I enjoy having many different vehicles. I have my scat pack & Silverado, the wife has a Cherokee that we love and a Kia, another Silverado and Toyota. They all have their own purpose. I think the" Hornet" would be an interesting little vehicle for the wife or just for a daily drive around vehicle. Sometimes I just enjoy taking turns driving different vehicles throughout the day. I enjoy taking care of them and experiencing them all. My main point is, I'd try the " Hornet". It could replace the wife's Cherokee when the Cherokee is ready to be handed down to one of our girls.
If the Hornet came in a trim level that had a manual transmission, I would take a look at it as a possible daily driver for me. From the people I talked to, I think the disappointment came from rebadging an Alfa Romeo and trying to pass it off a a Dodge “gateway to muscle”.
Look at the other rebadge cars in the company's history! Alfa Romeo hardly seems so offensive from that perspective! They also had some really great diamond star motors cars!
Excellent video, Racer X! I never hated on the Hornet myself. I understood immediately, despite the marketing, that this is for the masses. That said, the Hornet is quite capable, especially it's power to weight ratio. It has performance breaks too, and AWD! This is NOT a muscle car. People need to get past the marketing and see for themselves. The Hornet is the FOUNDATION for greater things to come! The Hornet will pave the way for future products that will eventually lead to our muscle interests, and then some! We're the minority. The Hornet is not for us, but know it's one piece in a larger puzzle for greater things to come! Have patience, and give Dodge a chance!
I understand that it’s not a muscle car, but what separates this car from the million other CCUV offerings from every other manufacturer? The power? The only people who care about power ARE enthusiasts, and it’s too lame to be wanted by them. Normal people would go for a C-RV before a dodge hornet. It has no market
@@_texan306 Let's take the power equation out for a moment. When's the last time you've seen a C-RV with Brembo performance breaks, or any performance breaks for that matter? Better brakes translate into shorter stopping distances. That's always a good thing when you are trying to avoid a collision! The C-RV lacks AWD by default, unless specifically purchased as an option. In the Hornet, this is STANDARD. AWD translates into a valuable safety feature in the form of traction! Having high performance breaks and AWD is a clear winner over a C-RV in regard to safety. The C-RV comes with a CVT transmission, and CVT transmissions are not that great. Rubber banding effects and sluggish performance are common complaints by many owners of a CVT. A CVT transmission is noted as being less reliable than a standard automatic transmission. CVT transmission tend to act up and shutter. They are also prone to overheating. CVT transmissions can not be repaired. They must be fully replaced. They can not be repaired like a standard automatic transmission. That said, you'll get a real NINE SPEED transmission in the Hornet, with no "rubber banding" effects and sluggishness. You'll be hard-pressed to find ANY vehicle in this segment, with the offerings the Hornet brings @ the $30k. The Hornet is an INCREDIBLE value for the money. With 14K + orders already, I'd say there's a lot of "abnormal" people buying it.
@@SovereignKnight74 I agree with your points here Sovereign except I'm still concerned that many people who purchase these types of cross overs already have brand loyalty such as Kia or Honda etc. I think it's going to take alot of Dodge marketing dollars to convince people to jump ship and get a Dodge next time they are in the market. Lastly, the style is so very similar to many of the cars in it's class...the quality from Dodge will have to be damn near perfect to score with the public IMO. Thanks for sharing your opinion here.
@@MrPFFlyer I know it's a touchy time right now for everyone with Dodge. I understand it. I'll even admit that I don't like where things are going either. My stomach sinks just thinking about it. I am not angry with Dodge. I am angry with the Government and the EPA. I want Dodge to succeed! I certainly hope Dodge can pull a rabbit out of their hat at SEMA.
@@_texan306 Oh I think you are mistaken! What about seniors that loved their old hot hatches and diamond star motor vehicles? It may not be a "muscle car" but in truth neither is the Mexican assembled hemi in name only with final assembly in Canada on a Mercedes platform Challengers and Chargers!! If they can be called Muscle cars (Snicker) so can be the Daytona Charger EV that will outperform them! I believe the Charger EV will be USA assembled as its already rumored to be going to happen! The hornet is and will be a performance car in its class! That fits into Dodge as the performance division just as the Viper fit in also once upon a time! Dodges vehicle offerings were getting mighty slim! 3 vehicles 2 of which were built on the same platform and the Durango. They need at least five different vehicles to be a really functioning division.
I really wish Dodge would consider introducing a hybrid Challenger. For the foreseeable future, you won't be able to take long road trips in an EV. And one of the best things about owning a big comfortable car like the Challenger are the long road trips you can take across the US.
Being an old AMC guy yes still have a Javelin and a Hornet. Knowing Dodge bought the brand only for Jeep glad to see them at least using a name from the past. The AMC sites Hate it. I don't think it's terrible, I'd drive one. I'm gonna say they need to be more competitive with KIA price wise if they intend to produce similar style of vehicle's.
Only way to be price competitive with Kia is to cut corners on design like Kia. If it takes a 10-15% larger sticker price for a similarly equipped vehicle but it last 10-12 years instead of 6-7, They'll be on a good path.
In contrast to the Banshee, I felt that the Hornet was a rushed/lazy attempt to be compliant with environmental regulations. You're beyond right with the message of your video that the vast majority of the outrage is unfounded. Not every criticism is, but the one's about Dodge going out of business, etc. are naïve, at best. 1+ Million people had watched the day 2 video by the time day 3 went live, does that sound like it's going out of business to anyone? I guess we'll see how it translates to sales, in time, but saying such hateful stuff before the cars are even available makes one sound like some hedge fund short seller.
If I wanted an SUV/CUV; I would spend my hard earned money on a CRV, RAV4, PILOT, HIGHLANDER. If I want a muscle car, I'd hand my money over to Dodge. IMHO, once the novelty of the release is over, this will sell no better than a Dart or a 200. JMO!!!!!
It will suck due to the fact that isn't even a dodge, it's an alfa romeo Tonale and that car is getting bad reviews after launch (no, the press reviews don't count). It's not a muscle car either, just dodge capitalizing on a market that will give them profit, no more than that.
Absolute correct. Dodge right now is going to be going through an identity crisis, they don’t have a good story to tell with any future products right now
Looks like a Ford Escape, Mazda CX, Hyundai Tuscon, Kia Whichever, Honda whatchamacallit, Toyota etc... if it is reliable and can rack on 250k to 300k miles before it needs a rebuild, I would consider it.
Racer knows his game, and the one main reason we follow and enjoy content, is that he has a positive outlook on everything, and he's just flat out, fair.
I’m also going to be extremely blunt with this comment: the future of performance at Dodge, as they’ve stated, is electric. The hornet is supposedly a vehicle that if they sell a lot of , it helps fund that future. I don’t want that future. I hope the Hornet fails on its face, and I sincerely hope Dodge as a brand absolutely falls on its face and fails in their approach. At some point, people have to start fighting back against this ridiculous move to earth destroying EVs. It’s not good for the environment, hybrids would be your better choice for something actually environmentally friendly. Unfortunately we’re not getting efficient hybrids at all, we never have, and it’s like the industry just skipped right over the best possible solution for everyone. And I think we all know why.
