I'd also like if they make some more 200mil flops, because they have already an obscene market share and need to be taken down a notch, in the interest of balance.
considering they are one of the strongest lobbyists for copyright and related censorship i"d like them to make as many of these as it takes to bankrupt them
Actually there are marketing reasons for this. When "The Princess and the Frog" didn't do as well, Disney marketers assumed the name was too "old-fashioned" -- which is why Rupunzel was named "Tangeld" and The Snow Queen was called "Frozen" Marketeers are idiots.
I just watched John Carter recently. I think the several failed attempts of John Carter trying to escape at the beginning actually works from a comedic perspective, as it also subverts the cliche of the protagonist being able to fight off a room full of several men.
That would work if the main character wasn't being pushed as an action hero. I mean, he's the namesake of the movie but is passive and isn't strong like an action hero is supposed to be, might as well have made somebody else the main
Honestly quite a solid film! A very unique and different story with a plot that was surprisingly well developed. This definitely ranks among one of the most underrated films in recent times.
IF there's an upshot of the COVID-19 lockdown (screw you, TH-cam! Changing the name of the condition doesn't change the condition itself!...😠), it's revisiting great, & the occasionally entertaining crap, books, TV, & movies. Example - it's kinda hard to find them, but for a while in the '70s & '80s TV networks attempted to bring successful sci-fi movie series to the small screen. Except they didn't have the budgets or creativity (except in soundtracks) to get them right. Furthermore, since TV tended to be safe & very episodic (no cable, satellite, or streaming back then), the showrunners tended to fall back on the same "act" format that came before. I call it "The Fugitive" syndrome. No slight meant to that great series - David Jansson was & is great, as was Barry Gray - but the way they formatted each episode - build conflict, intensify conflict, resolve conflict, set up next conflict - was done to death on these adaptations. But now, I can't resist them. They're truly so bad they're great! The downside of course is that the networks' Standards & Practices drones demanded anything that could be construed by the Moms of the sunny South - mostly too much sex, graphic violence, language, drug use (except for smokes & booze) or any "controversial" subjects" - were verboten. Unfortunately, that's exactly what made the cinema versions great. As a result, shows that COULD'VE been extremely great, like "Planet of the Apes", "Logan's Run" & "Beyond Westworld", were laughable in unintendedly humorous ways! Y'all can find some episodes of these online, including right here (see TH-cam monitoring drones! I can be nice as well!...👏🙃). They're quite the timekillers as well as a window into the near past.
Didn't really feel like I said something that would make people mad LoL your right I forgot his name.. Congrats bro you got me. Rejoice.. I know his name is Taylor something.. Last time I saw him was in 21 bridges. Another good movie.
Shocked how badly this film did, its an amazing film if you haven't seen it then you should watch it I guarantee majority of you will love it, its unique concept, great acting visuals, directing etc and the ending twist is brilliant... Man I wish this film was a big hit and was more well known
I think the cave full if gold is all he has left, after losing his family. That and his grief are the only things that bind him to earth. At the end he learns to let go of his grief and that he can have a family with Dejah.
@@brendanbabin6315 eh not really. Jack wants freedom above all else. Yes he wants to pilage and loot and all of that but that is never at the heart of the conflict of any movie, thus not his motivation in the scenarios we see him. In the first movie he wants the black pearl back because that ship represents the freedom of the high seas and the pirate life. In the second&third davy jones is chasing him, thus limiting what he can do, and so he seeks to be free of this. Movie 4&5 are pretty much the same as the others, just worse and you get the point. Blackbeard has the black pearl = no freedom. Salazar chasing jack = no freedom. Any way i still agree with the statement that being rich is a good motivation BUT only if you establish why the character wants to be rich. ok rant over have a good day
@@brendanbabin6315 Jack Sparrow doesn't want a cave full of gold lmao, where did you hear that? Jack's character is a lot more complex (based on his choices and how they drive the plot) than John There's a reason as to why the first three pirates movies were so successful, while Carting around on Mars was not
@@mrscreechu yes because jack had 3 movies to develop, carter only one ... if you consider only the first Pirates of the Caribbeans there's not that much to it lol
Lol. That movie was horrible. If it was actually good it would've caught on later like several other movies that flopped in theaters but are cult classics.
i don't know why but this movie in particular has only 2 reactions and nothing in between. Absolute masterpiece and pure garbage. Personally i think it's fucking great, i LOVED it.
When people say "failure" it usually doesn't have to do with the actual plot or characters but more box office. And it was a box office failure, no doubt
@@brianbadonde9251 but the dude's analysis had a lot with the plot and characters. Which i sort of get? but also disagree with. So many parts he hated or got bored with i actually adored. Like the early escape attempts scenes.
Filaments is an idiot. He’s searching so hard for something to make the movie shit, but his points fall completely flat. He’s mad Carter wasn’t a superhero at the start of the film? That’s called ‘character development’. Crazy thing you find in movies sometimes. He’s annoyed Carter eventually learns how to control his jump? Yikes. Horrible idea. Carter definitely should have spent 2 hours of our time learning, instead of the film speeding that up for us. Dude is a joke.
I genuinely liked it as well because even though I was just a teenager when I watched it seemed to have such an amazing feel for "I just got pulled into something big" that other adventure movies never really seemed to do. Sure, they played fast and loose with certain things like him learning a language almost instantly but for the sake of the movie it was acceptable and I still like this movie despite not watching movies too often.
@@bittercaramel7652 Same here. I haven't seen John Carter in a while, but last time I saw it, I felt that it was a well-written movie, and John Carter himself was not dull. I felt he was a bright point in the film.
Like what Meet The Robinsons said, "Whenever you failed on something, keep moving forward." Unfortunately and ironically, Disney and other Hollywood studios never even learned anything. Keep the failures and blame it on someone else.
I picked up the books series after the rights reverted back. the sequels would have been amazing done right. You see where Star Wars got it's original inspiration.
I really liked this movie when I first saw it. Thought it was a good movie and was ready to see more of this type of movie. It's a shame this movie flopped. Tron and John Carter probably would have done better if they were released in 2018 or 2019.
Tron Legacy had a bad script though, JC was just so much better, and I say that as a mega fan of the original TRON film. Not to mention Jeff Bridges basically played old Flynn as The Dude 30 years later with a computer degree - combined with that and the over simplistic suit design (i basically just has LED strips inside of it) it all just looked like they were severely lazy on the pre production stage so that they could rush to filming and the CG post production. By comparison the original TRON looked like a work of art at the limit of what was possible when it was made - with 28 years worth pf CGI software improvement and hardware to run it they should have been able to do so much better with the design of it all.
As a big fan of the Barsoom series, I was beyond excited when this came out. My wife and I had read these on train rides across Russia. In Russia of all places, they actually did some marketing and it performed well. When we watched it on opening day in Imax 3D, overall, it was a positive experience. Sure, I was annoyed at the time wasted on framing and exposition, and I felt the changes from the book were generic and pointless, but there were many good scenes. I had the feeling of a struggle between a director wanting justice to the source material and execs trying to make it more marketable. Still though, a solid 6.5/10. When I found out nobody I knew in American had even heard of it, that the release was sabotaged, I was outraged. Purposely tanking your own film for internal politics and to justify no sequels? Not cool.
@mc finn no, it shows a difference of opinions. I think that John Carter the movie has become a hidden cult classic. In other words, a lot of a subset of people like the movie that a majority of average movie goers do not.
@@ndmenglish6002 nope, that's not it. The movie is good and most of the people who watch it will say the same, the problem is that I came across this movie and was surprised to know that it existed, normally I'm aware of the movies that are being put out and the ones that are coming up. That's the problem, marketing.
@@the_crypter which reviews? Critics ones? Audience rating summary is 4,7. That's the people, the moviegoers. The ones that matter, not those self-entitled pricks who know shit about what is good
Seriously: I love this film. It had solid performances, great action, a strong lead and a magnificent beautiful score. It had some structural problems, but they can be easily overlooked because it is all in all entertaining. I think the biggest problem is that it seemed generic, because the source material inspired all the high concept films we fell in love with since the 80s. When it got its own cinematic release we already knew a lot of the tropes. But I don't think it was pointless. It is basically the story about a man struggling to find his purpose, after loosing his family in the war. I think if the marketing would have been better it could have been financially successful. I'd recommend it to fans of sci-fi and fantasy.
Marketing, what marketing i didnt know about this movie until few years ago until i found it by accident, was bored and thought maybe ill try watching something i havent seen yet.
For me, John Carter's own backstory was too subtle and somewhat out of place even when I've rewatched it many times. As is the feeling when you tell a story about a character projecting instead of acting appropriately; it all messed up and about during his slaughter against the savage Thoks then the movie switched gears again from being personally emotional to about the cities; made John Carter's flashback about burying his own family seem like an underwhelming and out of place detail especially that it those Savage Thoks... Literally didn't do anything but knock John unconscious.
@@thenarrator1921 The loss of his family was his whole motivation. Serving his country cost him his family, which was why he he refused to willingly return to service. He mourned the fact he was not home in time to protect them. He wanted money and powers to choose the coarse of his own life. Not being there to protect his family was his biggest regret. The back flash scenes of him burying his family and falling to his knees a broken man during this battle you referred to, is his realization of his feelings for the princess and coming to the conclusion that sacrificing himself rather than letting her be hurt in way was his only choice. This is the heart of John Carter, and this scene brings me to tears every time. His amazing passion and courage to love despite his loss, and to protect those he loves at the cost of his own life is nothing but amazing. And lastly, the pile of bodies on top of him are all dead. Don’t forget, he is a highly decorated hero. He killed every one of them.
In the 1800s people would have included ‘ceres’ and other asteroids in the asteroid belt as planets. There was a period in the 19th century where objects were being discovered in the then undiscovered asteroid belt, it was unclear how big these objects were but they were assumed to be planets. People at the time might have believed there to be up to 20 planets in our solar system. Eventually the objects between Mars and Jupiter were reclassified, reducing the number of offical planets. Neptune was also discovered in this century, maybe even Uranus, if I remember correctly. The number of rocks John should have used would vary widely depending on the exact year the scene takes place, and the level of Johns education.
The youtuber : Painstakingly explains why the movie is bad and why it flopped. The comenters: It was a masterpiece, I don't get why don't people like it more!
The problem was that no one under 30 knew who John Carter was when the movie was released. Us old farts didn’t have that problem. Y’see, over the previous decade or so, the early Barsoom books started going public domain. No publisher really wanted to pay the licensing fees to publish a book that was going to be free for his competitors to publish in a couple years. And once the books started transitioning to public domain, no publisher really wants to have only the rights to publish one or two. So the books stopped being published. They disappeared from book stores (they were everywhere when I was a kid) and dropped from the public consciousness. So, modern youth, being unfamiliar with Tarzan, Barsoom, etc. didn’t really give a crap about them. And due to that unfamiliarity, they didn’t know that the Barsoom books were a major influence on Star Wars, Avatar, Superman, etc. Disney’s marketing also didn’t make an effort to promote them as seminal sci-fi works from one of the most influential authors of the last century. So they failed.
