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This is why I have always loved X-men... it's not a simple good guy vs bad guy.... the characters are not that simple, and some situations are deep, and that fear and anger can fester and kill millions all because of one scared thought or grab and power. X-men as a kid taught me about this, which is necessary being raised where there is 0 diversity. That judging someone without knowing them is not only bad, but stupid. The reality that if everyone could just get along, everything would be great, but not everyone wants that... so until everyone wants it, you won't have peace. And that there will always be people on both sides of the agreement that will never have peace. Like, as long as there is an angry human that hates/fears mutants and a mutant that hates/fears a human, there will not peace until both are removed from the same space. And then space threats to make them realize that there are bigger and much worse threats and humans are still like 'nah, we still gonna hate on all mutants' 🙄🙄🙄🙄
I came here from Sir Ian McKellen who shared an article that embeded this clip. Here's what he said about it: "The late Stan Lee, who created the X-Men comics, would be pleased with this analysis, which relates his fantasy characters to the real world that inspired them. " So great job!
Something I hope that they do when Mutants are introduced to the MCU is bring up the point that all the heroes are dangerous not just Mutants. It never really made sense to me why characters like Senator Kelly and J.Jonah Jameson hate Mutants and Spider-Man when The Hulk can level an entire city.
J Jonah Jameson never hated mutants. In fact he was always the largest critic of any of the anti-mutant laws or actions. He doesn't trust spider man only for personal reasons.
The Hulk has seen his fair share of hate and persecution. I mean in the comics he is one of the original Avengers but even them turn their backs on him, and make Captain America a founding member even tho he wasn't... But i get to your point all heroes are dangerous, not just the mutants.
It's all fun and games on hating mutants and heroes but the fun ends when thanons arrives and wants to sodomize humanity , don't let me get started on Galactus.
X-Men '97 picking up right after X-Men TAS means Magneto is currently leading the X-Men in that series. If that ends up being MCU canon, that could be super interesting heading into Phase 5.
So many different universes especially with Venom and Eddie Brock on the run on a different Earth anything is possible. Let’s just give them time to show us.
problem is magneto is much more guilty, dude would actively try to start a war against humanity as an excuse. If he wasn't actively starting wars then Magneto would actually be right.
Years ago I said Magneto was right to my elder brother and my friends and all of them laughed at me at that moment but I kept on loving him and now I can die in peace. 🕊️
I completely agree. It's a sad reality that jealousy, hate, and fear will never allow mutants and humans co-exist. That does not in any way excuse Magneto's methods, but he is right.
Magneto wasn't right Cable was, he said back in the 90's that if Xavier and Magneto hadn't wasted their time fighting each other, but worked together instead they would have accomplished so much more, Hickman era of the X-men is a realization of Cables statement, but with Moria Mactaggart altered from her former human identity into a mutant and given the role of the catalyst.
problem is magneto is much more guilty, dude would actively try to start a war against humanity as an excuse. If he wasn't actively starting wars then Magneto would actually be right. @@The1stDukeDroklar
@@jmgonzales7701magneto can still be right while his reaction is wrong. He has a point, a fair and logical one. But Xavier’s dream is the only logical path forward. Cause any other alternative leads to genocide and centuries war.
@@thoarnejones6805 problem is xaviers way is impossible. The power disparity will just make everyone fear the other. While i do think magneto is too reactive and quick to resorting war as his final option. Just a few tweaks and he would be perfect.
In the comics Magento was actually brought to trial for his crimes and is essentially (it's very convoluted in comics lol) remanded into the custody of the X-Men, Professor X almost dies and Magneto takes over the school for awhile. Originally, Chris Claremont had intended for Xavier to perish and for Magneto to replace him indefinitely but editorial wouldn't have it. I loved Magneto back when he was headmaster and love when he's written in a similar capacity, an extremist who has softened his approach but hasn't lost his edge because the world is dangerous and there really are monsters out there ready to wipe whole groups of people out if they had the power to. He's absolutely awesome in the new X-Men run written by Johnathon Hickman and various others.
The Sokovia accords and the Mutant registration act are basically the same thing in different movie franchises. Used to identify and control the people who are different.
I always thought magneto was right, but I also thought he always made everything so much worse. He always proved why people should be afraid of mutants and made it easier for them to arm themselves against the mutants
Yes, and it's unfortunate that X-Men fans seldom consider that angle. How would any of us feel if a race of people with god-like powers were running around committing acts of terrorism and proclaiming themselves superior to humans? We'd be terrified, and rightly so.
@@RawPower867 Yes. In real life there would be kill on sight orders for a lot of mutants. In the movies the government put Magneto in a prison with guards with plastic bullets. I have a feeling in real life he'd have never made it to that jail cell. He's simply too dangerous to be left alive. Governments world-wide would be working together to figure out how to permanently take down any mutant who was a major level threat.
I always knew that Magneto was right, but Xavier says all the things that love wants to hear....peace, acceptance, tolerance, patience. I do like Xavier, always knowing that Magneto is right.
After seeing the Eternals, did anyone else get the weird feeling that the now petrified Celestial and the surrounding island might become the future site of Krakoa?
I see it more the future sight of and international Avengers considering that n the comics they have a bade called Avengers Mountain which is a dead celestial body in an massive iceberg. The movies sometimes reworked thing so could be a possibility but I see it fitting avengers more unless they tie in the X gene to the celestials and Tiamut’s emergence more directly than humans only being egg nourishment.
Also, speaking of the parallels between MLK and Malcolm. It is interesting that at the end of both of their lives, both MLK and Malcolm began to sound very similar. They both recognized the absurdity behind living separately physically but realized the necessity of a Dual Power structure for the African-American population. So, I guess in the end, they both arrived at the idea of Utopia. Too bad they didn't get a chance to build it.
Finally, some sense in the comments! Well, to be fair, I've only read a few comments so far, but I have already read some misunderstandings about MLK and Malcolm X amidst those few.
Yes! It's best just for people to be amongst their own with equal opportunities. If people want to mingle with others, then gladly take advantage of it. However, forcing people to be comfortable with people that do not make them comfortable is illogical. It's like forcing an abusive partner to stop abusing you. Just leave and be in a loving environment elsewhere.
@@11jcarter I think that's what is commonly misunderstood about them. Martin Luther King wasn't trying to force people to live together. Forced integration was only the framing in media and history, but that actually wasn't the goal. The goal was an end to the 90 year economic and political apartheid. It just so happens that the resources were in the white areas and the government made it clear they weren't going to invest in Black neighborhoods and institutions. So, allow Blacks to go to the White institutions (AKA where the resources are) so they can then build up their own institutions... but like most American potential progressions, this isn't what happened.
@@JPlaceCrooner I wasn’t referring to housing. I was referring to the integration of resources. I suggested the Marcus Garvey method of finding a place outside of America to move to to prevent anymore violence against African Americans. We needed professional and academic independence if anything.
@@JPlaceCrooner For instance, when it comes to navigating my career as a black man it’s extremely difficult to convince white people that I am intelligent and thats a huge issue. It took me forever to get a promotion because I had to learn what made white people uncomfortable and it’s simple; me being something that they would see on the news but different. I look like the black men that are portrayed as “criminals” on tv but I’m articulate. I can’t help it but it confuses them and makes them uncomfortable. In that case, I had to work for a black man that understands me instead of trying to be understood by my potential white coworkers. I hate it, but I understand it because people can’t hide what makes them uncomfortable.
Sir Ian Michellan was in a play set in a death camp. The entire play is him and another prisoner who are forced to carry heavy boulders back and forth. Literally the entire 2 hour play is two men carrying rocks and it is incredible. It's called Bent and it is so heart wrenching
This are stuff that as a kid you will never understand and you only see ”the bad guy" and the good guy. After you understand you always end up sympathetising with "the villain". This made me think that if I was a mutant, I would side with magneto. Great video man!
Gotta disagree. I haven't read the comics in a long time but I remember even as a kid I thought Magneto had a point and I remember getting real angry when they turned him and his followers into generic baddies at one point where he was just out to do evil shit which is where I stopped reading. I know they've returned to the old format but I just don't have the time anymore.
“Mutants are not sick humans. They are their own race. Curing them is essentially the same as killing their individuality as a people.” This is how i feel about a cure for autism. I relate to x-men so much because it’s essentially the same idea as what my people face. That’s why I hope more understand neurodiversity as time goes on and realizes we’re people, not a disease
@@MaxPain-o1y I wouldn’t say that. That puts us on a pedestal where we’re expected to perform. Also, there is no “high-functioning”. There are some who can mask their traits and others who can’t. Low-support needs is a better term for it, and is something that can fluctuate throughout our lifespans
Even recent comics shows that Charles understand being pacifist isn’t enough to change things around, his speech in the end of house of x/power of x gives me chills, it’s basically the mutants saying enough of this bullshit
In its conception, Prof. X was modeled after the ideology of MLK, while Magneto was modeled after the ideology of Malcolm X. However, that has recently changed because modern comics have been heavily influenced by modern-day activists, many of which now embrace the teachings of Malcolm X over those of MLK. Their hypocrisy gets even worse when you take into consideration that most openly condemn fascism while embracing Marxist concepts & principles hidden under a veil of " race", an ideology which has killed more people that Hitler and his Nazis could ever dream of, 100 million people in roughly 150 years.
