Fahrenheit 451 (2018) - The Dom Reviews
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- When Killmonger can't make your movie interesting you know you're in trouble. The Dom reviews HBO's attempt at adapting a book written in 1953 into something modern and topical.
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I love how Bradbury thought we're oversensitive today even though back when he wrote 451 moralists were screaming about the threat of Elvis' wiggling hips and God forbid if they showed a flushing toilet or a couple's queen size bed on TV!
There will always be people who'll fall on the ground and scream over nothing. It's just that now we have the internet and we can't avoid hearing them.
Not to mention he definitely remember the HAZE code. Like yes my dude that was done by minorities.
@@the_demon_cat337 Oh I bet the guy loved the HAZE code.
I'm increasingly fascinated by the cultural narrative of white guys who bitch that they can't be assholes anymore, while simultaneously being totally oversensitive to any and all criticism, whether historical, contemporary, or legitimate.
It's a little dismaying to see Bradbury wasn't immune to his socialization. He's basically like "We can't criticize these marginalized groups from our position of zero empathy and zero experience anymore!"
Yeah, maybe that's cause we're more interested in building a society that's a circle, not a ladder?
@@the_demon_cat337 Are you ranting about the "Hays code" named after Will H Hays?
"In 1929, Catholic layman Martin Quigley, editor of the prominent trade paper Motion Picture Herald, and Jesuit priest Father Daniel A. Lord, created a code of standards and submitted it to the studios. Lord was particularly concerned with the effects of sound film on children, whom he considered especially susceptible to their allure. In February 1930, several studio heads, including Irving Thalberg of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, met with Lord and Quigley. After some revisions, they agreed to the stipulations of the Code."
"In 1963, MPAA president Eric Johnston died, setting a three-year period marked by a power struggle between two factions, which led to an erratic application of the Code. Finally, the "liberal" faction prevailed by 1966, installing Jack Valenti as the Association's new head. The chaos of the interim period had rendered enforcement impossible and Valenti, an opponent of the Production Code, began working on a rating system under which film restrictions would lessen, an idea that had been considered as early as 1960 in response to the success of the non-approved Some Like It Hot and Anatomy of a Murder."
He was critical of the hays code, dumass.
You have access to unlimited information, yet choose to remain ignorant.
You are exactly the problem.
10 bucks says you guys have never read a book you weren't forced to.
We watched this as a class in Honors English. We all hated it. Our teacher laughed at it. My best friend wrote an essay about everything wrong with it and how each thing it did wrong ruins the plot, the original idea of the story, and pretty much everything about it and turned in the essay just because he wanted to.
Well well well... your class was definitely deserving of the Honors.
"Instead of firemen we have firewalls," said the old Firemen. "In my day we had to feel the heat of a flamethrower, not just the warmth of a laptop."
Still no Mechanical Hound? Man, why are all the cool monsters from literature always left out of the film adaptations?
Enshohma i see it as a good thing-no crappy CGI ruining things
One of the common mores of moveimakers trying to make their adaptations topical, regardless of how well it fits the original work. Some of the coolest parallels/metaphors gets dumped in favor of being more blunt about things people already got in the 1st palace.
I feel like they could totally have made a physical one. They obviously had a huge budget. It could work like K-9 from Doctor Who and that was made in the 70s.
Enshohma because the people making them hate fun and joy.
*cough*HarryPoter*cough*
In response to the theory that it's the minorities that demand censorship, in Quebec the government removed the name of a whale shaped rock that marked a slave burial ground (I'll give you three guesses what that name was), and black people opposed the name change, because it actually followed a pattern of pretending there was no history of slavery in Canada. Censorship is often framed as protecting the 'poor put upon minorities', but it's more often something that's used to protect those in power from awkward conversations.
NightBaker what was it called?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say Moby Dick or something.
@@undeadladybug7723 ... thats a bad name because?
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 You guys really can't figure it out?
www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/10/01/quebec-group-pushes-ottawa-to-recognize-former-slave-burial-site.html
@@NihilusShadow (Clicks Link) Yep I knew it had to have that word involved somewhere.
Wait, so their plan was to use *one* bird? It's a songbird, they aren't exactly at the top of the food chain, aren't they worried that it will get eaten by a falcon or get shot by a random farmer or something? I'm sure the film itself has a perfectly reasonable explanation for this, but why didn't they just make, like, a dozen or a hundred magic birds, to increase the chances that at least one will make it?
