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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2023
- In this one I am assembling the setup and putting it to the test. FYI, no it is not ready to sell, neither are the helical gears. I don't have a date yet. I want to fully test this guy first and beat it. I expect it to be ready in March 2023 maybe.
-We will have Vz-Hextrudort spare parts, helical gear sets, LOTS of Goliath with spare parts for worldwide, more Vz330 kits. 2023 things will flow better in terms of availability :)
Printers:
-full Vz235 printer kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dld...
-Full Vz330 printer kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkF...
Printer Parts:
- Waterpump kit I use here: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEt...
-240mm Radiator: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFO...
-120mm x2 fan: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEJ...
-Vz-HextrudORT watercooled : s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEZ...
-Goliath watercooled : s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDP...
-Fly Super 8: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A8mOXD
-Drivers s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AFDBtp
- XY Motors: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9iN6y9
-Alu Water cooling blocks: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlK...
-Fittings: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DEV...
-water cooling kit: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dnc...
-48V PSU: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dcf...
-CPAP fan: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dmk...
-CPAP tube: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A9rUYd
(complete part list can be found on the BOM list on github link below)
-Eibos filament dryer: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dc7...
Full VzBoT Printer project: (BOM, cad, stl): github.com/VzBot3D/
CNC Parts on Mellow Store Aliexpress or f3d-racing-fdm.myshopify.com/
Visit Mellow Store for VzBoT parts: mellow.aliexpress.com/store/g...
Please join us on FB: / 4098868770205560
Disord: / discord
If you wish to support: ko-fi.com/vez3d
Dude I’m SUPER impressed with your IS results - so nice!!
It's incredible for a machine of this size, especially on the Y
yeah its pretty good. Though amplitude is a little higher than before.. but I think its due to the fact that I had nozzle brace before, and now there is none. But its still super stiff and quite amazing on the IS
Now that's a really cool idea! combining the extruder with the cooling block!
I am in awe and have so much feeling of jealousy on such a beast of a 3d printer. People like you are the future of 3d printer engineering. Oh and speed benchys :P
I literally bought the previous version for air cooling last night lol. Now I'm going to have to buy parts to replace. Such is the price of progress I guess. Great to see your passion never seems to wane.
Honestly so excited to upgrade my printer. Its not a VZ or HevOrt (Ender 6), but I'll keep pushing it until I can afford to build one myself.
Addictive isn't it? 😂
FINALLY the solution!
I've waited exactly for this to come for months. The rest were just sub-steps.
Great work and eventually the only logical solution to all of it!
Unfortunately I miss the time to build this myself. So I waited for you to do it.
First 👊. Can't wait for production model. 😎
I really love the simplicity of the connections and the slim form factor of the assembled unit.
How cool this thing is! I always though water cooling is good for only specific cases. And it's best example - shorter filament path, no moving parts for cooling on print head, temperature in chamber can be as high as anyone need - and nothing affects cooling quality.
This is so freaking awesome!!
Just found your channel. You have some awesome printers. I have been printing for just under a year and Im in love with it. I have an Ender 3 V2 and just got a Creality K1. Please keep the videos coming!
Cool progress Vez!
Thanks, Vez 😁
Realy awesome job!!!!
I run Vorons and RatRigs.
But i think a vzbot is one of the next!!!!!!
Awesome design 💪💪
very stylish setup
watching this video then doing something on my ender 3 is hilarious. It's mindblowing how quick this thing is
Beautiful!
Just received my vzhextrudortlow a few days ago, probably gonna pick up the helical gears and reverse Bowden adapter.
You know it's a good day when you see a new VEZ video :D
Vez you're iterating so fast my wallet can barely keep up!
Simon - artist and engineer at once 🙂Gentlemant please make mounting for bed slingers like Kobra Max.
badass
Awesome rig bro!, Have you any detailed video explaining how do you attach the input shaper probe to the nozzle itself? Is mind blowing
Wow, I'm amazed of your work on this special printer. I'm currently waiting for the Parts to arrive for my Vz330 build. What Filament are you use, whitch you mentioned in the end? Whitch Brand and Type? I'm thinking of printing the Parts for the VzBot with that. Thank You.
