Why is Macronâs Centrism So Unpopular in France?
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Macron recently warned that a far-right or a far-left victory could spark a 'civil war'. While that obviously isn't the case, it's clear that Macron's centrist agenda seems to have failed.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:54 - Context
02:17 - How Macron's Centrist Agenda Failed
06:13 - What Next?
07:06 - Sponsored Content
Half the people think he goes too far? The other half think he doesnât go too far enough?
John Jackson and Jack Johnson!
That's literally the definition of center ð
The other half *sees that he's only in power to preserve the transfer of wealth and compromise towards the right.
Well, if he gave both ends of the political spectrum what they wanted and needed (within reason), he'd still be in the center and likely be less hated.
Welcome in France
Have you considered he might be unpopular because he's a politician in France?
trueeee
He's a politician in the West, as France isn't the only Western country with generalized discontent right now. If this was the only factor, however, Macron would still remain in charge despite discontent ; just like Sanchez in Spain.
You do realize there are popular candidates and politicians, right? Just cause they aren't as famous as the ones who are shit dosent make them not exist.
The sad thing is this isn't even really a joke. If you look at the polling for French Presidents over the past 30-40 years, they all become extremely unpopular around the 4-5 year mark. The countries electorate is fickle and slow/resistant to change with the hyper-partisan left and right wing blocs are very combative to basically anyone that's not as ideologically pure as they are. I'll be surprised if the next two or three President's after Macron can somehow break the cycle.
Its management went down the drain because initially it was some kind of fucking theater. Attempts to push his wife into management positions, to make her the first lady, statements that he is not able to manage without her and they will make decisions together. This theater, when after Russiaâs attack on Ukraine he changed into sweatshirts and pretended to be concerned, copying Zelensky. And his tone when he advised the protesting farmers to do something useful. It's theater after theater. And then three billions of government money disappeared, oh. Crime and unemployment are through the roof and there is nothing he can do. But the name champagne may now only apply to sparkling wines from the Champagne region.The same thing with cognac. Well, they returned the historical blue tint on the French flag, they did a very important thingðĪĶââïļ. He set up his own playground from France and now threw out the tantrum because they didnât like him.
Please give her more airtime, I love her professional, composed and well made reports - and bonus point, she's the only colleague who can pronounce foreign words properly! Bien jouÃĐ ;)
Georgia does the French stuff while Nadja does the Slavic language stuff. Makes sense to use people who speak the languages.
Brits find it easier to hire native speakers rather than learn new pronunciation themselves ð
All of what you said, plus I am glad to see the diversity. I have no idea how most international news is presented, as I live in a very rural area of the US with mostly people in my Native tribe, but here women are co-anchors. I'm a middle aged minority and I grew up seeing nothing but white men. I still see mostly white men. Warms my heart to see the younger generation do things right when they run things.
*edit* I honestly don't think she's a diversity hire, realized my statement could be taken that way or seen as an insult. I honestly think TLDR didn't even consider this. That's why my heart is warmed. Where I live the Christian Bible is being forced taught in public schools, while teachers (like I was) are fleeing en mass because they can suffer legal consequences for stating that slavery was a racial issue/don't want to teach the Bible. Our news casters don't even mention it.
Her reporting is horrible
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I'm French, living in France, and I approve everything said in this video. Very clear, very informative, non-partisan, well-informed : Two thumbs up ðð, and Merci.
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Tu as bien raison
There is an important omission about the immigration law. It was censored by the Constitutional Council and its harsher articles were removed. Morever, this law was harsher because LR refused to vote the initial law and Macron didn't wanted to use yet another 49.3.
He also knew that most of what was added by the LR dominated senate would be stripped off by the constituional council, and that's exactly what happened.
Macron never really intended to make a harsh immigration law, and taking action on this issue isn't going after the RN votes which he would never get anyway, it's just listening to an opinion that is majority among French people.
Are you a leftist, a rightist or a macron supporter?
@@guillaumeroussel8633 You know, it's made for people who are not awarded of all the subtilities of French politics. So, they apply the KISS principle : "Keep it simple stupid !" ð
Arrogant? The dude dubs himself 'Jupiter'...
Both arrogant and ignorant to the extreme
Megalomania?
Really??
The press called him that not him but he is still arrogant enough to deserve it.
@@ctrlzed5132 Darn, you saw right through my exaggeration for dramatic purposes! ;-)
I'm not French, so my opinion:
a) matters much less (ie, I can't very much influence today's elections' outcomes) and
b) is to be taken very a big grain of salt (I'm an avid reader of "Le canard enchaÃŪnÃĐ", which is rarely kind to the president; so my opinion is biased).
Still, the man sees France like a plucky "start-up" nation and fancies himself a savvy CEO but behaves more like a dictator. He has quite a few issues to work on on a personal level. Anyway, that's what the French are stuck with for the foreseeable future and I wish them well; yet, I'd be lying if were to say seeing him lose his big gamble wouldn't put a ginormous grin on my face :-D
Article 49.3, in a democracy that goes through the trouble of having two rounds to assure proportional representation, is just ðĪŊ
Itâs like the Notwithstanding clause in Canada that just allows the federal or provincial government to ignore certain sections in the constitution like fundamental freedoms( freedom of religion, peaceful assembly, thought,etc), legal rights(not to be arbitrarily detained,etc) and equality rights( no discrimination). Thankfully it doesnât apply to democratic rights but still
The French electoral system is not proportional, and using the article 49.3 is democratic, constitutional and legal
The "idea" of the 49.3 is to let the prime minister pass important votes if the Parliament is stalling too much or too fractured. It's a pretty controversial tool, but it comes with several caveats. The main one is that a 49.3 automatically triggers a vote of no confidence against the prime minister.
