@@sneaky5141 More that he would have been extremely public about it. If Smasher knew Blackhand was dead he would have told anyone and everyone to show his superiority.
@@garrus6000Actually the Afterlife does not have a drink named after Morgan Blackhand cuz Jackie mention that and Claire even Confirms that when she makes a commet bout Blackhand cant decide if he is alive or dead
Johnny wasn't saved by Morgan, Johnny was cut in half by Smasher and Spider Murphy saved him with the engram provided by Alt. Johnny effectively died in the tower quite unheroically and it is why he has such a vendetta against Smasher, even if he doesn't remember the true reason as to why.
@@lel_trel1744 A large chunk of Johnny's memories are a delusion he came up with since he is a narcissist. The game tells you they are not accurate while the tabletop game and Mike Pondsmith, who covers the time up until the game, tells the real story.
If Morgan Blackhand was indeed apart of the Arasaka crew, and he as well as Spider Murphy were the ones who saved Johnny and turned him into an Engram, it's very possible they changed Johnny's memories to help keep it as a black ops mission with no info leaks. This would also let Morgan fade into obscurity.
Its said by the lead dev of cyberpunk that Johnny is a very unreliable narrator. His narcicism probably factors into him making himself seem more badass after 54 years of being an engram
i think morgan did some fixes on the engram like reznov brainwashed mason in black ops and that's why we were forced to met him as mr. blue eyes it was all a part of his big evil plan w/ alpha centauri A.I. behind the establishment
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009Memories are made up mainly of imagination, since you're only remembering what you felt whenever you "remember" something. If Johnny spent that much time just cycling through his emotions and the raid, he was bound to cloud his own memory, digital or not. Also, this is a fictional universe, any explanation is a good one if you can link pieces together yourself
I am thinking even if we don't get a Solid Morgan clue in the DLC it's all most but confirmed he is going to play a major role in the next Cyberpunk title.
@@zXPeterz14 yeah I feel he is Mikes Pondsmiths golden character and won't let any other writer touch him/write a new story for him. Hopefully that means Mike plays a bigger role in story structuring of the new title if he is up for the idea who knows
Mike Pondsmith did confirm Blackhand wont appear in PL, apparently he still wants to finish his story with it being his own tabletop character its understandable the character means a lot to him and he wants to do it right, however there is a chance we could hear something about him in it but i can see it being just a little reference because they will of course keep his identity a secret.
Morgan Blackhand could easily be the protagonist of the Dos Equis commercial. "They say he saved Kerry Eurodyne without firing a single shot. His adversaries were so impressed that they changed their ways and lived a decent life. He is the most interesting man in the world... In 2020, his book, "The Enforcer's Handbook", had sold over one million copies. The entire solo profession was improved by its release. He is the most interesting man in the world..."
This proves that Johnny's flashbacks are DEFINITELY non-canon, and like other freshly dead folks thrown into Soulkiller, his memories are fragmented and incomplete. His narcissism probably filled the blanks himself, based on his own ego, his hatred for Arasaka, and his love of action movies (Bushido X, anyone?)
it's not so much non-cannon as just missing parts and edited. the overall framework is probably true, but it's poorly remembered and parts were changed or omitted.
Sometimes I like to think he died when the Arasaka tower got bombed. Emphasis on Died. Like the name died but not him. He left the game, made his legend, and took on a different alias.
I love how Militech and Arasaka are so unique and different in their own ways. Where Arasaka keeps Adam Smasher’s PS2 memory disk in their pocket and uses him whenever they need to deploy a walking atrocity, Militech’s poster child is hailed for not taking lives unless necessary. Not that that makes the corp any better, but it’s interesting they aren’t going for a murder machine slugging match. Suppose the world has endured enough apocalyptic events
I mean we don't know exactly what happened but in the tabletop it was Morgan's bomb the one that went off (provided to him by Militech), it wasn't Johnny that bombed NC as much as the game wants you to believe that.
We know for sure Johnny recollection of events are not what he thinks, Alt mentioned so my guess is, Spider and Blackhand put him into soul killer before he died and twist the events for two reasons, Johnny would have love to be the martyr who died facing the corpos and second and most important, it was blackops so the leader Morgan Blackhand needed to be out of the picture to cut any ties back to Militech so all the blame went straight to Silverhand and Arasaka would never know who provided the tactical nuke
I remember way back when cp2077 was first announced and the life paths they had, had you "choose your hero". I wish they had kept that in and expanded on it.
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@@cynicalmemester1694ehh not completely. Cause Vik says Johnny was the one that blew up arasaka tower. The public would think it’s Johnny. Rogue doesn’t even say V is lying when they say Johnny died in front of her eyes.
@@torikaash2143 Johnny did blow up Arasaka tower but he didn't actually cause the building to be destroyed, his team were given firebombs to send down to Mikoshi while the nuke was given to Morgan Blackhand's team. Rogue did see Johnny die in front of her eyes when Adam Smasher shot him in half with his shotgun.
Johnny doesn't mention him because he doesn't share the spotlight, so I have always believed that the engram Johnny edited him out of the whole thing so he could be the center of attention. The main focus.
