I didn’t talk much about Tecna in this video given I was so focused on what was kept in Fate. However, her exclusion is important to talk about, especially given how many fans interpreted her as an autistic-coded character, and even her as a feminine but geeky person whose interest in technology was what made her strong. As someone who isn’t autistic, I don’t feel qualified to talk about Tecna’s autistic coding in depth, but it’s something important that I wanted to bring awareness to, and will make sure to mention in future Winx Club content.
I doubt that's the case, she just wasn't expressing her emotions, her home world is all about perfection, maximum efficiency, but she very quickly started to open up and show a lot of emotion. But they didn't involve any magically fused technology iirc. All they did was use phones to mention stuff like Instagram, what will Tecna do in this world, fix bloom's laptop? I think they just tried to mix together earth and "the other world" as much as possible and just forget about the flying jets, magical phones, etc and make it as simple as it gets thus no longer needing such fairy i guess.
As an autistic person, I can say that seeing Tecna coded as such is more than valid. However, the more I think about it, the more it seems like a relief that she wasn't included in Fate's first season. With only six episodes, and all the drama and hostility going on, it would have likely been way too much for someone on the spectrum to handle. Especially since no other characters seemed qualified to act as that kind of support. And that's assuming the writers could handle character so complex while simultaneously building and establishing everything and everyone else. With Bloom and the others officially being friends now and having each other's backs, it seems more doable. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
@Justin MiawKanyan Me too I grew up with the 4 kids version of Winx Club when I watched it when I was younger it's the version that introduced me to the series.
I was super upset with what they did to Bloom and her parents. growing up as someone who was adopted I always felt like shows always have bad adoptive/foster parent and child relationships. I always loved og winx for bloom and her parents relationships because it was actually supportive and loving. The abusive adoptive parent(s) is a route so many forms of media go down and I’ve always hated it.
I loved the OG Winx because they also showed that even when you are adopted, you can still love both you're adoptive parents AND you're real parents. It's not one or the other, it's a healthy relationship where both pairs of parents can love their child and talk to each other.
Now this I could get behind on! Or Moon Stella is Sun Stella's twin sister disguised as her good twin and entered the school. Now that she is so deep in the lie with everyone and opened up to them, she doesn't want to admit who she really is until next season Sun Stella, who lives with their father, enters the academy causing confusion.
She never was and frankly i dont really like Roxy. She is a slight mary sue tbh but i wouldnt mind if she was apart of the winx or got enchantix or something. Tbh Roxy is overrated i dont see what isnsooo godly about her but still 😂😂
aisha becoming a mammie-type character cuts deep, especially considering that one of her major arcs in the cartoon was that *she* was the one that had to learn to accept friends and cope with her loneliness. black girls are often expected to always be strong and support others no matter the cost by society so aisha's fleshed out storyline was a breath of fresh air.
Why is everything a "mammie-type"? Being supportive are not the same thing. Like what they did to Aisha isn't ok but that doesn't make it the same thing.
@@Arella17 yes and? I said it was bad but that doesn't mean it fits that specific problematic stereotype. I mean it's not 'good' or 'mammie' what a disgusting and toxic way of thinking, unless you can actually show it is that stereotype.
@@nahte123456 I think what they’re getting at with the "mammie" argument is that Aisha does nothing in the show but essentially dote on Bloom. Trying to be her friend while Bloom continues to be insufferable, and she has nothing going for her beyond that. Even the one instance where she _does_ go against Bloom (telling the teachers that Bloom is trying to free Rosalind, a _war criminal_ from what they all know), she gets antagonized as if she's doing the wrong thing in that situation. She isn't an exact mammie, more like the supportive token black friend who's there only to prop up the main white lead and have the cast look diverse so casting can't be called racist. It's still a complete and utter downgrade from OG Aisha though.
@@tama3162 and that's fair but mixing criticism only weakens arguments. By making a false claim you make the actual arguments weaker. It's far easier to say this comment is racist for considering any sort of supportive black woman a "mammie" and avoid the actual problems then it would be for arguing that Aisha isn't an effective character and why she's problematic.
They also wanted Bloom to be a fish out of the water yet for some reason everyone in the otherworld has instagram and know all about earth pop references. Just... why?
Stella and another character I don't remember referenced America multiple times.... It truly does feel like they're just in "Magical Britain". No way that this is a different realm
i’m so miffed they didn’t just create an otherworld equivalent of instagram and pop culture stuff instead. that’s the kind of stuff that makes these types of fantasy stories fun imho and would’ve added a lot world building and characterization wise (for bloom at least)
I hated how self-serving and bratty Bloom was. Why on earth would we want to be on her side? Plus she was so passive aggressive most of the time🤣 Stop with the angsty I'm NoT LIkE OthER GiRlS and make her sweet but with conflict and a temper. Writers- it IS possible to make someone multi dimensional. Not 'I'm an angsty teen and this is my whole personality.
Bloom is a complicated character not in a sense. Where she multi dimensional, but as in she either both good and bad in the cartoon series because while she does have her badass moments. But I always feel like her personality doesn't have much layers. People accuse Bloom for being a mary sue but I kinda have to disagree because in the cartoon Bloom has her moments where she is vulnerable and she learn from her mistakes and she actually work together with the other girls in order to defeat the bad guys. However, Bloom personality has only two traits, Bloom is a sweetheart but gets angry easily that it.
@@littlemurdermachine6646 Yeah, I don't think that Bloom is a Mary Sue either. The world doesn't exactly bend to her will so she's more of a poorly written character
i have a theory: what if flora (terra's cousin) was the flora in the original show? like flora got accepted into the animated alfea (the good one) and studies there with the characters we know and love, while terra failed the entrance exam and got sent to shitty alfea where she meets riverdale characters
Since we are officially getting a season 2 here’s what I’m hoping for: -some actual fashion moments -Aisha getting an actual plot for herself -the appearance of Hispanic flora -maybe a fully Asian actress cast as Tecna since nothing can be done about Musa now. (Read comments below for discussion on if this would be okay or not. Representation should never be an afterthought or a corrected mistake. If Tecna appears in the next season it would be nice to see her character given a diverse casting in some way.)
If they make Tecna Asian, I have mixed feelings about it (Chinese Canadian here) because the "Asian genius" is a stereotype and also something pushed on some Asian youth growing up (like me), leading to a lot of anxiety over things in our life.
If fairies in this series "evolve", then please, PLEASE make that an excuse to bring in Tecna. A new type of magic for something that previously didn't exist. A chance for a new storyline, an outcast to her own kind, and can use unprecedented abilities to outwit and undermine the antagonists.....Bah, who am I kidding? These writers aren't that creative.
Sorry that would require a character that is not called Bloom to have any sort of character depth so its not going to happen x (its a really cool idea tho maybe we should just write the show ourselves)
Stella isn't my favorite character but her portrayal in this probably hurt the most (of all the represented characters) besides Aisha...which is probably a tie.
As someone who grew up with Winx Club I couldn't stop laughing at this show, it was just hilarious to me. Diaspro basically became Stella for some reason, The Trix were turned into 1 person aka Beatrix, not a bad idea , kind of a decent villain / character IMO compared to everyone else the others were so basic and bland. The specialists are so watered down it's actually kinda sad from the chest kitchen knives to them being slaughtered left right & center and the awful costumes (not only theirs). I just don't get why everything has to get Riverdale'd. Also, I really miss Techna and all the technology in general. At least they almost got Riven right but he too has the Riverdale fever. But forreal if OG Stella saw the costume's design she would blind herself immediately.
@@Hi-ky2wd yea i forgot all the nasty remarks by him but overall at least he's not as boring as the rest that were copy pasted from every generic team drama ever
@@no-ku6jp Yess Oml they are my fave too and it’s so sad 😭 Although I guess we should be grateful that neither the characters nor the ship exist here so they can't be ruined.
29:05 Crazy thing is, someone actually made an animated version of LA Bloom's transformation, and it looks great. You can actually tell that her wings are wings and not flaming farts that vaguely look like wings.
I hope that this show doesn’t get a second season. We don’t need anymore of these teen shows like Riverdale that appear to be progressive but are actually regressive.
It did sadly that quick without even considering of renewing Julie and the phantoms and other good shows so do what some of the rest of us are doing ignore it and forget it existence.
@@zeusrulez Makes sense. People love train wrecks. Why do you think shows like Keeping Up with the Kardashians or Housewives franchise keeps on going? People love messes XD
I just wish people could understand that teens is not all about edginess, drugs and sex.I get it that there are teens who do those things but the tropes are so overused and it's tiring to see them again and again Honestly the idea of making a Winx live action is not bad and could be done really well if they tried,such a wasted opportunity to bring 2000's fashion back.They don't have to make them wear bras and shorts but they could have tried to keep the original color pattern,it hurts looking at Bloom wearing all red because "FiRe fAiRyyy!1!1!" Or Aisha wearing all blue cuz "WOtAh FaeRieee" Don't get me started with the whitewashing... And the aesthetic Even tho I like dark academia/royalcore aesthetic,it's something that does not fit Winx.When I think of Winx I think of: bright colours,fashion, glitter, friendship,futurism I don't think of stuff that come out from Harry Potter or something like that.Adding futurism in the og Winx was a good idea and created a unique aesthetic,I really hoped that they would add more futuristic elements in there other than instagram or phones. It's probably the reason why they didn't add Techna? Anyways the only good thing I liked about this is that guys can be fairies too and girls can be specialists too,other than that the series itself is unoriginal and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who loved the og Winx Club.If you know someone who likes Riverdale,Teen Wolf, Vampire Diaries then recommend them this
I am also sick of picturing LGBT people as some outcast and sexuality as a binary good and bad option. Seriously, is it too much to ask to be treated as a Person?! What's wrong with these writers?!
