Installing an Android Head Unit in a Mercedes S-Class (W220 Facelift)
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- In this video, I’ll be covering the process of installing a Seicane Android head unit in a 2004 Mercedes-Benz S500 (facelift W220).
You can watch my review of this unit here: • Mercedes S-Class Andro...
If you have a pre-facelift car (1999-2002 with the previous fiber optic system), I have an install video here: • Installing an XTRONS A...
Link to the jumper wires I used for the CAN bus connection (Amazon affiliate link):
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Link to the radio I installed - You will need to select the option to add the fiber optic (MOST) box. I recommend the 8 core CPU option for better processing power:
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Fiber optic decoder box: www.seicane.co...
For pre-facelift cars, a different converter box exists, but requires a few more connections.
If you have any questions about the process, leave me a comment!
For everyone who's been trying to install a radio in a pre-facelift S-Class (1999-2002) with D2B, I've figured it out!
I made an install video you can watch here: th-cam.com/video/ItEM4dxqeh8/w-d-xo.html
Great video. Finally someone posted a video about the W220 on how to install and after market radio. I did this install myself a couple of years ago. 2 tips for you. You can disregard them for you don’t like them. 1- you don’t have to go to the canbus distribution block if you don’t like to run the wires and remove the plastics. The faster and easier way is to tap into the harness for the AC switch panel which is right below the radio. You will find 2 twisted wires there for canbus high and low colored brown and red/brown. By tapping to those 2 wires you will be connected to the can-bus system and it will work fine. At least for me it did work fine and saved me about 30min to 1 hour or installation. 2- as far as the radio antenna goes, you have to buy an antenna extension cable which is sold separately for these cars and has a OE connector. I believe the length of the antenna extender cable is about 6-7 meters long which translates to 20-24 feet, not sure of the exact length. Or put an aftermarket antenna but I doubt it will work as good as the OE one. Now all it’s left is to figure out the best way to mount a back up camera. There are a couple of ways but still not sure which one is the fastest and cleanest way. Looking forward for you to post a video about that install. Great video again. Thank you for posting.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I ended up tapping into the distribution block for the CAN bus since I wasn't sure if it would interfere with signal to tap in to another system's wires, but it's good to hear that's a viable option! I may try out an aftermarket radio antenna down the road, but for now I use android auto anyway. I'm not sure I feel up to running a wire through to the trunk just yet.
I have installed a backup camera nice and cleanly, but I need to refine and test something before filming anything about that install. I'll also be installing a dashcam, and filming a review of the head unit down the line too!
Why not use the one of the Seicane recommended WiFi Wireless Night Vision Camera, which eliminates routing wiring from HU to Camera?
Where does the OEM HU receive the Hard Wired Roof Mounted Antenna?
Why would it not just be a unplug and replug into the Seicane HU?
@@eugenewong504 because the radio Antea doesn’t have a wire in the back of the original HU. It’s in the left side of the trunk by the unit amplifier. So you need an antenna extension from the trunk to the Seicane HU. At least for USA it’s setup like this. I hear that for the other markets the antenna it’s not in the trunk but in the back of the OE unit.
CAN Bus Wiring... not yet mentioned...it is assumed these two wires do not carry a constant signal or voltage or current that adds additional loads to either side of their connections. If so, it would create added loads to either connected sides. And, may potentially develop, effect or create overcurrent and or short circuit issues? Agreed? Or, not an issue?
Total game changer! Always thought i had to run wires back to the amp like others but this method is waaaay better. Thanks man
Thanks for watching!
If you have any tips for sound can you please share because I’ve install radio and I’ve never got any sound
You can also go wireless with a new amp in the trunk and a Bluetooth adapter to pair with the new android radio
@@CL500MBZ hold on……..I’m having trouble with installing my radio with not getting any sound
Thanks for posting this! I didn't know you could use the canbus distribution block under the dash. I'll finally be able to use my steering wheel controls with my head unit.
Thank you for doing the best video about w220 I ever seen on TH-cam!!!
Thank you!
Normally one should connect a blue wire (from the car) to the antenna power pin from the radio. Otherwise, FM reception might be pretty bad since the antenna amplifier of the car is not activated. EDIT: Apparently on the W220 there is no antenna cable for the radio anyhow (it plugs into the amplifier/audiogateway in the trunk); hence activating the antenna amplifier wouldn't help. For those working on different models (e.g., W209) that have an antenna cable to plug into the radio, what I wrote above applies.
If you get the correct cables its just plug and play into the original cables behind the head unit. no cutting, no fuss.
Your video is much more helpful than any other source! Does the CANBUS green and green/black wires from the radio power harness, or the 2 wires that come off the CANBUS decoder? The ones off the harness are labeled for speakers...
Thank you! The CAN Bus wires you need to connect to the car come off the decoder harness
Thank u for posting this great job.
I have 2004 s350 so l hope i can do this.
You're welcome!
It should work for you since it's the same year as mine, and you can remove your current radio to make sure everything looks the same (and become more comfortable with the process!)
Thank you very much for this video, bro. Great!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Now I know how to do it too!!!!
Great video. I just wanted to ask if you will be making another video for a rear view camera etc. Thanks and advance.
Yes, I plan to show a few more things like how I chose to run my camera, USB cables, and a review!
Easiest and straight forward video, Thankyou. I need one of these units, what model and make is it and where to purchase from ? Thanks
Thank you! The radio is from Seicane, I put a link in the description for the same radio I used. I got the 8 core option, and selected the optical converter box for my model year.
Why the 8 core versus the 4 core?
Typically it does not make a difference, but I got the faster processor just in case.
that actually looks very clean for aftermarket. does the navigation still work?
Thanks! The new head unit has its own GPS app built in, though I use Google Maps in Android Auto. You do lose the dashboard navigation information since that ties into the original unit.
Looks great, really similar to stock. Is this headunit carplay compatible? What do you think of the quality in general?
Yes, I chose it because it looks close to factory and keeps the original wood trim! The head unit is Carplay compatible as well.