I think it's hinted at that Morgan Blackhand, albeitly very very loosely, is behind the memory tampering of the Perelez's. So it's also likely that Johnny's memory was altered in order to cover up the government's involvement and make it so when Arosaka interrogated Johnn'y engram, they'd only get the image of a terrorist act. Could also explain why Johnny's engram was top shelf and was regarded as special from other engrams. Maybe Arasaka knew the memory had been tampered with and were keeping it in hopes of getting the truth?
Wonder if Johnny's unreliable narrative is a MGSV scenario his delusion is a deliberate ploy to protect Morgan - the real "Big Boss" - from Arasaka discovery.
it'd be interesting if there actually was some sort of mental block put on the team's cyberware that blocked off certain things in the case of capture. it apparently wasn't exactly obvious who did it, because in the flashback the interrogators are demanding Johnny tell them where he got the nuke from. unreliable narrator or not, that'd be a weird thing for him to add in himself. it implies Arasaka really didn't know who was pulling the strings
I always figured the legend that Johnny was behind the tower attack instead of Morgan Blackhand was Militech trying to distance themselves from the event after the fact. 50 years isn't a long time but you can rewrite a lot of history in that short period of time with the influence and resources at Militech's disposal, especially with all of the chaos going on during the time of the red
I hope we get to meet morgan blackhand in the phantom liberty dlc,and i agree i belive the interaction with silverhand and blackhand is going to be a crazy one.
Would love a Cyberpunk prequel where you play as Morgan Blackhand (not a player character like V) and go toe to toe with Smasher throughout the 4th corporate war!
Except they pretty much went in circles around each other their feud was one sided with Smasher. They didn’t finally face off face to face until the arasaka nuke mission. We really wouldn’t face smasher until about the end of the game again lol
@@Reese91momo That's true. However with the right storytelling they could make it compelling. Fighting smasher in 2077 was so underwhelming. Not the fight itself but it felt like Smasher was just an afterthought, he was not directly involved in the story at all except for the beginning and end. There should have been one more major mission involving Smasher directly, or at least had him more involved as an antagonist.
@@seanfoley974 this I agree with he was always spoke up rarely as this boogeymen of night city though we become aware of his legit existence through evelyn “you look like a fuckable piece of meat” lol I’d shit myself if smasher said that to me lol
@@Reese91momo That was a good scene I wish there was another that showed off his combat abilities, perhaps having a scene where you witness him in action. Hell even a mission where you go to the aftermath of an area Smasher was in and as a detective you could see his brutality before directly fighting him at the end.
@@seanfoley974 yeah it would’ve helped with the overall final fight. Imagine going to a sight where smasher was active and viewing the one of the computers Smasher just going on a rampage against any opposition including killing some of his own people because as we know smasher only cares about how carnage he can cause
God, I hope we get more information in the DLC. It’s like we are missing a big ass plot hole with 2077 cause of the distance it makes with the solos in universe
A platoon style short series of the south american war in cyberpunk followin a squad of nusa soldiers stranded in the jungle trying not to die from their cyberpyscho commander would be crazy good.
I believe he was a lead.., he just lead his half. Morgan handled the rest. and tbh.., who can dictate what Adam decides to target.., He can hate Johnny.., but have uncontrollable processing throttling in the presence of Morgan black hand.
In Cyberpunk edgerunners, David's crew is tasked with the extraction of a VIP who has been kidnapped by the booster gang the Maelstrom. When they arrive to the Totentanz, David and his crew fight off the Maelstrom members and come face to face with a cyberpshycho, presumably Hammer, the founder of the gang. After beating him, they rescue the VIP, a girl named Isabella Morgan. Upon finding her, David informs her that her father has sent them to recue her. Out of all posible surnames to give to a random character why choose the one shared by the most famous merc of Nightcity? To me this is some sort of easter egg
So did Johnny know it was a militech operation? I feel like he wouldn’t want to carry out an op for a corp, but maybe he just hated Arasaka more and decided to work with militech
So I just saw this on my most recent replay of the game, but when Johnny is getting on the chopper to go to arasaka, there’s a militech logo that’s crossed out and an anarchy symbol is drawn there instead, leading me to believe that Johnny is just using militech to attack arasaka. He’s an opportunist
he definitely knew, since it doesn't seem like Morgan was keeping it secret, and plus everyone would have known by that time that he was a Militech man. Johnny was an extremist, though. if he could use one corp to attack another, why not? you can't fight a corp as powerful as Arasaka with just anger and a bad attitude.
Johnny was a known militech merc. He had his connections still from back when he was in the army. He likes to play the total anarchist because, well, it's Johnny. As Alt said; "you're no rocker boy, Johnny. You're the same as those on the street frothing at the mouth screaming *death to Arasaka*." Meaning he basically has a lot more in common with Jerry the hobo.
How old would Morgan be in the time of the Red? If he was in the army in the 80's (let's say he joined at 18). Wouldn't that put him in his 60's at the time of 2020 and 80's in the Red?
definitely a lot older than Rouge and Johnny(who if I recall was in his 30's at the time of his death in 2023) But this is of course Cyberpunk, a world where rejuvenation treatments and cybernetics can massively extend your life. Rouge looks closer to 50 than her actual age of pushing 80, and Shinobu Arasaka was over 150 years old(and didn't seem to use much if any cybernetics) So long as he's willing to use implants and the like, he could vert well still be a prime combatant even if he's 100. assuming he even wants to fight, that is, and doesn't just choose to serve as an advisor, planner etc
@Gyrfalcon312 Medical science in general is just crazy good in the Cyberpunk universe, even without the whole cybernetics side of things. Just think how much longer we live today than say 300 or so years ago, and much of the advancement we benefit from now happened around and just after WW2.