Andrew Tennant Because *DRAMA!*
Library of Alexandria... Only bird
I think he got that part slightly wrong. But as for the Bird, I believe it was the scientist who died who managed to inject the bird before she died. It wasn't intentional.
@@SuperWolfkin I mean if they needed a beacon for each bird, that's going to limit how many they can send if they're that fixated on sending them with one. Personally I'd say forget the beacon and mass produce the birds, Canada will find one of them eventually. They then wouldn't have exposed themselves to danger by dragging Montag into it.
@@shadenox8164 you can make a bunch of birds and still tag one or a few, they'll probably stick together anyway
As a person who went to a British school “Banned Book Day” was so odd as so many books have been banned by lots of schools because of silly things like a gay side character or the use of one naughty word
Fahrenheit 451 is on the banned books list in America. The whole concept is so stupid I can’t properly appreciate the irony.
@@Asrael12 I've noticed that 1984, Animal Farm and other books with anti-socialist/Communist undertones are banned in the Northeast by schools. It's a bit ironic considering the political leanings of that part of the country. There are a few that deal with slavery, racism, and the Jim-Crow South (both pro and against) banned across the US for using certain language and the ideas included themselves. We need to approach them as historical works written in a social and historical context worthy of being picked apart in an intellectual manner. They have a place in schools, even if not in mainstream casual reading.
@@NoESanity And yet, Steven King books like IT and Carrie were in my school library.
@@Asrael12 Who's banned book list? It was required reading in my fairly conservative Midwestern American grade school. Catholic lists and the like have no actual teeth.
@@Asrael12 It probably different from district to district. I read F451 in middle school here in Arkansas
Eh, burning alive is not a big deal. I set myself on fire every Thursday night, it really takes the edge off the stress of the week and gives me the final push for Friday.
I've heard it's a good fat burner
John O ́neil personally I use ritualistic sacrifice for the same purpose (on other people, not myself) but to each their own.
Same! I’m so glad it’s not only me who does that!
@@artgirlasmr1980 🤦🏼♂️
Ray Bradbury was right about politics correctness
Your statement that "no one's gonna remember it" is so accurate that as of now, in February of 2019, I had never heard of this movie before watching your Lost in Adaptation video 😂
And of course they make Clarisse a hot love interest... that saddens me so much. She was a teenager in the book and feel like turning her into a love interest is disgusting. Wish they just kept it more book accurate.
An adult being a platonic friend with a teenager of the opposite sex?How unorthodox!We cant have that in television!!
DaemianLucifer
XD
Basically yah.
Nah man, she's a woman in a movie. She's not allowed not to be a hot love interest.
When I first read the book I thought their friendship was partially Montag getting a feel of what it might've been like if he and his wife had a child... So her as a love interest in adaptations always grosses me out
Also doesn't Clarisse die like half-way through the book or am I just remembering it wrong
This sounds like they tried to combine Fahrenheit 451 with Children of Men and ruined both.
Lynette Browning-Brock That actually doesn't sound so bad as a concept
I'd say Neuromancer and other cyberpunk is a better comparison. It even has its own lingo, not unlike many cyberpunk novels ("eels", "the nine", etc.).
Ray Bradbury was right political correctness is running the world
I can see physically destroying the hardware being for the psychological effect. Having your internet shut off sucks, having your home invaded and stuff burnt in public makes a very strong statement.
Also. I can imagine the firemen using advanced technology to figure out where the computers hosting the servers for things like torrent sites are. Then proceeding to destroy said computers to eliminate the sites at the source in a sense.
The lesson movie makers should have learned from the Emoji Movie:
Don't use emojis in your movie. If you do, it's probably not going to end up as an unforgettably great movie.
So if you make a great movie with great characters, great villains, great writing, great sound quality, amazing acting, fantastic music, great plot, no plot holes, no filler, great comedy, action, drama and suspense, people will consider one of the greatest films of all time, but if you but an emoji into your movie even a small appearance it’s immediately one of the worst films of all time.
Jesse 7797 r/wooosh
Jesse 7797 Absolutely
It will be a film which looks dated after about three years.
That film had Patrick Stewart playing literal POO!