Doesn't seem like They are trying to but to atleast riven seems redeemable but I see your point! The 3 bisexual characters are literally the main villains 😒
@@rewriter3981 It has become a trope that if the character is gay, he is either a cliché, a twisted villain, or he dies when he has a romantic love interest. I can't remember a Single story where the character was gay and it wasn't really relevant, because they wrote a character first.
...what can you expect from the same showrunners of TVD (the same show that was unabashedly pro-Confederate and super racist to Bonnie and her actress)
I was more excited for this than the actual show. This is honestly alright on its own but you can tell that this show will only be popular because of where it came from. Which means that this is just riverdale: winx edition
@@user-ut7kx2jw3j Wait seriously? Man the one thing I hate most about riverdale is the fact that they erased Jughead’s asexuality and made him get into sexual relationship when that wasn’t his character in the slightest in the original series
@@herossoup6027 oh trust me I know. I'm asexual myself and it makes my blood boil. ig if the showrunner can't sexualize an identity it's useless to him
Oh, and please can we just roast the script, the lines given in this show are just terrible, I would bet nobody did a single rewrite after a Middle aged white man faking to be "forward" pretended to write and edgy teenager story.
@@spacesoda5266 Thats why for me dialogue is not that important for me in story. When it comes to that people will criticize dialogue based off their own perceptions of reality. Us humans vary in taste as well so stories are subjective anyways. Story and characters are more important to me
I think the original winx club Musa couldve been an air fairy. Music and sound are made by turbulence of air after all? It could be a very cool power, so strong that it could blow people's minds. Not to mention, it would perfectly fit the canon. What a shame they didnt use the opportunity
I like that idea and maybe because she’s air there’s different levels or branches like sub elements in Avatar, that could eventually grow into her music/sound magic, or go in a direction like the Netflix series and the air powers could turn to empathy (I’m not sure how that’d work but it’s a thought)
Considering they kind of look like the Tarman from Return of the Living Dead sans “tar”, that’s an apt description. Then again, the Tarman looked cool.
I have so many complaints, like too many. ¬It bugs me that Musa's powers are completely different because there were so many episodes/scenes in the original that showcased how Music is everything to her. ¬Stella is just honestly annoying, and when she got taken out of the school the girls cared for her but why?? She treated them horribly- she has this love triangle with Sky- and it just- don't let me get into this. ¬Aisha was just confusing,, no actual plot for her and she got done reallyyyyy dirty. ¬Flora or well Terra she.. She was just a big mess??? For me at least- the Flora we know has a completely different personality. I guess tho that the most emotions I've felt was with Terra so that's that. ¬Uhhh where is TeCHnA? ¬Bloom; she's annoying as hell. She acts like a little brat and complains about everything even when CLEARLY there were people around trying to help stear her head in the right direction- ¬Bruh they took out the Trix, that's a crime! ¬Drugs, drugs, and more drugs. Do people really think teenagers are all about drugs??? ¬The school isn't even pink. It looks like a PRISON. ¬Teachers who?? We only know the Headmistress. ¬Sky was just weird for me although decent. In conclusion: Trash. Throw it away.
@@spacesoda5266 Uhh no my reasonings are literally all because this show is based off of the original, when they completely strayed off of it. And those are a list of the things of what they twisted-
@@FlameSnowFire it’s a adaption did you most Disney movies twist the OG stories they can change them with out fate winx and rainbow would not survive much longer
@@spacesoda5266 And so? Even as a stand alone or as an original it's still so bad,, the writing is awful- the characters interactions were just a mess as well because how do they care for Stella when she got taken away from the school but at the same time she didn't treat them as friends?- and not to mention the fact that even if it's an adaptation it can't be compared to Disney movies,, Disney movies are purposely made to make stories that are safe and sweet and directed for children or to the young kids. While with Fate Winx Saga it's directed to us teenagers and all the show had was stupid characters with drugs and sexual tension- I'm pretty sure us Teenagers don't only want to watch that.
After rewatching the original series upon forcing myself to finish Fate, I appreciated how the original series treated its diversity. All of the girls were different in some unique way, and in regards to skin colour, it was just something they were. The other characters didn't care that Aisha had dark skin or that Musa was the Earth equivalent of east Asian. Sure, Bloom and Stella looked white (I say that because they're fairies not operating by Earth definitions of race), but even they were pretty different and distinguishable. And still, their skin colour didn't make them any more or less important than the others. I suppose what I found most frustrating about Fate (apart from how dirty they did the story and characters) is how they make diversity feel like this forced thing that they still did wrong. Is there an overweight character? Make sure to make the audience know she's fat by having people insult her. A person is gay? Make sure every conversation is about their gay crush that's probably straight and homophobic to add tension. Introverted or outcast character? Well, they must be constantly awkward and unpleasant in some way, but they'll learn to like their faults and probably won't learn from them because those faults make them unique. And if they do learn from their faults, make sure it's super dramatic and is basically the opposite of when you first meet them, because that's how characters grow. Characters are all different when they first meet? Make them standoffish, so that when they're friends, it's a bigger contrast to show how they've grown. God forbid people just like each other and learn more about them later on. And god forbid people just being themselves without having a tragic backstory behind every aspect of their appearance.
Whether you like Riven or not, I think we can come to an agreement that this version of Riven is worse. It's an odd phenomenon when a character in a cartoon feels more like a person than the life action counterpart.
It has nothing to do with Winx, but as a bisexual who has her sexuality invalidated almost every day for different reasons (I'm so f tired) I would like to say Thank you
@@QueenOfFandoms that too as someone who’s on both the ace and aro spec I’m so sick of being forgotten or being told that asexuality and all the identity’s like it aren’t apart of the LGBTQ community. I’m really tired of so many people being biphobic and aphobic it’s just so annoying
So, uh, hi from a female bisexual that has preferences towards men and people think she's hetero or doesn't take her seriously bc apparently if she's bi she can only have crushes on women, when that's not the definition at all. (No, not saying things are like that, is just that I told a friend I was bi few days ago -since she's also bi and has had several girlfriends before- and she looked at me weird since I couldn't tell her "well, there's this girl I like" bc at the moment there isn't, even tho I *know* I'm attracted to men and women, and I'm still salty bc she looked at me funny like if I was confused or some shit) Sorry for the rant, i don't really have anyone to tell this xD
You know they could've done a sub-plot about Stella, Bloom, and Sky well if they did something like Stella and Sky are arranged to be married since they were the Princess of Solaria and the Prince of Eraklyon respectively and while on the surface they seem like the perfect couple, they actually don't have any feelings for each other besides friendship and in fact, Stella has feelings for Brandon, Sky's best friend who is common-born meaning they can't be together in public despite Sky being supportive of them. Enter Bloom who develops feelings for Sky which creates a lot of guilt for her since Stella is her best friend and she doesn't know that Stella and Sky don't actually have a real relationship until the middle of the season where Stella realizes Sky has fallen for Bloom and vice-versa and tells Bloom that if she really likes him then she should go for it.
The actress who plays terra should’ve played Techna because of her talkative attitude and awkwardness would have worked perfectly and that would’ve helped with Techna’s autism coding in the original series
@@KhaosAdmiral not to mention a mind powers being so intrusive could help with an autistic person having a hard time understanding how people work not just cuz they are nosy but because they don’t understand social cues 🤷🏾♂️
I was thinking the same thing not too long ago. And I haven't seen it anywhere that Tecna is Autism coded. I think it would be cool but I haven't see it officially confirmed anywhere.
Talking about stella: I saw a clip where stella was commenting on someone’s outfit and I'm just like "girl look at what YOU'RE wearing omg" the styling is so frustrating to me.
And why they've changed the characters colours/colour pallet to boring monochrome outfits that symbolize there elements instead of complementing there appearance and their personality.
The issues with Aisha's writing is sadly not too surprising given one of the people on this show worked on The Vampire Diaries and that series was criticized for similar problems with Bonnie.
Stella’s character here...I guess could have been an enjoyable take on the character and added some cool depth but...I’d still take friendly supportive Stella who is allowed to be feminine while not villainised over Fate Stella any day.
Definitely agree there but then, imo, it just made all of the sex stuff that she talked about and the "because you're a guy and I'm hot" line seem REALLY awkward for me.
After the traumatic experience that was Nickelodeon's Winx club I expected them to use any opportunity to restore the show to the quality of the first 4 seasons. I guess I was wrong
Apparently people have found in original casting notes as well, there was an intended character called Jade who very oddly sounded like Aisha's role in Fate, implying they were gonna replace Aisha as well.