I think if Smasher survived then Morgan Blackhand would as well if they were both the top 2 mercs on the planet. Rogue managed to escape and survive until 2077 so Blackhand could. I think him and Johnny will team up again through V for a special op for the NUSA president. Maybe that space shuttle was brought down in an attempted coup and they think the president is dead but the president survived and they are keeping it quiet until they have neutralised the threat. The NUSA is backed by Militech so Blackhand would be part of that.
16:19 well when you meet with alt in 2077, if you tell alt you saw johnnys memories she talks about how you saw “his subjective account of what happened” and said his mind has warped the events into something that didn’t actually happen. i dont think we should be trusting johnnies memories for any of these events
Accurate because we know from in lore that johnny was basically one shot by smasher si there's no way we should be seeing from Johnny's perspective him getting rolled out of arasaka especially with the fact that it was literally nuked yet you could still see the building in full completion no damage afterwards, and his dialogue in the chair with saburo just does not at all seem like the johnny we know from v's perspective
Given V's natural abilities, what if during phantom liberty, we find out that V is Blackhand's illegitimate kid? V has the leadership skills, the merc skills, the ability to withstand massive amounts of cyberware (given that it's possible to max out your cyberware in act 1). Just a speculation.
@@AlexJones-ex8ox Still kinda goofy that the intro of the game directly mentions him as a dead legend, and he doesn't have his own drink. It's the entire theme of the bar.
Anyone that knows the true sequence of events from the tabletop game would recognize that Johnny's "memories" from CP2077 are more inline with Morgan Blackhand's. Morgan was the one who set the bomb, and Morgan was the one who fought Smasher on the rooftop. Johnny actually died like a bitch in some crappy computer lab. Spider Murphy slotted him with Soulkiller, but couldn't retrieve his engram since her datacase was damaged, and his body was just left in the tower. My personal take on it is, since Johnny was technically dead when slotted with SK, the program couldn't copy the parts of his brain that stopped functioning. His engram was incomplete. Morgan was then captured, likely by Smasher, and Soulkilled (e.g. - the scene of "Johnny" in the chair) and his memories/personality used to fill in the blanks of Johnny's engram. A couple interesting tidbits to support this claim... all the artwork of Silverhand from the ttrpg shows him as clean-shaven, with Morgan always rocking stubble or a beard. Yet in 2077, Johnny "remembers" himself as having a beard. Also, Johnny's (Keano's) voice sounds nothing like the guy singing those Samurai songs; the voice V is hearing might actually be what Blackhand sounded like. There might be a couple other things, but I don't have enough time invested in CP2077 to find them. Still, it's some food for thought.
something that actually makes more stronger your theory is that, at the starts of the development, morgan was actually the one being the engram in your head
Morgan Blackhand would've been Cyberpunk's Geralt of Rivia. It'll be funny to think that CDPR wanted Mike Pondsmith's IP because of the similarities between the two then would agree that Blackhand would never appear in the game
I think its worth mentioning: Just because Johnny doesnt remember his death quite correctly, doesnt make him less badass. When he faced Smasher, he did it probably knowing full well he was going to die. He bought his friends time so that they could live. Its true his narcissism twisted those memories over time but lets congratulate him on having brass balls in that moment.
While I'm not sure if it would be difficult or not, i feel like they could get Clint Eastwood to play Morgan, or maybe model him after a young Eastwood.
Love your videos! Hot take, phantom liberty is Morgans re surface back in 2077 and he's ready to finish smasher because he lived when V melted him down (PL's hook), and hes going to continue the fight on Arasaka and restore a phantoms past of liberty. He was alive in the early times and probably wants a call to arms of liberty. Very basic assumption tho.
I wish Morgan had a quest line toward the end of the game where he comes out of hiding to train V to fight Adam Smasher. He’d basically be the Landon Ricketts to V’s John Marston
2:36 As someone who races real cars- please avoid having G fuel during strenuous activities, even if its just gokarts :) Drink water and get proper sleep.
Hopefully we get to see more Blackhand in the next Cyberpunk game if not in the current Cyberpunk 2077. Though I’m pretty sure that game is at least a whole console generation away🤷♂️😂
When he mentions about Morgan confronting a few maelstroms he should of continued the scene with the leader, but the video is still perfect without it.
Bruh, he is still a badass and his development was really good in 2077 even tho its not the real him, you gotta accept OG Johnny was a real big egomaniac. He was a rockerboy through and through, not a pure merc like Morgan.
Most likely outcome is that since devs were rushed last minute to finish the game (yk the infamous, really buggy launch of Cyberpunk 2077?), they decided to throw Morgan Blackhand out of story. Well, they had his model and they needed to save time and didn’t want to make a new model for Mr. Blue eyes. They just used his model since he wasn’t gonna be in game anyways.
