Fahrenheit 451 (2018) | A Fiery Mess
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- A rant review of 2018's Fahrenheit 451. A Flaming Mess
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Bird DNA is the key. Always has been.
Canada must be going through crazier stuff than the US if the only way they can get books is from birds flown over the border.
Edit: And not from like any other country that's apparently fine
truer words have never been spoken
That is the most believable part of the movie
The bird knew to stay close to the ground that's how it survived smoke scene knowledge is safety
Don't ever watch the "adaptation" (more like blatant insult) of Brave New World. You're going to get pissed off.
0:43 Pippin: "Oh yes we had our Logical Fallacy, but what about our Logical Fallacy Fallacy?"
*Fallaception*
This is an S tier rant 🔥🔥 I'm cackling over your bird/ventilation rant, in particular. You'd think a movie that has fire as a symbol would understand smoke ventilation.
truely S tier i loved it. could we do a tier ranking of daniels rants one day?
@@user-nb5sh4bl7h wtf
As a Canadian, it was interesting to find out that there are no copies of American books anywhere in the world besides America.
How did this plot point make it past first draft?
Who tf green lit book DNA bird that is my question? I’m just going to assume everybody thought whoever suggested it was joking until it was to late...
Plus why would a book be in danger of being lost if they’re only banned in a single country? I mean yes some books may not make it out of a particular country and any sort of book banning is bad especially for a local people, but wouldn’t most books be available anywhere?
I mean in the original novel it’s never really stated where the book takes place but it’s safe to assume this is just how the world is. Other dystopian novels like 1984 and Brave New World actually explain how the world is. Seriously how did this make it past first draft?
Edit: just finished the end of the video and Daniel pretty muddy said everything I already did.
Producer: Why did she do that. It doesn't make sense?
Writer: I need you to get all the way off my back about that.
Producer: Well, let me get off that thing then.
Producer: So it must be pretty hard for him to save the books.
Writer: Actually, it's super easy. Barely an inconvenience
Yes, I too love Screenrant's Pitch Meeting
@@ziloe Guy is hilarious.
I was wondering who would recognize it.
@@ziloe Producer: Is it possible to store books on bird DNA?
Writer: I assume so. Because that's how I think science works.
Producer: Okay then.
I see you are a man of culture. Who appreciates poking fun at logical inconsistencies and scientifically imposibilities
@@learnfromany4064 I wouldn't describe myself as cultured. Hell, I'm writing this in a tee-shirt and boxers, smoking a cigarette, and drinking coffee However, I use the Oxford comma. So there's that. And if I'm honest I probably create more logical inconsistencies in my writing than I'll ever find in the work of others. But I'm not honest, so I'll claim that my books are perfect with zero plot holes. :)
You should check out "Pitch Meeting" on TH-cam. The guy is hysterical.
Early on in the video I literally said : “I was bummed they didn’t keep the robo-dogs.” And then BOOM. Ya brought up the robo-dogs.
As another perspective. I'm not sure how I felt about the robot dogs
@@joemoe650 But they could have absolutely used those Boston Dynamics robo-dogs and it would have been AWESOME.
Legit that was one of the most memorable book scenes I've ever read. Guy Montag running through the streets with a killer mechanical hound on his heels, looking through the windows of houses and seeing news coverage of himself being chased--just thinking about it gives me chills! I have no idea why a movie adaptation wouldn't keep that
If you guys want mechanical dogs watch the new War of the Worlds series. They are not meant to be dogs but they are 100% robodogs
I was perfectly fine watching this video until;
“What books do we have that Canada doesn’t?!”
😂😂😂
I could’ve died this holiday season Daniel....
im canadian and i can confirm we don't have any books /s
@@SirZeu I'm Canadian and I can confirm that we don't want your bird-DNA-riddled books. We'll just read Margaret Atwood over and over again.
Let me check in the back of my igloo.
Ah yes, when Daniel cracks out the Fallacy Fallacy card, you know things are getting serioius.
Kinda like when someone takes off their jacket or sweater, you know they’re serious.
Don't fall for it. It's a classic case of fallacy fallacy fallacy.