The build quality is good! The only thing is that I needed to file a few parts for proper fit (as I showed in the video). Sound is great, and the radio starts up pretty quickly. After the install, all the steering wheel controls worked automatically which was great.
@@frenchineer what unit is this please provide location and list for purchase if possible
Hey! Not sure if this is a Seicane but cut I just bought a 9” HU from them and I cannot get the unit powered up. I did not connect the CAN BUS yet - do you know if that will stop the HU from powering up? Seicane is horrible with troubleshooting
You need the CAN Bus decoder connected for the unit to power up because it gets the wake up/power on signal from there.
Perfect video!
I have a 2006 S65 AMG and it looks identical to yours. I wonder if it would work?
Thank you!
It should work, but you can check the connections on the back of your factory unit to make sure it looks like what I have, and also compare with wiring harness photos for the head units you're shopping for.
Let me know how it goes!
did you do it
Hi, thanks for the video! I've got a Japanese import W220 which I believe is MOST but completely different connections to US/EU models. Did you have any trouble down the road with the fiber optic decoder? I remember reading online that some just run a wire to the amp because they claim the decoder box was not reliable.
The decoder has been working fine for me since I installed it! I know the Japanese model head units are different from the rest of the world, so it may be worth checking the connections before ordering anything. If it has MOST fiber, I think this install procedure should work.
@@frenchineer Thank you !
Outstanding video! Any tips on Mercedes Benz 2006 S350 for connecting a device?
Thank you! If you're talking about the W221 S-Class, there are options for a similar type of radio. In that case, it involves replacing the nav screen, so the completed install still looks factory! I'm not exactly sure what type of connections would have to be made. Basic research looks like it's a piggyback system that ties in to the existing system with a new screen, which could mean there's no splicing required.
I have a pre-facelift w220 and I was considering buying this. Do you know if the Seicane model integrates with your Instrument Cluster multifunction display? The multifunction display gives you navigation information from the original comand module and I dont want to lose that.
That's an interesting question, I didn't know it showed navigation information! I installed this very soon after getting the car and didn't test out the original GPS system.
Since the new head unit replaces the navigation unit, you would likely lose that functionality (Android Auto does not interface with my cluster display). Instead you would get navigation all displayed on the new unit with the new built in option, Android Auto, or Apple Carplay. It's definitely a tradeoff if you're used to the navigation info in the cluster.
@@frenchineeryeah the stock system shows a map on the head unit and actual directions on the multifunction display on the dash
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I need you to install a head unit in my 2004 S500.
That looks REALLY clean. How well does the Carplay function if you are using Apple? I have a current mid-range Pioneer 6.2" model with CarPlay in another car but it's quite laggy so I don't use it that much.
Thanks! I only use Android Auto, which works well for me. Since the head unit has an 8-core CPU and 4GB RAM, it should work well for Apple too, but I can't verify it.
@@frenchineer ah got it thanks!
I must use some cables from MOST 12-pins plug ?
Can you please provide the link or site to purchase this set up? Thanks in advance
The link to the radio is www.seicane.com/seicane-s127509-1998-2005-mercedes-benz-s-class-w220-s280-s320-s320-s400-android-dvd-gps-carro-av-sistema-com-3g-wifi-radio-rds-bluetooth-espelho-link-obd2-hd-multi-touch-screen-s127509
(also in the video description) If needed, make sure you get the right fiber optics converter as well. You'll also want to make sure you have some wiring tools and connectors for some of the connections.
@@frenchineer thanks man 💯
"What about ACC cable from headunit , where did you connect ?
For this head unit, there is no need for the ACC wire to be connected because it uses the CAN Bus decoder instead. Teh CAN Bus decoder will send a wake/sleep signal as well as other information from the car, like door open, headlight status, etc.
@@frenchineer ok thanks
Can you please specify which CAN bus convertor have you used? I am doing an upgrade to Kenwood DDx 9020dabs and I have installed the fibre optic convertor but I get no sound. I wonder if the rear amp is turned on via the CAN bus?
For this install I used the CAN bus decoder that came with my radio, but I don't know if Seicane sells it separately.
What year is your car? The pre-facelift model uses a slightly different system that does require an amp wake signal and a CD changer bypass (another commenter described what he needed to do, though he used a head unit like mine).
@@frenchineer I bought a similar android. They offered it as a Bose system replacement, yet it did not come with either a can or fiber decoder, only a 6 fy long cable to bypass the amp. Where can I get these two decoders for the Bose 2004 S430
The cable they provided would require you to make connections at the amplifier in the trunk. The fiber optic decoder that should work for yours is this one: www.seicane.com/2002-2012-mercedes-benz-e-class-w211-e200-e220-e230-e240-e270-e280-e300-e320-e350-e420-e500-e550-e55-e63-etc-car-optical-fiber-decoder-most-box-bose-harmon-kardon-audio-optic-interface-sc02 (but be sure to double check what your fiber connector looks like before ordering). You may be able to find a similar decoder from another seller/manufacturer, look for MOST box fiber optic decoder/audio optical interface.
I don't think they sell the CANbus decoder separately though, so I'm not sure what to suggest on that end.
I’m having a similar challenge, no sound. CAN bus works nicely. Fiber conversion box is warm from DC. Not sure what to try next..😢
This looks to be a better alternative to the Avin and Dynavin units for those of us who own MBs of this era. Does this unit play iPods through USB? I’m also curious what is shown on the instrument cluster as far as audio and navigation from the unit. Any insight?
I'm not sure if it plays iPods through USB, since I haven't tried it, but if you have an iPhone or Android you can use CarPlay or Android Auto, which is an even better experience!
I haven't really checked if there is any information relayed to the cluster, but I doubt there is. I will try to check and let you know soon.
@@frenchineer thanks for responding. I separately emailed seicane and they said iPod classic and touch are supported through usb. As far as the cluster, they said verbatim, “it displayed all apps for functions.” I don’t know what the hell that means but if you could let us all know your real world experience, that’s be great.
