Orb's Collaboration During the First Bloody Valentine War (Ft. Gundam Astray) [Gundam Seed Lore]
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▶Intro:
This Ain't The End Of Me by White Comic
▶Outro:
8-bitified version of Believe
▶OSTs Used:
Endless Battle (Encounters in Space OST)
Shot of Honor (Encounters in Space OST)
Firing range (Gundam Seed OST)
Saikai to Ketsubetsu (Gundam Seed OST)
Zeonic Front OST
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Lowe: "I don't want to use my beam sabers, even in life threatening situations, because it costs money to recharge the Red Frame's battery."
Gai: "Lowe, it's either the money or your life. Which is more important?"
*Lowe starts to ponder indecisively*
Gai: "....Seriously?"
Thats why astray blade is more worthful use than any beam weapon.
Eat easy to slash, high heat resistance and no energy need it
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 indeed
If He Meat Wu Fi Gundam Nataku,with that he might certainly Win.
Kinda silly because gai preferred armor Schindler knives of anything
@@Matanumi yeah, Gai greatly preferred physical weapons over beam ones for similar reasons. That's why the Full Weapon Equipment load out has little to no beam weaponry. This is because of how rare Phase Shift were at the time.
Even when Phase Shift got more popular, Gai already has a non-beam anti-PS tool, the Tactical Arms, which is strong enough to ignore the Phase Shift armor's kinetic energy reduction to damage the internals of the enemy machine or even straight up damage the pilot.
What do you mean Lowe can’t use the power of friendship, he’s just following the example of his fellow headband wearing Gundam pilot, Domon Kasshu.
You know, I didn't realize the low level parallels until you mentioned it.....
He is sort of an homage to Domon isn't he?
@@MaddJakd well, he is domon look alike, only what separate him that lowe was optimistic and cheerful
Didn’t Lowe casually toss out like 1.6 million on a BuCUE head at auction?
I’m pretty sure he could afford the money to use his beam sabers 🤦🏻♂️
He did, it's shown in the OVA.
Well that's basically is his hobby, tinkering with tech. He cried out when he lost that bucue head lol.
Nah you see that 1.6 million is the 1.6 million he saved from not using the beam sabers lmao
He did ended up having something far more valuable in that BuCUE head, and that is data from a Sword Calamity
and they could have nuclear powered MS........
8:10 TBF the Tactical Arms is one of the best Gundam Swords of all time.
Once again, Astray being the saviour of the SEED franchise 😂😂
It's a mop up manga really to make up for the gaps that people with bad analysis to understand :).
@@jdexcalibur1989 naw....astray couldn't even fix the bullshit from destiny- destiny astray took place before and finished before destiny did... Delta astray and vs astray did nothing to help destiny and went on another direction
@@Matanumi your point :) but not a good one as if astray failed to do anything good. Really? Zero? Hahahaha i doubt that.
How the f*ck astray could become saviour? It's two different units with little to no similarity...
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(Yeah, bad jokes. I'm aware. I just wouldn't let it stop me from writing this.)
To clarify, when I said that the Federation was creating MS together with Morgenroete, I meant the Atlantic Federation. This wasn’t a mixup, because it was specifically the Atlantic Federation and not the Earth Alliance as a whole that was involved in this. (as we saw when the Archangel docked at Artemis)
When's the Guncannon development history?
Also could you cover all the different mobile armors from the UC timeline?
Just have some questions to ask, is Murrue Ramius part of the Atlantic Federation as Technical personal for the G-weapon project (and treat as disposable in the Alaska JOSH-A battle ....causing her to defect) or she is part of Eurasia Federation????? Since they expressively said many of Earth Alliance soldier die during JOSH-A are part Eurasia Federation!!!!!
@@yukin1990 She's part of the Atlantic Federation since everyone who were involved in the G-Weapons project were all from the Atlantic Federation. The only minor difference is that Murrue and everyone who were involved were all chosen personally Admiral Halberton (because he wanted those who did not share the same ideology as other AF soldiers who were like Blue Cosmos). As for the Technical side, its really hard to say since SEED didn't really delve much on the side characters.