Thank you for seeing the bigger picture. This is a fantastic addition to the lineup to ensure Dodge stays competitive in the market and can actually gain ground. European brands like BMW have had to stray away from their "heritage" to remain relevant as well, the X3/4/5/6/7 have zilch to do with BMW heritage but selling enough of those means they can still stick around and make cars that truly embody the BMW experience like the M2 competition. It's business.
I've never considered a Dodge but since this one is so close to the Alfa Romeo Tonale, and has the majority of the shape and interior, it might be on my list. It looks good and I can care less about muscle. It's faster than the car that I have now (more hp and torque) and all I need it is for driving to work and back home so mpg is more important to me
I think the Hornet will be interesting to watch from the sidelines. If it was engineered by Alfa Romeo I certainly would be waiting a couple years to see where they stand for reliability as their return to the U.S hasn't been pretty.
Likewise. The Dart looked really interesting until people started talking about plastic intake manifolds warping. They're not even properly old yet and in driving 500 miles a week the last few years, I don't see more than 1 or 2 a year on the road
Alfa's return to the US market has been quite successful given how little support the Giulia and Stelvio have been given by FCA and now Stellantis - few dealers and zero advertising. Their product reliability has been decent as well, on par with other sport entries at similar prices. Anyone who understands the car industry knows it takes more than a good car to generate good sales numbers in the competitive US market; the other marketing elements must be in place as well.
@@347mav3 I think you will be easily proven wrong! More HP and torque in the hornet and instant torque off the line with 4 wheel drive! Ask anyone the old Turbo Dodges had some crazy torque steer being FWD. I had a non turbo 2.2 Daytona and that had strong torque steer out of the hole. They were fun to drive and great little cars. I even had a non turbo 2.0 laser and it hauled for what it was. With sticky tires it handled really well.
When is someone going to ask/answer the question - does the V6 line of Chargers and Challengers ALSO go away? If not, then man - what a day for those who have or might acquire them. A platform to build on and start really stoking the ability to foster the cars that look what 'what we love" with the tech, power, and attention span they've never really had given to them. SUPER EXCITING TIMES.
I've read a lot from Stellantis and I haven't seen anything officially saying V6s are going away. Maybe down the road (to be replaced with EV IMO) but I feel they are still meeting EPA standards for the next few years at least.
Honestly I couldn’t care if they put a V8 in those little grocery getters. So you pull up to a light and a Honda or Kia witch looks almost identical. No thanks, honestly these shouldn’t even be on a channel that’s all about muscle cars. Yes I am extremely disappointed in Dodge for trying to sell us a rebranded car. Lets be honest here you wouldn’t buy one!! Only reason I watched the video is out of loyalty to the channel.
On a positive note. I think the Hornet has it's place in a very crowded compact SUV field including Stellantis's own company Fiat. I actually find it an attractive little SUV built and shipped for the Alfa Romeo plant in Italy. With the inside information you mentioned. Please ask Tim Kuniskis why or Better yet how Dodge obtained 14,000 orders before ordering was available and pricing had not been established. From contacting Dodge dealers in my area. I was told they couldn't take my order but would likely have GT pricing in a couple days, which they did. Actually one dealer called me back yesterday wanting to take my order. It's an import from Alfa's Italian Fiat plant with the base 4 cylinder Awd GT having a price tag of $29,995 + $1595 shipping. A Total of $31,590 excluding options. Ordering the next model, the turbo 4 cylinder GT Plus will increase the price to $34,995 plus 1595 shipping or a price tag of $36,960 before options. Turnaround time isn't currently known or is the Hornet's Mpg. The GLH model will possibly be an EV and isn't currently available for sale, but guessing. It will fall in the Mid $40,000 range + shipping when the vehicle and pricing is finalized. Options can easily add over $5000 to the price. The RT PHEV and GLH shown are prototypes. RacerX. I am not wanting to offend you, But Your coming across as a Dodge sales person. If Dodge needs saving. The Hornet will not be the vehicle to do that. Stellantis has put Dodge in a corner. They should have introduced a finished consumer ready EV car instead of a prototype. Horsepower options, range, warranty coverage and options available to the customer. Stellantis knew the change was coming, yet didn't do anything about it. Stellantis is targeting Europe planning on 100% EVs by 2030. They don't seem to have a completed plan for the US. It would not surprise me if Dodge was sold off to another auto manufacturing company. Possibly Tesla to increase their manufacturing facilities. As stated in the final paragraph found in an Automotive magazine article regarding Dodge. It's not clear whether and how successfully Dodge can convert its enthusiast base to "eMuscle." But the brand will need to do so to survives
Yeah the R/T I really liked. The Hornet looks good too. I just hope they don’t have issues like the 1.4T in the Dart but hopefully it sounds as good or better
I think Dodge is just trying to diversify their lineup. If you look at the past, Dodge always had some kind of family oriented vehicle. Look at the Caravan, Caliber, Journey, Avenger, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love the muscle cars. I have a Hellcat myself, but the brand needs some cars for the masses. It's just good business to diversify. Am I super bummed out about the V8's leaving? You bet your a** I am but I get it. Who knows, maybe the next car is a hybrid Cuda with some outrageous horsepower. I think the Hornet and new Charger are basically test platforms for the new technology. We'll just have to wait and see what Dodge really has planned. Great video Racer X. Keep up the good work.
I haven’t heard anything good about the hornets yet so this view is actually really refreshing and gives you a different perspective! You got a subscriber from this one👍🏾
My secondary vehicle is a Kia Turbo Soul, on lease which is up soon. The Hornet would be a nice replacement, a little bigger, still good mileage, looks good to me.
Hello RacerX, big fan of your channel (my first comment). I'm a v8 guy, but I'm going to give the ev's a chance. I have 2 questions for you regarding the charger. 1. Are they discontinuing the charger gt, and 2. Does the charger have an actual exhaust and actual exhaust sound?
Both great questions.. Dodge would not talk much about the actual sound coming out of the Banshee so its hard to say how the sound is made. They also have not told us if the pentistar will be sticking around or if it will go away lieu of something more modern in 2024.. I guess we will have to wait and see what they say
I think the hornet is perfect for what they wanted. I’m 19 and looking for a new car for college but 30k isn’t half bad for a suv with as many features as the hornet. I would pick it over the Cherokee and compass any day honestly. It’s got a nice screen, nice digital cluster, and awd for the winters idk why everyone’s so upset with it. The Chevy equinox is like 5-10k dollars more and you get a rental spec for that price.
We all want NEW bad ass options for cars cause most of us are gearheads that follow you but keeping Dodge in business selling the cross overs and every day drivers makes good businesses sense I just hope they still give us the muscle we have been use to for the past several years…
They should have marketed the Dart better back in the day as I love my 14 Dart as my daily driver as the gas mileage is decent and it has the pickup and pep when needed and at the time best tech. I was starting to look outside of the Dodge brand as my Dart is coming up on 8yrs and high mileage and I cannot constitute a Charger or Challenger as my daily driver and the fiat is a huge no thank you. I had a Neon for 11 1/2yrs and kept it longer because of the caliber grossness. Waiting to see the first year or 2 and hopefully transition to the hornet vs another company. Dodge needs to remember daily drivers and entry level needs/wants vs all muscle all the time.