I was able to try it out today, and with a CD through the head unit's player no information was displayed on the instrument cluster. Unfortunately that's a function that is lost in the upgrade. The regular car functions like trip mpg, maintenance, etc, are unaffected of course.
If you plan on using the head unit's interface, do note that the up/down arrows on the steering wheel are intercepted as commands to the head unit (next/previous track). This does not happen with Android Auto for me though.
Hey man. I have a question on the installation in my 06 S350... I have wired everything per your video but my head unit will not fire up nor will the fibre optic decoder. Any suggestion on how to deal with this issue. Once I installed the stock head unit the unit turned on. Please advise.
Since it's not powering on, I would check your connections to power and ground. If you have a voltmeter, you can also double check the wires you are connecting to in case they are color coded differently on yours.
Nice job. About the acc red wire. The box sent that power to the radio?
Thanks! The red wire is something I added connected to the 12V power wire and that splits to both the radio and converter box. I hope that helps!
Is there a factory installed Rear View Camera cabling to easily accommodate Seicane AHD Night Vision Rear View Monitor, without requiring routing from Head Unit to the Mounted Camera, left for future Device plug-in?
Or, is new required from Head Unit to Trunk?
What is the fiber Optic Plug You show in your video, and what is the D2B Fiber Optic decoder for Mercedes Benz S430? Why are there two possible versions...applications? I have a 2004 S430 Sedan Base W220, Bose Audio and Command System. Original New Owner. No Alterations, No Modification.
Seicane recommends, Seicane Wireless Rearview Camera for aftermarket car radio #116006, Model:SC05, US$35.0
I installed a wired camera that is mounted inside the car at the top of the rear window which was fairly simple. I will be showing how it is installed and how it works in a new video where I show more about the head unit.
The fiber optic plug I show is how the original head unit sends information to the Bose amplifier located in the trunk. There are two versions available because prior to the facelift, a different fiber optics system was used, which uses a different connector. Since your car is a 2004 with bose, it should be the same fiber optic system as mine.
Where are you located? Can you upgrade my S500? Dude, that’s an awesome instruction.
Thanks! I'm on the east coast, but I actually have a lot of projects lined up (that will be coming to the channel), so unfortunately I'm not able to work on other cars. If you do decide to try it yourself, I'll be glad to answer any questions you have!
Good job
Finally a video shows how to do the canbus under the dash! I'm so afraid to do it since I can only find verbal instructions.
Hopefully I'll be able to run and trace the wires out from behind.
Does your head unit have the illumination wire? i.e. dims when headlights on?
I wonder if it will be functional when I got the canbus connected.
(FYI my W220 is slightly different with a basic Becker 10 3210 unit which has no ACC wire. I tapped it from the cigarette lighter.)
I'm glad I could help!
Regarding the illumination, this head unit processes the signal through the CAN bus decoder, so I didn't need to connect an illumination wire. It dims the display when the lights turn on and you can adjust the dimmed brightness in the Android settings.
@@frenchineer just got my hands under the dash and wala the steering control really works!
But then when I try to start the car, the ignition is locked. It is unlocked when I unplug the new wire. I tried different slots and the same happened. It works fine when I plug it back into the canbus after she starts. But it seems the car is not accepting the new connection. Is there something I missed?
That's really strange... I didn't need to do anything else than what I showed in the video (connect the decoder and run the wires to the CAN bus distribution block).
I'm not familiar with the factory head unit you mentioned in your earlier comment. What year is your car?
@@frenchineer mine is a pre facelift 2000 S320
Another commenter completed the install on a pre facelift car, and had to do a couple things with the fiber optic loop and d2b wake. The commenter is Christopher Kearney and he went into some details in one of his replies once he got it to work! I'm not sure he had the same issue but it could be a good place to start.
The only other question I can think of is which country was your car built for? Mine has a COMAND APS system, so there is a possibility there were others systems in other markets (outside the US for example) that behave a little differently.
Could we get a follow up video on this unit? Maybe a review of it and you’re thoughts after a year of ownership? I want to pull the trigger on this thanks to your video but need a review lol. Thanks boss great vid! Is yours an S600 btw?
Thank you! I am planning on another video where I'll show more (like installing a few other things and reviewing functionality). I'm really happy with it!
My car is a 2004 S500, so the installation should be the same on any of the post facelift cars.
@@frenchineer great! I’ll wait for it :D I’m in an 05 S600 with the split rear seats
Oh man that's a nice spec! I would have loved to have a V12 S class (though I do love my car). I'll let you in on something, I have a different 12 cylinder coming to the channel later this year. A little older but very cool!
@@frenchineer oh man!! I cannot wait to see it! Good stuff sir :D I’ll stay tuned
The review is uploaded! th-cam.com/video/oFiGv00S1nw/w-d-xo.html
what are you getting from the CANBUS - is there any reason I couldn't use that optical adapter and install a more mainline unit like alpine or kenwood? I realize it's only 2 channel but I assume it's just converting audio from the RCA in, not doing any amplification or anything.
I think you could use that adapter for a regular double DIN head unit, but the CAN Bus decoder does make the steering wheel controls work, allow for automatic change between light/dark modes in android auto, and shows which door is open on the head unit. I'm also not sure whether volume adjustments on the new unit are passed to the factory amplifier via the CAN Bus or if it's just via the signal level input to the fiber decoder.
If you do try it, let me know how it goes!
@@frenchineer Ooh the volume level is a good point... So i ended up buying the 9" seicane but I've never been overwhelmed by these units quality so we'll see how it goes but may end up swapping to a kenwood or something. Would be great if there were more info from Seicane on what the CAN and optical units are doing...
Yeah I agree, it would be nice to have more details on the technical side!
I'm very happy with mine, I think the only thing to note is you may get some alternator whine which can be mitigated with a ground loop isolator between the head unit and fiber optics decoder box.
One last question lol, when you get to the wires that run to the CANBUS from the CANBUS Decoder, you say it uses to wires from that harness. Green and black, and green. There are 2 green wires, does it matter which one I use?
