From Trump to Le Pen: Why the far-right surge? • FRANCE 24 English
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- Many who read the polls might say 2024 seems like the year of living dangerously. No one is arguing about who's got the momentum, only four days out from snap legislative elections here in France and on the eve of the first presidential candidates' debate in the United States.
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Why is the birth rate going down? Because it's harder and harder for ordinary people to raise a family, buy a house and save for retirement. Rich people haven't stopped having kids, Elon Musk has 14, Trump has 5. Children are becoming a privilege of the wealthy and those on the government dole. Immigration doesn't make it easier to afford children, immigration increases the demand and cost for everything but labor and the young native born experience it daily.
You in a nutshell explained the reason for the growth of the right. Great comment !
@@Muzakman37 It's obvious in South Korea. I don't know about Japan, it's pretty different culturally, not worse at all, just different. In China the factors driving it may be different but the effect is the same. Ordinary people are struggling and want change.
@@amenbrother8818 That's not quite it. Japan,SK & Taiwan all have absolutely stunted population growth and in Japan they've finally recognized that they can't maintain what they've been used to without immigration, public attitudes have changed there. Thailand is also about to peak in its pop & then its down from there.
There aren't burgeoning radical/hard right surges in any of them.
Can we get a more biased and condescending host?
Yes. Fox News has that covered.
Don't forget your masters at CNN and MSNBC who tells its viewers to harm people who votes differently. Not tyrannical at all
it's to the point of comedy, they are as extreme a caricature of the left as you could find. I get a good chuckle listening to them.
France 24 is a French publicly-funded international news television network. It has an obligation to taxpayers to fix the bias.
Maybe for diversity of thought, you should have included a Populist
To answer this question, you need to see what is happening in Kenya. Around the world, politicians in democratic countries have ignored the grievances of the people and have pursued paths beneficial to them and their friends( lenders included). People are tired of being lied to but unfortunately, they still think they can get sheep among wolves( majority politicians).
Exactly
Kenya's problem is it owes oodles of money to China and is now struggling to pay it's debts to anyone else, so they put taxes up which Kenyans didn't like.
And if you think authoritarian regimes don't lie to their people 100x more than democratic ones then you might need to go back to school.
The top 1% have pushed the average citizen to the edge….unchecked immigration, net zero, higher taxes, inflation, cost of living, unaffordable housing, political correctness and on and on and on….WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING its gonna happen? 😂🤦♂️
@@Muzakman37 Chinese investment are very visible but on the other hand, IMF investments that are tied to annual tax increment around the world are not visible. It is like IMF shares the loot with corrupt government officials but the ordinary people pay the price.
You can ignore what the ''far right'' cares about but you cannot ignore the consequences
This guy with the glasses is becoming Unhinged
is this supposed to be a comedy?
@@davidschlageter5962 with the man in studio, it's definitely a comedy
'Why the Far-Right Surge'?
Let's ask people only on the Left, the Centre Left and the Centre.
We'll, you are far-right, so what is it you want?
what in the heck do they mean by "far right" I mean does that mean not quite as socialist as we prefer?
@@TheTwangKingsTalking in a leftist echo chamber will never give the answer on what’s actually going on.
To have a real discussion it requires the other-side be represented.
@@victorbernard1256 If the "other-side" doesn't engage in demagoguery and fear-mongering, and can carry on a normal conversation, why not. But something tells me that is not possible.
@@victorbernard1256lol! I just read the response post by thetwangkings. Isn't his / her response the classic pot calling the kettle black?! Again, LOL.
Kahneman has shown neither intelligence nor education inoculates against falling for comfortable cultism rather than cognitive reasoning.
😂they just don't get it!
You can tell that they fear the tv budget cut. Nobody is mentionning anything constructive anymore... we just scream and call half the population stupid, without any arguments...😅
That should be " Mal-educated ", not " Under-educated ".
Are you talking about leftist ? Then you’d be correct
I am concerned that what you're referring to as "mal educated" you really mean "don't agree with me". As someone who probably does agree with you (liberal, highly educated) my opinion is to allow debate to become degenerate is playing into the fascists hands. The fascists are not just anyone who thinks migration is a problem. They're a specific minority subset, and if migration and the economy are controlled then yes there will always be fascists but they cannot gain traction
These people are hopeless. How about when your government makes it clear that it consider its citizens to be the enemy the people decide there must be something better.
