning but the idle never goes up and it never says complete. The worst part is, the original DPF completely plugged and needed to be replaced at 66,000 miles
i did all the steps are shown in the video but a wrong massege appered, beside that my car does not move on more than 10 km/h speed so i can't do the steps in the manual
I'm trying o be a power stroke technician and I am wondering if you have any advice for me to get there and what I would pretty much be doing as a technician any feed back would be helpful thank you.
I would get formal automotive training and then try to get into a dealer and from there they will send you to school for the new engines and we have tons of great web based classes for credits from Ford also. You would be doing everything diesel everyday old to new so be ready for it. Find a guy who knows his stuff there and latch onto him.
FordTechMakuloco thank you I am trying to push my parents to have me go to uti I have been working on gas trucks for years and the power strokes fascinate me thank you for your time also
Fordtech. When I go into the "cleaning exhaust filter" flash message. I will hold a constant rpm and speed and the truck will start to get jumpy and some clanking from underneath feels like a slow death wobble but it's definitely engine related . If I increase rpm it goes away. What's going on??
Kevin Kidwell Never did this before? There are many message on the engine running rough and low power during cleaning as being normal.Some 2011-2016 F-Super Duty pickup truck vehicles equipped with a 6.7L diesel engines may exhibit a runs rough condition only during the exhaust regeneration process. The condition typically occurs when the vehicle is idled for prolonged periods or frequently driven for short periods. This occurs because the drive cycle is insufficient to allow the diesel particulate filter (DPF) regeneration to complete.
FordTechMakuloco yes I recently started a new job where all I do is idle and short drives. And that is right when it started. What can I do? Manual regens? Just not idle ever? Delete everything involving emissions?
+FordTechMakuloco Yeah. I noticed my 6.4 runs terrible when I stay in the city for a week. I need to go back to highway miles. Also I plan on changing the oil more frequently. I do not think Ultra Low sulfur is even good enough to prevent oil contamination from regen
Legally you can't take the dpf off, but if you don't in time you'll cook the 7 & 8 cylinder. I have a 6.4l and with the cost of a rebuilt engine. $$$$$ you have to weigh your options.
+Johnny Rocket Well bud, all the new diesels have this shit and they all have their own problems. Thanks to our government, they rake in the money while we get stuck with this shit. Emissions control is just a big money scam and really has a miniscule effect on the environment. Less than 1% actually.
Have a f-350 dully 4 doors sometime when you turn into another road and get back on the fuel it don't go, double clutch the fuel pedal and it start back but you got a 5 to 10 second delay. Dealer said truck got to learn how I'd drive, right so need some help, 2011 6.7
No sounds like there is allot more going on there that is not normal at any rate I would try a different dealer sounds like the turbo is not spooling up and may be sticking.
+fly3601 It all depends on the model year and what options are available in the programmable parameters. I remember this only be available on the high level clusters.
Just curious but are the new Ram 2500/3500's with the Cummins having this same problem? I just ordered a 2015 F350 Monday. I am wondering if I should have ordered the Ram instead. Paying $65k for a truck and having these problems or being stranded is just ridiculous.
Yes they are as these are the first years using def on the Rams. They will fix it soon I am sure. Likely a new sensor and updated calibration but engineering need time to figure out why it is failing and then go from there with a revised sensor.
FordTechMakuloco I have a 2012 F250 and want to do EGR, DPF, and DEF deletes and tune. I've read many blogs saying its the best thing you could do to our truck. What is your Professional opinion? Should I delete?
As long as you have the new Tune to go along with it I think it is a great idea should free up lots of power and mpg's too. It is illegal but it will sure help and the truck will be ok as that is all just emissions devices.
So, the few vehicles we have at work that don't take the DEF, basically store the pollutants and then during a regen., blow all of the latent pollution out of the pipe. how in the fuck does that make any sense? or did I get it wrong? And in the Fords we have at work, that means, when the engine isn't blown and being replaced, or the turbo isn't blown either. again. The Maxx force internationals we have at work, the parkd regeneration doesn't do a thing. i ran it through a cycle and when it was done, it said dpf needs a regeneration. what kind of stupid vehicle is this? It had to be opened up on the highway to clear it. i wasn't even close to the highway and the dpf was almost full. pain in the ass just to store up all of the pollutants to have them all blown out of the tailpipe at once. stupid government.