Have you measured the static vertical stiffness of the printhead? High extrusion rates might produce enough force to slightly lift the nozzle up.
tapped nozzle for measuring resonance?! My mind is blown! Never thought of that but it makes so much sense.
yep
@@Vez3D Any chance you could do a guide on how to set up that nozzle mount? Struggling to find a place to mount the accelerometer on my stock Tronxy X5SA carriage. (slowly working toward converting it to vzbot)
Niceeee!
The aluminum carriage doesn't even seem hot at all, damn
you can offer 1 ptfe tubing holder for 3mm and people who have moon motor can put 0.5 mm washer in the Gap, you can even add the washer in kit. that is way easier.
So im probably just lost, but is there a place i chould buy this whole setup? And also how does it do printing PA12-CF, so i guess what would the top temp be to operate at safe.
But also dangggg, that is moving and looks damn solid. Love it
hey Vez, this thing is stunning! what a beauty. unfortunately aliexpress has stopped shipping to austria recently. could you let us know when you have stock at one of your EU vendors please?
yeah it should be soon
this week Im re-organizing with Mellow and distributors
i hope they will be available on mellow
Any chance of making a replacement helical gear like this for the QR extruder also? With 8mm bore..
To boldly go where no one has gone beore!
Missing a letter in your graph labels ;)
Oops.. thanks haha. Too late though
New subscriber, that thing is a BEAST! What filament were you using if u dont mind?
ABS CF
@@Vez3D interesting.. what are you setting the cooling at? I have always shut fan off on ABS, interested to see what you say
@@tombo7719 30% cpap.
@@Vez3D THANKS! I WILL TRY IT OUT SEE IF IT HELPS!
Good day ! Is it possible to use FYSETC CNC machined gantry for voron 2.4 in VZBot, or carbon fiber square 20х20 tube is prefarable ?
Looks awesome! You are pushing the bounderies och what can be done with aluminium and 3d printing!
Is this a solution to the patent?
Yes, it is
Really nice!
I just thought a bit and.. did you use FEM(or other) to simulate the loads, maybe you could even remove more material :D
A while ago I saw a ultralight Voron Rail (I think it was the x-axis) where the the original tube was basically completely milled away.. :D
But i also assume the extra load from 20m/s needs a bit "more" than a simple axis.. :D
Also an addition, since I need to sell a kidney anyway (hopefully you understand the joke :D ), why didn't you use titan, then you might be able to get even smaller maintaining the same strength.. :)
Just imagine an all titanium VzBot! 🤤
would be interesting, to see how much °C the Water of the cooling increased :) nice video, nice idea, nice guy!
I can tell you.. only by 2-3c
Zirconia through the entire melt zone is going to be a problem I think. Especially if using a tungsten carbide nozzle that mates to it. Those ceramics are not going to give at all and things may shatter when heated. Also, may I suggest checking out the libra mini gears? They have both sides helical so that the thrust in a configuration like yours is negated. Otherwise maybe consider thrust bearings for the gears.
hehe I know about those dual helical gears.. since.. I worked on this with Mellow and I have one version of the Vz-Hextrudort that uses those gears. BUT its just way too expensive to make so we dont make them anymore. As for Zirconia, maybe I said it wrong, but I didnt mean all the way through the entire melt zone.. I meant all the way though the heatbreak. But after discussions with good engineers , the current design will last long even with several spools of CF abuse.. but it will eventually need to be replaced. But we will have replacement. And maybe have a full Ti one option
@@Vez3D I print mainly GF nylon so I’d want the titanium option definitely. mellow isn’t making any more of the dual gears anymore you’re saying? Or that it was too much cost for this particular extruder?