For those of you who didn't watch video #1, Clarisse in the books was a preteen girl with a fascinating lifestyle that greatly reflected how people are living now in areas without the use of technology. He was married to an excessively boring woman named Mildred who can't even remember the day they met, symbolizing how fickle their lives are.
In this move, Clarisse is the love interest.
Gross.
Clarisse is 16 in the book. Anyway, she's aged up in the movie so I don't see the issue (especially since she's clearly a very different person now). It's also worth pointing out the same thing happened in the first movie adaptation (she was aged up and was also a love interest).
Talking properly the producers aged her enough to avoid bad reviews comming from that issue...
12:39 Your description of Montag looking at the VHS tape reminded me of an Adventure Time joke where Simon and Marceline "watch" one by looking at the tape, then saying it's boring and that he liked the book better.
So a book about society ignoring their feelings leading to mass depression, is made into "Damn them Internets! Wait where's the Sun?"
As SF Debris said. "There's a big difference between being complex, and being complicated." someone should have told that to this adaptations writers.
The Mechanical Hound's absence is especially frustrating because all they'd have to do is copy the robot dogs from the recent Wolfenstein games, you'd have a frightening and cool visual that a drone can't quite replicate
Or those creepy robot dogs from that episode of Black Mirror 😬
Heck. As far as other films go that have creepy hounds in CGI. They could've EASILY copied the robotic hounds from The Nutcracker: The Untold Story/In 3D which came out IN TWENTY TEN!
I suspect this was an originally work at some point, but they either decided that they wanted to cash in on the books popularity, or someone noticed a few similarities between the two and decided to make it an adaption.
Or maybe they wanted to do a modern update of it and just failed.
Will Rigby The I Robot and Starship Troopers method of adaptation
@@merrittanimation7721 except without Will Smith or a combination of satire and massive hindsight.
Alas, I'm not the only one who is pissed off at the severe lack of the ROBO DOGS!
The idea of a room where all four walls are TVs was actually explored by Bradbury in a wonderful short story called The Veldt (which was written 3 years before Fahrenheit 451)/
Yes, of course that's the point of The Veldt, but since Dom talked about the "room TV" idea I thought I'll mention that.
I love that story! Star Trek TNG kind of borrowed the idea for their "Holodeck".
@@americancitizen748 The Veldt is also one of the segments in Jack Smight's The Illustrated Man.
I had to read this book in 8th grade, and the message shook me to the core in such a way (not sure if it was good or bad) that it was certainly memorable. I'm saddened to see it so mishandled by people who have previously proved they can do a decent job of creating movies and tv shows.
Girl with the pearl earring isn’t just on display here in the Netherlands, but it is Dutch! Made by Ver Meer
The Government banned books to make people dumber?
Nahhhh. We are plenty dumb enough already.
Perhaps the government were actually the ones who created social media.
Rocked America 2018, where facts and statistics can literally be ignored and replaced with an alternate history
Ben Wasserman America ain't the only olace where that happens.
A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. - Agent K
Ben Wasserman 😂👍 LITTERALLY! I am so ready to just jump ship and leave for Europe if I can ever qualify for a visa!
I literally had almost the same conversation with my sister today about a current Robocop comic. The original Robocop made fun of american materialism and capitalism, but in this comic, social media is the biggest threat and was taken so seriously, I stopped reading.
The original Robocop literally had a privately owned cop who's corporate masters superceded the law by design.
It was not a subtle movie, why do people always miss this?
@@kabobawsome Just going from the description in mmmhhm's comment, I'd say it doesn't sound like the comic creator missed the point of Robocop. It's more like they took a property that is known for social commentary and used it to make comments on their own pet issue. Or maybe was given the task of making a a Robocop comic and figured that it had to be 'about something' and made it about something that's a little more recent. It's a bit ironic, that the ideas about consumerism and corporate power vs public interest are just as relevant now as they were in 1987 - they just need a little tweaking to make them up to date to resonate with a modern audience.
In my experience with viewing movies, whenever someone tries to be too "hip" or too "topical", you get a very messy, very forgettable product, and you lose the message you were hoping to convey.
It's a shame, too, because I was just talking about this movie a couple of weeks ago with a co-worker, and we were both curious about it... Thanks for saving us the time, Dom!
Funny, a second thing The Dom mentioned as Bradbury anticipating incorrectly, walls of screens instead of vr helmets, has actually become accurate 2 years after the video with things like The Mandalorian's LED screen virtual sets with real time Unreal Engine environment rendering. 2020-2021 is officially dystopian future now.