I think I may like it. I have a 2014 RAM 1500 and want to add a small SUV to my driveway for when I have to go long distances, or daily parking at the train station, etc. I was looking at the Turbo Outback, well, because, I wanted more power and AWD. This may be something I'd like instead, time will tell.
Thanks for the reality video. I've been a MoPar fan a long time and it's good to see they are bringing something other than RWD, V8, Scat, Hellcat, etc. Yes those are cool but not everyone wants that configuration of vehicle. Like you said, some want vehicles that check a lot of boxes and this may do that. To bad some can't see the value in this, but again some fear change. Can't wait to see what the future holds.
Great Video RacerX as always! I don't know how the Hornet, based on the Alfa Romeo Platform will do. I'm affraid about reliability concerns. This segment is already full house and the competition is very competent. Dodge needed a product in that segment, and hopefully they will find a way to succeed with the new Hornet... Well now they have to, they have no choice to succeed, as they putted a lot of pressure on themself by introduce it using the big door in front of all car enthousiasts. Either a big win, or a big fail, I think it won't be in between, that's the real danger.
3V, you took the words right out of my mouth. As an auto mechanic working 47 hours a week in the trade, I can't help but think "oh, another cross over". I can't tell them apart already since they all seem mundane. It's not even the hp numbers or torque that matter to me in that segment...it's just already been done cookie cutter style by every auto manufacturer out there. Dodge is showing up late to a make it or break it poker game. I hope it works out for them. As for me, RacerX and a bunch of others indirectly told us almost a year ago to get a Challenger while we can...and I, for one, took his advice.
My biggest problem with speed week is that they are replacing the charger and challenger with something that looks like it is the length of a four door, without the back 2 doors, and has a hatch back. When I replace my challenger I want it to be a 2 door car with a trunk. How can you do away with 2 cars that you sell a bunch of, and not come out with another car? The banshee is not a 2 door car, it is a 2 door hatch back. It looks like a 4 door car that they forgot to add the 3rd and 4th doors.
I agree stop worrying about what others say you have reviewed a Ford Focus SVT and it was fun in its own way. I have owned 15 different vehicles and I had things they all did well and poorly. If everyone was the same we would all drive the same thing. I bought my 2022 scat pack charger based off your no BS opinions.
Here's an alternative perspective to the gateway to muscle marketing, they're not trying to market it as anything muscle, but as a way to get people into the dodge brand and maybe later muscle once they see how fun driving can actually be in a dodge
Thanks for the vid today. Good Job. I Gotta say that this would grow on me. I believe the 14k majority were car rental companies. This would be my guess. It's a cool suv to rent. Also I'm digging the red and black colors on your shirts and hats. Matter of fact my scatpack is Blk/ w/ red Int. Where can I get the red/blk hat??
All wheel drive peppy can't drive my scat pack in winter up here in Mass. Looks like a good commuter. 75 miles a gallon. I may go for one. Good for buzzing the grandkids around too.
its w/e to me, i got my TA. My problem is people saying "they have to build these cars, to fund the cars we want!" thats a cope. The cars dodge attracted its cult following with are to be discontinued and taken off the table. We are being shown the door, and frankly, probably a good thing for us. Ive been seeing the digital and OverTheAir software control trends getting more sketch by the likes of Tesla, BMW, etc and perhaps a better cope would be to think it best vehicles like the challenger miss out on what the coming years bring about in production vehicles across the board. Surely would raise more hell should stellantis/dodge require Sport Mode availability paid via a subscription plan.
Imagine an Omni GLX had an orgi with a Durango and a Magnum wagon and they were on Maury Povich trying to decide who is the father! Lol That is the new Hornet to me and I like it! Seriously I think a lot of temper tantrums are being thrown by some and others just don't know the company history and good business! Alfa Romeo is not "Fix It Again Tony" so a step up at the Italian buffet! I read the European reviews on the car and while not perfect were pretty good. All I read or watched put it ahead of the BMW in its class. So the head of Dodge wasn't lying about it being a class leader in performance, Dodge is the Performance division not just the Musclecar division. It's lineup has been pretty thin and needs to grow to cover more aspects of what performance means and different levels of it. I honestly think Dodge has more tricks up its sleeve and they will be being seen shortly. I am left hanging wondering if there will be a new Challenger or Cuda built on a different platform then the Charger offered with the Hurricane 6? Time will tell!
@@bullittboost6046 You are half right. The 2024 mustang has a new variation of the 5.0 coyote and GM is investing in a new v8 engine. The gov wants fun gas powered cars dead, no doubt, but dodge jumped the gun, and it's gonna cost them. The EVs are not ready for prime time, no matter how much Joe and Mayor Pete want them to be.
@@bullittboost6046 absolutely. I think they want to use the ev or the v6 engine worldwide. Just axe the hemi and put all of the blame on the govt. Ford and Chevy showed them up.
My biggest gripe with the Hornet is that it looks too much like an Alfa Romeo. On both the interior and exterior you can easily see that it’s a simple rebadge of the Tonale. Hopefully that will be fixed in the inevitable refresh that the car will get. As for the car as a whole, I don’t hate it. I understand it’s purpose: a mass-market economical consumer car. Dodge needs a car that can sell hundreds of thousands of units every year, and the Hornet is the type of car to do that.
Dodge’s marketing was a big mistake by saying that the Hornet is a “muscle car”. It’s more targeted towards the compact utility vehicle class (Mazda CX5, Ford Escape, Chevy Equinox, Honda CRV, Audi Q3, etc)
I gree the vehicle much lighter doesn't always mean more horsepower.its about weight of the vehicle and yes you mentioned 👏 alwheel drive also means handling.
I wonder if the Hornet would have been better received if Dodge would still be making the Charger, Challenger and 300 with the turbo inline 6 and then the Hornet as an entry level SUV. Also the Hornet will be in direct competition with the Jeep Cherokee. Great content as always.
Glad they are making the Hornet. Someday sooner than I'd like I have to replace my 2019 Jeep GC SRT. I will miss the 6.4 L Hemi a lot -- you could die for the sound (mine has quad Corsa cat back exhausts and JLT Cold Air Intake -- only mods) but I actually could possibly see a Hornet GHL in my garage some day.
That GLH version piqued my interest somewhat,but would be a little more appealing to me as a daily drvr/all around vehicle if they opted in a turbocharged stick shift version of that ride! Modify it with more boost and a intercooler if not equipped & watch out!!!
I THINK the DODGE HORNET is COOL. The awd is NOW STANDARD ON ALL DODGE HORNETS,(not just subaru's.) The BODY STYLE is HATCHBACK COOL and it can be ORDERED WITH A MOONROOF. The MOTOR OFFERS PLENTY of KICK (thrust) and the INTERIOR IS NICE. YEA, I'D CHECK IT OUT.