If the government wins, the law passes. If they lose, the law is scrapped and the prime minister is fired, together with *the whole government*. The president has to choose a new prime minister, who must be approved by the parliament, and who will build a new government.
Also, it's the *prime minister*, not the president that calls for a 49.3. During Macron's government, this difference was moot because he had enough votes to choose a prime minister aligned with him.
During a co-habitation, when the parliament and the president are not aligned (and which will probably be the scenario for the next two years), the president cannot force a law with this tool.
ââ@@TheRodcoIt isn't proportional in the official sense but unlike most FPTP-systems it applies a two-round system which in turn makes the result more proportional than say the british parliamentary election.
And of course it is legal and constitutional, it is in the constitution. But that doesn't make something right in and of itself. It could be argued to be democratic, also necessary as a last resort. But it is inherently an article which allows the president to bypass a democratically elected assembly, it is necessary for executive efficiency but at the expense of "the peoples will" and the representation of it in the government in the form of the parliament.
Both efficiency and representation matter in a democracy although it being used so frequently certainly isn't to be preferred.
So ... I wrote a longer comment, but youtube decided to send it to the void ...
Long story short, the 49.3 is controversial, but it has a big caveat: the law doesn't pass automatically, the 49.3 forces a vote of no confidence against the prime minister. If they lose it, the law is scrapped, as well as the whole government. The president then has to build a new one. Also, it's the prime minister that calls for a 49.3, not the president. If both are aligned (which was the case during most of Macron's government), this point is moot. But, if they're not, a president cannot use it to force a law.
Macron...arrogant? Shocking. Where is the taxing of the rich?
Taxing of the rich? He worked for the RothschildðĪĢI don't think he'd ever tax his owners.
There has been nothing centrist about Macron's policy...
What are you talking about? Their centrists because everyone to the right of him thinks he's left and everyone left of him thinks he's right wing... that's what centrism is. If you don't think he's center you're a super extremist.
Correct, it was always leftist.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth The fact that the leftists are saying he was always rightist, seems to contradict that. If anything that shows that Macron himself is fairly centrist going by the left and right wing's reactions to him.
â@@Kalimdor199Menegroththat depends only on who you ask
â@@mathias9542He got his start in the french socialist party, that should tell you everything.
I'm not French so maybe there's something I don't know, but generally from what I've seen Macron's decline is due to actions under his administration, not the decline of centrism as an ideology, I predict Macron's party will have a period of losses but if a new popular face that sticks to centrism is introduced they might come back in the distant future.
I'm French and I'm 100% with this position. The big centrist platform built by Macron won't disband nor become a minor force. They already have a very decent new leader with Edouard Philippes (former PM) and neither the Left, the Old Right or the Populist Right have what it takes to occupy its electoral ground. France will remain a three-party system for at least some years.
yeah no shit, the actions under his administration were centrist actions. uninspiring, terrible for the working class, great for the rich.
Simple he has no respect of the democraty, no interrest at all in defending french people and France interests, he spend his time lying, him and many of his ministers are pure traitors, plus he is disrespectul as hell.
@@merlinbreaud7379 Why are you answering a comment stealing porn link Bot?
It's stolen words pasted from another commenter on the same video. Scroll up and see the OG comment if you don't believe me. Even her picture looks AI generated.
@@merlinbreaud7379everything will be defined by how good the next government will do, if the party of Marine Le pen and the the bourgeois right do well in the next 2 years ( assuming they win tomorrow ) then it could break up Macronâs central axis for the next presidential election in 2027 , but I doubt it
I can image a form of centrism which pragmatically combines the most popular and successful ideas from the left and right. Currently, most mainstream centrist parties seem to combine the worst of both, to the benefit of the small elite who fund them. Like privatizing gains and socializing losses.
thatÂīs what normally happens in capitalism as we know it. One big reason why we had better social policies in the 60s and 70s was because the Western governments were terrified of the USSR.
â@@Minimmalmythicistit's because we didn't have an aging population with fewer and fewer youth, so the governments of Europe have decided more immigrants will be the solution.
@@user-tz9wk2rj2d I mean we had migration in the cold war period too.
@@Minimmalmythicist not to the large amounts that we have now.
@@user-tz9wk2rj2d well, the striking thing is how similar the debate was, Enoch Powell was very popular in the late 60s and 70s
Centrism can be effective when you build a social concensus, are effective and have your own principles.
It's not about being a vacuum of values, it's about being a moderate in the means or at least dialogue while having very clear how you want your country to look.
Macron didn't have commitment to a national vision for France, he was the response to the national visions of those perceived as more radical than himself.
Hence, he couldn't ever have had that much momentum, especially if his competent centrism didn't actually deliver on the competence part.
Well said
Sadly, these days "centrists" are more often than not useful idiots for the right who can't identify when one side of the isle has completely lost the plot, rather than actually meaningfully moderate.
"centrism" on that case being just neoliberalism with traditional conservative and liberal policies, there ain't a single "centrist" policy made on that goverment, whatever would that mean
Centrism by its very definition isnât competent. They never get anything done, uphold the establishment and drive the working class into fascists arms. Neo-liberal policies always lack any real benefit for the average people, and this allowed the right wing to peel off voters with social issues.