@@JammerJay There's nothing hypocritical about mutants saying enough is enough and forming their own homeland. Also, genius, the Nazis were the government of one country and Marxism is an ideology. So maybe you should be comparing how many lives were lost between Marxism and reactionary rightwing movements like Nazism.
The problem is that we know better. I mean ... we don't because no one pays attention to history, but we SHOULD know better. Violence doesn't work. I'm not taking away from how great a man he was or how powerful and important his message was, but Malcom X achieved basically nothing beyond awareness and unification (which are important!). In fact him and the Black Panthers caused a resurgence of Jim Crow laws by justifying the belief that Blacks were savages coming to kill your white family. In contrast, the voting rights bill was passed because a bunch of people in Selma did nothing while state troopers beat the crap out of (and killed a few) of them for hours. It's the sad truth that if you want to really change something, step one is to get beaten, tossed in jail, and possibility murdered. You need to make your enemy the monster.
@@joelhenry5489 I mean I'm a Marxist and while, yes, this guy has no idea what Marxism is and yes you are right that you can have Marxist pacifists and Marxist authoritarians, the ideology deals almost exclusively with the economic axis ... I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that Marx was pretty sure that for it to work you had to kill almost every land and business owner! He did frame it like "this is a bad thing ... hopefully someone else will figure out how to not have to do that", but if he had gotten support in his time that would NOT have been a bloodless upraising.
@@stefansamoyloff3866 Marx had no intention of leading any kind of revolution. He was a theorist who believed workers would rise naturally when the proper conditions were met. His ideas were used by revolutionaries but he himself was not one. But my point was that comparing Marxists to the Nazis is too narrow. The Nazis weren't the only fascist regime. What about Italy, Japan, Austria, Croatia, Hungary, etc. Fascism, like Marxism, was implemented in several countries. Tally up the bodies that way.
Xavier isnt blind to humanity's propensity for violence against things they do not understand. He just realizes peace can never be obtained if both sides don't fully agree with it.
One of the big reasons that would made me want to believe in Magneto's ideology is that unlike Xavier, Magneto never lets his humanity get in the way of his goals. He knows the risk of what he is doing, and the lengths he is prepared to go to achieve his goals. Hell I think Xaiver and the X-Men failed because they let their human side get in the way. In a way quoting Green Goblin, they struggled every day to have everything they want while the world tries to make them choose. They were strong enough to have it all, yet ultimately too weak to take the opportunity. Like Xaiver could have used his powers to influence the politicians but he didn't.
Xavier doing that would be a slippery slope when using such power in such a way. I mean taking political sides would be a bad thing, how would you feel if your president became forced to do something against his will to rig the game for a foreign power? There’s no easy silver bullet when you have such great power.
Magneto was never right, and will never be right. It is the core point of the X-Men, no matter how tragic your life experience and of those around you is, you don't turn evil. The way of the X-Men is the righteous one. Magneto is a segregationist, Xavier teaches his students that mutants are human. Xavier's dream is worth the fight more than Magneto's self serving pragmatism. That's not to say Magneto isnt a great character, he is, absolutely, but a nuanced villain, still a villain. It's just good that we can at least understand where he's coming from and feel simpathy for the, of course.
did u watch logan? because of charles javier not wanting to fight humans, look what happen almost all mutants are dead, tortured butchered experimented on, that wouldnt happen if they only listen to magneto u fool
@@archelharvey5229 See, that's so shortsighted, which is neglecting that there are mutants as intelligent as Tony Stark, one would figure other ways... Cause that's the point. Besides of, Magneto being right doesnt mean they have to adopt his ways, cause they could SO easily rule over humans... For what, to be the bad guys? Worse things than what happened in Logan happens in reality on a daily basis, from people doing it to other people. Evil is strong, and they have to fight it, not join it XD. At the end of Logan (which i only care about the comics, and hardly nowadays, but Logan was a good sendoff for the great work Jackman has done, but i digress) follow the movies, so i dont know what convenient black magic writers pull to push villains as heroes, or anti heroes, which Magneto has been from time to time aswell. "Doing the hard thing, or the ugly thing"... But that's the thing, it's not hard, mutants wouldnt have a problem taking over humanity. It's the same as, for religious people they get asked "why doesnt go prevent suffering in the world", and kinda the point is, we all have agency... The X-Men failed at figuring a way on how to prevent it, cause Magneto's way is simply unacceptable. He isnt wrong, but his concern is just a smoke screen to takeover... That is what he truly always wanted, his daughter Wanda in house of M pretty much made him the ruler of an "utopian society" (that, he's been many times), even tho everything is an ilusion, because Magneto wants power... He would just be replacing one evil, by a different type of evil. Killed his own son out of pride in the comics. Magneto isnt pure evil, but he is egotistical and powerhungry... And that's very much the core of hs arcs, him realizing he took things too far, or being butthurt that the X-Men won't join him in the carnage... And it's not like the X-Men themselves don't cause colossal fuckups without the help of Magneto. But i respect your opinion, in the sense that... like civil war, it's open for debate which side is right, sometimes you lean towards cap, then you hear good arguments from the other side, and viceversa... the difference is... Cap and Ironman are both clear cut heroes, unlike Magneto. He will not hesitate to betray everyone's trust, he does it with his kids all the time, imagine those who are his enemies or he doesnt care about... Huge despot. Still a great tragic fallen type of character. So taking care of things Magneto's way might have prevented one thing... Just one... And the X-Men cannot do things his way. To quickly adress your points... They've experimented with mutants before Magneto was a toddler, Nathaniel Essex, his buddy buddy Mr Sinister, Weapon X... Come one... As for Mutant extinction, mutants themselves are the best at that, Wanda pretty much deleted them. The the Inhuman's terrigen mist is lethal poison to them... Mutants have faced great extinction events, and not always at the hands of hateful humans, but actual mutants. To, close it off, you've probably read it, but if you haven't, there's a great X-Men arc, that you can find pretty much anywhere online, or any retail store that has comics, it's called "God Loves, Man Kills", not being condescending you've probably read it... but if you haven't, give it a read, might help comprehend why even tho Magneto is oftenly right, the X-Men simply cannot do things his way. Very good classic read. I hope you enjoy it if you havent read it.
I love these kind of debates. It’s really a testament to how great Magneto is that we still keep debating if he’s good or evil. Personally I can’t agree with his actions, he’s got a good motivation but he’s goes way too far and genocide is wrong, full stop. But I can’t bring myself to call him evil.
Magneto was right in both timelines. In the first timeline, sentinels wiped out mutants and in the second timeline, Alkali-Transigen's gene therapy wiped out mutants.
From the international War Crimes, including genocide, to the House of M, the comics have time & time again proven that Magneto wasn't right. This is why Communism gets so villainized despite just being a social theory. It's because those who tried to implement it wanted quick results, instead of the time real change takes, and so they turned to totalitarianism & fascism. Communism on its own is harmless. Communism plus those who "choose violence" almost always equals crimes against humanity. Magneto didn't want to do the real work, he just wanted results. Charles knew that it was an uphill battle, but it was one that needed to be fought. Nothing good is built overnight; not Rome & definitely not a better world. This is something people in our own real world forget about all the time, and will continue to forget about until we learn our lesson.
While this is not Marvel but DC Comics, Superman for a long time and likely still true had a politically neutral stance, sure he would still fight the villains, but he wouldn’t side with specific people political parties or nations to try and avoid escalating situations or corrupting himself.
Magneto was always half right, while Xavier was always half right. Humans ALWAYS come after mutants no matter what and cause so many atrocities and genocides. But even if Humans did stop hating or fearing mutants. Magneto STILL wants to eradicate all humans or turn them into slaves. Luckily, they Xavier and Magneto have come to the middle on Krakoa. Magneto even admitted during the Knull invasion that he was wrong when he was creating a safe haven for some humans.
If this 2as real humans would want to kill mutants. Especially if theg could not control them. Its fear. People fear what they don't understand. Imagine having beings around mu h stronger than you and that can kill you at a moment glance if they should choose too. It would make you very uncomfortable. You will perceive them as a threat.
I was crushed when Ralph/quicksilver was just a D joke. Evan peters played my second favorite X-Men, next to wolverine, I would’ve really enjoyed to see Ralph/quicksilver remember the professor or the mansion after he got the necklace ripped off or whatever in the last episode
@@GrenimanX3 yeah I’ve seen the video, there are reasonable points he pulls up, but to me it just does not work. If the MCUs next big thing is “multiverse” then they seriously dropped the ball with the Ralph reveal. Like seriously, why couldn’t marvel at least left the door slightly open? I just think it’s a big missed opportunity to tease the multiverse in a bigger way that would have soooo many people talking about. I mean shiii i at least wanted to see a slow motion scene with Evan Peters at least once in the MCU
@@clemensprod.5756 Well, for me the use of the actor at the beggining was really good for me; being used as a character that would create confusion and intrigue to wanda and us (the viewers), we had instantly recognise him as Pietro but from the Xmen movies. But then, the problem for me was the fking joke of B-O-H-N-E-R.