@@xheralt that seems like a big reason that both this and Lone Ranger flopped - people are only interested in stories they personally know from their own childhood. Those stories were from the childhood of the boomer generation, not the generation that makes movies into blockbusters. Fairy tales were stories all kids knew, and I would argue that thanks to the Disney versions, no one really reads their kids actual fairy tales any more, they just get the 'book of the movie' and usually the kids just prefer the movie. That's why Princess&The Frog didn't do so well, because the base fairy tale wasn't as universally known as the older generation of fairy tale. Kids were already raised on the movie versions of snow white, aladdin, cinderella, little mermaid.
@@xheralt As a novel series for which the Copyright has lapsed, there was no reason for Disney to not arrange a re-issue of the novels in support of the franchise and film. Disney took a literary masterwork, made a passable film from it, and then failed to support or promote it in an unimaginable fashion...to the point that I, a fan of the series, had no idea it had even released until I found the DVD at Walmart; I saw three online teasers on TH-cam (two of which were months before the movie actually released) and they didn't even convey any semblance of plot...they were simply a "Hey...so here's This Thing..." moment. The movie was fine...Disney lost $200M through their own sheer stupidity.
This has always been a curious one for me, because I saw it with a bunch of my mates at the cinema on opening night (and none of us had read the book) and yet we were properly in hysterical laughter by the time Carter stopped trying to escape from Bryan Cranston, and were totally invested in the film. Because that scene was a gag-scene. You're supposed to find it funny. But each to their own I guess.
The scene is pretty funny and an alright opening scene, but it doesn´t have anything to do with the movie. It doesn´t introduce his character in a way that is relevant to the rest of the movie. It also spending all its time with plot points that will never come up again and a visual style absent from the rest of the movie. Since there is strong visaul difference between scenes on earth and mars. That last one could be good, if it had been used to contrast something happening, but as it stands it just makes the early parts seem out of place. They don´t provide insight into a character which is then explored in the other world nor do they present a transition from our normal surroundings to a fantasy world as it did to the readers of the original novel. Sorry this got a little bit rambley
@@badvideosto It serves as a vehicle for Carter to end up in the cave with the bald guy and get teleported to Mars. It's a more interesting way to get there than Carter searching the desert for his cave of gold. It also sets up Carter's hatred of the Union who murdered his wife (though I think we find that out later and it would have worked better as part of this chapter) and as a rebel who has lost his cause. The Union praising their former enemy sets him up as a good fighter, leader and hero despite his present nihilistic outlook. I thought it worked well.
Adding to the list of the "Liked the movie despite its flaws." It kinda reminds me of the Venom situation, or rather the reverse. The beginning fits a book, maybe, or a miniseries, but for a movie it is too chaotic. Still, the properly unveiled parts were actually fun.
As a fan of the books I enjoyed the movie. But even I was confused at points because they blend plot elements from the first 3 books while using the plot from the 1st book.
Ironically, we could have had it MUCH sooner, too--Walt Disney was originally going to animate A Princess of Mars as The First Animated Film, before settling on Snow White instead! Imagine how the history of American animation might have been different if that had happened!
@@HandofOmega no, it was MGM studios that turned down the idea, thinking that a full length animated feature wouldn't make money. Bob Clampett, one of the Looney Tunes directors, loved the Mars series and was the one pushing for it to be made. He even had Burroughs' blessing and support cartoonresearch.com/index.php/bob-clampetts-john-carter-of-mars/ *Edited for incorrect studio
@@johnathanarcher6999 well if it was based on the Martian chronicles as opposed to princess of Mars it would have been a completely different movie...because that's a completely different book...
Take a script for three movies and pare it down into one movie when you realize that the 3 movies would cost over 800 million to make. Then pare that one movie down even more so that it only costs 200 million. This leaves you with a movie that barely touches on major plot points and no character development. They chose to lose 200 million rather than risk losing 800 million. The original idea was a first movie about Carter learning to function on Mars and him exploring it , picking up friends and learning about the history of this world ...then he meets the love of his life. A second movie was him becoming directly involved in the war raging on Mars to save the love of his life. Then being ambushed and telephoned back to Earth. The third movie was him finding a way back to Mars after 15 years and when he returns he finds his Wife's empire in shambles and befriends a teenaged boy who is surprisingly strong and fast for a Martian ( its his son ) and they set out to find and rescue the boys mother. Carter is 3 times stronger , and his reflexes are 6 times faster than a Martian. (He grew up on a world with 3x's Mars Gravity ) He had to unlearn his fear of heights , since terminal velocity on Bassoon is only 80 mph and it takes three times longer to reach that speed , Carter can safely jump down from a 50 ft height and he could survive a fall from 100 ft. (Bassoom's atmosphere is supposed to be thicker than Earths) He can bench press half a ton of mass , and compared to Martians his bones are nearly unbreakable and his skin is as tough as armor. He's basically a scaled down Superman. (Actually Superman is a scaled up version of John Carter) He's the evolutionary product of a high gravity world with hotter summers and colder winters....and the Martians arent.
I'd die for these 3 movies to happen its just so dissapointing, that it has much potential to equal avatar then they make it to flop, its so sad that thre are no movies anymore fuck.
George Lucas took a six part movie, broke it down it to a stand alone film which made him an empire. It can be done, if people can grasp their own limitations.
@@mrillis9259 it was originally a two part movie Allen Dean Foster wrote a script for the second movie called "Splinter of the Minds Eye". But Episode 4 was so successful that they scrapped the story and wrote two new episodes. But as I understand it they originally planned two movies "A New Hope" and "Splinter of The Minds Eye" with the hope the two movies would do well enough to create a trilogy about Anakin.(which was still unwritten) and then a final movie that tied up the story lines of Luke and Anakin. ( episodes 4, 5 , 1, 2, 3 and then 6 ) The only plot element that the two different episode 5's ("Splinter" and "Empire" ) had in common was the revalation that Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker. "Splinter" was largely set in a vast underground cave system as Vader and his two kids raced to find an ancient Sith artifact....it was actually turned into a fairly decent book.
Where is this 'meant for 3 movies' coming from? Princess of Mars isn't that dense. They pulled some concepts from later books into this, and added their own hugely unsatisfying changes to them. They introduced races like the Therns too early, compared to the books for instance, where it would have been the sequel to Princess of Mars. And then radically altered who they were. And then the next sequels would get into the other stand ins like the yellow martians, the chessmen of mars, the firstborn pirates, etc. There were hidden martian races of all colors that pretty much showed up by the end, that all hid from the main races in the story as it was starting out in the first book, here. Including the Therns, which again, was shown early. And completely devoid of who they really were (hint, they were not some godlike super advanced aliens that seed life on planets near and far and just wish people great distances in an instant. They were restricted to mars just like anyone else, and low in tech like that, even though higher than the red martians, the main society we get introduced to. John Carter instead more or less just wills himself to planets and back, through processes edgar rice burroughs never really explains, other than he really, really wanted to go to mars in an inexplicably powerful way. And then he was, shocking him at first. If they really, really wanted to rewrite the story to get him their believably, then let it be the caretakers of the great atmosphere creating plant, that uses secret tech none of the other races seem to have access to, and was surrounded in myth, and who JC saved in one of the earlier books. Let them have one of the secrets, and know he was somehow needed somehow, or had to get one earthman, and it was him. And then kinda not be able to do more with that (some lab accident, who knows). That would have been a more faithful rewrite. Instead, we have therns completely destroyed, and entire cultural and martian maps rewritten and relevant worldbuilding that was books in length, removed. If you want 3 movies due to more books being made, you should then realize that we could make a lot more than 3 movies. The story of Barsoom, the book series, from Edgar Rice Burroughs, was an awesome saga. Aka, much longer than a trilogy, and was closer to a dozen books than 3. And I enjoyed each and every one of them. Granted, some of the later books were kinda short, and probably would need one movie for 2 books, but at least about half of the books could have been their own movie. I think we can at least get 9 decently long movies from the entire Saga. 3? That either seems way to small, or way to big, depending on if you are doing princess of mars, or the entire saga.
So at 10:20 mark, Filmento: "the movie never establishes why he has to get back to earth" Me: What????!!!! Are you kidding me?! Ok, in all seriousness you telling me that a man who is marooned to a far and foreign land needs additional motivation to return home, especially after recently finding a literal fortune? I don't know about anyone else but not knowing anything about Carter as person around the 30 min mark and seeing him getting wisked to Mars that wasn't something I felt was missing. The change in his character at the end (spoiler alert) is that when he's sent to Earth against his will because now he wants to stay on Mars ( cuz John Carter of Mars ya'll) the thing he thought was most important to him at the beginning is now the tool he uses to return home (Mars) I know the movie is flawed and was a financial flop but your statement is a total misdiagnosis of the characters motivations. Which I guess supports your opinion it's a boring movie because that's pretty easy to piece together if it was holding your attention.
I think the problem is that his motivation wasn’t properly established. Sure, you can assume he wants to get back to Earth because it’s logical, however the movie never gives us any indication that this is true for John, other than a few statements. John is never established to have anything back on earth that he desperately wants to get back to, no family, no great goal he wants to fulfil (even his motivation to find the treasure wasn’t properly explained). Leaving the audience to assume the main character’s motivation is a flaw of this movie, in my opinion, and probably what Filmento meant. Feel free to criticise.
@@kingofdragonsgameplay1369 ngl but if people cant tell what his motiviation is after being put onto another literal planet in the 1800's idk what to do for smooth brained idiots.
Also when he said the princess has to have a reason as to not marrying a guy she's not interested in other than she doesn't want to. Lol her not wanting to is enough reason.
I watched this last night. It’s one of those movies you’re tempted to put on x1.5 speed just to get through it. There’s so much irrelevancy in it, for example that predatory city is seen once and plays no part in the story. It’s also really confusing and poorly explained, and I’ve read all the books.
I watched this in theatres in Thailand and when the aliens were talking in their own language it was subtitled in Thai. I had no idea what was going on 😂
I enjoy this movie, flaws and all. it’s entertaining and sometimes, you just want to be mindlessly entertained after a hard work week. The soundtrack is beautiful and probably the best thing tbh.
Really enjoyed it as well. I thought the whole concept was great. I remember thinking this was gonna be a hit movie and was so bummed when I heard others found problems with it. People critique way to much anymore
"be mindlessly entertained after a hard work week." this is actually the purpose of a blockbuster, but the fact that one particular group of ppl enjoyed it, doesn't mean it is good. The video is about this movie failing as a blockbuster, the flop at the box office shows why, the video shows how.