Honestly hated how they made Vanessa wicked/awful just to justify Bloom almost killing her... I'm planning on re-writing it, because I want to exclude some unnecessary stuff like that pointless love triangle-
Please do Re-write and also one suggestion: Make Beatrix into original The trio of Trix and also INCLUDE TECNA and I don't mind if her power is basic electric power because at least electric has a connection with technology
😆😆😆 well... I should tell y'all what I will include: What I will include; - Musa is now a sound fairy; it's more versatile and ofc she's Asian - Sky and Stella are now childhood friends and Stella is our bi icon - Tecna and Roxy is present; they're now specialists (I have a surprise for Tecna 😏😉) - Bloom is not some weird feminist icon - Terra is now a secondary character (she's confident about her weight this time around) with Flora being back in the Winx suite - Aisha has an arc - There are more teachers and there are security guards - Riven is more of a troublemaker than a bAdBoY, and he and Beatrix are more friends than lovers? (they're lovers right?) - Sky's not generic, who claims to be nice but when Stella really needed him and yeeted her to the side for Bloom who him only met for a few days- - Dane... I like the concept of him wanting to make friends but we know little to no reason why he wants to have friends, not that he switched schools alot... bullied... nothing... I'm giving him a new storyline- - Sam is not in this version (I saw no point in his character) That's all I have for now you can tell me what else you want to see (:
Im just confused about one thing regarding Beatrix. She wants revenge against the people who burned her town and killed her family, and then she is aligned with and proceeds to work for those exact same people. Just... what?
If I'm correct, Rosalind manipulated Beatrix into thinking that Farah and Terra's father intended to destroy Aster Dell while Rosalind tried to stop them, although the reality is pretty much the opposite. It's not that Beatrix works with the ones who killed her family, but with the ones who tried to save her family (in her eyes) Edit: this also can cover the reason why Rosalind got sealed. Rosalind said it was because she knows the truth and Farah tries to silence her, while in reality it's because Rosalind is a war criminal and Farah had to lock her up.
So, Stella's mom is a powered crazed leader that views her child - who has a perfect balance between two very different powers - as a potential asset and puts her through immense training at a young age in order to achieve a certain? One that causes an accident where someone's eyes are damaged and the child becomes cold and distant to their classmates before befriending the main character and changing for the better? *Oh my god, they made a white, genderbent Todoroki.*
The difference is that Endeavor actually had a motivation that made sense. Jealousy. It also makes sense that one of his sons became a villain. But honestly, I wish they showed Stella getting over her trauma with help of her friends (kinda like how Todoroki did)
Applebaum is confirmed to be a Jewish actress, for as much as that means, but judging by her last name, it does imply that she falls within a white ethnic background.
I love how this didn’t arrive until after they released that it was renewed for season 2 And it’s pretty much revealed that Flora will be in this new season
@@KendallM0219 A reveal video for season 2 was released on Netflix’s channel and apparently Brian Young said something about how we don’t know who might arrive in Alfea in this new season
Wow so Netflix can’t renew actually good shows with deeper meanings/entertaining like the society, Anne with an e, Julie and the phantoms, grand army glow, teenage bounty hunters and many good shit etc but renew this unoriginal whitewashed show....
There's a HUGE difference between making necessary changes to adapt to a different medium and then completely changing core aspects of a show to the point where the original appeal was lost and you would think it's an entirely separate thing to what it was adapting if it didn't have the title in the name. That's the problem with Fate Winx Club Saga for me. What's more,is that the 'changes' made are not all that different from what other darker and edgier reboots(Riverdale,Sabrina,etc.) are doing so it's not even interesting in that department either. It's basically just the 'let's take something that was bright and colorful and then make it muted,dull,and have blood/gore as a sign that this is more mature when it really isn't!' route. How is that beneficial for improving the base story? For me,I can't see how it does,because the characters in the show are uninteresting assholes and the plot itself doesn't make any sense or affect the characters in significant way.The changes made are surface level. They do try to make it out as if the events of the first season have made them come together as close friends,but that attempt falls flat. Why? Because in all of the previous episodes,we never see the girls grow as characters individually, come to some sort of understanding with each other,and overall develop over time to treat each other better. What I wanted was for the series to take what was already there and expand on it while adding stuff that made sense to Winx Club lore wise to make it unique. That's what PSGM(the live action SM series) did. It took some of the more unexplored or darker implications in the 90's anime/manga and turns it into brand new stories that changes how you look at the original work while still having the appeal of the original story. It's not to say the original Winx didn't have mature elements to it or NEVER had darker or mature elements. Sure,it was never focused on too much,but to say they weren't there at all would be disingenuous. Essentially,WC was a coming of age story dealing the challenges the characters faced in their years at Alfea and while it's nothing original,it was decently done. At least that's I would say for the first 4 seasons+SotLK movie. If the directors and writers had actually bothered to research the series,they probably could've caught this stuff and take what was already there and just expand on it,while adding in new lore that still makes sense for WC. I can't say what others wanted out of Fate,but PGSM is what I wanted out of it. Changing some stuff to keep a work unique is one thing,but changing it to the point where I have to wonder 'why did you bother keeping Winx Club in the title and not sell this as it's own unique IP?' is another. And Fate falls straight in the latter camp for me.
In concept,the idea of them not starting off as friends,maybe even disliking each other a bit is not a bad one.That's actually a good example of expanding on the source material a bit. But the execution was terrible. They made all of the main characters too assholish for me to sympathize with them.(sans Aisha) At the end,the writing expects you buy that the external plot has made the characters become close friends,but it fails. Because there was no work done to develop the characters and their friendship before now. Up to the final episode, all of the girls treated each other like shit. So it's not believable to me that ANY of the girls(except maybe Aisha) would care about Bloom to the point where they'd run to her rescue and risk their lives for her. And that's a failure on the writers part,among others. Even when you take the show on it's own,it still isn't that great and it didn't have Winx Club brand attached,it wouldn't have done well. Let's talk about Stella in this show. She's basically every stereotypical mean girl cliché rolled up into one character. Sure,they try to give her a sob story to make her behavior understandable, but it doesn't excuse the fact that on screen she always acts like an asshole towards others. She never has moments where she shows there's a nicer side to her that isn't forced. As an add on to the show doing an abysmal job of developing the friendship between the girls,Stella's 180 heel face turn pissed me off the most. Stella's all like, 'Yes! Please forgive me! I suddenly now feel regretful about the shit I've pulled, despite not showing any signs of this earlier.' And the girls are like 'Okay!' and just decided to be her friend with no questions or hesitation. WHY? Up to this point,Stella's done nothing for them and has acted like a bully towards them for probably months. Stella being accepted by the others feels totally unearned on her part because we never see her grow or develop to show remorse for her actions or realize how the others dislike her for it. We don't see her trying to change to be a better person. We don't see her apologize to her others for her shitty behavior or try to make up for it. If the show had any kind of half-decent writing,the believable response would've been for the others to tell her to fuck off.
The new seasons are childish as hell, and this live action is over the top cringe teen drama. So disappointing. I just want the same magic the first 3 seasons of the 4kids dub gave me years ago.
Heck- After s6 everything is just even more ridiculous more ridiculous than s5-6 even tho they were good. S7-8 are sooo fking bad like i cant even . On winx newsflash they are turning winx to be even MORE childish with another artstyle change and its pop pixie 2.0 . Tbh i think winx should come to a close.
@@3rebella i would say that everything past season 5 is just- no. Winx shouldvve ended after it because Bloom was finally with her sister again and stuff.
@@villain__9 Yeah, I thought it would’ve ended at season 4. I was wrong but I liked season 5. Then I thought that was the end and nope. I didn’t really like season 6-7 all that much. I watched season 8’s first two episode and I didn’t like it. The designs bother me way too much since they look like children when they’re supposed to be adults. Like why do that? Just why? I don’t understand.
Note: The name Beatrix actually originates from the season 2 ending of winx club when the trix merged for a short time. They called themselves *BEATRIX* So if you think about it, that’s pretty much what Fate did.
They need to place Timmy and Techna in there right now🙄they could fix some ancient ship with modern technology! This easily creates more episodes in different dimensions especially a couple of episodes in Andros, Aisha’s home where they properly display black richness and her background 👍🏾
I think it's hilarious how Bloom's mom was getting angry BECAUSE HER DAUGHTER DOESN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND WOULD RATHER STAY HOME!! Meanwhile my mom gets super happy at the fact that I'm not as extroverted as my older siblings😂
I honestly don't think the headmistress is dead. Didn't they bury her under or by a tree in the show? I think we are going to get the Miss Faragonda tree plot from the OG show. But then again, I'm not gonna have high expectations
I have been waiting for this, bless you Thomas Also this got renewed for a second season so let's hope they do things like fixing all the whitewashing that went on. Also, Bloom is unlikable for me because of how deliberate that "accidental" fire looked. It was a line of fire that made a 90 degree left turn towards her parents' room while she's like sitting on her bed and like intently staring into space. Bloom also describes the fire as something she let burn, so again, sounds really deliberate. Should have been a blink and everything on fire moment, not a "sitting on my bed, oh look a fire line sprang from in front of me, whoops, looks like the line is turning left, oh no I guess the the fire line actually means that everyone in my house is in danger".
I have said this multiple times and I will keep saying it, I feel like had this been branded as a darker live-action adaptation of WITCH, I think it would have been a little more tolerable, not saying it would necessarily be good, but tolerable.
the reason I liked stella is because even though she was a "mean girl" she wasn't mean. She was opinionated and spoke her mind but she would never truly hurt anyone. GIRL LOVE type vibe.