What's weird is that Dodge has announce it has banished ICE's from its top performance models, then promptly introduces a small SUV, of which EVERY version sports an ICE. Strange days indeed
I'm interested in the hornet with gas prices likely to never dip below $3 a gallon, we need a fun car we can drive all day. I just wish it was a 6 spd manual.
If it's fun and reliable, it'll be a good product. If they fall on their face like they did with the Dart, well, they should have learned. I really wish there were more interesting engine options for their pickups, and resent that they've been on such a long hiatus on the Dakota. If the Hornet gets a pentastar, 3 pedals, and AWD, I would definitely take a look.
I hope your Caliber held up better than mine...up here in Minnesota... I think the driver's seat is ready to fall through the floor! And I've replaced both front and rear cross members just to get the rust box thru another brutal winter.
I'm eagerly anticipating the Hornet. Adapt or die . Dodge has to wade into the small SUV market to survive. V8's are great but they need more efficient powertrains in a changing world
I read Hurricane sucked and Stellantis had to source a Ferrari engine for Alfa Tonale. Stellantis is smart. They will sell few Tonale models in America. Handing the car to Dodge creates volume. Hopefully a relationship develops between Dodge and Alfa going forward.
Here are my thoughts on it. People need to realize that the Hornet competes in a segment that has the Subaru Crosstrek in it. Dodge will probably knock it out of the park for the masses in that segment. My wife wants a Hornet GT and if she does get it I will tell her to spend that extra three grand for that package. I do not really see a Hornet GT keeping up with a scatpack in a straight line but maybe on curves. It will not keep up with a Mustang or Camaro or any other vehicle in that category though imo.
I'll just accept the fact that, 'this isn't for me'. But image is everything. When you see the base model and how it presented, it doesn't say 'fun' or 'sporty' to me, at least. But I do get the reason why they're backing this vehicle. I just don't know if it will grab enough people's attention to do what Dodge and Stellantis is hoping for.
Its simple do I like it or will buy it no. But look back at the dodge dart was ugly but got gas mileage and I think that's the market they are going at .I will stick with my challenger scat pac.
I don’t think you guys understand… the whole point of the partnership STELLANTIS was to build electric cars. “Stellantis “ literally is eletric chrysler. PSA is the other half of Chrysler that forms stellantis and PSA is not forcing Chrysler to make electric cars. STELLANTIS (PSA and Chrysler) is forcing Chrysler to build electric cars. My goodness. Fca is one of the ONLY brand right now that doesn’t have at least ONE fully electric car.
I drive an SXT Challenger and honestly, I didn’t feel all that blown away by the Hornet until they said it was going to push more power than the Pentastar does out the box. Which in itself, kind of hooked me a bit. I’m genuinely curious to see how they perform, especially the GLH. In my mind, I think I’ll be onboard with it once I see how it drives and genuinely get a feel for the car on the street. Other than that, I think I might buy one just for the affordability and power it offers, I only have my Challenger as a daily drive right now, so for me I guess it’s just a wait and see.
at first I didn't like the hornet but now I kind of like it but I don't think I would get one. the car i drive right now is a Dodge Charger SXT and love it
@@undulantlemur43 I love the Dodge Charger and Challenger so much, honestly when I heard they would be doing announcements on day 1 I figured we’d be seeing something like the SXT models we have now, but true to the muscle car DNA. I know the Hornets a rebadged vehicle, but I definitely would’ve preferred something like a Cuda or some type of muscle car offering for the base entry cars.
@@undulantlemur43 I believe they based the Challenger off the Cuda when they were designing the car, but it’s definitely a really cool vehicle. Would be nice to see something like it someday, or any kind of Plymouth car.
I think I'm ready for the car. I've heard enough. Tired of cloak and dagger b.s. from Dodge it has to be more than fast. How bout some reliability after 50k! Or 100?
Literally just taking the place of the Dodge Journey, people seem to forget about that car and it’s purpose.
I enjoy having many different vehicles. I have my scat pack & Silverado, the wife has a Cherokee that we love and a Kia, another Silverado and Toyota.
They all have their own purpose.
I think the" Hornet" would be an interesting little vehicle for the wife or just for a daily drive around vehicle. Sometimes I just enjoy taking turns driving different vehicles throughout the day. I enjoy taking care of them and experiencing them all.
My main point is, I'd try the " Hornet". It could replace the wife's Cherokee when the Cherokee is ready to be handed down to one of our girls.
Good Perspective Clint
must be nice to have a $hit ton of extra vehicles
At 75 mpg with decent performance and ride it could make a great road trip car! Imagine making a 600 mile road trip and only using 8 gallons of gas!
dawg u could have a rolls royce for the price of all those cars
Stop defending yourself and your opinions... Who cares what the haters say... Keep doing you and what makes your channel great
Just wanted to people to understand where I'm coming from here.. I appreciate your support
Yep, in my opinion car people are open minded to different types of cars, not just firmly set on a specific type/brand.
I agree, RacerX doesn't need to defend himself. If they don't like it great. Other people will.
He could stop telling us how to think. I'm an adult.
@@ricksomething he is offering his opinion. If you believe he is telling you how to think than you are weak minded
If the Hornet came in a trim level that had a manual transmission, I would take a look at it as a possible daily driver for me.
From the people I talked to, I think the disappointment came from rebadging an Alfa Romeo and trying to pass it off a a Dodge “gateway to muscle”.
Look at the other rebadge cars in the company's history! Alfa Romeo hardly seems so offensive from that perspective! They also had some really great diamond star motors cars!
Like the dodge Caliber srt?
Excellent video, Racer X! I never hated on the Hornet myself. I understood immediately, despite the marketing, that this is for the masses. That said, the Hornet is quite capable, especially it's power to weight ratio. It has performance breaks too, and AWD!
This is NOT a muscle car. People need to get past the marketing and see for themselves. The Hornet is the FOUNDATION for greater things to come! The Hornet will pave the way for future products that will eventually lead to our muscle interests, and then some! We're the minority. The Hornet is not for us, but know it's one piece in a larger puzzle for greater things to come! Have patience, and give Dodge a chance!
I understand that it’s not a muscle car, but what separates this car from the million other CCUV offerings from every other manufacturer? The power? The only people who care about power ARE enthusiasts, and it’s too lame to be wanted by them. Normal people would go for a C-RV before a dodge hornet. It has no market
@@_texan306 Let's take the power equation out for a moment. When's the last time you've seen a C-RV with Brembo performance breaks, or any performance breaks for that matter? Better brakes translate into shorter stopping distances. That's always a good thing when you are trying to avoid a collision! The C-RV lacks AWD by default, unless specifically purchased as an option. In the Hornet, this is STANDARD. AWD translates into a valuable safety feature in the form of traction! Having high performance breaks and AWD is a clear winner over a C-RV in regard to safety. The C-RV comes with a CVT transmission, and CVT transmissions are not that great. Rubber banding effects and sluggish performance are common complaints by many owners of a CVT. A CVT transmission is noted as being less reliable than a standard automatic transmission. CVT transmission tend to act up and shutter. They are also prone to overheating. CVT transmissions can not be repaired. They must be fully replaced. They can not be repaired like a standard automatic transmission. That said, you'll get a real NINE SPEED transmission in the Hornet, with no "rubber banding" effects and sluggishness. You'll be hard-pressed to find ANY vehicle in this segment, with the offerings the Hornet brings @ the $30k. The Hornet is an INCREDIBLE value for the money. With 14K + orders already, I'd say there's a lot of "abnormal" people buying it.