Macron istcentrist he is left
The problem isn't raising the pension age but setting a higher one for all job sectors. Bureaucrats and office workers can work longer but hard physical labour cannot.
They can because they start later than in the past
White collar jobs are strongly associated with chronic stress and burnout which also lead to poor quality of life. Blue collar is indeed physically demanding (improved a lot with modern technology, if employers follow the safety standards ofc), but it doesn't usually require any decision making, time management or much interaction with corny customers, partners or even public institutions. Mentally consuming stuff which can also affect individuals physically in the longterm run (headaches, insomnia, disorders etc). Also, blue collar is strictly restricted at the workplace, unlike white collar employees who usually have to do a lot of preparation, research, work on projects close to their deadline etc at home.
The problem was doing it for no real reason, he made economist made a study on the future of how well the today's (perfectly fonctioning) service would work in many years, but forced them not to consider the real situation of France under his mandate. The economists published a model where after his mandate the situation "crashed" to return to reality, and this "crash" would have potentially stop pensions from functioning after a few years in the worst cases...
It was obviously a right economical policy with objective to increase labor supply and diminish salaries, that no one in the electorate actually want...
@@user-rg9he8vq3u Raising the pension age not only HAS real reasons, it is practically unavoidable and not only in France but everywhere. Life expectancy is rising continually and the demographic structure makes paying for pensions even more difficult. You need immigration to pay for that but this increases house prices and rents - along with all the problems scared right-wingers will create including voting for openly authoritarian parties.
Other EU countries have had significantly higher pension ages for decades. If safety procedures are met, physically demanding jobs do not decrease lifespan or ability to work. Labour safety standards are the solution to this issue.
Brilliant ad for new jobs with Sunak though...subtleðĪĢBut yeah, Rishi is going down very soon...
TBH the British election is a much more local affair with little consequence outside the UK. But the French election will have some impact on 450 million EUropeans, Ukraine, and the Eurozone, among others. In that sense, it's significantly more important than the British election.
I wonder if the seemingly inevitable landslide which is set to happen between both rounds may energize the French left of center electorate though ...
I literally just realized the California thing also referred to Sunak
Centrist? Really? Stop
Ba oui, ni à un extrÊme ni à un autre.
Yep my point the left media wants Macron to win so the label him as centrist so some center right voters whould fall for the trick
Yes, he is. But "centrist" is relative and means completely different things in different places. A centrist in China or Iran is not the same as a centrist in France.
@@Dunendil He is a corporate shill and elitist. left or right doesn't even come into the equation much
Heâs always represented the status quo. Why would anyone wanting change vote for him?
The pension system bankrupting the state was the status quo. He tried doing something about that and there was a revolt.
I have to retire at 67 in the Netherlands. The French revolt for retiring at 62. Sure, you do you.
But thanks to the Euro I'm now also liable for french debt. Interest rates will be kept low to save France and a side effect is me getting absolutely fucked trying to enter the housing market.
The pension system was doing fine, so said many studies. Even going into excedents. Macron just wanted to make the country and the rich richer and the poor poorer and dead right after retirement.
Never saw him representing the status quo. He's one of the most vocal voices on the European stage for change, wanting to reform the EU. And he tackled long overdue issues like the pension reform that are naturally unpopular but for the greater benefit of the country.
@@Jajalaatmaar Small correction as a Frenchman: the legal age to start retiring is 64 but to get a full pension it's 67.
Front Populaire proposes 60/64 and RN 62/66
Well still better than the left, but surely they'll think the same with the right. If there was a centrist or even kind of leftist party against immigration it would win everywhere.
The problem with modern politics is that everyone is fixated on the left vs the right while ignoring the other part of the political spectrum, authoritarianism vs liberalism. Yes Macron is a centrist. But he's also *extremely* authoritarian. Which is what people actually hate about him, not his centrist policies.
Bang on as you won't see the left and the right coming together to get rid of him. The MSN should know this
All reformist politicians are. You have to break some eggs to make an omelette, as Saxons say.
Actually, no, in France, people do hate the centre, the dominant policy trends that have been in place for the last thirty years. You're welcome to look up polling data on what people think of immigration, the pensions reform, etc.
I think what would be very interesting would be to show analysis like this for other countries in EU. For example Iâd love to know whatâs going on in Greece, Portugal, Estonia, CyprusâĶ France and Germany might be the most populous countries but this channel is called EU so it would be good âĪ
The linear representation of politic (left - center - right) is limited. There are multiple centers in politic and Macron's centrism is often called far-center or extreme center.
I do like the way TLDR summarises news stories. I just wish they made a better effort to be impartial. They always come in with right=bad, left=good. No nuance.
Vive la France ðŦð·
Glory to the sixth Republic
Macron is arrogant and possibly narcissistic. He is however the best President France has had sincr at least Valery d' Estaing. He has made many tough reforms which have been necessary forever.
HeÂīs completely hopeless, he may go down as FranceÂīs version of Paul Von Hindenburg or Franz Von Papen (the German president and chancellor who thought doing a deal with Hitler was a good idea).
Arrogant? Isn't he french?
"Even if they are not really his fault." It is nice to hear such claims without any backup. Makes you seem quite professional.
Nobody likes the extreme center!
the extreme fascist right "wing"
globalism?
Everyone does after a few years with far right or left.