I think this discussion is missing the point entirely.
indeed. from child birth rate to education
They always try to switch the topic in more comfortable way when faces difficulty … leftist politics is oxygen for them and this moment they see that degrading
People will = democracy !
Not according to the commentators and their host.
Their are claiming:
“PEOPLEs WILL = FASCISM”
So ridiculous isn’t it?
And if the will of the majority is that a sector of the minority is killed off, does that mean the fact that that path was democratically chosen make it an ethical path ?
Craig Copetas calls right-wing voters uneducated while only managing to name-call rather than speak eloquently and intelligently. That's the kettle calling the imaginary pot black.
This circus of a show is the left arguing among the far-left. They need more diversity of opinions. Sad.
@@outofoblivionproductions4015 Idk he is speaking from a French outlet and he's mostly spot on except for the "under-educated" part. Our public schools are being manipulated so often its less like kettle calling pot more like kettle calling rapist a rapist.
It’s the same in the US, the left basic strategy is to yell racist or fascist at their opponents. No logical or thoughtful arguments, just name calling. Obnoxious people who should not be in power.
Anyone who disagrees with my worldview must be uneducated. ...brilliant argument. hahahaha
Going Zero Emissions is very expensive and costly.
Poor Paul Mason used to be a relevant voice in the UK a decade ago
Mr Craig is a disaster! Please stop bringing him for geopolitical discussion tables. Every topic he goes bonanza.
you mean the man with glasses in the studio? totally agree. This man should appear in a laugh program instead of a serious debate like this
You mean bonkers. ?
I cannot see Le Pen without her handsome boy toy always near. What are they doing for France or anywhere else. Truly?
Lenin who never worked for a day, wanted to lead the proletariat he despised. 😂😂
True that !
Joey Cannibals Biden Administration, the Greatest Comedy Show in the history of mankind!
"Yasha" actually makes sense.
Many are tired of left and far-left and are looking towards right and far-right. Pure logic. 😉
Because you're tired of something doesn't mean you find the other extreme appealing - no - not pure logic. Incrementalism is logical
Tired of a world without nazis? You're obviously tired of life.
Then why didn’t the left become logical by doing incrementalism? Why are they going full throttle with their Leftism ideologies and agendas?
This Daily Beast dude is exactly why liberals are in trouble. Stop lecturing mate.
Inflation of the money supply is the reason for rising prices. No politicians or experts like to talk about it.
Europe like America screwed up the COVID response. The lock downs, school closures was nonsense. Fauci admitted the 6 foot rule was BS. For Europe it was 2 meters so I guess your BS was a bit longer. That caused inflation!
Now in America we have a low IQ President who cannot figure where to stand and soils his pants much less lead.
this daily beast is nuts
I like to refresh the page to see how soon comments get "disappeared" lol. My first one lasted less than 10 min! Must of been full of mis-/mal-/dis-information
Good to include a Boomer Shouting At Clouds. That old American chap is why the situation is as bad as it is.
I have that little book in my bathroon 🤭
It’s simple, when one side pushes extreme left and wokeism, mainstream ppl turn right or extreme right. Remember every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
Macron definitely isn't pushing wokeism/"multiculturalism". Deranged leftists hate him.
Who in mainstream politics is extreme left in western nations? Because most politicians that claim to be left are neoliberal
University full mental health services
The real issue is the rich-poor gap. The rich wants more immigrants because immigrants pays rents to them and work for them at very low wages. The relative poor have to compete with these immigrants for living places and wages. The relative poor are labelled far right because they ask for better management of immigrants
great to see an unbiased debate for once
😂😂😂😂😂
I’m assuming sarcasm !
@@victorbernard1256 some people would actually think this was a balanced debate
One word - sovereignty
Lets go trump. Thanks for having a discussion where pretty much everybody agrees.