@@brandonscott4808 they could have at least some of the Atlantic Federation Soldier and Government people Rebel against Blue Cosmos,to Show that not all People in North America and South America Share the Twist ideas of Logos that made them Stated the war in the First place,And Try to overthrow them for making them do very Wrong thing's to the people in the Plants and in the Colonies and on Human kind on Earth for there Corrosion.
@@ashockmizer914 They definitely could have, especially since the United States of South America were more supportive towards the PLANTS at the start of the 1st Bloody Valentine War. And given that the USSA did fight for their independence after the 2nd Battle of Jachin Due (which is told in Gundam Seed Destiny Astray manga).
chotto a minute, you can't just yeet nihongo at the end just like that
Nani the hell?!
@@matohibiki YAMETEKUDASTOP
OSAKABEHIME!!!
"Lowe using the power of his nakama to power up his kokoro" is my new favorite quote
This shows just how untapped is CE's potential. The materials are already there but the proper execution is what exactly it needed.
The astray series always been my favorite since they have more variation of seed MS.
Plus Lowe is a normal person without powers, his a mechanic. Something we can support a character
Ah, yes - it won't be a Gundam Seed without a strong plot armor for the protagonist.
The Protagonist of Gundam seed Charter's are Wicked to the core.
Lowe uses as much plot armor as any other Gundam series main characters like shiro surviving and beating a high mobility test Zaku with a ball or dodging a 105mm rifle muzzle gun from a Zaku 1!
Only Patrick the Immortal has more unexplainable plot armor than Jesus Yamato!
Actually in astray R lowe mentioned that the astray's beam sabers were too overpowered and it eats a lot of the ms energy
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out Lowe had made his beam sabers inoperable so as to save up on the energy and cash.
Lowes a mechanical genius... but he's also kind of a shot-sighted dope.
The BuCue head incident being the clearest example.
In the manga Lowe managed to get the Red Frame to do a Shoryukin... It was an accident
Probably the BuCue beam saber uses far less power usage than the astray red frame.
Besides, recharging a mobile suit shouldn’t be an issue if you uses solar energy on his ship.
Cost power waste and other stuff.
Plus I’m pretty sure his team use beam weapons too.
Also he wasted $2M on a buecue head and left it in the middle of nowhere, while fighting shino in her CGue deep arms!
@@lordalpharius5928 well, he did managed to get valuable data from the BuCue head I.E a copy of the data of the sword calamity.
Lowe : spends huge number of money to buy bucue head
also Lowe : doesnt want to use beam saber because it cost money
I mean to be fair its probably because of those large spending moments that he tries to cut corners elsewhere for when they inevitable happen again.
Well he not has a rich Girlfriend that give his boyfriend two gundams , Lowe had to survive from the Scraps,parts and Junk and he not has the divine powers of Kira but had xtreme luck (saved by his broken sword )
So, in a certain point of view, the Sahaku Family is practically the "Imperial Japan" to the Athha Family more "idealized Japan" while the Seirans is, well believe it or not as some Japanese people still feel this way, is the current modern Japan that "sold their soul" (surrendered) to the American (in Orbs case, the Earth Alliance), which is a well, for them a cowardly and shameful act. Anyway thats just my stupid theory, dont need to take it too seriously lol!
The ruling elites started the war and when it turn out to be a failure, they quickly collaborated with the occupation forces that benefited from it again while screwing their own people in the way yet again.
To the Sahaku Family Ideas for Power and Leadership,Rhondo Sahaku was a Corrupted Coordinator,who Mind in Conquering the World Through Orbs Power.like Hitler and Blue Cosmos Wicked leaders.
Earth alliance isn’t much a unified front, just say it was the Atlantic Federation- seed’s equivalent to a superstate version of the USA.
But yes, you are right
@@ashockmizer914 coordinators or natural, they’re still humans; being genetically modified doesn’t erase human hubris. Both Gilbert Durandal & Patrick Zala are guilty of that human fallacy as much as any leader of blue cosmos that uses their anti-coordinator ideology to control humanity like any other corrupt elite Earthnist organizations in Gundam.
@@lordalpharius5928 Durandal has hubris? The Destiny Plan might've had its flaws and setbacks, but it was the only feasible plan for peace that made sense between ORB, ZAFT and the Earth Federation. In addition to that, by wiping out the leaders of Blue Cosmos, Durandal had stripped the establishment of its power to proliferate war and that's a lasting impact even after the DP's failure due to Durandal's death.