After years of lunatics from the far left or the far right, you will wish for those boring centrists
_"People are fed up with Neoliberalism. I know what we need! _*_MORE_*_ Neoliberalism!"_
Macron isnât really that liberal tbh
â@comicbutserious263 his economic stance is undeniably neoliberalism
@@comicbutserious263 Do some online research. Neo-liberalism is economically the opposite of liberalism.
â@@ElBandito "Do some online research" while pushing American restricted understanding of economical ideologies...
@@ElBandito Neo-liberalism is opposite of american liberalism
Because France is reverting to its natural state ð
This is very accurate, from a person living in France. Keep on with the good work, and merci beaucoup!
He's not really a centrist, he's a neoliberal. If you want an American comparison, it's George W. Bush. Now, I actually don't mind neoliberalism, I grew up with the ideology. But it has some real blind spots when it comes to culture and immigration.
More like Reagan
What? Clinton is a neoliberal, George W is a neocon. Macron would definitely be left of center than George W on cultural issues. George W is Methodist, while Macron is not religious or identifies as suchâĶunless he is Christian, as I could be wrong if thereâs something I donât know.
@@stormy_waters I don't think there's all that much different between neocons and neoliberals.
Definitely more bill Clinton or tony Blair rather than George W. Bush...
â@@michaelwellen2866Both are pro war, pro immigration and are controlled by central bankers.
Macron needs to stop pushing the soft centre policies and go for the hardline far centre vote.
yes, to the left he should go. steal that 29% vote from NFP.
No such thing as far center. In fact, given that what is currently labeled as 'far right' was just center-right 15 years ago then I doubt there is such thing as 'center' either unless it is just a mix of left and right politices.
@@Hardcore_Remixer I disagree. Someone came up with the phrase âextreme centre of British politicsâ and France is just like Britain. I think that âfar centreâ is just recasting âextreme centreâ and extreme centre rings true. The political centre has given us: biggest war crime of the century (Iraq 2003); biggest war crime of 2010s (Libya 2011); and absolute support for biggest war crime of 2020s (genocide in Gaza). War crimes and genocide exemplify extremism. The centre is extremist.
@@minsapint8007 Because 'the center' is just a combination of left and right. I guess that by extreme center you mean extreme left and extreme right wing policies. Being economically right wing and socially left wing doesn't make you center on their economical or social terms.
I haven't got to see Netanyahu's policies, but given that he wants to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza then I can tell he is socially (and geopolitically) right wing and not center by all means.
You can also have a look at China. Communist political system with capitalist economy. Does this make them center?
Even the 2D one is an extreme summarization of the reality and misses some details, but the 1D political spectrum is simply misleading.
However, Macron's only right wing policy I have seen is the raising of the retirement age.
â ââ @@Hardcore_Remixer Iâm not sure that expanding the leeway for police conduct could be described as a left or center policy. But then again, thereâs nothing that necessarily conflicts with a police state anywhere on the simple left right spectrum.
Macron is not president he is Egoist. Time to say goodbye macaron!
We were in an apartment with a gas leak, and Macron struck a match to see more clearly.
I was hearing a couple days ago Macron called the election to dare them to actually govern. Iâm guessing that wasnât the case?
He may be genuinely deluded enough to think people still like him. The thing is the front republicain has collapsed too, so he wonÂīt necessarily get second votes against the FN, and many frontistes would refuse to vote against him against the Front Populair, thinking heÂīs as bad as them.
I think itÂīs a crying shame and if Le Pen does become president, people will hopefully see what a mistake not carrying on with the Front Republcain was. As bad as Macron is, heÂīs not anywhere near as terrible as Marine Le Pen.
Thanks for the information. I'm French, and this is very informative, especially as a summary of the news and what could have caused them.
MACRON GET OUT
He's not a centrist, and he's overstayed his welcome.
I like how the first riot footage is from Rennes where I live !
My condolences
@@BirdEgg123 people need to fight back
â@@failedrockstaragainst ixlamist extremism
@@failedrockstar my condolences that you live in France thoughts & prayers ð
nothing says justice like random property damage
It is not "Ukraine's impact", it is "the consequences of the Russian war on Ukraine". RHETORIC MATTERS!
Agreed, pretty slack after 2 years.
Green man obsession back fired!#!#!#!!!
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People talking about centrism in the comments ð Centrism DOES exist! There is not only black and white! Some people have more right views on certain topics and more left on others
He's all talk no do.
What is centrism anyways and who gets to define what is normal?
Centrism is just the rational way forward
its just the ugly uniparty status quo that everyone thinks is common sense but does more harm than goof while preventing real change
its status quo neoliberalism for western republics
And what is âfar rightâ? Oh yeah, a tactic by media to delegitimize them. Canât be far right when itâs a majority.
in france it is the constitutional council. It is made of smart people who know what they're talking about. And they said Marine party is far right, now the french are dumb enough to pick her and will find out.
Turns out people dont want the status quo when life currently sucks.
Life has never sucked less in the history of mankind.
â@@jeromegouvernel85522005
@@jeromegouvernel8552 That's pretty much true other than like the last 30-50 years in western countries. Not being able to afford a house and family and becoming an ethnic minority in you own city in a few decades really has people scared.
How is this budget news channel on youtube better than CNN and BBC
"We protest your right wing policies!"
"Hey, let's elect a far right party!"
Genius! *slaps head*
Maybe, just maybe, you're a r3t4rd who has no idea what policies are in question and what the respective stances of the parties in question are on them?