@@SovereignKnight74 I agree with your points here Sovereign except I'm still concerned that many people who purchase these types of cross overs already have brand loyalty such as Kia or Honda etc. I think it's going to take alot of Dodge marketing dollars to convince people to jump ship and get a Dodge next time they are in the market. Lastly, the style is so very similar to many of the cars in it's class...the quality from Dodge will have to be damn near perfect to score with the public IMO. Thanks for sharing your opinion here.
@@MrPFFlyer I know it's a touchy time right now for everyone with Dodge. I understand it. I'll even admit that I don't like where things are going either. My stomach sinks just thinking about it. I am not angry with Dodge. I am angry with the Government and the EPA. I want Dodge to succeed! I certainly hope Dodge can pull a rabbit out of their hat at SEMA.
@@_texan306 Oh I think you are mistaken! What about seniors that loved their old hot hatches and diamond star motor vehicles? It may not be a "muscle car" but in truth neither is the Mexican assembled hemi in name only with final assembly in Canada on a Mercedes platform Challengers and Chargers!! If they can be called Muscle cars (Snicker) so can be the Daytona Charger EV that will outperform them! I believe the Charger EV will be USA assembled as its already rumored to be going to happen! The hornet is and will be a performance car in its class! That fits into Dodge as the performance division just as the Viper fit in also once upon a time! Dodges vehicle offerings were getting mighty slim! 3 vehicles 2 of which were built on the same platform and the Durango. They need at least five different vehicles to be a really functioning division.
I really wish Dodge would consider introducing a hybrid Challenger. For the foreseeable future, you won't be able to take long road trips in an EV. And one of the best things about owning a big comfortable car like the Challenger are the long road trips you can take across the US.
The etorque pentastar in the charger/challenger platform is a really interesting thought.
Being an old AMC guy yes still have a Javelin and a Hornet. Knowing Dodge bought the brand only for Jeep glad to see them at least using a name from the past. The AMC sites Hate it. I don't think it's terrible, I'd drive one. I'm gonna say they need to be more competitive with KIA price wise if they intend to produce similar style of vehicle's.
Only way to be price competitive with Kia is to cut corners on design like Kia. If it takes a 10-15% larger sticker price for a similarly equipped vehicle but it last 10-12 years instead of 6-7, They'll be on a good path.
When Chrysler purchased AMC in 86, Chrysler literally became AMC.
I'll give the Hornet GLH a shot if they give that engine the same treatment they gave the Neon SRT-4 and made it a wide body.
The base model is faster than the NSRT4.... The RT, bone stock, would absolutely destroy it
They should stick the new "hurricane" turbo i6 into it.
In contrast to the Banshee, I felt that the Hornet was a rushed/lazy attempt to be compliant with environmental regulations. You're beyond right with the message of your video that the vast majority of the outrage is unfounded. Not every criticism is, but the one's about Dodge going out of business, etc. are naïve, at best.
1+ Million people had watched the day 2 video by the time day 3 went live, does that sound like it's going out of business to anyone? I guess we'll see how it translates to sales, in time, but saying such hateful stuff before the cars are even available makes one sound like some hedge fund short seller.
My last 3 vehicles are Grand Cherokee limited.
The Hornet RT will be a strong competitor for my next purchase
If I wanted an SUV/CUV; I would spend my hard earned money on a CRV, RAV4, PILOT, HIGHLANDER. If I want a muscle car, I'd hand my money over to Dodge. IMHO, once the novelty of the release is over, this will sell no better than a Dart or a 200. JMO!!!!!
You're 100% correct, people that want the fun stuff need to realize that this will keep Dodge in business, this is a good thing.
It will suck due to the fact that isn't even a dodge, it's an alfa romeo Tonale and that car is getting bad reviews after launch (no, the press reviews don't count). It's not a muscle car either, just dodge capitalizing on a market that will give them profit, no more than that.
Absolute correct.
Dodge right now is going to be going through an identity crisis, they don’t have a good story to tell with any future products right now
Looks like a Ford Escape, Mazda CX, Hyundai Tuscon, Kia Whichever, Honda whatchamacallit, Toyota etc... if it is reliable and can rack on 250k to 300k miles before it needs a rebuild, I would consider it.
No way. It’s an Alfa.
Racer knows his game, and the one main reason we follow and enjoy content, is that he has a positive outlook on everything, and he's just flat out, fair.
Nooo it does suck it's an Alfa.. when is the last time Alfa and reliable went together.. NEVER!!
I’m also going to be extremely blunt with this comment: the future of performance at Dodge, as they’ve stated, is electric. The hornet is supposedly a vehicle that if they sell a lot of , it helps fund that future.
I don’t want that future. I hope the Hornet fails on its face, and I sincerely hope Dodge as a brand absolutely falls on its face and fails in their approach.
At some point, people have to start fighting back against this ridiculous move to earth destroying EVs. It’s not good for the environment, hybrids would be your better choice for something actually environmentally friendly. Unfortunately we’re not getting efficient hybrids at all, we never have, and it’s like the industry just skipped right over the best possible solution for everyone.
And I think we all know why.
Thank you for seeing the bigger picture. This is a fantastic addition to the lineup to ensure Dodge stays competitive in the market and can actually gain ground. European brands like BMW have had to stray away from their "heritage" to remain relevant as well, the X3/4/5/6/7 have zilch to do with BMW heritage but selling enough of those means they can still stick around and make cars that truly embody the BMW experience like the M2 competition. It's business.
I've never considered a Dodge but since this one is so close to the Alfa Romeo Tonale, and has the majority of the shape and interior, it might be on my list. It looks good and I can care less about muscle. It's faster than the car that I have now (more hp and torque) and all I need it is for driving to work and back home so mpg is more important to me
I think the Hornet will be interesting to watch from the sidelines. If it was engineered by Alfa Romeo I certainly would be waiting a couple years to see where they stand for reliability as their return to the U.S hasn't been pretty.
Likewise. The Dart looked really interesting until people started talking about plastic intake manifolds warping. They're not even properly old yet and in driving 500 miles a week the last few years, I don't see more than 1 or 2 a year on the road
Alfa's return to the US market has been quite successful given how little support the Giulia and Stelvio have been given by FCA and now Stellantis - few dealers and zero advertising. Their product reliability has been decent as well, on par with other sport entries at similar prices. Anyone who understands the car industry knows it takes more than a good car to generate good sales numbers in the competitive US market; the other marketing elements must be in place as well.
I agree I think it will be crazy fun to drive.
looks like your doggy wants to go home, he's done playing.