Yeah that crime in Japan time was most likely a doppelganger. There's a johnny silverhand doppelganger in a mission that's dead and you need to grab gps coordinates off him. People in night city seem to try and replicate past legends in every way
This game man. The bugs are almost endearing at this point. Dedicated fan delivers a serious monologue about the history of Morgan Blackhand - Militech mech hovering in place on screen. Good video though, dude.
My theory is Morgan is alive and Rogue knows and is keeping it under wraps, it's hinted at she has a child, she even says so, but doesn't talk about it. What if Morgan Blackhand is the father!? And will end up poping up, assuming they do more games
the DLC honestly feels like the perfect excuse to bring in Blackhand. it's hinted he moved on to government affiliation, and the DLC is all about V working with the NUSA
It is interesting that you speak abt tv news report that we find in the game. Somebody with black hand cybernetics kills Lazarus agents, Lazarus corporation is not seen in Cyberpunk2077 game at all. They are a military corp working close with Militech in the lore. Now watch Phantom Liberty expansion trailers. We fight some new military faction there. It doesnt look like Militech. Lazarus corp confirmed in Phantom Liberty ???
Plot Twist: Morgan survived the falling but Smasher didn't So Arasaka used some kind of proto-biochip-shenenigans to implant Smasher consciousness into Morgan's brain and reconstruct him as Smasher 2.0
If Morgan was still alive he would be over 100 years old since you said he hit adulthood in the 1980s. Bros oughta be more chrome than Adam smasher to still be kicking at that age and tons of chrome was never his style. But we don’t know what happened after the bomb on the tower. He might’ve needed the chrome then to survive the fall
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Blackhand definitely survived the tower cez Smasher would be bragging for sure if he killed him
he would be bragging about it 54 years later to V who never really knew anything about him and only heard his name from jackie and claire?
@@sneaky5141absolutely
@@sneaky5141
More that he would have been extremely public about it. If Smasher knew Blackhand was dead he would have told anyone and everyone to show his superiority.
@@sneaky5141v knows about backhand. Jackie’s few conversations with him describe him as one of their idols. Afterlife has a drink after him
@@garrus6000Actually the Afterlife does not have a drink named after Morgan Blackhand cuz Jackie mention that and Claire even Confirms that when she makes a commet bout Blackhand cant decide if he is alive or dead
Johnny wasn't saved by Morgan, Johnny was cut in half by Smasher and Spider Murphy saved him with the engram provided by Alt. Johnny effectively died in the tower quite unheroically and it is why he has such a vendetta against Smasher, even if he doesn't remember the true reason as to why.
Wait so arasaka didn’t turn Johnny into an engram?
@@lel_trel1744 A large chunk of Johnny's memories are a delusion he came up with since he is a narcissist. The game tells you they are not accurate while the tabletop game and Mike Pondsmith, who covers the time up until the game, tells the real story.
@@cannedhamsters damn thanks dude I never knew that
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so spider murphy put him on soulkiller , and arasaka manage to catch him ?
If Morgan Blackhand was indeed apart of the Arasaka crew, and he as well as Spider Murphy were the ones who saved Johnny and turned him into an Engram, it's very possible they changed Johnny's memories to help keep it as a black ops mission with no info leaks. This would also let Morgan fade into obscurity.
Its said by the lead dev of cyberpunk that Johnny is a very unreliable narrator. His narcicism probably factors into him making himself seem more badass after 54 years of being an engram
@@RedSon-X21 sometimes I wonder if they made it too easy to hate Johnny.
i think morgan did some fixes on the engram like reznov brainwashed mason in black ops and that's why we were forced to met him as mr. blue eyes it was all a part of his big evil plan w/ alpha centauri A.I. behind the establishment
@@RedSon-X21 that is bad explanation, Arasaka would have tech to see the truth in Johnny memories. He cant just block reality out of it.
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009Memories are made up mainly of imagination, since you're only remembering what you felt whenever you "remember" something. If Johnny spent that much time just cycling through his emotions and the raid, he was bound to cloud his own memory, digital or not. Also, this is a fictional universe, any explanation is a good one if you can link pieces together yourself
I am thinking even if we don't get a Solid Morgan clue in the DLC it's all most but confirmed he is going to play a major role in the next Cyberpunk title.
I kinda hope not, the 2077 easter egg is enough and keeps him mysterious after the arasaka nuke
@@zXPeterz14 yeah I feel he is Mikes Pondsmiths golden character and won't let any other writer touch him/write a new story for him. Hopefully that means Mike plays a bigger role in story structuring of the new title if he is up for the idea who knows
The next cyberpunk game in 15 years
I think he's Mr. Blue Eyes.
I think he’s Idris Elba’s character
Mike Pondsmith did confirm Blackhand wont appear in PL, apparently he still wants to finish his story with it being his own tabletop character its understandable the character means a lot to him and he wants to do it right, however there is a chance we could hear something about him in it but i can see it being just a little reference because they will of course keep his identity a secret.
Morgan Blackhand could easily be the protagonist of the Dos Equis commercial. "They say he saved Kerry Eurodyne without firing a single shot. His adversaries were so impressed that they changed their ways and lived a decent life. He is the most interesting man in the world... In 2020, his book, "The Enforcer's Handbook", had sold over one million copies. The entire solo profession was improved by its release. He is the most interesting man in the world..."
