Equipment corner - Selecting a 3d printer board for a beginner
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.พ. 2020
- This is a basic tutorial on what motherboard one would selected as a beginner to 3d printing.
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Hardware:
RAMPS 1.6
Arduino MEGA 2560 (8 bit)
MKS Gen L v1.0 (8 bit)
BigTreeTech SKR v1.3 (32 bit)
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amzn.to/33ibmnG (RAMPS 1.6)
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amzn.to/39I8zYK (MKS Gen L v1.0)
amzn.to/2LBKAAQ (SKR v1.3)
Software:
Marlin firmware:
www.marlinfw.org
VScode:
code.visualstudio.com/download
Arduino IDE:
www.arduino.cc/en/main/software - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I just wanted to say I love your TH-cam channel I found that very informative the big help
Thank you.
Keep up the good work. Really enjoy your videos
Thank you.
Thanks was a several years sins i used my old ramps 1.4. Was wondering what bigtech was all about during refresh on knowledge. This video accurately explained it for me. Thanks :)
Your welcome.
Thanks for the great video. I was looking around to find sich a concise video. Fortunately yours is the one. I needed to see what is point to move into 32 bit world. Thanks again.
You're welcome.
MKS Gen-L V2.0 is the best choice out of these for a 3D printer board. MKS Gen-L V2.0 adds the Trinamic jumpers for SPI and Uart communication compared to V1.0. Easy upgrade to 32bit with MKS Sgen-L, which has the same size and connector layout. The MKS boards have more exposed pins than the Bigtreetech, useful for level sensors like a BLtouch. Of course the Bigtreetech can run Marlin 1.x. All shown boards have the same CPU, only the pin layout will vary slightly
Super educational, thanks. What would you recommend today, for beginners. Building delta printer and looking for beginner friendly board and firmware combo. Non heated bed, end stop sensors, probe for leveling....
BTT SKR 1.4
Would you happen to have the pin diagram for the Geeetech Smartto V1.0 motherboard used in the A30T?
When I used SKR board for building 3D printer we also used Arduino Mega 2560?
Because When I build 3D printer using Arduino Mega 2560 Recommended used ramps 1.4 or what?
What about fly supper 8 board do u have any review for it ?
I subscribed to your channel because I wanted to get into 3d printing and was considering the v1.1 Pro (Double Z + 3 extruders = No brainer) and you did a great job of explaining a lot of details .
But there are other factors to 3d printing like motor drivers (UART vs SPI ... SPI wins ), nozzle size , filament size , extruder type , structural integrity of the printer frame that play a big role in printing size , time , and choosing the right printer frame.
If I get into printing I will definitely not buy a printer to gut it and change everything out but rather buy a frame and add the parts I want. A bit of work and figuring out but doable and costs around the same as what a similarly sized stock primitive Creality printer would cost new .
If I do get a frame put together I will build a cabinet with glass or polycarbonate sides around it to serve two purposes . Support the main frame and an inclosure to preserve heat and contain toxic fumes and create an air purifying system within .
By supporting the main frame I hope to attain faster print speeds .
Although Marlin boasts 6 extruders , colour mixing , and tool changing , I wonder why boards have not been developed with 6 extruders to attain endless colour mixing possibilities , and no one in the Marlin community was able to successfully demonstrate colour mixing although it was achievable on the 8 bit Rambo Motherboard .www.reprap.org/wiki/Repetier_Color_Mixing
Better hardware without advancement in software and support doesn't amount to much.
You can add a shield with up to four additional steppers. I avoid the topic only because making a video with that many steppers would confuse almost everyone in steps to follow and available pins to use on the board.
@@EdwardBraiman Glad I commented .
Whats a shield Edward ? Were can I read up on the subject ?
There was an article on RAMPS 1.4 that explains this on I think reprap wiki. I'll see if I can find the link.
www.reprap.org/wiki/Adding_more_extruders
It's kind overwhelming to do as a video tutorial.
Good topic.
Thanks, the first ten recordings had several more printer boards, but I paired it down to three for simplicity.
Do any of these work with the wanhao duplicator i3 mini?
Theoretically yes.
Bonjour seulement triste que vous ne faite plus la SKR Pro 1.1 ce qui pour moi n'est pas bon signe et qu'il y a des problèmes avec cette motherboard merci pour vous grand travaille
Je ferai plus de tutoriels sur SKR v1.1, cela prend juste plus de temps que la normale et le travail est plus occupé que la normale.
@@EdwardBraiman Bonjour merci alors je suis dans l’erreur il n'y a pas de problèmes particulier
Hi.
For 2022 is there a comparison for controller boards?
I could make one.
Love your video's and wanna support you. Do you have an affiliate link for skr v1.4 turbo with 2209's? If not ill just get the skr v1.4 turbo with your link.
I've not yet been able to get tmc2209 working yet and like to avoid posting a video until it works. So I'll post a working video when either Marlin firmware or bigtreetech provides better guidance. I would suggest holding off on tmc2209 stepper until then.
@@EdwardBraiman , what "better guidance" do you need? You just have to leave only one jumper and change 664,665,666,671 strings in Config.h
Ya nos naya.
@@user-nz3tm9ph5v So does the skr 1.4 turbo with tmc 2209 now work ?