A lot of people were annoyed by that Bohner joke as they were annoyed with The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. They've changed that so they can change this! It's lazy writing as Deadpool would say, and he's from Fox and is now in the MCU then so are the X-Men and I think some of the great actors that were in X-Men like McAvoy and Fassbender should be brought over to the MCU, especially in the age of the Multiverse.
No ones a bigger Magneto fan than me but he didn’t create utopia. Having said that. I love this video. All great points. I wonder who will play Magneto next.
He actually co-created the mutant only nation of Krakoa (Hickman!) which is the mutant dream realized. But, all beautiful things (Utopia) tend to fall apart.
Yes and no. Violence is inevitable only because it’s a super hero movie franchise, so because it’s fictional Magneto is “more” right. If it were real life, I think Xavier would be seen as more correct.
I always wanted a storyline where they would allow young human students into the Xavier institute where they can grow up together and it takes a couple of generations to finally reach peace
Violence is part of politics. It always has been. Either to oppress or to defend. What liberalism (in a political theory way of understanding the term) has done is think you can always out reason, out talk, and out morality (?) others using violence by using words. Reality is sometimes violent, whether we like it or not. Magneto has always been a rational political actor who understands people don't always want to talk and reason (Prof. X) when their very existence is in peril. Magneto's viewpoint was always right even if his specific methods weren't.
The problem is most violence stems from a fear or imbalance real or perceived. Neither Xavier or Magneto understood they have the resources to eliminate those stressors. Mutants literally break thermodynamic laws. They have a skill that can literally solve all the worlds problems, but neither leader can see beyond capitulation or domination. Nobody dealing with the plain human/mutant human divide sees that. All the Mutants have to do is BUY cooperation. Not sell it.
@mzaite they tried it in the krakoa era turns out humans would rather die horribly than just accept mutants have a right to live. Hell, the whole Judgment Day event had a literal god who helped form humanity call out their bullshit including mutant racism with the threat of extinction hanging in the balance and after it was all said and done people still hate mutants at that point the avengers should have just stepped in and said you fuck with mutants you fuck with us.
Love your work but not this theory. Violence begets violence, and Magneto was just a racist and cruel from the side of the victims. Methods not justified, which your disclaimer at the end doesn't course correct.
Seeing as this started as an allegory for racial tensions during the civil rights movement with Xavier being MLK and Magneto being being Malcolm X, I wonder how this might reflect on the real world. Are we truly doomed to not be able to coexist with one another? I for one want the core dream of Xavier to be true.
The thing that made LOGAN the greatest tragedy in comic book movies, is that everything ended not with a bang. No deities, no giant robots or lizard women, or world ending events. And the down fall of Charles Xavier and his x men was caused not by aliens or cosmic beings, but the one thing none of us can escape; time.
The thing is, everything Mangeto says about humans can be flipped on mutants. Yes it only takes one bad man to wipe out all mutants like Stryker, but it also takes only one bad or brainwashed powerful mutant to exterminate all humans. The humans fear of one dangerous mutant won't differentiate and will extend to all, yet Mangetos fear of one dangerous human also to him justifies measures that extend to all
Nah, dude, this ain't it. Erik's beliefs and principles are right, absolutely, but his methods are monstrous. In the very first film, he was told that his machine didn't create stable mutants out of normal humans, but corrupted their DNA and made them slowly die, but he said "fuck it" and tried to use it anyway. In X2 he went one step further and tried to exterminate the entire human race, leaving only mutants alive. Regardless of how good his motives might be, genocide is evil and wrong and never justifiable. Like you said, Stryker is just one man; is it fair or just to kill 8 billion humans because of the crimes of a single man? That just sounds like a weak justification for bigotry and extermination to me. Perhaps you can argue that Xavier is too passive and trusting, sure, but that doesn't make Erik right by default. As in pretty much everything in life, a balanced middle path is usually the right approach. Turning to extremism because your enemies turned to extremism first is how you get Armenia and Turkey, Israel and Palestine, the Irish Troubles, Kashmir, Sri Lanka, and most of the worst things that humans have ever done. Creating more corpses never solves anything.
I always hoped for peace, but so many humans prove Magneto right. Especially those in power. I would support the registration if mutants were not blatantly oppressed and brutalized. Everyone is not Sabretooth, if they had some nuance there could be peace.
Magneto wasn't right. His actions ensured that his prophecy came about. It's like someone saying "I'm going to die from lung cancer" and then proceeding to spend 20 years smoking cigarettes. He always escalated, and his escalations tended to the "kill 1000+ humans" level.
He's flawed, as is anyone who experienced the horrors which he has. The difference is that he has the power to fight back. It would be inconceivable to him to allow history to repeat itself. Still, as my grandmother used to say, " an eye for an eye leaves both sides blind". Is he right? Yes. Is he justified? History is on his side. Is he making things worse? Also yes. Tough call.
@@carloscrecelius9597 History is definitely _not_ on his side. The only thing Magneto does is escalate. He doesn't desire peace, and never works towards it. In the first movie, his response to proposed legislation is the murder of all the world's leaders. In the second movie, the big-bad goes off the deep end and tries to kill all mutants. His response? Kill all the non-mutants. In the third movie, he loses a fight and his response? Destroy the planet. He even regrets it with a "what have I done". At no point does he seek peaceful coexistence. He doesn't even seek it with others of his "group". He's the guy who when skipped for promotion blows up the building under the belief that if everyone else is dead they'll just _have_ to give him the promotion. I would argue that if Magneto didn't exist, the dark future in Days of Future Past would never have happened.
@@jasonpollock1054 he didn't try to murder the world's leaders, his plan was to turn them into mutants, to force them to see things from his perspective. Everything else he did was in response to perceived threats to his people. Having seen how humanity reacts to those they see as different, he's unwilling to trust them. He's determined to never be a victim again, and tends to react violently to any threat. And when Stryker , Trask and the government prove him right, he's willing to go to any lengths to defend his people. From his perspective, he is justified, and considering that they wanted to eliminate not just him but all mutants, I can't definitively say he's wrong. His origins make him a flawed and twisted human being, but like all of us, he sees himself as the hero, fighting against injustice to save his fellow mutants. If he'd been successful, history would call him a hero, because history is written by the victors.
@@carloscrecelius9597 except it became murder when the X-Men informed him of the senator's death. Before that it still would have been murder because of the murders on the way in. There is no way to frame his actions as justified.
Both are important, people like Xavier make humanity better. Push everyone to be better. To be good. Magneto sees the world as it is. And protects his kind from it the best he can. Both are important. One for survival, the other for hope.
Imagine if the mutants are introduced to the MCU as characters that have already been alive for a long time and had their experiences and battles that we know of, but have been living in hiding on Krakoa and have used Xavier's power or a similar one by someone else to erase humanity's memories of mutantkind. Then maybe they start having some inner disputes for power which causes them to be noticed by the outside world. Or some spike of energy caused by some mutant's power. SHIELD, or SWORD, I guess, goes to investigate, some mutants want to go the diplomatic way, others want to just use their combined powers to redirect SWORD's attention elsewhere somehow and keep Krakoa hidden, but some saboteur/traitor decides to attack preemptively or there's a misfire, SWORD gets hit and decides to retaliate, maybe even requesting the aid of their own superpowered heroes. And of course, all the while, there have been some mutants living outside of Krakoa who could keep their powers a secret, but with so many superpowered beings coming to the spotlight and being generally accepted, some start thinking maybe its time for mutants to return to their original homes, because they should at least have the freedom to choose that for themselves.
I actually LIKE a more ruthless Magneto! But I never understood him in the second X-Men movie . Why didn’t he just rescue Charles when he had the chance? He just what, left him trapped in Cerebro? Him attempting to kill everyone seemed a bit out of nowhere and just, what the?
Magneto's rationale is inherently flawed. The nazis viewed the Jews as inferior and wished to commit genocide. Although Magneto did have valid reasons, he also believed humans as inferior and wished to commit genocide against them as well. If Magneto were to accomplish his objective it would hurt mutants in the end. Mutants are already far more evolved than humans and very powerful mutants like jean grey, professor x, etc adding to the gene pool would only make more and more powerful mutants overtime. The mutants would be then norm and then they would mutate further into more powerful beings and the whole genocide argument would come up again. Although Professor X is extremely ineffective, it makes more sense in the long term. Overtime the mutant population would overtake the human population naturally anyways and with cohesion the world could ethically benefit off of mutants enhanced abilities. When the time came that the mutants were to be replaced by another more evolved being it would strengthen the argument of just increasing cohesion until mutated assimilation as they had done before rather than genocide. TLDR Magneto's plan only makes sense until mutants evolve again and try to kill them too.
Charles and Magneto were both wrong. Magneto's past was beneficial but also what clouded his judgement a lot of times. Xavier on the other hand as you've mentioned was attempting to juggle the line of keeping with against some people who don't want peace.