To be fair that's just an extension of green screen. Not that dystopian
Rarely get to see your video that early, so just want to say a huge Thank You for your awesome content! I absolutely love it! You provide great commentary and have wonderful dry humor. Once I get on steady payroll, I will become your patreon!
11:46 Mostly, what one can learn from art is anatomy, light and shadow and gesture (the art of making even still pictures look animated). Most classical art, such as The Girl With A Pearl Earring is considered revolutionary because it marks people stopping to use art as a religious source of media and beginning to use it to depict less holy, more mundane things in life. This thanks to certain parts of Christianity.
Yeah the early Protestant movement really wanted to move away from religious art (and by that I mean destroy paintings and statues and heresy as they were considered false idols)
Thankfully this soak lead to the revolutionary idea to stop painting babies with adults faces
You can't actually get that from the paintings, you'll have to read someone covering that subject.
I don't think Fahrenheit 451 will ever work in film, it's a book about reading. It's like if they decided to adapt Cinema Paridiso into a novel.
I think it would work if it was done in a retro-futuristic style, like Fallout.
That's what they said about Dune
In the year 1966 they did a better job. The Wife was a character. Clarice is an adult teacher who was fired from her job. Fun Fact the same actress who was the Wife was Clarice with different hair and clothes. Both Clarice and Wife were in different scenes.
5:23 “As you know, Starlings are more resistant to fire inhalation”
Is that a SotL joke?
_”Have the fires stopped burning, Clarice?”_
9:00 (as we all watch this on our smart phones and laptops while drinking our B&L mega sodas)
It’s interesting to see how Michael Shannon is making a career out of playing “the big bad WASP” ie SHAPE OF WATER.
The book has such a special place in my heart so I'm very possessive over it. Watching the trailer with my mom I was immediately like "that looks like it's going to be shit" and I don't think I was wrong.
The two things that made me so angry was the loss of subtlety and what they did to Clarisse. Everything was so big and sensationalized when in the book everyone kept to themselves. No one really gave a shit about each other and kind of shrugged at anyone who's books were burned like "Well they deserved it". And Clarisse was so interesting. She was so strange and unique, she made Montag think. I never really got a whole relationship brewing thing. I just kind of saw it as if she was like the one to "enlighten" him and he became interested in that idea of her unlocking things he didn't even know about. But killing her off early kind of took away that. She was the only real human interaction he really got.
I'm probably just going to read the book again until I forget about the movie.
My heart wasn’t ready for that Ray Bradbury quote 😢. Ive always loved Ray. The disappointment 😩
So Bradbury was an "anti-sjw"...I'm not really surprised. That's not really as uncommon with social commentary as it seems.
More like, today's "anti-sjws" are the same as yesteryear's anti-activists. Worthless old coots scared shitless of a superior world that is leaving them behind.
When you mean "silence opposition" do you mean alt-right/Nazis and homophobes... people who want different people DEAD?
Monroville
Also recent history has shown that it’s not Islamic that cause all terrorist attacks in this country, most of it is right wing so yeah I can see why The DOJ jumped to that conclusion. Remember the tree of life shooting, 16th street baptist church bombing, Centennial Park bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, the Sikh temple shooting, the Charleston church shooting, the congressional baseball shootings, Charlottesville, the Pittsburg synagogue shooting, the Escondido fire and shooting, and the El Paso shooting. So yeah I get what you mean but understand terrorist attacks in America tend to be perpetrated by non Muslim Americans.
@@TheRealNormanBates 100% of the extremist killings in 2018 in the us were done by the far-right
Lady of Dawn what do you consider “extremist” violence? And 100%? You aren’t being a bit politically bigoted are you?
The "getting dumber" isn't entirely accurate because it neglects the reason people were allowing it/choosing it (old vs new film). The book explains it more clearly. They have become lazy and fearful of the "other". So they allow the censorship because it's easier for them and allows them to forget the "other", which they prefer over the alternative. But the alternative, this is created by the government and it's only purpose is to cause fear and helplessness. So, they didn't want the control; they were manipulated into believing they needed it.
I love your t-shirt!!! Every time I see i just think "what a guy!"
Ace: I didn't know you were gay.Kryton: I'm not. Been happily married for over 20 years. There is just something about you.