@@Lefaseer Eventually this comments section is just going to degenerate into Pokespeak.
"Fallacy? FALLACY."
"Fallacy!"
FALLACY used FALLACY!
Fun fact, in most movies and tv shows, when a map is shown, the U.S. and sometimes Mexico are always shown as being affected. But Canada is just chilling. Like, are we just confusedly looking south going “oh dear, eh? Hope that sorts itself out”
Yep - pretty much. And chopping wood, don't forget that.
I mean... maybe it because of Canada’s spotless reputation... I would never take them into any catastrophic scenario... they would be just chillin there...
To be honest, I watch a number of Canadian TH-camrs, and I can count on one hand the number of times Canadian current events were brought up. Even the left leaning ones basically spend all their time talking about what's going on in America as if their own country didn't exist.
@@danagray9709 Or as if their own country was functioning fairly well and possibly a little boring compared to the train wreck happening down south of us ...
As a Canadian, I can confirm that we have limited space in our igloos for book storage
It wouldn’t even make sense for the barn to be on fire! In the book it says that all buildings/houses are fireproofed
"What books do we have that Canada doesn't!?" Exactly! In the book, I always felt it was implied that the entire world had fallen to this sort of censorious authoritarianism; if it's just America, it's a loss for the Americans who live during this time, but the literature still exists!
It was an open question : is the rest of the world like this? With no answer.
Tinfoil hat take: This movie was made so a good retelling of Fahrenheit 451 wouldn't be made.
my thoughts also
Made it 20 minutes into the movie. Then I stopped and just went and read the book. So it backfired in a big way.
Or to prove you cannot make a good retelling neither a Good Adaptation of this Book with the same Vision as Ray Bradbury. You need to be a mega fan of Ray Bradbury for that.
Except that Equilibrium (2002) still exists.
@@atharvadeshpande4749 all book adaptations should be made by super mega fans of the original work, period. It should be in the hiring requirements.
Not going to lie, I was really hopeful about this movie. The fact that they ruined it so much breaka my heart.
Is it just me or did it seem this movie broke Daniel at the end of this video.
This and The Illustrated Man were both required reading when I was in High School.
Though I hated it at first I grew to love both books before I finished them.
I never had to read Ray Bradbury for school but I got into his work anyways. Probably for the best.
This movie is so bad that i never heard about it.
you were spared the disappoinment at least. i watched it with high hopes.
Same here. And I love the book
Fahrenheit 451, the movie, was bad, but I still have a lot of respect for Michael B Jordan and Michael Shannon for making it. I think they tried to do their best in making this movie, and I give them props for making it.
Oh, by the way, as far as the social media aspect of the movie, I actually liked it, because I think what they are trying to say is that people in social media do not have free will of thought, but they are being lead by charismatic people. I think you just need to jump on Twitter to see some of these aspects at work.
Wow! That's a really interesting way of interpreting that!
we need the 40 min unedited daniel goes mad version
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I read this in high school, Im gonna pick this up again
You definitely should, there is just something about choosing to read it vs being forced to read it, that gives you a chance to really love it.
I love your fair and and nonpartisan breakdown of the various views toward censorship. This issue ebbs and flows across the party line throughout time, and framing it as an up/down between authoritarianism and liberty hits the nail on the head. It takes some verbal wit to navigate an otherwise-political minefield when discussing these things in 2020. Props to you, and great objective critique as well.
Ahahahaha! Finally! Daniel Greene and Fahrenheit 451! The Goblin vs Mandatory Reading
Canary in the coal mine.
Miners would bring a caged bird down with them. So, if the bird dies in the cage, it's time to gtfo.
Birds don't handle smoke inhalation well - we can be sure of this because they specifically used small birds as an early warning system for miners at risk of suffocation in mines.
A (literal) canary in the (metaphorical) coal mine.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought this movie jumped the shark several times! The movie had me thinking I misremembered everything from the book (which is one of my favorite books of all time).