@@geardestroy mygod bro were talking about xmen, its either all mutants die or all humans die, charles havier was a fool for his hope, look what his hope bring to them, it kills almost all of the mutants if only he listen to magneto
Interesting perspective, I read somewhere Stan the G.O.A.T modeled Magneto after Malcolm X and Xavier after Martin Luther King Jr. He took their ideals, the war against races and created the Xmen comics. Perhaps Magneto was indeed right in the end, many people however believe that in the only thing they were right about is that mutants will always be hunted......
It will be interesting to see how Disney/Marvel handle Magneto’s back story now. WW2 Holocaust is pretty old now.. but is such a integral part to Magneto.
Well said! Every box that needed to be checked you checked it and with efficiency and insight. I grew up reading comic books I love them till this day because of the great storytelling. Yes I agree magneto was right. There's no such thing as utopia everyone's tried to create it and it's never worked.
If Infinity War and Endgame had us arguing for years if Thanos was right about overpopulation, proving Magneto is right about a single activist cause that literally means "I want to protect my people." will be the easiest thing Marvel has ever done. I can't wait for the MCU's take on the X-Men.
I always thought the xmen would work better as a tv series than movies just because its a cast esemble & it would take time to introduce & show the connections between the cast mates.
I like how the video is "Magneto was right" but then walks that back around all the things he did while being "right". Seems a little disingenuous as an argument, and a little bit more concerned with having a clickbait title.
While we all have to respect anybody, who stands for rights of oppressed minorities (like mutants) and protects them, even using violence against predators (basically it's self-defense), the sole idea of humanity that is enable to accept otherness to such an extent is BS. If we were to believe that mutants won't be accepted at any point of time, then Magneto is right. But history of humanity has definitely shown that we embrace diversity (not always immediately) and thus Magneto is basically the same as Nazi's who killed his mother, because he thinks that every non-mutant is the same (like Nazis) - it's essentially exact logic that leads to hatred against mutants. And while original X-men had drawn clear line between good and bad, where Xavier is good because he assess everybody by their individuality (which means that mutants can be bad, and non-mutants can be good) and Magneto is bad because he assess everybody by their heritage (which means all mutants are good and all non-mu), the latest installment of X-men goes along with left-wing propaganda that there are only "oppressors" and "oppressed" and both of them defined by immutable characteristics (like X-gen, race, gender, etc.)
But we don't embrace diversity, it has to be forced onto us. Think of black history in America. It shows for a good amount of time, people refused violently to embrace diversity. Humans are not open to the idea because we are all so stubborn and tribalistic. And for the most part, there are oppressors and oppressed. Not everyone oppresses even if they can and not all of the oppressed are innocent, but that doesn't mean that oppressors and oppressed people don't exist.
If Magneto had not been to prejudice about humans he would also helped the humans whom accepted their mutant relatives/friends/lovers as well as making Genosha a secret country for them to live on.
The only problem with this line of thinking is that is states segregation is better than integration. And that would apply to all cultures, subcultures, and countercultures. Unfortunately, after segregation, there is a desire for dominance. Taking good land from others. This is the violent history of humanity.
As a Jew, I love Magneto's character because I certainly relate. We had a real life comparable enmity between two modern Jewish leaders in Israel, one was Prime Minister David Ben Gurion, who led the Hagganah and preferred a peaceful diplomatic approach with the British and Arab people. Then we had Menachem Begin , a Holocaust Survivor and leader of the Irgun, who was certainly more aggressive and attacked civilian targets. One wanted Jewish independence by diplomacy and coexistence, the other wanted Jewish independence by any means necessary, both wanted the same dream, but disagreed on how to achieve it. As much as I admire and wish Professor X's approach would work, my experience as a Jew tells me the rest of humanity will never truly accept us, always a catch, always a price, we can never just live peacefully in our own homeland. So we're forced to fight and survive, by any means necessary. So yes, I believe Magneto was right, because I believe Begin was right. Just a real life perspective from a Marvel fan.
Speaking of x men....I have question about wolverine: why on earth he is using only his claws to fight? Like his main weaknesses compared to other mutants is that he has no ranged powers,abilities to fly or crazy mobility... He could literally fix all those flaws with military grade weapons, hand grenades and bombs... since he is literally a war veteran he already got the training and experience for it to... He pretty much could win any close range fight easily by dropping a couple of hand grenades under his feet and abusing his healing factor . Use ar 15 to snipe magneto and that would work cuzz his powers does not include long range detection and bullets trawels faster then sound so no way magneto would be able to stop bullet at random time of his day when he is not expecting or seeing a threat going to his vitals...or just using explosives at the place magneto is going 2 go... Pretty much only flash or professor x he could not take down ,but after getting magneto helmet it would be reduced just to flash... also no one stops him to get those bullets or bombs that removes superpowers from mutants...
Its a dumb idea to say Magneto should "Lead the X-Men" when the X-Men only exist to follow XAVIER'S ideals. Magneto already has his own X-me, They are called the Brotherhood of Mutants, Originally the Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants.
One issue I have is that Magneto is a hypocrite at least in X3. He sends lowly mutants first when they attack Alcatraz, and it makes him come off as someone who wants to rule his people rather than one who wants to protect them.
What other villains were right?
@ScreenCrush
John Walker from F&TWS
Heath Ledger’s Joker from TDK
Ras Al Ghul from Batman Begins
Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin from Spider-Man
Dock Ock from Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man PS4
Hive from Agents of Shield
Killmonger from Black Panther
He who Remains from LOKI
Hydra
Thanos
Killimonger
@@RR-gr1ni thoughts on my list?
When I was a kid, I rooted for Xavier. But as an adult, I am definitely leaning more towards Magneto's ideology.
True , life requires some things
Xavier's are the villians and they are the worst!!
True , life requires some things
Xavier's are the villians I real life and they are the worst!!
@@cedriceric9730 xavier is definitely not the villain here....
Facts
Red pilled.
This is why I have always loved X-men... it's not a simple good guy vs bad guy.... the characters are not that simple, and some situations are deep, and that fear and anger can fester and kill millions all because of one scared thought or grab and power.
X-men as a kid taught me about this, which is necessary being raised where there is 0 diversity. That judging someone without knowing them is not only bad, but stupid. The reality that if everyone could just get along, everything would be great, but not everyone wants that... so until everyone wants it, you won't have peace. And that there will always be people on both sides of the agreement that will never have peace. Like, as long as there is an angry human that hates/fears mutants and a mutant that hates/fears a human, there will not peace until both are removed from the same space.
And then space threats to make them realize that there are bigger and much worse threats and humans are still like 'nah, we still gonna hate on all mutants' 🙄🙄🙄🙄
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I came here from Sir Ian McKellen who shared an article that embeded this clip. Here's what he said about it:
"The late Stan Lee, who created the X-Men comics, would be pleased with this analysis, which relates his fantasy characters to the real world that inspired them. "
So great job!
Where did yo find Ian McKellen share this? I want to see that post.
@@rasul01 it was on his facebook page 8 moths ago
The best "villains" are those you can make the argument they were right. Even if their methods are flawed.
Something I hope that they do when Mutants are introduced to the MCU is bring up the point that all the heroes are dangerous not just Mutants. It never really made sense to me why characters like Senator Kelly and J.Jonah Jameson hate Mutants and Spider-Man when The Hulk can level an entire city.
There were hate by some people however they weren't born that way.
Its an allegory for racism...
J Jonah Jameson never hated mutants. In fact he was always the largest critic of any of the anti-mutant laws or actions. He doesn't trust spider man only for personal reasons.
The Hulk has seen his fair share of hate and persecution. I mean in the comics he is one of the original Avengers but even them turn their backs on him, and make Captain America a founding member even tho he wasn't... But i get to your point all heroes are dangerous, not just the mutants.
It's all fun and games on hating mutants and heroes but the fun ends when thanons arrives and wants to sodomize humanity , don't let me get started on Galactus.
X-Men '97 picking up right after X-Men TAS means Magneto is currently leading the X-Men in that series. If that ends up being MCU canon, that could be super interesting heading into Phase 5.
If thats the case Magneto should be pushing to his 90s to teh 100s years old
Y’all kill me with these fantasies
Ok… but where/how have mutants been hiding from the wider MCU since 92-97 while also battling sentinels, Apocalypse etc?
They are never going to make X-men 97 MCU cannon, nor should they.
So many different universes especially with Venom and Eddie Brock on the run on a different Earth anything is possible. Let’s just give them time to show us.
Magneto was 100% right. He didn't always act rightly, but he was right in his understanding of the threat and need for militant resistance.
I've always thought Magneto was right, even when I was a kid watching X-Men: The Animated Series so many years ago.
problem is magneto is much more guilty, dude would actively try to start a war against humanity as an excuse. If he wasn't actively starting wars then Magneto would actually be right.
@jmgonzales7701 do believe xavier was a fool for believe that humans And Mutants Can live together in Harmony
Years ago I said Magneto was right to my elder brother and my friends and all of them laughed at me at that moment but I kept on loving him and now I can die in peace. 🕊️
I completely agree. It's a sad reality that jealousy, hate, and fear will never allow mutants and humans co-exist. That does not in any way excuse Magneto's methods, but he is right.