Kira has plot armor
Lowe have plot sword
Sad because sunrise airing destiny instead astray.
Astray had best character developement, best storyline and most importantly best mobile suit design.
Sad they didnt air it.
Sunrise should make astray series for upcoming future after their finish re rise project. Sadly it would not go well
Since people said sunrise will start making gundam 00 s3 project for upcoming future.
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 Stargazer is proof enough that if you take away the spotlight from Kira, you will have an amazing story.
@@akumaten some people said stargazer bad its that true?
Or it just hater who doesnt appreciate seed series?
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 Well good and bad are subjective. I personally thought it was good.
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 Stargazer is solid. Cosmic Era has such a lot of potential that can be on par with UC.
The Sahakus are coordinators? Damn thats the second time that fooled me (Shiho was pretty normal looking until I later find out)
Most corronators look pretty normal- even kira himself looks more like a natrual
wasn't it because the first time Lowe used the astray's beam saber, it drained the Astray battery instantly?
To save up on battery consumption and the need to better control how much collateral damage his melee weapon causes. I think he tried to brace himself to a ship with a beam saber once and sure enough, he slid and carved the ship’s exterior like it was a tuna prepped for sushi.
@Falcon Shadow Nova so that is why astray red and blue using high resistance melee weapon instead beam saber so they can save more energy from reactor is that true?
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 astray red and blue are battery powered......
@@yukin1990 is astray backpack had function recharge energy for beam saber.
Like Example if one of beam saber out of energy their placed those beam back on backpack to recharge its energy.
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 umm...thing is...the Astray is battery powered. The energy used to power up those beam sabers comes from the same battery used to power up...well, the whole machine. And I doubt the backpack has enough space to have an extra, dedicated battery there
Awesome perfect timing! Can watch this while on break.
the Sahaku Family is my fave Seed family i adore Mina her policy is different than expected and i LOVE her Gold Frame
That's one of SEED's strong points. It has a very good extended universe that not all series outside of the UC have.
I have to feel like there was some initial intent to animate far more of this stuff..... and then drama ruined it all.
Being concieved as an intended parallel to the UC, and the intense love for SEED in the homeland, I really have to wonder what gives.
@@MaddJakd
My guess is it had something to do with Unicorn and the Build Fighters series.
At the time Seed was in production, UC was pretty much not getting any animated adaptations. So there was a spot for it, considering it was originally intended to be a second attempt at rebooting UC. But after Unicorn and Build Fighters both ended up doing very well. And the death of 1 of Seeds lead directors. That might have put a hold on any plans to adapt the other Seed side stories. Though apparently we're still getting that Gundam Seed Movie they planned on making way back in the early 2010s. It's just been pushed back to almost 2025 and onward due to the pandemic.
@@KyanbuXM Personally I would just do a reboot since you can't really do much with a film, given how SEED and DESTINY left things on a bad or mixed note.
ORB 😍
Never Ending Tomorrow 😍😈
OG S.E.E.D. 😍
The Astrays 💗
ORBs M.O.S. Generation.Updated.Netral.Drive.Almadic.Mechnise
The astray gold frame was my first and only real grade kit
Also my first RG! Accompanied by 4 more atm with more to come lol
Get the Red Frame too, it's still a really good kit.
I hope bandai make AGF to MG soon
Yeah that's one of the best things about the astray series it literally adds more backstory to the universe I mean at the point of how much stuff there is for the astray series and how pretty much none of it affects the main timeline Bandai and sunrise should start on a Gundam Seed astray anime cuz I mean it's been almost 20 years like 15 or 16 at the most sense Destiny originally aired and they haven't really done much with that series and plus it would allow us to see the regenerate as well as the Testament and the Dreadnought Gundams and we would also get the sword calamity the green frame The Mirage frame the astray Noir the Mars jacket the outframe the outframe D the astray the jump Guild building the civilian astray units the M1A that was piloted by Barry ho before he got the green frame we get the knowledge on how Kira survived when athrun blew up the Aegis and that he was brought to the Reverend we get to see the younger sister of Heinz the pilot of the orange gouf and Destiny Gundam piloting her deep arms cgue vs lowe when he got the short lived bacue beam blade gauntlet
I love these lore stories.
