Underwater - How to Fail at Alien | Anatomy Of A Failure
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- As if 2019's Charlie's Angels reboot wasn't already a failure enough, Kristen Stewart returns in yet another forgettable box office flop that nobody saw, Underwater. This time it's an original movie that sold back in 2015, and even though there are positive aspects about it, overall all it ends up being is yet another reason after Gemini Man for Hollywood not to make original material. The main problem here is that Underwater completely fails at being the very thing it tries so hard to be: an underwater version of Ridley Scott's Alien. Today let's see what went wrong. Here's how not to Alien.
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Underwater (2020)
An underwater research team is highly involved in a drilling operation to look for oil at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. As an earthquake destroys their laboratory in the depths of the ocean, the team must now work together Kristen Stewart Vincent Kassell TJ Miller Everything Wrong with underwater cinemasins underwater honest trailer watch underwater full movie online free underwater ending explained underwater clip hd 4k Charlie's Angels - How Gender Obsession Can Ruin a Film | Anatomy Of A Failure Men In Black International - How to Build a Toxic Hero | Anatomy Of A Failure on a plan to insure their safety Underwater ctulhu underwater monster creature cloverfield. However, the crew soon discovers that there is something dangerous in their midst. Directed by William Eubank and written by Brian Duffield and Adam Cozad.
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Charlie's Angels (2019)
Elena (Naomi Scott), a young engineer, unwittingly stumbles upon new government technology that could hold significant and dangerous ramifications for society. However, her discovery garners attention from the wrong sort of everything wrong with Charlie's Angels cinemasins honest trailer Charlie's Angels watch full movie online free 4k clip Charlie's Angels a perfect storm flop box office bomb people, so it is up to two special operatives men in black international how to build a toxic hero (Kristen Stewart and Ella Balinska) to mobilize, protecting Elena and the future of the planet in the process. Written and directed by Elizabeth Banks.
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Alien: Covenant (2017)
In this sci-fi horror film, which serves as both a sequel to 2012's Prometheus and a prequel to the larger Alien franchise, a spaceship called the Covenant is forced to make an emergency landing on a seemingly idyllic world. Unfortunately, the crew soon realize that this paradise contains a terrifying threat: the extraterrestrial predator known as the "xenomorph." Michael Fassbender, Katherine Waterston, Billy Crudup, Danny McBride, and Demián Bichir star in this film from Ridley Scott, director of the original Alien. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
*my dad and me watching this movie*
*monsters pull the guy in the water*
Me:How did the monsters get in, they closed the door?
My dad: They swam in through the plot hole
Lmao...
Legend
Sounds like my Dad 🤣
Amazing 👏🏻✨
I wish my dad was like this
I thought Eminem did a decent job in this.
ROFL
Omg 🤣🤣
Good one friend.
You my friend have achieved comment gold status 👏🏻👏🏻
Damn
imagine using cthulhu in your finale to have critics call him "the larger monster"
I know right! And the deep ones
I thought it was Dagon?
@@sirlordcapybara801 nah dagon doesnt look like that. he's more fish-ish than squid/octopus-ish
@@sirlordcapybara801 did you mean the ancient one in the movie Dagon?
the film was cool but the ritual and how dagon looked were meh
@@2st486 I haven't seen Dagon, I meant this movie. And yeah, he looks octopus-like, but his connection to the monsters in the movie reminded of the Deep Ones. Could really be either of them though.
"where some minors accidentally release a monster"
That part had me confused until I realized he said miners
That reminds me of Galaxy Quest! The argument between Alan Rickman's character and Tony Shaloub's on that planet is so funny.
@@explodingtomahawks7589 omg such an awesome line in Galaxy quest from Tony's character.
Yes, that's a problem: Neither minors nor miners had anything to do with Cthulhu awakening. There are hints that they were put there as a feeding cricket by their company, which may have known more; but all in all, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Just like victims of IRL catastrophes.
Unfortunately, even the Alien franchise has sucked at recreating Alien.
A good point, even the original creator of Alien with much more money can't recreate Alien.....
Yeah, Alien and Aliens are the only 2 movies I truly enjoy/love in the franchise. Even then, Aliens is a much different movie than Alien. So, the original still remains void of a good recreated film.
@@phisograph I think that's kinda the problem. Recreating Alien isn't a good idea because the original still holds up so well. James Cameron specifically chose NOT to recreate Alien with his sequel because it was a fruitless endeavor to try to recreate what was already so iconic, which is why he made a different film that would stand on its own.
@@windowsVD Yeah. I agree. Honestly, any recreation of Alien would always fall short, whether in acting, directing, or the sort.
That why the only good movies try to do something diffrent
Not even Ridley Scott can recreate Alien.
Negameleon fact it’s just a special movie. John carpenter knew he couldn’t replicate it so he made the sequel a action movie. This movie isn’t even a terrible movie the worst thing about it really is “oh it’s not one of the greatest films of all time”
@@jakegraham3758 *James Cameron
Slacker Denile 😂😂😂😂OMG I cant believe I did that not editing the comment tho I got love fore all my JCs
Haaah, too true! O'Bannon and Geiger were the real magic.
@@jakegraham3758 at least you admitted soldier.
I actually like the lack of drama. When you go into a life or death situation where you HAVE to rely on others, even the selfish get real friendly. It’s only once the hope of survival diminishes that people start getting crazy, and that usually takes a while believe it or not. It took a week of floating for sailors of the sunken USS Indianapolis to start throwing fists and pulling knifes on eachother and fighting over space on rafts. It took a whole month of freezing Siberian winter with no real food before people started eating eachother in that one gulag where they were sent to an island and told to build barracks with no tools.
This movie was great. It was a survival movie, had me at the edge of the seat waiting to see if the characters would survive.
It's marketing was terrible because almost no one knew it was coming out.
Exactly it was awesome especially the ending monster it was crazzzyy
Hollywood has become so predictable and made me set the bar so low that when the male leader didn't end up betraying Stewart, it made me like the movie.
Yeah. Now that I think about it, I had the same thought.
Truth
The guy holding the creature in his suit made me think it was following them for it (possible still) but nope just done away with
Or maybe the audience doesnt like original movies nowadays? All they watch is reboots, follow ups to old classics or superhero movies.
@@7Criska well the issue is that nothing released isn't what you just described. Everything outside of that is made terribly, goes way too far into high concept that it basically is just a "high" concept, or is so up its own ass with politics that it becomes preaching rather than entertainment. Which option is better?
In case anyone was interested in a critique of this video, here is one by the EFAP podcast, enjoy:
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“Five year olds aren’t scary...”
Filmento has obviously never had a 5 year old.
They literally are goblin and goblin are scary when you make them realistic
the scary part is that you can't hurt them or else you will go to jail
I have like 4 or 5 in the basement and they are not that scary tbh
@@catmandeal7779 they aren't scary if they aren't alive
you're afraid of 5 year olds? lol
Hey Filmento, at 5:30 you told us that we don't know what type of person she is, but in the movie, at the starting scene, we could see that she did not kill the spider and helped it to get out. From that, we can make conclusions about what type of person she is.
Thank you!
That's a stretch. Even psychopaths do that. The movie was straight up into the action. Its how they wanted it. Not a bad idea.
3:58 "I wanna go home and party" is the best line of dialogue in any movie ever
It's an honest one.
This movie made me think that a Space Marines movie could be possible, those suits they use looked amazing.
Just do Starship Toppers but bigger, and i mean SH 1 with stuff like the Marauders from the third movie, but only that... And of course, bigger and uglier bugs
Wait like Alien Space Marines or Warhammer 40k Space Marines I was thinking the latter.
*SPESS MEHREENS!*
@@joku212 Yeah its, pretty cool.