His methods are quite civil compared to what an evil xman could do
He always waits for the other side to initiate the hostilities then he reacts
Right idea; poor execution. That's how I've always seen Magneto, as well.
I understand fearing a guy that can redirect missiles with his thoughts.
"We are the future not them Charles, they don't longer matter" he was so right and I love him for that he empowers me so much.
magneto was 100% right and I would have done the exact same thing, except I may not have been as compassionate as Magneto.
Magneto wasn't right Cable was, he said back in the 90's that if Xavier and Magneto hadn't wasted their time fighting each other, but worked together instead they would have accomplished so much more, Hickman era of the X-men is a realization of Cables statement, but with Moria Mactaggart altered from her former human identity into a mutant and given the role of the catalyst.
Xavier should have worked WITH Magneto. Xavier was actually the villain through his weakness and willingness to betray his own kind.
problem is magneto is much more guilty, dude would actively try to start a war against humanity as an excuse. If he wasn't actively starting wars then Magneto would actually be right. @@The1stDukeDroklar
@@jmgonzales7701magneto can still be right while his reaction is wrong. He has a point, a fair and logical one. But Xavier’s dream is the only logical path forward. Cause any other alternative leads to genocide and centuries war.
@@thoarnejones6805 problem is xaviers way is impossible. The power disparity will just make everyone fear the other. While i do think magneto is too reactive and quick to resorting war as his final option. Just a few tweaks and he would be perfect.
The parallels between MLK/Xavier and Malcolm X/Magneto are great. Magento even says "by any means necessary", which was a popular Malcolm X quote.
Thanks! I was going to type this
Magento, the arch nemesis of Fucsia man
He's probably stating it bc there are so many that believe the two aren't based on them for some reason even though Stan "the Man" Lee said it.
It’s not by coincidence
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In the comics Magento was actually brought to trial for his crimes and is essentially (it's very convoluted in comics lol) remanded into the custody of the X-Men, Professor X almost dies and Magneto takes over the school for awhile. Originally, Chris Claremont had intended for Xavier to perish and for Magneto to replace him indefinitely but editorial wouldn't have it. I loved Magneto back when he was headmaster and love when he's written in a similar capacity, an extremist who has softened his approach but hasn't lost his edge because the world is dangerous and there really are monsters out there ready to wipe whole groups of people out if they had the power to.
He's absolutely awesome in the new X-Men run written by Johnathon Hickman and various others.
I wish Claremont would've had that.
Ever since I was a kid I always said that if I was a mutant in that world I'd be on Magneto's side. I always fully agreed with everything he stood for
That true
SO supremacy, genocide, and a ruling class. Very red flag behavior.
The Sokovia accords and the Mutant registration act are basically the same thing in different movie franchises. Used to identify and control the people who are different.
I always thought magneto was right, but I also thought he always made everything so much worse. He always proved why people should be afraid of mutants and made it easier for them to arm themselves against the mutants
Yes, and it's unfortunate that X-Men fans seldom consider that angle. How would any of us feel if a race of people with god-like powers were running around committing acts of terrorism and proclaiming themselves superior to humans? We'd be terrified, and rightly so.
@@RawPower867 Yes. In real life there would be kill on sight orders for a lot of mutants. In the movies the government put Magneto in a prison with guards with plastic bullets. I have a feeling in real life he'd have never made it to that jail cell. He's simply too dangerous to be left alive. Governments world-wide would be working together to figure out how to permanently take down any mutant who was a major level threat.
Funny how you ignore the whole video, Magneto didn't start the war, he's just not willing to lose it.
@@zombieshoot4318 they dont kill him because then the Gov would essentially create a matyr
Magneto should have advocated for separation of Mutants and Humans not war
I always knew that Magneto was right, but Xavier says all the things that love wants to hear....peace, acceptance, tolerance, patience. I do like Xavier, always knowing that Magneto is right.
After seeing the Eternals, did anyone else get the weird feeling that the now petrified Celestial and the surrounding island might become the future site of Krakoa?
I see it more the future sight of and international Avengers considering that n the comics they have a bade called Avengers Mountain which is a dead celestial body in an massive iceberg. The movies sometimes reworked thing so could be a possibility but I see it fitting avengers more unless they tie in the X gene to the celestials and Tiamut’s emergence more directly than humans only being egg nourishment.
One of the things I like about Magneto. He hates X's ideology but respects him for sticking to what he believes in.
Also, speaking of the parallels between MLK and Malcolm. It is interesting that at the end of both of their lives, both MLK and Malcolm began to sound very similar. They both recognized the absurdity behind living separately physically but realized the necessity of a Dual Power structure for the African-American population. So, I guess in the end, they both arrived at the idea of Utopia. Too bad they didn't get a chance to build it.
Finally, some sense in the comments! Well, to be fair, I've only read a few comments so far, but I have already read some misunderstandings about MLK and Malcolm X amidst those few.
Yes! It's best just for people to be amongst their own with equal opportunities. If people want to mingle with others, then gladly take advantage of it. However, forcing people to be comfortable with people that do not make them comfortable is illogical. It's like forcing an abusive partner to stop abusing you. Just leave and be in a loving environment elsewhere.
@@11jcarter I think that's what is commonly misunderstood about them. Martin Luther King wasn't trying to force people to live together. Forced integration was only the framing in media and history, but that actually wasn't the goal. The goal was an end to the 90 year economic and political apartheid. It just so happens that the resources were in the white areas and the government made it clear they weren't going to invest in Black neighborhoods and institutions. So, allow Blacks to go to the White institutions (AKA where the resources are) so they can then build up their own institutions... but like most American potential progressions, this isn't what happened.
@@JPlaceCrooner I wasn’t referring to housing. I was referring to the integration of resources. I suggested the Marcus Garvey method of finding a place outside of America to move to to prevent anymore violence against African Americans. We needed professional and academic independence if anything.
@@JPlaceCrooner For instance, when it comes to navigating my career as a black man it’s extremely difficult to convince white people that I am intelligent and thats a huge issue. It took me forever to get a promotion because I had to learn what made white people uncomfortable and it’s simple; me being something that they would see on the news but different. I look like the black men that are portrayed as “criminals” on tv but I’m articulate. I can’t help it but it confuses them and makes them uncomfortable. In that case, I had to work for a black man that understands me instead of trying to be understood by my potential white coworkers. I hate it, but I understand it because people can’t hide what makes them uncomfortable.
In the amazing Hickman X-men run, most of the mutants, including Xavier have come around quite a bit to Magneto's perspective.
Sir Ian Michellan was in a play set in a death camp. The entire play is him and another prisoner who are forced to carry heavy boulders back and forth. Literally the entire 2 hour play is two men carrying rocks and it is incredible. It's called Bent and it is so heart wrenching
This are stuff that as a kid you will never understand and you only see ”the bad guy" and the good guy. After you understand you always end up sympathetising with "the villain". This made me think that if I was a mutant, I would side with magneto. Great video man!
same bro
Gotta disagree. I haven't read the comics in a long time but I remember even as a kid I thought Magneto had a point and I remember getting real angry when they turned him and his followers into generic baddies at one point where he was just out to do evil shit which is where I stopped reading. I know they've returned to the old format but I just don't have the time anymore.
The punisher does it the right way. Magneto was gonna genocide millions of people.
i only watched recently, and i was team magneto from the get go
Of course. I was team Magneto after reading Age of Apocalypse.
Just like Mutants can be justify his survival by any means, so do humans, Magneto justifies Stryker and Stryker justifies Magneto
This aged well 😊
“Mutants are not sick humans. They are their own race. Curing them is essentially the same as killing their individuality as a people.” This is how i feel about a cure for autism. I relate to x-men so much because it’s essentially the same idea as what my people face. That’s why I hope more understand neurodiversity as time goes on and realizes we’re people, not a disease
Also ms
Made fun of being bullied being rejected by women
Because of my nose cartilage inability to grow
So yeah I know being different feels like
Lots of trans and autistic, which experience enormous overlap, feel this.
The high functioning mentally have super powers
@@MaxPain-o1y I wouldn’t say that. That puts us on a pedestal where we’re expected to perform. Also, there is no “high-functioning”. There are some who can mask their traits and others who can’t. Low-support needs is a better term for it, and is something that can fluctuate throughout our lifespans
@@Riddickisawesome101 you are right
I think Magneto is an awesome character! All cinematic versions of him have been great! Can’t wait to see who plays him next! 👏🏾
Even recent comics shows that Charles understand being pacifist isn’t enough to change things around, his speech in the end of house of x/power of x gives me chills, it’s basically the mutants saying enough of this bullshit
In its conception, Prof. X was modeled after the ideology of MLK, while Magneto was modeled after the ideology of Malcolm X.
However, that has recently changed because modern comics have been heavily influenced by modern-day activists, many of which now embrace the teachings of Malcolm X over those of MLK. Their hypocrisy gets even worse when you take into consideration that most openly condemn fascism while embracing Marxist concepts & principles hidden under a veil of " race", an ideology which has killed more people that Hitler and his Nazis could ever dream of, 100 million people in roughly 150 years.