This proves that Johnny's flashbacks are DEFINITELY non-canon, and like other freshly dead folks thrown into Soulkiller, his memories are fragmented and incomplete. His narcissism probably filled the blanks himself, based on his own ego, his hatred for Arasaka, and his love of action movies (Bushido X, anyone?)
it's not so much non-cannon as just missing parts and edited. the overall framework is probably true, but it's poorly remembered and parts were changed or omitted.
I mean we know arasaka had the relic I wouldn't be surprised if they altered his memories.
Johnny is a d*** not a narcissist. Big difference
Sometimes I like to think he died when the Arasaka tower got bombed. Emphasis on Died. Like the name died but not him. He left the game, made his legend, and took on a different alias.
yeah......idris elba...
@@danielhogan6255Pondsmith already confirmed that Idris's character isn't Morgan.
.. as Morgan blackface
I love how Militech and Arasaka are so unique and different in their own ways. Where Arasaka keeps Adam Smasher’s PS2 memory disk in their pocket and uses him whenever they need to deploy a walking atrocity, Militech’s poster child is hailed for not taking lives unless necessary. Not that that makes the corp any better, but it’s interesting they aren’t going for a murder machine slugging match. Suppose the world has endured enough apocalyptic events
I mean we don't know exactly what happened but in the tabletop it was Morgan's bomb the one that went off (provided to him by Militech), it wasn't Johnny that bombed NC as much as the game wants you to believe that.
We know for sure Johnny recollection of events are not what he thinks, Alt mentioned so my guess is, Spider and Blackhand put him into soul killer before he died and twist the events for two reasons, Johnny would have love to be the martyr who died facing the corpos and second and most important, it was blackops so the leader Morgan Blackhand needed to be out of the picture to cut any ties back to Militech so all the blame went straight to Silverhand and Arasaka would never know who provided the tactical nuke
If Morgan isn't talked about in Phantom Liberty, there's still a chance that he might be seen in Orion, the sequel to 2077.
What is Orion?
@@ct9564Probably the sequel to 2077…
@@mellowvalentine9354 But by asking, I mean like, where was this ever mentioned?
@@ct9564 have you looked it up yet?
@@ct9564google is free
i feel if they got Keanu to play Johnny Silverhand i really think they should get Jon Berthal (the punisher) to play Blackhand
Blackhand is old. I think Brad Pitt would be good
I belive that would be dope tbh
Kiefer Sutherland
Harrison Ford.
@@kalikombatives3608 Big Boss. Seems fitting.
I remember way back when cp2077 was first announced and the life paths they had, had you "choose your hero". I wish they had kept that in and expanded on it.
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It's also interesting that in Johnny's memory, Adam Smasher sure isn't wearing a DaiOni suit either.
CDPR just changed lore and now they say it is all Johnny bad memories to save their ass.
@@sillylittlesheepjax6009The game explictly states that Johnny's memories are inaccurate.
@@cynicalmemester1694ehh not completely. Cause Vik says Johnny was the one that blew up arasaka tower. The public would think it’s Johnny. Rogue doesn’t even say V is lying when they say Johnny died in front of her eyes.
@@torikaash2143 Johnny did blow up Arasaka tower but he didn't actually cause the building to be destroyed, his team were given firebombs to send down to Mikoshi while the nuke was given to Morgan Blackhand's team.
Rogue did see Johnny die in front of her eyes when Adam Smasher shot him in half with his shotgun.
@@cynicalmemester1694 I’m guessing I’m confused cause in the game it shows rogue wasn’t there
Johnny doesn't mention him because he doesn't share the spotlight, so I have always believed that the engram Johnny edited him out of the whole thing so he could be the center of attention. The main focus.
My favorite quote from Blackhand: I like a micromissile launcher with an under rifle microwaver. I call it shake and bake.
I think it's hinted at that Morgan Blackhand, albeitly very very loosely, is behind the memory tampering of the Perelez's. So it's also likely that Johnny's memory was altered in order to cover up the government's involvement and make it so when Arosaka interrogated Johnn'y engram, they'd only get the image of a terrorist act. Could also explain why Johnny's engram was top shelf and was regarded as special from other engrams. Maybe Arasaka knew the memory had been tampered with and were keeping it in hopes of getting the truth?
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Wonder if Johnny's unreliable narrative is a MGSV scenario his delusion is a deliberate ploy to protect Morgan - the real "Big Boss" - from Arasaka discovery.
it'd be interesting if there actually was some sort of mental block put on the team's cyberware that blocked off certain things in the case of capture. it apparently wasn't exactly obvious who did it, because in the flashback the interrogators are demanding Johnny tell them where he got the nuke from.
unreliable narrator or not, that'd be a weird thing for him to add in himself. it implies Arasaka really didn't know who was pulling the strings
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I always figured the legend that Johnny was behind the tower attack instead of Morgan Blackhand was Militech trying to distance themselves from the event after the fact. 50 years isn't a long time but you can rewrite a lot of history in that short period of time with the influence and resources at Militech's disposal, especially with all of the chaos going on during the time of the red
Look at Japan and ww2 ifs real easy to do. Barely a Japanese person alive who understands what they did in the war.