The most annoying sin of making a movie off a book, just completely making their own version without understanding the book at all
Didn't Bradbury walk out of talks about the book when people asked him about censuring literature vs Bradbury, to vastly simply, in the book wanted to convey "TV bad, people will stop reading"
This is why I didn't like the book and didn't finish reading it when I was forced too in school (well one part of it, mostly just that I didn't feel like reading it). He's just an anti-tech hipster and those are just hella obnoxious people.
@@Lycaon1765 I mean, not really? There’s a point where a character mentions how the TV families could inspire deeper thoughts and feelings if done differently. Bradbury was more against anti-intellectualism than TVs.
No offense intended, but Bradbury never walked out of a lecture or speaking engagement. He always stood his ground and would be the last person to say, "l'm not getting anywhere with this crowd. You're a bunch of meanies! I'm checking out."
Someone: you should read Fahrenheit 451.
Me: Nah i prefer Celsius
Me: Nah, go with Kelvin for the real kick
@@nerien4448 kelvin and Hobbs
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Well, I suppose Celsius 234 does have more of a ring to it.
@@keithscott1957 Indeed. So does Kelvin 505.
17:48 Birds, particularly small ones, handle smoke pretty poorly. Think canary in the coalmine. They were used to warn about gas pockets because they would asphyxiate before humans - giving people time to escape before it was too late.
This video is insanely well-timed for me. I have not seen this movie, but I finished my first reading of the book last night. I have never read a book from beginning to end as fast as I did Farenheit 451.
And after watching the entirety of this video, I thank you for saving me the agony of watching it. You have done a great service today.
Okay I didn't know about Fallacy Fallacy damn Daniel coming in full guns blazing lmao
The Goblin is a master of the rhetoric arts.
We already had a good movie of Fahrenheit 451, it's called Equilibrium.
Right? When I first saw the movie I definitely compared the two. I guess it only works though if you interpret the message for Fahrenheit as being about censorship though, as opposed to about how media affects us.
I loved the puppy in the movie.
@@inabacklistmood3124 not to mention, it gave us freaking Gun-kata!
@@jasonschmucker Equilibrium has gun-kata, this movie doesn't. Equilibrium > Fahrenheit 451
Woooooo it’s philosophical Daniel time
I know intent when writing vs. being interviewed can vary. That being said, Bradbury made it pretty clear that Tv=bad books=good was a big theme of the novel. It was more important to him than censorship, if that makes any sense.
He was a staunch opponent of anti-intellectualism; he felt that books inspired deeper thoughts and feelings than TV could.
When a movie with gun-fu adapts Fahrenheit 451 better than you, you have done something horribly wrong 🤣
When I saw it I was excited too. I thought it was going to be a miniseries like Westworld GOT etc... That would have been cool to see how this world came to be and get more in depth. Oh well.
Not because i enjoy you being in pain.... but these rants are my favorite 🤩
Admittedly I love hearing the rants to get a real opinion and also a little to see him in pain, because then I know what I can give a miss to
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First of all I want to say, that’s a very well created review! Personally I think the mechanical hound was cut because it would have been too expensive to create the visuals, wich is a total shame that would have given them more than enough action scenes. Also you are absolutely right on the social media aspect. However I think if they started to censor the internet right at the beginning of it something similar too the state of North Korea could have been achieved.
You read “chiefs” as “chefs”. Not a problem, wish it was “chefs” in the book actually
Chefs is funnier.
I haven't read the book in a couple of years, but I remember coming away feeling that the book was much more about technology dumbing down humanity than about censorship. I think the idea was that the books give humanity the ideas to save ourselves.
In that sense, I understand why they thought including social media was a good idea, but I also think it wasn't done well.
Laughing so hard, people in the other room came in to check on me. BEST RANT EVER!
The problem in censorship is that the censors rarely volunteer to be censored first.
All I knew about this book was it's dystopian
I thought the would was scorched and was 451 degrees and people had to live underground
The only thing I remember from my mandatory reading is the vacuum thing that sucks out all of your insides and replaces it with new stuff.
Hooray, we're doing 'phrasing'. This I like 😁
Class video, Daniel. I do love your work.
Birds, which were used in mines as a detection of bad air... survives smoke in a burning building. Well OK.