The far right when it comes to economics is not really right leaning, they have more like left policies in their agenda but just for pure french citizens, excluding the rest. Never understood what we put them on the right except for their xenophobia
Quite the half-assed job this time, completely overlooking one of the simplest reasons why Macron was hated in the first place: The man itself. He's selfish, arrogant, shows no restraint when he insults a large part of french population and lavishly rains money on the already rich people and business. All of this while surrounding himself with traitors from both the left and right wing, business people with no experience and no morality, and finally, his past job and behavior during Hollande's era.
It didn't take long for people, especially the rural world to hate him: he doesn't care about France nor the french. Only about himself, his friends and business. This channel totally failed to notice it.
Ifn his goose is cooked, Macron called it on himself.
Looks like his arrogance is coasting him
The problem with centrism is it stands for nothing and everything all at the same time
Centrism is dying a death as it has no principles of it's own only what it borrows from time to time from the two poles
No principles no guiding compass .. after while people see through this
I disagree completely.
"The two poles", as you say, are filled with dogmatic thinkers, whereas the center is the home of pragmatic thinkers.
People do not "see through this". The problem is that many people are too dumb to understand nuanced, pragmatic solutions and they love the sound of on-the-nose, dogmatic solutions, although those latter solutions do not actually work.
@@AdelaeR Centrism has no basis other than what it borrows elsewhere
Perfectly legitimate to say centrism can and does take ideas and implement them in a less full way. It certainly contains a mix of both.
So in essence its the compromise position. Over time all compromises tend to failure .. birth rate case in point, a mix of compromise positions has led to a global baby shortage.
Ultimately it has no basis in and of itself it's a cuckoo philosophy
PS like a lot of centrists you reach for personal insults and attack .. calling people dumb is basically you admitting you have no actual position to defend
So you resort to insults, have a good day
â@@AdelaeRcentrists are not as pragmatic as you think. They simply view themselves as such bc they defer to the status quo of the system of power they find themselves in. This isnt pragmatic this is an ideological commitment. The idea that the status quo is the best.
â@@AdelaeRI love also that you demonstrate one of the massive flaws of centrists in their ability to attract support. You're smug. You think you've come to your position bc you're the smartest, most morally correct person capable of seeing things "rationally" or "realistically" and if anyone disagrees it's not bc there is merit in the criticism of your ideology or program, ones that should be taken in to account to improve your program and attract more people. No it's the people's fault for not being as smart and moral as you.
Foolish.
Being centrist neutral IS an ideology itself. Taking a bit of the left and a bit of the right, and fitting them to the need of oneâs country. That is exactly what we need in 2024, transformative, flexible politics, not conservative hardliners of the left or right
Because centrism is utterly meaningless and completely relative to what is to the left and right of it. In this case what macron meant by centrist was the status quo, and nobody wanted that.
Saying he is status quo is quite a overgeneralation. His pension reforms were the farest things from status quo.
Didn't Macron break the status quo himself? Look where the traditional French parties are now.
@@catlover12045 true, and honestly that's the one policy of his I actually do support and pensions are honestly the one area the RN concerns me. But overall I think it's clear Macrons policies are just the same as the policies of all the elites and mainstream 'centrist' parties of Europe, and that's why I think he is still a status quo politician, even if he does break with it occasionally.
@@soundscape26 Breaking the status quo by acting exactly like liberal, centrist and centre-left parties all over Europe?
@@JamesL42 Many argue he's center-right... which makes sense given his economic policies.
Either way, it was him who broke the center right/center left duopoly in France.
He should've stayed centrist or even center-left to preserve his voters. The NR would've risen regardless of his actions.
He couldnt because France economic situation is a disaster. They need to change their economic model completely and reduce worker rights to remain competitive. Only extreme right policies and achieve it with strong police task force to contain stuff like gilet jaune.
Instead of pushing through leguslation without parliamentary approval, he should have tried to forge issue related alliances and find compromises. Maybe then public unrest wouldn't have been as bad as it was and partially still is.
Why did it fail? Since when the French were politically moderate in history? Lol
scince the 70's. 50 years of softs clowns. now we have the possibility to see a far left vs far right in the next election! things back to normal at long last.
keep ignoring growing income inequality and you get fascism
Thatâs sounds great. Iâll take anything over what we have currently.
@@deadlyoneable cool and normal response
Il serait intÃĐressant de connaÃŪtre le parcours de cette prÃĐsentatrice, car son français est excellent.
The rost she gives to Sunak at the end have become an icon
If you stay in the middle of the road, you get run over.
He's been in power for 7 years, getting elected twice in a row. That's far from "getting run over".
As opposed to the two cars driving towards a head on collision?
are you suggesting that there is a lot of traffic between left and right? x)
Not necessarily - some of the world's greatest leaders were centrists and moderates like Ataturk, Pilsudski, FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, etc
@@fyodordmitrenko622 Ataturk was a consummate nationalist, Churchill was an unapologetic Imperialist, De Gaulle was an authoritarian asshole that proceeded to use the Vichy French and nazi structures to his advantage after the war, Pilsudski was in all honesty mostly weird brand of nationalist (that became an authoritarian asshole later, which was a real shame) and I'd hardly call FDR a centrist considering all the shit he pulled.
"Unless I win, there will be war!" Wow. What an egomaniac!
Remember when Trump said that âthere will be a massacreâ when he lost? The whole media, even here in Europe, was up in arms about the threat. But he said it between two arguments about why Democrats would âmassacreâ American industry. Imagine if the media treated Macronâs words the same way.
fr, he scared my grandparents from voting for the party they wanted to vote.