I did have a 1985 Omni GLH Turbo back in the day! I’d be interested to see what the new GHL puts down performance wise! Excellent info and upload X…🏆👍
You can bet it won't compare to the original. Their just using the GLH moniker
@@347mav3 I’m betting it’ll be a little rocket! The old ones were fast back then. Turds now..
@@347mav3 I think you will be easily proven wrong! More HP and torque in the hornet and instant torque off the line with 4 wheel drive! Ask anyone the old Turbo Dodges had some crazy torque steer being FWD. I had a non turbo 2.2 Daytona and that had strong torque steer out of the hole. They were fun to drive and great little cars. I even had a non turbo 2.0 laser and it hauled for what it was. With sticky tires it handled really well.
Some small cars or SUV are fun but I do agree that this is not a muscle car !!!!
I am sure this is appealing to someone... just not me. I also think announcing this at an enthusiast event was a mistake.
Its a crossover, nuff said. For the price point I’d rather get a Toyota crossover
Correct. If you go vanilla, get the best vanilla product. The entire segment is vanilla and will inspire zero car people to come to dodge
When is someone going to ask/answer the question - does the V6 line of Chargers and Challengers ALSO go away? If not, then man - what a day for those who have or might acquire them. A platform to build on and start really stoking the ability to foster the cars that look what 'what we love" with the tech, power, and attention span they've never really had given to them. SUPER EXCITING TIMES.
I've read a lot from Stellantis and I haven't seen anything officially saying V6s are going away. Maybe down the road (to be replaced with EV IMO) but I feel they are still meeting EPA standards for the next few years at least.
Since the new frame won’t do gas…..
Honestly I couldn’t care if they put a V8 in those little grocery getters. So you pull up to a light and a Honda or Kia witch looks almost identical. No thanks, honestly these shouldn’t even be on a channel that’s all about muscle cars. Yes I am extremely disappointed in Dodge for trying to sell us a rebranded car. Lets be honest here you wouldn’t buy one!! Only reason I watched the video is out of loyalty to the channel.
Well Said‼ There is a place for the Hornet, just wish it looked a little more "Sporty" if they want to call it a Muscle Car.💯
On a positive note. I think the Hornet has it's place in a very crowded compact SUV field including Stellantis's own company Fiat. I actually find it an attractive little SUV built and shipped for the Alfa Romeo plant in Italy. With the inside information you mentioned. Please ask Tim Kuniskis why or Better yet how Dodge obtained 14,000 orders before ordering was available and pricing had not been established. From contacting Dodge dealers in my area. I was told they couldn't take my order but would likely have GT pricing in a couple days, which they did. Actually one dealer called me back yesterday wanting to take my order. It's an import from Alfa's Italian Fiat plant with the base 4 cylinder Awd GT having a price tag of $29,995 + $1595 shipping. A Total of $31,590 excluding options. Ordering the next model, the turbo 4 cylinder GT Plus will increase the price to $34,995 plus 1595 shipping or a price tag of $36,960 before options. Turnaround time isn't currently known or is the Hornet's Mpg. The GLH model will possibly be an EV and isn't currently available for sale, but guessing. It will fall in the Mid $40,000 range + shipping when the vehicle and pricing is finalized. Options can easily add over $5000 to the price. The RT PHEV and GLH shown are prototypes. RacerX. I am not wanting to offend you, But Your coming across as a Dodge sales person. If Dodge needs saving. The Hornet will not be the vehicle to do that. Stellantis has put Dodge in a corner. They should have introduced a finished consumer ready EV car instead of a prototype. Horsepower options, range, warranty coverage and options available to the customer. Stellantis knew the change was coming, yet didn't do anything about it. Stellantis is targeting Europe planning on 100% EVs by 2030. They don't seem to have a completed plan for the US. It would not surprise me if Dodge was sold off to another auto manufacturing company. Possibly Tesla to increase their manufacturing facilities.
As stated in the final paragraph found in an Automotive magazine article regarding Dodge.
It's not clear whether and how successfully Dodge can convert its enthusiast base to "eMuscle." But the brand will need to do so to survives
It seems too expensive for what it is IMO.
I read every post on here and yours makes me even more uncomfortable with what may be the truth. Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion.
Yeah the R/T I really liked. The Hornet looks good too. I just hope they don’t have issues like the 1.4T in the Dart but hopefully it sounds as good or better
The R/T is what is interesting, I'm waiting to see what the real numbers are 75 mpg seems super high... Would be a player if numbers are true!
Racer X thank you friend 🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪😀👍👍👍👍
I think Dodge is just trying to diversify their lineup. If you look at the past, Dodge always had some kind of family oriented vehicle. Look at the Caravan, Caliber, Journey, Avenger, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love the muscle cars. I have a Hellcat myself, but the brand needs some cars for the masses. It's just good business to diversify. Am I super bummed out about the V8's leaving? You bet your a** I am but I get it. Who knows, maybe the next car is a hybrid Cuda with some outrageous horsepower. I think the Hornet and new Charger are basically test platforms for the new technology. We'll just have to wait and see what Dodge really has planned. Great video Racer X. Keep up the good work.
Still not a Dodge it's a Alfa Romero. Pretending to try to be a Dodge
I think they look fantastic and I know they are fun and easy to drive and especially park great for around town and even longer trips , great video 👍👍
Racer x appreciate the honest thoughts love your channel and your a great person to relay us the news thanks
I haven’t heard anything good about the hornets yet so this view is actually really refreshing and gives you a different perspective! You got a subscriber from this one👍🏾
My secondary vehicle is a Kia Turbo Soul, on lease which is up soon. The Hornet would be a nice replacement, a little bigger, still good mileage, looks good to me.
Hello RacerX, big fan of your channel (my first comment). I'm a v8 guy, but I'm going to give the ev's a chance. I have 2 questions for you regarding the charger. 1. Are they discontinuing the charger gt, and 2. Does the charger have an actual exhaust and actual exhaust sound?
the banshee is the new charger
It’s EV only so no the exhaust comes from speakers
Both great questions.. Dodge would not talk much about the actual sound coming out of the Banshee so its hard to say how the sound is made. They also have not told us if the pentistar will be sticking around or if it will go away lieu of something more modern in 2024.. I guess we will have to wait and see what they say
Wow, thanks for replying so fast. I hope the gr sticks around. If I can't have a hemi now, atleast I can have a little something along those lines.
You'll have to spend 80k to get the performance of the 40k scat packs we were buying in 2020
hey racerx quick question stock for stock what is faster zl1 or hellcat?
Chrysler has been selling a hybrid Pacifica for years. I'd love to know what lessons learned they have incorporated from that product.
options are good! i think the hornet will do well- there is a segment for this- i loyal to mopar so i usually support new mopar ideas
I like the Hornet! I’ll definitely consider it as my next vehicle in the future.
I think the GLH will be fun to drive and when they make it an wide body......OOOOOHHHH baby it will be awesome
I think the hornet is perfect for what they wanted. I’m 19 and looking for a new car for college but 30k isn’t half bad for a suv with as many features as the hornet. I would pick it over the Cherokee and compass any day honestly. It’s got a nice screen, nice digital cluster, and awd for the winters idk why everyone’s so upset with it. The Chevy equinox is like 5-10k dollars more and you get a rental spec for that price.