@@stephenrice3299 Yeah i meant 40k Space Marines.
"a 1000 five year old kids could definitely kill you"
Now, THAT's a horror movie I'd love to see...
Man, you'll love Cooties
Khalid Tareq 😁 I watched it, thanks for the tip. It comes close... but I meant "just“ kids. No zombie virus, just a bee hive full of murderous children... THAT would be a great movie. 🙂
@@Zett76 There's an older film called Who Could Kill A Child which is about an island of murderous children
Not exactly that but check out the show Channel Zero: Candle Cove
Watch the movie The Children
I actually liked this movie. It didn’t always make sense, but it was fun. I liked that it just drops the characters in the action. The big monster at the end was sick, once it’s revealed how massive it was. Not perfect, but fun nonetheless.
Same bud.
I loved it too dude
"why doing it in suits is dangerous?" Mariana trench pressure - eight tons per square inch, Mate, do you not know how to water?
Then maybe show it in the movie
@@Batlafication did you miss the guy imploding from pressure?
@@FinSane525 apparently so! Haven't see the money sine last year
@@FinSane525 😳me when I saw his chunks of his body flying around
@@Batlafication "Then maybe show it in the movie." You know there is this clever thing the human mind can do called an "Inference" if you've been to the bottom of a swimming pool you know how quickly pressure increases with the depth, or the fact that you don't see divers dancing around on the titanic wreckage. Can't imagine why that might be. This isnt a movie or direction problem this is a YOU problem.
I'm just happy I finally got to see my boy Cthulhu in a movie.
Yeaa dude me too
And then our big boy gets blown up instantly. Vanishing in a big underwater fart.
Personally, I really enjoyed this movie. I went into it with the idea that it wasn't going to be very good, and so I was pretty entertained.
Didn't do him justice imo. Felt like he was an afterthought in this movie.
@@BunkerJunker nah, he'll be back.
This movie was almost.. Too dark. Like there's a dark film and then there's me squinting in a theatre like an idiot
Thank you! I'm watching the video just thinking "it can't really look like this can it?" I could barely see anything at all.
AVP Requiem much lol
Darth Vader or Cowboys vs. Aliens... I literally thought I was going blind watching that train wreck at the cinema.
@@0vermars520 you answered before I did... good job
If your CGI is not good, you darken the shot, so the more dark the scene is, probably the less convincing is the CGI, though, I gotta admit that the Marianas trench is probably dark af
I actually really liked this one. Some parts were kinda silly but it was not terrible. I've seen a lot of monster movies and this one ranks higher than most lmao
Ye this movie was pretty decent.
EFAP podcast did a takedown of this video th-cam.com/video/BzOtK7m4aD0/w-d-xo.html
I think you mean you've seen alot of bad Monster movies. There are dozens of good ones, you just need to look past the shit, this argument could be made for any movie genre, just saying you've seen worse doesn't make a movie good
@@Mr_Monolith Damn, left people have an opinion.
@@Robootions I never said they couldn't have an opinion I stated my own. As far as monster movies go there are plenty of better ones...
Alien, The Thing, The Original Godzilla/King Kong, Jurassic Park, Jaws and The Fly JUST TO NAME A FEW.
@@Mr_Monolith Alright.
I disagree with most points you brought up... I loved that the movie starts with the plot right away, I love that the characters aren't the usual bunch of conflicting and betraying assholes but some coworkers that care about each other, I love that their personalities an histories are revealed during the movie not just stated at the beginning, I had no problem following the plot, I don't understand why the protagonist has to be the cause or epicenter of the event, the whole point about too many monsters doesn't even makes sense and I screamed in joy when fucking Cthulhu showed up. And in the end she blowed up the station to stop the monsters from catching up the escape pods, maybe you didn't get it but it's shown on the computer screen.
Is it the best movie ever? Not even close.
Is it better than Alien? Not even close.
Is it a bad movie? Absolutely not.
Thank you, well said
I think if done properly, having the movie go straight into the action is a really good idea. As we get to see what our characters are like throughout the movie, and their choices can be suprising. This movie did it pretty well imo
I agree with you in some way, the action packed start was something more fresh. The pacing in general was decent. But I also get his point, the characters didnt get established and so I personally didnt care about a single one of them. None of the deaths affected me, i didnt worry about any of the characters. I also thought the monster design was kinda lame and some stuff didnt make sense. Those things can pull a human through a suite, rip out limbs etc. But when fighting against the main character it cant even harm her before starting to eat. Might just have been lazy writing idk. Also as soon as she killed the first one and the others woke up I literally said out loud that the mother is gonna shut them down or call them. It was really predictable. Same as her sacrifice.
Lmfao I like how he jabbed at himself “who is that? ITS SIMP”
Gotta do it before everyone else does :P
💯 perfect
I laughed so hard at that
@@navonmyhand7999 #metoo
Self-burn, those are rare.
Fun fact: "Alien" was marketed as "Jaws" in space. They also had similar beats and you didn't really see the alien/shark much, and that's what made both so great. The atmosphere.
Yet Alien felt more realistic.
@@katey1dog my dad yells at me
@@shanechannel7066 Dementia?
@@katey1dog he thinks I'm a ghost
Alien, like Jaws, couldn't afford the budget to show the monster in early production. Money is the reason movies fail, because we have the money, so why not make MORE monsters?
Parker wasnt selfish he was being rational in that scene he was explaining how the nostromo was not a rescue ship and they where ill equipped and unprepared for such actions. He also was asking for equal pay with the rest of the crew for both himself and brett.
For me atleast, the element of how vast & dark ocean is, was enough to enjoy the movie. I am not at all comfortable with underwater visuals and that's what made the movie very interesting for me.
“Five-year-old kid isn’t scary” Are u sure about that?
As another will say "not at all, barely an inconvenience"
Unless it complains to its parents about you. 😱
"I'm telling mom"
@@Cinna3unnz 😨😰😱
unless 5 year olds have become resistant to getting kicked, then no, they are not scary.
I think multiple monsters could've worked extremely well if they saved the reveal for the final parts of the film. That way you still get that cool moment of the MC finally taking out the monster, only to have that fleeting moment of hopefulness crushed by the true scale of what the characters are fighting.
kind of like what they did in Alien:Isolation, Ripley jettisons the alien, only to find out it built a nest in the reactor of Sevastopol station
Kind of like metroid fusion, with its dramatic reveal at the start of the third chapter
Kind of like in Tremors where you think there’s only one graboid but after the first one is killed, 3 more show up
Sooooo... It would have been cool if what happened actually happened?
@@drago939393 if It happened.... differently
I didnt know about the movie til it was rentable online, it cost me $4 and I loved it. I even loved it despite being completely anti Kristen Stuart. I feel like it was a good throwback to some of the late 80’s early 90’s movies I grew up with.
I liked it also. I thought it was coo n the monsters were scary too me
they tried to kill the monsters for NOUGH reason
I mean why not kill them
@@gabrielguerrero7296 it's a joke from a podcast.
I hope they do an EFAP movies for it.