I hope we get to meet morgan blackhand in the phantom liberty dlc,and i agree i belive the interaction with silverhand and blackhand is going to be a crazy one.
Morgan Blackhand, Johnny Silverhand, what's next Tucker Copperhand, Sandy Bluehand?
Great lore video, I hope you do one on the band members and their music career in Samurai. 🗡️
I want more background on the legends, especially Bartmoss.
Would love a Cyberpunk prequel where you play as Morgan Blackhand (not a player character like V) and go toe to toe with Smasher throughout the 4th corporate war!
Except they pretty much went in circles around each other their feud was one sided with Smasher. They didn’t finally face off face to face until the arasaka nuke mission. We really wouldn’t face smasher until about the end of the game again lol
@@Reese91momo That's true. However with the right storytelling they could make it compelling. Fighting smasher in 2077 was so underwhelming. Not the fight itself but it felt like Smasher was just an afterthought, he was not directly involved in the story at all except for the beginning and end.
There should have been one more major mission involving Smasher directly, or at least had him more involved as an antagonist.
@@seanfoley974 this I agree with he was always spoke up rarely as this boogeymen of night city though we become aware of his legit existence through evelyn “you look like a fuckable piece of meat” lol I’d shit myself if smasher said that to me lol
@@Reese91momo That was a good scene I wish there was another that showed off his combat abilities, perhaps having a scene where you witness him in action. Hell even a mission where you go to the aftermath of an area Smasher was in and as a detective you could see his brutality before directly fighting him at the end.
@@seanfoley974 yeah it would’ve helped with the overall final fight. Imagine going to a sight where smasher was active and viewing the one of the computers Smasher just going on a rampage against any opposition including killing some of his own people because as we know smasher only cares about how carnage he can cause
God, I hope we get more information in the DLC. It’s like we are missing a big ass plot hole with 2077 cause of the distance it makes with the solos in universe
I think Karl Urban could play an old Blackhand in Orion.
A platoon style short series of the south american war in cyberpunk followin a squad of nusa soldiers stranded in the jungle trying not to die from their cyberpyscho commander would be crazy good.
I believe he was a lead..,
he just lead his half.
Morgan handled the rest.
and tbh.., who can dictate what Adam decides to target..,
He can hate Johnny..,
but have uncontrollable processing throttling in the presence of Morgan black hand.
It'd be great to get a game or DLC devoted to Johnny and Morgan's early days
In Cyberpunk edgerunners, David's crew is tasked with the extraction of a VIP who has been kidnapped by the booster gang the Maelstrom. When they arrive to the Totentanz, David and his crew fight off the Maelstrom members and come face to face with a cyberpshycho, presumably Hammer, the founder of the gang. After beating him, they rescue the VIP, a girl named Isabella Morgan. Upon finding her, David informs her that her father has sent them to recue her. Out of all posible surnames to give to a random character why choose the one shared by the most famous merc of Nightcity? To me this is some sort of easter egg
It's a cool theory!
I still have a feeling what he would rescue her himself tho, legend merc and all that
the last name "Morgan" is as common as "Martinez" for the hispanic people.
Man, I want a TV show about cyberpunk so bad. Morgan Blackhand story would be so fun to watch. If they do it right.
So did Johnny know it was a militech operation? I feel like he wouldn’t want to carry out an op for a corp, but maybe he just hated Arasaka more and decided to work with militech
So I just saw this on my most recent replay of the game, but when Johnny is getting on the chopper to go to arasaka, there’s a militech logo that’s crossed out and an anarchy symbol is drawn there instead, leading me to believe that Johnny is just using militech to attack arasaka. He’s an opportunist
pretty sure he knew yeah, he was just there to blow up Arasaka's database though in order for him to get Alt out after the events of Never Fade Away.
he definitely knew, since it doesn't seem like Morgan was keeping it secret, and plus everyone would have known by that time that he was a Militech man.
Johnny was an extremist, though. if he could use one corp to attack another, why not? you can't fight a corp as powerful as Arasaka with just anger and a bad attitude.
While Johnny is against all corporations in general, he has a personal grudge with Arasaka so he would take any opportunity to strike at them
Johnny was a known militech merc. He had his connections still from back when he was in the army.
He likes to play the total anarchist because, well, it's Johnny. As Alt said; "you're no rocker boy, Johnny. You're the same as those on the street frothing at the mouth screaming *death to Arasaka*."
Meaning he basically has a lot more in common with Jerry the hobo.
Johny being killed as if he were fodder or a side character is crazy. I was caught up in his supreme confidence lol im shocked
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Cringe
Aren't those dudes like, coca cola level racist?
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WiseFish, if you had to pick a fish which fish would you be?
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@@WiseFish modern warfare or black ops?
I feel like morgan blackhand reads like solid snake lmao
How old would Morgan be in the time of the Red? If he was in the army in the 80's (let's say he joined at 18). Wouldn't that put him in his 60's at the time of 2020 and 80's in the Red?