I’m new here and I like this 😂 I knew there was more to seed😂 so satisfying!!!
Everytime i see Astray content i get flashbacks to SD Gundam Capsule Fighters (gundam gasha game for Pc) were i first encountered the astray colour frames and started my search for more Astray Content as they are among my favourite suits in all Gundam shows.
hey kakarot, when would you make the video of the EA mobile armors?
love these kind of videos though
I second that. Also on that note, what about the Proto-Chaos, which is the only dedicated ZAFT mobile armor I know exists?
Always fascinated me how SEED's take on the MAs was both similar and different from the UC take.
Moooree!!!!! CE extended universe
Thank you for the Japanese "See you next time" Kakarot197! Looking forward to the next!
You still need to make a video on the development of the astray gundams
In the MV of the Gundam SEED Astray song "Zips", there was a scene there were Lowe and Gai fought together against Rondo... I assumed that was happened... But apparently not -_-
I guess the manga didnt do that bec a) they wanted Lowe to beat Rondo as a "David vs Goliath" thing and make Lowe look "cool"... But i also think that b) the Astray Gold Frame Amatu may not pose too much of a challenge against 2 other Astrays of about equal combat prowess with skilled pilots.
Can you do more videos on the Sahaku family? This is very interesting.
It would be AWESOME if you did Gundam lore on the Testament Gundam/Gundam Astray Out Frame from the Gundam Seed Astray Manga and the MHF-01Ω Gundam Lord Astray Ω from Gundam Seed Astray princess of the sky manga. Keep up the awesome work man!!
The battle reminds me of Gundam Physailis vs Zepheranthes and Blue Destiny unit 2 vs unit 3.
So, now I'm curious about red frame Kai, and red dragon. Would you do a video covering those?
Kakarot can you please review the HGUC Rozen Zulu Episode 7 version?
The full fight of Red Frame and Gold Frame was shown in one of the cut scene of Generation of CE Game but its in Japanese
I'm curious, does anyone know a good site to read the astray mangas or can English versions be bought? They have such a rich story to them I want to read but I can't find anywhere that does an online English version or sells English copies
With this information that would also provide some information and explanation on ORB-01 Akatuski ( Since it share with same frame as strikes and with the golden shiny beam reflective armor equal around 20 M1 Astray........ The two types weapons pack on ORB-01.......) We know ORB-01 Akatuki developed during CE 71 First Bloody Valentine's War "borrowed" from the GAT-X 105 strike frame......and we also know it's weapons, armor, those two weapons packs are still incomplete at the end of the 1st Bloody Valentine's war. Also, the development of five G-weapons, the Atlantic Federation are having technology to develop beam weaponry ....
Does anyone have a suggestion for a cloth I am working on a lupus rex but it would turned into something like a exia repair.
so the Sahaku's are like the Cosmic Era equivalent of the Zabi family? also what happened to the 5th Astray Gundam after the destruction of Heliopolis?
Recovered by a group called "Librarian Works", who rebuilt it from the ground up into Mirage Frame.
Hey, I have a question: When did Beam Technology become advanced enough that Beam Spray Guns were replaced with Beam Rifles
(Basically when is the latest UC date that Beam Spray Guns weren't considered outdated beyond use)?
I think beam spray guns were mainly used as a cost-saving measure early on. The focusing coil in a beam rifle is very expensive early on, and it was much cheaper to make a shorter one, hence the spray guns being much more proliferate. By Zeta Gundam, the GM II had a beam rifle, after all.
Basicly think of them as stamp steel guns, cheap functional but low quality
@@matohibiki And 1st gen GM was meant to quick mass-produced, so "cheap-arse" beam spray gun suitable for this condition. Another beam riffle beside that RX-78-2 used already exist, but they always utilized by more better spec ms than standard GM, i.e. : Ground type Gundam, Ez8, RX-78-4/5/6, and Blue Destiny 2/3.
@@seabookarno1664 Good points. Don't forget the beam 'sniper' rifle the Guncannons used.
how were all astrays stolen, and how did they lamded on the hands of ther respective pilots
This is Gundam Seed remember, Gundams are as easy to steal as any car in GTA.