People tend to forget that the original audience going into "Alien" didn't know that Ripley was going to be the survivor. Weaver wasn't a big star in 1979, and there was no reason to assume the movie was going to follow her. Was there ever any question this movie was going to follow Stewart? There goes a big chunk of tension, right there. "Psycho" was as effective as it was, in part, because it threw its audience off its guard by killing the character we had been following early on. In a way, it created modern horror- but that lesson of genuine surprise has fallen by the wayside.
sterling7 yeah I remember doing a essay on the subject of the main character trobe and how we already know who will live and die in the movie before the plot is even introduced due to the whole famous Hollywood star theme a director who circumvented this was Katherine bigeloo and her deliberate refusal of big Hollywood stars to keep the tension high
sterling7 yeah I remember doing a essay on the subject of the main character trobe and how we already know who will live and die in the movie before the plot is even introduced due to the whole famous Hollywood star theme a director who circumvented this was Katherine bigeloo and her deliberate refusal of big Hollywood stars to keep the tension high
@sterling7 Good call on using Psycho as a reference; Janet Leigh, at the time, was a bit of a Hollywood sweetheart as well, so the entire plot (theft/murder) was shocking to see, let alone unexpected.
cheers
Whatever the twist, the trailer would have spoiled it anyway
Children of Men was rather good with this point - not perfect, but it kept deaths unpredictable per the recognisable actors playing them.
this movie is like the south park episode when a drilling company woke up ctuhulu just because
We're sorry
Woke
Sooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrryy..
Hehe... Huuuuh... The monster here actually is Cthulhu, said by the director himself
Hikaru Joestar Took the words right out my mouth I thought that was pretty cool that it is actually Cthulhu at the end!!!
I really liked this movie. It was tight, concise, and wasn't trying to do anything more than be a fun, little Lovecraftian horror. And I'd say it did it pretty well. Held true to Lovecraft pretty well, characters made sense and weren't more complicated than they had to be, and made smart decisions that kept them alive until forces beyond their control made them make terrible sacrifices.
FACTS the movie didn't suck
Made smart decisions?!?! They shoot a baby alien, bring it into the ship and start touching it with their bare hands. I’m not even 45 minutes into this movie and this shit does not make any sense.
exactly! I also realized it lovecraftian themed horror, and the themes really reflected true to that. The unknown and the vastness of the trenches was perfect for feeling the dread of how little we know about the world.
@@MrLilstroh They don't know if it's an alien or not. We don't know if it's an alien or not. As far as anyone is concerned, it's a creature that evolved to live off geothermal gas or something at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. They even say as much, saying that the creature was likely sealed off from the rest of the world, and only released from it's subterranean vents when the drilling came through. Second of all, I do not recall them touching it with their bare hands at all, considering they only encountered it after donning their suits, and I'm fairly sure the gloves don't come off their suits.
@@MrLilstroh it's an UNDERWATER creature. Not like it's from the planets natural order. It'd be different if it came from outside the earth's atmosphere.
I actually really like this movie. IMO it actually captured underwater horror that’s not just about sharks. And I love how they just get thrown into the action. That might be a negative for some but for me it was a pleasant surprise.
Alien: "In space, nobody can hear your scream."
Underwater: "In our movie, nobody cares."
In Underwater, nobody can hear the dialogue. Honestly, I thought the sound mix was buggered as whenever there was the slightest background noise, or when they had the helmets on, I could barely understand what was being said. It was ridiculous.
"In underwater, nobody can *see* you scream."
I couldn't see a damn thing in this movie.
The old god, Cthulhu, cried but nobody can see his tears underwater so no one cares.
Angry virgin nerd
"Oh, you watch anime? I like anime." A masterclass in character economy!
The film would have been successful if the monsters were Musume-esque waifus.
Best scene in the movie
By that short line, we already know the character in question is a demented degenerate who sleeps with waifu bodypillows and fantasizes about handholding. That small scene is truly Oscar worthy in terms of revealing a character.
@@darklord884 lol gotta agree
@Bobby Harvill Anime was a mistake.
When you talking about the Monster part, that is EXACTLY what my problem was with A Quiet Place. They said in the movie the creatures are strong, can't be killed, destroyed half of the planet etc... BUT at the end, a single shot can kill them... I mean, really ? Nothing special just shoot in the mouth ? Ofcourse the military couldn't figure that out by themselfs.
Yeah, that would be the FIRST thing they'd figure out. That the face covering is like a shield and what is needed to get past that. I also never bought the part about it being so thick that they were protected from heavy gunfire and explosions. It's just not plausible. I kind of enjoyed that movie for the isolated family being in danger thing, but as aliens taking over the planet? Not even a little.
At least with Tomorrow War the only reasons the aliens could dominate is their sheer numbers. You could injure or kill them but what does it matter when you kill 1 and then are swarmed by hundreds?
To me, Life is a good example of how to make a good survival-alien film
It's been years and the ending to "Life" STILL haunts me.
Except for when the alien bumps into the steel door while a cartoon sound plays - that scene was hilarious
@@WobblesandBean yeah the endings great
@@songbird7450 no it was the door close sound, a squid doesn’t make sound when hitting. Common misinterpretation
Life was absolutely amazing.
"But that doesn't mean a 5 year old kid is scary."
...speak for yourself.
I mean, even an unborn baby has some men running scared. :D
Ikr 🤣 I rather face the death squad than raise a child especially if it's a boy hell no
@@onkelpappkov2666 They also have some women running to kill it.
*P l a y t i m e F l a s h b a c k s .*
@@ssjwes 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Manager: This movie looks interesting
Kristen Stewart: I'm In.
Manager: But no plot, no characters development, no...
Kristen Stewart: I'm In.
Everyone has their kinks.
Yeah. Her manager/agent's kink must me desperately trying to get a terrible actress in movies
She's like Nicholas Cage, she always chooses bad films.
@@djspit8929 except she's not a terrible actress. I don't know why people look at her role in Twilight and just seems adamant in condemning her forever over it, but maybe if people see her in her other roles and kill the sparkling vampires covering their eyes, they'd see that she's a good actress.
The only problem is that most of the movies she's in isn't worth watching for the most part. Underwater is one of the better ones, and isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. The biggest flaw of the movie to me, besides being hard to see what's going on, was that it needed less of a soundtrack and less musical jumpscares. Being underwater is scary on its own. It should've just rolled with that.
Damn you, Kristen Stewart!
A big problem I have with this movie (despite the fact I like it for the most part) is when you realize that the monsters are Cthulhu and the deep ones from H.P Lovecraft. And suddenly the fact she can kill the deep one so easily and that they hound the crew becomes moronic as a large part of lovecraftian horror is how insignificant we are to them, Cthulhu would never go after a tiny escape pod in the same way you wouldn't go after a lone ant even if you were smashing the ant hill. And she kills them at the end, nuke or not Lovecraftian beings can't be killed, death is more like a nap for them.
and even if you ignore that the monsters feel pointless and unneeded. Why are they going after the crew, why are they hounding them, why do they care. It's not like they are eating them aside from that one moment and there are millions of them so it's not for food. So why? there's no point to them.
I think if this had just been a flat survival horror with the crew trying to escape as the rig sank and collapsed in on itself it would be far better. This would also give more time to develop the characters.
Honestly although the movie is flawed, my biggest issue is the director saying that that was literally Cthulhu. Like, why? What does that claim add to the movie? How is that aspect in any way utilized?
It's better off as a standalone solo flic about weird undersea creatures, no Cthulhu.
@@drago939393 agreed. It feels like it's trying to get extra attention for it as if people are going to flock to anything with HP Lovecraft content. Sure lovecraftian horror is beloved but it's not like Lovecraft is some big money printer
@@kylepeters8690 Yeah. I had 0 knowledge about the movie up until today. I watched a review for Love and Monsters (having watched it the other night) which mentioned how the original draft for that movie had "basically Cthulhu" at the end, at which point the reviewer showed the poster for Underwater. I immediately looked up the movie exclusively due to the Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror implication; I saw the Wikipedia summary and decided to give it a try, since I like giving "box office bombs" a blind try and since I just recently saw a comment talking how Kristen Stewart low-key became a good leading actress.
After watching it I was certainly let down by the lack of literally anything actually Lovecraftian/Cosmic Horror - or even just any type of psychological horror.
