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- College graduates, who say their lives were shaped by affirmative action, joined CNN This Morning to discuss the Supreme Court's decision that colleges and universities can no longer take race into consideration as a specific basis for granting admission. #CNN #News
If race won't be taken into consideration, does this mean they are going to takes the section that ask what race you are off college applications?
They should
Maybe?
They’ve already taken the section off the common app if I recall reading correctly
No, they cannot. It would be unconstitution. It's same as the fact that you are make gender specific hire in some countries.
It should be collected for the data to study the effect of policies on certain demographics. However, this info shouldn't be available to administrators who screen applicants to avoid discrimination based on race.
CNN won't talk about College student dropout rates.
Probably because nobody cares
@@HolyDiver-dx6px Yeah, this is politics, and the Left doesn't really care about these kids.
@@HolyDiver-dx6pxAs a taxpayer, I care
@@PabloTheThinker how does a college dropout affect you?
@@PabloTheThinkermore then likely you are white,keep this in mind when you have all the advantages, why does the college drop out rate even matter to you.
People should be recognized on merit not skin colour😊
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@@multisymptomrelief8839
In a free market, all the time. If companies didn't hire based on merit they would be less profitable.
@@ogzombieblunt4626 you’re very naive. The government subsidizes hiring of weirdos. How old are you? I’m guessing under 25
When is it ever on merit?
@@ogzombieblunt4626 Yeah, I wish I had worked hard enough, and worked my way up to have been born my bosses son.
A son of 2 attorneys complaining that he's not getting preference over a poor white kid that grew up in a trailer. Only in America.
That “pOoR wHyTe kId” probably gonna be dead from fentanyl before they even graduate.
That’s not what he was saying! But sure, believe whatever ignorance that helps you get through life.
I agree only because he was a horrible option for the interview. The whole thing shouldn't be about race or gender any of that stuff.
So convenient to ignore the fact that his classmates referred to him as an "Oreo" What stood out for you was a poorly fabricated whataboutism. What percentage of white kids are poor?
Your country, the USA, is toast!
Nice try ,but replay the video and open your ears douchebag, that is not what he said! And why can't someone have concern for other's despite their personal fortune! SMH. He cares how this setback will impact others not himself. That's probably to heavy a concept for you to wrap your head around! @micclay
As a 62 year old black man, I'm a 3rd generation college graduate. My athletic skills led me to an elite prep school where I never felt less than intellectually.
When you're accustomed to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.
Says the white dude 😂😂😂
When people are told that discrimination is normal and fair and they believe it, they’re probably a republican’t.
*PLAGIARISM* At least put quotations around it.
@@sirsteve8999No one knows who started the phrase, it's new but many people claim to have coined it. Which means there's no official author and cannot be considered plagiarism.
Well said
A Victimhood student!
Awww like how white people complaining about reverse racism 😂😂 weak asses
I came to this country with only $300 and struggled for 10 years to get a greencard. But I had a great time for those 10 years.
@@zhinan888 Excellent good job
CNN should interview the Asian kids who didn’t get into colleges because someone with a lower test score got in.
The black students have the same scores. What about you and your way of thinking makes you think their scores would be lower?
@@ohotnitza That's not what the evidence showed. Asian students admitted to Harvard scored on average 400+ points higher on the SAT than their Black counterparts.
The official data released by Harvard shows that. Asians also had higher scores on extracurricular activities (clubs, organizations, hobbies, etc.), so it's not just tests.
@@ohotnitza You clearly didn’t follow the case and the evidence.
Time to close this woke schools down
If we want racism to end doesn’t it stand to reason that we stop using it as a qualifier for anything?
The bottom line is either racism is right - black folk aren’t capable - or racist are wrong and black folk are racist
It's not about race, it's the fact that people of color were set back and have been denied any method of social upward mobility since before civil rights were established in the US. This was always a little bandaid created 40 years ago, for the fact that people of color have been playing catch up because of racism.
White lives matter!
@@Ballsdeep1967 👈Room temperature IQ.
You do know Asians are being discriminated against and not allowed into the Ivey league because they’re way smarter than blacks?
@@Ballsdeep1967more than qualified Asian students were passed over to accommodate black students with less qualifications.
Study harder. Sorry. That’s the way the world works.
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What is wrong with merit and putting in work?? This is a sick generation..
I do not know whats your generation but you sound very sick to me. Nobody is against merit and putting in hard work FFS! That is what your fragmented, brain washed mind is telling you. Nobody is coming for your guns ether. Stop the gaslighting!
Yup
Black people literally built this country for free.
how is affirmative action racists when white peoples are where they are and black people are where they are because of your people. White people systematically underfunded and left out resources for black schools and neighborhoods. They left high paying jobs to white people, the banks didn’t invest in black neighborhoods, and th me government literally forced drugs into the black community. America payed respirations to the Jews and Japanese, but not us. How is it fair or equal for black people to build this country and it’s wealth for free, while being forced to take on all of its disadvantages.
My 3 sons worked their way through college and paid off their loans.
Why should they now be taxed to also pay off your student loans?
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Your 3 sons are lucky that is not be the case for your grandchildren based on rising tuition.
Probably the same reason Why my taxes ade used to pay for ppp loans when I don’t benefit from them.
@@melissagreye8445 Working hard to pay off tuition is not luck, it is called taking responsibility. Something libs don't comprehend.