Yep
definitely a lot older than Rouge and Johnny(who if I recall was in his 30's at the time of his death in 2023)
But this is of course Cyberpunk, a world where rejuvenation treatments and cybernetics can massively extend your life. Rouge looks closer to 50 than her actual age of pushing 80, and Shinobu Arasaka was over 150 years old(and didn't seem to use much if any cybernetics)
So long as he's willing to use implants and the like, he could vert well still be a prime combatant even if he's 100. assuming he even wants to fight, that is, and doesn't just choose to serve as an advisor, planner etc
@Gyrfalcon312 Medical science in general is just crazy good in the Cyberpunk universe, even without the whole cybernetics side of things. Just think how much longer we live today than say 300 or so years ago, and much of the advancement we benefit from now happened around and just after WW2.
I think if Smasher survived then Morgan Blackhand would as well if they were both the top 2 mercs on the planet. Rogue managed to escape and survive until 2077 so Blackhand could.
I think him and Johnny will team up again through V for a special op for the NUSA president. Maybe that space shuttle was brought down in an attempted coup and they think the president is dead but the president survived and they are keeping it quiet until they have neutralised the threat. The NUSA is backed by Militech so Blackhand would be part of that.
I would love one on Bartmoss or Spider!
16:19 well when you meet with alt in 2077, if you tell alt you saw johnnys memories she talks about how you saw “his subjective account of what happened” and said his mind has warped the events into something that didn’t actually happen. i dont think we should be trusting johnnies memories for any of these events
Accurate because we know from in lore that johnny was basically one shot by smasher si there's no way we should be seeing from Johnny's perspective him getting rolled out of arasaka especially with the fact that it was literally nuked yet you could still see the building in full completion no damage afterwards, and his dialogue in the chair with saburo just does not at all seem like the johnny we know from v's perspective
Absolutely gobsmacked that Blackhand wasn't involved in phantom liberty
Given V's natural abilities, what if during phantom liberty, we find out that V is Blackhand's illegitimate kid? V has the leadership skills, the merc skills, the ability to withstand massive amounts of cyberware (given that it's possible to max out your cyberware in act 1). Just a speculation.
Then this sounds like when we're in the pov of Johnny raiding the Tower, its actually Morgan we're playing as.
Never would have thought you’d raced go karts. I have a massive love for racing and video games so I think that is so cool you do also.
So he’s basically the Big Boss/Venom Snake of Cyberpunk.
Great video. Hope to see more!
For whatever reason, Weyland Boa Boa, who _is_ confirmed to be dead, doesn't have his own drink in The Afterlife either.
Might did not die in a mission
Maybe he was in AA and couldn’t drink anymore lol
@@AlexJones-ex8ox Still kinda goofy that the intro of the game directly mentions him as a dead legend, and he doesn't have his own drink. It's the entire theme of the bar.
@@0mniscient1 im highly sure there is, i swear theres a boa boa drink
@@Vznti Nope. I have around 200 hours of playtime now and the only named drinks are the David Martinez, the Johnny Silverhand and the Jackie Welles.
Anyone that knows the true sequence of events from the tabletop game would recognize that Johnny's "memories" from CP2077 are more inline with Morgan Blackhand's.
Morgan was the one who set the bomb, and Morgan was the one who fought Smasher on the rooftop. Johnny actually died like a bitch in some crappy computer lab. Spider Murphy slotted him with Soulkiller, but couldn't retrieve his engram since her datacase was damaged, and his body was just left in the tower.
My personal take on it is, since Johnny was technically dead when slotted with SK, the program couldn't copy the parts of his brain that stopped functioning. His engram was incomplete. Morgan was then captured, likely by Smasher, and Soulkilled (e.g. - the scene of "Johnny" in the chair) and his memories/personality used to fill in the blanks of Johnny's engram.
A couple interesting tidbits to support this claim... all the artwork of Silverhand from the ttrpg shows him as clean-shaven, with Morgan always rocking stubble or a beard. Yet in 2077, Johnny "remembers" himself as having a beard. Also, Johnny's (Keano's) voice sounds nothing like the guy singing those Samurai songs; the voice V is hearing might actually be what Blackhand sounded like. There might be a couple other things, but I don't have enough time invested in CP2077 to find them. Still, it's some food for thought.
something that actually makes more stronger your theory is that, at the starts of the development, morgan was actually the one being the engram in your head
knew of the guy in the game but not his lore funny enough. the setting is pretty cool and glad it became a video game
Morgan's plot armor is stronger than Batman
Morgan Blackhand would've been Cyberpunk's Geralt of Rivia. It'll be funny to think that CDPR wanted Mike Pondsmith's IP because of the similarities between the two then would agree that Blackhand would never appear in the game
I think its worth mentioning: Just because Johnny doesnt remember his death quite correctly, doesnt make him less badass. When he faced Smasher, he did it probably knowing full well he was going to die. He bought his friends time so that they could live. Its true his narcissism twisted those memories over time but lets congratulate him on having brass balls in that moment.
I just read a shard about him! Damn so glad I found this. Great vid n channel! Binging your vids now lol
I love how he says Arasaka 😆
While I'm not sure if it would be difficult or not, i feel like they could get Clint Eastwood to play Morgan, or maybe model him after a young Eastwood.
Love your videos! Hot take, phantom liberty is Morgans re surface back in 2077 and he's ready to finish smasher because he lived when V melted him down (PL's hook), and hes going to continue the fight on Arasaka and restore a phantoms past of liberty. He was alive in the early times and probably wants a call to arms of liberty. Very basic assumption tho.