Otherwise, it's an alright "Alien, but Thalassophobia" movie, sound in every aspect but creativity and ambition. As you implied, it either should have been a completely "ocean is the antagonist" and/or "humans are evil" and/or disaster movie (maybe with more focus on psychological trauma of the job and long-term deep-sea habitation, as implied by the opening?) OR it should have leaned far harder and deeper into the mystical, surreal and Lovecraftian. Like this it's awkwardly neither here nor there, with the "akshually, it was literally Cthulhu" statement sounding like an almost ironically self aware example of how to fail at "Show, don't tell".
7/10 - hoped for the next Annihilation, but only got flat-chested elven beauty.
@@kylepeters8690 i think its more of how thirsty fans of lovecraftian horror are we never ever had 1 lovecraftian cosmic horror movie none nada , some games (most terrible , some decent , one unexpectadly good and its not even portrayed as such but oozes with cosmic horror and you even can become on at the end )
@@Draculas-knight I'd call color out of space a great lovecraftian horror, same with the thing. But the fact those are the only two that spring to mind is depressing. As for games I only know a few, bloodborne which I adore, and call of Cthulhu for the ps4 which just angered me as it had so little to do with lovecrafts works and especially the name sake of the game, while also just making dozens of false promises about how the traumas and madness would effect the game only for it to barely effect anything other than the odd dialog. In theory it's a simple genera to work with but given how hard people are to scare nowadays it's rather hard to pull off without removing the horror.
Underwater fails at being Alien, because it's not trying to be Alien.
Taking inspiration from and making minor references to previous, influential horror and sci-fi movies is wholly different from copying them. Underwater does the former, and it's a damn good horror movie in its own right.
No, it's no Alien or The Thing, but it doesn't have to be. It's a well written, well acted, and really well executed movie, with a fair share of its own issues, without having to be compared to Alien.
All that aside, they don't spend half an hour introducing the characters, because we get to know them throughout the film. We learn about them based on their actions and reactions in this stressful scenario.
The bulkhead scene you complain about tells us specifically what you wanted; that she hesitated, tried to save them, even at the risk of her own life, but was willing to make the tough choice to rescue the rest of the people.
And you shouldn't care about those people because you know them personally, but because they are PEOPLE.
I doubt the movies expects you to shed tears over their death, but they are supposed to help you realize that human lives are in fact on the line, and some tough choices will have to be made moving forward.
This isn't a movie about drama between characters; this is a movie about a group of co-workers trying to deal with an unprecedented situation.
I feel like you watched this movie expecting to see a different movie, and you're disappointed it wasn't that.
Them not causing the situation also isn't unique. The characters in Alien also didn't cause the situation they are in; the higher ups at Weyland Yutani did. Or going further down that line, whoever the alien craft belonged to did.
The crew are only a victim of circumstance.
Not that it matters, because them not being responsible for the threat does not in any way diminish that threat. So the argument is moot regardless.
As for the threat of walking outside the station? Even if you're unaware of the dangers of walking at the bottom of the ocean in a pressurized suit, you'll find out the moment they exit the station, when one of the characters falls victim to it.
But even ignoring that threat, there's the limited oxygen, the collapsing station, and soon we come face to face with the creatures lurking outside as well.
I'd say the movie does a good job with these.
Investigating the distress signal adds nothing to the plot, except for introducing the monsters, and showing us what they may look like. You know, totally unimportant information.
Kind of like how the facehugger dissection scene in Alien adds nothing interesting to the plot.
But if you're gonna complain about that, you must have a huge issue with the Space Jokey scene in Alien.
And since when does having multiple of the terrifying, murderous creatures makes them less scary? If anything, finding out that there's not only one but multiple of the creature you struggled to defeat and killed several of your crew-mates, would make the scenario even more terrifying.
Also, how are they not in the epicenter of the incident, especially considering the climax of the movie? That one's just flat out nonsense.
Did you just call a multiple hundred meter tall creature a "slightly bigger monster"?
Then again, this comes after you comparing the movie's monsters to five year-olds.
The reason to save her friends as well as the rest of humanity is never established? Nothing to indicate that it's a threat? Are you fucking kidding me?
Okay, fuck it. I'm done.
Yes, long comment. I know.
This comment is much better and unbiased than this entire video essays. Honestly, this is just a clickbait crappy video essay.
@@alphamineron Thanks, man. I appreciate it.
There's so much more wrong with this video, you could honestly dissect it for hours, but there's only so much one can pack into a youtube comment.
Ye filmento has lost his way...
Long comment is a understatement....
@@luster5497 Maybe, but at least it wasn't a clickbait video that focused on irrelevance, taking minutes I'll never get back.
how to fail at alien: try to recreate alien
Without what makes Alien a good movie
without understanding why Alien was good movie and great horror movie, it still holds up today
Life did it okay tbh.
James Cameron: sounds like a good idea, let's try it with Terminator.
@@jerondiovis6128 But that was a success.
Wait, so some people drilled a hole in the ocean floor and that made the creatures come out?
Is this an accidental Pacific Rim prequel?
Or Doom, but underwater.
Was getting strong Cloverfield vibes watching the movie, it could easily tie into all three though.
The Meg
or another south park bp Cthulhu episode
Muffled doom music starts.
Lol at you for not knowing del toro is a HuGe lovecraft fan
I really enjoyed this movie and the concept. I truely believe that a better score or composer could've helped with building tension.
that pulp fiction meme gets me everytime because its perfect
“Shut the door NOW!”
The button could have been pressed by the guy standing there faster than that statement could have been uttered.
He said he didn't know how to use the console.
He wouldn't have known which button to press. (Though everything seemed to be giant red buttons or spacebars on a regular keyboard lmao
That could also have worked as a moment to define his character as someone who is willing to sacrifice others for the sake of preserving many more.
@@jackrogers5712 I didn't watch the movie, but why would a guy who doesn't know how to use the console be hired on their ship?
@@jge8144 The "console" was broken she had to open it to "hack" it and she knew how. He, a few seconds later, stated he didn't know how to do that and she saved the entire station.
This movie is like playing half-life as a scientist 2 floors above, and not Gordon Freeman.
The bland characters might feel boring but isnt that more realistic? Its how professionals should act in those situations, cold and rational.
Of course i didnt see the movie, so maybe they somewhow managed to be irrational and dumb as fuck at the same time :D
@@atropa6053 Meh bland characters can be realistic and entertaining. But i understand your point here.
Ah yes, you're from the Anomalous Materials lab, I recognize you!
I hear Pyrocynical saying that.
@@Pinnaporaptor as a scp part of nine tales fox( bland is real)
Quite an underrated gem it is. Watched it like 3 times and will defo rewatch in the future.
What i like in this film is that the cast didn't fight with each other. Not unnecessary love triangle of romance, no one betraying the group, just workers who want to survive that hellhole. Everybody was really nice and supportive, especially to Emily
A lot of modern movies have lost the art of the slow burn: they just go from 0 to 100 immediately. When this happens, the climax is lessened because, by that point, the audience has already seen the resemblance of a climax.
It's because people have 5 second attention spans nowadays. If they don't get their explosions in the first three minutes of the movie they lose interest.
Jack Rogers True
@@jackrogers5712 People today still think movies like Alien are good, movies like this fail, that's not the problem.
People... people...
It's not people's fault, it's all about companies not wanting to risk anymore.
Man i loved the movie shutter Island because of the slowly building of suspicion and wonder where is the murder
Then you get the twist
Never thought in my life would see Eminem running around with bra
I saw Logic, maybe because of the glasses.
i thought he's just into some crossdressing
Haha.
Yeah I thought the bra would be on his eyes.
I thought she was hot.