I bet Disney was like “hey Andrew Stanton, you made us lose 200 million dollars with John carter, so to make it up to us, you have to make finding dory”
I thought the movie was meh at first. Second time I liked it more. Now I love it. Don't know why it went down like that, but this movie was great. edit-Ah I get why I liked it more the second time now. Knowing where the story is going helps a lot. Dude is 100% spot on with his assesment. I remember wanting to leave the movie when I was in the theater lol.
This film will be "rediscovered" once enough people have seen it. It had outstanding effects and good performances, plus it is very strange. A 200m dollar hidden gem, if you will...
Second movie? Of the original books, it could have been like a 9 movie saga. Granted, it took huge liberties and destroyed an entire race by rewriting them (therns) to be completely different, and fundamentally removed how much of those sequels could have been written from that source material. The 2nd and 3rd movies would be unrecognizable and had to have been heavily adapted, even compared to this. If they wanted to keep with the original saga as source material anyway. I have to say though, I do love the movie. But the books were better, and way, way deeper in lore and worldbuilding. If you wanted to read them.
One theory explaining Disney's seeming deliberate mismanagement of the marketing was they were courting Lucas to sell S.W. at the time. Allowing this film to wither on the vine so Lucas wouldn't be concerned that his space opera franchise wouldn't receive undivided attention. An entire novel was written about this film's failure and what went wrong www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AFCZ1S4?pf_rd_r=BFPAX2B360E0XV3HT0D4&pf_rd_p=edaba0ee-c2fe-4124-9f5d-b31d6b1bfbee
Which is a little weird, since, if I were looking to sell a movie studio my legacy, a cultural icon, I would probably consider "the last film they made in this genre tanked so hard it's still looking for the bottom" to be something of a red flag :/
I mean, I'd argue most of the opening makes perfect sense to be like that. The second establishes that John is being stalked by someone, and that's why he fakes his death. The third is a little nod to the fact this is the author of the book series, and that he's kind of connected to the actual story, and he's the only one who can be trusted with this story. Then the fourth actually gets into the main plot.
I thought he faked his death so that he could go back to the other world. Knowing that his body would stay intact, he needed a way to have a care taker who would know his secrets, keep him protected, but not be startled if he came back one day.
@@leeluv96 He knew that one of the people from Mars was stalking him, and they would have the medallion he needed to get back, so he faked his death so that they would enter his tomb, and he could get the medallion off of them to go back to Mars.
A scene can be good and still problematic in the bigger picture. The idea of him repeatedly attempting to escape (I've heard this described as "resisting the plot" elsewhere) works on it's own, but with those repeated tension drops beforehand, it does slow the overall narrative down further at a point in the story where it should pick up speed again.
@@trynaletgo9450 Well then, sometimes it's a good thing that first impressions can be descieving. I'm usually perfectly capable of getting jokes without having them explained to me. My comment was just a result of my tendency to overanalyse stuff sometimes.
Agree with everything exept the scene where Jonh try to escape the army folks. It shows his character. That he will try and try and try to do what he wants. And its funny!
Same. I really enjoyed that scene. Going with Filemento's analogy of resetting the climax every attempt, I felt like there was a second climax counter building up. I go from Hmmm to Haaa every time he tries, but it serves to build maximum enjoyment when he finally escapes.
There are better ways to go about it. Like have him do multiple attempts but with increasing levels of shackles, guards, or more extreme punishment. They just sit him in the chair over and over and I'm supposed to be surprised? Comedy is about subverting expectations but as soon as the scene starts you get the "Joke". "Hahaha how hilarious that the main character wants to escape captivity!" Riveting. Because honestly that scene tells me nothing about him as an individual. Like what character in any story ever hasn't made escape attempts? That's being reactive and not being proactive. What does this tell me about John? That he really really doesn't want to be arrested. That's not a character quality.
@@tylercafe1260 They actually do precisely that. After the headbutt, they sit him down with the guards more alert, actual shackles, and the Col sits behind his desk. Then John tries going through the window. Then they throw him in the cell. The point is that John keeps trying to escape even when it's apparently futile. Not to mention how the Colonel keeps resuming his monologue, and finishes with "in short, a born fighter", when we've just seen ample proof of that three times.
@Főfasírozó Jurassic Park. It's the same as what the dude in this video says about John Carter: Multiple starts to the film and nothing really happening for a long time so we can get all the set-up in terms of who characters are and how the dinosaurs are even there. Heck, even the complaint about John Carter being passive in the action is the same as Jurassic Park. Characters, in that movie, aren't pushing the plot along; they're reacting to being pushed. Yet, Jurassic Park is an excellent movie. So, I really don't feel like the complaints in this video are valid. We've seen these elements in good movies. Speed, for example, has a protagonist who is constantly pushed rather than pushing the plot, and that's definitely not a boring movie. And really, the antagonist in a story is the one who pushes the protagonist anyway, so the antagonist is the one who pushes the story, not the protagonist who usually does what they do in reaction to the antagonist.
It's very good, it was just marketed all wrong - they clearly let the entire thing get made without reasoning out how and who to market it to. That ended with hardly anyone turning up to see it in cinema, I didn't see it until a year later on bluray but it is worth the price - I'm not a fan of the actor but he worked well for the part. Tomorrowland on the other hand was much less impressive for me, marketed like the best thing since sliced bread and just fell flat - that failure just put the final nail in the coffin for the TRON Legacy sequel, they are too risk averse to do anything but MCU and Star Wars (albeit they should have been more careful about SW too).
@@mnomadvfx I didn't see Tomorrowland, but it's a damn shame what happened to Tron Legacy. That movie had such a strong opening, and set up for a really good sequel. Plus Tron Uprising was top notch, and Disney just killed after a few episodes to only move it to a midnight slot, guaranteeing no one would watch it.
Tomorrowland had cool ideas and a great message, but it had wonky pacing and spent more time telling than showing, if I remember right. I remember really liking the villain for essentially being Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising, ranting about legitimate problems the world is facing and coming up with the most bonkers and dangerous solution to it all.
The dude that played john carter was in quite a few movies the very attractive indian women was in wolverine the one alien dude was in alot of movies there were star's lol
@@bcwright7768 lol you're referring to Taylor Kitsch (Friday Night Lights, Wolverine: Origins), Lynn Collins (also Wolverine: Origins) and Mark Strong (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy). There's also Dominic West, Bryan Cranston, Ciaran Hinds, Willem Dafoe, Samantha Morton, David Schwimmer, Jon Favreau. Plus the kid from Spy Kids lol (Daryl Sabara). Point being, there's plenty of star power. Theres a lot of stars, it's just that I don't think Taylor Kitsch is a great leading man. It's a personal guilty pleasure of mine tbh but it's not a great movie
I don’t have a dog in this fight but it’s weird that most comment on this video say that they love this movie but the video itself have more likes than dislikes
I'm with you on this. I actually love this movie. Check out the book "John Carter and the Gods of Hollywood", which explains all the behind the scenes issues that caused it to "fail".
Truth. I feel like most of these movies that I really liked ended up being a failure and I don't realize until I see a TH-cam video about it being a failure.
@UN KNOWN I watched it all. While I can agree with some of his points, I was literally at no point bored with this movie. This video won't change that experience.
The best writing advice my teacher ever gave me (back when I was writing a lot in high school) was to "show not tell". He said telling the reader everything is just boring and insulting to the reader. Which I feel like is a problem with a lot of movies that flop. They just tell you something is important to a character, or that something happened at some point to a character. However, it's boring to tell us about traits and events, instead of showing us why something us important to a character or the events that are integral to the plot.
John Carter felt more like a live-action He-Man movie. I did enjoy some parts of the movie especially the action but it has a pretty rocky start. The cliffhanger ending is a big mistake in my opinion.
@@EngineeringWizard11 I feel the movie should be a standalone story just like the original Star Wars(also partially based on the serialized Flash Gordon series) before it was relabeled Episode IV.
@@jdredalert Nothing to elaborate rly. Only to say that These now are the years for movies like this. Its like the people were not ready or smth. Anyway my opinion on how I see things.
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He does get pushed "into" circumstances, but chooses how he deals with those circumstances So, he's pushed by the plot, but at the same time, he makes bold choices that adhere to his character First thing that comes to mind is the finale of Goblet of Fire: He gets pushed into the fight with Voldemort not by his choice, but he fights with Voldemort by his own choice (he could have just chosen to give up, or run away, but he chose to stay with dead Cedric and fight Voldemort) Another reason that pushes Harry's choice in this scene is that he has clear motivation to fight Voldy, because he killed Harry's parents (therefore, adhering to his character) I'd argue that Harry isn't a passive character in that sense
@@mrscreechu even in his early years, the whole reason why stuff happens is because Harry refuses to sit around and go around exploring, specially in the Chamber of Secrets. One of his biggests assets is a cloack that allows him to go around invisible, nothing really passive about it - the moments when the plot pushes him are a natural consequence of a teenager protagonist surrounded by adult characters with their own motivations and agenda.
@@biazacha definitely agree... A teenager definitely gets pushed around by adults. Referencing Chamber of Secrets again, he is pretty much pushed around by the Weasleys (but albeit, in a good way) hehehe
@@mrscreechu I dunno...I never saw running or giving up as much of a choice. It's like if you're house is on fire it doesn't necessarily reveal much about character to run out of the house. I think they should have shown more of a viable alternative for Harry to somehow live peacefully and in safety if they wanted to show he was making a choice based on character to fight.
I remember going to watch this movie in theaters with the homie, and we were the only ones in the theater, so we lifted the arm rest down and laid down to watch it, that was a mistake, ended up sleeping through the whole movie. one minute this dude was flopping around on mars the next hes riding a dragonfly looking thing with a frog doggo chasing after him. 10/10 will fall asleep to this again, froggo doggo is the only reason to watch this movie
Basically filmento use Failure for most of his video content to make us see it, but when u see his review he also mention the good things about the movie. Every movie does have a weakness
Ahh i really like the movie very much and i really want a part two of it. He only killed two albino teleporter gods so i freakn want part two. Btw i highly freakin disaggree with this youtuber filminto dude.
Poor marketing and too much focus on spectacle. Each had great moments and plots with potential, but none of them were good enough to make the movie more than just mildly entertaining. Tron: great story about a father reconciling the time he threw away that could have been spent with his son. A super emotional plot thread that only partly hits and, does so, mainly due to great acting by Jeff Bridges. JC: could have been a good movie on the reluctance to stand up to those who commit evil. You have him placed in the 7th Cav and portray his family having been killed by natives. Maybe have him follow Custer into Wounded Knee and see his failure of blindly following an evil leader due to his hate and prejudice. It would give more weight into him trying to atone once he gets embroiled in Mars. Lone Ranger: Pick slapstick or serious. Tone is all over the place in that movie.
yeah completly disagree with filmento on that topic, I enjoyed john carter a lot, wans't bored at all. And I'm known to be a little hard to please film wise
Yeah the marketing was terrible for such a great movie. Years later it still has so much potential for a 2nd part. Personally Disney should invest on these types of unique movies and market them better rather then doing a bunch of digergitated remakes..!