@@BigfootPrinting no more dual helical. As for the heatbreak.. will check to make a Ti option
nice one. looking smart. BTW is this cube downloadable anywhere? thanks
Yes in github.com vzbot3d github.com/VzBoT3D/VzBoT-Vz330/blob/master/Assemblies%20BOM%20and%20STL/Print%20Test/VzCube.stl
Hot dang, what are the specs for this printer so far? I bought a kobra max recently and have been looking sadly at all the people doing lightning fast fdm prints. The feeling was only offset by seeing how small the fact printers were...until I saw the mk2 ones that looked almost tge same size
I thought the red fitting was intentional, to fit with the theme. Looks good imo.
not everyone likes red :) black is a fit for all :)
Can you please share that low profile part cooling duct
What size nozzle are you using for your .24 layer height? 0.4? This is so awesome man. I’m too poor to afford a lot of these components so I’ve got my trusty V1 Ender 3 Pro that I’ve been upgrading piece by piece. Linear rails are the next major upgrade I want to do. I also really want to get a second printer so I can still print while it’s under construction.
Why not dial in your ender 3 to be reliable then get a tronxy X5S and start slowly working towards a vzbot? You can definitely do it with little upfront investment, upgrade as you go is a lot more fun imo too.
Is there a thrust washer for the helical gear set? There will be an axial load applied switching from spur to helical.
there is none. and yes there is probably a axial load applied, but i dont think its significant enough to over come the filament+twirl grove force.
I have done some artifact test to see if it would cause issues with the axial load pushing gears forward.. but I didnt see any issue so far. Test continues.
That’s great to hear. I was thinking it’s possible the filament might be taking up the axial load because of the grooved cup feature pushing the filament in. The transferred load axially should not be enough pressure applied to really harm anything anyway. I guess just watch out for any galling you see in your tests. Steel to aluminum will definitely do that over time.
I have an issue with the cooling, i have exactly that configuration and when i am printing abs/asa with the enclosure (260 hotend) after some time i can't touch the extruder, is to hot!
I'm considering putting something similar on a dual nozzle v0.1, what is the actual max flow?
I think I'm buying this extruder (WC version) and adapt it somehow to another heat block (not a fan of the extremely long Goliath).
Is the heat break thread the same as like a E3D V6?
Is there a CAD version of the water cooled version ?
Thank you
you have to check the temperatures differently, a thermal camera does not measure the actual emissivity of highly reflective materials, what you probably measured there was most likely temperature of a nearby object getting reflected in the metal. thermal cameras are not accurately measuring materials which act like a polished mirror for infra red heat radiation. you can try that by standing in front of brushed stainless steel, for you its just a metal surface, but in the thermal cam image it looks like you stand in front of a mirror, you can see yourself, and you can even measure your body heat, but not the temperature of the metal itself.
I agree. I should put a tape on it or something. But the temp of the motor was right since it has a mat finish. Also.. to the touch shows me its working very good. It says cool :)
That y acceleration change seems pretty crazy! has the goliath always been 3 posts or is this a change to try and sell in the US? is this printer really this quiet? Seems like whenever i hear a voron it sounds like its going to shake itself appart
Always been 3 posts between core and heatsink
You've mentioned that you used 0.55mm width whilst using the 0.5mm nozzle. Are you doing this to form pressure outwards from the original nozzle diameter, and if so, how does that affect the prints?
You normally set your width a bit wider than nozzle
Hey dumb question, your plate height is only contolled in two areas. Wouldn't three point ensure it rises and lowers evenly?
when purchasing the Hextrudort set, I need to purchase the Moon motor, adaptor plate and new copper zirconium tube separately right? And where can I find the CNC PTFE tube holder? And do I get the Goliath nozzle and hot end in Mellow 330 AWD kit from the start? sorry but description on Aliexpress is not the best or I suck at finding things.
The new hextdudort plus has built-in ptfe holder
@@Vez3D Thanks. Your comment prevented me from ordering the wrong Hextrudort...