The first scene you talked about did show her debating the choice. If she'd have normally closed the door like she was being told then she wouldn't have hesitated and closed her eyes when she did it. That means she would have normally waited for the crew to get through. Problem is, the water very clearly overtook the crew members in that hall very quickly. They were at best knocked out from the force and already drowning before she closed the door. In that logic, it wouldn't have matter what her normal response would have been. Hesitating after it's pretty clear your friends aren't going to make it in time risks everyone else. Basically, the choice did have weight if you paid attention to her body language, but at the same time it was only a hard choice for the sake of suspense. It wasn't really meant to be a big character reveal, as even before that choice she was alerting everyone that there had been a breach. If she didn't care that much about others she'd have just booked it to the control panel and let everyone else figure things out herself.
You're right. I never saw the movie, but the clips he showed clearly show she is concerned for the safety of others and tries her best to help and didn't close the hatch until after seeing them overtaken by the water. She is very clearly established as a proactive hero from those scenes he used in this video.
Talks with lisp..." In episode 4 of season 28 of blah blah blah when captain Kirk blah blah blahed
Anyone here because of EFAP?
Yep
Yea. Disagree completely with their take after watching film myself. Check out "Deep Rising" instead. Way better movie
Yeh. Watched the movie after after an hour of the efap.
Enjoyed it. This guy is pretty wrong. Lol.
yup. insanely frustrating video to watch. basically just came here to dislike
I really enjoyed this movie. Not saying it's a masterpiece but the set peices, the cgi was decent, cinematography, the suits, didnt rely on just jumpscares. It's not a oscar worthy movie by any means but it is a pretty good horror movie
Exactly, it was good fun
I disagree with a lot said in this video. Is unfair with this film. As a person with thalasophobia, I can say it sets a pretty good atmosfere of Deep sea vastnes in the dark. Something Alien didn't had. This film plays not only with the monster or better said a race of monsters, (because using only one would be absurd in this story) but with the "space" void that is the deepest point in the ocean. On the surface of the sea you are nothing but a leaf in the wind. Totally vulnerable. At the bottom you are way worse.
Aliens 2 used not one but a lot of aliens without devaluating the monster and is a really good movie. And starting a story in the middle of the action may be risky, but it doesn't have to be bad. If you pay atention to the movie, you get glimpses of how the characters think and what's their story.
I was searching for someone who liked this, I knew this film was fucked when the first scene was the scene from trailer, what a waste of potential this film was,
I agree it wasn't Oscar worthy or anything like that but it was definitely a solid movie to me
haha yeah if we look at the current bar for a good horror movie, Sure it was pretty good. Such a shame that the bar for a good horror movie is at my ankles currently.
In terms of underwater Scifi this was a good movie. good effects, attention to details. Sadly to rushed. They should have aimed more for this and extended the movie length another 20 minutes for better build up. It almost had the charm of an 80's action flick. almost.
In terms of horror it was bad enough to warrant a PG13 mark that's not really horror movie material in my eyes. Not to mention how rushed and chaotic it is which doesn't really create the fear response in people but instead causes a stress response. Like an action movie.
At least alien got an PG15 rating.
I guess one of the reasons why this movie was layed out in such a way was that the makers really wanted to bring out the Cthullu-like creature as a cliff hanger. As a result the plot had to be compromised.
The small monsters resemble the Deep Ones and the big one looks like the upper half of Cthulhu.They tried to insert lovecraftian imagery in a horror monster movie.Bad combination.
Pro-tip. I walked into the movie with about 30-40 minutes left and it was great!
@@birms3287 Interesting, did the lack of poor setup make it more interesting since you were thrown right into a terrifying situation or what?
@@graphite7898 Yeah and partly cause I walked into it for free. I don't have to justify my time or money spent on it. But yeah I just walked in and finished the movie and I thought it was pretty cool for that last third, not knowing anything else that came before.
@Lee McDonald It's a bad idea because the movie's tone is unfit for cosmic horror.The Sphere,Annihilation and The Lighthouse,which aren't directly lovecraftian,capture the lovecraftian atmosphere(simplicity,tension and slow decent into madness)pretty well.
Is it just me or does it sound like she says “wake up, brush your teeth” at 4:31?
I heard that as well
To summarize this entire video in a few rods.
Alien Good. Aliens Bad.
LMAo hell no, Aliens is fantastic sequel.
@@Gadget-Walkmen it completely fucked up the actual monster by turning it into a dumb bug.
No thanks.
@@r.k845 WTF are you talking about? The Aliens (1986 films) is a phenomenal movie that changed the way how alot of space films got made afterwords. It's a hallmark film.
And the Alien Xenomorph was ALWAYS a "bug".
It's a space parasite.
Alien is a horror survival movie while Aliens is a War movie against the xenos. It didn't "cOmPlEtELy fuck up" anything.
Nothing got turned "dumb" at all. That's all in your head.
What you're saying is complete rubbish and trash.
Piss off with this "no thanks". because you're wrong.
No, that's not what they were saying. Alien is a horror movie, Aliens is an action movie. Underwater doesn't know what the hell it is, that's the problem.
@@MichaelPoage666 I mean the movie underwater overall is decent. It’s not bad but has some issues to some people so overall it’s decent.
Why on Earth hasn't Kristen Stewart replaced her agent yet? She's been on a streak of bad movies lately.
Hahhaha
@Aman Smith-martin I confirm she's never been into a good film.
More like... why is she even in any movie... and on the front cover.
@Aman Smith-martin Panic Room
You could ask to : why her agent hasn't replaced Kristen Stewart.
I could be wrong, I probably am, but a breach at that depth would fill the station in seconds. She wouldn't have time to run around.
The pressure plot line was kind of inconsistent, dont pay much attention to it
At that depth, a breach would cause such a catastrophic inrush of water, everyone would have died instantly from being incinerated by the diesel effect.
Brian Cates not only that sheer amount of pressure that rushes in would have completely destroyed everything.
from my very limited knowledge .at that depth if a hull breach would happen the nail poped out would be a railgun and before the nail hit anything else the entire structure would implode...at such depths the pressure is so high it changes the properties of things like disel and even batteries,its also highly unlikely a structure like those stations could be built when u pressurize something so humans can sit there you are basicly holding the ocean back,it would have to be a sphere not some random tube circle thing.
I'm not doubting you but then most movies and tv shows don't even get medical or firefighter stuff right. If they aren't 100% accurate about an underwater drilling station i can live with it
One movie that did the characters well in this situation was Pitch Black the first Riddick movie. It had the pilot choosing to sacrifice the passenger cabin and throughout the movie that decision is at the back of the conversation till the point where she gets to choose herself over the survivors again and this time she makes the redeeming choice. Like this one but more impactful
Damn good movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it and thought Stewart was fine.
I love how she's screaming "wake up" despite the alarms blaring and deafening noise.
If the movie had actually been done better, it wouldn't have been such a huge issue. In moments of panic, sometimes we do things that aren't the most logical. In a situation like that I'd say its fully realistic someone would be screaming for her crew mates to get up. Not really due to believing what she's doing will actually wake them, but more of a desperate action to think she's helping and can somehow prevent their demise.
I like how she yells wake up and of course brush your teeth
I think she did it more out of panic that more people weren’t leaving their rooms.
That's actually quite realistic.
Loving the profile picture my man. HAMMER!
“A boring, pointless walking simulator”
Did you mean: *The walking dead*
Death Stranding?
@@Kaliosthesecond now this is how you make jokes right there
i only liked this because my like was the 100th
@@Kaliosthesecond He said pointless. Not wasteful.
@@Kaliosthesecond Man, I loved Desth Stranding. That game was so polarizing.
1. I didn't accept the starting implosion wasn't a dream sequence until they were crawling through rubble.
2. "Oh look, a giant monster has been just sitting there for millennia! We need to destroy it before it... sits there... more..."