Aside from the various flaws pointed out in how characters interact and lack development, I'm just sad I didn't see the Trix. They were literally my childhood icons and one of the few reasons I loved OG Winx in the first place.
The girl that plays Bloom is perfect casting tbh, she was just given nothing to work with. Honestly I think most of the actors are good, but the scripts and direction just seemed so off
Squire Brandon is Sky's squire and bodyguard, a great swordsman, and his best friend. He is also Stella's fiancée. In Season 1, he introduced himself as "Prince Sky" but his lie is later admitted, and continued to go by his real name, Brandon She and her boyfriend, Riven, have a rocky and difficult but passionate relationship. Musa is a skilled singer and musician. Music is one of the founding members of the Winx Club, being the fifth Winx girl introduced after Bloom, Stella, Flora and Tecna, and is an alumna of the Alfea College for Fairies.
Sucks that there are no Witches in this universe. I miss my goth girls. Doesn’t help that the specialist are discount ninjas, and the world practically takes place in Artemis Fowl.
Im sorry... but the remarks beneath in the title cards of the character breakdown 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 "Ayo Trix this u?" Nah bruh "We don't claim her" "Yeah ice that bitch" I'm done😭😭😭😭
I really thought they were going to have the flames burn off some of bloom's clothes in the "transformation", sort of like a partial Daenerys to end up with an approximation of her skimpy fairy outfit. But no, they couldn't even do that.
My perception is that they wanted for Bloom to feel like a complete outcast, when she wasn't in the original (even when she thought she was from earth).
@@ninaloveray yeah lol these comments are so confusing to me. I don't understand why it's so strange that the characters aren't American... Like non Americans exist lol.
@@ninaloveray maybe the confusion comes from the show originally being Italian? either that or ppl are sick of magic/fantasy shows being made in the uk/set in europe in general lol
@@mayfia People are getting sick of every Fantasy movie always having to be British, especially when the source material had literally nothing to do with Britain anyway
23:25 I’m a cis straight person with lbgtq+ friends, and I try to understand them and treat them as they should be treated. As people. It kinda hurt me to hear that as someone who tries to be decent to my friends who are a part of the community.
I totally agree this Part was just off and to be hontest, say something like this is discrimination. Just bc I am a cis person, I don't can understand my LGBTQ+ friends. It was a poor Statement and in this moment she was not better then any homo-,transphobic etc. Person out there.
There’s actually a few ways they could’ve implemented the Music powers for Musa to have either make Her an Air fairy and give her sound powers or since Farrah I believe is a multi element fairy they could’ve done the same with Musa making her an Air and Mind fairy that way the music power naturally has those more empathetic routes while still acting as close to the original as it could
One of my friends' name back in Highschool years was Beatrice, and because she was a Potterhead people sometimes called her "Beatrix", so for me the name has a completely different energy.
Its average that's how I see the show after rewatching it the actresses themselves are good it just the characters and the way they were directed that was bad
I didn’t talk much about Tecna in this video given I was so focused on what was kept in Fate. However, her exclusion is important to talk about, especially given how many fans interpreted her as an autistic-coded character, and even her as a feminine but geeky person whose interest in technology was what made her strong. As someone who isn’t autistic, I don’t feel qualified to talk about Tecna’s autistic coding in depth, but it’s something important that I wanted to bring awareness to, and will make sure to mention in future Winx Club content.
Maybe the writers don't want to write a poly relationship and that's ok.
I doubt that's the case, she just wasn't expressing her emotions, her home world is all about perfection, maximum efficiency, but she very quickly started to open up and show a lot of emotion. But they didn't involve any magically fused technology iirc.
All they did was use phones to mention stuff like Instagram, what will Tecna do in this world, fix bloom's laptop?
I think they just tried to mix together earth and "the other world" as much as possible and just forget about the flying jets, magical phones, etc and make it as simple as it gets thus no longer needing such fairy i guess.
As an autistic person, I can say that seeing Tecna coded as such is more than valid. However, the more I think about it, the more it seems like a relief that she wasn't included in Fate's first season. With only six episodes, and all the drama and hostility going on, it would have likely been way too much for someone on the spectrum to handle. Especially since no other characters seemed qualified to act as that kind of support. And that's assuming the writers could handle character so complex while simultaneously building and establishing everything and everyone else. With Bloom and the others officially being friends now and having each other's backs, it seems more doable. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
thanks for the mention. I forgot to think about the full original main cast as well. darn it
I never thought of that
Techna wasn't left out, she's right there, in everyone's fucking accent.
People that don't know the 4Kids dub won't get this comment.
@Justin MiawKanyan Me too I grew up with the 4 kids version of Winx Club when I watched it when I was younger it's the version that introduced me to the series.
😂
Tecna wasn't left out. She was spared. #JusticeforTecna
I AM DEAD. This is the comment.
I was super upset with what they did to Bloom and her parents. growing up as someone who was adopted I always felt like shows always have bad adoptive/foster parent and child relationships. I always loved og winx for bloom and her parents relationships because it was actually supportive and loving. The abusive adoptive parent(s) is a route so many forms of media go down and I’ve always hated it.
Yea that’s what I mainly hate about fate bloom, that and the personality switch, they made her to edgy bruh that she ain’t even relatable no more.
Thank you for bringing this up.
because those assholes always try to make adoption seem like its worse than death. i know exactly what you mean
I loved the OG Winx because they also showed that even when you are adopted, you can still love both you're adoptive parents AND you're real parents. It's not one or the other, it's a healthy relationship where both pairs of parents can love their child and talk to each other.
The crazy thing is that Mike and Vanessa weren't even abusive, Bloom was just a brat.
I wish moon Stella would be just Diaspro retconed to be Stella sister, and we could get our beloved sun Stella
Omgg yes please that would be amazing
Omg fr and she wouldn’t have had that weird love triangle with sky because diaspo would be there...the missed opportunity chile
Now this I could get behind on!
Or Moon Stella is Sun Stella's twin sister disguised as her good twin and entered the school. Now that she is so deep in the lie with everyone and opened up to them, she doesn't want to admit who she really is until next season Sun Stella, who lives with their father, enters the academy causing confusion.
For me it felt more like sun Stella vs tube light Stella. But I do like your idea!
@@thgritic102 I would be down for that.
Last time I was this early, Roxy was part of the Winx.
Who's Roxy?😉
@@dorothygale9648
The fairy of Animals and also the last modern fairy on Earth... I think.
@@FinnianRowland Honey, I was kidding.
@@dorothygale9648
Aaaaand I didn’t realize that the emoji was a wink... damn it TH-cam and your non-obvious comments!
She never was and frankly i dont really like Roxy. She is a slight mary sue tbh but i wouldnt mind if she was apart of the winx or got enchantix or something. Tbh Roxy is overrated i dont see what isnsooo godly about her but still 😂😂
aisha becoming a mammie-type character cuts deep, especially considering that one of her major arcs in the cartoon was that *she* was the one that had to learn to accept friends and cope with her loneliness. black girls are often expected to always be strong and support others no matter the cost by society so aisha's fleshed out storyline was a breath of fresh air.
Why is everything a "mammie-type"? Being supportive are not the same thing.
Like what they did to Aisha isn't ok but that doesn't make it the same thing.
@@nahte123456 She has nothing to do other than stand around to make the cast look diverse and prop up Bloom.
@@Arella17 yes and? I said it was bad but that doesn't mean it fits that specific problematic stereotype. I mean it's not 'good' or 'mammie' what a disgusting and toxic way of thinking, unless you can actually show it is that stereotype.
@@nahte123456 I think what they’re getting at with the "mammie" argument is that Aisha does nothing in the show but essentially dote on Bloom. Trying to be her friend while Bloom continues to be insufferable, and she has nothing going for her beyond that. Even the one instance where she _does_ go against Bloom (telling the teachers that Bloom is trying to free Rosalind, a _war criminal_ from what they all know), she gets antagonized as if she's doing the wrong thing in that situation.
She isn't an exact mammie, more like the supportive token black friend who's there only to prop up the main white lead and have the cast look diverse so casting can't be called racist. It's still a complete and utter downgrade from OG Aisha though.
@@tama3162 and that's fair but mixing criticism only weakens arguments. By making a false claim you make the actual arguments weaker. It's far easier to say this comment is racist for considering any sort of supportive black woman a "mammie" and avoid the actual problems then it would be for arguing that Aisha isn't an effective character and why she's problematic.
They also wanted Bloom to be a fish out of the water yet for some reason everyone in the otherworld has instagram and know all about earth pop references. Just... why?
I was honestly confused about how the "Other world" connects to Earth, especially when I heard a James Bond reference.
Stella and another character I don't remember referenced America multiple times.... It truly does feel like they're just in "Magical Britain". No way that this is a different realm
i’m so miffed they didn’t just create an otherworld equivalent of instagram and pop culture stuff instead. that’s the kind of stuff that makes these types of fantasy stories fun imho and would’ve added a lot world building and characterization wise (for bloom at least)
@@clarence5211 that's cuz they removed tecnomagic, and by extension, techna🙄
That's more a critique than a roast. And it's actually what i hoped this would be.
True but I like to think of it as an organized rant since rants can be all over the place
More like destructive criticism which is fitting if you ask me.