@@Jams90. By PPP "loans" you mean loans that have to be repaid, right? As opposed to student loans that you want forgiven. Notice the difference? (Hint: neither should be forgiven.)
Why isn't CNN bringing on some people who can explain and defend the ruling? 3 people + the host practically being against the ruling doesn't seem fair.
Also for a network that supposedly is against racism, why aren't they applauding this supreme court ruling?
Yeah where are the Indians and especially Asians to ask their opinion of affirmative action? It was in fact the Asian community that took on the lawsuit but we haven’t heard a single peep from them because it doesn’t fit the agenda.
it’s 2023 and they are advocating for race based discrimination. Why do you want Asians and Indians to be discriminated against because they do well in school? Don’t you think it’s demeaning to blacks and Hispanics to be told that you’re not as good as everyone else and the scale Hass to be tipped in your favor for you to be able to do as well as others? Affirmative action doesn’t help anyone. It is absolutely racist and discriminatory towards whites, Indians, and Asians and it’s incredibly demeaning to blacks and Hispanics that feel inferior and told they are not as smart as the white kids. If someone is not qualified to get into a school or even a job, why would you ignore meritocracy and accept their application into a school where they will fail after wasting years of time and tens of thousands of dollars in debt? Why should someone be discriminated against because they were born of the “wrong color” or ethnicity? And why should an actually qualified black or Hispanic person feel inferior and question their own competence wondering if they really belong there or if they were an inclusion and diversity hire? It literally hurts everyone and it’s race-based discrimination I don’t understand how anyone supports it 🤦🏾♀️🤡🤡
lol those kids were pretty good at flapping their lips without saying anything of substance.
When has CNN been unbiased and fair. They are virtue signaling to a segment of their viewers.
Its CNN aka fake news what did you expect from them ?
"It has been said that, when Ronald Reagan was governor of California, someone told him that admitting students to the University of California on individual performance alone could mean that all the students at Berkeley might be Asian Americans.
"So what?" was the Gipper's response. "
- "For what purpose? - Thomas Sowell"
"Connerly contends that their work ethic should not create an issue. "I subscribe to the view that Ronald Reagan had when he was governor of California, when this same circumstance presented itself at the University of California, namely - quote - 'too many Asians.' Ronald Reagan said, 'I don't care if every seat is held by an Asian if they've earned the right to be there.'"
That is definitely not the view at Harvard as the Asians are about to discover.
Im mexican and so happy for my hard working Asian people!! They were being discriminated after having the highest GPA because they study hard!! Great Job supreme court!!
literalmente
Nobody discriminated against them for that…
@@camillerichardson6632yes they were
@@camillerichardson6632 Harvard did.
hence the lawsuit.
@@first-last-null Because of the CONservative CULT that The Coup Clutz Clown installed during his four destructive years as a nepotistic president.
Let’s interview some Asian students . This is why this case went to the courts .
Asians are racist too because whites and Asians are smarter than blacks
That would be to easy.
This case went to courts because Edward Blum, the person who sponsored this suit from the beginning and after several tries with different students, realized that the best approach to this so called issue was to use Asian American representation.
Hell, interview one latino. The latinos I know are opening businesses, working in trades, buying houses. They don't need harvard as many are making more money than harvard liberal arts grads.
@@gyranlangdon8924 Right because you think racism can only happen from white people.
Oh no!! Students will be judged by their GPA and test scores. Whatever are we going to do ?
What about, Reading, Comprehending, writing, and research skills??? Doesn't that matter?
Don’t forget legacy students-yea the ones who get special consideration if their parents, grandparents etc went to that school…even if their GPA and test scores are below or just average.
Nope they will be judged buy the size of their parents bank accounts . No worry, just write a check.
@rasija4 Maybe there is a Federal Court case there too!
They are judged by GPA and other factors, a rich kid who had expert help is not the same as a poor kid who had a part-time job played in a sport and still got a high gpa in high school .
"When people get used to special treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination. " - Thomas Sowell 👍
Question for you is there racism and discrimination in this country?
White people had special treatment before the civil rights act now they're the one's feeling discriminated against . lol
Token Scott says, you can sell out like me and be a Republican.
Who doesn’t want to be an Uncle Tom … America works for everyone 🤡
@Zigest actually it does. Everyone is supposed to get a fair chance what's wrong with that?
@@geoffreyryan5846 40% of Republicans don't think that Obama was a Christian or an American citizen because only WASPs can be president. After Obama we got a president who constantly attacks anti fascists and anti-racists while refusing to say anything negative about fascists and racists.
if you cant compete your not equal
amen
you're.... but don't worry. No one took your spot at a good school. I promise.
@@Melaninking33 I dont need special treatment to make it - if your not equal ur just not equal
Yes. That’s the current centuries old racist system. Lots of people are not equal. And you like that…. got it.
@@DeemeeLizz your just not my equal and you need the government to step in cause you cant do it
The people who say "black and brown" are most often black, not brown.
The flaw with Ketanji's dissent. Disparities aren't arguments for any specific remedy, or even one at all. That's like saying that because one spouse makes less than the other, that this simultaneously means that it (1) must be due to injustice, (2) must be remedied, and (3) must be remedied by a specific means regardless of ethical considerations.
Your last point especially speaks to so many poor policies. They think that just because they intend to do the right thing, their particular policy prescription is effective! Of course it's obviously not the case
Martin Luther King would definitely love the the Supreme Court's decision!