It seems mine looks nothing like yours,even the connector is different, unsure if Seicane changed something around or not.(2006 S500)
Everything else seems to line up with the video besides this step.
Interesting about the different harness... Do you know what options your car had for it's factory audio? Mine had CD player/Tape player and navigation.
I don't think the CANbus wires are interchangeable, but you could try to connect them one way and if it doesn't work, switch them. If it's wired right, you should get a display on the head unit if a door is open, and your steering wheel volume buttons should work.
@@frenchineer I chose none of those options, just the Android Auto dongle, and yeah I tried switching them around first, to no avail. I used a non contact and they are getting power, but I couldn't get the head to turn on for anything.
For the options, I meant the factory options your car had.
That's weird, I'm not sure why it wouldn't turn on. I think it needs the canbus wires to get the power on signal though. I'm not sure what to suggest. You may be able to connect to the canbus harness in a different place, but I'm not sure which one is ideal.
Great video. I want to test the power to my unit. It won’t power on using the ground and power. Do I need to connect the canbus as well?
Thanks! Yes, for this radio the wake signal comes from the CANbus.
We’re you able to integrate the stereo with the multi function display in the gauge cluster?
Unfortunately the new radio does not integrate with the gauge cluster, so the NAV and MUSIC screens show no information.
Help lol I been at this for a while I got everything to work but no sound I can’t wake up the amp is there some other way than running a shit ton of wires?
What year is your car? I also recommend checking if your fiber optic decoder and CAN bus wires are connected correctly.
I need help, I put an android px30 model from Phoenix automotive and figured out the thing killing my battery is the unit would only go to sleep not fully turn off. It is tapped into the canbus block and the decoder box, I have lopped all the open fiber optics but it kills my car overnight. Funniest part is that when I do a draw test it's pulling nowhere near enough to kill a good battery overnight please help :)
I'm not sure what the issue could be unfortunately. The best thing I can think of is to check your main power wire source and make sure it actually stops providing power after the car is off. If you're able to get the battery tested as well it could be worth checking out too, especially if you tested the radio out without the car running recently. I hope you find a solution!
Do all your speakers work, or only 4 of them? Also what is the model of the optical converter box?
All of the speakers work! The limitation of the box is that you can't adjust the front to back volume, only left to right.
The converter box is this one: www.seicane.com/2002-2012-mercedes-benz-e-class-w211-e200-e220-e230-e240-e270-e280-e300-e320-e350-e420-e500-e550-e55-e63-etc-car-optical-fiber-decoder-most-box-bose-harmon-kardon-audio-optic-interface-sc02
It may also be available elsewhere (or an equivalent). There is also a version for pre-facelift models with the different optical connector.
Also does this method work for 2003 s500 4 matic models? I heard mine is a D2B and have concerns :(
So it looks like it's a little bit different for the 2000-2003 fiber optics, but on the Seicane page for this radio they list an option for a fiber optics conversion box for your year! Might be a couple more connections than in this install, but still simpler than running wires all the way back. If you want to be extra sure before ordering anything I'd recommend removing your radio and taking a look at the connectors to compare to the radio you're considering.
I can not find the antenna of my car to hook it up on the new radio. Do you know where is the antenna cable? Thanks. BTW, awesome video.
I'm glad the video was helpful!
Unfortunately, the way our cars are set up, there is no traditional antenna connector where the original head unit plugs in. I haven't done it yet, but I may be installing a separate antenna to get radio functionality. Otherwise it looks like the FM antenna connects to the amplifier in the rear of the car, so it may be possible to run a connection from there to the new head unit.
If there already is an OEM Antenna installed, and it plugs into a connection in the Trunk, wouldn't that mean that there is existing Antenna Wiring Cable run to the OEM HU? Then, just need to remove and replug into the New Seicane HU?
do i have to loop anything else on the fiber optic and what about the 2 green wires to the can bus under the glove compartment thank you for your help
If you have a facelift w220, there is nothing else to do for the fiber optics. If your car has the pre-facelift system, you would have to bypass the CD changer and wire up d2b wake up for the amp.
For the CAN bus, you only need to run the wires from the driver footwell to the radio's decoder.
@@frenchineer thank you I did have to remove the cd but did not have to run the van us wires it all works thanks agen
From your install it look to me as the complete stock system is untouched? Was your system before this install work just fine? I ask because my audio gate way doesn’t work and the system as a whole doesn’t work without it. It will just turn on for 10 seconds then back off. I want to just eliminate the whole system but after seeing your install it looks simple enough, so I’m debating on going this route. But I’m curious to how the audio sounds. Is all of the speakers workings normally?
My original head unit worked with no issues, and with the new system, all the speakers still work (you only lose the ability to adjust the volume fade front to back). The only thing replaced from the factory system is the head unit. This unit uses the built in fiber optics (MOST) system, so if you have an issue with that in your car the radio replacement may not fix it. It could be worth it to get a replacement gateway so you don't have to bypass the fiber optics system.
The system sounds really good, especially after making some personal adjustments to the built in equalizer since it runs through the original Bose amplifier.
@@frenchineer where would one find Zaid replacement gateway? My most system is a nightmare after the wiring to the amp damaged wires and one of the modules is bad I would love to get rid of the rats nest of wires thanks!!!
@@joebrandt8032 If there are wiring issues, I'd recommend trying to troubleshoot those as best you can. If you need a new MOST gateway module, I recommend checking out ebay or pulling one from a junkyard. If you have access to a scanner, you may be able to see if there are error codes associated with the modules in your car too.
Nice vid, any long term updates? Is it still working good?
Thanks! It's still working great. I plan to make a review video before the end of the year and show a few more things, like adding a microphone mounted to the windshield for better call quality.
@@frenchineer THANKS!! I have been debating doing it myself for a while now, I'll take this as a sign!!
Hi again! I wanted to let you know the review video is uploaded! th-cam.com/video/oFiGv00S1nw/w-d-xo.html
@@frenchineer I couldn't get it installed bro😭😭
Aw man, that's a bummer...