+bababooey7576 No the DPF collect the soot and particulate matter and then during regeneration they burn up at very high temps to turn them into harmless ash.
FordTechMakuloco Maybe the guy on the trucking show was incorrect. I thought I'd heard ages ago too, that it was just ash, this guy on the show was saying how it is such a scam, it is just latent pollution etc., I haven't totally delved into the make up of what actually comes out of the tailpipe. Just been learning how the systems work etc., and the many issues the engines are having as a result of these systems.
Sounds like you need to check out exactly what the catalytic converter does, the diesel particulate filter and what the selective catalyst reduction filter does
Patrick Pikulski I might have been fresh off watching some trucking show, where the host basically said something to that effect about latent pollution etc. the tail pipes aren't all sooty like before. I am aware of what the filters and such are for, it is just the frustration of the government's regulations and a new(ish) technology and working the bugs out. The emissions equipment seems to be the biggest source of headaches, atleast at work anyhow...and from what I've seen on here...it is a known thing at work with the maxx force trucks that the 'park'd regen' does absolutely nothing. It is always a highway deal
+bababooey7576 What I'm saying is do you know what the emissions equipment does on a chemistry level. The tier 4 emission standards are a pain in the ass and it helps if your in a state that doesn't scrutinize trucks with all emission equipment removed. Re-gen processes are soooo hard on the engine and equipment it's a sin you pay 60k for something that self destructs.
I no its a old post but you can do forced regen on your cell phone all you do if go to play store down load forscan lite and have a Bluetooth ob2 scanner and thats is I just did mine today for the first time it took about 32 minutes
TheIrfanxz44 I had a reductant caution at 60k 2014 F-350. Didn’t take it in, had the kit ready in case...had it running for about 6 hrs and no more P207F or countdown.
Ok here is what you do if you live in a smog state. Put your dpf on for smog then weld flanges to the ends so you can quickly interchange it with a straight open pipe after you are done smogging . Problem solved. Also clean your egr every time you change you oil 🇺🇸
As usual, FORD is letting the customer beta test their engineering. Just got a notice of a "Customer Satisfaction Program 13B17" on my Escape. I think I'll wait until I get the recall notice for the power steering failures and have both fixed at the same time. It always takes three trips to the dealership to get anything fixed anyway. The first trip is to verify the complaint and order the part. The second trip is to have the part installed and the third trip is to have the previous repair fixed. Then they send the customer satisfaction survey so you can tell them what a wonderful job they did. Sadly, Ford isn't the worst.
Yup thats why i waited this long to own one so i can skip and avoid all the brake down crap that would happen to the first people to own those trucks and now i know before it happens to me lol
Just limped home on my family vacation due to this BS. I’m getting rid of my truck and never buying another ford. Expensive POS. I’m so pissed off. Nightmare!
@@FordTechMakuloco Hi, This might be a little off-topic. I have a 2015 F350 6.7, 30,000 miles. The other day it started shaking slightly and ticking at the same time. I was driving at 30 miles per hour going up a slight incline. I read it is an issue with the 2015's but nobody can find a fix. Any ideas? Thanks!
I have a 2013 F-350 ... pretty much same as in this video. Nothing fancy on the dash panel. Aside from the communist emission BS, the dash panel won't even tell you the oil life percentage or def level. It will just say oil life OK, DEF level OK, etc. I swear to God the engineers who designed this setup were Nazis with control issues. Damnit I wanna know how much oil life is left before the annoying change oil now demand pops up. Or how much def is in the damn tank. Maybe it should just display all the commands in German or have a Hitler voice prompt scream at you over the speakers "Za oil is FINE!"