Is there a version for non direct driver
Where do you buy the adaptor plate ? I can only find the old adaptor plate on the mellow store ?
It's in the vz- hextrudort listing
Thanks man.
Did the hextrudort low shop with helical gears? If not where can I buy them
helicals are not yet ready.. in the description you can find the details
I’m trying to find a complete assembly/setup video of the head with water cooling and it’s pump/wiring etc. can you point me in a direction?
which filament was used ?
Hi all. Please where buy upgrade For VzHextrudort :)thank you for answer i not see in aliexpress
Hi! Which Filament is it? Aaaand any chance to get your Slicer Profiles? Would love to compare them to mine
Its mentioned in the video...abs cf. My slicer settings are on github
Unfortunately my newly purchased CNC Vz-Hextrudort doesn't perform any better then the printed version before.
Still the same Extrusion artifacts pointed out by MirageC.
Sadly the praised new shaft assembly and twirlgear did not make a difference. At least for me. Curious if others noticed a difference : /
Edit: I used 8t motor and will test again with 10t motor.
And maybe the teased heliacal gears will improve performance when available
@Timo Acktun yeah use 10th and did you do the alignment procedure? Did you try other spool too? It should improve or remove those artifacts but i hear people running 8th are having issues. Its very touchy to align motor perfectly with a 8th. Try 10th
@@Vez3DSame with different filaments. I will try with 10th later.
Can you explain more about the alignment procedure?
@@timoacktun8478 check here github.com/VzBoT3D/Vz-HextrudORT/tree/main/Installation
@@timoacktun8478 Hey did youever get it to work as intended? The motor I got in my box had a bent shaft so I was forced to swap to a 10th tooth motor. I followed the guide he linked. I am wondering at this point if the pom gear has issues since I have followed his guide.
I'm a little confused - documentation of the whole thing is unfortunately very poor, there is the Hextrudort with water cooling and there is the goliath with water cooling.
Is one of the two enough? Can I run a water cooled goliath with an additional water cooled hextrudort unit (4 fittings)? thanks in advance
And here I am cheering on my ender 3 to do 2500 accel and 120mm/sec. I need a corexy...
Klipperized E3 with per axis limits patch can do 6-8k on X on outer perimeters, 80k X and 20k Y elsewhere.
@@daliasprints9798 where is that per axis accel patch located?
@@BigfootPrinting "Limited Cartesian" is the key phrase. It adds a new kinematics module that's a variant on normal cartesian with the per axis limits.
Looks good. I am looking forward to putting one of these on my large 500x500 printer. I am curious how well it prints with larger diameter nozzles (1mm and up)
It prints very good :)
Do you have a regular job and do this on the side or is the main income?
Have you ever messed with a crazy rabbit feeder for multicolor? I think one of your builds going incredibly fast and multicolor would be nuts
PLA is more suitable to test heatbreak 13:35
Another good test..but wanted to test with chamber heat
When, and why did The Goliath get shorter?
when? Like now in this video.. why? It was announced multiple times on all my social that we were working on this project :) Renders were posted weeks ago.. and even a real picture. Why? you mean..... Why NOT ? :P Its the same goliath just without heatsink. Shorter like that
@@Vez3D edit: oh, you just mean shorter because of the heatsink removal. I was thinking the hot section had been shortened.
@@JonS nah.. that recipee wont change. Its the same heatblock and same everything
are you cool
Kudos for not using slice boron nitride!! 😂😂
Gear's are bigger these days
Careful not to burn out the autofocus motor on ur dslr lens LOL
В начале был хороший экструдер на водяном охлаждении. А потом обосрал всю идею добавив тяжелые дополнения! Что дополнение для боудена, что дополнение для горла. Переделывай!
You better patent it before some slice of scum engineering does and claim IP....
Im not into patent
patents are expensive. You have to patent all individual countries and then some china state corp make it anyway and sell it on Aliexpress.