I was HOOKED... and for whatever faults it had, at least it was faithful to its literary origins while also having an actual plot, characters that were already established in the original novels and also being far more involving and nuanced than most mainstream releases.
Although Disney has clearly shown how great they are at destroying "great" things as of late I do not agree this is one of them. I thoroughly enjoy John Carter and have never felt that it receives the deserved credit.
Filmento, I really appreciate this video! I have always been a super big fan of this movie, and have constantly wondered why it feels different. I really enjoyed the points that you made. They made me think about the movie differently, and on most of them I agree with you. You have great content, and the way you organized the video was really fluid. Looking forward to more content from you!
It is a great movie. Does nothing to the awesome justice and world I loved in the Barsoom series from the historically great author who penned The Princess of Mars (which this is based on), and botches executions of concepts and people in this film that were only introduced in later books, etc. But even as a pure movie standpoint, I liked it. But best of all time? Hell no. But I do think this suffered from terrible marketing. It could have sold more.
I did see John Carter in theaters, and I must admit, I loved it then, and I still love it. Maybe its because I was a kid and now love the nostalgia and the fights, but your points are still valid on why it wouldn't have appealed to most. For me, however, I was all in XD.
These were ooooolllllldddddd properties that many of the target viewers had very little to no recollection of. I remember the older folks hating the Lone Ranger because it was nothing like they grew up with. John Carter is so old that their are hardly anyone still alive that remembers when it was popular.
Disney's only mistake was underestimating the average stupidity of audiences these days. The Barsoom stories are incredible and the John Carter movie was magnificent, but most people can't see the difference between good stories/movies and bad ones ... which is why we'll never get to see the next two books on the big screen
@@twallpies9831 Yeah, they're really good and you can pick most of them up pretty cheap since they are public domain. The first book is pretty much the first movie, and then the rest explore his time on Mars.
@@twallpies9831 I would I've read the first two, I think you'd like the first one at the very least. What's cool is Burroughs writes it as a metafiction with himself being John Carter's cousin. A lot of things that didn't make much sense in the movie are explained well.
I liked John Carter, it had a interesting concept and really engaging storyline. It had lot layers of narrative tools to ease the viewers into the complex interactions of individual characters coupled with different planets, different time periods and different dynamics of each surrounding.
I would personally like to see you tackle "Kingsmen: The Golden Circle." I love the first movie so much and while the sequel wasn't terrible, it still lacked many of the traits that made the first film so good.
Honestly I’d rather Disney be making movies like this still than the array of pointless live action remakes they crap out every year
Amen.
I'd also like if they make some more 200mil flops, because they have already an obscene market share and need to be taken down a notch, in the interest of balance.
considering they are one of the strongest lobbyists for copyright and related censorship i"d like them to make as many of these as it takes to bankrupt them
I agree
they have to make remakes to protect their IP from going public.
All those Disney princesses and Disney DIDN'T want to call it "The Princess of Mars"??
Maybe John Carter is really a supporting character and the princess is meant to be the main character.
that when you know the thing going to bomb....
Actually there are marketing reasons for this. When "The Princess and the Frog" didn't do as well, Disney marketers assumed the name was too "old-fashioned" -- which is why Rupunzel was named "Tangeld" and The Snow Queen was called "Frozen"
Marketeers are idiots.
And “mars needs moms” had just failed.
@@tastyloaf5487 Both of those movies doing well really hurts your narative.
I just watched John Carter recently. I think the several failed attempts of John Carter trying to escape at the beginning actually works from a comedic perspective, as it also subverts the cliche of the protagonist being able to fight off a room full of several men.
It also worked well as a way of keeping character exposition interesting.
It's a fantastic sequence.
I think you can have some of that stop and starting, but then you need to cut the other sections that did the same thing.
That would work if the main character wasn't being pushed as an action hero. I mean, he's the namesake of the movie but is passive and isn't strong like an action hero is supposed to be, might as well have made somebody else the main
@Krishna Kris25 Hari Krishna
Thanks to Filmento, I now know how not make a 200 million dollars flop movie. Now, all I need is 200 million dollars.
You're into the good path, pal.
I say make a movie for $1000. When it fails to bring in any revenue, you have successfully beaten John Carter by $199,999,000.
Of course, you know what happens when you deliberately try to make a flop? _The Producers!_
@@onkelpappkov2666 good point actually.. Hhhmmm
Like me trying to talk to girls in middle school, its one thing knowing what not to do.... another thing knowing what TO do.
Yeah, I'll just agree with nearly everyone here: I enjoyed the hell out of this movie and the fact that it wasn't successful just makes me sad.
So many languages out there & u decide to speak facts.
@@PapaNihil-w3x so many creative jokes to use and you use the one everyone else uses. Pathetic sheep.
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@Goku Chichi ofc "Fim" is bad, it terminate every thing that you love or hate and nothing keeps going, we need to just move on and get over it.
Honestly quite a solid film! A very unique and different story with a plot that was surprisingly well developed. This definitely ranks among one of the most underrated films in recent times.
CONSTANTLY CLIMAXING AND STARTING OVER: a memoir of my time in quarantine
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Are you Japanese, yet?
IF there's an upshot of the COVID-19 lockdown (screw you, TH-cam! Changing the name of the condition doesn't change the condition itself!...😠), it's revisiting great, & the occasionally entertaining crap, books, TV, & movies.
Example - it's kinda hard to find them, but for a while in the '70s & '80s TV networks attempted to bring successful sci-fi movie series to the small screen. Except they didn't have the budgets or creativity (except in soundtracks) to get them right.
Furthermore, since TV tended to be safe & very episodic (no cable, satellite, or streaming back then), the showrunners tended to fall back on the same "act" format that came before. I call it "The Fugitive" syndrome. No slight meant to that great series - David Jansson was & is great, as was Barry Gray - but the way they formatted each episode - build conflict, intensify conflict, resolve conflict, set up next conflict - was done to death on these adaptations. But now, I can't resist them. They're truly so bad they're great!
The downside of course is that the networks' Standards & Practices drones demanded anything that could be construed by the Moms of the sunny South - mostly too much sex, graphic violence, language, drug use (except for smokes & booze) or any "controversial" subjects" - were verboten. Unfortunately, that's exactly what made the cinema versions great.
As a result, shows that COULD'VE been extremely great, like "Planet of the Apes", "Logan's Run" & "Beyond Westworld", were laughable in unintendedly humorous ways! Y'all can find some episodes of these online, including right here (see TH-cam monitoring drones! I can be nice as well!...👏🙃). They're quite the timekillers as well as a window into the near past.
underrated post lol
Don't we all?
I actually liked John Carter, it’s a shame really.
I blame the lack of marketing. I thought it was a good film.
SHAME ON YOU!
I wish that it had made enough money for the sequels. It was a lot of fun
The movie and the actor that plays john carter is ridiculously underrated..
The actor that plays John Carter is the one of the most bland, milquetoast pieces of plywood that Hollywood has ever tried to turn into a movie star.
@@arthurrimbaud7287
Whoa Milk toast
Yeah, so underrated that even you didn't know his name hahahaha fuck off film
Didn't really feel like I said something that would make people mad LoL your right I forgot his name.. Congrats bro you got me. Rejoice.. I know his name is Taylor something.. Last time I saw him was in 21 bridges. Another good movie.
I actually enjoyed the movie. I feel like most people just hop on the hate bandwagon without ever watching it.
"He has no dog in this war." Filmento making a discreet joke; that's exactly what the main villain tells John Carter.
At least his name wasn't John Connor, or else he would have been killed off in the first 10 minutes of the movie
Too soon lol
HAH! Too true...
@@chaburchak I was abou to comment the same! ;)
Way too soon lol
*OOF*
Shocked how badly this film did, its an amazing film if you haven't seen it then you should watch it I guarantee majority of you will love it, its unique concept, great acting visuals, directing etc and the ending twist is brilliant... Man I wish this film was a big hit and was more well known
Read the books, my friend…Not on the big screen but you can envision a sequel from the magnificent imagination and incredible storytelling.
"We don't know why he wants a cave full of gold."
So he can be rich? That feels self-explanatory.
That's functionally everything that Jack Sparrow wants in all the Pirate movies, right? And there's a series of vids worshiping those.
I think the cave full if gold is all he has left, after losing his family. That and his grief are the only things that bind him to earth.
At the end he learns to let go of his grief and that he can have a family with Dejah.
@@brendanbabin6315 eh not really. Jack wants freedom above all else. Yes he wants to pilage and loot and all of that but that is never at the heart of the conflict of any movie, thus not his motivation in the scenarios we see him.
In the first movie he wants the black pearl back because that ship represents the freedom of the high seas and the pirate life.
In the second&third davy jones is chasing him, thus limiting what he can do, and so he seeks to be free of this.
Movie 4&5 are pretty much the same as the others, just worse and you get the point. Blackbeard has the black pearl = no freedom. Salazar chasing jack = no freedom.
Any way i still agree with the statement that being rich is a good motivation BUT only if you establish why the character wants to be rich.
ok rant over have a good day
@@brendanbabin6315 Jack Sparrow doesn't want a cave full of gold lmao, where did you hear that?
Jack's character is a lot more complex (based on his choices and how they drive the plot) than John
There's a reason as to why the first three pirates movies were so successful, while Carting around on Mars was not
@@mrscreechu yes because jack had 3 movies to develop, carter only one ... if you consider only the first Pirates of the Caribbeans there's not that much to it lol
Its a shame cuz I really liked the film. I dont remember ever really being bored watching it. It was just too intriguing to me.
Same here
Of course you enjoyed the movie, becouse is well written and directed, excellent special effects and ok acting...
Lol. That movie was horrible. If it was actually good it would've caught on later like several other movies that flopped in theaters but are cult classics.
@@notallowed337 flopped becouse wasnt hyped
@@rutrem09 lol it was horrible
This was not a failure, but extremely bad marketing . one of the best sci-fi I've ever seen.
the film should have been 3 hrs.
This a joke?
i don't know why but this movie in particular has only 2 reactions and nothing in between. Absolute masterpiece and pure garbage. Personally i think it's fucking great, i LOVED it.
@elmreros my brothers and I adored it but my highschool friend thought it was the worst film in existence. It weirded me out.