The people who are under educated are people like your guests and unfortunately most politicians who have no idea either about economic realities on the ground or solutions to problems or even how economics works. We are in a mess because the tax burden has been taken off those who could afford to pay and who used to pay from Roosevelt right up to Reagan. Economics is if people can afford to buy business doesn't work. If the workforace isn't healthy they are not productive. If we don't fund education at all levels we will lack professionals and those we have will ask too much for their labour which will cost the taxpayers more. And if people turn to extremes it is because the mainstream centrist have let them down. Next step after Starmer = Reform
Everything that could go wrong for the average or small business man HAS gone wrong….the west’s governments acted as if ONLY the top 1% existed, in recent years 😬
Pretty good debate .
11:00 Craig Copetas. Far to wound up and vocally loud. Dude you loose it. Stay chilled and make sense for your watches.
Everyone on this program says things from his/her personal interest perspective. Follow the money.
I disagree with Monk and Mason on several issues , but they had some interesting points to make, the yank dude in the studio was (were I French) an adver to vote for Bardella's party
I didn’t hear a point much less one that was valid. I watched for the comedic value!
Why the surge? Just taking a wild guess, I would say maybe immigration and so-called asylum seekers. A totally new off-the-wall suggestion, I know. Like it's not been surging for the last thirty years.
Why does everybody think that this is an ideology problem that some people don't have the intellect to understand, maybe it is simply a financial and connexion problem, people see that the world evolves, and they make all the efforts(most of them) but despite that they feel atomized&alienated with the world they know and of course poorer by day.......they know that their problems cannot be solved by truth and just seek revenge and some satisfaction since they are thrown in this situation by the last guys they choose.....people are not stupid!
Tax financial transactions and capital gains. Create jobs in countries with high emigration rates and at home, even if they're government jobs.
Anyone not a leftist must be far far far right, right?
I respect and admire Gergia Meloni. Demographics is a matter of immense disscussion in countries around the work. And have a one trick pony will not work for any coutry. More than 8 billion on our globe. On your globe.
I'm tired of this.
This is a sociological and psychological phenom and fueled by the self-interest of each political party.
The present European and USA generation, say up to the age of 50, have been enjoying a very easy time compared to the generation just after the war.
This present generation wants to have everything without working for them. And i everything in the society has been getting very competitive.
The political parties have made errors in migration politics, which has been an excuse for the young generation. They think, in vain and ignorance, that stopping the immigration will solve their economic, political, social problems.
It is true that migration is really a big problem. the solution is to make proper and appropriate decisions together with public education.
There will always be extreme minds deviating from the democratic norm. This can be taken as a positive thing for it will act as checks and balances. But these extreme right groups can never prevail as the history tells us. And Pres. Macron is challenging the civic minds of the French people. And he is right. People at the end will take responsibility of their life by expressing their minds.
Education level almost entirely explains Trump. Prove me wrong - you can't
its because mass immigration negatively impacts the lower classes in a way that it doesn't impact the upper classes.
My advice to you is to stay home.
Be afraid, be very afraid.👀
🤣🤣🤣✌️
drain the swamp
2024, Living dangerously!!? For sure, in the Western Hemisphere😂😂😂
This is one of the most intelligent conversations about geopolitics I have seen in years.
Excellent work as usual from France 24.
I hope you’re being sarcastic!
The Far Right only surges during times of crisis and uncertainty, when “the old solutions” no longer seem to work.” The Right is surging, not only in France but in most Western democracies, because people are fearful of an uncertain future, and they have lost confidence in “the traditional way of doing things.” This opens the door to the worst form of demagoguery-as neo-Fascists (conveniently relabeled as “nationalists” or “populists,”) peddle simplistic and often destructive policies that might satisfy the emotional need to “simply do something!” but never actually provide constructive solutions. By turning to the political extremes, especially the simplistic and hateful policies of Le Pen, France is taking the easy way out. And France will pay a terrible price. As an American, I believe my country deserves no sympathy for having elected Trump. And the same applies to France. You will get EXACTLY what you deserve. And it won’t be pretty. Further economic stagnation, and a society at war with itself. Grow up!
If she is popular enough to win election she is main stream, not far right. Maybe you don't realize you are the marginal voice ...
It's a mystery all right.
First give power back to the coutry and people not outside to places like Brussels
Excellent discussion
Could have made his bed 😂
If Meloni is far right then everyone to the right of Marx is right wing 😭
They no longer know what far right is which is why the word is now irrelevant
People are sick of left wing liberals and paying for wars we didn't start. Tough talk is easy, but tough actions are needed, and what many right wing politicians bring to the table.