You CLEARLY don't understand MLK. He said (paraphrasing) it's ridiculous to tell a shoeless man to lift himself by his bootstraps. He said a debt is owed to African Americans. Him wanting his kids to be judged by there character was a DREAM because it wasn't happening.
It's going to be soo hard for y'all to adjust to having to earn things huh 😅
Black Privilege is Real
Get a life
So you're telling me that we are going to accept people based on their character and NOT on the color of their skin? Martin Luther King Jr would be proud of the court.
Thomas wrote a concurring. The majority opinion still allows for race as a factor as in Grutter, though not as a heuristic in it of itself. So schools can consider race when you can write about how race impacted your life in your essay, but they can't make you tick a box and make assumptions about you based on your race.
Awww like white people have done for centuries?? Huh?? White ppl
Love quoting MLK when it’s your group that discriminates the most!
If you had done that since the beginning we wouldnt have needed affirmative action, would we? If you are going to quote MLK like a typical right wing clown, at least learn some history. And let me know when Black people will start being judged by their character and not the color on their skin when they apply for housing, loans, jobs, and other benefits. Ok pumpkin?
@@godowskygodowsky1155 so they are still going to use affirmative action?
MLK didn’t say color blind, listen to the WHOLE SPEECH, MLK supported affirmative action
Son of TWO ATTORNEYS! and still needs affirmation actions?
*I saw a network news report. It said two students with exactly the same test scores/other qualifications - one an Asian student would have a 25% chance of getting into Harvard. But if that same student was black, he/she would have a 95% chance! THIS IS THE PROBLEM! YOU CAN END DISCRIMINATION BY DISCRIMINATING!*
Asians weren’t put on boats and forced to leave their cultural heritage behind. 1 out if 18 Asian Americans came here as refugees. That means 17 out if 18 Asians came here because they could afford it or they they were already so educated that they could qualify for the H-1B visa. I am 100% against discrimination or disrespect to the Asian community, and they contribute to this country more than most white people I know so we should be thankful Asians want to move here, but you’re dumb af if you think Asian Americans aren’t already more privileged and wealthy than African Americans. Things could be better for everyone, but putting Asians against black and brown students is a a strategy of divide and conquer against minorities in general, so my question is this: are you that dumb or just that racist?
Because us black people aren't one trick Ponies. Colleges actually benefit from having us on campus.
@@TB-oh8zl I find it unlikely that the Asian kid who got rejected from Harvard was a 1 trick pony. There’s an entire lawsuit for this. You don’t think that Harvard wouldn’t have said something like “yea we accepted these kids over that Asian kid cause Asian kid had weak extracurriculars and totally not because of race-based admissions.” Harvard lost, meaning they can’t prove that; it means that Asian kid was denied admissions in part due to his race and not because he has lower academic/other qualifications.
The Black student has a history in this country her ancestors made this country rich by their free labor and fought in wars for this country. The ASIAN just got off the boat from Asia.
@@TB-oh8zl baahahahahah how? Name the top 10 contributions to society by blacks in the last 2000 years.
Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
The Irony and Hypocrisy in todays Society is absolutely unreal. Lmfao
Fake News and promoting more Victimhood mentality.
its the human condition
I've been watching a lot of videos from the 50's and 60's, and one thing is clear; When the laws and rules are not definitively and unambiguously stated, people will find ways to exclude those, of whom they are prejudiced, while still doing it in a legal way. We have regulations because of a proven history of irresponsibility.
Thank you for having insight, and recognizing the truth. They know what the truth is. However, they'd rather lie to themselves, as well as others, then call it the truth.
So for that then there should be laws to discriminate. The path is only one way. You would be discriminated then if you do not equal the requirement of any such law. Law should be for any qualified person. Should be to strengthen families and reduce the problems to move poor from welfare to work. The law should be for every American will have the chance to live up to his or her God-given capacities. No quotas in theory or practice; no illegal discrimination of any kind, including reverse discrimination; no preference for people who are not qualified for any job or other opportunity.
@@nfn7121 it is not about discrimination, but about diversity. Also, they can still do what they did before, now it will just be more difficult and irritating. For some reason many right-wingers think we live in a meritocracy. We don't, not even close, and as long as we don't, you will see these reverse "discriminating" laws, to mitigate the wrongs of the past and also the present.
@@Pyladin you don't want to live in a meritocracy. There is nothing you can do to mitigate the wrong if they were even wrong to begin with you are just full of guilt just forget about it and live your life.
Hard work moves everyone from welfare to work!
time we move on people and embrace MLK. content of character not color of skin
Someone tell her that the Democrats were the slaveowners
Yeah, and the KKK was democrats at one point. For some reason now they support Ron desantis and Trump. Here I was thinking those two were republicans.
They still are. Just look at the ghettos.
Yep and those very same old families are Republican today, Due to the Dixiecrats all changing parties back then.
They still race hustle to get votes.
@@derekisazombie39That has been debunked.
College should only considerate students qualification to complete the college otherwise it becomes a waste both time/life and financial for students who are not capable to finish. And waste of public resource. So I suggest that college should assign a random number to every applicant before move to administration office so person who process the application could not tell race, gender during the process. Sole qualification is considerate.
Yes but you see again, it's like starting a marathon where every racist individuals is given a one up by not running the first half of it. You're telling me that's the same as running the whole thing?
No.
So, the ability to get a good education should be a crap shoot? Knowing the address, past high school, test scores in some tests can all indicate race.