After watching this I definitely need to read the book again. I don’t quite remember the VR concept from the book, but the way you described it kind of reminds me of this episode of Black Mirror where there’s a dystopian society where the lower class lives inside rooms completely surrounded by screens. I understand why an adaptation like this would want to show something more familiar to audiences, but I still think it would have been better for them to make something more creative and out there similar to Bradbury’s original vision. Just because we have a lot of the technology Bradbury imagined doesn’t mean we should just include normal modern tech. Put a fictional spin on it
Anytime I watch a movie, I give it thirty minutes and then decide if I’ll continue to watch it or not. I didn’t even get past five minutes of the 2018 movie adaptation without turning it off. It felt like such a disrespectful cash grab of the original, powerful content.
Can confirm, canaries in coal mines. Not specifically smoke inhalation but it’s the same principal. Also, can confirm, as a Canadian, we have all your books. ALL OF THEM!
I read it this August and it was incredible, probably my favorite book ever.
I think the themes hold up today, with the whole PC policies that are becoming more common.
"Equilibrium was kinda neat, let's do that."
Canada has all the books US has. Maybe even more.
This came out just after i read the book for high school, and i was actually excited for the movie, then it sucked and i was sad. Also everyone in my english class thought montag was trying to get with the 17 year old girl which we all found strange for obvious reasons
“The internet exists in a society that rejects free thought.” Yes it’s called Twitter
Yep.
First i saw the 1966 movie, and i loved it ! Powerful message ! We live in such hard times, and we as artists feel exactly as the books burn within the world of Bradbury.
Because of their size birds handle smoke inhalation worse than humans. Since the CO2 concentration on their blood spikes way faster, also they are birds, they don't know they're supposed to not breath the smoke.
I remember reading this in HS and almost my whole class saw this book like this:
The first 100 pages: eh
The last 100 pages: WTF!?!?!
Didn't think I'd hear daniel talking about the political compass in one of his videos, but he was very tactful and nonbiased as always. Great vid! Also I gotta say the concept of a fahrenheit 451 movie adaptation is a liiiitle bit ironic.
Great video man, wow. Just watched the movie and read the book for the first time a few weeks ago. This video was very well put together.
Hey Daniel, Part two of a great anime called Great Pretender has just come out on Netflix. I think you might very much like it, as it is set around the world (Los Angeles, Singapore, London, Shanghai & Tokyo) It follows a group of con artists doing these extremely over the top schemes.
It's sad that Equilibrium is a better Fahrenheit movie than the Fahrenheit movie is.
I thought that exact same thing! I was really looking forward to the new Fahrenheit 451 movie but as soon as that social media messaging thing started up I knew it was going to be disappointing. Equilibrium, whilst more of a combo F-451 and 1984, is definitely a better place to get a "modern" take on F-451.
@@brettmckenzie5101 I absolutely agree with you there, about the 'combo' between the two. And I would not be surprised at all if that's what the writers behind Equilibrium had in mind when they made it.
I read Fahrenheit 451 over 40 years ago and its impact still stays with me. Thanks for the great movie review. I won't be watching whereas I might have otherwise wasted my time.
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I believe the reason the kid can memorise 13,000 books is because as you say, he studies 4 a day. He started with the Caterpillar, the A-Z and the numbers book and carried on with all youtubers videos. It totally makes sense Daniel!
I find it amusing how suddenly it ended. It was very-
This was incredible! Easily one of my favorite movie reviews that you've done!
Hilariously ironic for Farenheit 451 to be turned into a movie
The smoke inhalation and the bird keep cracking me up hahahha
When they adapted the Giver, I stopped watching adaptations of books I really love (unless I hear it's great from fellow book lovers). I heard that they removed the wall screens and I was like, "oh, okay. I guess as long as there's interactive VR media it doesn't matter." Then I heard that most of the movie was at night, the wife was gone, and he had a relationship with Clarisse. "well maybe they combined elements to make the book fit better on screen and make it more edgy."
Then you said the Hounds were removed too and I am just done with this movie. Have to wait for the adaptation of my dreams I guess.