It's good to see some knowledgeable people letting out some info behind the scenes. It seems that the newer technology is being hidden from the public. To let some people know: DPF stands for Diesel Particulate Filter, which captures the soot (unburned fuel), untill senseors on both ends of the DPF sense a pressure drop due to filter being full. Regeneration Mode occurs, restricting air intake and injecting extra fuel into exhaust ahead of DPF and heating DPF to a point that turns the soot into ash. The ash remains in DPF until DPF has to be cleaned or replaced. To clean DPF, it must be removed, cut open, ash cleaned out and DPF rewelded back together. DEF on the other hand is for Diesel Exhaust Fluid, which is Urea (a solution containing a larege amount of nitrogen) that is sprayed into the exhaust system after the DPF to react with nitrogen oxides,( which react cause smog), to reduce nitrgen oxides. the black smoke coming out of a diesel engine is soot (a pollutant according to the EPA). So you storing soot to later reburn and convert to ash. Supposedly to make the air cleaner. But you consume more fuel to make the air cleaner.
Absolutely 100%!!!Wasting fuel just for an unnecessary clean out.Being that we use low sulphur fuel now
I am a Detroit diesel tech, read some of the comments its obvious most of you don't know how these systems work. first exhaust goes into a DOC diesel oxidation catalyst burns off un-burnt fuel ( remember the old diesels that made your eyes burn at idle?) next is DPF soot is not un-burnt fuel but it is a particulate mostly carbon ( the C in C02 ) particulates are captured and stored until a regen is performed which burns off particulates into ash which is stored until the dpf is full. ( once dpf ash content is 100% they are removed and cleaned) next is SCR Selective Catalyst Reduction in which urea ( ammonia ) is added when scr temp is above 478 deg f . the NoX ( nitrous oxides ) nitrogen bonds are broken at this temp and the nitrogen in the urea can combine with the the NoX turning it into nitrogen (78% of the air you breathe) water and CO2. expressed as 4NO + 2(NH2)2 CO + O2 → 4N2 + 4H2O + 2CO2 but much lower levels of co2.
a diesel engines #1 emission is NoX , diesel engines today put out 75- 90% less NoX ppm per BHP/hr than just 10 years ago. And I don't know about the light diesels but heavy trucks are getting same or better mileage then 10 yrs ago. 8 mpg is the average I see that's 80,000 gvw, a lot more than a pick up truck.
Great info
Still a shit system none the less.
red66chevy with the introduction of scr and def, why do the still have dpf? Why dont they increased combustion temps in order to take care of the particulate matter and then up the scr to deal with the higher nox levels?
But at what costs? Buy a diesel payed by a hourly worker.... that at minimum should last 500 thousand miles!!!
Too bad we have to do this same exact shit in the AG and Industrial lines to. Just had to do a manual regeneration on a costumers skid steer because of a plugged DPF filter. It took over 3 hours to unplug, fuck the government.
I know that this is an older video but sure came in handy for me to help a guy that is stuck.
Now I know what steps I need to take to get him back on the road again.
THANKS.
Very knowledgeable video. I recently purchased a 2016 F350 diesel and I'm not sure how to force the manual regen, I assumed if it was full of DEF it was doing it automatically but I guess I was wrong. What do I click on the truck to get it to manual regeneration. When I click the button it doesn't seem to rev the engine like in your video. Does it take a few minutes to kick in? Also- should the exhaust icon always be lit up on the dash when driving or only when forcing a region?
Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
It seems to me to idle the diesel at elevated RPM is a larger waste of fuel and emission than a straight exhaust would amount to.
Damn government is always after a dollar somewhere, not always for the better.
+WildTurkey Rye I could not agree more. I actually wanted one of the Ford diesels but I am now leaning towards the 6.2 gas. Too much emissions crap on the newer diesels, even going back a few years.
I realize the 6.2 is not going to tow as well but it is still a very capable vehicle for my needs.
+davva360 Have you driven a 6.2 truck? They are turds. I was going to buy one until i drove it. Almost as bad as the V10 trucks...
Why do you think so?
Basically they are burning more fuel to "save" on emissions. If you want to save on emissions simply use a straight exhaust and burn overall less fuel.
It definitely uses more fuel, it also wears out your engine twice as fast as it should, not to mention the aggravating regeneration cycle that always occurs just before you pull into your driveway, or the never-ending purchases of exhaust fluid...