Fine you want it that way drop legacy where if your parents went to the university you get put ahead of others.
@@samf.s.7731 students should be considered based on their qualifications aka how hard they worked, grades etc when they were in high school. Race/gender should have no basis when considering admission. With financing they should help out everyone who needs it.
@@samf.s.7731and who exactly are these racist individuals? The white and Asian students who made good grades in high school?
Some people actually believe that people of a certain race should only have to match 3 numbers to win the lotto.
I think I should only have to match 3 numbers of a lotto. Doesn’t mean that’s how it is
Some people of a certain race believe that all they have to do is steal land and culture and TAKE the lottery.
Some people actually believe that certain white people of certain families should only have to match 3 numbers to win the Lotto. Ask former President George Bush.
Why are people threatened by the 13%? It is quite strange.
Steamed White Rice or Yellow Rice or Fried Rice ?
As an Asian person myself living in America for all my life (55 years),
I faced a lot of racial hate and discrimination from whites and other
minorities but I can honestly say, other minorities were much worse.
Think about this what I said here and put this into context for Affirmative
Action.
I lived here for 63 years and have not faced this. What does racial discrimination have to to with merit or intelligence? That's what affirmative action speaks of. In NYC the Asians here are not sympathetic to this position of AA. However my people [Afr.Amer.] are. Dumb down the qualifications just for us, they cry: we can't compete with those White's and Asians and Indians. These are facts. I say to anyone: get a scanner and listen to your cities 'school safety channels'. Here in NYC the police stay in 'black' schools because there is so much violence and disruption. This is insane but factual.
@@Warguard9This is actually not what the data indicates, you also neglect mass amounts of historical data.
@@Warguard9What did excluding black Americans from education altogether have to do with merit? What do legacy admissions have to do with merit? The fact that AA was removed before legacy admissions further exposes the racism…
@@TheEmpiricistNetwork
What data and who's data??
@TheEmpiricistNetwork
Really? What era are you talking about? I certainly hope we are not going to continue to constantly live in the past. I endured bussing, and no one surely held me back in those mostly Whyte schools. We [Blacks] love to be PERPETUAL VICTIMS and have mastered the art of the 'paralysis of analysis' and data mining... just hit the damn books and compete on your merits and the content of your character. If you are to continue to complain and cooperate simultaneously with the 'HISTORICAL AMOUNTS of DATA' ; then admit 'you have been conquered' and, are the spoils of war.
Look, as a Latin man, it's time to move on. It served it purpose for a few generations and now we must move foward. Victimhood is a currency these days and an excuse to not keep trying.
That ignorant student just proved exactly why affirmative action needed to be abolished. They have no idea just how dumb they actually are
at least they got to college. That’s more than you’ve done.
@@danielgloverpiano7693how do you know they didn't go to college? Going to college doesn't mean you necessarily achieved more than someone who didn't go to college, as there are a lot of college graduates not earning much. There are also a lot of people working in trades and entrepreneurs (without degrees) who earn way more than college graduates.
I have a degree, but I don't act like it makes me better.
@@jt1559 You should feel like you’re better than them. They feel lesser as a result of not getting an education and that’s the whole reason they hate you and me. Just FYI. No reason to apologize for being educated. My PhD is my most valued possession and there is no monetary value equal to its value. I could have ten mansions and a private 747. I wouldn’t trade them for being educated. That’s just me. Maybe you find cleaning sewers satisfying, but I wouldn’t. I don’t care how much money they make. If it’s not a satisfying job to me, I wouldn’t do it. That’s why I’m a musician. We have one of the most demanding fields to make a living in and it didn’t matter. I followed my dream, and it paid off big time.
@Zigest he is the son two lawyers he most likely got a great k-12 education. You obviously did not listen to the reporter at the beginning of the video.
@ZigestAre you aware of how prestigious UNC and Columbia Law school are? NO ONE is admitted on their race alone. Thinking that is ignorant as hell.
I was born in America where roughly 50% of citizens are women and I later served in the military where most soldiers are men. I'm traumatized that the organization didn't match society. It's such an injustice.
I later went to graduate school and studied engineering. I am white and I had to study alongside the majority Asian engineering study population. I was traumatized again.
We need to fight for an America where every race and gender and class of person is perfectly represented across all industries! I'm so traumatized I can barely find the energy to order an avocado toast from Uber Eats.
I'm a person of color. No, we don't need to fight for "perfect" representation. you're imposing your SUBJECTIVE "moral" terms onto others. Women get EASIER tests to be a soldier, cop etc. n companies prefer them over men for good PR n to avoid lawsuits, etc. Women overall have equality when it helps, double standards otherwise to help them, n get to play victim too.
Most Americans support a ban on making ethnicity a factor in college admissions. SCOTUS agreed, but allowed students to talk about how their ethnicity affected them. I'd say SCOTUS should've been clear that u must PROVE how it affected u, n to be fair, should allow u to mention how your health, poverty, lack of connections or "legacy" status, or your ugliness or weakness n being bullied, affected u. each person's life has more or less fortune n hardships, n we can't assume based on color.