Hi I have problem I don’t have sound / could I please for help ?
What year is your car? If it is before 2003 the system is a little different and needs some extra steps.
I was told I need an amp for all my speakers to work properly does this method skip all of that
In my case, the install uses the factory Bose amplifier thanks to the fiber optic converter box, so no need for a separate amplifier. I would recommend taking a look at your factory unit's connectors to compare with this install and with images of the unit you are looking to purchase to have a better idea what to expect.
Hey stupid question but how did you get your FM radio to work ?. Mine seems to need an antenna connected via the antenna port. I am guessing it should work over canbus ?
I did not get it working, though I'll admit I didn't try yet. In the factory configuration, the FM antenna is wired to the rear components of the audio system, near the amplifier in the trunk. The CAN bus may have sent commands to the tuner in the original configuration, but would not have carried the audio signal.
I believe you could use an adapter and run a wire from the factory antenna to the new unit up front. Another option get a windshield mounted aftermarket antenna and run the wire to the new unit (they are almost invisible and flush to the glass on the inside).
Wow thanks for the fast reply. I will probably do that, Im running some RG6Q for the backup camera so I might as well run another and try to rig up a F connector to the factory antenna.
I have run into another issue probably from the head unit I am using. It seems to stop sending out any signal to the amplifier. Not sure if its the converter to fiber or the unit, I need to get the oscilloscope out of storage to trouble shoot this.
Thank You
@@frenchineer
Let me know how wiring to the factory antenna goes!
I'm not sure what the issue could be with the amplifier. Is your car a facelift version with the MOST fiber optic system like in my install? Does it cut out while you're using it?
I figured out the issues with the amplifier, either the navigation or Fm radio units were doing something killing MOST bus. I remove them and bypassed it all an it seems good now.
Next steps for me are
1. check the amplifier for the antenna is outputting still without the tuner module.
2. Merge the AM an FM antennas on one wire ( should use a diplexer but don't have one).
3. Order all the adapters an run coax to the front.
Going to use RG6Q wire along the battery wire, two runs. with half a dozen adapters.
@@frenchineer
Glad to hear your amplifier issues are solved! Hopefully the antenna conversion and run to the front go smoothly.
Hey man what all do you need to buy separately from the radio?
Besides the radio, you could need to correct fiber optic box for your car, a USB cable for your phone, and what you prefer to make the wiring connections.
Great video thanks. Doo we need to purchase an aftermarket Canbus box? I own a 2003 S350
Thanks for watching!
If you get the same radio I installed, it comes with the CAN bus decoder.
@@frenchineer thank you for the response. I will try to get one. Is it the same decoder for all the cars? I am sorry if you had answered it earlier in the comments
No problem! The decoder should be the same. The fiber optics converter box selection will depend on the model year. If you want to be sure what to order based on what you have, I recommend looking at the connectors on the back of your radio before ordering.
Since your car is a 2003 model, there are some extra connections to make, so you should look into the d2b wake signal and fiber optic loop/CD changer bypass. You can check Christoper Kearney's comment, he was successful with his install on his 2003!
@@frenchineer Thank you so much for taking time to respond. I shall look at it :)
This is an amazing video! Much needed guidance. I do have a question though. I hooked it up as you’ve shown but I’m not getting any sound. I’ve got power but no sound. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
Thank you!
Have you checked the audio connections to the optical converter box? I know there are multiple connectors on the radio side so it could be worth double checking. Also, what year is your car? The pre-facelift have some differences.
It’s a 2004 S500 so it’s a facelifted version. I hooked up the right and left to the corresponding RCA part on the radio. Honestly don’t know what I’m missing.
The only other thing I can think of right now is to check the power and ground to the fiber optic decoder box. I'm not sure what else to test after that...
Has there been an update on this? I just did mine same thing no sound. Powers up etc…. Same fibre optic and power wires. Wondering if the amp need power or maybe can us wires on backwards. Thnx.
@@danbohotchuk4353 thanks for reaching out. I have still been unable to remedy this. I even paired my phone to the Bluetooth and spoke to another person who could hear me but I could not hear them back. I tried switching the canbus wires too but no luck. I even had my mechanic who works on German cars take a look as well but he was stumped also. I agree with you that it may be an amp issue. I’m open to any suggestion at this point. If I come up with anything else I’ll post it. Thanks for the inquiry.
Main question how’s the sound quality? Better than factory?
I didn't use the factory system very long, but I'd say it's at least equal! I think the fact that it retains the factory amplifier helps. The benefit of being able to use streaming music or Bluetooth is also a big plus.
Where does the blue and white wire come from?
Those are the CANbus wires I connected to the CANbus distribution block in the footwell.
Need info on this in the pre face-lift please help
Another viewer left a comment on how he got his set up working on his pre-facelift. Here's what he said, so hopefully it will help you out:
I ordered the same head unit you did and added the fiber optic decoder (which is the correct one for my model 2003 s430 4 matic d2b Bose). Ordered the jumper wires you posted and followed all your steps. Connected the battery and the unit fired right up! But… NO SOUND 😱! Spent like 2days traveling the inter webs and stumbled across a video explaining the fiber optic loop issues. Found that the amp wasn’t turning on because the new radio wasn’t sending the signal to it. Found the wiring diagram for my original wiring harness and spliced into the d2b wake up. Then… bam! Sound! But then it was Intermitted and would cut out every 5-10 secs for 5-10 secs. Back to the inter-webs! Ended up having to bypass the factory CD changer because the fiber optic loop wasn’t getting the signal back from it so it would play sound constantly. After doing that the sound worked flawlessly! I even added in the wireless backup camera (to avoid the nightmare of running wiring throughout the car!
Great video! Do you think it will be compatible with a W215?
I know the systems look similar, but I think it is a little bit different. If I'm not mistaken, the W215 is more similar to the pre-facelift W220, but you would also want to make sure the replacement unit would fit. Seicane does have one option for the w215, but it does replace some of the wood trim.