@@JammerJay There's nothing hypocritical about mutants saying enough is enough and forming their own homeland. Also, genius, the Nazis were the government of one country and Marxism is an ideology. So maybe you should be comparing how many lives were lost between Marxism and reactionary rightwing movements like Nazism.
The problem is that we know better. I mean ... we don't because no one pays attention to history, but we SHOULD know better. Violence doesn't work. I'm not taking away from how great a man he was or how powerful and important his message was, but Malcom X achieved basically nothing beyond awareness and unification (which are important!). In fact him and the Black Panthers caused a resurgence of Jim Crow laws by justifying the belief that Blacks were savages coming to kill your white family.
In contrast, the voting rights bill was passed because a bunch of people in Selma did nothing while state troopers beat the crap out of (and killed a few) of them for hours.
It's the sad truth that if you want to really change something, step one is to get beaten, tossed in jail, and possibility murdered. You need to make your enemy the monster.
@@joelhenry5489 I mean I'm a Marxist and while, yes, this guy has no idea what Marxism is and yes you are right that you can have Marxist pacifists and Marxist authoritarians, the ideology deals almost exclusively with the economic axis ... I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that Marx was pretty sure that for it to work you had to kill almost every land and business owner!
He did frame it like "this is a bad thing ... hopefully someone else will figure out how to not have to do that", but if he had gotten support in his time that would NOT have been a bloodless upraising.
@@stefansamoyloff3866 Marx had no intention of leading any kind of revolution. He was a theorist who believed workers would rise naturally when the proper conditions were met. His ideas were used by revolutionaries but he himself was not one. But my point was that comparing Marxists to the Nazis is too narrow. The Nazis weren't the only fascist regime. What about Italy, Japan, Austria, Croatia, Hungary, etc. Fascism, like Marxism, was implemented in several countries. Tally up the bodies that way.
Magneto is basically Malcom x and even killmonger. They were definitely right in theory.
yes but the practice had more left to be desired.
@@jmgonzales7701of course.
@@chiefwakil i would actually would side with him if he was more on the defensive approach than agressively seeking out a reason to war.
Humans and mutants can coexist
If the writers let them
Xavier isnt blind to humanity's propensity for violence against things they do not understand. He just realizes peace can never be obtained if both sides don't fully agree with it.
One of the big reasons that would made me want to believe in Magneto's ideology is that unlike Xavier, Magneto never lets his humanity get in the way of his goals. He knows the risk of what he is doing, and the lengths he is prepared to go to achieve his goals.
Hell I think Xaiver and the X-Men failed because they let their human side get in the way. In a way quoting Green Goblin, they struggled every day to have everything they want while the world tries to make them choose. They were strong enough to have it all, yet ultimately too weak to take the opportunity. Like Xaiver could have used his powers to influence the politicians but he didn't.
Xavier doing that would be a slippery slope when using such power in such a way. I mean taking political sides would be a bad thing, how would you feel if your president became forced to do something against his will to rig the game for a foreign power? There’s no easy silver bullet when you have such great power.
@@KaosNova2 and I felt Magneto should have taken advantage of that.
Magneto was never right, and will never be right. It is the core point of the X-Men, no matter how tragic your life experience and of those around you is, you don't turn evil. The way of the X-Men is the righteous one. Magneto is a segregationist, Xavier teaches his students that mutants are human. Xavier's dream is worth the fight more than Magneto's self serving pragmatism.
That's not to say Magneto isnt a great character, he is, absolutely, but a nuanced villain, still a villain. It's just good that we can at least understand where he's coming from and feel simpathy for the, of course.
did u watch logan? because of charles javier not wanting to fight humans, look what happen almost all mutants are dead, tortured butchered experimented on, that wouldnt happen if they only listen to magneto u fool
@@archelharvey5229 See, that's so shortsighted, which is neglecting that there are mutants as intelligent as Tony Stark, one would figure other ways... Cause that's the point.
Besides of, Magneto being right doesnt mean they have to adopt his ways, cause they could SO easily rule over humans... For what, to be the bad guys?
Worse things than what happened in Logan happens in reality on a daily basis, from people doing it to other people.
Evil is strong, and they have to fight it, not join it XD. At the end of Logan (which i only care about the comics, and hardly nowadays, but Logan was a good sendoff for the great work Jackman has done, but i digress) follow the movies, so i dont know what convenient black magic writers pull to push villains as heroes, or anti heroes, which Magneto has been from time to time aswell. "Doing the hard thing, or the ugly thing"... But that's the thing, it's not hard, mutants wouldnt have a problem taking over humanity.
It's the same as, for religious people they get asked "why doesnt go prevent suffering in the world", and kinda the point is, we all have agency... The X-Men failed at figuring a way on how to prevent it, cause Magneto's way is simply unacceptable.
He isnt wrong, but his concern is just a smoke screen to takeover... That is what he truly always wanted, his daughter Wanda in house of M pretty much made him the ruler of an "utopian society" (that, he's been many times), even tho everything is an ilusion, because Magneto wants power... He would just be replacing one evil, by a different type of evil. Killed his own son out of pride in the comics.
Magneto isnt pure evil, but he is egotistical and powerhungry... And that's very much the core of hs arcs, him realizing he took things too far, or being butthurt that the X-Men won't join him in the carnage... And it's not like the X-Men themselves don't cause colossal fuckups without the help of Magneto.
But i respect your opinion, in the sense that... like civil war, it's open for debate which side is right, sometimes you lean towards cap, then you hear good arguments from the other side, and viceversa... the difference is... Cap and Ironman are both clear cut heroes, unlike Magneto. He will not hesitate to betray everyone's trust, he does it with his kids all the time, imagine those who are his enemies or he doesnt care about... Huge despot. Still a great tragic fallen type of character.
So taking care of things Magneto's way might have prevented one thing... Just one... And the X-Men cannot do things his way.
To quickly adress your points... They've experimented with mutants before Magneto was a toddler, Nathaniel Essex, his buddy buddy Mr Sinister, Weapon X... Come one... As for Mutant extinction, mutants themselves are the best at that, Wanda pretty much deleted them. The the Inhuman's terrigen mist is lethal poison to them... Mutants have faced great extinction events, and not always at the hands of hateful humans, but actual mutants.
To, close it off, you've probably read it, but if you haven't, there's a great X-Men arc, that you can find pretty much anywhere online, or any retail store that has comics, it's called "God Loves, Man Kills", not being condescending you've probably read it... but if you haven't, give it a read, might help comprehend why even tho Magneto is oftenly right, the X-Men simply cannot do things his way. Very good classic read. I hope you enjoy it if you havent read it.
I love these kind of debates. It’s really a testament to how great Magneto is that we still keep debating if he’s good or evil. Personally I can’t agree with his actions, he’s got a good motivation but he’s goes way too far and genocide is wrong, full stop. But I can’t bring myself to call him evil.
Magneto has always been my favourite mutant he has such good philosophys and I've always loved his ideals and his powers
After episode 8?
I both agree Magneto is Right...
And wish to God he wasn't.
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Magneto was right in both timelines. In the first timeline, sentinels wiped out mutants and in the second timeline, Alkali-Transigen's gene therapy wiped out mutants.
From the international War Crimes, including genocide, to the House of M, the comics have time & time again proven that Magneto wasn't right.
This is why Communism gets so villainized despite just being a social theory. It's because those who tried to implement it wanted quick results, instead of the time real change takes, and so they turned to totalitarianism & fascism. Communism on its own is harmless. Communism plus those who "choose violence" almost always equals crimes against humanity.
Magneto didn't want to do the real work, he just wanted results. Charles knew that it was an uphill battle, but it was one that needed to be fought. Nothing good is built overnight; not Rome & definitely not a better world. This is something people in our own real world forget about all the time, and will continue to forget about until we learn our lesson.
While this is not Marvel but DC Comics, Superman for a long time and likely still true had a politically neutral stance, sure he would still fight the villains, but he wouldn’t side with specific people political parties or nations to try and avoid escalating situations or corrupting himself.
No, communism is bad. It causes people to do bad things so it's a bad political ideology.
Megatron and Magneto are so misunderstood, both are fighting for the right cause but in the wrong way.
Magneto was always half right, while Xavier was always half right.
Humans ALWAYS come after mutants no matter what and cause so many atrocities and genocides. But even if Humans did stop hating or fearing mutants. Magneto STILL wants to eradicate all humans or turn them into slaves.
Luckily, they Xavier and Magneto have come to the middle on Krakoa. Magneto even admitted during the Knull invasion that he was wrong when he was creating a safe haven for some humans.
If this 2as real humans would want to kill mutants. Especially if theg could not control them. Its fear. People fear what they don't understand. Imagine having beings around mu h stronger than you and that can kill you at a moment glance if they should choose too. It would make you very uncomfortable. You will perceive them as a threat.
Magneto still believes in mutant supremacy. Only now Xavier does too, and so do the other X-Men.