To get it to run clean, we need to burn ALOT more fuel. Sounds like the people who sell fuel get to set the standards how emissions are "cleaned up". Stranded in a 50-60 K truck for DPF faults would have me looking for an LBZ DMax in the used lot to buy.
Good video what software do you use it to do a static regen?
Unless I'm mistaken there was an option that could be purchased when ordering a 6.7 that would allow an owner to perform a manual regeneration on their own. (I believe that cab and chassis models have that capability as well.) I've got a 2014 Lariat that does not allow me to do the regen on my own. The question is this: can the truck be reflashed to allow for manual regen?
I would rather pay a ticket for having a deleted truck, vs being stranded.
Just know that the ticket is up to $10,000, but I hear you. I'm deleting that s*** off my truck ASAP
@@jamieofalltrades536 it depends on the state and county you live it
I'm planning on factory ordering a 2017 F250 with a 6.2 and 4.30 gears. All full-size diesels have this potential as shown in the video. I'll live with the extra revs as a trade off to trouble free 87 octane and no emission problems.
I'm with you on that. Just watch Bill Hewitt's powerstrokehelp channel to see the worst of it.
Magnum74 and you'll regret that decision! gas job? guess you don't tow
We need to take our country back. The government is out of control.
And we can get this software where? Sure would help out sitting on the side of the road in limp mode to be able to get it back to normal speed.
epa 07 heavy trucks used to regen at 1600 rpm with the fan on, also very loud.
What software is this that you use?
samething as when doing it for a duramax, but the weird thing is GM turns the fan on right from the get go... i find this cool to see how different things are with the new systems.
Holy Sh!t, if you rev'ed an older motor like that, you would be labeled crazy, now you can not avoid beating on your 6.7, no load engine. My 6.0 is looking better every day . . .
My 2000 7.3L PSD will swing at 3,000RPM all day long in my F550. On long recoveries (wrecker), I'll rev up to 2,800RPM to pull 100ft of cable in faster. It takes it no problem. And 294,000 miles on engine, trans, and chassis.
Maybe if they used a separate injector into the pipe instead of opening the valves in the pistons to pass the burning diesel it would be more reliable. Heck, you could turn it into an after burning pipe for thrust!
Exactly!
FordTechMakuloco the 7th/9th injector strategy is used in alot of the heavier equipment and vehicles. It is much better for the engine since you're not exposing the engine block, heads, egr cooler, and turbo to extremely high exhaust temps (blast furnace anyone?). Why ford and international decided to use the 7 and 8 injectors for dpf regeneration is beyond me.
Thank you
What software do I need to return to normal function from limp mode and to perform static regen myself?
Thanks again
This is why i am doing an egr and dpf delete when my new truck gets in.
prerunner2020 my F250 is loud as *FUCK* during the process
2019 ford f250 6.7l power stroke , i don’t know much about diesel, how would this truck do as a daily driver/short trip truck, (no deletes) no towing or hauling, 6 miles to work and 6 miles back home? a grocery getter. long trip once a year. i just want a big truck, i like the sound of the 6.7l power stroke diesel
1st I would be pretty pissed if an emissions sensor stuck me in Idle-only mode! Life is hard enough without Hal9000 tripping you down the stairs. 2nd Is the whole purpose just to heat up the DPF and burn this off like a self cleaning oven?
Yup same idea
Hi, I'm stuck in idle only mode with P20E8. I had injection pump and def injector replaced. First time I tried DPF regeneration I had to add fuel. Put 5 gallons in(20% level indicated). The next time went through whole process but it still stayed in idle mode. The next two times tried I would get "DPF regeneration timeout" and it ended the procedure. Is it not possible to run procedure in succession? Also is there a software program update for this system? 2014 F-350 6.7 only 23k miles. Thanks Dave
I will never buy another diesel vehicle with that EPA crap system installed. I learned my lesson with my P.O.S. powerjoke 6.4L.
Yes the 6.4l was the guinea pig for sure and what a pig they were most never got over 10MPG.
My 2017 F250 Lariat is in the shop now. It quit while towing my 5th. 60,000 km on it with no warning lights etc just started losing power and quit. I have only owned this for a few months and have never added any DPF fluid as it has never gone down. Any insight on what I may have been doing wrong?