Ah yes multiple monsters are much less scary than a single monster. Much like getting lost in the woods with a single wolf chasing you rather than a pack of wolves.
In terms of writing... kinda? If there is only one monster, you can give it a personnality of sorts, whereas if there is a pack, it can easily blend together. This is why a slasher movie is usually scarier than a zombie movie: technically you are in more danger chased by an endless horde of undeads than by one killer, even if said killer is toughter, but by focusing on the one killer, you can build up and elaborate more on the threat, and make it narratively "deeper".
@@maximeteppe7627 What do you mean "in terms of writing"? It's simple logic friend, 10 zombies trying to kill you is more frightening than 1 zombie trying to kill you, in the same way that 10 killers trying to kill you is more frightening than 1 killer trying to kill you. I don't see why this logic should be any different when you're writing a story.
@@wolfiewoo3371 In a movie, danger and fright are not directly correlated, otherwise the lord of the rings, or any movie with a war, would be much scarier than any horror movie, and aliens would be a scarier horror movie than Alien was... Instead, muiltiplying the monsters makes it more of an action movie.
I can demonstrate that once again with a zombie example: usually, a zombie movie will have a scene where a main characte's close one becomes zombified. It's usually a more intense moment than most of the scenes with a large amount of zombies, because in terms of writing, emotion is more important than numbers.
@@maximeteppe7627 In the zombie example yes, your friend turning into a zombie is terrifying but not in the same way as, "oh no, this guy has turned into a zombie and now he's going to kill us all" but more of a "oh no, my friend is gone" . A friend turning into a zombie is a different scenario from multiple threats trying to kill you vs 1 threat trying to kill you. The reason why Aliens isn't a horror movie, isn't because there are multiple aliens, it's because you've got all those marines with guns blasting the hell out of them.
Also, there were a lot of scenes in lord of the rings where Frodo and Sam where hiding from the uruk hai and those were pretty scary, in large part due to the fact that there were a lot of uruk hai and that if even one of the uruk hai found them they were basically dead meat. As plus, war is really scary, especially when you're outnumbered. Sure, a lot of hollywood movies don't frame it that way but you could easily make some type of horror movie about war and being hunted by soldiers.
@@wolfiewoo3371 then, why are there so few slashers with several killers? I'd say it's that overall, it's more effective to build tension one on one.
Again, while several foes is more of a threat, one monster is easier to iconise, to build tension around, and horror are all about creating tension, and monsters are icons.
As for aliens, I'd say that your objection works the other way around: when you have several monsters, it gives the freedom to kill monsters without having to roll the credits right after: it makes the writers free to make there monsters more fragile.
The pitch was Xenomorphs, but as fishes.
No the pitch was Lovecraft with a modern take.
@@gongetya.9244 yeah. That end monster was Cthullu.
No, the pitch was the sequel to The Shape of Water.
@@shantanupednekar2344 cthulhu
Oooo pitch meetings are TIGHT
I honestly thought the opening scene was a dream sequence, that would end with her walking up in her bunk for another routine day.
So did I. So did most people I think. It likely would have been better that way, because we would have gotten to know her and some of the other characters as we go through a day in her life. Instead we're just thrown into chaos 5 seconds in and given no reason to care about anything.
I 100% thought the exact same thing, so did my brother. I started to think that they were really dragging out this dream sequence until I realized that this was the actual plot.
Yeah and honestly I'm glad it was actually real and happening at a random moment, instead of having a cliché trope where characters are introduced long enough for the major events to pop out when the characters were done sharing each other's behaviors and personality.. how convenient.
Jesus Paredes Pena completely agree
Filmento's Credibility | Anatomy Of A Failure
A fellow EFAPer I assume
@@edwardhtvonpeladhen7677 I pledge my sword of objectivity to the cause of the longman.
One good thing about this movie, if they make a Gears of War film, they already have the templates for their armor.
This movie should have started the way every space movie start. A routine maintenance duty where you use the coms to introduce your characters, and relationships between them. Here it would be on the ocean floor, and it goes horribly wrong, when they get attacked and only one of the two crew members make it back, not only do you introduce your characters and monsters, but also you set up that walking outside is dangerous for later on when they actually need to do it.
100% agree
Your hired!!! now go make the reboot!!
That's exactly what I was thinking, they put us into the shit way to fast, and it felt rushed the hole time.
And then people would still complain that it starts the way every space movie starts.
Pick up your poison
So you just want a cliche horror movie.. for what? To criticize it for being cliche?
She was in two of the biggest flops in 2019, and personally I cannot think of a single movie that she was in that anyone likes. Yet somehow she wins actress of the decade?
coolerintext what!!!!
You can't think of a single movie that anyone likes? Twilight made her into a star. Tons of people (mostly women and teens) loved that first film.
coolerintext Exactly. My theory is that she has some dirt on the higher ups in Hollyweird and that’s how she’s managed to keep getting work. How she pulled off that award though is beyond me.
@@vegetta00 The saying is Might doesn't make right, there are plenty of popular films (and actors) that are mediocre at best, horrible at worst.
@@darthsilversith667 maybe she filmed a personal undie scene with one of the higher ups
Seeing how this was a Cthulhu inspired movie, I can see why it failed at being aliens.
But it also failed at being a Chtulhu movie. There's no subtlety at all. It would have been great to see just pieces of the monster throughout the film and the big reveal at the end.
Just like in Tremors, for example, where you think the monsters are these giant snakes, only to learn later that they're only like the real monster's tongue.
Cthulhu is still technically alien
I feel like the section of the video about how the characters that you follow not being the "source" of the problem or being the ones making key choices about digging is done intentionally.
The movie makes constant references to the fact that the company that these people work for is extremely corporate and cold, they clearly don't care for any of these people. They are just workers here, they never had any control over the terrible decisions that the company made to get them into this mess. They don't learn why this is happening and they don't get to have justice, all they can do is try their best to fix the problem and get out of there. It is really relatable for anyone who has worked in a garbage corporate job.
I actually liked this movie. It was definitely a better Alien movie than the recent Alien movies IMO.
true, but that's not really a high bar...
I liked it too but only because it played off my inate fears of the deep ocean, lovecraft, and also Kristen Stewarts hot. Worth a watch for me at least I liked a lot of the imagery.
My only problem with the movie is it didn't have the 20 minute slow build up where you get to know everyone, THEN the disaster hits. At least get the audience familiar with who they're suppost to care about.
Its standard for disaster movies.
Yeah I enjoyed it as well. Though it was no masterpiece like Alien it was a decent homage to it. The Cthulhu thing I totally wasn't buying and seemed like an afterthought... if you're going to make a Cthulhu movie you have to include the madness he inspires and perhaps a hint of the mythos. This was as much the Kraken as anything.
Meh cosmic horror elements have been trash any way. The “reason why this thing is scary is because you can’t comprehend it.” Just ends being not scary more aggressive and sea monster like Cthulhu is more terrifying then me slowly going insane.
"A thousand 5 years old kids could definitely kill you"
Was that a challenge?
Well, Challenge accepted!
rofl :P
I'd pay to see that.
Is this how Hunger Games starts?
@@rippl3r0 It's just part of human nature wanting to see a good fight.
I don't know if my fight against a thousand 5 years old will be good, but at least it will be atypical.
Francesco *Bfg Division bass boosted plays*
Technically 1,000 5 year-olds have so far failed to kill me.
The long man cometh
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To all the people talking about how "Lovecraft" this movie is: there is almost nothing lovecraftian about this movie, only the design of the big monster. Tentacles, underwater monsters, and underwater monsters with tentacles doesn't make something lovecraftian. There's more to it than that.
You outta ask the director on that one, since its based around cthulhu/is about cthulhu
Thank you.