I remember hearing they were doing another adaptation of my favourite book a couple years back and was like, "Maybe this one will be better...." and then forgot about it in the upheaval that is life.
At first I was like, "Cool, they made Montag black, I kind of dig that." Also, the guy they got to play Beaty is pretty much exactly as I pictured him. That's as far as I got into this review before I was like, "Wait wut.... No. No no no no. no...." Just... SOMEONE GIVE ME A HOUND GOD DAMMIT. That thing was terrifying! When his leg is pins and needles and he's running away, my god it was visceral. I was on the edge of my seat. And where the fuck is his wife?? Frankly, I know it's weird, but I enjoyed her character so much in the book for how she perfectly encapsulated all that is fucked up in a society that demonizes knowledge and introspection. I definitely don't think her OD was completely accidental. And I definitely think she had to actually try to remain ignorant and blissfully unawares. She was such a flawed, messed up character who absolutely hated herself and hated her life life, but hated the thought of denying society and facing reality even more.
...Oh god... if I go on about everything else that's missing from just what I've seen here and what's changed around (I don't even want to talk about Clarisse....), I'm going to write a frickin' essay in the comment section again. I told myself I'd stop doing that....
Dammit! Bradbury, you deserve better than this. D:
"Hello, Clarice."
I'll defend literally nothing else about this version, but I think it was a nice touch making the fire service extra militarised.
Just like what happened to the police.
Yup :0
12:25 It reminds me of birds that collect random things, and I thought "OOoooh, Like a Starling! drawing parallels!" But no, I was confusing Starlings with Magpies. I guess why they made the bird a starling (because of the *visual* of really cool it's flying patterns, which probably symbolize/foreshadow natural communication and humanity/society's reconnection) but they could have also made it *a magpie* which would have been even MORE symbolic because it COLLECTS things.
This comment section has gone to the birds. ;-)
When Dom says Clarice I always think about The Silence of the Lambs
Please do a Lost In Adaptation of Lolita, the 1990s version is more accurate in portraying the sinister tones of Humphrey with little details such as asking about a boy Lolita plays with instead of how she's doing but the 1960s version is more famous so whichever you prefer to use is okay.
The Omnus thing actually isn't that far out. The concept is based on tech we have today, scientist say it's possible to graft data onto DNA and a strand of DNA has A RIDICULOUSLY MASSSSSSSIVE amount of storage. The equvalant of 1,000,000TB of storage (1 exabyte)
Coding with DNA is possible. Coding it into "one particle" is not.
That would be a strand of DNA though, which can remember not only what a creature is now, but what it's every ancestor was. A single particle is going a bit far.
ReddwarfIV and Robert Gronewold excuse me, I hadn't payed attention to the particle thing.
Vulpine Deity Other way around, actually. Fucked it up in an exam so I have to remember. HAVE TO.
+Robert Gronewold "which can remember not only what a creature is now, but what it's every ancestor was."
This is not true. You cannot find the genome of early tetrapods in human DNA. You cannot find the sequence of our common ancestor with chimps. We just have *our* DNA, along with a lot of junk or inactive genes.
Ayy! I see that Ace Rimmer shirt!
What a guy!
Considering how the book was about ppl allowing themselves to be dumbed down by their own technology, I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see the (over)use of emojis being the primary mode of communication among the youth of this adaptation. (That said, however, the _execution_ of such a thematic adaptation would still need to be considered…)
I didn't really remember it and was very surprised when I found the name of the protagonist in the comments after I watched your video. "Montag" is Monday in German and I think I understood something like Montague whenever you said it :D
There are some artworks that go on tour so to speak and are sent to museums and galas all over the world. There’s also a possibility of it being sold to another museum. When I interned at the Norman Rockwell museum in Lenox MA one of the things I learned was how to properly pack a sold painting worth millions. It could be that girl with the pearl earring just happened to be in the wrong place wrong time, but who knows
I haven't read this book in a while so the details were coming back to me slowly as the synopsis began, and while the the first thing I realy objected to was the punishment for books being changed to the fingerprint thing as opposed to the mechanical hound (seriously, WHERE is the mechanical hound??) I didn't actually realize how big a of a clusterfuck this was going to be until he described Clarisse. How DARE they butcher her character like that
Equilibrium didn’t have the level of thought of the book but at least had some (half) decent action. This movie has neither
I adore your Red Dwarf shirt. That was an unexpected. treat to find on this video.