I was crushed when Ralph/quicksilver was just a D joke. Evan peters played my second favorite X-Men, next to wolverine, I would’ve really enjoyed to see Ralph/quicksilver remember the professor or the mansion after he got the necklace ripped off or whatever in the last episode
same
Really curious how Screencrush has a kind of an argument about the Evan Peters' character's use and why it worked on the show.
@@GrenimanX3 yeah I’ve seen the video, there are reasonable points he pulls up, but to me it just does not work. If the MCUs next big thing is “multiverse” then they seriously dropped the ball with the Ralph reveal. Like seriously, why couldn’t marvel at least left the door slightly open? I just think it’s a big missed opportunity to tease the multiverse in a bigger way that would have soooo many people talking about. I mean shiii i at least wanted to see a slow motion scene with Evan Peters at least once in the MCU
@@clemensprod.5756 Well, for me the use of the actor at the beggining was really good for me; being used as a character that would create confusion and intrigue to wanda and us (the viewers), we had instantly recognise him as Pietro but from the Xmen movies. But then, the problem for me was the fking joke of B-O-H-N-E-R.
A lot of people were annoyed by that Bohner joke as they were annoyed with The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. They've changed that so they can change this! It's lazy writing as Deadpool would say, and he's from Fox and is now in the MCU then so are the X-Men and I think some of the great actors that were in X-Men like McAvoy and Fassbender should be brought over to the MCU, especially in the age of the Multiverse.
I was always with Magneto!
Humanity had it's chance and we failed.
Xavier will fail.
MUTANT AND PROUD!!!!!!!!
But mutants also have terrible people so what are you actually saying?
As I grow in age and experience, I have observed that consistency in humans is very rare. The ego has to be kept in constant check.
No ones a bigger Magneto fan than me but he didn’t create utopia. Having said that. I love this video. All great points. I wonder who will play Magneto next.
He actually co-created the mutant only nation of Krakoa (Hickman!) which is the mutant dream realized. But, all beautiful things (Utopia) tend to fall apart.
Do you agree?
No. I can’t. Erik’s actions didn’t help the Mutant Lynching Crisis. They furthered the divide between humans and mutants.
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Yes and no. Violence is inevitable only because it’s a super hero movie franchise, so because it’s fictional Magneto is “more” right. If it were real life, I think Xavier would be seen as more correct.
I always wanted a storyline where they would allow young human students into the Xavier institute where they can grow up together and it takes a couple of generations to finally reach peace
Absolutely. He was right in practice. And had always been my favorite. Charles was right in principle though.
Violence is part of politics. It always has been. Either to oppress or to defend. What liberalism (in a political theory way of understanding the term) has done is think you can always out reason, out talk, and out morality (?) others using violence by using words. Reality is sometimes violent, whether we like it or not. Magneto has always been a rational political actor who understands people don't always want to talk and reason (Prof. X) when their very existence is in peril. Magneto's viewpoint was always right even if his specific methods weren't.
The problem is most violence stems from a fear or imbalance real or perceived. Neither Xavier or Magneto understood they have the resources to eliminate those stressors. Mutants literally break thermodynamic laws. They have a skill that can literally solve all the worlds problems, but neither leader can see beyond capitulation or domination. Nobody dealing with the plain human/mutant human divide sees that.
All the Mutants have to do is BUY cooperation. Not sell it.
@mzaite they tried it in the krakoa era turns out humans would rather die horribly than just accept mutants have a right to live. Hell, the whole Judgment Day event had a literal god who helped form humanity call out their bullshit including mutant racism with the threat of extinction hanging in the balance and after it was all said and done people still hate mutants at that point the avengers should have just stepped in and said you fuck with mutants you fuck with us.
Love your work but not this theory. Violence begets violence, and Magneto was just a racist and cruel from the side of the victims. Methods not justified, which your disclaimer at the end doesn't course correct.
its either human dies or mutants dies dude
Watching this after the most recent episode of X-Men 97.
Seeing as this started as an allegory for racial tensions during the civil rights movement with Xavier being MLK and Magneto being being Malcolm X, I wonder how this might reflect on the real world. Are we truly doomed to not be able to coexist with one another? I for one want the core dream of Xavier to be true.
It’s a good day to binge some screencrush videos
The thing that made LOGAN the greatest tragedy in comic book movies, is that everything ended not with a bang. No deities, no giant robots or lizard women, or world ending events. And the down fall of Charles Xavier and his x men was caused not by aliens or cosmic beings, but the one thing none of us can escape; time.
The thing is, everything Mangeto says about humans can be flipped on mutants. Yes it only takes one bad man to wipe out all mutants like Stryker, but it also takes only one bad or brainwashed powerful mutant to exterminate all humans.
The humans fear of one dangerous mutant won't differentiate and will extend to all, yet Mangetos fear of one dangerous human also to him justifies measures that extend to all
Nah, dude, this ain't it. Erik's beliefs and principles are right, absolutely, but his methods are monstrous. In the very first film, he was told that his machine didn't create stable mutants out of normal humans, but corrupted their DNA and made them slowly die, but he said "fuck it" and tried to use it anyway. In X2 he went one step further and tried to exterminate the entire human race, leaving only mutants alive. Regardless of how good his motives might be, genocide is evil and wrong and never justifiable. Like you said, Stryker is just one man; is it fair or just to kill 8 billion humans because of the crimes of a single man? That just sounds like a weak justification for bigotry and extermination to me.
Perhaps you can argue that Xavier is too passive and trusting, sure, but that doesn't make Erik right by default. As in pretty much everything in life, a balanced middle path is usually the right approach. Turning to extremism because your enemies turned to extremism first is how you get Armenia and Turkey, Israel and Palestine, the Irish Troubles, Kashmir, Sri Lanka, and most of the worst things that humans have ever done.
Creating more corpses never solves anything.
Okay, I kept watching and this is pretty much exactly what you said later on. Never mind. :D
Yep, thanks for this, I was looking for this comment!
@@jamesdominguez7685 you can't gain peace without war.
@@coreythomas3633 - War is peace! Freedom is slavery!
@@jamesdominguez7685 how so?
After Xmen First Class, I also believed that Magneto was and is right. Humans being humans, whether in fiction or reality, war is sadly inevitable. 😔
I always hoped for peace, but so many humans prove Magneto right. Especially those in power. I would support the registration if mutants were not blatantly oppressed and brutalized. Everyone is not Sabretooth, if they had some nuance there could be peace.
Was always a fan of magneto. This was awesome you guys
I really liked Magneto in the First Class quadrilogy. McKellen was good, but I think that Fassbender was the better of the two.
Master mold once said that humans and mutants are one in the same, it’s funny how machines know this and living beings still prefer conflict.
Would you consider doing videos on which villains were wrong? Or which heroes were right?
Stryker couldn't have almost accomplished anything without his mutant son 😆 it's so ironic it's funny
Magneto wasn't right. His actions ensured that his prophecy came about. It's like someone saying "I'm going to die from lung cancer" and then proceeding to spend 20 years smoking cigarettes.
He always escalated, and his escalations tended to the "kill 1000+ humans" level.
He's flawed, as is anyone who experienced the horrors which he has. The difference is that he has the power to fight back. It would be inconceivable to him to allow history to repeat itself. Still, as my grandmother used to say, " an eye for an eye leaves both sides blind". Is he right? Yes. Is he justified? History is on his side. Is he making things worse? Also yes. Tough call.
@@carloscrecelius9597 History is definitely _not_ on his side. The only thing Magneto does is escalate. He doesn't desire peace, and never works towards it.
In the first movie, his response to proposed legislation is the murder of all the world's leaders.
In the second movie, the big-bad goes off the deep end and tries to kill all mutants. His response? Kill all the non-mutants.
In the third movie, he loses a fight and his response? Destroy the planet. He even regrets it with a "what have I done".
At no point does he seek peaceful coexistence. He doesn't even seek it with others of his "group".
He's the guy who when skipped for promotion blows up the building under the belief that if everyone else is dead they'll just _have_ to give him the promotion.
I would argue that if Magneto didn't exist, the dark future in Days of Future Past would never have happened.
@@jasonpollock1054 he didn't try to murder the world's leaders, his plan was to turn them into mutants, to force them to see things from his perspective. Everything else he did was in response to perceived threats to his people. Having seen how humanity reacts to those they see as different, he's unwilling to trust them. He's determined to never be a victim again, and tends to react violently to any threat. And when Stryker , Trask and the government prove him right, he's willing to go to any lengths to defend his people. From his perspective, he is justified, and considering that they wanted to eliminate not just him but all mutants, I can't definitively say he's wrong. His origins make him a flawed and twisted human being, but like all of us, he sees himself as the hero, fighting against injustice to save his fellow mutants. If he'd been successful, history would call him a hero, because history is written by the victors.
@@carloscrecelius9597 except it became murder when the X-Men informed him of the senator's death. Before that it still would have been murder because of the murders on the way in. There is no way to frame his actions as justified.
Both are important, people like Xavier make humanity better. Push everyone to be better. To be good. Magneto sees the world as it is. And protects his kind from it the best he can. Both are important. One for survival, the other for hope.
but they cannot coexist which is what makes the story of xmen so interesting when its written well
Frankly speaking Xavier's plea on patience and perseverance fell on deaf years otherwise humanity wouldn't have wiped out humanity in 'Logan'.