Big fucking whoop, you used a Cthulhu influence on your fucking creature, nothing about plot, other-worldly is involved in this film about it.
And thank God, he would have ruined Lovecraft as well.
@@Sylph8141 well he didn't do a good job of that, not that I particularly dislike the film itself
@@williepete1969 Not enough on the nose racism and no city dwelling white male protagonist to save the world from the fish people and scary foreigners with strange religions? You are correct, it's not very Lovecraftian.
@@wodthehunter8145 lmao shut the fuck up
I legit thought this was gonna be like a Lovecraftian horror movie with Deep One inspired creatures and unknowable eldritch horrors. The characters slowly going insane inside the claustrophobic confines of the crumbling underwater facility and having to deal with members of the group turning on each other while also trying to survive the creatures. Maybe even reveal that one of the characters has a connection to the sea monsters because Deep Ones... they breed with humans a lot... I also didn't expect a happy ending... because Lovecraftian horror doesn't really do happy endings. But even so, I think you were harder on this movie than it deserves... it's not perfect, sure, but it is still a serviceable horror/thriller film. It's not great by any means but the effects were well done and the creature designs were really awesome. It could have been much better, I agree. As a big fan of these types of movies over the over-saturation of Star Wars and comic book films... I am happy it got this sort of quality at all. I mostly watch older movies when it comes to scifi/horror because the drop in quality over the years is very noticeable and I can't bring myself to be interested in most current films anymore...
The thing is, the big monster at the end IS Chtulhu. As the director of the movie confirmed.... It just makes it sadder.
What you just described is a movie that I would actually want to see. How is it that everyday ordinary people like us have more creativity and imagination that Hollywood big wigs?
Also it was a January movie I believe so no one had hope the movie was gonna do good. They were just hoping to recoup and at least break even I think
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 It´s an incestious shithole were you only can go big if you got the contacts to do so. Ordinary people have no chance to get in there even if talented. On youtube alone there is a considerable amount of talented people who barely get any recognition for it.
i still wanna rent this movie... im going to pause this review and watch the movie. this is so in my wheelhouse i gotta give it a shot. even if its a C+ or B- ill be ok with that. he did say right up top ::: there is some great stuff in here / set designs / music etc
A good example of scary plural monsters is in The Descent
> Shows scene of Nora desperately trying to wake people up as the station collapses
> Weight of her decision to close the door on her co-workers fails because "We don't know anything about her"
> Um wot?
She also saved a spider.
@@aminuolawale1843 the spider IS the scene, she keeps saving spiders to the end, she values life
Uhm ..the point he's trying to make is that, we the audience, have no clue about them, so for me, when she closed the door, I wondered why she took so long cz I don't who's out there... Is there a guy out there about to go on vacation home to his newly pregnant wife? Is Isabella going to final tell Justin how she feels? No story behind them was establish, so her hesitation to close the door is only driven by the audiences basic care for human life
@@michaelrichards5340 that's not the point he made at all. The point he made was that we don't know enough about HER to value the decision. This video is a mess but at least get it right.
Michael Richards So you would sacrifice people on your crew without hesitation?
"I didn't know their names or backstories, so fuck em"
Personally, I REALLY liked the perspective of this movie! I feel like I'm in the minority here, but I like this kind of setup... Just some random schmucks, going about their day, not doing anything exceptional or different from usual, and then BAM! Plot happens! It makes me sink into the movie, since I'm trying to figure it out along with the characters, while thinking at the same time how I would react in a similar situation.
To me, Underwater gave exactly what I wanted, and I'll likely watch it many more times in the future.
The ending too... wow! I thought the movie was mediocre for the first two thirds, but that final reveal made me so happy.
How dare you oppose my view, now I must write mean words about you.
@@AE-ee6mg Yeah a bunch of awesome moments. Also, I feel like the Big Monster was set up pretty well. It was never shown, but, it's effects have. It was stated that the station was several thousand tons, so it took massive amounts of force to knock it out, and the smaller monsters had nowhere near that strength, so obviously there had to be something bigger. Also, bonus points for it being Cthulu.
@@noble14 Ok, as long as they are not the super mean ones!
so... Alien
First time I've seen a video show up in recommended after 11 seconds.
There is one underwater terror survival game called Narcosis, it has a very similar plot, except it is only one character and it doesn't have a monster, so the terror scenes are more about the madness of the main character
So... The main critiques of this movie were "I didn't pay attention so I was confused by the events taking place." and "I wanted to see a different movie.", alright then.
EXACTLY like omg why can't people just like it for what it is??
@@MajorJack92 There is actually quite a lot to like about it when you pay attention to it instead of trying to compare it to Alien on every occasion.
@@MajorJack92 The characters were surprisingly decent for a movie like that, the sets were pretty great and story rather simple but still effective.
So you're telling me Kristen Stewart single handedly eradicated a local unknown species, and probably a couple more, from the Mariana Trench ?
Yeah because when you put it that way it completly ignores that said species were highly lethal predators with the biggest one being near Godzilla (2014) size.
Sounds sort of in the region of the abomination they called the Meg
@@CedricBassman There is no way a creature adapted to living that deep would even survive going to the surface and even if it could: do you assume it would go and hunt fisherboots? The only humans this creatures would ever come across are cased inside 100 000 tonnes of steel. There are probably more people dying from fights with cows than are endangered by those sea creatures.
@@f_f_f_8142
"There is no way a creature adapted to living that deep would even survive going to the surface"
And your proof is where? The only problem they maybe would have is the change in temperature, and who says they can't adapt to that or already have. Who says they would stay in the Deep Ocean, who says they can't go on land? From what we've seen from the Movie there is a shitload of them and they seem to reproduce rather fast. This thing destroyed a whole mining base build to whistand the deep sea, but sure you're gonna be totally safe on a boat.
Always love it when people try to apply real world logic to a fantasy creature and aren't even good at it.
@@CedricBassman Temperature? Pressure would be more critical, at that depth pressure is stupid high, and animal adapted yo that pressure would explode when subjected to 1 atmosphere (10mts depth), subs get away with it (to a certain extent) by not having compressible(or expandible) surfaces, which an organic creature has.
Moreover why would they invade the surface (or at least the shallows)? If they were the apex of an underground biome why move? Can they feed on regular fish? If so why hunt humans? They wasted more calories hunting this guys that they would actually get from eating them.
Underwater base: Walls explode with thundering noise
Kirsten Stewart: yells Wake up
Me: ...
Yeah just let people explode
@@user-oo3iy3nt1i you have to be memeing or joking
Sully Groot bruh
I actually quite enjoyed the big monster at the end and it did feel quite impactful and it did feel like a threat to humanity to me. But not thanks to the directors, but to my friend. Before I watched this movie it was recommended to me by a friend of mine. Who told me, and I quote "a horror movie with creatures clearly inspired by Lovecraft's cosmic horror". And that changed it all for me. Because whenever I saw the useless small creatures, my first thought was "oh these are probably the creatures of some old one. Or they are probably the deep ones. They look so cool". And whenever I saw the big monster, I thought "oh my god, is that Dagon? Or maybe Mother Hydra? It has to be one of the two, it doesn't look like Cthulhu". So by already knowing about the creatures previously, I already have a build up of how dangerous and powerful they are. And don't get me wrong, I do believe this movie is inspired by Lovecraft's work. The similarities are pretty numerous. But it kind of fails on explaining the things for itself and it relies way too much on knowledge about Lovecraft's works
Everyone is comparing Underwater to Alien but I don't see the connection. In fact Underwater reminded me a lot of the movie Sphere (1998) for some reason.
The atmosphere of the movie was intense, it was well acted and directed (although not Oscar worthy) and the atmosphere was nerve racking.