@@derrickdaniels3955
What do you mean?🤔
@@tabithanel1975 Criticism which aims to break down a piece of media instead of building it up
So no one is talking abt how Fate Stella is basically Diaspro????
Exactly
She acts like her T^T I hate it
Yes except she has terrible taste in fashion ( diaspora was stylish )
@@lilyhossam6006 I adore her design
She kinda is. Omg.. 😐
I hated how self-serving and bratty Bloom was. Why on earth would we want to be on her side? Plus she was so passive aggressive most of the time🤣 Stop with the angsty I'm NoT LIkE OthER GiRlS and make her sweet but with conflict and a temper. Writers- it IS possible to make someone multi dimensional. Not 'I'm an angsty teen and this is my whole personality.
Bloom is a complicated character not in a sense. Where she multi dimensional, but as in she either both good and bad in the cartoon series because while she does have her badass moments. But I always feel like her personality doesn't have much layers. People accuse Bloom for being a mary sue but I kinda have to disagree because in the cartoon Bloom has her moments where she is vulnerable and she learn from her mistakes and she actually work together with the other girls in order to defeat the bad guys. However, Bloom personality has only two traits, Bloom is a sweetheart but gets angry easily that it.
@@littlemurdermachine6646 Yeah, I don't think that Bloom is a Mary Sue either. The world doesn't exactly bend to her will so she's more of a poorly written character
@@alabamaslammer3921 nice Pikachu picture dude
@@littlemurdermachine6646 Thanks you should see the way it moves
@@alabamaslammer3921 Uh no thank you the picture is already scary enough
Biggest twist of this: Almost everyone is British.
And they didn't bring in the British Techna
Everyone is British except the one who is coded as British
@@mysryuza Really? Huh. Weird.
Great now I'm imagining Billie eilish as a live action version of techna
@@violetviper8397 Because it's just a 4Kids thing.
i have a theory: what if flora (terra's cousin) was the flora in the original show? like flora got accepted into the animated alfea (the good one) and studies there with the characters we know and love, while terra failed the entrance exam and got sent to shitty alfea where she meets riverdale characters
the way i wheezed-
The best comment to exist
Only way it could’ve been better would be if you called it “Alphea” instead of “shitty Alfea”.
🤣🤣🤣
@@christianwright5874 alphea HWLP
Since we are officially getting a season 2 here’s what I’m hoping for:
-some actual fashion moments
-Aisha getting an actual plot for herself
-the appearance of Hispanic flora
-maybe a fully Asian actress cast as Tecna since nothing can be done about Musa now. (Read comments below for discussion on if this would be okay or not. Representation should never be an afterthought or a corrected mistake. If Tecna appears in the next season it would be nice to see her character given a diverse casting in some way.)
That sounds nice
If they make Tecna Asian, I have mixed feelings about it (Chinese Canadian here) because the "Asian genius" is a stereotype and also something pushed on some Asian youth growing up (like me), leading to a lot of anxiety over things in our life.
And also give us more color more
@@2ndkeeper I see what you’re saying, that could play into Asian stereotypes. I wish she would have just been cast correctly from the beginning.
@@Hi-ky2wd I forgot about that show! It was my shit as a kid
If fairies in this series "evolve", then please, PLEASE make that an excuse to bring in Tecna. A new type of magic for something that previously didn't exist. A chance for a new storyline, an outcast to her own kind, and can use unprecedented abilities to outwit and undermine the antagonists.....Bah, who am I kidding? These writers aren't that creative.
YES! I LOVE THIS, but sadly I agree. Plus it would just overshadow Bloom.
That would be so good
Exactly this sort of storyline would require creativity
Sorry that would require a character that is not called Bloom to have any sort of character depth so its not going to happen x
(its a really cool idea tho maybe we should just write the show ourselves)
@@darao.4907 Wait, Bloom had character depth?
Aisha=Blooms black friend/sidekick.
Did my girl so dirty 😭🤚🏾
Aisha and musa were the closet in the original and they were more than friends
Yeah why they did that doesn't make sense to me, like how could the people making this not see the rightful backlash that would cause?
but with Aisha and bloom Aisha is basically a sidekick
@@nahte123456 My guess is that they knew that people would watch the show never the less and now they’re green-lit for a second season...sigh..
Stella isn't my favorite character but her portrayal in this probably hurt the most (of all the represented characters) besides Aisha...which is probably a tie.
As someone who grew up with Winx Club I couldn't stop laughing at this show, it was just hilarious to me. Diaspro basically became Stella for some reason, The Trix were turned into 1 person aka Beatrix, not a bad idea , kind of a decent villain / character IMO compared to everyone else the others were so basic and bland. The specialists are so watered down it's actually kinda sad from the chest kitchen knives to them being slaughtered left right & center and the awful costumes (not only theirs). I just don't get why everything has to get Riverdale'd. Also, I really miss Techna and all the technology in general. At least they almost got Riven right but he too has the Riverdale fever.
But forreal if OG Stella saw the costume's design she would blind herself immediately.
@@Hi-ky2wd yea i forgot all the nasty remarks by him but overall at least he's not as boring as the rest that were copy pasted from every generic team drama ever
the disappointment when best and most wholesome ship (flora and helia) aren't in the show...
@@no-ku6jp Yess Oml they are my fave too and it’s so sad 😭
Although I guess we should be grateful that neither the characters nor the ship exist here so they can't be ruined.
29:05 Crazy thing is, someone actually made an animated version of LA Bloom's transformation, and it looks great. You can actually tell that her wings are wings and not flaming farts that vaguely look like wings.
Flaming Farts I-
I'M CRYING!
Is there a link?
@@delightfulmochas th-cam.com/video/KBNMHhAFooE/w-d-xo.html
lmaooooo "flaming farts" I just dieeeeed
Doom of Fate sounds like a fantastic video game XD
Yes agree HAAHHA
Sounds like a title for a Doom game.
@@lightyearpig12
A DOOM game set in a fantasy-medieval apocalyptic time period.
Would love to see that for sure 😲
I know that she would not be holding back if she makes that video
Sounds like a Homestuck Hero Aspect
I'm surprised you didn't make a Slide for Techna only to make the joke that she isn't in the series
*Tecna
I hope that this show doesn’t get a second season. We don’t need anymore of these teen shows like Riverdale that appear to be progressive but are actually regressive.
It did sadly that quick without even considering of renewing Julie and the phantoms and other good shows so do what some of the rest of us are doing ignore it and forget it existence.
@@Hiii5436 it’s because those shows don’t make enough money for them it just makes more sense for them to renew fate
@@spacesoda5266 Netflix loves to pick and choose ig🤷🤷
As far as I've read, a second season has been passed
@@nissa7560 so it’s happening
Fate literally got renewed today.
The Lord has abandoned us.
It was bound to because it got bumped up to the #1 most watched show on Netflix US the day of its premiere but _m a n_
It sat in top 10 for so long in the uk as well, people really do love watching train wrecks
I hate it here
Ok but why do i feel so certain they're going to make tecna mtf trans now???????????????
@@zeusrulez Makes sense. People love train wrecks. Why do you think shows like Keeping Up with the Kardashians or Housewives franchise keeps on going?
People love messes XD
Been waiting for this one😌 but can Aisha finally get some justice I’m tired of her always getting done dirty 🙄
@@Hi-ky2wd yea like that time valtar blinded her 😭
@@greenrangeralex I think they were referring to the Whitewashing
@@Hi-ky2wd RIP NABU
I just wish people could understand that teens is not all about edginess, drugs and sex.I get it that there are teens who do those things but the tropes are so overused and it's tiring to see them again and again
Honestly the idea of making a Winx live action is not bad and could be done really well if they tried,such a wasted opportunity to bring 2000's fashion back.They don't have to make them wear bras and shorts but they could have tried to keep the original color pattern,it hurts looking at Bloom wearing all red because "FiRe fAiRyyy!1!1!" Or Aisha wearing all blue cuz "WOtAh FaeRieee"
Don't get me started with the whitewashing...
And the aesthetic
Even tho I like dark academia/royalcore aesthetic,it's something that does not fit Winx.When I think of Winx I think of: bright colours,fashion, glitter, friendship,futurism
I don't think of stuff that come out from Harry Potter or something like that.Adding futurism in the og Winx was a good idea and created a unique aesthetic,I really hoped that they would add more futuristic elements in there other than instagram or phones.
It's probably the reason why they didn't add Techna?
Anyways the only good thing I liked about this is that guys can be fairies too and girls can be specialists too,other than that the series itself is unoriginal and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who loved the og Winx Club.If you know someone who likes Riverdale,Teen Wolf, Vampire Diaries then recommend them this
I will never forgive for what they did to my girl Stella. They turned her into some toxic girl with no fashion sense.
I am also sick of picturing LGBT people as some outcast and sexuality as a binary good and bad option. Seriously, is it too much to ask to be treated as a Person?! What's wrong with these writers?!
Image high schoolers being mean never
Doesn't seem like They are trying to but to atleast riven seems redeemable but I see your point! The 3 bisexual characters are literally the main villains 😒
@@rewriter3981 It has become a trope that if the character is gay, he is either a cliché, a twisted villain, or he dies when he has a romantic love interest. I can't remember a Single story where the character was gay and it wasn't really relevant, because they wrote a character first.