I have a 7.3 PSD f350 and was looking to buy a new 6.7, but the EPA exhaust and emissions is way more unreliable than the older trucks ... talking to the dealership, I ask them about reliability and they evade that question with the 6.7.
I want to buy a new F350, but the 2 dealerships cannot tell me I could get 100,000 miles without a major repair. Sadly the EPA appears to be killing the diesel light truck market.
Nice truck, just not too excited about a 7,000 dollar exhaust repair or 5,000 dollar turbo repair.
Depending on where you live in the U.S. you can delete the aftertreatment and run a programmer to fool the computer that the emission stuff is on the truck. Here in Texas they do a safety inspection and no emission test. but they do a visual check to see if I still have the emission crap on it. but i ran a bypass tube around the dpf doc so they don't know if its been deleted. the 6.7 are good engines if you delete the crap. these new engine will not last long due to that all this emission crap is on it which pretty much kills the power and engine performance. like the Exhaust Gas Recirculation or (EGR) it cycles burned exhaust soot back into the intake to get reburned which cause injector failure and loss of power. I took my truck to Bill from powerstrokehelp.com and told him to dealerproof the crap out of it. which he rebuild my engine with better gaskets and parts which his work is lifetime warranty. I didn't do the dealership warranty which i just use the money from there and put it in the dealerproof setup.
I am not going to buy a new truck to spend another 5000 dollars on modification ... these automakers and govt can go F themselves and I refuse to buy anything their producing because of their sheer politically correct planned obsolesence corrupt ways!
yup
dude, invest $1000 and do the Tuner/DPF and EGR delete. check out dieselops.com
JohnGovette about 3k
How long does the manual Regen process take? Mine is prompting me to do it at idle, and it I can leave it for 10+min and it still says exhaust is 100% full. Dealer did a manual Regen and said "sometimes it just needs to be done". Got the truck back and it was fine until it needed a regen, now drive to clean never goes away and it asks me to do a parked Regen on my dash.
Geoff240ti
Mine as well. Won't go away and burning twice as much fuel
Geoff240ti what RPM did your truck go to? Just curious bc mine went to 1k from idle of 600 rpm?
My 2015 6.7 is stuck on engine idle, have straight pipe,no dpf, spoke to a diesel mechanic told me I need to get a whole new dpf Stock that way my truck gets running again. Can I bypass without new dpf?
very interesting. thank you
Been dealing with the same crap in class 8 rigs and you think when the pickups are loud during regen stand next to a semi doing it
chad harmon lol just thought of that I just started doing it to my F250 and it sounds like a fucking straight piped diesel locomotive is going down my ear Canal and p.s. my neighbors are ganna be pissed lol
I understand that the 6.4 Liter injected fuel into number 7&8 cylinders on the exhaust stroke to perform Regeneration of the DPF, with all the extra heat passing through the turbo. My question is does the 6.7 do the same thing or has Ford improved on the process. If so how does the 6.7 inject the fuel?
Raymond Louks it is still injected into the cylinder on the exhaust steoke, subjecting the engine block, heads, egr cooler, and turbo to essentially a blast furnace. The only reason that the 6.7 has been more reliable (if you can even call diesels made after 2007 reliable) is because the dpf doesn't regen as often thanks to the scr and def.
Thanks for the information.
You think that's loud, try running a restriction test on a Cummins ISX15 in a big truck.
Where can I get a computer than can do a manual DPF regen for a 2016 6.7L F-650?
I use an Edge CTS, always manuel regening because the truck wont do it itself 🤬
My 2015 6.7 with 68,000 will not do auto regens, I have to use my Edge CTS to manually do it. When I am traveling/driving it says thar it is cleaning but the idle never goes up and it never says complete. The worst part is, the original DPF completely plugged and needed to be replaced at 66,000 miles
i did all the steps are shown in the video but a wrong massege appered, beside that my car does not move on more than 10 km/h speed so i can't do the steps in the manual
Yours might no be this it could be in limp mode
what happens if it "falls" off?
I'm trying o be a power stroke technician and I am wondering if you have any advice for me to get there and what I would pretty much be doing as a technician any feed back would be helpful thank you.