I imagined the wall screens like that Black Mirror episode with the cycling for power and the competition and the Hounds like Ravage from Transformers. They had the resources to make the high-tech censored world of my (and likely all of our dreams) but failed and decided to stick unnecessary threads in (relationship, social media, etc.). At least the 1966 one was good.
I did read this for high school and since I had a cool teacher and my best friend was in my English class I read it twice and now it’s my favorite book. I’m scared to hear how they botched it.
Edit: BIRDS?!??!?!?? Also birds handle smoke inhalation so much worse! Miner canaries! Look it up!
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I agree with their choice to include the Internet and Social Media as it fits some of the themes with his wife and society.
I completely forgot about the bird...
Btw, you forgot to mention they left out the whole apocalyptic war that was going on around them.
The moment he was looking at the bird I did think he would torch it.
Another few things they completely left out albeit changing the whole story for no reason, was Mildreds (Guy Montsgs wife) friends which he proceeded to read a poem to them and made one cry which non of them approved or liked. They left out Faber a crucial character for the ending, the secret society group by the fire, and the goddamn war. Like how much do you have to alter a genuine sense able plot and story for something else. I dont understand that.
You say that the book makes its point "extremely well". I'd say that you're wrong about that. Most people who read it (yourself included) always talk about censorship as a main theme. Bradbury was very clear in interviews that the book had nothing to do with censorship but was about the dumbing down of audiences by television and popular culture.
It's a great book, I loved it when I read it, but a book that an author writes that is supposed to be about one thing that is constantly being held up as being about something else entirely can't be said to "make its point extremely well".
Happy thanksgiving,Daniel. Everyone! I hope you all are enjoying yourselves.
Haven't finished the full video yet but I just wanted to comment on your point about the internet/social media existing in a society that is opposed to free thought:
Considering how Twitter and other social media sites are all concentrated in one part of the world where people share similar politics, pander to the same demographics and have been shown to either outright ban or shadow ban people who don't conform (but have actually done nothing to break their terms of service) - I wholeheartedly disagree.
Admittedly, the current state of things doesn't match up to this extreme authoritarian depiction, but I can definitely see the internet existing in a censored and controlled state in the same way we can foresee the mainstream media being controlled.
The plot of Fahrenheit 451 seems to become closer and closer to reality.
My question is, how did Bradberry come up with ear buds (sea shells)
Great video. One of (if not) the best critique videos I've watched.
I just read this for school and know I know that I will NEVER watch that movie!!!
Not to be mean but in a way this is also a failure of the US education system - the director/co-writer is an American and couldn't understand the book's message even though it's mandatory reading in school? Oh boy... It's also one of the more straightforward classics, so I'm double confused.
It's not necessarily that they didn't understand the book. But they thought they could improve on it, make it 'cooler' instead of something you had to read. Whenever a screenwriter or director working on a literary adaptation starts to say, 'Wouldn't it be cool (or edgy or epic) if...' an angel weeps. And, of course, mindless popular drama (TV, to Bradbury) burning away the literary qualities of books is exactly what Farenheit 451 is about.
Feels like we're living in a dystopian future right now O.O
Authoritarian left - watch your mouth
Authoritarian right - watch your back
"Almost every single scene is at night"
EXACTLY how I imagined it when I read the book
it was definitely done intentionally
I have 4 indoor pigeons as companions. Birds have extremely sensitive respiratory systems. You can't use non stick pans, self cleaning functions on an oven, air purifies with ionizers and ozone, or you will kill your birds. Also things like scented candles, incense, and essential oils, are very bad for them. So smoke? Yeah that bird is deaaad
I read 451 as an adult. While I appreciate your nuance about the politics of it, I’m still surprised that people don’t notice all the other things wrong with it BESIDES the politics. The misogyny, the tropes, the fanciful and unbelievable trappings around a serious conversation. Also, the girl in the books was fetishized, too. I haven’t seen the movie. And Bradbury’s writing is beautiful at times. But the book is full of contempt for women besides the “perfect child.” He literally describes the society’s lunacy as feminine. And I can’t sympathize with a lead who beats his wife.