When people say "failure" it usually doesn't have to do with the actual plot or characters but more box office. And it was a box office failure, no doubt
@@brianbadonde9251 but the dude's analysis had a lot with the plot and characters. Which i sort of get? but also disagree with. So many parts he hated or got bored with i actually adored. Like the early escape attempts scenes.
I personally like John Carter. I thought it was a pretty unique movie.
Same
Extremely enjoyable for sure
I also enjoyed it
I enjoyed it too
That's why it failed - not mainstream enough.
i actually did really like this movie while i was young when it first came out but i’ve rewatched it and man i enjoyed it
It's sort of become a Waterworld or a Tron. No shame in that at all.
I think this guy is just judging movie because it has been a financial failure. His perspective is just one dimensional
Filaments is an idiot. He’s searching so hard for something to make the movie shit, but his points fall completely flat.
He’s mad Carter wasn’t a superhero at the start of the film?
That’s called ‘character development’. Crazy thing you find in movies sometimes.
He’s annoyed Carter eventually learns how to control his jump?
Yikes. Horrible idea.
Carter definitely should have spent 2 hours of our time learning, instead of the film speeding that up for us.
Dude is a joke.
I actually feel like this is an underrated film. I quite liked it and blame the marketing for its failiure
Same here, I thought it was better than most other blockbusters.
Me too
I used to like it when it came out but only now realize how overall _poor_ it really is
Not a terrible movie, not a great one either
I genuinely liked it as well because even though I was just a teenager when I watched it seemed to have such an amazing feel for "I just got pulled into something big" that other adventure movies never really seemed to do. Sure, they played fast and loose with certain things like him learning a language almost instantly but for the sake of the movie it was acceptable and I still like this movie despite not watching movies too often.
I love it, but I’ve never saw any of its marketing and advertising
Best failure I’ve ever seen. Would love to see more failures like this, and add sequels to those failures👍🏽
Allen James agree, I think this movie is good to be honest.
@@bittercaramel7652
Same here. I haven't seen John Carter in a while, but last time I saw it, I felt that it was a well-written movie, and John Carter himself was not dull. I felt he was a bright point in the film.
Like what Meet The Robinsons said, "Whenever you failed on something, keep moving forward."
Unfortunately and ironically, Disney and other Hollywood studios never even learned anything. Keep the failures and blame it on someone else.
Totally agreed
To all who commented before: read the book, best adventure novel of all times, and compare. You'll know why the Disney imposture is a failure.
Watched it several times and hoped for a sequel for years. Such a great movie. Hard to believe it was a failure
I picked up the books series after the rights reverted back. the sequels would have been amazing done right. You see where Star Wars got it's original inspiration.
I really liked this movie when I first saw it. Thought it was a good movie and was ready to see more of this type of movie. It's a shame this movie flopped. Tron and John Carter probably would have done better if they were released in 2018 or 2019.
Tron Legacy had a bad script though, JC was just so much better, and I say that as a mega fan of the original TRON film.
Not to mention Jeff Bridges basically played old Flynn as The Dude 30 years later with a computer degree - combined with that and the over simplistic suit design (i basically just has LED strips inside of it) it all just looked like they were severely lazy on the pre production stage so that they could rush to filming and the CG post production.
By comparison the original TRON looked like a work of art at the limit of what was possible when it was made - with 28 years worth pf CGI software improvement and hardware to run it they should have been able to do so much better with the design of it all.
or if they had better plot
As a big fan of the Barsoom series, I was beyond excited when this came out. My wife and I had read these on train rides across Russia. In Russia of all places, they actually did some marketing and it performed well. When we watched it on opening day in Imax 3D, overall, it was a positive experience. Sure, I was annoyed at the time wasted on framing and exposition, and I felt the changes from the book were generic and pointless, but there were many good scenes. I had the feeling of a struggle between a director wanting justice to the source material and execs trying to make it more marketable. Still though, a solid 6.5/10. When I found out nobody I knew in American had even heard of it, that the release was sabotaged, I was outraged. Purposely tanking your own film for internal politics and to justify no sequels? Not cool.
Tars was such a cool character in the books
do you recommend reading the book(s)?
@@momin9739 Some of the best action adventure books of all time. Classics that you can get for pretty cheap and I'd definitely recommend
@@momin9739 The books are timeless. If you like adventure, read.
I've read the first 3 and I love this movie.
When I hear Tars I only think of the robot from interstellar
I just learned recently that it flopped. I liked the movie. Wasn’t great but it was fine.
Yep, I enjoyed it.
no
@@ThelastArchdemon47 that's, like, your opinion man.
i agree, i enjoyed it back in middle school. don't know how i would feel now. but it was always pleasant in my memory
yeah... same here
This was actually a pretty enjoyable Disney movie imo.
Much more so than all the live action crap they're feeding us now.
Comment section: "I really liked this movie, I can't understand why it was a failure."
@mc finn no, it shows a difference of opinions. I think that John Carter the movie has become a hidden cult classic. In other words, a lot of a subset of people like the movie that a majority of average movie goers do not.
@@ndmenglish6002 no, most people that have seen this movie like it. The thing is that most people haven't seen it.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn i mean the reviews downright disagree with that logic
@@ndmenglish6002 nope, that's not it. The movie is good and most of the people who watch it will say the same, the problem is that I came across this movie and was surprised to know that it existed, normally I'm aware of the movies that are being put out and the ones that are coming up. That's the problem, marketing.
@@the_crypter which reviews? Critics ones?
Audience rating summary is 4,7. That's the people, the moviegoers. The ones that matter, not those self-entitled pricks who know shit about what is good
Seriously: I love this film. It had solid performances, great action, a strong lead and a magnificent beautiful score. It had some structural problems, but they can be easily overlooked because it is all in all entertaining.
I think the biggest problem is that it seemed generic, because the source material inspired all the high concept films we fell in love with since the 80s. When it got its own cinematic release we already knew a lot of the tropes.
But I don't think it was pointless. It is basically the story about a man struggling to find his purpose, after loosing his family in the war. I think if the marketing would have been better it could have been financially successful. I'd recommend it to fans of sci-fi and fantasy.
I couldent agree more
Marketing, what marketing i didnt know about this movie until few years ago until i found it by accident, was bored and thought maybe ill try watching something i havent seen yet.
For me, John Carter's own backstory was too subtle and somewhat out of place even when I've rewatched it many times. As is the feeling when you tell a story about a character projecting instead of acting appropriately; it all messed up and about during his slaughter against the savage Thoks then the movie switched gears again from being personally emotional to about the cities; made John Carter's flashback about burying his own family seem like an underwhelming and out of place detail especially that it those Savage Thoks... Literally didn't do anything but knock John unconscious.
@@thenarrator1921 The loss of his family was his whole motivation. Serving his country cost him his family, which was why he he refused to willingly return to service. He mourned the fact he was not home in time to protect them. He wanted money and powers to choose the coarse of his own life. Not being there to protect his family was his biggest regret. The back flash scenes of him burying his family and falling to his knees a broken man during this battle you referred to, is his realization of his feelings for the princess and coming to the conclusion that sacrificing himself rather than letting her be hurt in way was his only choice. This is the heart of John Carter, and this scene brings me to tears every time. His amazing passion and courage to love despite his loss, and to protect those he loves at the cost of his own life is nothing but amazing. And lastly, the pile of bodies on top of him are all dead. Don’t forget, he is a highly decorated hero. He killed every one of them.
Are you dumb?
Your vids are getting better and better. Thanks.
>10:32
>John laying out rocks in order to point out Earth
>Story is set in the 1800s
>There are nine rocks
>Pluto was discovered in 1930
oof
@Mcheetah
>Points out a small inconsistency
>"nIcE tRy cInEmAsInS wAnNaBe"
Nice try, CinemaSins fanboy.
@Mcheetah It ruins my immersion and violates THE LORE
In the 1800s people would have included ‘ceres’ and other asteroids in the asteroid belt as planets.
There was a period in the 19th century where objects were being discovered in the then undiscovered asteroid belt, it was unclear how big these objects were but they were assumed to be planets. People at the time might have believed there to be up to 20 planets in our solar system.
Eventually the objects between Mars and Jupiter were reclassified, reducing the number of offical planets.
Neptune was also discovered in this century, maybe even Uranus, if I remember correctly.
The number of rocks John should have used would vary widely depending on the exact year the scene takes place, and the level of Johns education.
AND Pluto should have never been considered a planet to begin with
Uh, no. Deja Thoris is the one who set up the rocks, not Carter. So its perfectly reasonable that she would have used nine of them.
The youtuber : Painstakingly explains why the movie is bad and why it flopped.
The comenters: It was a masterpiece, I don't get why don't people like it more!
This was a great movie analysis though.
Didn't know we weren't allowed to disagree.
@@JonoSSD Ofc bubba
i think filmento also said it had a lot of emjoyable scenes, before showing the holes in MC dvpt and the story
It was poorly marketed just like Dredd.
Part of the "movies that were, not even something, they just were." collection
It didn't help that nobody knew who John Carter is when the film was released
The problem was that no one under 30 knew who John Carter was when the movie was released. Us old farts didn’t have that problem.
Y’see, over the previous decade or so, the early Barsoom books started going public domain. No publisher really wanted to pay the licensing fees to publish a book that was going to be free for his competitors to publish in a couple years. And once the books started transitioning to public domain, no publisher really wants to have only the rights to publish one or two. So the books stopped being published. They disappeared from book stores (they were everywhere when I was a kid) and dropped from the public consciousness.
So, modern youth, being unfamiliar with Tarzan, Barsoom, etc. didn’t really give a crap about them. And due to that unfamiliarity, they didn’t know that the Barsoom books were a major influence on Star Wars, Avatar, Superman, etc. Disney’s marketing also didn’t make an effort to promote them as seminal sci-fi works from one of the most influential authors of the last century. So they failed.
One has to be of a certain age to know who he was. Which excludes most current movie audiences.
@@xheralt that seems like a big reason that both this and Lone Ranger flopped - people are only interested in stories they personally know from their own childhood. Those stories were from the childhood of the boomer generation, not the generation that makes movies into blockbusters. Fairy tales were stories all kids knew, and I would argue that thanks to the Disney versions, no one really reads their kids actual fairy tales any more, they just get the 'book of the movie' and usually the kids just prefer the movie. That's why Princess&The Frog didn't do so well, because the base fairy tale wasn't as universally known as the older generation of fairy tale. Kids were already raised on the movie versions of snow white, aladdin, cinderella, little mermaid.
@@xheralt As a novel series for which the Copyright has lapsed, there was no reason for Disney to not arrange a re-issue of the novels in support of the franchise and film.
Disney took a literary masterwork, made a passable film from it, and then failed to support or promote it in an unimaginable fashion...to the point that I, a fan of the series, had no idea it had even released until I found the DVD at Walmart; I saw three online teasers on TH-cam (two of which were months before the movie actually released) and they didn't even convey any semblance of plot...they were simply a "Hey...so here's This Thing..." moment.