Are you from the US?
Most modern wars were entered into under the banner of Christian nationalism. The freedom to choose doesn't breed police brutality, praise murderous dictators, or ignore the militia clause. So much of our aggression has been turned inward by the far right that our adversaries have become aggressive towards our allies in Europe and Asia pacific. It's amazing we still have allies there after Trxmp was potus. Fascism has already been attempted. It always fails and the poorest always suffer the greatest consequences.
@TH-camCensorsEverything
Says all this with no data
@@Eye_Of_The_Pyramid None required
@@TH-camCensorsEverythingthats NOT true….plenty of left wing governments in times of the disastrous Middle East wars started by the US desire for oil 😂
Trump, Le Pen, Farage the list goes on, far right populists, the populist bit is what's dangerous
The people like them the people want them that's democracy deal with it
Why their popular
Yeah, listening to people? Scary! What we need are compassionate technocratic neoliberal overlords putting us in our place!
What's dangerous is failing to realize these are demagogues. Not consciously elected leaders.
@@295Phoenix
Yeah, let's go with one world government.
Whats with all this American Cripe......I want a French pespective not a Slappy joe Star Bucks Narrative.
you, people, are one ideology, one socialist party no other
"FAR-right" lol
No Coke Only Pepsi👹
R City 5year children 88 year women teachell Rourkela students half mental
Trump 2024
4 left of center (to far left) commentators commenting on something they have no idea about - right wing politics.
It's like asking people who can't swim for swimming tips.
Something for France24 to consider, when inviting guests...
Yep….left to far left commentators ONLY 🤦♂️
@@Ghost-airlines Yascha Mounk isn't left at all, he's a Centrist and has been warning about this rise for years and why it will come, by far the most qualified commentator in this discussion on the topic, but your sentiment is right, no voices from the Right, not even the Centre Right.
Oh, how easily time healed what fascists did to France?
I think the uneducated may be thinking about storming the Bastille!
methinks they wised up before that happened lol
All the cultures , languages, and ethnic groups that will disappear in the next 100 years are in Europe- there won't be a multi cultural UK or Europe, there will be the culture of whatever immigrants you allow in. That culture will eventually become THE culture. And no one will speak French or German, or Polish, etc... everyone wants to go to western countries and call themselves German or Polish or French etc.. while their culture and languages are safe at home. Being a French national doesn't make you French. Maybe I could become a citizen of China or Korea or India, but my ethnicity will not change. Aren't German, French, Polish people also ethnic groups. If the migration was in the other direction the liberals would call it colonialism or genocide.
Facts; we will NEVER be seen as Indian, chinese korean and japanese if we immigrate there….not even in 100 years 😂
In the new Woke ideology being German, French or Polish is something to be ashamed of.
You need to suffer for the sins of your ancestors. This crazy ideology is what’s being taught at once prestigious universities. That is considered educated.
The Red, White and Blue as world leader are getting lame
Extrimists stabb cartoonists: preists : school teachers.. Tourists every one to expand their caliphate.. Thats why..
Does this mean that this newsreaders job is almost over also?
Most muslims in France are as far away from the caliphate as one can be though lol
Thank you for calling them by their true name - Fascist. And yes, they do appeal to the under-educated. 👌👌👌👍👍👍
Something like 50+% of college graduates don’t use there degrees after they finish. If education is the biggest predictor of voting patterns and half of these geniuses are working baristas jobs after 4 years. Why is they’re say more dignified than the carpenters plumbers and nurses working in the REAL economy? who might ACTUALLY have an ear to the ground notion of what’s actually going on in the country
You told them ……now they’re scared and they and they’re voting blocs will run away im sure 🙄🙄😂🤦♂️
Trump 2024 🇺🇸
Total piece of crap, along with the people trying to make him relevant in actual intelligent peoples lives. Knock it the hell off.
If he wins don't come and cry after.
@andree_nakita they belive in the nation,not the open global order as it is.
@@andree_nakita
Why would we cry ?
@@Eye_Of_The_Pyramid Cos he's fkn incompetent.
Trumps economy was the best of a lifetime.
If that lifetime was only 12 years, then sure.
@@Muzakman37 Statistics don't lie
@@davidschlageter5962 Statistics don't lie, you're right. But you do.