If u want diversity, then youre against merit. in that case, u can seek diverse classes n guests. MLK copied Ghandi, Einstein credited all math from Indians (which they got from Vedas, which seems to be where all knowledge originated from, which youtuber "Playitalready" plans to show evidence for) but where's Indian history month? Why 7-11 jokes, etc. can be made on Indians, but they along with ALL Asians, have to sue to stop colleges from lowering their personality score n making their ethnicity a key, to give their seat to blks? because you're a selfish r*cist? no thanks. if u have so much empathy, start with the 70% of blk kids having no father. i mostly blame f*minists for that. help animals in factory farms, who are being treated worse than blk Americans
Why are they upset about getting into college with their academic scores?? If they are at the top of their class , the color of their skin doesn’t matter.
You silly child. Do you not know what a legacy admission is?? Or how SO MANY rich white parents BUY their mediocre to failing child's admission??
Did you miss the whole Aunt Becky scandal??
I'm sure people would be saying that if the university became 90 percent Asian.
Big win for the Asian communities. Hard to believe they are punished for over achieving
Every black should get into the best schools no matter how dumb they are for equity sake. Whites no wait Asians hold on whites and Asians are too smart wait…. Please give me money
Amen! And they only interview black people when it was Asian Americans that brought this case to the Supreme Court! Not everything is about them! 🙄
They were punished because hard work and achievement were viewed as a sign of privilege.
Boo hoo, now you will have to rely on your work ethic and not the color od your skin. 😂
I learned to swim fast when I was pushed into the deep end of the pool.
Because a young kid must be far wiser than a Supreme Court justice..
Just over 50 years ago, US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was living in a poor, rural, still-segregated neighbourhood in Georgia.-Racism and classism ran rampant it wasn't an easy childhood.Then, he got into Yale, and he eventually made his way to the top of the American judicial branch, becoming the second Black person to serve on the body.-His turned his entire life around. But how? Thomas got into Yale because of affirmative action, the very policy he voted to overturn in a landmark Supreme Court decision on Thursday.
@@noelphillip5012 Thomas went to two other colleges before Harvard. There was a thing called voluntary desegregation before Affirmative Action . Iowa was the first State to adopt desegregation for schools in 1868. Acting as though all black students in college is, and was due to Affirmative Action, would be wrong.
a young kid is smarter than president so
Next try getting by on your grades.
Equality. Merit. Colorblindness.
The only way
when there are 200 applicants for 100 spots and everyone has the same grades, who gets to attend class? This isn't about letting less deserving people of color to take a white persons spot, it is about having diversity in school.
Get rid of legacy. The white man's affirmative action!
You're African American?
That has never been the case in this country and never will be.
This is absurd. Work hard and get in on merit. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Big shout out to the Supreme Court
One GREAT DAY for America
FJB
😅😅😅😅😅pay your own loans😅😅😅😅
He’s saying he didn’t qualify to be there.🤔
Affirmative Action began in 1961. And was supposed to END after 25 years, or in 1986.
Affirmative Action has been discriminating against most of the US for an ADDITIONAL 37 YEARS, past its expiration date.
Affirmative Action deserved to END 37 YEARS ago.
3:31 stating statistics with low mknority populations is not an argument for affirmative action.
The constitution says we must treat all people equally. It's age, and the status of black people at the time does not change the statement. It does not effect the law of the land. Treat all people equally. Not special. I am Puerto Rican. And high achieving. I deserve my status because I beat out all student, black, Asian, white, other Hispanics, I beat them all in scores. I earned my spot. But because of affirmative action I was offered scholarships and opportunities to places that didn’t make sense. I could have gone literally anywhere. Harvard Yale blah, I chose the best engineering school at the time the University of Illinois. My race made me a desired token for all these schools. How did I deserve free rides to literally every school holy can think of? This was 2003. I was the top but because affirmative action people did not think I belonged. It made me an outsider. I would have made it without affirmative action. Nobody would have questioned. Affirmative action made not belong and not deserving. Bad policy. Just treat all equal. 😢
CNN, try to do a piece that represents the other side. Choose guests who have real arguments. Good lord literally worthless news coverage.
What exactly are they gonna do. Affirmative action got overtuned. Guess they might have to actually work... Oh no😢
God forbid they judge applicants based on their character and actual achievements. I guess now people will have to actually do the work.
What a douchie comment. You know you're full of crap.
100%
Actually, its academic achievement, don't get confused.
@@raywhitehead730 even easier
Good character and achievements are signs of privilege, so no.
basically this panel doesn't agree with the SCOTUS decision. As long as AA benefits them, they say go for it. It doesn't matter AA affects negatively other groups. They look at the outcome of the California banning AA as a problem, when fair competition doesn't have their desired outcome then it's a problem.
Effects of Affirmative Action pales in comparison to having supportive parents. Both parents.
I should’ve waited 3 years to apply to med school……
What you were not good enough then, so now you think you are good enough? Even if 20% was mandated to be minorities you still did not make the cut among the whites. Just needed to wait until there was less competition?
Apply now! You can do it. You won’t have any Black or Brown people to blame . Sink or swim… it will be all you 😊. You can take your rejection(s) with pride or come back and show us what you got! Be sure to let us know how it went since the only thing stopping you was affirmative action 😉 Go forth!
@@DeemeeLizz already applied and got in. Applied to 30 school- only 3 interviews and one accepted me off the WL. I am curious as to how that would’ve looked had I applied 3 years later…..