@@frenchineer ok thanks a lot for the response!
Do these require can high/low to power on? Mine is hooked up minus those inputs and the screen is not powering on.
Yes, for this install in a facelift W220, the CAN bus box sends the wake signal to the head unit.
Some people have tapped into CAN wires in the dash (HVAC) for their connection instead of in the footwell.
@ thanks man. I ordered some posi taps to tap those little HVAC wires just now
It worked but no audio, must have got a dud decoder :(
@@ericsens7961 I would double check the decoder box wiring. Are your audio plugs connected to the correct outputs on the new radio?
@ the decoder was faulty! Got an XTRONS one and we’re in business. Only problem now is an apparent battery drain from something. Car has died 2x since I took out the OEM head unit 🤔
great job! Tell us about the sound, how it sounds, unlike the regular one. After all, this is China. I think the sound will be worse right?
I think the sound is as good as the original, because it still uses the Bose amplifier! I did use the new unit's EQ to adjust it to my preference, but I really like the way it sounds. Also, the advantage of being able to stream music with Android Auto or Apple CarPlay is really good.
Do you have a suggestion that is apple friendly?
This head unit does both Android Auto and Apple CarPlay! It just also runs android as its operating system.
Where can I get the fiber optic converter from?
I got mine as part of my order from Seicane, but they sell the converters individually for both pre-facelift and facelift versions of the car. Which year is yours?
Where can I find the canbus decoder from bro?
It depends on the year of your car, Seicane sells one for both pre-facelift and facelift S-Class models.
Pre-facelift (2000-2003): www.seicane.com/car-optical-fiber-decoder-sc131
Facelift (same as the one I used): www.seicane.com/2002-2012-mercedes-benz-e-class-w211-e200-e220-e230-e240-e270-e280-e300-e320-e350-e420-e500-e550-e55-e63-etc-car-optical-fiber-decoder-most-box-bose-harmon-kardon-audio-optic-interface-sc02
If you're unsure which version to get, I recommend looking at your car's fiber optics connector and comparing with the pictures of the decoders.
Hi I done it and the information on dash is pre safe not available?any idea?
This usually happens if the battery voltage gets too low or the battery is disconnected. If you tested the radio with the car off, it probably drained your battery!
To reset it, start the car and turn the steering wheel all the way to the left, then all the way to the right 3 or 4 times. The next time you start your car it should be reset.
You should also check if your windows and sunroof open and close automatically. If they don't, manually open them and hold the switch for a couple seconds once it's open, then manually close and hold the switch a couple seconds once it's closed. This should reset them!
Frenchineer thank you,do you know how to change radio setting to Mercedes logo when u enter the car?
I haven't done it yet, but it should be possible. I think you would need to connect a USB stick with the image you want to use, then find the part of the settings menu that would allow you to do it. I will try to include that in the follow up video I plan on making for the radio.
Welches Modell Ist das ?
Und wie hast du das mit dem Lichtleitkabel gemacht ?
The model is the Seicane H333N-P, and the fiber optic converter is the SC95 (both linked in the description). I think there are other companies that also make converters.
For the fiber optic cable, there is a connector within the main radio connector that can be separated which will go to the converter box.
I hope this answers your questions!
I have a 2003 S430 4matic do I need the canbus decoder box? What exactly does that do? I plan on buying this same unit from Seican with the Fiber optic option. Great video thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
The CAN bus decoder allows the new radio to interpret a bunch of signals that the car uses internally. For the S-Class, that includes steering wheel controls, knowing whether the headlights are on or off, if a door is open, etc. To my knowledge, all the Seicane kits for the W220 come with the CAN bus decoder.
The optional fiber optics decoder box depends on the system you have in your car though. Since you have a 2003, the stock radio may look the same but have the earlier style fiber optics system. Before you order anything, I'd recommend checking the connectors on the back of your head unit so you can see which fiber optics decoder box you would need. If it's the older style, there are a couple more wires to connect.
@@frenchineer hey I checked the back of my head unit and it’s several more connections than yours. Any way to know how your setup would work? I have pictures just don’t know how to upload on this thread.
@@frenchineer also looks like I have the older db2 fiber optic connection.
Looking at the Seicane head unit's product page, they show 3 connectors on their harness. Since I have the facelift radio, none of them matched for me, but if they match what you see in yours, the install may be a little more plug and play than mine (no splices except for the decoder box, and no wires to the footwell CAN block).
Let me know if the connectors they show match what you have!
@@frenchineer ⚠️ Long post alert⚠️ Sooooo… I ordered the same head unit you did and added the fiber optic decoder (which is the correct one for my model 2003 s430 4 matic d2b Bose). Ordered the jumper wires you posted and followed all your steps. Connected the battery and the unit fired right up! But… NO SOUND 😱! Spent like 2days traveling the inter webs and stumbled across a video explaining the fiber optic loop issues. Found that the amp wasn’t turning on because the new radio wasn’t sending the signal to it. Found the wiring diagram for my original wiring harness and spliced into the d2b wake up. Then… bam! Sound! But then it was Intermitted and would cut out every 5-10 secs for 5-10 secs. Back to the inter-webs! Ended up having to bypass the factory CD changer because the fiber optic loop wasn’t getting the signal back from it so it would play sound constantly. After doing that the sound worked flawlessly! I even added in the wireless backup camera (to avoid the nightmare of running wiring throughout the car! All in all I’m super happy and even updated the radio to display the Benz logo on the head unit when it comes on! All that to say THANK YOU for your post. Everything else I’ve heard of prior only pointed towards a complete overhaul of the system! Now, this was definitely a labor of love but I’ve learned a lot in the process. Merry Christmas!!!🎄🎁
So I did a android hu on my 02 s55 which had d2b and I used a decoder box and on that decoder box when the fiber optic wasn’t in the box I could see light coming out of it, now I have a 04 s55 and doing the same thing but when I have the box wired up with no most inside the box there isn’t light. Can anyone confirm if there’s suppose to be light coming out of the box.