I would get formal automotive training and then try to get into a dealer and from there they will send you to school for the new engines and we have tons of great web based classes for credits from Ford also. You would be doing everything diesel everyday old to new so be ready for it. Find a guy who knows his stuff there and latch onto him.
FordTechMakuloco thank you I am trying to push my parents to have me go to uti I have been working on gas trucks for years and the power strokes fascinate me thank you for your time also
Ford asset program is a great way to do it. Gets you a proper college degree and most all your ford certs
FORD is really screwing up the 6.7L equipped trucks. Are there any "work-arounds" for all this emission crap?
Fordtech. When I go into the "cleaning exhaust filter" flash message. I will hold a constant rpm and speed and the truck will start to get jumpy and some clanking from underneath feels like a slow death wobble but it's definitely engine related . If I increase rpm it goes away. What's going on??
Kevin Kidwell Never did this before? There are many message on the engine running rough and low power during cleaning as being normal.Some 2011-2016 F-Super Duty pickup truck vehicles equipped with a 6.7L diesel
engines may exhibit a runs rough condition only during the exhaust regeneration
process. The condition typically occurs when the vehicle is idled for prolonged
periods or frequently driven for short periods. This occurs because the drive
cycle is insufficient to allow the diesel particulate filter (DPF) regeneration
to complete.
FordTechMakuloco yes I recently started a new job where all I do is idle and short drives. And that is right when it started. What can I do? Manual regens? Just not idle ever? Delete everything involving emissions?
+FordTechMakuloco Yeah. I noticed my 6.4 runs terrible when I stay in the city for a week. I need to go back to highway miles. Also I plan on changing the oil more frequently. I do not think Ultra Low sulfur is even good enough to prevent oil contamination from regen
+Kevin Kidwell I am planning doing EGR, DPF and catalytic delete on mine, as well as flushing coolant and getting a coolant filter
Is that knocking noise because the dpf is clogged?
Legally you can't take the dpf off, but if you don't in time you'll cook the 7 & 8 cylinder. I have a 6.4l and with the cost of a rebuilt engine. $$$$$ you have to weigh your options.
+Frank Contreras Thats why you don't buy fords
+Johnny Rocket Well bud, all the new diesels have this shit and they all have their own problems. Thanks to our government, they rake in the money while we get stuck with this shit. Emissions control is just a big money scam and really has a miniscule effect on the environment. Less than 1% actually.
My 2012 cummins runs just fine and all the pollution controls are in my garage......
Well if you eliminate the emissions systems, 99% to 100% of your problems go away.
***** Not on a ford...
is this done free of charge to the people who purchased these from fOrD???
+therepairguy1 If you bring it in for this concern under warranty yes.
Have a f-350 dully 4 doors sometime when you turn into another road and get back on the fuel it don't go, double clutch the fuel pedal and it start back but you got a 5 to 10 second delay. Dealer said truck got to learn how I'd drive, right so need some help, 2011 6.7
No sounds like there is allot more going on there that is not normal at any rate I would try a different dealer sounds like the turbo is not spooling up and may be sticking.
FordTechMakuloco
Can a dealer service tech program the manual regen option into a truck that didn't come with it when purchased?
+fly3601 It all depends on the model year and what options are available in the programmable parameters. I remember this only be available on the high level clusters.
+FordTechMakuloco
Thank you, I will see when I take it in for remote start programming.
I just got a used 2015 6.7. Can this be done manually while driving?
What tools are you using
Just curious but are the new Ram 2500/3500's with the Cummins having this same problem? I just ordered a 2015 F350 Monday. I am wondering if I should have ordered the Ram instead. Paying $65k for a truck and having these problems or being stranded is just ridiculous.
Yes they are as these are the first years using def on the Rams. They will fix it soon I am sure. Likely a new sensor and updated calibration but engineering need time to figure out why it is failing and then go from there with a revised sensor.
get rid of the truck when it out of warranty, ive got a truck with melted down cylinders and siezed cam lifters on a 6.4
jeremyrbegay the 6.4l wanst made buy ford though... so you cant blame them....
me2456 i agree. be a good idea to have an extended warranty.