The movie was fine...Disney lost $200M through their own sheer stupidity.
@@EmbassyNerdcore I dunno. Lord of the Rings became a thing only after the movies.
This has always been a curious one for me, because I saw it with a bunch of my mates at the cinema on opening night (and none of us had read the book) and yet we were properly in hysterical laughter by the time Carter stopped trying to escape from Bryan Cranston, and were totally invested in the film. Because that scene was a gag-scene. You're supposed to find it funny.
But each to their own I guess.
Bryan Cranston, huh?
@@chaburchak Yeah, Bryan Cranston.
Who do you think that is he is headbutting at 6:33?
@@The_Reviewist I didn't even know he was in the film until I read your comment.
The scene is pretty funny and an alright opening scene, but it doesn´t have anything to do with the movie. It doesn´t introduce his character in a way that is relevant to the rest of the movie. It also spending all its time with plot points that will never come up again and a visual style absent from the rest of the movie. Since there is strong visaul difference between scenes on earth and mars. That last one could be good, if it had been used to contrast something happening, but as it stands it just makes the early parts seem out of place. They don´t provide insight into a character which is then explored in the other world nor do they present a transition from our normal surroundings to a fantasy world as it did to the readers of the original novel.
Sorry this got a little bit rambley
@@badvideosto It serves as a vehicle for Carter to end up in the cave with the bald guy and get teleported to Mars. It's a more interesting way to get there than Carter searching the desert for his cave of gold.
It also sets up Carter's hatred of the Union who murdered his wife (though I think we find that out later and it would have worked better as part of this chapter) and as a rebel who has lost his cause. The Union praising their former enemy sets him up as a good fighter, leader and hero despite his present nihilistic outlook.
I thought it worked well.
Damn - WHO ARE YOU? Your excellent deconstruction of so many films is a real pleasure to watch! Thanks for all your work. Highly appreciated.
Adding to the list of the "Liked the movie despite its flaws." It kinda reminds me of the Venom situation, or rather the reverse. The beginning fits a book, maybe, or a miniseries, but for a movie it is too chaotic. Still, the properly unveiled parts were actually fun.
As a fan of the books I enjoyed the movie. But even I was confused at points because they blend plot elements from the first 3 books while using the plot from the 1st book.
venom sucked ass. it would have been a much better movie if they treated it more like an R rated buddy cop movie.
Can't believe you don't have more subs dude, your input and commentary is top class.
He's good - its probably because of the childish overediting.
And his editing is hilarious
@@AManCalledDutch his editing is what makes him different from others the slight humour is unique
Honestly and seriously some of the best commentary and editing. I always enjoy his videos so much it's ridiculous.
10:03 Audience: ''Wait, you can fly!?''
John Carter: ''No, jump good.''
*End credits*
I am John Carter and I wish everyone would stop telling me to jump!
Again, I liked this movie a lot. And not just because I have the same name. Damn it Disney, we could've had a whole Martian Chronicle franchise!
If this movie was based off the Martian chronicles instead of the princess of mars it might have been better
Ironically, we could have had it MUCH sooner, too--Walt Disney was originally going to animate A Princess of Mars as The First Animated Film, before settling on Snow White instead! Imagine how the history of American animation might have been different if that had happened!
@@HandofOmega Dude...
@@HandofOmega no, it was MGM studios that turned down the idea, thinking that a full length animated feature wouldn't make money.
Bob Clampett, one of the Looney Tunes directors, loved the Mars series and was the one pushing for it to be made. He even had Burroughs' blessing and support
cartoonresearch.com/index.php/bob-clampetts-john-carter-of-mars/
*Edited for incorrect studio
@@johnathanarcher6999 well if it was based on the Martian chronicles as opposed to princess of Mars it would have been a completely different movie...because that's a completely different book...
Take a script for three movies and pare it down into one movie when you realize that the 3 movies would cost over 800 million to make.
Then pare that one movie down even more so that it only costs 200 million.
This leaves you with a movie that barely touches on major plot points and no character development.
They chose to lose 200 million rather than risk losing 800 million.
The original idea was a first movie about Carter learning to function on Mars and him exploring it , picking up friends and learning about the history of this world ...then he meets the love of his life.
A second movie was him becoming directly involved in the war raging on Mars to save the love of his life.
Then being ambushed and telephoned back to Earth.
The third movie was him finding a way back to Mars after 15 years and when he returns he finds his Wife's empire in shambles and befriends a teenaged boy who is surprisingly strong and fast for a Martian ( its his son ) and they set out to find and rescue the boys mother.
Carter is 3 times stronger , and his reflexes are 6 times faster than a Martian.
(He grew up on a world with 3x's Mars Gravity )
He had to unlearn his fear of heights , since terminal velocity on Bassoon is only 80 mph and it takes three times longer to reach that speed , Carter can safely jump down from a 50 ft height and he could survive a fall from 100 ft.
(Bassoom's atmosphere is supposed to be thicker than Earths)
He can bench press half a ton of mass , and compared to Martians his bones are nearly unbreakable and his skin is as tough as armor.
He's basically a scaled down Superman.
(Actually Superman is a scaled up version of John Carter)
He's the evolutionary product of a high gravity world with hotter summers and colder winters....and the Martians arent.
I'd die for these 3 movies to happen its just so dissapointing, that it has much potential to equal avatar then they make it to flop, its so sad that thre are no movies anymore fuck.
The guy said that this movie is based on 1900th book, Disney didn't write it.
George Lucas took a six part movie, broke it down it to a stand alone film which made him an empire.
It can be done, if people can grasp their own limitations.
@@mrillis9259 it was originally a two part movie
Allen Dean Foster wrote a script for the second movie called "Splinter of the Minds Eye".
But Episode 4 was so successful that they scrapped the story and wrote two new episodes.
But as I understand it they originally planned two movies "A New Hope" and "Splinter of The Minds Eye" with the hope the two movies would do well enough to create a trilogy about Anakin.(which was still unwritten) and then a final movie that tied up the story lines of Luke and Anakin.
( episodes 4, 5 , 1, 2, 3 and then 6 )
The only plot element that the two different episode 5's ("Splinter" and "Empire" ) had in common was the revalation that Vader was actually Anakin Skywalker.
"Splinter" was largely set in a vast underground cave system as Vader and his two kids raced to find an ancient Sith artifact....it was actually turned into a fairly decent book.
Where is this 'meant for 3 movies' coming from? Princess of Mars isn't that dense. They pulled some concepts from later books into this, and added their own hugely unsatisfying changes to them. They introduced races like the Therns too early, compared to the books for instance, where it would have been the sequel to Princess of Mars. And then radically altered who they were. And then the next sequels would get into the other stand ins like the yellow martians, the chessmen of mars, the firstborn pirates, etc. There were hidden martian races of all colors that pretty much showed up by the end, that all hid from the main races in the story as it was starting out in the first book, here. Including the Therns, which again, was shown early. And completely devoid of who they really were (hint, they were not some godlike super advanced aliens that seed life on planets near and far and just wish people great distances in an instant. They were restricted to mars just like anyone else, and low in tech like that, even though higher than the red martians, the main society we get introduced to. John Carter instead more or less just wills himself to planets and back, through processes edgar rice burroughs never really explains, other than he really, really wanted to go to mars in an inexplicably powerful way. And then he was, shocking him at first. If they really, really wanted to rewrite the story to get him their believably, then let it be the caretakers of the great atmosphere creating plant, that uses secret tech none of the other races seem to have access to, and was surrounded in myth, and who JC saved in one of the earlier books. Let them have one of the secrets, and know he was somehow needed somehow, or had to get one earthman, and it was him. And then kinda not be able to do more with that (some lab accident, who knows). That would have been a more faithful rewrite. Instead, we have therns completely destroyed, and entire cultural and martian maps rewritten and relevant worldbuilding that was books in length, removed.
If you want 3 movies due to more books being made, you should then realize that we could make a lot more than 3 movies. The story of Barsoom, the book series, from Edgar Rice Burroughs, was an awesome saga. Aka, much longer than a trilogy, and was closer to a dozen books than 3. And I enjoyed each and every one of them. Granted, some of the later books were kinda short, and probably would need one movie for 2 books, but at least about half of the books could have been their own movie.
I think we can at least get 9 decently long movies from the entire Saga. 3? That either seems way to small, or way to big, depending on if you are doing princess of mars, or the entire saga.
A movie can be good.
A movie can be bad.
They still can entertain.
Yet if it's boring I stay the hell away.
I loved the ending, such an epic checkmate when he shoots the guy in the back outside the tomb
The first time I watched this movie, at the end I taught I was up for sad ending ngl
So at 10:20 mark,
Filmento: "the movie never establishes why he has to get back to earth"
Me: What????!!!! Are you kidding me?!
Ok, in all seriousness you telling me that a man who is marooned to a far and foreign land needs additional motivation to return home, especially after recently finding a literal fortune?
I don't know about anyone else but not knowing anything about Carter as person around the 30 min mark and seeing him getting wisked to Mars that wasn't something I felt was missing.
The change in his character at the end (spoiler alert) is that when he's sent to Earth against his will because now he wants to stay on Mars ( cuz John Carter of Mars ya'll) the thing he thought was most important to him at the beginning is now the tool he uses to return home (Mars)
I know the movie is flawed and was a financial flop but your statement is a total misdiagnosis of the characters motivations. Which I guess supports your opinion it's a boring movie because that's pretty easy to piece together if it was holding your attention.
I think the problem is that his motivation wasn’t properly established. Sure, you can assume he wants to get back to Earth because it’s logical, however the movie never gives us any indication that this is true for John, other than a few statements.
John is never established to have anything back on earth that he desperately wants to get back to, no family, no great goal he wants to fulfil (even his motivation to find the treasure wasn’t properly explained).
Leaving the audience to assume the main character’s motivation is a flaw of this movie, in my opinion, and probably what Filmento meant.
Feel free to criticise.
@@kingofdragonsgameplay1369 ngl but if people cant tell what his motiviation is after being put onto another literal planet in the 1800's
idk what to do for smooth brained idiots.
Also when he said the princess has to have a reason as to not marrying a guy she's not interested in other than she doesn't want to. Lol her not wanting to is enough reason.
@Patricio Escamilla Mues I'm pretty sure is still the same case: that would be redundant.
@@kingofdragonsgameplay1369 But it's obvious why he needs to return, you don't need to explain the motivation.
I watched this last night. It’s one of those movies you’re tempted to put on x1.5 speed just to get through it. There’s so much irrelevancy in it, for example that predatory city is seen once and plays no part in the story. It’s also really confusing and poorly explained, and I’ve read all the books.