I have a feeling that a French civil war should be one with the right and the left united against Macron, but I guess the centre establishment has managed to put the right and the left against each other despite common ground between the RN and the NFP. While establishment politics may cause the biggest harm to a nation, it manage to portray its "radical" opponents as the "true" enemies of national stability.
The opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in Paris will be very telling. I'm sure it will ultra PC.
"Sacre bleu, its gone blue" is genius.
Has france ever been stable and non-polarized.
Just a question.
Perhaps reading a history book would answer your question
Centrism is a non position and trying to care about everyone, effectively makes you care about no one specifically.
And there is no centrism because what's being called Centrist is actually left wing and pretty far left too.
The reality is that people enjoy to complain and blame whoever politician is in power, especially if they really try to do stuff, as Macron actually did. Otherwise you can do like Giorgia Meloni that in 2 years literally did nothing. Itâs easy to stay in opposition and gain votes, you just need to say that everything is bad, without being held accountable for your proposals. Macron actually managed to stay in charge for full 7 years and he can still oversee the situation for 3 years as President in case the RN wins. I wouldnât call that a failure. After 7 years people will be tired anyway and look for the next person who promises what they want to hear. I think history will judge him much more positively than his current polls
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Macron is a representative of what Pierre Serna, a historian of the Revolution and the First Empire, has called "the extreme/radical center". It's not just centrism, it's a certain brand of centrism that pretends to be above all parties and is completely intolerant to any ideology outside of it, calling it extremist and dangerous for democracy/liberty/whatever term the regime describes itself as, which is in itself an ideological position, just one defending the status quo.
Ever since 2017, he came in claiming he would fight populism "on both sides" (as if there's an equivalence between the far right and what he calls the far left), but has instead lead policies that have increased wealth inequalities, made the budget worse due to refusing to raise taxes on the wealthy, has shown himself to be increasingly authoritarian in repressing protests and passing legislation, and has alternated with appealing to center-left voters to present himself as a dam against the far right and normalizing it by taking up some of its talking points and policy proposals, as well as demonizing the left by calling any program even slightly social democratic (like the New Popular Front's or even La France insoumise's) "far left", which isn't the case according to most political scientist, historians and the Conseil d'Ãtat, which serves both as one of the two highest courts in France and as an advisory body for the government to write legislative bills (not exactly a den of leftists).
He's basically building the far right (and the National Rally is indeed classified as such by those dag-nasty political scientists, historians and jurists) a golden bridge to power, whether he's conscious of it or not. His goal has always been to divide the left, by absorbing the center-left and demonizing and marginalizing the more "radical" side (even if again, there's nothing very radical about LFI's platform), and set up the match between him and Le Pen, content to let the RN become the biggest party in the meantime. The problem is that he's taken what used to be a common agreement among all republican (small-r) parties, not letting the far right get into power, and turned it into a cynical electoral tool. And people are now sufficiently done with him, and the far-right has taken enough root, that he's actually at risk of losing power.
So after he got trounced in the European elections, he decided to say "f*** it, better have them be in government now until 2027 and let them wear themselves out so my successor can win the presidency then". Which, aside from being reviling political cynicism, is so colossally stupid because we've seen in the past few years that when right-wing populists get into power in liberal democracies, they don't hand back the reins willingly.
Hmmmm I like your explanation!
Sacre bleu who wouldâve guessed fence riding isnât a winning strategy
Then how did he win before?
Judge by policy, not by some label like "centrist" or whatever. Macron has been implementing integrationist policies favored by RN, is that fence riding now? When the RN promises to renationalize the highways is that not a left-wing policy? When the NFP promises to cancel the accord with Mercosur and CETA with Canada for the supposed benefit of the peasants is that not a right-wing policy?
Guy got elected twice he literally canât run again. Also moderation is hardly a bad thing.
ââ@soundscape26 "I'm not Marine Le Pen" that's how he won. But the French didn't necessarily agree with his politics, but had enough trust to block the far right from entering. Hence, they call it the "barrage" - to blocking the far right. But lost the parliamentary elections in 2022 and will this time again in 2024 by that same party.
The thing about fences is that itâs a wallâĶ and the question always become whatâs the wall build to stop?
This does sound like he did a really good long term job by structural reforms. But sold it badly.
Polarization of the society, if you doing thing that are not aligned with you opinion, you became the worst leader.
Centrists exist primarily to further the interests of business. Business doesn't like being taxed to contribute to the society it relies on, nor does it like the threat of dictatorial government controlling what it does. So it likes policies that steer in-between the extremes, in the centre. Which is often less bad for ordinary people than the extremes can be. But business also likes having all of the money. So centrist governments also have a tendency to alter the system so that more and more money flows out of the hands of the public and into the hands of the business owning elites, which is bad for everyone. To start with this is fine, you get economic stability, businesses create wealth which employs people so most people feel better off, and the enrichment of the rich only happens in small steps that aren't really felt. But the longer it goes on for the more those little enrichments add on top of each other. Until you end up with a society where the public is getting noticeably poorer but most people dont understand why, and the only solutions the centrists have is the same ones they've been doing this whole time. So people start seeing through them. Then people start turning back to the extremes. The right tells people that they are poor because of immigrants or black people or the gays or because the jews or whatever. The left tells people they are poor because the rich have taken all their money, but their solutions to getting that money back aren't always well thought out. But ultimately, centrists can't remain in power forever, because the incentives they exist under are toxic to society. You can only impoverish the public for soo long before theres either a swing towards redistribution to solve the problem or towards dictatorship to keep the public from complaining about being poor
Shocking. Centrist liberal with no interest in politics and views the electorate as an impediment to technocracy, while tacking right on social issues at every opportunity bar one fails to gain consent for governance long term. Truly shocking. Thereâs no way you could predict this. And leading the centre in this rightward direction has never ever before produced a rightwards shift in the electorate thereafter either, itâd sooooo unpreceddented. I just canât imagine why a liberal who campaigns for nothing, thereby generating consent for their programme, who simply follows the polls on what to discuss lost control of the narrative, itâs just in comprehensible why a person who refuses to campaign for a position ends up talking about things on ground he is uncomfortable in, if only there was a class of people who had the power and ability to shape the national discussion.