That is loud.......stand next to a class 8 truck (semi) during regeneration....now that is scary the first time you hear it.
denvernn ya sounds like a bunch of pissed off bumble bees lol
What about the people like me that like do our own mechanics stuff. How we can get the ford computer system for diagnostic?
FordTechMakuloco I have a 2012 F250 and want to do EGR, DPF, and DEF deletes and tune. I've read many blogs saying its the best thing you could do to our truck. What is your Professional opinion? Should I delete?
As long as you have the new Tune to go along with it I think it is a great idea should free up lots of power and mpg's too. It is illegal but it will sure help and the truck will be ok as that is all just emissions devices.
FordTechMakuloco I'm gonna get the H&S tuner to go along with the delete's!!
That's the one to get I hear.
El_Papayon58 how’s that working for you? No problems with the P0P0? Got the SCT mon and prog...
So, the few vehicles we have at work that don't take the DEF, basically store the pollutants and then during a regen., blow all of the latent pollution out of the pipe. how in the fuck does that make any sense? or did I get it wrong? And in the Fords we have at work, that means, when the engine isn't blown and being replaced, or the turbo isn't blown either. again. The Maxx force internationals we have at work, the parkd regeneration doesn't do a thing. i ran it through a cycle and when it was done, it said dpf needs a regeneration. what kind of stupid vehicle is this? It had to be opened up on the highway to clear it. i wasn't even close to the highway and the dpf was almost full. pain in the ass just to store up all of the pollutants to have them all blown out of the tailpipe at once. stupid government.
+bababooey7576 No the DPF collect the soot and particulate matter and then during regeneration they burn up at very high temps to turn them into harmless ash.
FordTechMakuloco Maybe the guy on the trucking show was incorrect. I thought I'd heard ages ago too, that it was just ash, this guy on the show was saying how it is such a scam, it is just latent pollution etc., I haven't totally delved into the make up of what actually comes out of the tailpipe. Just been learning how the systems work etc., and the many issues the engines are having as a result of these systems.
Sounds like you need to check out exactly what the catalytic converter does, the diesel particulate filter and what the selective catalyst reduction filter does
Patrick Pikulski I might have been fresh off watching some trucking show, where the host basically said something to that effect about latent pollution etc. the tail pipes aren't all sooty like before. I am aware of what the filters and such are for, it is just the frustration of the government's regulations and a new(ish) technology and working the bugs out. The emissions equipment seems to be the biggest source of headaches, atleast at work anyhow...and from what I've seen on here...it is a known thing at work with the maxx force trucks that the 'park'd regen' does absolutely nothing. It is always a highway deal
+bababooey7576 What I'm saying is do you know what the emissions equipment does on a chemistry level. The tier 4 emission standards are a pain in the ass and it helps if your in a state that doesn't scrutinize trucks with all emission equipment removed. Re-gen processes are soooo hard on the engine and equipment it's a sin you pay 60k for something that self destructs.
What Software was used to monitor the PDF filter
The Ford IDS
How do you manually perform this without a computer system like you have here?
I no its a old post but you can do forced regen on your cell phone all you do if go to play store down load forscan lite and have a Bluetooth ob2 scanner and thats is I just did mine today for the first time it took about 32 minutes
I have2016 6.7 with 78k miles
And never had it to regenerate or problems
What should I do if I have this problem can do it without the software
TheIrfanxz44 I had a reductant caution at 60k 2014 F-350. Didn’t take it in, had the kit ready in case...had it running for about 6 hrs and no more P207F or countdown.
Just Delete it.. More power, better mpg's, and no problems..
I have a f 250 2013 6.7
The message says drive to clean exhaust system
I drive my truck but never star cleaning system
What should I do
Caballero Dorado did you figure it out😎
I wish none chassis cab owners could manually regent their trucks
So not able to do it without a computer..... no good to me 😢
Or I would just get rid of the entire emission system after my warranty was up since I live in a state with no I spections
DIY Solution ?? 2015 6.7
how often should manual regeneration be done?
What program is he using on his computer
Ford IDS
moreless how much do this cost?