...what can you expect from the same showrunners of TVD (the same show that was unabashedly pro-Confederate and super racist to Bonnie and her actress)
@@MrSuperAJ you should check out she-ra and the princesses of power :D
I was more excited for this than the actual show. This is honestly alright on its own but you can tell that this show will only be popular because of where it came from. Which means that this is just riverdale: winx edition
Fate is leagues different than Riverdale. There wasn't Sex 24/7
@@christophermerrill8925 well until now. Riverdale also didn't have so much Sex in the first season.
A friend of mine who told me she was never interested in Winx watched it and enjoyed it. And yes, she also enjoyed Riverdale.
The showrunner is actually a gay man. So, the fact that the show treats it's LGBTQ characters this way is even worse..
Maybe he wants to show how he was treated? He shows how people treated him throu the show
@Bang me Chan Yea internalized homophobia is still very much a thing
riverdales showrunner is also a gay man and we saw how riverdale treated their lgbt rep lmao
@@user-ut7kx2jw3j Wait seriously? Man the one thing I hate most about riverdale is the fact that they erased Jughead’s asexuality and made him get into sexual relationship when that wasn’t his character in the slightest in the original series
@@herossoup6027 oh trust me I know. I'm asexual myself and it makes my blood boil. ig if the showrunner can't sexualize an identity it's useless to him
Oh, and please can we just roast the script, the lines given in this show are just terrible, I would bet nobody did a single rewrite after a Middle aged white man faking to be "forward" pretended to write and edgy teenager story.
As a teenager we talk like them not all teens act like there the gods profit
@@spacesoda5266 Thats why for me dialogue is not that important for me in story. When it comes to that people will criticize dialogue based off their own perceptions of reality. Us humans vary in taste as well so stories are subjective anyways. Story and characters are more important to me
I think the original winx club Musa couldve been an air fairy. Music and sound are made by turbulence of air after all? It could be a very cool power, so strong that it could blow people's minds. Not to mention, it would perfectly fit the canon. What a shame they didnt use the opportunity
I like that idea and maybe because she’s air there’s different levels or branches like sub elements in Avatar, that could eventually grow into her music/sound magic, or go in a direction like the Netflix series and the air powers could turn to empathy (I’m not sure how that’d work but it’s a thought)
@@kawaiipanda4013 yes exactly! Thats what i was thinking about too
THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO! but NOOOOOOOOO she's a fairy of 'minds' like wtf?!?!?!?!
They should’ve made Tecna a mind fairy who has difficulty interpreting what others’ emotions mean, had they added her in 😭
in the pilot for winx club she looks like she couldv been an air fairy with the flute and all
The only epic thing about this live action was the scene where Bloom destroys the Burned Ones. Nothing else.
100%
That’s one more than what was in the cartoon.
They really looked at Bloom and said "Let's throw Riven's anger issues in here!!!!"
Someone called The Burned Ones crispy zombies and I can't get over it
Considering they kind of look like the Tarman from Return of the Living Dead sans “tar”, that’s an apt description. Then again, the Tarman looked cool.
More like crusty zombies
I have so many complaints, like too many.
¬It bugs me that Musa's powers are completely different because there were so many episodes/scenes in the original that showcased how Music is everything to her.
¬Stella is just honestly annoying, and when she got taken out of the school the girls cared for her but why?? She treated them horribly- she has this love triangle with Sky- and it just- don't let me get into this.
¬Aisha was just confusing,, no actual plot for her and she got done reallyyyyy dirty.
¬Flora or well Terra she.. She was just a big mess??? For me at least- the Flora we know has a completely different personality. I guess tho that the most emotions I've felt was with Terra so that's that.
¬Uhhh where is TeCHnA?
¬Bloom; she's annoying as hell. She acts like a little brat and complains about everything even when CLEARLY there were people around trying to help stear her head in the right direction-
¬Bruh they took out the Trix, that's a crime!
¬Drugs, drugs, and more drugs. Do people really think teenagers are all about drugs???
¬The school isn't even pink. It looks like a PRISON.
¬Teachers who?? We only know the Headmistress.
¬Sky was just weird for me although decent.
In conclusion: Trash. Throw it away.
@Kat Ross I- let me bulldoze the area then and get rid of it myself
So really ur reason is you did not like it having a music fairy would be pretty stupid since it’s kind of subjective and not in line with there vidion
@@spacesoda5266 Uhh no my reasonings are literally all because this show is based off of the original, when they completely strayed off of it. And those are a list of the things of what they twisted-
@@FlameSnowFire it’s a adaption did you most Disney movies twist the OG stories they can change them with out fate winx and rainbow would not survive much longer
@@spacesoda5266 And so? Even as a stand alone or as an original it's still so bad,, the writing is awful- the characters interactions were just a mess as well because how do they care for Stella when she got taken away from the school but at the same time she didn't treat them as friends?- and not to mention the fact that even if it's an adaptation it can't be compared to Disney movies,, Disney movies are purposely made to make stories that are safe and sweet and directed for children or to the young kids. While with Fate Winx Saga it's directed to us teenagers and all the show had was stupid characters with drugs and sexual tension- I'm pretty sure us Teenagers don't only want to watch that.
After rewatching the original series upon forcing myself to finish Fate, I appreciated how the original series treated its diversity. All of the girls were different in some unique way, and in regards to skin colour, it was just something they were. The other characters didn't care that Aisha had dark skin or that Musa was the Earth equivalent of east Asian. Sure, Bloom and Stella looked white (I say that because they're fairies not operating by Earth definitions of race), but even they were pretty different and distinguishable. And still, their skin colour didn't make them any more or less important than the others.
I suppose what I found most frustrating about Fate (apart from how dirty they did the story and characters) is how they make diversity feel like this forced thing that they still did wrong. Is there an overweight character? Make sure to make the audience know she's fat by having people insult her. A person is gay? Make sure every conversation is about their gay crush that's probably straight and homophobic to add tension. Introverted or outcast character? Well, they must be constantly awkward and unpleasant in some way, but they'll learn to like their faults and probably won't learn from them because those faults make them unique. And if they do learn from their faults, make sure it's super dramatic and is basically the opposite of when you first meet them, because that's how characters grow. Characters are all different when they first meet? Make them standoffish, so that when they're friends, it's a bigger contrast to show how they've grown.
God forbid people just like each other and learn more about them later on. And god forbid people just being themselves without having a tragic backstory behind every aspect of their appearance.
Whether you like Riven or not, I think we can come to an agreement that this version of Riven is worse. It's an odd phenomenon when a character in a cartoon feels more like a person than the life action counterpart.
It has nothing to do with Winx, but as a bisexual who has her sexuality invalidated almost every day for different reasons (I'm so f tired) I would like to say Thank you
1 :0 fellow bi 2 yes I would also like to say thank you cause it sucks so much being invalidated all the god damn time
I'm a bi-romantic asexual so I feel you there. I'm tired of both of those identities being constantly negated, trash-talked or forgotten about.
@@QueenOfFandoms that too as someone who’s on both the ace and aro spec I’m so sick of being forgotten or being told that asexuality and all the identity’s like it aren’t apart of the LGBTQ community. I’m really tired of so many people being biphobic and aphobic it’s just so annoying
𝗩𝗶𝗿𝘁𝘂𝗮𝗹 𝗵𝘂𝗴?
So, uh, hi from a female bisexual that has preferences towards men and people think she's hetero or doesn't take her seriously bc apparently if she's bi she can only have crushes on women, when that's not the definition at all. (No, not saying things are like that, is just that I told a friend I was bi few days ago -since she's also bi and has had several girlfriends before- and she looked at me weird since I couldn't tell her "well, there's this girl I like" bc at the moment there isn't, even tho I *know* I'm attracted to men and women, and I'm still salty bc she looked at me funny like if I was confused or some shit)
Sorry for the rant, i don't really have anyone to tell this xD
You know they could've done a sub-plot about Stella, Bloom, and Sky well if they did something like Stella and Sky are arranged to be married since they were the Princess of Solaria and the Prince of Eraklyon respectively and while on the surface they seem like the perfect couple, they actually don't have any feelings for each other besides friendship and in fact, Stella has feelings for Brandon, Sky's best friend who is common-born meaning they can't be together in public despite Sky being supportive of them. Enter Bloom who develops feelings for Sky which creates a lot of guilt for her since Stella is her best friend and she doesn't know that Stella and Sky don't actually have a real relationship until the middle of the season where Stella realizes Sky has fallen for Bloom and vice-versa and tells Bloom that if she really likes him then she should go for it.
That's a great idea!!!!! Way better than the entire show
Yes. I like this. Thank you!
The actress who plays terra should’ve played Techna because of her talkative attitude and awkwardness would have worked perfectly and that would’ve helped with Techna’s autism coding in the original series
I honestly would be fine with her as Tecna
@@KhaosAdmiral not to mention a mind powers being so intrusive could help with an autistic person having a hard time understanding how people work not just cuz they are nosy but because they don’t understand social cues 🤷🏾♂️
I was thinking the same thing not too long ago.
And I haven't seen it anywhere that Tecna is Autism coded. I think it would be cool but I haven't see it officially confirmed anywhere.
@@isaiahhope8379 that idea put a huge smile on my face, that sounds so sweet
@@tecnofan3440 I’ve heard a few different people say that she was autistic coded and based on how she acted I could 100% understand
Talking about stella: I saw a clip where stella was commenting on someone’s outfit and I'm just like "girl look at what YOU'RE wearing omg" the styling is so frustrating to me.