We all want NEW bad ass options for cars cause most of us are gearheads that follow you but keeping Dodge in business selling the cross overs and every day drivers makes good businesses sense I just hope they still give us the muscle we have been use to for the past several years…
They should have marketed the Dart better back in the day as I love my 14 Dart as my daily driver as the gas mileage is decent and it has the pickup and pep when needed and at the time best tech. I was starting to look outside of the Dodge brand as my Dart is coming up on 8yrs and high mileage and I cannot constitute a Charger or Challenger as my daily driver and the fiat is a huge no thank you. I had a Neon for 11 1/2yrs and kept it longer because of the caliber grossness. Waiting to see the first year or 2 and hopefully transition to the hornet vs another company. Dodge needs to remember daily drivers and entry level needs/wants vs all muscle all the time.
I think I may like it.
I have a 2014 RAM 1500 and want to add a small SUV to my driveway for when I have to go long distances, or daily parking at the train station, etc.
I was looking at the Turbo Outback, well, because, I wanted more power and AWD.
This may be something I'd like instead, time will tell.
Thanks for the reality video. I've been a MoPar fan a long time and it's good to see they are bringing something other than RWD, V8, Scat, Hellcat, etc. Yes those are cool but not everyone wants that configuration of vehicle. Like you said, some want vehicles that check a lot of boxes and this may do that. To bad some can't see the value in this, but again some fear change. Can't wait to see what the future holds.
Fact is most of us gear heads can't afford a hellcat. I Have a family and need an suv. 265hp and all wheel drive sounds good to me. Go hornet!
Was up racer x do you think the rt Dodge Charger will be more expensive next year?
Yes but only slightly
@@RacerX9 Good Morning Racer X so I plan on getting a 2020 or 2021 Dodge Charger rt next year is that a good idea or should I get it this year?
Great Video RacerX as always!
I don't know how the Hornet, based on the Alfa Romeo Platform will do. I'm affraid about reliability concerns. This segment is already full house and the competition is very competent. Dodge needed a product in that segment, and hopefully they will find a way to succeed with the new Hornet... Well now they have to, they have no choice to succeed, as they putted a lot of pressure on themself by introduce it using the big door in front of all car enthousiasts. Either a big win, or a big fail, I think it won't be in between, that's the real danger.
3V, you took the words right out of my mouth. As an auto mechanic working 47 hours a week in the trade, I can't help but think "oh, another cross over". I can't tell them apart already since they all seem mundane. It's not even the hp numbers or torque that matter to me in that segment...it's just already been done cookie cutter style by every auto manufacturer out there. Dodge is showing up late to a make it or break it poker game. I hope it works out for them. As for me, RacerX and a bunch of others indirectly told us almost a year ago to get a Challenger while we can...and I, for one, took his advice.
My biggest problem with speed week is that they are replacing the charger and challenger with something that looks like it is the length of a four door, without the back 2 doors, and has a hatch back. When I replace my challenger I want it to be a 2 door car with a trunk. How can you do away with 2 cars that you sell a bunch of, and not come out with another car? The banshee is not a 2 door car, it is a 2 door hatch back. It looks like a 4 door car that they forgot to add the 3rd and 4th doors.
I agree stop worrying about what others say you have reviewed a Ford Focus SVT and it was fun in its own way. I have owned 15 different vehicles and I had things they all did well and poorly. If everyone was the same we would all drive the same thing. I bought my 2022 scat pack charger based off your no BS opinions.
Here's an alternative perspective to the gateway to muscle marketing, they're not trying to market it as anything muscle, but as a way to get people into the dodge brand and maybe later muscle once they see how fun driving can actually be in a dodge
I know what to call these “Sport Crossovers” because these aren’t Muscle Cars 💯
Reliability and longevity, are the critical factors to those of us who don't trade in our cars every few years.
Thanks for the vid today. Good Job. I Gotta say that this would grow on me. I believe the 14k majority were car rental companies. This would be my guess. It's a cool suv to rent. Also I'm digging the red and black colors on your shirts and hats. Matter of fact my scatpack is Blk/ w/ red Int. Where can I get the red/blk hat??
I'm actually working on getting a hat vendor as we speak. Hopefully soon!
@@RacerX9 ok definitely count me in! Thanks
Looks like you're on Dodge payroll now
The million dollar question is???? Are you getting one?
All wheel drive peppy can't drive my scat pack in winter up here in Mass. Looks like a good commuter. 75 miles a gallon. I may go for one. Good for buzzing the grandkids around too.
its w/e to me, i got my TA. My problem is people saying "they have to build these cars, to fund the cars we want!" thats a cope. The cars dodge attracted its cult following with are to be discontinued and taken off the table. We are being shown the door, and frankly, probably a good thing for us. Ive been seeing the digital and OverTheAir software control trends getting more sketch by the likes of Tesla, BMW, etc and perhaps a better cope would be to think it best vehicles like the challenger miss out on what the coming years bring about in production vehicles across the board. Surely would raise more hell should stellantis/dodge require Sport Mode availability paid via a subscription plan.
Just remember what happened to Mitsubishi!
Imagine an Omni GLX had an orgi with a Durango and a Magnum wagon and they were on Maury Povich trying to decide who is the father! Lol That is the new Hornet to me and I like it!
Seriously I think a lot of temper tantrums are being thrown by some and others just don't know the company history and good business!
Alfa Romeo is not "Fix It Again Tony" so a step up at the Italian buffet! I read the European reviews on the car and while not perfect were pretty good. All I read or watched put it ahead of the BMW in its class. So the head of Dodge wasn't lying about it being a class leader in performance, Dodge is the Performance division not just the Musclecar division. It's lineup has been pretty thin and needs to grow to cover more aspects of what performance means and different levels of it. I honestly think Dodge has more tricks up its sleeve and they will be being seen shortly. I am left hanging wondering if there will be a new Challenger or Cuda built on a different platform then the Charger offered with the Hurricane 6? Time will tell!
I wouldn’t care about the thing if they didn’t kill the actual muscle cars. Key take away, Dodge orphaned the “brotherhood of muscle”
That’s not Dodge. Big government wants muscle cars gone. An they are pushing hard with that. EPA already cracking down on tuners.
@@bullittboost6046 You are half right. The 2024 mustang has a new variation of the 5.0 coyote and GM is investing in a new v8 engine. The gov wants fun gas powered cars dead, no doubt, but dodge jumped the gun, and it's gonna cost them. The EVs are not ready for prime time, no matter how much Joe and Mayor Pete want them to be.
@@stephenbrady916 I agree. I think Stellantis has had a lot to do with the demise of the Hemi Cars.
@@bullittboost6046 absolutely. I think they want to use the ev or the v6 engine worldwide. Just axe the hemi and put all of the blame on the govt. Ford and Chevy showed them up.
Sorry Sir, you didn’t convince, it’s still trash🤷🏻♂️
My biggest gripe with the Hornet is that it looks too much like an Alfa Romeo. On both the interior and exterior you can easily see that it’s a simple rebadge of the Tonale. Hopefully that will be fixed in the inevitable refresh that the car will get.