Underwater is like Alien, in that it's a watered down version of what it's trying to imitate without capturing any of the flavours that made Alien so iconic in the first place.
did you just say it was a watered down version of alien? ;)
I see what you did there......
how can you use so many words and say nothing?
Its so bad it can't even be considered a good Aliens rip off.
You're way better off sticking with Alien 1979 and Aliens 1986.
Hollywood just seems incapable of recapturing the magic of those two films.
@God King Vegeta agreed. She's just hard to like, and hard to watch. A poor actress with no range.
Why does it seem every movie Kristen Stewart is in flops
She's a terrible actor who only simps who make simp movies like.
theblasblas She’s not even worthy of a simp though and especially with her short/buzzed hair looks. She doesn’t make a good blonde either. Perhaps if she put on 20 pounds, grew her hair out again and went back to brunette plus stopped being overly PC. Then.. she might be worthy (even then I wouldn’t simp her, but could admit to her being attractive) of having simps.
I dont think she can do anything about it.... she was born a blunt unattractive talentless husk of a human......its just how it is....
She´s not a great actress, simple as that.
She's known from Twilight, which makes 2/3 of people avoid her, and the rest are Twilight fans who avoid her after she cheated on Rob. Also she aint that good of an actress
Thumbs up from EFAP squad! Thanks for the laugh!
I think a big problem was that they didn't really use the fear of the unknown effectively. Since the movie is underwater it would be so easy to just shroud the monster and keep us from really being able to see it, but they just sit it right in front of Kristin Stewart and have it slowly crawl towards her when its like 2 feet in front of her and shes not moving.
I saw this in the theater. It wasn’t bad but wasn’t memorable either. The main monster gets WAY too little screen time for how awesome it is.
It wasn't about the monster, it was about saving a spider.
This has become one of Cthulhu's trademarks - we never get much of him physically, but the effects of him being there can be seen.
@@nightcrawler5409 it's not canonical that nobody gets a good long look at him. The production just ran out of cash.
"People working together to survive. No romances, no clashes. That's not interesting." Come on wtf. I hate when stupid character's stupid decisions creat stupid situations. It's not realistic.
But reality sucks, that is why stupid conflict needs to happen on movies, otherwise it becomes boring.
@@Inscissorr Oh I agree that if everyone was acting perfectly logical then it would be boring. I just mean that they shouldn't act completely stupid. Like in most average movies.
@@Quick-Silver206 understandable
What makes movies interesting is that we learn about characters, if only a little bit. It's called character development. We didn't know much about the people on the Nostromo but just enough to learn and make a connection with them, especially Ripley. She was a bitch from the get-go but a good intelligent bitch.
Its actually very realistic.
Seeing KS run around half naked and you saying "if you're into that kind of stuff", does a great job of covering all bases as to what "that" could be. Just like Kristen Stewart.
you kind of gloss over Noah' reaction to having to pull the trigger that lead to the death of her crew mates. I think its more relatable to have this survivors guilt that by your actions you are alive but your crewmates are dead and now you have to live with this fact. happens several times in different ways during this film.
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@@mathewsmith548 well it is a sci fi film so ok.
@@mathewsmith548 Imagine calling someone what you think is an insult because they commented on the video's topic
This film is very divisive. I see a 50/50 split, half saying the film is terrible because there no set up at the beginning. & half saying its great because it gets straight into the action. I personally like this film because it doesn't hold may hand and tell me what to think and fell it just is. Its left open to interpretation.
Folks want shit HANDED to them it was a good movie for what it was. Folks in the comment section want these people whole life story, you don't have to feel CONNECTED to every got damn person. Hell what did they really know about the people in Alien which is the film they are comparing this to.
@@ellisgill1337 Exactly!
@@ellisgill1337 We knew they were real people with real feelings, ideas, and goals. In fact, we were so thoroughly aware of their humanity that when we learned one wasn't human, it was a surprise. The problem with not giving the audience anything about the characters is that without anything to care about, they become, effectively, the same as set pieces or extras in the background. They aren't part of the story, the story is happening around them.
@@mitchellconner6928 oh ok 😐
@@ellisgill1337 yeah, I know, I'm late to the party. Sorry bout that.
"Heres how not to Alien"
*Cuts to Pampers commercial*
Underwater is basically like if a rescue crew came across the Nostromo if Ripley had failed to kill the xeno.
So basically, the plot of Aliens. Just replace 'Nostromo' with 'LV-426' and you've got the sequel to Alien, and one of the best movies of all time.
You're right that sounds awful.
@@rich9973 Except Aliens was a sequal, not a standalone. We had already had an encounter with the xenos in the first movie, same for Ripley, so we had emotional investment.
Underwater could've been an interesting movie if there was a film before it detailing the people who drilled too deep, however there isn't which is what makes it bad. Aliens had the first movie to provide context, if Aliens was just on its own then it wouldn't be as good (though it would still be a great film)
@@AnInsaneOstrich I watched Aliens before watching Alien and still thought it was amazing, so I dont see how this bizarre principle of "not showing the original incident" automatically makes a movie bad. Not to mention, alien only sets up Ripley's character for the sequel, not the original 'epicenter', which would be LV-426.
Think about it. Would Terminator 2 be bad if you didn't see Sarah Connor's character development in the first film? Sure, it adds more depth by seeing the first movie prior, but it doesn't make the movie bad if you haven't. You can watch Aliens, Terminator 2, and I'd argue this film, on their own and have a great time.
@@rich9973 do you not remember how the alien got aboard the Nostromo? they went to LV426 and one of the character's got a chest burster inside them, also if T2 was the EXACT same movie a lot of context would be lost. Who is Arnie's Character? why is John Connor important? what is that liquid metal thing?
It is a lot more than character development, it's context as to what is important and comparing how the stakes have changed from the previous movie and how life has changed due to the events of the previous movie. Sarah Connor becomes a badass and gets locked in a mental institute due to the first movie, Ripley becomes a xeno hating badass due to the first movie. All of those films would be worse if they were just standalones, not sequals. Underwater would be a mediocre to good film IF it had the context of a pre-existing movie, like Aliens and T2 however there isn't so it isn't. Also bare in mind that the writing for those movies is much much better than the writing for this movie, they is a lot more airtight whereas Underwater is full of plot holes.
I never said the Aliens and T2 would be bad, I said that they would be WORSE as the writing and action would still make them great films, but the context is lost.
@@AnInsaneOstrich Fair point about the Nostromo, and I agree with pretty much everything you said. My main point about Aliens is that if you compare it 1:1 with this movie, it seems the uploader's logic would be that seeing the original LV-426 outbreak would be a better movie than seeing us explore the aftermath of the outbreak. A stand alone example of this premise working is The Thing, wherein no prequel or context regarding the original outbreak at the Norwegian base is required to enjoy the film.
My main issue is that the uploader frames this premise as inherently flawed, in addition to saying that having multiple creatures instead of one, is inherently flawed. I agree that obviously this movie is no Aliens or The Thing, and the writing is nothing special. But I think that the premise of exploring the aftermath of an incident can be just as, if not more interesting than the incident itself, because it leaves the viewer with a sense of mystery; seeing the abandoned rooms and makeshift blockades in Aliens as the team first enters the station always gives me an eerie sense of atmosphere and mystery; "I wonder how long they survived for?" "I wonder how they managed to injure an alien resulting in the multi-floor acid hole" etc.
I'm not necessarily defending this particular movie or its writing, moreso taking issue with what the uploader is deeming as the problems with it.
Bruh, at the very beginning of the movie she's washing her hands, and a little spider was in the sink, she has her moments of doubt, "should I open de faucet or save the spider?" she ends up saving it... So, that decision of letting the crew die carried weight. * enters Ok meme *
Yeah I was just about to say this