Thomas: “Why not call her Trixie instead of Beatrix”
*Literally every MLP fan takes a collective nonchalant sip*
Okay I need to know who design those monstrous trash bags you call outfits.
And why they've changed the characters colours/colour pallet to boring monochrome outfits that symbolize there elements instead of complementing there appearance and their personality.
stella would burn the universe to a crisp for these crimes.
I hate Stella´s clothing so much.This show made me realize Aisha was my favorite in the og
Did you see what she was wearing in the last episode 😢🤢
The issues with Aisha's writing is sadly not too surprising given one of the people on this show worked on The Vampire Diaries and that series was criticized for similar problems with Bonnie.
They really do have us begging for scraps of representation at this point. We deserve better!
“Everyone is an asshole in this show”
THANK YOU! Idk why this was a thing I had to stop cause it just felt mean most of the time.
as an asian girl who only had musa to relate to growing up, seeing her get whitewashed broke my heart
Stella’s character here...I guess could have been an enjoyable take on the character and added some cool depth but...I’d still take friendly supportive Stella who is allowed to be feminine while not villainised over Fate Stella any day.
And in a turn that surprises no one, Thomas isn't a fan of Fairy Potter XD
Beatrix was the one that looked closest to a teen and was best dressed
Definitely agree there but then, imo, it just made all of the sex stuff that she talked about and the "because you're a guy and I'm hot" line seem REALLY awkward for me.
The actress is still a teen
@@delightfulmochas Well for sure then they should have gone with younger casting for all the other characters.
After the traumatic experience that was Nickelodeon's Winx club I expected them to use any opportunity to restore the show to the quality of the first 4 seasons. I guess I was wrong
Apparently people have found in original casting notes as well, there was an intended character called Jade who very oddly sounded like Aisha's role in Fate, implying they were gonna replace Aisha as well.
That's terrible.
Honestly hated how they made Vanessa wicked/awful just to justify Bloom almost killing her...
I'm planning on re-writing it, because I want to exclude some unnecessary stuff like that pointless love triangle-
Please do Re-write and also one suggestion: Make Beatrix into original The trio of Trix and also INCLUDE TECNA and I don't mind if her power is basic electric power because at least electric has a connection with technology
Please do something about Dane because he is literally awful.
Ooh!
Let us know when the first chapter is out - I'd totally read it!
😆😆😆 well... I should tell y'all what I will include:
What I will include;
- Musa is now a sound fairy; it's more versatile and ofc she's Asian
- Sky and Stella are now childhood friends and Stella is our bi icon
- Tecna and Roxy is present; they're now specialists (I have a surprise for Tecna 😏😉)
- Bloom is not some weird feminist icon
- Terra is now a secondary character (she's confident about her weight this time around) with Flora being back in the Winx suite
- Aisha has an arc
- There are more teachers and there are security guards
- Riven is more of a troublemaker than a bAdBoY, and he and Beatrix are more friends than lovers? (they're lovers right?)
- Sky's not generic, who claims to be nice but when Stella really needed him and yeeted her to the side for Bloom who him only met for a few days-
- Dane... I like the concept of him wanting to make friends but we know little to no reason why he wants to have friends, not that he switched schools alot... bullied... nothing... I'm giving him a new storyline-
- Sam is not in this version (I saw no point in his character)
That's all I have for now you can tell me what else you want to see (:
@@jxstjada
How about Aisha and Musa being a couple?
Lesbian Icons?
Im just confused about one thing regarding Beatrix. She wants revenge against the people who burned her town and killed her family, and then she is aligned with and proceeds to work for those exact same people. Just... what?
That's me looking at Vinland Saga
@@kyarabarrion4523 but askeladd and thorfinn's motives were pretty clear.
If I'm correct, Rosalind manipulated Beatrix into thinking that Farah and Terra's father intended to destroy Aster Dell while Rosalind tried to stop them, although the reality is pretty much the opposite. It's not that Beatrix works with the ones who killed her family, but with the ones who tried to save her family (in her eyes)
Edit: this also can cover the reason why Rosalind got sealed. Rosalind said it was because she knows the truth and Farah tries to silence her, while in reality it's because Rosalind is a war criminal and Farah had to lock her up.
I didn’t even bother watching winx saga cause I knew this was going to come out 💀 Thank you for the entertainment lmfao
It just got renewed for season 2, so I hope they learn from the mistakes and improve.
They won’t, let’s be honest
Oh, you sweet summer child, they will never learn.
That would be a 99.9% no and 1% for ignoring us because they're making a lot of money
Doubt it.
So, Stella's mom is a powered crazed leader that views her child - who has a perfect balance between two very different powers - as a potential asset and puts her through immense training at a young age in order to achieve a certain? One that causes an accident where someone's eyes are damaged and the child becomes cold and distant to their classmates before befriending the main character and changing for the better?
*Oh my god, they made a white, genderbent Todoroki.*
Except Todoroki and his dad are way more complex and interesting characters than Stella and her mom.
The difference is that Endeavor actually had a motivation that made sense. Jealousy. It also makes sense that one of his sons became a villain. But honestly, I wish they showed Stella getting over her trauma with help of her friends (kinda like how Todoroki did)
Applebaum is confirmed to be a Jewish actress, for as much as that means, but judging by her last name, it does imply that she falls within a white ethnic background.
@LIM RUI ZHE - That is racist mate
@@rileyinglis8167 how is it racist? being jewish doesn’t make you a poc.
@@jack-lj1so thought she was middle-eastern?
@@twinkles190 she has singaporean heritage, she’s not middle eastern
@@jack-lj1so Ah alright, then you for enlightening me in my ignorance.
Bloom is literally a mary sue in Fate, just like Rey in Star Wars.
I love how this didn’t arrive until after they released that it was renewed for season 2
And it’s pretty much revealed that Flora will be in this new season
Huh what??? What will they do???
Really? Where did you read this?
@@KendallM0219 it’s everywhere in Netflix accounts
@@KendallM0219 A reveal video for season 2 was released on Netflix’s channel and apparently Brian Young said something about how we don’t know who might arrive in Alfea in this new season
Wow so Netflix can’t renew actually good shows with deeper meanings/entertaining like the society, Anne with an e, Julie and the phantoms, grand army glow, teenage bounty hunters and many good shit etc but renew this unoriginal whitewashed show....
Wow the Fate logo is unironically the most colorful part of the whole show
There's a HUGE difference between making necessary changes to adapt to a different medium and then completely changing core aspects of a show to the point where the original appeal was lost and you would think it's an entirely separate thing to what it was adapting if it didn't have the title in the name. That's the problem with Fate Winx Club Saga for me.
What's more,is that the 'changes' made are not all that different from what other darker and edgier reboots(Riverdale,Sabrina,etc.) are doing so it's not even interesting in that department either. It's basically just the 'let's take something that was bright and colorful and then make it muted,dull,and have blood/gore as a sign that this is more mature when it really isn't!' route. How is that beneficial for improving the base story?
For me,I can't see how it does,because the characters in the show are uninteresting assholes and the plot itself doesn't make any sense or affect the characters in significant way.The changes made are surface level.
They do try to make it out as if the events of the first season have made them come together as close friends,but that attempt falls flat. Why? Because in all of the previous episodes,we never see the girls grow as characters individually, come to some sort of understanding with each other,and overall develop over time to treat each other better.
What I wanted was for the series to take what was already there and expand on it while adding stuff that made sense to Winx Club lore wise to make it unique. That's what PSGM(the live action SM series) did. It took some of the more unexplored or darker implications in the 90's anime/manga and turns it into brand new stories that changes how you look at the original work while still having the appeal of the original story.
It's not to say the original Winx didn't have mature elements to it or NEVER had darker or mature elements. Sure,it was never focused on too much,but to say they weren't there at all would be disingenuous. Essentially,WC was a coming of age story dealing the challenges the characters faced in their years at Alfea and while it's nothing original,it was decently done. At least that's I would say for the first 4 seasons+SotLK movie.
If the directors and writers had actually bothered to research the series,they probably could've caught this stuff and take what was already there and just expand on it,while adding in new lore that still makes sense for WC.
I can't say what others wanted out of Fate,but PGSM is what I wanted out of it. Changing some stuff to keep a work unique is one thing,but changing it to the point where I have to wonder 'why did you bother keeping Winx Club in the title and not sell this as it's own unique IP?' is another. And Fate falls straight in the latter camp for me.
In concept,the idea of them not starting off as friends,maybe even disliking each other a bit is not a bad one.That's actually a good example of expanding on the source material a bit. But the execution was terrible.
They made all of the main characters too assholish for me to sympathize with them.(sans Aisha) At the end,the writing expects you buy that the external plot has made the characters become close friends,but it fails. Because there was no work done to develop the characters and their friendship before now. Up to the final episode, all of the girls treated each other like shit.
So it's not believable to me that ANY of the girls(except maybe Aisha) would care about Bloom to the point where they'd run to her rescue and risk their lives for her. And that's a failure on the writers part,among others. Even when you take the show on it's own,it still isn't that great and it didn't have Winx Club brand attached,it wouldn't have done well.