I don't know, man, I liked the movie. Didn't know that it was a failure.
i watched it with a bunch of friends,we all liked the movie,even the girls...
don´t know what´s wrong with filmento :D
@@hansdampf640 yeah man, this movie is good. I don't know this movie failed.
I was pretty bumped when i found out it failed too. Everyone of us that was went and almost everyone i talked to about it loved it.
had the same feeling with lone ranger. couldnt even imagine those blew so much money
Apparently Tron was a failure too, I like all of those movies and thought they turned out really good. I even watched them multiple times too!
I actually liked this film, but never got to see it until years after it was out of the theater.
Me too. It wasn't a bad adventure. Pretty good actually.
Me too. I rather enjoyed it.
I watched this in theatres in Thailand and when the aliens were talking in their own language it was subtitled in Thai. I had no idea what was going on 😂
I enjoy this movie, flaws and all. it’s entertaining and sometimes, you just want to be mindlessly entertained after a hard work week. The soundtrack is beautiful and probably the best thing tbh.
Same. Actually watched it a few times just to be entertained.. i wasn't really sure why it flopped..
Really enjoyed it as well. I thought the whole concept was great. I remember thinking this was gonna be a hit movie and was so bummed when I heard others found problems with it. People critique way to much anymore
@@bcwright7768 Why are they not blindly gobbling shit up and pay money like good consumers?
"be mindlessly entertained after a hard work week." this is actually the purpose of a blockbuster, but the fact that one particular group of ppl enjoyed it, doesn't mean it is good. The video is about this movie failing as a blockbuster, the flop at the box office shows why, the video shows how.
I bet Disney was like “hey Andrew Stanton, you made us lose 200 million dollars with John carter, so to make it up to us, you have to make finding dory”
It made 70 million profit
I thought the movie was meh at first. Second time I liked it more. Now I love it. Don't know why it went down like that, but this movie was great.
edit-Ah I get why I liked it more the second time now. Knowing where the story is going helps a lot. Dude is 100% spot on with his assesment. I remember wanting to leave the movie when I was in the theater lol.
You should really check out Rango, it’s a lot like Pirates of the Caribbean.
But better, in my opinion.
That movie is a masterpiece. I can watch it again and again without being bored.
Fahim Alvi YES!
Doesn't hurt that Johnny Depp is the lead like in Pirates
It's directed by the same director who directed Pirates of the Caribbean.
This film will be "rediscovered" once enough people have seen it.
It had outstanding effects and good performances, plus it is very strange.
A 200m dollar hidden gem, if you will...
LMAO
So ppl really confuse taste and quality
João P hard to watch a movie if you’ve never heard of it.
Harder to watch a bad movie...
João P harder still, to read your first comment....
200m isn't what it cost, it's what it lost.
It cost over 300m to make and "market".
John carter is probably one of my favorite movies and it always makes me sad to see it wasn’t getting a second movie.
Second movie? Of the original books, it could have been like a 9 movie saga. Granted, it took huge liberties and destroyed an entire race by rewriting them (therns) to be completely different, and fundamentally removed how much of those sequels could have been written from that source material. The 2nd and 3rd movies would be unrecognizable and had to have been heavily adapted, even compared to this. If they wanted to keep with the original saga as source material anyway.
I have to say though, I do love the movie. But the books were better, and way, way deeper in lore and worldbuilding. If you wanted to read them.
One theory explaining Disney's seeming deliberate mismanagement of the marketing was they were courting Lucas to sell S.W. at the time. Allowing this film to wither on the vine so Lucas wouldn't be concerned that his space opera franchise wouldn't receive undivided attention.
An entire novel was written about this film's failure and what went wrong
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AFCZ1S4?pf_rd_r=BFPAX2B360E0XV3HT0D4&pf_rd_p=edaba0ee-c2fe-4124-9f5d-b31d6b1bfbee
Which is a little weird, since, if I were looking to sell a movie studio my legacy, a cultural icon, I would probably consider "the last film they made in this genre tanked so hard it's still looking for the bottom" to be something of a red flag :/
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Disney needed to poison the John Carter well so no other studio would pick up the franchise again.
I mean, I'd argue most of the opening makes perfect sense to be like that. The second establishes that John is being stalked by someone, and that's why he fakes his death. The third is a little nod to the fact this is the author of the book series, and that he's kind of connected to the actual story, and he's the only one who can be trusted with this story. Then the fourth actually gets into the main plot.
I thought he faked his death so that he could go back to the other world. Knowing that his body would stay intact, he needed a way to have a care taker who would know his secrets, keep him protected, but not be startled if he came back one day.
@@leeluv96 He knew that one of the people from Mars was stalking him, and they would have the medallion he needed to get back, so he faked his death so that they would enter his tomb, and he could get the medallion off of them to go back to Mars.
@@munromister777 I literally said he faked his death to go back. It's my first sentence. Of course, I didnt say why he needed to go back but...
I get that, I was just explaining what the guy stalking him had to do with him faking his death and his desire to go back to Mars.
Thank you. Now I understand why I did not understand this movie when I watched it as a kid.
the will smith"yeah" every rewind is killing me
6:44 Yeah Im gonna disagree with you on this. Those cuts were an amazing joke. I loved that scene(s)
Yupp
Made me laugh, haha, loved it😄
A scene can be good and still problematic in the bigger picture.
The idea of him repeatedly attempting to escape (I've heard this described as "resisting the plot" elsewhere) works on it's own,
but with those repeated tension drops beforehand, it does slow the overall narrative down further at a point in the story where it should pick up speed again.
Michael T. Damn I don’t want to smart shame you but you sounded like a guy who would need explanation to every joke.
@@trynaletgo9450 Well then, sometimes it's a good thing that first impressions can be descieving.
I'm usually perfectly capable of getting jokes without having them explained to me.
My comment was just a result of my tendency to overanalyse stuff sometimes.
Fun Fact! The movie came out on the 100th anniversary of the story.
Agree with everything exept the scene where Jonh try to escape the army folks. It shows his character. That he will try and try and try to do what he wants. And its funny!
Same. I really enjoyed that scene. Going with Filemento's analogy of resetting the climax every attempt, I felt like there was a second climax counter building up. I go from Hmmm to Haaa every time he tries, but it serves to build maximum enjoyment when he finally escapes.
There are better ways to go about it. Like have him do multiple attempts but with increasing levels of shackles, guards, or more extreme punishment. They just sit him in the chair over and over and I'm supposed to be surprised? Comedy is about subverting expectations but as soon as the scene starts you get the "Joke". "Hahaha how hilarious that the main character wants to escape captivity!" Riveting. Because honestly that scene tells me nothing about him as an individual. Like what character in any story ever hasn't made escape attempts? That's being reactive and not being proactive. What does this tell me about John? That he really really doesn't want to be arrested. That's not a character quality.
@@tylercafe1260 They actually do precisely that. After the headbutt, they sit him down with the guards more alert, actual shackles, and the Col sits behind his desk. Then John tries going through the window. Then they throw him in the cell. The point is that John keeps trying to escape even when it's apparently futile. Not to mention how the Colonel keeps resuming his monologue, and finishes with "in short, a born fighter", when we've just seen ample proof of that three times.
I really liked the dog-like alien he had on Mars. It's cute
yeah, the secondary character designs are interesing,
but to be honest, the spaceships with rows are SUPER COOL!
the dog-frog guy is a sweety tho
I actually thought John Carter was about someone who jumps 😂😂😂
Also my favourite film is The Grand Budapest Hotel, a very well-received movie. I don't think slow starts are enough to ruin a movie.
I LOVE heavy dialogue movies...and that one tops most!
@Főfasírozó
Jurassic Park. It's the same as what the dude in this video says about John Carter: Multiple starts to the film and nothing really happening for a long time so we can get all the set-up in terms of who characters are and how the dinosaurs are even there. Heck, even the complaint about John Carter being passive in the action is the same as Jurassic Park. Characters, in that movie, aren't pushing the plot along; they're reacting to being pushed. Yet, Jurassic Park is an excellent movie. So, I really don't feel like the complaints in this video are valid. We've seen these elements in good movies. Speed, for example, has a protagonist who is constantly pushed rather than pushing the plot, and that's definitely not a boring movie. And really, the antagonist in a story is the one who pushes the protagonist anyway, so the antagonist is the one who pushes the story, not the protagonist who usually does what they do in reaction to the antagonist.
When i saw this i was wondering "how the f didnt i see this on the movie theater" i didnt even knew this existed
Poor John Carter hated his own movie so much he kept trying to escape 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This was made by Disney? Well, i guess it was so much of a failure that i had never even heard of it.
Same
It's very good, it was just marketed all wrong - they clearly let the entire thing get made without reasoning out how and who to market it to.
That ended with hardly anyone turning up to see it in cinema, I didn't see it until a year later on bluray but it is worth the price - I'm not a fan of the actor but he worked well for the part.
Tomorrowland on the other hand was much less impressive for me, marketed like the best thing since sliced bread and just fell flat - that failure just put the final nail in the coffin for the TRON Legacy sequel, they are too risk averse to do anything but MCU and Star Wars (albeit they should have been more careful about SW too).
@@mnomadvfx I didn't see Tomorrowland, but it's a damn shame what happened to Tron Legacy. That movie had such a strong opening, and set up for a really good sequel. Plus Tron Uprising was top notch, and Disney just killed after a few episodes to only move it to a midnight slot, guaranteeing no one would watch it.
Tomorrowland had cool ideas and a great message, but it had wonky pacing and spent more time telling than showing, if I remember right. I remember really liking the villain for essentially being Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising, ranting about legitimate problems the world is facing and coming up with the most bonkers and dangerous solution to it all.
No stars? This movie has The Guy from phenomenal CGI masterpiece Spy Kids 3: Game Over.
The dude that played john carter was in quite a few movies the very attractive indian women was in wolverine the one alien dude was in alot of movies there were star's lol
@@bcwright7768 lol you're referring to Taylor Kitsch (Friday Night Lights, Wolverine: Origins), Lynn Collins (also Wolverine: Origins) and Mark Strong (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy).
There's also Dominic West, Bryan Cranston, Ciaran Hinds, Willem Dafoe, Samantha Morton, David Schwimmer, Jon Favreau. Plus the kid from Spy Kids lol (Daryl Sabara). Point being, there's plenty of star power.
Theres a lot of stars, it's just that I don't think Taylor Kitsch is a great leading man. It's a personal guilty pleasure of mine tbh but it's not a great movie
I don’t have a dog in this fight but it’s weird that most comment on this video say that they love this movie but the video itself have more likes than dislikes
9:00 Oh man that John Cartered around joke really caught me off guard.
Honestly, I liked most of this movie. But I'm personally not picky with movies.