Red and Blue frame where initially found by Lowe with Gai being sent to recover them both. Lowe would let Gai keep the Blue frame after the laters employer betrayed him and Gai used the Blue frame to protect the rest of the Junk Guild. Gold and Green Frame where recovered by the Sahaku's with Gold piloted by Gina and then later Mina. Mina would give Green frame to Barry Ho with it being assembled by Lowe. The final unit is the Mirage Frame which ended up with the Liberians somehow and was piloted by the clone of Ghina.
@@ramiuschun9288 Green Frame also had a pilot, his name was Trojan Noiret. He even battled with Gai during a war against guerrillas in Africa.
@@goufr3540 GP02A and Gundam MKII says hello.
The place where the GAT series has been housing got blown up.
hi,i see your are belgian(im belgian too) so.. its possible to have french subtitles ? because your video lore is awesome but i understand a half of the video ^^' thanks for your attention and sorry for my bad english ^^
Kakarot's flexing with his japanese!!!
@kakarot197 I have a question for q and a videos. How come the titans never used the other gundam mark lls didn't they have 2 more other than the one the aueg stole. It seemed to be a strong suit for the aeug for the first half of zeta. Thanks.
Because the AEUG stole all three. They only kept one while the other two were sent to Anaheim Electronics to be dismantled and studied.
@@reeseolsen4052 really i was sure they only got 2 the one Kamielle was in and the one Apolloy and him carried out with Jared in the 3 one stuck in the building. Maybe I need to rewatch the beginning its been awhile
@@strangenames6056 Titan's tried to take it back, but failed when Emma joined the AEUG after seeing Kamille's mother killed.
@@reeseolsen4052 by the Titans Wicked Ideas for Murder 😠
@@strangenames6056 I thought that the Three Stolen Titan Gundam's where Remolded by One White,One turn into the Gold Armor AEUG GM Gundam and The Other Transformer into the Zeta Gundam.
Props for Japanese generic power of friendship speeches and major props for Astray lore! Always fun to hear about some Gundam Astray stuff along with what happened in canon. Fits so well.
It is not every day that your broken weapon becomes a magical plot device and saves your life with a parry. That Mobile Suit sized katana really is loyal.
Wait it’s been a while since I’ve read n anything seed but couldn’t lose beating Gina be explained by the tactical arm’s thrusters making the red frame fast enough to get that hit in?
This makes me think about the Seed Movie with the Sahaku family being the villain in it. If the Gundam Seed Movie would be a retelling version of Endless Waltz.
Except it never happened and Mina had a change of heart in destiny astray and later in princess of the sky
I really like your vids and I may sound like a broken record, but the Gerbera is not a Katana, it is a Tachi.
This is why it is worn with the "ha" down and a Katana is worn with the cutting edge up.
It is stated in the manual of the PG Red Frame and one can notice that it is not curved and a lot longer as a Katana.
A Tachi was used by horse back samurai, the main reason it is longer.
For a person knowing so much of Japanes culture, I thought you knew this, but one can not know all.
Maybe just refer to it as a "sword" 😉
So, are they SEED’s Zabi family?
Technically, yes. But rondo mina sahaku (the sister) was later allied herself with junk guild. So, it was nes
@@far5527 Mfw the Astray Manga does a way better way of world building and story telling than SEED/SEED Destiny. Although that base where everyone popped like bubbles was pretty metal.
anyone know what game the goldframe footage from in 3:46?
Never Ending Tomorrow. PS2
i really wish they would just adapt the Astray series into an actual TV series
I don't think sunrise will make them into anime, just like crossbone
@@daffamaulana3655 hahaha and both are popular enough to appear on GB F/N
So after this did Lowe make the 150 gerbera straight and power loader?
yeah, after the battle with Gina where Gerbera Straight was destroyed he went to the PLANT Graveyard where Gerbera was originally forged in the repair it. During the time there, he also used the massive meteorite that he found to create the 150 Gerbera. And then later on, after joining the Three Ships Alliance and seeing the METEOR unit in action, he was inspired to create the Power Loader.
Sound similar to something can't quite remember I think it's Belkin........😏
So Gina piloted the Gold Amatsu but it was renamed/rebuilt as the Amatsu Mina once Mina herself became the pilot? Okay, now i know. But who pilots the white Amatsu Mina?