Let's talk about Stella in this show. She's basically every stereotypical mean girl cliché rolled up into one character. Sure,they try to give her a sob story to make her behavior understandable, but it doesn't excuse the fact that on screen she always acts like an asshole towards others. She never has moments where she shows there's a nicer side to her that isn't forced.
As an add on to the show doing an abysmal job of developing the friendship between the girls,Stella's 180 heel face turn pissed me off the most. Stella's all like, 'Yes! Please forgive me! I suddenly now feel regretful about the shit I've pulled, despite not showing any signs of this earlier.' And the girls are like 'Okay!' and just decided to be her friend with no questions or hesitation. WHY? Up to this point,Stella's done nothing for them and has acted like a bully towards them for probably months. Stella being accepted by the others feels totally unearned on her part because we never see her grow or develop to show remorse for her actions or realize how the others dislike her for it. We don't see her trying to change to be a better person. We don't see her apologize to her others for her shitty behavior or try to make up for it. If the show had any kind of half-decent writing,the believable response would've been for the others to tell her to fuck off.
Anyway this is why i'm writing a comic about a group of magical girls being awesome. Because i'm tired of waiting for a story like that.
Yay
Supporting you from the back here 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@Im_bor3d0 Update: The comic and i are at war and i'm on the verge of death
The new seasons are childish as hell, and this live action is over the top cringe teen drama. So disappointing. I just want the same magic the first 3 seasons of the 4kids dub gave me years ago.
Heck- After s6 everything is just even more ridiculous more ridiculous than s5-6 even tho they were good. S7-8 are sooo fking bad like i cant even . On winx newsflash they are turning winx to be even MORE childish with another artstyle change and its pop pixie 2.0 . Tbh i think winx should come to a close.
@@3rebella i would say that everything past season 5 is just- no. Winx shouldvve ended after it because Bloom was finally with her sister again and stuff.
@@villain__9 Yeah, I thought it would’ve ended at season 4. I was wrong but I liked season 5. Then I thought that was the end and nope. I didn’t really like season 6-7 all that much. I watched season 8’s first two episode and I didn’t like it. The designs bother me way too much since they look like children when they’re supposed to be adults. Like why do that? Just why? I don’t understand.
True but Season 6 is my fave season after Season 3.
i don't know how to feel about fate, it just... exists. season 1 to 4 and secret of the lost kingdom exist for a reason.
Thank you for saying „season 1-4 + the first movie“ everything else is unacceptable
@Marco D magic adventure is too focused on bloom and the plot was kinda irrelevant and the opportunities were wasted.
For me s1-6 and the last movie is what i accept. Everything else is bull
@@3rebella the last movie???? the ocean one?
@@Smile-eo7fy The abyss one . Probably my favorite after the secret of the lost kingdom
I'm sure there are plus-sized Latina actresses/models who would love to be Flora! Netflix, go! Find some!
@ViegosWife I think what they're saying is, if the show wanted to have diverse body types, they didn't need to change her race to do it.
Note: The name Beatrix actually originates from the season 2 ending of winx club when the trix merged for a short time. They called themselves *BEATRIX*
So if you think about it, that’s pretty much what Fate did.
They need to place Timmy and Techna in there right now🙄they could fix some ancient ship with modern technology! This easily creates more episodes in different dimensions especially a couple of episodes in Andros, Aisha’s home where they properly display black richness and her background 👍🏾
Fate: Vampire Diaries and Harry Potter in a bullet smoothie maker...
I think it's hilarious how Bloom's mom was getting angry BECAUSE HER DAUGHTER DOESN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND WOULD RATHER STAY HOME!! Meanwhile my mom gets super happy at the fact that I'm not as extroverted as my older siblings😂
the issue with Stella's change was the fact its basically just Diaspro,
You haven’t watched mean girls? 😳
FIIIIINALLY a review from an ACTUAL winx fan!
I honestly don't think the headmistress is dead. Didn't they bury her under or by a tree in the show? I think we are going to get the Miss Faragonda tree plot from the OG show. But then again, I'm not gonna have high expectations
If they took only that plot out, it would be good... but they just butchered all the plots so far
Even though riven was self centered he cared about his friends and often seemed as the big brother
I have been waiting for this, bless you Thomas
Also this got renewed for a second season so let's hope they do things like fixing all the whitewashing that went on.
Also, Bloom is unlikable for me because of how deliberate that "accidental" fire looked. It was a line of fire that made a 90 degree left turn towards her parents' room while she's like sitting on her bed and like intently staring into space. Bloom also describes the fire as something she let burn, so again, sounds really deliberate.
Should have been a blink and everything on fire moment, not a "sitting on my bed, oh look a fire line sprang from in front of me, whoops, looks like the line is turning left, oh no I guess the the fire line actually means that everyone in my house is in danger".
I have said this multiple times and I will keep saying it, I feel like had this been branded as a darker live-action adaptation of WITCH, I think it would have been a little more tolerable, not saying it would necessarily be good, but tolerable.
When you always wanted to be a music fairy and loved Musa so much for it...but they yeeted that 🥲
the reason I liked stella is because even though she was a "mean girl" she wasn't mean. She was opinionated and spoke her mind but she would never truly hurt anyone. GIRL LOVE type vibe.
I'm watching this with sheer dread, knowing that this is what's going to become of the live-action ATLA. Jesus fucking christ.
Didn’t they already do that? Why would they do a repeat of that?
As a winx club fan, Im just wondering where the colours went
I had a feeling that this is what they intended for the Live-Action Avatar the Last Airbender series.
Aside from the various flaws pointed out in how characters interact and lack development, I'm just sad I didn't see the Trix. They were literally my childhood icons and one of the few reasons I loved OG Winx in the first place.
The girl that plays Bloom is perfect casting tbh, she was just given nothing to work with. Honestly I think most of the actors are good, but the scripts and direction just seemed so off
Squire Brandon is Sky's squire and bodyguard, a great swordsman, and his best friend. He is also Stella's fiancée. In Season 1, he introduced himself as "Prince Sky" but his lie is later admitted, and continued to go by his real name, Brandon She and her boyfriend, Riven, have a rocky and difficult but passionate relationship. Musa is a skilled singer and musician. Music is one of the founding members of the Winx Club, being the fifth Winx girl introduced after Bloom, Stella, Flora and Tecna, and is an alumna of the Alfea College for Fairies.
I knew it was going to be a train wreck so I didn’t even attempt to watch Fate. I am still surprised at how much they managed to fudge up!
This show is going to be like Riverdale: everyone hates it, but it's a big hit.
Sucks that there are no Witches in this universe. I miss my goth girls.
Doesn’t help that the specialist are discount ninjas, and the world practically takes place in Artemis Fowl.
Beatrix is a real name though... And an old one at that.
Yeah but it’s not pronounced like that
It’s pronounced beet-rix
Not be-a-trix
@@1234tntom1234 what? Be-a-treece it's Italian.
Hollands previous queen’s name is Beatrix and its pronounced as Bey-ah-trix
@@1234tntom1234 What are you high on? You make it sounds like a beetle
Fun fact: Terra means earth in Italian and Portuguese
That is fun
Not as iconic as Flora
And in latin:)
And Japanese
@@frogradar Really? Awsome I didn't knew that :)
Im sorry... but the remarks beneath in the title cards of the character breakdown 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Ayo Trix this u?"
Nah bruh
"We don't claim her"
"Yeah ice that bitch"
I'm done😭😭😭😭
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
*sits back and eats popcorn* I am READY
I really thought they were going to have the flames burn off some of bloom's clothes in the "transformation", sort of like a partial Daenerys to end up with an approximation of her skimpy fairy outfit. But no, they couldn't even do that.
Why is everyone British in this show?
My perception is that they wanted for Bloom to feel like a complete outcast, when she wasn't in the original (even when she thought she was from earth).
Because the cast are British? The casting was in England and Ireland I believe
@@ninaloveray yeah lol these comments are so confusing to me. I don't understand why it's so strange that the characters aren't American... Like non Americans exist lol.
@@ninaloveray maybe the confusion comes from the show originally being Italian? either that or ppl are sick of magic/fantasy shows being made in the uk/set in europe in general lol
@@mayfia People are getting sick of every Fantasy movie always having to be British, especially when the source material had literally nothing to do with Britain anyway
23:25 I’m a cis straight person with lbgtq+ friends, and I try to understand them and treat them as they should be treated. As people. It kinda hurt me to hear that as someone who tries to be decent to my friends who are a part of the community.
I totally agree this Part was just off and to be hontest, say something like this is discrimination. Just bc I am a cis person, I don't can understand my LGBTQ+ friends. It was a poor Statement and in this moment she was not better then any homo-,transphobic etc. Person out there.
There’s actually a few ways they could’ve implemented the Music powers for Musa to have either make Her an Air fairy and give her sound powers or since Farrah I believe is a multi element fairy they could’ve done the same with Musa making her an Air and Mind fairy that way the music power naturally has those more empathetic routes while still acting as close to the original as it could
Yeah, either those options or a sound fairy, cause sound is everywhere
One of my friends' name back in Highschool years was Beatrice, and because she was a Potterhead people sometimes called her "Beatrix", so for me the name has a completely different energy.
Oh, I’ve been WAITING for this! *grabs popcorn*
Its average that's how I see the show after rewatching it the actresses themselves are good it just the characters and the way they were directed that was bad