What year is this on?
can some explain to me why his car was shut down? I don't know much about diesels
the truck basically shut itself down, its programmed to because of the tier 4 emission laws in place because of the EPA
Driving on with a clogged exhaust doesn't sound too good either
Ok here is what you do if you live in a smog state. Put your dpf on for smog then weld flanges to the ends so you can quickly interchange it with a straight open pipe after you are done smogging . Problem solved. Also clean your egr every time you change you oil 🇺🇸
Maximilian Kern pics?
You couldn't give me one of those new trucks , way too much bullshit ...
One should be careful just exactly WHAT you buy!
+therepairguy1 Almost all the big diesels requiring dpf regeneration from any of the big 3 are having these same problems.
I can't believe that the money these trucks cost. That something better couldn't have been figure out to keep them from polluting.
Forgot to mention there are no codes present
As usual, FORD is letting the customer beta test their engineering. Just got a notice of a "Customer Satisfaction Program 13B17" on my Escape. I think I'll wait until I get the recall notice for the power steering failures and have both fixed at the same time.
It always takes three trips to the dealership to get anything fixed anyway. The first trip is to verify the complaint and order the part. The second trip is to have the part installed and the third trip is to have the previous repair fixed. Then they send the customer satisfaction survey so you can tell them what a wonderful job they did.
Sadly, Ford isn't the worst.
Yes but I am glad Ford finally came out with the extended warranty and new software instead of ignoring the problem.
That's true. Ford did do the right thing.
Yup thats why i waited this long to own one so i can skip and avoid all the brake down crap that would happen to the first people to own those trucks and now i know before it happens to me lol
This is why you delete.
can someone tell me is there way doing regen manually without tuner or computer plugged in thanks
sorry can't. they are not setup like semis where they have a manual regen button built in their dash.
Do any aftermarket tuners make programmers that can be used to bypass or override this bullshit setup?
yup, H&S tuning does it
Just limped home on my family vacation due to this BS. I’m getting rid of my truck and never buying another ford. Expensive POS. I’m so pissed off. Nightmare!
All the manufacturers have the same issues since this was introduced.
Na get a gas joby you'll be fine.
::hugs my 7.3:: i love my f350 would never get any of the 6.ers
How would you regen a 2015 Lariat does it happen automatically?
yes it happens automatically .. I have 2016 it does it for about 4 sec about 3 times per 1000k miles
But if its plugged up you still need to do a manual regen.
What software is that?
Ford IDS dealer scan tool
whats the rpms during a regen normally
The rpms vary during a manual regen they stay at the rpms shown but normally and active regen occurs mainly during highway speeds.
@@FordTechMakuloco Hi, This might be a little off-topic. I have a 2015 F350 6.7, 30,000 miles. The other day it started shaking slightly and ticking at the same time. I was driving at 30 miles per hour going up a slight incline. I read it is an issue with the 2015's but nobody can find a fix. Any ideas? Thanks!
I have a 2013 F-350 ... pretty much same as in this video. Nothing fancy on the dash panel. Aside from the communist emission BS, the dash panel won't even tell you the oil life percentage or def level. It will just say oil life OK, DEF level OK, etc. I swear to God the engineers who designed this setup were Nazis with control issues. Damnit I wanna know how much oil life is left before the annoying change oil now demand pops up. Or how much def is in the damn tank. Maybe it should just display all the commands in German or have a Hitler voice prompt scream at you over the speakers "Za oil is FINE!"
that a good one did not no that take
If you do a regen through a computer, it's a forced regen.
ok
What program is that
Ford IDS
FordTechMakuloco can anyone buy it or do you need to be dealer?
Anyone but it’s very expensive
To monitor the engine
Carter Grant Ford IDS scan tool
What a bunch of BS that exhaust emission crap is on the new trucks. I will stick by my 99 Dodge Cummins as long as possible.
keep your dodge as much as you can. keep it running in tip top shape.
Yes Sir. I plan to keep her a LONG time. She has 216K miles and runs like a champ. Fire right up.
This shit is so ridiculous they should just start making higher power gasoline engines. I would never buy one of these ridiculous diesels
You can thank former President Osama Bin Obama for these problems along with all his EPA Czars for these issues.
Do what Hillary did and delete that shit