The only french person I know is a die hard macron supporter, I feel like somehow I was Lucky to encounter a rare breed
Centrism is not a solution to modern day problems. All Centrism acheives is maintaining the status quo. Whether we are on the left or the right we can all agree the status quo needs to go. We need modern solutions to modern problems. While I am not extermist, fence sitting acheives nothing, and is what has, in part, led to polarisation of the electorate.
Don't think Macron is a centrist at all.
If leftist say he is too right-wing and rightist that he is left-wing.... He is centrist.
He's more "Right" to "Center Right" than completely Centrist.
â@@pershing3346Name ONE right wing policy of Macron
â@@mrjaggerelvispaprica9938 the retirement policy
â@@mrjaggerelvispaprica9938 the various tax and pension reforms??? What did you think all the protests and strikes in France were about? It was against Macron's rightist policies.
Starmer is going to do the same mistske if he pivot to fast in preserving the status quo. And Britain would lose
Hopefully Blair and Brown will advise him not to do this. But the pudding is IF Starmer takes notice.
Because the French are mad
I like Macron but don't agree with him on certain issues
People will only learn when the country's Social Security system collapses. Go ahead, French people!
To be fair to Macron, *all* French presidents are unpopular - this is country whose founding myth is the French revolution, whose national identity is built on suspicion of those in power.
Macron actually did okay to win a second term, something neither Sarkozy nor Hollande before him managed. And before that, Mitterand and Chirac had to experience periods of cohabitation, just like Macron is going to have to do now. So from a historical perspective he's only averagely unpopular for a French president, maybe even a little bit better than average.
Macron is only a centrist by name. His policies, both economical and social have all been closer to the right than anything else. I struggle to recall anything he's done that could be considered left leaning to counteract this.
Moreover it's his repeated use of 49.3 and general disregard for the people's will in favor of helping big business, as well as tough rÃĐpression on any form of contestation that led him to become so unpopular.
I love how only the right wing parties are being called extremist and FAR. Why is there only far-right and no far-left. This is absolutely pathetic.
You could remove the term "centrism" from the caption ð
Electorate: Wants change
Moderate or Centrist: Promises change whilst only wanted to preserve the status quo
Electorate: Vote for Centrist or Moderate
Centrist: Doesnât do what they campaigned on, but does exactly what a status quo politician does
Electorate: Is angry, and demands change
Centrist: Vilifies actual politicians with good plans and policies and decides, whilst deciding the far right is OK enough to deal with
Far Right: Promises change whilst wanting to push regressive policies and also backstabs centrist
Centrist: Is upset at betrayal, despite history saying this is exactly what happens when siding with the Far Right, and urges electorate to vote for Moderate or Centrist candidates, whilst not doing anything to help their people, and instead enacting the regressive policies the Far Right want, in order to appeal to the Far Rightâs voter base
Electorate: Hate Centrist. Centrist approval ratings in the gutter, and Far Right appeasement doesnât work
Centrist: Continues vilifying progressive and leftist candidates, who want them to do better and push for change that helps the people
Electorate: Vote for Far Right in next election, even when Left tries to warn Centrist, this is bad
Country: Takes a massive shift to the right and regressive policies are being implemented, started by the centrist, even when this is against what the centrist wanted
Centrist: Surprised Pikachu Face
His "Centrism" is like a lot of peoples "Centrism", ends up being much more right-wing than advertised.
Nope he is leftwing not rightwing
@@alexlehrersh9951 Economically, all of his major policies were really far right (reducing taxes on the rich, pushing the age of retirement, privatazing...), and he made them pass even though there was massive strikes through undemocratic processes.
You call this leftwing ?
@@alexlehrersh9951 Since when is neoliberalism left wing?
Ah yes the old "anyone to the right of me is a Nazi". And you wonder why more people are leaning right.
Centrism that's a joke right ,,its left of left like Europe has been forced to be for the past 40 years .Times are a changing
Although the whole immigration law episode was indeed an ideological win for the national rally, the harder law didn't come from his party but from the more right leaning republicans that still have a majority in the senate (despite representing around 5% of the votes in latest national elections) and amended the original version of the government. Nonetheless, all hard measures included within this version were declared unconstitutional by the constitutional court after Macron asked them to examÃnate It, and we ended up with an immigration law that is very similar to the one his government first proposed.
It was a short term victory for his party, but I think this whole process ended up nourishing the anti establishment feeling against his party and institutions like the constitutional court that was seen by many as more of a political than a judicial institution, acting ideologically (many of its member being former left wing politicians with no background in Law). With that plus the fact that according to polls, the french public was overwhelmingly backing the harder version of the law, I don't think we can say it was a good move for Macron's popularity.