It still has an open issue (bug) on Marlin firmware GitHub, so I suggest holding off until resolved. Spaceba.
What is the Best board for 3D printer Delta?
Depends on what functionality you want or have on your Delta.
Thanks
You're welcome.
like most people, I notice that people(at our forum in the Netherlands)
prefer to stay with the Arduino IDE software
! (then no better and faster board!)
I hope that there will be another board that can work with the Arduino IDE again, but can also work with all kinds of stepsticks and with jumpers,
PAY ATTENTION!!! stepsticks who are of course NOT integrated in the board!!!
and prefer not to have that mess with software please!?
Arduino IDE is good enough!!!
BUT! of course with faster chips! and that can also work great in the Arduino IDE!
friendly greetings from The Netherlands!
Rob
Well I did have to parse down the subject to what a beginner to 3d printers would want. It's raised a lot of opinions. Arduino Due is another option.
@@EdwardBraiman hello again Edward,
Of course, everyone has their own opinion,
but what I wrote is what I often read and understand between the lines.
and honestly said it would be nice if you had a board that could handle anything but with simple simple software.
best regards from Rotterdam!
Rob
I can empathize, I'm just trying to expand interest for others to get started in 3d printing. This playlist is designed more to help people navigate the large universe of choices. I've been asked to give an opinion on HW I used, so like you I would like to use more Arduino based options, but the HW seems to be migrating away from Arduino.
@@EdwardBraiman What you are doing is good Edward!
My writing is not an attack on you. (did that seem like that?)
(If that was the case, it is a mistake of mine and Google translation!)
Greetings from me to you and family again!
Rob
review MKS SGEN_L ?
I've made one tutorial and will be making more. Currently I've not made it public for viewing yet.
Now SKR Pico with Klipper best way 👍
Hi Ed, thanks for the videos. IMHO, and according to my FabLab experience and common 3D printers repairs, none of the shown boards are suitable for newbies. Let's explain why. First, any board with pluggable stepper drivers represents a useless complexity for the newcomer : driver selection, orientation, jumpers setup, vref current calculation (depending sometimes of resistors value), vref setup depending of drivers (CW, CCW), and do on. The newbie needs integrated drivers boards, like SKR mini, Duet Maestro, and so on. Second, and for the same reason, microcontrollers with shields are outdated. Actually the RAMPS is outdated, whatever its version, and to is overpriced. It's connectors are not secured and reversible which is a possible issue for the beginner. Some connectors are surrounded by other components in the middle of the board and it's definitely not easy to select the right pins and manage wires. On the other hand, a shield contributes to the microcontroller overheat. Modern boards have the connectors comprehensively labeled and distributed all around the board, with good ventilation and wire management as perks. I used a lot RAMPS shields on early Reprap printers, but all this belongs to the 3D printing museum. It can't be decently recommended nowadays, except for nostalgia's. It's a no sense for newcomers.
Well as a beginner I made several of these mistakes, thus the tutorials. As a beginner I might be a little confused later on if I purchased equipment and then found out I was unable to upgrade steppers. My thought process is the beginner wishing to learn, otherwise we would advise them to buy a printers full built.
@@EdwardBraiman I understand your point. You suppose the newcomer may need to upgrade steppers. It may be true for some people, especially if they get the wrong card/drivers. Actually, an all in one 32 bits board like the SKR mini cost less than 4*DRV8825 and contains all what you could expect, including the ability to use external drivers of any kind. What I note from our FabLab members, is only experts with custom applications need special drivers. We do not recommend/use shields or plug in drivers anymore. Whatever the firmware. We note a better understanding from people, especially childs, and less issues or hardware crashes.
The SKR mini is useful, but remember it has less pins and functionality than a SKR 1.3.
@@EdwardBraiman Bonjour tout à fait exacte
@@EdwardBraiman Yep, that's my point: the mini is much simple. The SKR (1.4 actually) have advanced features for advanced users ;)
point !! not dot
Thanks.
Beginner? To what? 3d printing or electronics? What did we learn? What is a ramp? Which is best for beginners? This is why people pull their hair out trying to troubleshoot printers. You have to make 3d printers/electronics your life in order to keep one printing well. Just venting my frustration.
Tell me about it. As a 23 year Professional IT Admin it's been way more than I was anticipating. I recently accidentally left my Octoprint server left on when clipping a wire to my DIY UBL Probe and fried my RAMPS 1.4, Arduino and LCD screen! Now I'm upgrading to the RAMPS 1.6+ and let's hope I don't make that mistake again. Hoping my TMC2208 Stepper Drivers are still good. Was a semi-expensive small mistake on my part. I was pissed when I realized what had happened! Puff the magic smoke everywhere!
If it makes you feel better the reason I started making tutorials was because the instructions online we're terrible and kept having issues like frying a RAMPS/Arduino.
You actually don’t. You just have to learn how to use google and read instructions on a paper. It’s the same in every hobby.
"allegedly" doesn't mean what you think it means.
Thanks.
Great video, please learn to pronounce Arduino X
Amazing, this guy is probably testing his speech synthesizer and publishing a youtube video at the same time. But really unbearable form of speech.
Thanks.
@@EdwardBraiman Sorry, if you are really not testing a speech synthesizer or using one, probably you want that all of your speech is accurately transcribed and consequently translated by youtube but it turns an informative video to boring one.