I'm not 100% sure. Does it work when everything is connected? If not, there may be something wrong with the box you have this time, or it could be an issue with the power wiring to the box.
I’m not sure I thought it was the box but I bought another one and that one isn’t working either everything had power but no sound
I don't know if you were able to figure anything out, but the other option you have could be to run wires directly to the amplifier in the trunk, which would bypass the fiber optic system. I think there are some videos that show how to set that up.
installed a head unit like this with a fiber optic decoder. it was an incorrect decoder though. i couldn’t get it to power up. could the incorrect decoder be the issue?
In this setup, the decoder functions separately from the head unit, so they should not interfere with each other. The only connection between them should be the RCA audio connectors. Did the decoder not power up or the head unit?
@@frenchineer the head unit didn’t power up. i wired it up just now outside of the car to a battery. i had just power and ground wired up originally. i didn’t have acc or illumination wired into power. i hooked those up to the battery and it turned on
Interesting. Did you have the CANbus wires connected as well? You could also try to find a different ground point, like a nut on a metal part in the dash.
What model year is your car? The pre-facelift models require more connections to be made.
@@frenchineer they were connected when i tried it in the car. when i had it out of the car, they were not. its a 2005 s500. can hi and lo are just for steering wheel controls, right?
CAN hi and lo also tell the head unit when a door is open, headlights are on. I am not sure what other things are used but there may be more.
Were you using the car's battery or a different one to test out of the car? The car can lose a lot of charge while working on the install with the doors open.
Where do i get the converter box from
I got mine as an optional add on with my kit, but you can search for "most fiber optic decoder" or "fiber optic decoder box" to find sellers. They exist for the most fiber optic systems as well as the older d2b systems, so depending on the year of your car it could be one or the other.
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You didnt have to wire in the accessory wire?
For this head unit, wake up/power on is controlled with the CAN bus decoder, so there is no accessory wire connection.
However, if you were to install a traditional double DIN unit I think you'd have to do it.
@@frenchineer ahhhh good to know i was just installing mine and got stuck cuz the screen wasnt turning on lol. I also have a d2b car so a lot of guess work. Ill wire up the canbus and see how it goes. Was saving that for last.
Ah I see! Since you have d2b, you may want to check Christopher Kearney's comment thread where he lists the extra steps he had to complete to get his pre-facelift w220 install done. He had to tap into d2b wake to start the amp and bypass the CD changer for the fiber optic loop issue.
@@frenchineer ahhhh i thought so, good look man. Gonna go buy the bypass connector rn
Why does the CD Changer get or needs to be bypassed and rendered inoperable?
I don't see a connection for the antenna, does your FM radio work?
EDIT: I misremembered, there was no antenna connection on my factory head unit. I would need to connect a new antenna to the new unit to have FM.
I forgot to buy an antenna adapter before I installed the head unit, but I'll be opening it up again soon to install one!
The new head unit also has a GPS antenna that I didn't install yet (because I use Android Auto and the phone GPS by extension).
I checked again, and on my original head unit there is no FM antenna connector. To get FM radio I would need to run a new antenna that would connect to the new head unit.
@@frenchineer yeah so in my research it looks like the antenna and gps connections are in the trunk so you would have to route coax back there
For the GPS, the new unit comes with its own GPS antenna which you can run up to the windshield. It seems like the way Mercedes set things up both signals (FM and GPS) go to the stock unit through the main connector, so everything being in the back sounds right!
Was Seicane asked for a solution for the Antenna and GPS resulting problem that required the additional Antenna?
I was not nor did I see a warning of this added requirement.
I am disappointed that Seicane Sales informs that their recommended Head Unit will not support the OEM Factory installed Remote 6 Disc CD Changer. Has everyone else experienced this?
Would the Remote 6 Disc CD Changer a loss? Is there another option to enable continued use? Another Brand Head Unit?
I don't know of any aftermarket radios that retain the use of the original CD changer unfortunately. If you only wanted to add bluetooth capabilities, I know some people have modified the original tape player to add a bluetooth receiver, but I do not know the details of that process.
For me, it was not an issue as I use my phone for music streaming with Android Auto (and the same is possible with Apple CarPlay).
Frenchineer... Thanx. I am uncertain whether the later model MBs with BT, etc., still features multi-Disc CD Changer. If so, the technology is here. If so, Wonder whether this newer HU would work and completely compatible with my 2004 S430 W220. Making it all MB and updated. As well, not dependent on external BT or USB connected devices. As well, a WiFi subscription and onboard phone subscription would be still be required for onboard SAT and Phone.
I assume if willing to lose the multiple Disc Changer, the Seicane would be perfect.
And, what the cost would be.
It puzzles Me as to why the inability to accommodate and include reconnect and continuing use of the Factory MDChanger. And, all the excess unused harness wiring.
While I think the later MB models may share some similarities, I don't think it would be possible to use them in the W220 since later cars (W221) integrate the music/radio system much more into the car's systems. I have helped install a similar type of radio in a 2011 E-Class (W212), and for that car the new screen works in parallel to the original system since that must be allowed to work for the factory camera and time settings (among other things). This isn't possible on our model though.
I do think this Seicane unit is a very good option if you are willing to forego the CD changer. I recommend that you look into Android Auto or Apple CarPlay which integrate GPS and phone functionality using your cell phone.
Good, informative video. Glad to see us, MB enthusiasts, not giving up on older W220. I am contemplating series of upgrades to my facelifted S500'04. In my wish list there are adding a reverse camera and to see if anyone had any experience with replacing old side mirrors with newer, or modified, units that have a light warning on the blind spot, like modern cars have. With these few improvements this W220 can become a truly timeless car. I wish you tried something like these side mirrors. I see a very limited use for the dashcam for myself but infinitely more valuable blind spot warning system.
are fiber opitcal amlifiers needed
You need the fiber optics conversion box to complete the install like in the video. Some people have run wires to the amplifier in the trunk instead, but I am not sure of the details for that.