I think the problem is that politicians havenÂīt been honest about immigration, right wing politicians have used it as an easy source for votes, but no French president has ever explained the complexities and the nuances of the issue. Instead theyÂīve just tried to ape the FN to stop people voting for them, and it worked for a couple of elections, but not any more.
Politicians need to be honest about the issue and say "fine we can have less migration, we can be much more draconian, but it will cost money and mean we canÂīt have retirement at 64 years anymore".
Every policy stance has consequences and there needs to be a lot more honesty about that.
Overall I think France is just a nearly unreformable mess as a state with too much hard left/hard-right wing ideological fervor. Pretty much every French President in the past 30-40 years has polled miserably after their first 4-5 years in office and become extremely unpopular. There's room for both big government social democracy and neoliberal policy aimed at trade & market liberalization (Scandinavian countries, Germany and the Netherlands all prove as much), but France's democracy seems seem more systemically dysfunctional and incapable of moving past that dysfunction. Rather the dysfunction just evolves and each French President ends their tenure extremely unpopular, not able to achieve most of the ambitious reforms they ran on when they were first elected etc.
@@Godzilla52 lol no france and the eu is ruined by this baseless desire to neuter its wings and remain arrogantly centrist beyond the wishes of the people
shoutout to all my French brothers and sisters. Patriots standing up against tyranny ðŠ Imagine being that heavy handed against your own citizens
Imagine not being that heavy-handed against French.
Macron turning into Macaroni
All his reforms are quite sensible and courageous.
5:35 isn't that graph supposed to be employment rate/labor participation rate rather then UN-employment? French Youth Unemployment is ~17% or so, give or take, no?
I think something needs to be understood about current French politics : Macron's party is not centrist.
You often hear about French politics that there's the far left, the centrists and the far right nowadays.
It needs to be said : This is a failure on the part of the media, the truth is the "far left" has been officially designated as left by a statute of the state council, that at the same time confirmed that the Rassemblement National is indeed far right.
While it is easy to check that the left of today does not in fact support a far left agenda, we also have to look at the way the parties have voted and in that regard it becomes obvious that the "centrist" party of Macron is just as far right as the R.N except on very few subjects mainly immigration.
And for those that wondered about the historic right, they rallied to the far right and vote basically as the RN does.
So in conclusion, there's the left, the right of Macron and the far right.
While politics has shifted to the right for a long time, its transition has been accelerated by the last few years under the rule of Macron, and I believe that might have a lot to do with the way we label those parties ; It is very important to review the politics and history of each parties before labelling them extremes.
And the French media has basically been bought by far right billionaires, there's that too
I find amusing how people keep calling Macron a centrist when his politics have been so consistently on the right of the political spectrum, even poaching ideas from the extreme right.
Just to say the 2:15 map is incorrect
Far right is way stronger in the north and east while left is stronger in south west and Britanny but I guess it was just to give an example
5:33 Is that graph saying youth unemployment was at times at 90% and general around 60%? Surely that can't be right, and that's actually per thousand, or something?
does the french ever like anyone ?
we only like dead leaders.
...it's kind of true since every time a former politician dies, everyone starts saying "ehhhhhhh t'was a good one", whereas everyone was shitting on the same man's face before he passes away
In politics, no ðĒ French people are ungrateful
@@xoxo5276 for two hours De Gaulle was popular,jajajaja
She explained why the left viewed him as unpopular, but not the right. Again the lack of deeply understanding why the right wing and the traditional values are becoming so popular is shamefull.
The cultural war that many countries are facing every single say is never mentioned. Those people live in a bubble.
If social issues are what drives you to such a level of uncomfortablity you become politically active on those grounds alone then centrism has done you well bc your economic position has not been threatened.
Iâm afraid people are in for a bitter surprise if you think cultural issues matter more than questions of foreign security and global economy. If war continues in Europe, or worse, if our friends lose it and our opponent gains Europeâs largest country with its resources and tens of millions of people, your culture issues wonât matter. If they gain the fourth largest grain exporting country, Europeâs largest uranium reserves for our nuclear energy, Europeâs largest fertiliser exporting country etc., what do you think this will do to food and energy prices? Also, if you care about migration, you probably should want to stop the country than purposefully created the Syrian refugee crisis, who works hard to create a new refugee crises from Africa and Middle East, and who created the largest refugee crises since the second world war. If people vote for parties due to cultural issues but these parties are friendly with our enemies, receive money from them and degrade our ability to resist themâĶ you may find you will lose your cultural war anyway but will also have to fight a real or hybrid one. One would expect better clarity for Europeâs once pre-eminent superpower. But clearly the labels on toilets are more important.
@@karelkieslich6772 I don't think you understand that people motivated by culture war do not see foreign adversaries like Russia and China as their adversaries. These folks view their own countrymen as enemies. They would much rather live in a world where Russia controls that and prices are high if it means they can call people the f slur.
Because the right wing are npcs driven by propaganda.
A lot of the far right voters don't even care about the culture war or traditional values (far right don't represent them anyway, they are neolibs). They just don't like foreigners. That's it.
Raising the retirement age was critical. The French are lazy and love socialism too much but it saves them from austerity measures. Or at least buys them more time
0:03 - 0:11 for me this sounds like a Blackmail..
Well skill issue for him
Macron isnÂīt a centrist. thatÂīs laughable, heÂīs FranceÂīs first Thatcherite president
Well presented!
I do not believe that non-populist politics has no chance anymore, but centrism will find its end.
Macron envies Putin's power.