I put this in another video and some people will disagree, but…
As an Asian, we are constantly bombarded by our parents to be the hardest worker, to get to the top grades, to get that 100+ in every test and assignment, so that we can get into the best schools…and then we are rejected because they need one more black/Latino student that got the lower grade than us…I say that affirmative action hurts everyone, especially Asians…but no one talks about that…we are a minority too…
PS: legacy admissions should also hit the road…
According to CNN, you’re not Asian. You’re ak-SHULLY a white supremacist due to your merit.
People that don't put in hard work will always look at those who do with jealously and avarice.
Agreed. It really hurts Asians. It does. Blacks are not as smart in academics. That's just how it is.
Newsflash: these schools still aren’t going to admit Asians. As a matter of fact, now they will admit less because they don’t have to accept you now. Congratulations, you played yourselves 😂
In general I would agree, but I would urge my kids to balance that with quality of life. Work to live, not live to work. But there is nothing at all wrong with enjoying your work or building your own little empire.
So glad to see legal racism taken off the books. You want it, you work for it.
I don't get what's wrong with the decision. Wouldn't you rather someone with merit?
But, yet, legacy students (which is affirmative action for the wealthy) is still allowed
All by design to keep blacks out of universities:
Legacy students isn’t based on race though, so any race can access that route. ( imo it should be stopped too)
It’s easy to get behind a noble cause when you’re not the one who’ll be sacrificed
Who is being “sacrificed”?
@@lukasribin4168asian student.
@@lukasribin4168my gosh I am highly suspicious you attended any k12 school, I mean “Hello??!!😅”
Are they willing to have affirmative action in sports like the NBA and NFL? 😂😂😂
WHAT, YOU MEAN NOW THEY WANTIN US TO DO SOMETHING FOR WHAT WE GETTIN, DAT'S RAYCISS!!
I’m 60 years old. My family was riding the line of poverty all my life. My dad worked hard and paid every dime of my college tuition. I probably was barely accepted at a small university since I had B/C average in high school. AA students sat in the same high school classes I was in. I went on to teach Caucasian, AA, and Hispanic kids for 30 yrs. Never once saw a single child be treated differently or taught differently because of their ethnicity. If anything, those struggling were offered special assistance or extra one on one time with instructions. You can lead a horse to water but…..
Why would you see it? ….did you take any research methodology courses?? I think you are the horse …
From another older white person: Consider the privilege you have being able to assume that because you didn't see something, it doesn't exist.
These folks are coming forward saying how hard it's been. We know this because we can listen to them and *history*. But you think because YOU didn't see it, it's not a thing.
Yes, everything starts and ends in the home. Family values, personal, and prioritizing education varies greatly.
exacttly!!!!
If you were good at teaching they wouldn't have needed special assistance.
Haven’t seen democrats this mad since republicans freed all their slaves….
Thanks
~Jim Eagle
Afraid to say it out loud are we..
Here say it with me "I am closet racist and am hiding behind an internet front"
Good boy.
I'm supportive of improving diversity at universities but not when it comes at the cost of students who deserve to be there on their own merit.
Those support affirmative action like back doors 😢
An overlooked point is the fact that in places like California, minority college graduation rates went UP after AA was banned. Affirmative Action often forced black students up the educational food chain to schools where they couldn't handle the work. The kid who would do well at UCLA gets bumped up to Stanford or Berkeley, the UCal kid ends up at UCLA, Cal State......etc. Instead of being "mis-matched" ( a great book on affirmative action written by two liberals) more minority students found their niche where they could be successful.
So in your mind, most black people are intellectually inferior. You could have just written this instead of this BS you wrote.
Berkeley, Stanford and UCLA are at the same level, or actually UCLA is a bit harder. A better comparison would be those who should only go to a CSUN or Cal Poly, end up at UCLA and fail. I saw it happen.
So in other words, all black people are underqualified for good schools?
@@deborahfreedman333 thanks, I wasn't sure ofnthe exactly tier system but you got my point
Stop making stuff up.
This ruling did not include all the gender nonsense. There are still universities who decide based on gender and sexuality.....
Are you transvestite?
In fact, over 70% of blacks admitted to Harvard are from rich families. Many Asians are from poor families and helpless. In NYC, Asians have one of the highest poverty rates. Until 2 years ago, they were the highest. Asians still invested the little money they had into their children's education.
The former mayor, Mayor DeBlasio still wanted to penalize Asians in public school admissions and funding despite the high poverty rate.
I doubt the people calling that kid an “Oreo” are white.
There is a saying in my hometown, if you want to be excellent, try to catch up with others instead of pulling down others to be like you. Unfortunately, there is a group that thinks otherwise, and they often ask for sympathy from the outside world through the Victim Card.
Seems to me that is exactly the card played by the group who put that complaint in front of SCOTUS. 🤔
It’s really deeply disturbing to read these things. So many people who know so little about the history of this country speaking so loudly. It’s wild. And guess what: next year when a bunch of spoiled brats don’t get into the dream school that their parents’ inherited money paid for them to aspire to (private schools, tutors, prep classes, wealthy neighborhoods etc)….their fantasies about affirmative action will be all expired. Who will they blame then?! Might have to just move on to choice #2 and learn about handling big feelings! How will they manage… 😢
why now, people were recognized for skin color for 300 years and denied food, housing, land, education and every luxury that people took for granite, why stop recognizing now. We tried it with recognition and without recognition and the results are still the same. When you get a job offer based on your resume and a phone interview and then you arrive and they realize you are black, the offer is withdrawn. So yeah fuck it. It's happened to me too many times. I have two advanced degrees, I have worked hard and done everything right, but the minute they realize I'm black its like day and night. I've had a CEO say to me in an interview "Oh Your Black", then left the room, I knew the interview was over. White people will never understand the horrors of being denied just because of skin color.