Just watching this now, but I noticed how badly they screwed up with the firemen burning the keyboards and modedms... They could've used that scene that Dom mentioned and called that division the FIREWALL ffs. It's about as accurate as calling those guys "firemen" and gives you the feel that there is the digital side of the job
I just read the Fahrenheit 451 novel, and I loved it. It's like finding out Kafka was actually a white supremacist all over again.
Godddamn it.
Fahrenheit 451 is one of my favorite sci-fi novels and Ray Bradbury is one of my favorite authors. I was planning on watching this movie but, bad adaptations kinda ruin books for me. These videos is super helpful to me. Also I totally agree with you about the hound, technology using nature's image to create something horrifying is kinda a key theme in all of Bradbury's work.
Dammit, Michael Shannon is a fantastic actor, why does he keep making these crappy movies?
Modems? Really? Modems?
*aliens guy* "Modems."
Are you unfamiliar with them or can't believe internet is still crappy enough that modem still exists?
Right. I'm so stupid that I have no clue what a modem is. GTFOH
@@corvus1374 I'm just wondering why that reaction. I figured nowadays modems don't exist because of good wireless internet, and Ethernet is apparently a completely separate thing.
You tried to shame me for apparently, according to you, not knowing what a modem is.
The part about the movie not aging well and being completely forgotten is accurate- I didn't even know this movie was a thing until this video popped up on my feed.
I get that they needed the internet to replace still exist in the adaptation to serve the same role as television did in the original, but I still think they could have found a way to remove the concept of the written word while keeping the internet involved. Rather than having emojis make up the majority of text, why not just establish that recording media is no longer available, and the only form of mass communication utilized is live streams and video chats.
How did I miss this jewel of an episode and YOUR SMASHING SHIRT 💖
In high school we did Fahrenheit as our school play. We read the book and watched the movie before reading the script. As such, I place Equilibrium as my favorite action film that dose not come out of Hong Kong. I am so happy I found your review before watching this.
Those kind of bird parties are called a murmuration
Wow...talk about in name only. Jesus. What a mess
I give credit to Michael B. Jordan (though I love Dom replacing “Jordan” with “Montag” during the review) & Michael Shannon for trying their best. Updating most of the tech made sense for this adaptation since we have many of the tech available that Bradbury predicted, but was excessive in the long run. I really did want to like this adaptation, but I’ll stick with the ‘66 film and the novel thank you
So really this was they wanted to make a topical anti-Trump’s America message and decided to shove Ray Bradbury into it rather than let it stand on its own because they weren’t smart enough how to take Ray Bradbury’s writing and make it relevant to 2018
So making it about the 2018 president isn’t making it relevant to 2018? I really need your guys to stop this “get over all the crazy shit our president is doing” bs. People are going to want to write stories about the presidency because these are strange times and stories are how we articulate these feelings
It's not really anti-Trump as much as it's just anti-government/ anti-establishment in general. As movies/ books have always been because people who identify as artistic and free thinking are about sticking it to the man. Always have, always will be.
Anyway I still find it hilarious how anti-liberal people still view and consume content made by likely liberal content creators (be it TH-cam, movies, TV, etc.) and complain about them having a *ghasp* liberal opinion.
And Herman, all media is propaganda of some kind. They all have a theme and narrative they're trying to impress apon the masses. Be it magazine and billboard ads for toothpaste, a TH-cam review on music/ movies, music by your favorite artists, fashion, etc. People have thoughts and feelings on the world around them and if they create shit they're probably going to express it. Also, the government has always had shady shit going on. Literally during every presidency there were people on the inside who either didn't agree with the president or just personally didn't like them so they'd stir some shit to make them look bad. This isn't new information. Welcome to the world.
Herman Cillo so I looked up Harry Greenwood fbi and found... nothing. Yep, really looks like the most important thing going on right now with the US violating international law and removing itself from the UN human rights council. Or starting a trade war with my country. But this fabricated scandal is definitely the most important thing.
After finishing the video and reading the plot, there’s nothing in that movie that sounds particularly anti-Trump. Just sounds like a boring adaptation that tried to be relevant to modern times to me. So even if I stand by my comment, it doesn’t really apply for this video
"So really this was about [current president of 2018]"
"It's not relevant to 2018"
Bradbury you are not, my friend.