Is it just me does he kind of look like big boss from metal gear?
I've got an odd feeling that the DLC is going to have something to do with Edgerunners
I wish Morgan had a quest line toward the end of the game where he comes out of hiding to train V to fight Adam Smasher. He’d basically be the Landon Ricketts to V’s John Marston
Am I the only one that thinks Morgan Black hand looks like Billy Butcher from the Boys comic?
2:36 As someone who races real cars- please avoid having G fuel during strenuous activities, even if its just gokarts :)
Drink water and get proper sleep.
Nothing but questions and more left...so strange.
I LOVE phatom liberty but I was hoping Morgan blackhand would make an appearance. Maybe in another dlc or something 🤞🏼
I was really hoping to see blackhand in the dlc. Missed opportunity imo. Phantom Liberty was fantastic regardless.
My God I like the way you do these videos dude. Keep it up 👍
Hopefully we get to see more Blackhand in the next Cyberpunk game if not in the current Cyberpunk 2077.
Though I’m pretty sure that game is at least a whole console generation away🤷♂️😂
When he mentions about Morgan confronting a few maelstroms he should of continued the scene with the leader, but the video is still perfect without it.
One letter…V! That’s what makes a legend.
sadly the creator of the cyberpunk universes confirmed that Blackhand won't be in the DLC
Aw man now my favorite character Johnny got turned into the most underwhelming uninteresting goofy side character
Bruh, he is still a badass and his development was really good in 2077 even tho its not the real him, you gotta accept OG Johnny was a real big egomaniac. He was a rockerboy through and through, not a pure merc like Morgan.
Morgan will be back for the ttrpg, Mike Pondsmith is saving him for something
There's a theory that Morgan's become Mr. Blue Eyes. Taken over by a rogue AI.
Most likely outcome is that since devs were rushed last minute to finish the game (yk the infamous, really buggy launch of Cyberpunk 2077?), they decided to throw Morgan Blackhand out of story. Well, they had his model and they needed to save time and didn’t want to make a new model for Mr. Blue eyes. They just used his model since he wasn’t gonna be in game anyways.
@@aifialt695 Definitely possible, you're right
I always felt Jeffrey Dean Anderson (Neagan) would nake a great morgan blackhand in a film or a tv series
@Gyrfalcon312 I was going to put Morgan, but for some odd reason I thought it was too convenient 😆 🤣
To be fair johnny was high
What’s the next franchise you plan to cover WiseFish?
Currently playing through Dead Space so hoping to cover that
Yeah that crime in Japan time was most likely a doppelganger. There's a johnny silverhand doppelganger in a mission that's dead and you need to grab gps coordinates off him. People in night city seem to try and replicate past legends in every way
It was and wasn't a surrender, never fade away
Haaaa i love that they have basically a hitman award. Wonder what the categories are like most artistic kill or something the mind boggles.
Jonny and morgan are in the same engram conjoined at the hip
This game man. The bugs are almost endearing at this point. Dedicated fan delivers a serious monologue about the history of Morgan Blackhand - Militech mech hovering in place on screen. Good video though, dude.
My theory is Morgan is alive and Rogue knows and is keeping it under wraps, it's hinted at she has a child, she even says so, but doesn't talk about it. What if Morgan Blackhand is the father!? And will end up poping up, assuming they do more games
the DLC honestly feels like the perfect excuse to bring in Blackhand. it's hinted he moved on to government affiliation, and the DLC is all about V working with the NUSA
The father is Santiago
He will never show up in a video game ever
I wish there was more lore for Shaitan.
It is interesting that you speak abt tv news report that we find in the game. Somebody with black hand cybernetics kills Lazarus agents, Lazarus corporation is not seen in Cyberpunk2077 game at all. They are a military corp working close with Militech in the lore. Now watch Phantom Liberty expansion trailers. We fight some new military faction there. It doesnt look like Militech. Lazarus corp confirmed in Phantom Liberty ???
Awesome vid!!
I wanna play as a soldier during the 2nd and 4th corpo war.
Bro died of old age😂
I'm fairly certain that Mr hands is Morgan blackhand which is why he hides his face.
Next video should be about the corporate wars
Already done it my friend :)
@@WiseFish I bought the game buy barley played it. These make me want to get back in it
So my theory is that Blackhand ends up training V in the next game.
been waiting for this thank fish
ow by the way wean are we gane hear more of wolf queen of solitude?
Plot Twist: Morgan survived the falling but Smasher didn't
So Arasaka used some kind of proto-biochip-shenenigans to implant Smasher consciousness into Morgan's brain and reconstruct him as Smasher 2.0
Wow this is totally different from the trip portrayed in the game
Is the helmet at 0:07 one you can equip? I've been wanting a full faced visor helmet like that since forever
If Morgan was still alive he would be over 100 years old since you said he hit adulthood in the 1980s. Bros oughta be more chrome than Adam smasher to still be kicking at that age and tons of chrome was never his style. But we don’t know what happened after the bomb on the tower. He might’ve needed the chrome then to survive the fall
why didn't he work in the demolitions sector or in mining since they both use explosives
Gfuel seems to influence alot on the legend of Morgan Blackhand