This is just a blatant way to perpetuate systemic racism. AA only really helped white women because of gender. There's more to the criteria than race, but racists will play the race card.
"White people" get judged and oppressed more than any other group in modern society lol... I'm bad because I'm white? No... If you have a problem with me being white then that's a "you" problem, it's not my fault I was born white and you was raised to be racist to my people. Blacks have much better job opportunities than whites JUST because they are black, they have better access to governmental aid, school etc. And that isn't equality... Equality is being able to have the same opportunities as everyone else... But businesses are "required" to be diverse... Which means if a white man applies with a fantastic resume and a black man does and doesn't have a great track record, he gets the job by default so the background of the business can have more contrast... That's not equality and isn't fair lol.
And if a CEO did actually say "oh you're black" and walk out... I'm sure there's more than enough that can be done to adjust their attitude legally... If that happens to a white man and it does in every single aspect of our lives, people think we are supposed to live with it... We don't and won't and are starting to get sick of being labeled bad just because we exist, just because we are tolerant doesn't mean we won't stand up for ourselves eventually... We are human too and have earned every right we have just like every other race.
Everything they stated is either twisted or outright wrong 😭
This ruling must hurt CNN so much that cnn need keep debating with the rule
So the only way they can keep up is getting preferential treatment? That's more of an insult than anything.. saying u can't make it unless we give u preferential treatment... That's crazy... it's mad hard to get a scholarship in high school u gotta do extra it's crazy, she talking they have to do extra effort what about the other students that r there on a partial scholarship or work study, so if their not black fk em?
U isn’t a word and learn the difference between their, they’re and there.
You’re an embarrassment. As a university professor, I just hope you never show up in my classes.
justice Thomas may follow the "I've got mine!" Theory where once you have what you want/need, forget the rest of you!
No one can say this girl didn't earn her spot at UC Berkeley
As long as she is getting good grades . she belongs there
Whites say she did not earn her position.
@@billyclanton3717 all whites? You lack the intelligence to be involved in the discussion
@@billyclanton3717What does whites have to do with anything in this segment? Get off the Democratic plantation psychology to be free.
Wrong, playing the victimhood game gets old. It's 2023, not 1823.
Diversity imploded at the bottom of the Atlantic last week ……
Literally
Thanks
~Jim Eagle
"College grad" 🤣🤣🤣 good source!!
As a black female physician who made steaight A's in school, graduated Summa Cum Laude in college, scored high on SAT and high on MCAT, and graduated at the top of my class from both ciollege and medical school, I am glad affirmative action has been struck down. I never used or benefitted from affirmative action because ai made straight A's. I am glad Affirmative Action has been struck down. Everyone needs to work hard and achieve their goals based on their own merit and hard work, just like everyone else did to make it in America. The C/D student will not be successful in medical schools, regardless of the race or color of your skin. Asians are not smarter than anyone else, they just work harder to make good grades and become successful just like I did and everyone else did who is successful.
You are making a false assumption that students who benefited from affirmative action are less qualified. Affirmative action is still present, they just removed race. The intent of affirmative action pivots on inclusivity, such as women, race, etc. Hence, white American females have benefited the most from affirmative action.
@@Dr.Simsimyyeah no! then you would be glad that this Racist discriminatory law has been abolished 😊
@@angelabby2379 yeah no to what??? Lol I’m just stating facts.
Everyone comes from a different place and taught different things. No one is equal as in what they know. Everyone should have a chance. It seems like there is a war against the poor trying to better their lives by closing so many colleges.
Yeah there’s a lot more to merit than just test scores and coming from a legacy family. These students actually have a lot to offer the school communities, but the whole conversation is framed like they don’t deserve a “handout” even though it benefits everyone in society except thin skinned racists.
@@EarthShadowFilmslike what? What do they have to offer?
@@alicejones9031Youbdont know and we get that.
@@paulschulte1064 oh, i get it, you cant answer the question. Thought so
@@alicejones9031 You “thought”? Obviously not.
"He's the son of two attorneys"
lmao.
What's so funny about that?? I saw a video on TikTok about the daughter of two white attorneys who was granted legacy admission into Harvard. Do you think this kind of legacy admission happens less than the admission of a black son of two attorneys through race conscious affirmative action? Keep in mind that only 5% of attorneys in the United States are black and that colleges have been spitting out white attorneys (76% of attorneys are white) since the inception of this country when blacks were slaves, it was illegal for blacks to be educated, and various affirmative action programs have been continuously instituted, by both the government and private institutions, to elevate whites while oppressing blacks. Every day America creates programs to assist whites, especially wealthy ones, while curtailing programs to assist minorities, especially blacks. Let's be honest: America has a serious, persistent anti-black problem.
I want to ask this college student does he need affirmative action himself? His parents are both lawyers, so shouldnt he step aside on privilege and let someone else have some?
I bet he is just sore that his student loan won't be forgiven.
I bet Uncle Clarence hates to be called at because he knows it's true and he's token and smoking but he's not broken
They say years of social injustice is the reason for affirmative action, and the reason having it is to level the playing field. As an immigrant who worked my whole life for my family back home to have 3 meals a day, affirmative action is not leveling the playing field.