Imagine if the mutants are introduced to the MCU as characters that have already been alive for a long time and had their experiences and battles that we know of, but have been living in hiding on Krakoa and have used Xavier's power or a similar one by someone else to erase humanity's memories of mutantkind. Then maybe they start having some inner disputes for power which causes them to be noticed by the outside world. Or some spike of energy caused by some mutant's power. SHIELD, or SWORD, I guess, goes to investigate, some mutants want to go the diplomatic way, others want to just use their combined powers to redirect SWORD's attention elsewhere somehow and keep Krakoa hidden, but some saboteur/traitor decides to attack preemptively or there's a misfire, SWORD gets hit and decides to retaliate, maybe even requesting the aid of their own superpowered heroes. And of course, all the while, there have been some mutants living outside of Krakoa who could keep their powers a secret, but with so many superpowered beings coming to the spotlight and being generally accepted, some start thinking maybe its time for mutants to return to their original homes, because they should at least have the freedom to choose that for themselves.
I actually LIKE a more ruthless Magneto! But I never understood him in the second X-Men movie . Why didn’t he just rescue Charles when he had the chance? He just what, left him trapped in Cerebro? Him attempting to kill everyone seemed a bit out of nowhere and just, what the?
Magneto's rationale is inherently flawed. The nazis viewed the Jews as inferior and wished to commit genocide. Although Magneto did have valid reasons, he also believed humans as inferior and wished to commit genocide against them as well.
If Magneto were to accomplish his objective it would hurt mutants in the end. Mutants are already far more evolved than humans and very powerful mutants like jean grey, professor x, etc adding to the gene pool would only make more and more powerful mutants overtime. The mutants would be then norm and then they would mutate further into more powerful beings and the whole genocide argument would come up again.
Although Professor X is extremely ineffective, it makes more sense in the long term. Overtime the mutant population would overtake the human population naturally anyways and with cohesion the world could ethically benefit off of mutants enhanced abilities. When the time came that the mutants were to be replaced by another more evolved being it would strengthen the argument of just increasing cohesion until mutated assimilation as they had done before rather than genocide.
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Magneto's plan only makes sense until mutants evolve again and try to kill them too.
Erik was irreparably damaged by the Holocaust. Steve remained Steve- the horror of what " they " did to Buckey didn't turn him into a monster.
I would love to see X and M work together on the Big Screen :)
Charles and Magneto were both wrong. Magneto's past was beneficial but also what clouded his judgement a lot of times. Xavier on the other hand as you've mentioned was attempting to juggle the line of keeping with against some people who don't want peace.
I've had a shirt that says "Magneto was right" for years and never knew what it meant.
Magneto tried to genocide humans many times, he would kill you
@@geardestroy mygod bro were talking about xmen, its either all mutants die or all humans die, charles havier was a fool for his hope, look what his hope bring to them, it kills almost all of the mutants if only he listen to magneto
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"Why Mr. Ditkovitch was right "
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The true Peace for humans and mutants are seperation. I wish they would highlight it if will be a part of the MCU
Great video essay! Well written and a good point
Who should play Magneto in the MCU?
@Football Troll that would be 🔥🔥🔥
Ben Mendelsohn
Rick Astley
Jason Issacs
Micheal Fassbender again. He is...perfection.
Its amazing that most people's introduction to Malcom Xs teachings is Magneto. Now yall are starting to get it✊🏿
Interesting perspective, I read somewhere Stan the G.O.A.T modeled Magneto after Malcolm X and Xavier after Martin Luther King Jr. He took their ideals, the war against races and created the Xmen comics. Perhaps Magneto was indeed right in the end, many people however believe that in the only thing they were right about is that mutants will always be hunted......
It will be interesting to see how Disney/Marvel handle Magneto’s back story now. WW2 Holocaust is pretty old now.. but is such a integral part to Magneto.
Well said! Every box that needed to be checked you checked it and with efficiency and insight. I grew up reading comic books I love them till this day because of the great storytelling. Yes I agree magneto was right. There's no such thing as utopia everyone's tried to create it and it's never worked.
"peace takes years and costs lives, violence takes less years and takes lives"
Ryan, I'm pleasantly surprised again by how deep and poignant your commentary was!
Magneto has always been and will always be my favourite mutant.
Philosophy speaking, both of their visions are justified as well as their lives. Professor X has impulse control that Magneto does not.
According to TV Tropes Magneto would be an example of an "Anti-Villain" and a "Well-Intentioned Extremist."
They are both wrong and right. Its why i always loved the X-Men
If Infinity War and Endgame had us arguing for years if Thanos was right about overpopulation, proving Magneto is right about a single activist cause that literally means "I want to protect my people." will be the easiest thing Marvel has ever done. I can't wait for the MCU's take on the X-Men.
Who will win if magneto fights storm?
That could probably go either way
I always thought the xmen would work better as a tv series than movies just because its a cast esemble & it would take time to introduce & show the connections between the cast mates.
Age of Apocalypse best arc ever.
I like how the video is "Magneto was right" but then walks that back around all the things he did while being "right". Seems a little disingenuous as an argument, and a little bit more concerned with having a clickbait title.
While we all have to respect anybody, who stands for rights of oppressed minorities (like mutants) and protects them, even using violence against predators (basically it's self-defense), the sole idea of humanity that is enable to accept otherness to such an extent is BS.
If we were to believe that mutants won't be accepted at any point of time, then Magneto is right. But history of humanity has definitely shown that we embrace diversity (not always immediately) and thus Magneto is basically the same as Nazi's who killed his mother, because he thinks that every non-mutant is the same (like Nazis) - it's essentially exact logic that leads to hatred against mutants.
And while original X-men had drawn clear line between good and bad, where Xavier is good because he assess everybody by their individuality (which means that mutants can be bad, and non-mutants can be good) and Magneto is bad because he assess everybody by their heritage (which means all mutants are good and all non-mu), the latest installment of X-men goes along with left-wing propaganda that there are only "oppressors" and "oppressed" and both of them defined by immutable characteristics (like X-gen, race, gender, etc.)
But we don't embrace diversity, it has to be forced onto us.
Think of black history in America. It shows for a good amount of time, people refused violently to embrace diversity. Humans are not open to the idea because we are all so stubborn and tribalistic.
And for the most part, there are oppressors and oppressed. Not everyone oppresses even if they can and not all of the oppressed are innocent, but that doesn't mean that oppressors and oppressed people don't exist.
If Magneto had not been to prejudice about humans he would also helped the humans whom accepted their mutant relatives/friends/lovers as well as making Genosha a secret country for them to live on.
The only problem with this line of thinking is that is states segregation is better than integration. And that would apply to all cultures, subcultures, and countercultures. Unfortunately, after segregation, there is a desire for dominance. Taking good land from others. This is the violent history of humanity.
As a Jew, I love Magneto's character because I certainly relate. We had a real life comparable enmity between two modern Jewish leaders in Israel, one was Prime Minister David Ben Gurion, who led the Hagganah and preferred a peaceful diplomatic approach with the British and Arab people. Then we had Menachem Begin , a Holocaust Survivor and leader of the Irgun, who was certainly more aggressive and attacked civilian targets. One wanted Jewish independence by diplomacy and coexistence, the other wanted Jewish independence by any means necessary, both wanted the same dream, but disagreed on how to achieve it. As much as I admire and wish Professor X's approach would work, my experience as a Jew tells me the rest of humanity will never truly accept us, always a catch, always a price, we can never just live peacefully in our own homeland. So we're forced to fight and survive, by any means necessary. So yes, I believe Magneto was right, because I believe Begin was right. Just a real life perspective from a Marvel fan.
Nah, Scott was right. Magneto is too extreme and Xavier was too easy on the enemies
Speaking of x men....I have question about wolverine: why on earth he is using only his claws to fight?
Like his main weaknesses compared to other mutants is that he has no ranged powers,abilities to fly or crazy mobility...
He could literally fix all those flaws with military grade weapons, hand grenades and bombs... since he is literally a war veteran he already got the training and experience for it to...
He pretty much could win any close range fight easily by dropping a couple of hand grenades under his feet and abusing his healing factor .
Use ar 15 to snipe magneto and that would work cuzz his powers does not include long range detection and bullets trawels faster then sound so no way magneto would be able to stop bullet at random time of his day when he is not expecting or seeing a threat going to his vitals...or just using explosives at the place magneto is going 2 go...
Pretty much only flash or professor x he could not take down ,but after getting magneto helmet it would be reduced just to flash... also no one stops him to get those bullets or bombs that removes superpowers from mutants...
Its a dumb idea to say Magneto should "Lead the X-Men" when the X-Men only exist to follow XAVIER'S ideals. Magneto already has his own X-me, They are called the Brotherhood of Mutants, Originally the Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants.
peace was never an option
One issue I have is that Magneto is a hypocrite at least in X3. He sends lowly mutants first when they attack Alcatraz, and it makes him come off as someone who wants to rule his people rather than one who wants to protect them.
I respect Xavier's idealism and Eric's realism.