I really don't remember any misogny or beating. I think you've got it wring.
This comment did not age well ... (the feminist movement can't even define the word woman now)
I had NIGHTMARES about those freaking robot dogs. They are pretty cool tho
When I watched this with my parents I may or may not have cried and my Dad told me I was being ridiculous 😂🤦🏼♀️
Reread this book as an adult and I love it. I was excited for this movie and unfortunately I also felt it feel flat on its face.
"The bird is right there just shoot it!"
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It's Thanksgiving so I find this extra funny today😂 Great video!!!
Ray Bradbury was from my hometown and I actually got to hear him speak at our local library about 20 years ago. It was really exciting even though at the time I hadn't yet read any of his books. He was a funny and entertaining speaker.
I've now since read Faranheit 451 and I've got to say I actually liked the movie adaptation from the '60s better than the book, as it made some changes that I think actually improved the story, like aging up the girl character to be an adult, so she can serve to be a direct contrast to Montag's wife, who is effectively played by the same actress. I was bummed it didn't include the mechanical spider dogs, but I don't think they had the technology to make that happen in a movie back then. Haven't seen this newer adaptation.
Thank you for this review! Curious. What are your thoughts on the film Equilibrium?
My mans breaking out the political compass, you know it's getting real
I literally turned in an assignment about Fahrenheit 451 a week ago.... I had to like reimagine it as a Netflix mini series and do the thumbnails and the poster and instead of photoshopping.... I drew it all and it took too much time I hated that assignment
I'd be down for more movie reviews
It seems like they tried to pull from Handmaid's tale with the whole "get to Canada" thing and from Blade Runner 2049 with the whole wife-is-Alexa thing. Which, of course, just failed. Like sure, those elements in those stories worked, but you can't just pick aspects out of other stories you like and try to make them work in something else, especially a story that already has source material. Oh yeah, also, the social media thing was so Hunger Games! People tuning in to watch the worst of human behavior.... They really should have just stuck to the book for this one. And yes, where are the damn mechanical hounds?!
Would be curious to know your thoughts on the short-lived adaptation of Brave New World on Peacock. I personally liked it a lot better than this adaptation, and liked the changes they made. But lots of people didn't, because it differs so much from the book.
She reveals the codename out of defiance, and a desperate need to have faith that the resistance is smarter than the firefighters no matter what. Kinda like, "Yeah, that's our name, you bastards, and we're bringing you down and there's nothing you can do about it". I thought it was very psychologically realistic.
You thought it was, but it isn’t
After we read Farenheit 451 in school my teacher trotted out the 1966 film version.
Ok, I came back to this video because the more I think about it, the less sense the bird DNA thingy makes. Now, I am NOT an expert on genetics and stuff, but I AM a Biology student and have a basic understanding. So maybe someone that knows more than I do can correct me if I'm wrong. (Also, haven't seen the movie so if there is any in-world explanation, I missed it).
I'll try to be brief, but a genetic code has 4 possible molecules per "digit" (which humans have labelled A, C, G and T). That, of course, isn't enough to write anything by itself. However, if you combine them by trios, you would get 64 combinations (4x4x4). In fact, thats how proteins are synthesized, a trio of DNA bases codes for a single aminoacid (the components that constitute proteins) which also are assigned an arbitrary letter. The thing is, many aminoacids can be correlated to several different combinations of three, so if you were to use this known code to write books, you would be missing some letters (let alone punctuation marks and spaces, etc.).
This issue could be resolved by sharing a code in common, where you ignore the biological function of DNA and just take it as an encription languaje (in which case, why bother giving the code to Canada when you could just have given them the books). The problem with this is that the genetic code has actual functions that keep the birdie alive. Yes, there is a lot of filler space. Enough to write an entire culture of literature, without erratic gaps, without disrupting the vital code that was previously there, and without leaving signals and indicators that werent there, and would be read by the molecular machinery in each cell, causing who knows what random processes to occur and things to be made???? Yeah, I don't think so.
This was an utterly pointless rant, but at least if someone gets something out of it, i'll be happy!
I read it few years back. MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE TOO.
Equilibrium was a better movie