Nice video... It is my understanding these Android radio run off 2 stand alone after market amps. I didn't see that part covered or the functionality of the radio after installed. I have a cl500 and have not installed my android or amps bc I hear the radios are junk cheaply made and function about 3 months to a year before they quit working. I have heard better success stories with Kenwood and Alpine
Thanks! I'm not sure about the internal amp in the radio itself, but in my install the original Bose amp is the only amplifier powering the speakers. I'm not worried about durability, since I've seen similar Android hardware working fine 3 years after installation in another car.
As far as functionality, I plan on making another video about the head unit to review it and show its features.
@@frenchineerwhy does the box have to be connected to can hi/ low? What does it do for the stereo?
The CAN bus connection allows the new head unit to receive signals from the car, which tell it if the headlights are on, a door is open, and if the power is on (to turn on the head unit). It also passes on steering wheel buttons like volume to the head unit.
@@frenchineer oh nice good to know, thanks. I am also wondering why mine is a bit different, so I have a green/ black wire and instead of a green wire I have an orange wire but they’re both the same length and had the heat shrink in the middle holding a split wire. I am wondering if it’s the same setup?
@@frenchineer ohh yah and it’s not a connector but just the 2 wires green/black and orang that are there. The rest of the module is connected to the stereo connector. However I do have a white wire and purple wire on a female connector that I’m not sure what it plugs into. It’s on the canbus box
Thas this work in the 2000 model?
There are some differences: the fiber optic converter box is different, and you will need to look into the fiber optic loop fix as well. Another commenter was able to do the install on their pre-facelift car with those considerations, so it is possible!
Will this work on the 2000 w220 models
Yes, but you would need a different fiber optics converter box and the factory CD changer must be bypassed. You can check out Christopher Kearney's comments for some additional details on how he got his install working in a pre-facelift w220.
You have cd changer in the Trunk?
Yes, but it does not work with the new head unit.
@@frenchineer Okay, that's not a problem. That was all I cared about. I connected the decoder, but somehow I can't get any sound, but the radio turns on. 2005 cl500 c215
Did you need a D2B decoder box? If so, you would probably need to use a fiber optic loop to bypass the CD changer.
I have cd and Phone i dont know if this change anithing
And i have Fiber optic Like you
Hello! can you pliz instal a seican head unit in the pre-facelift w220 you have? and maka a video on how to du it? i did just buy one after locking at this video, and i did get the screen to work, but not the sound system. Is this somthing you can help me whit?
A radio on my pre-facelift W220 is planned.
Did you get a D2B decoder box for your install? If that's wired up correctly, the next step may be to get a fiber optic loop to bypass the CD changer.
@@frenchineer Thanks for answere! yes i did get the D2B decoder box! but i can still not get sound... but i dont know where to connect the D2B wake up! can this be the problem??
Yes, definitely! D2B wake up is required to send a signal to the amplifier to power it on.
@@frenchineer I think i did connect this now, but still no sound... I have ordered 2 fiber optic loops tor the cd charger and the telefone, so i hope i can make it by this!
Let me know if adding those works for you!
Like , tough filming it
can you put one of these into a 2000 w220 sclass ?
Yes, but the fiber optic decoder box required is different as the system changed with the facelift. There are some additional connections to make for a wake up signal to be sent to the car's amplifier, and you'll need to look into closing the fiber loop and bypassing the CD changer.
Yeah that sounds like hassle I’ll go for a new model sclass to avoid doing all that, thank you for your reply very appreciated
Yeah that sounds like hassle I’ll go for a newer model sclass to avoid doing all that, thank you for your reply very appreciated
Yeah that sounds like hassle I’ll go for a newer model sclass to avoid doing all that, thank you for your reply very appreciated
Yeah that sounds like hassle I’ll go for a newer model sclass to avoid doing all that, thank you for your reply very appreciated
What year s class is yours?
It's a 2004 that was optioned with navigation!
will this work w220 s65 2006
It should since you also have a facelift model!
@theworkplacecoach7207@@frenchineer I'm about to go there with my 2006 S500 W220. Did you get it done yet? And, if so, which head unit did you use?
For the 2006 S500 it should be the same process as in the video. If you want to double check before ordering, you can check the back of your current factory radio to see what the connections look like and compare with pictures of the cables included with the units you are considering.
I'm also interested to see if @theworkplacecoach7202 has done the install and if the S65 had any differences!
@@1Ed11111did u do it
I did everything I saw on the video but my voice ain’t coming out
What year is your car?
06 Mercedes s430 4matic
That should be the same setup as in my car. Did you check that you have the right connections to the fiber optic converter box?
Yes I order the same one u post on ur channel
Everything plug the way u did I order all the peace u use
So you lose your rear speakers ?
No, just the Fade functionality (like setting sound to only come out of front or rear speakers). All the speakers work!
Hey so I purchased an android 9in octacore head unit for my 2004 s55 amg. Where do you find the fiber optic converter box? Mine only came with some long ass wires which I'm assuming they want to run from the trunk to the center console
So since you have a 2004, you should have the same fiber optic connector as my car. In my case I selected the option to add the decoder when I ordered my radio, but you can order it separately from them:
www.seicane.com/2002-2012-mercedes-benz-e-class-w211-e200-e220-e230-e240-e270-e280-e300-e320-e350-e420-e500-e550-e55-e63-etc-car-optical-fiber-decoder-most-box-bose-harmon-kardon-audio-optic-interface-sc02
@@frenchineer awesome so I go5 head unit hooked up everything works except there's no audio output wires are correct and canbus is properly connected I'm wondering if there's a possibility that my bose digital amp can't communicate or if there's an issue with the MOST fiber optic system if that could cause it
I'm not entirely sure. I know in the pre-facelift there's a fiber optic loop issue that needs to be addressed, but it sounds like you have the facelift version which shouldn't (unless the s55 amg has a different system).
Same here I connected everything like you in a video but no sound 🤦🏼♂️