Herman Cillo
There’s nothing anti-Semitic about acknowledging ing the crimes committed by a apartheid state like Israel so take your right wing rags and fuck off
I absolutely love the book but I had no idea this was a thing and judging by just the summary alone I'm glad I hadn't heard of it as it makes so many changes that make the story worse and its attempts to modernize are laughable at best
I mean...Bradbury is KINDA right. It did sort of happen, just...there's as many people thought policing as there are oversensitive soccer moms trying to keep their children pure without doing work themselves. Censorship of Mark Twain's works kinda gives that some credence.
Edit: As does Michael B Jordon's opinion based on not reading shit apparently.
Well, look on the bright side. If they hadn't censored Mark Twain we never would have gotten the brilliant, sci-fi update of ROBOT JIM!
In high school our teacher gave us a introduction to the time period Mark Twain's work was written and tbh I think they did a great job. We were told to look at the n word as something that was casual in the time period but that it had power and denoted certain things and does thst it still does today and ignoring that or removing that to protect white feelings doesn't solve the issues. I do wonder how this would go over in a classroom with black children however, sadly statistically speaking they would already be familiar with it. I wouldn't be apposed to censorship in that situation when someone has been harmed and doesn't want to be reminded of it and have to relive that indignity just to pass a class.
Uncritical consumption of anything is a under recongnized threat. And I think there is a need to bring a critical eye to old work but also to generally not censor it (the above example the exception along side other groups who would have to suffer like wise, there's something to be said how being forced to read something for class is different than wanting to look at something volutarily) it does feel like trying to erase it without addressing the issue.
A fine line that respects the suffering of both past and present can be reached.
I don't care how many years old this is I love that shirt so much.
Awww jeez... not Ray Bradbury too.
I mean it’s kinda hard to argue the censorship thing when I can go out and buy Mein Kampf in Barnes and Noble.
the other ghost girl Do those even exist anymore? Other than online?
Monroville yes. Usually they exist in mini/strip mall situations, but they’re sadly becoming more uncommon
Glad you're back! Just curious, when are you going to review the Carnivorous Carnival?
Thank you for your work, I loved the video as usual, (even if i don't really care for that film or the book) :) Have you considered doing an episode on Will Smith's I am Legend film? Honestly, it's a pretty bad adaptation, but the book is one of the best sci-fi stories out there I think, and it certainly deserves a lot more recognition that it has (or maybe compare Flowers for Algernon? That's a rather old one though).
The saddest thing about I Am Legend is that the original version was more faithful to the book. Studio interference resulted in the butchering of the message behind the story. Thankfully, the original version completed filming so the final scenes do exist but they're not in the theatrical release.
PLEASE do Perks of Being a Wallflower!
This video had an hour long advert... i watched it. for you the dom.
Mechanical hounds- the ONE THING that i look forward to in a movie adaptation Don't exist in this. WHY?? ALSO, MECHANICAL HOUNDS ACTUALLY EXIST IRL and police actually use them, I'm pretty sure they were in development around when this adaptation was made... just, WHY? I think theyre called "SPOT" or something
I just read the book so I'm glad I get to see this review of the movie before watching it
Wouldn’t Canada have all those books anyway?
And couldn’t Beatty have just pointed his flamethrower UP at the bird first?
I LOVE!!!! That little pokeball earing
You should do "Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children" lost in adaptation
I love your t-shirt.
Great video, as always, but that llama king thing at the end was hilarious! Makes me think of Film Cow's work and had me laughing.
Great review, and huge fan of the channel since I found your Dune videos. Heard about this movie Friday, glad I didn't waste my time.
The ending sounds like the Will Smith I Am Legend.
The4thSnake it kinda is
OMG, a Red Dwarf shirt!!! Great review, but mostly I'm so tickled Dom is a Red Dwarf fan too.
listening to this review in 2020 feels almost like a forshadowing of the current internet events.. 😳
"in a few months no one will remember it"
dude called it I forgot this movie happened lmao
I literally did not know this movie happened at all.
This adaptation of his work is exactly the kind of thing Bradbury was warning against.
TH-cam must have unsubbed me from you! I’m glad this vid showed up in the recommended. One of my fav channels :)
That shirt is such an obscure reference...