As for the car as a whole, I don’t hate it. I understand it’s purpose: a mass-market economical consumer car. Dodge needs a car that can sell hundreds of thousands of units every year, and the Hornet is the type of car to do that.
This is the Fourth or so video I've watched from "Speeds' older brother, who ran away from home years ago".
Well damn... *Subscribes
Dodge’s marketing was a big mistake by saying that the Hornet is a “muscle car”. It’s more targeted towards the compact utility vehicle class (Mazda CX5, Ford Escape, Chevy Equinox, Honda CRV, Audi Q3, etc)
The original hornet wasn’t a muscle car so it’s actually spot on
I gree the vehicle much lighter doesn't always mean more horsepower.its about weight of the vehicle and yes you mentioned 👏 alwheel drive also means handling.
I wonder if the Hornet would have been better received if Dodge would still be making the Charger, Challenger and 300 with the turbo inline 6 and then the Hornet as an entry level SUV. Also the Hornet will be in direct competition with the Jeep Cherokee. Great content as always.
Glad they are making the Hornet. Someday sooner than I'd like I have to replace my 2019 Jeep GC SRT. I will miss the 6.4 L Hemi a lot -- you could die for the sound (mine has quad Corsa cat back exhausts and JLT Cold Air Intake -- only mods) but I actually could possibly see a Hornet GHL in my garage some day.
The hornet will never replace a set gc
That GLH version piqued my interest somewhat,but would be a little more appealing to me as a daily drvr/all around vehicle if they opted in a turbocharged stick shift version of that ride! Modify it with more boost and a intercooler if not equipped & watch out!!!
I THINK the DODGE HORNET is COOL. The awd is NOW STANDARD ON ALL DODGE HORNETS,(not just subaru's.) The BODY STYLE is HATCHBACK COOL and it can be ORDERED WITH A MOONROOF. The MOTOR OFFERS PLENTY of KICK (thrust) and the INTERIOR IS NICE. YEA, I'D CHECK IT OUT.
Great video with valid points regarding the R/T..
History will repeat itself, we’ve saw where dodge went in the late 70s early 80s
I was hoping for a driving experience
What's weird is that Dodge has announce it has banished ICE's from its top performance models, then promptly introduces a small SUV, of which EVERY version sports an ICE. Strange days indeed
Hornets not bad. I'm here for progress to improve R&D while providing an aggressive, affordable and stylish product.
I'm interested in the hornet with gas prices likely to never dip below $3 a gallon, we need a fun car we can drive all day. I just wish it was a 6 spd manual.
If it's fun and reliable, it'll be a good product. If they fall on their face like they did with the Dart, well, they should have learned. I really wish there were more interesting engine options for their pickups, and resent that they've been on such a long hiatus on the Dakota. If the Hornet gets a pentastar, 3 pedals, and AWD, I would definitely take a look.
My son has a 15 Dart GT. It’s been a great reliable car.
The Caliber SRT4 with the 6 speed trans was a beast for a 2,4L turbo. Don't think the Hornet will be as good.
I hope your Caliber held up better than mine...up here in Minnesota... I think the driver's seat is ready to fall through the floor! And I've replaced both front and rear cross members just to get the rust box thru another brutal winter.
I'm eagerly anticipating the Hornet. Adapt or die . Dodge has to wade into the small SUV market to survive. V8's are great but they need more efficient powertrains in a changing world
I read Hurricane sucked and Stellantis had to source a Ferrari engine for Alfa Tonale.
Stellantis is smart. They will sell few Tonale models in America. Handing the car to Dodge creates volume. Hopefully a relationship develops between Dodge and Alfa going forward.
I still think of the 1987 Mustang with 225 hp and 300 lb ft of torque as a muscle car. All these cars he is talking about sound crazy to me.
Here are my thoughts on it. People need to realize that the Hornet competes in a segment that has the Subaru Crosstrek in it. Dodge will probably knock it out of the park for the masses in that segment. My wife wants a Hornet GT and if she does get it I will tell her to spend that extra three grand for that package. I do not really see a Hornet GT keeping up with a scatpack in a straight line but maybe on curves. It will not keep up with a Mustang or Camaro or any other vehicle in that category though imo.
It is cool, what about towing capacity?
I'll just accept the fact that, 'this isn't for me'. But image is everything. When you see the base model and how it presented, it doesn't say 'fun' or 'sporty' to me, at least. But I do get the reason why they're backing this vehicle. I just don't know if it will grab enough people's attention to do what Dodge and Stellantis is hoping for.
The 1980s all over again with the K car. Chrysler has always had a roller-coaster ride, up and down, up and down, here's the down part.
Its simple do I like it or will buy it no. But look back at the dodge dart was ugly but got gas mileage and I think that's the market they are going at .I will stick with my challenger scat pac.
Has anyone ever seen RacerX and SrtMush in the same room at the same time? 🤔
If you check my IG I just took a pic of the two of us when we were in Detroit last week lol
The banner said 'Gateway" to Muscle, not Muscle. With that said, I still agree with you that is was presented as such which was a mistake.
I don’t think you guys understand… the whole point of the partnership STELLANTIS was to build electric cars. “Stellantis “ literally is eletric chrysler. PSA is the other half of Chrysler that forms stellantis and PSA is not forcing Chrysler to make electric cars. STELLANTIS (PSA and Chrysler) is forcing Chrysler to build electric cars. My goodness. Fca is one of the ONLY brand right now that doesn’t have at least ONE fully electric car.
I would test drive one to see if it would be worth the money to get one. I would also like to see if it fun to play with around town.
I drive an SXT Challenger and honestly, I didn’t feel all that blown away by the Hornet until they said it was going to push more power than the Pentastar does out the box. Which in itself, kind of hooked me a bit. I’m genuinely curious to see how they perform, especially the GLH. In my mind, I think I’ll be onboard with it once I see how it drives and genuinely get a feel for the car on the street. Other than that, I think I might buy one just for the affordability and power it offers, I only have my Challenger as a daily drive right now, so for me I guess it’s just a wait and see.
at first I didn't like the hornet but now I kind of like it but I don't think I would get one. the car i drive right now is a Dodge Charger SXT and love it
@@undulantlemur43 I love the Dodge Charger and Challenger so much, honestly when I heard they would be doing announcements on day 1 I figured we’d be seeing something like the SXT models we have now, but true to the muscle car DNA. I know the Hornets a rebadged vehicle, but I definitely would’ve preferred something like a Cuda or some type of muscle car offering for the base entry cars.
@@redspears8928 what’s a cuda? never heard of it plus I’m not a car guy.
I just looked it up and wow they look cool
@@undulantlemur43 I believe they based the Challenger off the Cuda when they were designing the car, but it’s definitely a really cool vehicle. Would be nice to see something like it someday, or any kind of Plymouth car.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building !!!!!
Sometimes this is why having a joint venture to make a rebadged car is a bad idea
I think I'm ready for the car. I've heard enough. Tired of cloak and dagger b.s. from Dodge it has to be more than fast. How bout some reliability after 50k! Or 100?