I'm with you on this. I actually love this movie. Check out the book "John Carter and the Gods of Hollywood", which explains all the behind the scenes issues that caused it to "fail".
I am picky and I still like it.
It's quite good
I liked the movie and i can say i loved it. It was good. A science + magic fiction
I’ve listen to so much Sinatra that every time Filmento says “In other words” I expect him to say “hold my hand” afterwards.
I actually liked this movie. Then again I liked the Lone Ranger too...
Yikes
Dont tell anyone...but I did too, I thought it was because everyone set my expectations so low.
You can like whatever you want. Don't let others tell you what to think
Truth. I feel like most of these movies that I really liked ended up being a failure and I don't realize until I see a TH-cam video about it being a failure.
Yoo i love lone ranger
I really liked John Carter. I didn’t think it was boring at all.
Agreed!
Same
Yes, did you watch the video?
@UN KNOWN I watched it all. While I can agree with some of his points, I was literally at no point bored with this movie. This video won't change that experience.
I was very bored watching it.
The best writing advice my teacher ever gave me (back when I was writing a lot in high school) was to "show not tell". He said telling the reader everything is just boring and insulting to the reader. Which I feel like is a problem with a lot of movies that flop. They just tell you something is important to a character, or that something happened at some point to a character. However, it's boring to tell us about traits and events, instead of showing us why something us important to a character or the events that are integral to the plot.
John Carter felt more like a live-action He-Man movie. I did enjoy some parts of the movie especially the action but it has a pretty rocky start. The cliffhanger ending is a big mistake in my opinion.
Yeah the ending is fucked up cus i still waiting for sequel XD :(
Just read the books Haha that's exactly how the first book ends
There was supposed to be a sequel, genius.
Did you read the books, though? There were 11 in the series. A lot of them had cliffhangers. They'd clearly intended to make a run of these films.
@@EngineeringWizard11 I feel the movie should be a standalone story just like the original Star Wars(also partially based on the serialized Flash Gordon series) before it was relabeled Episode IV.
This movie had one error...
And that is it was released in a wrong year.
Why is that? Mind to elaborate?
@@jdredalert Nothing to elaborate rly. Only to say that These now are the years for movies like this. Its like the people were not ready or smth. Anyway my opinion on how I see things.
@@lobofka.1543 Or perhaps it still was a bad movie. 'Wild wild west' did pretty well despite released already in 1999
Disney got some CEO's with their own pet projects and this got in the way of their vision. They deliberately sank the movie by bad marketing.
It seems you cannot use your brain properly.
I’ve been. Inge watching your videos for a week or so now and I can’t tell you how much I love your channel. Fantastic, smart, entertaining content. Keep up the great work
Weird. I really dug the "Carter keeps trying to escape." And I frankly kind of loved this movie...
Funniest scene in the movie if you ask me :D
I actually really like John Carter and The Lone Ranger, but I still recognise their shortcomings
Same, John Carter is really funny and has a legitimately great concept
Yeah, I remember enjoying it in theaters. But it's been years since the. A rewatch may provide a less than rosy reception.
Same here.
I can relate at least we can understand what went wrong
Huzzah! A man of quality
The only reason why I remember this movie is because of all the ads in between the Disney channel shows I used to watch
The quality of your memes have increased so much
I feel like Harry Potter is a lot like a character that just gets pushed around by circumstance.
Same.
He does get pushed "into" circumstances, but chooses how he deals with those circumstances
So, he's pushed by the plot, but at the same time, he makes bold choices that adhere to his character
First thing that comes to mind is the finale of Goblet of Fire: He gets pushed into the fight with Voldemort not by his choice, but he fights with Voldemort by his own choice (he could have just chosen to give up, or run away, but he chose to stay with dead Cedric and fight Voldemort)
Another reason that pushes Harry's choice in this scene is that he has clear motivation to fight Voldy, because he killed Harry's parents (therefore, adhering to his character)
I'd argue that Harry isn't a passive character in that sense
@@mrscreechu even in his early years, the whole reason why stuff happens is because Harry refuses to sit around and go around exploring, specially in the Chamber of Secrets. One of his biggests assets is a cloack that allows him to go around invisible, nothing really passive about it - the moments when the plot pushes him are a natural consequence of a teenager protagonist surrounded by adult characters with their own motivations and agenda.
@@biazacha definitely agree... A teenager definitely gets pushed around by adults.
Referencing Chamber of Secrets again, he is pretty much pushed around by the Weasleys (but albeit, in a good way) hehehe
@@mrscreechu I dunno...I never saw running or giving up as much of a choice. It's like if you're house is on fire it doesn't necessarily reveal much about character to run out of the house. I think they should have shown more of a viable alternative for Harry to somehow live peacefully and in safety if they wanted to show he was making a choice based on character to fight.
I remember going to watch this movie in theaters with the homie, and we were the only ones in the theater, so we lifted the arm rest down and laid down to watch it, that was a mistake, ended up sleeping through the whole movie. one minute this dude was flopping around on mars the next hes riding a dragonfly looking thing with a frog doggo chasing after him. 10/10 will fall asleep to this again, froggo doggo is the only reason to watch this movie
The only truly valid comment I’ve seen under this video 😂
Jokes on you! I actually went to the cinema and watched it with my father.
We were the only ones there.
*2
I don’t know why everyone calls it a failure, I loved the movie
I think the 200 million dollar loss is where people get the failure part from.
Same. Actually I thought it was a lot better than the critics said. I also quite liked water world and the Lone Ranger tbh.
Same like the movie somehow, would like to see where the story goes.
Basically filmento use Failure for most of his video content to make us see it, but when u see his review he also mention the good things about the movie. Every movie does have a weakness
Ahh i really like the movie very much and i really want a part two of it.
He only killed two albino teleporter gods so i freakn want part two.
Btw i highly freakin disaggree with this youtuber filminto dude.
Tron, John Carter, The lone Ranger
Great ideas, fun movies, *shit marketing*
Poor marketing and too much focus on spectacle. Each had great moments and plots with potential, but none of them were good enough to make the movie more than just mildly entertaining. Tron: great story about a father reconciling the time he threw away that could have been spent with his son. A super emotional plot thread that only partly hits and, does so, mainly due to great acting by Jeff Bridges. JC: could have been a good movie on the reluctance to stand up to those who commit evil. You have him placed in the 7th Cav and portray his family having been killed by natives. Maybe have him follow Custer into Wounded Knee and see his failure of blindly following an evil leader due to his hate and prejudice. It would give more weight into him trying to atone once he gets embroiled in Mars. Lone Ranger: Pick slapstick or serious. Tone is all over the place in that movie.
Was going to say this about Tron and John Carter. I feel there's a place for them both on Disney +.
I liked all three. And Tron didn't do *that* badly, i don't know why they gave up on it so quickly.
yeah completly disagree with filmento on that topic, I enjoyed john carter a lot, wans't bored at all. And I'm known to be a little hard to please film wise
Yeah the marketing was terrible for such a great movie. Years later it still has so much potential for a 2nd part. Personally Disney should invest on these types of unique movies and market them better rather then doing a bunch of digergitated remakes..!
I was HOOKED... and for whatever faults it had, at least it was faithful to its literary origins while also having an actual plot, characters that were already established in the original novels and also being far more involving and nuanced than most mainstream releases.
it was a good movie. the villain was one of the best I have seen. I didn't see John winning in any scenario. and that's why the ending was even better
i remember watching his multiple times when i was young and i loved it
@@koksu5692 its really underated.
Although Disney has clearly shown how great they are at destroying "great" things as of late I do not agree this is one of them. I thoroughly enjoy John Carter and have never felt that it receives the deserved credit.
Filmento, I really appreciate this video! I have always been a super big fan of this movie, and have constantly wondered why it feels different. I really enjoyed the points that you made. They made me think about the movie differently, and on most of them I agree with you. You have great content, and the way you organized the video was really fluid. Looking forward to more content from you!
This is actually one of my favorite movies of all time.
lol
It is a great movie. Does nothing to the awesome justice and world I loved in the Barsoom series from the historically great author who penned The Princess of Mars (which this is based on), and botches executions of concepts and people in this film that were only introduced in later books, etc.
But even as a pure movie standpoint, I liked it. But best of all time? Hell no.
But I do think this suffered from terrible marketing. It could have sold more.
You need to see more movies
@@MachoMan_Vert no doubt lol
I did see John Carter in theaters, and I must admit, I loved it then, and I still love it. Maybe its because I was a kid and now love the nostalgia and the fights, but your points are still valid on why it wouldn't have appealed to most. For me, however, I was all in XD.
he is a mere passenger rather than the driver of the plot and action of the sequence
"it's like going on a journey to find the answer to a question that hasn't been asked"
That's 42.
Jonh Carther and Lone Ranger period in theathers: "Why are we still here, just to suffer?"
These were ooooolllllldddddd properties that many of the target viewers had very little to no recollection of. I remember the older folks hating the Lone Ranger because it was nothing like they grew up with. John Carter is so old that their are hardly anyone still alive that remembers when it was popular.
Watch Resurrection. That movie is the definition of suffering.
Disney's only mistake was underestimating the average stupidity of audiences these days. The Barsoom stories are incredible and the John Carter movie was magnificent, but most people can't see the difference between good stories/movies and bad ones ... which is why we'll never get to see the next two books on the big screen
I'm gonna go ahead and still love this movie while continuing to watch it at least once a month.
I loved this movie and the books were even better. Shame it flopped.
Yeah and the books where pretty meta E.R. Burroughs was the nephew.
I liked this movie quite a lot especially the concepts it introduced would you recommend the books?
@@twallpies9831 Yeah, they're really good and you can pick most of them up pretty cheap since they are public domain. The first book is pretty much the first movie, and then the rest explore his time on Mars.
@@DeadRabbitRadio thanks man I'll look into them
@@twallpies9831 I would I've read the first two, I think you'd like the first one at the very least. What's cool is Burroughs writes it as a metafiction with himself being John Carter's cousin. A lot of things that didn't make much sense in the movie are explained well.
I tried to watch this film couple times but fell asleep every time
I liked John Carter, it had a interesting concept and really engaging storyline. It had lot layers of narrative tools to ease the viewers into the complex interactions of individual characters coupled with different planets, different time periods and different dynamics of each surrounding.
I would personally like to see you tackle "Kingsmen: The Golden Circle." I love the first movie so much and while the sequel wasn't terrible, it still lacked many of the traits that made the first film so good.
I can suspend my disbelief pretty high, but after watching him floor the gas pedal and seeing the car drive SIDEWAYS, I had to turn it off.
@@MrHantz101 bruh have you never seen videos of the people of Saudi Arabia doing that shit like its fucking popping a wheele
@@MrHantz101 bruh what the kingsmen did was tame compared to this shit th-cam.com/video/kMuCpnSy_EM/w-d-xo.html