Regarding banning old books because their content is offensive, it doesn't seem that far off. I've seen posts, especially on Tumblr, demanding to ban old books because their content is offensive by today's standards: Agatha Christie's books are racist, antisemite and misogynist, Robinson Crusoe is racist, Dracula is racist and misogynist too, Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights are anti-feminist, everything Lovecraft wrote should be banned because he disliked immigrants, etc. As a bookworm myself, I gotta say it's a little scary.
Sofia Matos I am too about the censorship of books as well. Did you see that Laura Ingalls Wilder award was renamed because some believe that the characters' views on American Indian's was bigoted/ offensive? What they don't realize is that they look literary works through 21st century sensibilities which will never work out.
I've seen posts like that but I've seen equal amounts of people arguing that the priority isn't to let uncritically consumption of material to exist. Humans I think by design want to idolize their favorite writers and may forgive more than they should. May think too highly of writers
Take Lovecraft, huge racist, even for his time period, and tbh that kind of thing is going to be in his work. This opens up a discussion on how authors values play into work, death of the author ectra and so forth. Its there and we should talk about it while also peeing ourselves over the horrors written.
But I guess the point is especially on Tumblr where people pretend to be on a certain side and troll as over the top is that it's not a one sided duscussion and grain of salt is important.
It also helps to remember that most people (who aren't trolls) come from a place where they don't want to do harm. They want to protect people from being hurt and I can at least meet the middle ground in that.
To be fair, conservatives have been riding the ban hammer far longer than sjw's. Here I'll prove it to you. The phrase "think of the children" exist.
I have a question. Were the posts you're talking about actually calling for those books to be "banned"? i.e., institute consequences for reading them, make them inaccessible, etcetera? Or were they just criticizing contemporary works for the bigotries of their ages and authors? Be careful not to mistake criticism for censorship.
I think it's very important to confront these things in literary works. Harry Potter, for example, is a very fun book series that I enjoy a lot, but it also has some serious anti-semitism and a really bad, homophobic AIDS metaphor. I'm not calling for it to be "banned" or w/e.
I run in some really leftist circles and I've never heard of anyone seriously arguing for banning any piece of literary work. Ever.
@@yilvoxe4017 It's typical projection. From conversations I've had with conservatives on here, they wish that people with any ideology that wasn't theirs should be expunged. They can't comprehend that someone who opposes their views might think differently on the matter. Thus they equate criticism of their ideology with a desire to wipe it out.
I tapped out from the movie at the sexy harmonica scene. 😂
Watching this at 17.June 2020, with the uproar about "Gone with the wind" and Events like CHAZ happening in the world sets a completely new light to the matter.
My opinion. Equilibrium was a musical. The pills just stopped all singing and dancing. The only dance allowed is gun-kata.
Kind of seems like they wanted to make 1984 a lot more than they wanted to make Fahrenheit 451...
There are 1984 Movie. One is good in Black and White because it was before colored movies.
Cyril Cusack was the best thing in the older movie. I think he expressed Bradbury's view that the dumbing down was the people's own desire and they were afraid of ideas, preferring the pap on TV. Read his short stories "The Murderer" and "the Pedestrian" to see how the government is actually serving the people's desire for peace and order over intelligence.
"If I smash the keyboard I delete the facebook" - The Dom , 2018
I love your humor! I watch your vids every day.
I totally forgot this movie existed until 30 min ago when I found this review.
I love the Red Dwarf shirt! I didn't know you were a Ace fan, Dom :)
What a guy.
Also as a linguistics enthusiast this bothers me but you cant write with emoji! Not an attack emoji mind you, i quite enjoy them, but they are strictly ideographic, qnd people use them almost entirely as a way of conveying body language in casual text on the internet amd in texts- it is NOT a writing system amd wouldnt work as one
It thrills me to know there are libraries (and book shops?) That display Farenheit 451 beside their fire alarms.
okay but like... you literally cant maintain a modern society without writing lmao. its actually impossible.
Also, emoji dont work as writing at least not our current emoji and the way they function. They do ofc trend on having specific meanings, but these meanings all revolve around embodying body language in a digital format. It be like trying to speak without words, in essence.
Yaaaaay The Dom is back 😍❤️
Great work, of course. Still- will we find out about Terrance and the polyjuice thing and why he didn't want you to leave?
Hey, Dom! You got my t-shirt!