It's is unconstitutional to push debt onto others. Period
Tell that to the beneficiaries off ppp loans in congress who didn't have to repay them.
@@LG-ct8tw I am not paying your loan. Pay it yourself
Do you want to discuss fairness? Black and Brown students often face different upbringings compared to their white counterparts. Many of us come from underfunded schools without local libraries and limited SAT preparation resources. It's challenging to compete with privileged kids who have attended private schools since an early age, whose parents can afford tutors and extracurricular activities to enhance their resumes. It's important to acknowledge that America has rarely been fair or equal for everyone. If race truly doesn't matter, we should consider removing it as a factor in job applications, loans, and mortgages. Y. It's a misconception to believe that prestigious universities like Harvard admit minority students with low GPAs. In reality, Black and Brown students often have comparable GPAs and SAT scores to their white counterparts. If a Black or Brown student gets into med school, their race won't help them pass a test. However, they do deserve a fair chance to demonstrate their capabilities and have equal opportunities. Society often overlooks us, and only a small percentage of us manage to succeed. By neglecting diversity, we undermine the richness that different perspectives bring to college campuses. It's worth noting that historically, Black people had to establish their own educational institutions to pursue higher education, which contributes to the dominance of primarily white institutions today.
Surely we don't need to listen to people who actually are actually affected by these decisions. More entitled people without impact 🤬
Bring back merit and the SAT
Imagine that Martin Luther King's dream was granted by six conservatives. Thank ya right on.
When you don’t start out at the same starting mark how can he think that?.How can Justice Thomas even think that! Does he not know the history of his own country?
Stop blaming others for your shortcomings
A rich kid of two attorneys who is fully fed, living in a nice apartment, and going to an Ivy League school is the victim. Only in America!
Brainwashed by liberal media to yield to the perennial victimhood mentality and narrative.
If CNN believes in the virtue of diversity why not invite a diversity of viewpoints instead of three guests who all agree with one another?
For every life affirmative action has helped it has also ruined
"Affirmative action" -- nothing "affirmative" about it for asian or white (or indian) students, of course.
Why not just take the best students? Irrespective of race?
So you don't choose your surgeon on race?😂😂
@@markcosenza3274 I sure as shit would get a different surgeon if I found out he got into medical school from a handout and wasn't as qualified as others who earned admission fair and square.
@HmmmYeahRiiiiiight the scary thing is, airlines are replacing experienced white pilots with less qualified for race equity. That's going to be a massive disaster!
@@markcosenza3274 no, do you?
@@matejoblo5628 hell no!
Admission to any institution of higher education should be merit-based and race-blind. Even though I may not directly benefit from the ending of AA, I am still in favor of overturning it. The beneficiaries would be the intelligent and hardworking students who are competent and qualified, who could become our future pilots, doctors, anesthesiologists, architects, and engineers.
Did you know that over 70% of black students admitted to Harvard come from rich families? AA should never have been established in the first place, as it is not helpful to the society and is in fact, discriminatory to truly smart Blacks, Whites, and Asians.
My university had affirmative action, but it didn't stop unqualified students from dropping out. The public school system where I grew up was a joke.
The soft bigotry of low expectations is ripe here on CNN.
Our child did not get a scholarship but another student who achieved less academically and had lower scores than our child received enough financial aide and scholarships so they do not have to pay for their college education. However their parents are surgeons and have the money though leave very humbly . Interesting that we all live on the same street, went to same schools. All of us parents grew up together and we even lived in the same neighborhoods most of our lives before marriage and kids. Our other older child (my stepchild ) who is black(wife is black and her prior husband black) received a scholarship 2 years ago to the same college our other child who is not black (from prior marriage I was a widower when I met my current wife) did not get a scholarship. The only difference was the color of their skin. Our child who did not get a scholarship was because of the skin color so nothing to do if the child had a hard ship in life or did not. All should be equal for all or it is not. Our neighbor child is black/asian.
Grateful for our neighbors , but disappointment for sure that our child did not get any financial help or scholarships suffers because of skin color. Losing his mother to cancer and the even having my child go through cancer and survive and still be as academically as successful as any other hard working successful student in the nation. Just not okay. Our child fights discrimination everyday, depression, anxiety because of a physical disability from cancer.
That’s just my story but this is the story of many deserving families and students who do not get equality
The whole broad stroke of race is insanity. Lots of more privileged blacks are getting a leg up over less privileged Asians etc.
And, evidence of your assertions is what. None posted here. I'm a white guy and got what I deserved when I applied to college as a lazy HS student. Good SAT scores, I ended up going to a State College and working for 3 years b/f re-applying. I was finally accepted to UVM as they saw my potential and good grades. I didn't disappoint going from a b/c/D student to Dean's List my last 2 years and inducted into honor society. Some kids just need time to grow up and get focused. What I do know is any comparison is a waste of time and depressing. You will always lose when comparing against others. My neighbor kids went to Dartmouth, big deal. I'm in the top 10% of earners, retired; product of an eight grade education and a HS education.
I always think that students with early hardship are given leverage. Don't they consider the parent's race as well? By just considering the student race which is something they cannot change is just not fair. It's the whole package that comes with it
It wasn’t because the color of their skin, it’s because your kid was swimming in the margins. If they did better, they might have had the scholarship.
I agree that there are other types of significant privileges and disadvantages that should be accounted for though.
Your story just seems all over the place, and a little too convenient.