Also the music at 6:39 is what's used when you get a draw in Battle Operation 2.
There are 2 Gold Frames with white outer armor. The Astray Gold Frame Amatsu Hana was piloted by Kazahana Aja and Lath Winslet. Later developed into Astray Gold Frame Amaterasu, piloted by Lath Winslet. The Amaterasu had an independent back-mounted unit that Kazahana was supposed to be the pilot of, but I haven't seen the manga so idk if she actually got to pilot it.
Both of them were selected by Mina as her successors. Both are protagonists in Gundam Astray Princess of the Sky manga. Kazahana had been present in earlier Astray mangas too. It wasn't shown in the anime, but she was even present in Morgenroete when the Archangel was being repaired, I think it was during season 1 (not sure).
Okay, I talked too much already.
@@SoulstrikerV Nah it's fine, you were being informative so thank you. ^_^
@@SoulstrikerV Never be sorry about doing an info-dump in the comments of a lore video. Information IS why we're here, after all.
...That, and giant robots.
Wait, from the fandom, rondo minsa sahaku also allies with the junk guild. Then, why she really want to continue his brother's plan?
She continued on her own ways, the final goal was to turb the orb union into the dominant power after all.
@@jesusmartinezrodriguez9545 ohh
Who's piloting the gold frame mina or gina?
During the first part of the BVW, it's Gina, but since he uh, died, after the battle between the 3 original Astrays, Mina took over and became the main pilot of the Gold Frame.
that was an over-the-top otaku/weebo outro, ahaha
Heh I don't care, it's entertainment
ah yes, the jengrish
*archangel trying to enter orb*
Earth alliance ship and zaft mobile suits you can't come in and we will shoot you if you try!!!!!! were netural!!!!
*orb built the archangel*
Netural???? you built the gods fracking ship!!!!!!
*orb lets the archangel in*
uh uhh....i thought so.....
a great story but seem's everyone denies it😔😔
Is it Mina Sahaku help Freedom escape during Cagalli Yula Athha Wedding with Jona ??And the Sahaku family are Coordinator......
They kind of remind me of Anaheim electronics but more evil .
Wait, MORE evil than Anaheim, which kept selling mobile suits to Zeon derivatives through several conflicts, knowing they'd likely be used to help make colony drops happen?
@@matohibiki well Anaheim just seem more like war profiteers than an actual force
And as story progressed, ORB didn't fall into evil faction because Mina have different approach than Ghina.
WHAT GAME WAS THAT ?
Mmm i thought mina gave up on the orb will rule everyhing mindset.
Too bad they didn't manage to copy the phase shift. That thing was game changer on MS durability.
They now about it. But I think lowe didn't use it cause phase shift drain battery too fast. He even use garbera cause of the same reason.
Seed: where every faction is basically Fascists.
More like greedy power to conquer spacenoid and Earth, it's simple soldier only just pawn for political liberation
anime please sunrise
Seed really overvalues its katanas. That's the impression I'm getting. And Lowe is an idiot for counting on just some physical swords and nothing else. Besides, it's the far future. Recharges and refuels should be MUCH cheaper than maintaining and replacing a giant fuckoff sword!
The katana way better, no need energy from mobile but gundam stray red frame saber beam is too much eat energy only cause mobile suit run out energy
Shame that trying to read the Astray series is impossible if you're not willing to shill out a ton of money and unable to read Japanese.
You can by the translated Astray mangas online. (Astray, Astray R, and X Astray) You can also read the other Astray manga online. (Destiny Astray, Frame Astray, and Delta Astray)
Hell... The broken weeb japanglish throw me off. Big time.
Destiny is poorly written and you cant change my mind
No one will disagree on that point. It's in essence why the CE hasn't seen any real continuation outside of written material and the sparse, but killer, OVAs..... and proper character realization in games lol
@@MaddJakd I've had people argue with me before about how shinn is a good charater and how the destiny plan makes perfect sense
Perhaps the worst part is that Shin the MC was completely sindlined in his own anime.
Well I will admit that DESTINY at its faults, but to me I think DESTINYs faults go back to SEED itself since there were some mishaps in the show (especially in the second half).
Seed astray is better than destiny
Change my mind