Coleman Hughes reacts to affirmative action ruling
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- "I've heard many people on the left sort of hyperventilating about the consequences of this decision for black Americans," says @ColemanHughesOfficial of the Supreme Court's recent ruling on affirmative action in college admissions.
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Merit not AA should always be the gold standard for any higher education institutions entry
How do you explain college admissions for George W. Bush, John McCain and Donald Trump?
@@hdlc4635 Merit
@@dillonsparks3492When you have legacy admissions you don't have merit
Yeah execpt how are we gonna keep the Asians out?
@@dillonsparks3492Nepotism and payoffs are what you call "merit?!"
Hughes is a rare voice of sanity. I'm glad to see he's providing a thoughtful counter-narrative to all the hysteria.
It's not about ethnics. It's about putting the best and brightest in essential positions.
It’s also about keeping the preferential treatment of certain groups of people in this country. Especially in college admissions.
The race box should be illegal.
@@restgalaxy4285 too late. Over 250 years of discrimination has already been committed.
@@jrey120so therefore we should continue another form of racial discrimination because hey at least it's not against blacks? Pfft
@@y2ksurvivor you think that allowing minorities equal opportunities is racism? Wow. Can’t argue with that now can we? And I’m not talking about blacks, you are, I’m talking about all minorities to include women.
Let's get back to the vibe Gen X had. We had racism on the ropes. We laughed at racist jokes about others and ourselves but regarded racist people as fools stuck in the horrible past we were lucky to be born after. In the 90's if you were against racism it just meant you were a regular person. The person making the hard-core racist jokes usually got the hint nobody was laughing with him and occasionally he got knocked out. We had tough conversations without worrying about pissing each other. Anthrax and Public Enemy onstage together is a good example.
Too much togetherness isn't good for those at the top sticking it to us so Division became the game again. Politicians been playing that game since forever, Telecommunications Act in 96 made it much easier to control Info.
Don't let the TV, tablet, phone, or Teacher make you hate your neighbor. Keep thinking and keep talking to one another, People!
Chris Forever Young
*Yawn
@@jrey120 viva la raza
@@h.p.lovecraft936 Lmaooo
They keep us distracted so we don't ask what they are really up too!
What do you think is going to happen when all our jobs disappear, to A.I. and robotics? There's going to be millions unemployed!
So Republicans and Democrats voters keep on selling out all our future's!
The thing that bothers me most is I'm one of the only ones who sees this comming!!!
We are doomed.....
@@h.p.lovecraft936 We don't get along.
The colleges are for the best. Not skin. This skin deserves more that deserves less. Racist idea. Completely.
Yeah, crazy to think someone should be treated different because of the amount of pigment in your skin. The people who are the loudest voices in pushing racism are those with the most to benefit from pushing that narrative.
Wahhh!
It’s incredible a majority can agree that AA is bad in the context of education, but it is still so common in corporate hiring practices.
I thought libertarians believed corporations and other private entities should have whatever hiring practices they wanted
Thats the libertarian position, technically, but individual libertarians are free to believe whatever they want
@@theGefilteFist so " libertarian" philosophy pliable. Which means they believe in nothing.
@DDd-gm8uz libertarian means nothing, just like conservative and liberal mean nothing
@@eliw6607 do cheating spouses mean marriage doesnt exist? And if it doesnt then what are they cheating on?
Remember the the late 90s and early 2000 when we were all Americans? Weather it was white, black or brown we were Americans first but now it's all democrats vs republicans and good vs evil and good is losing!
We're all Americans but race has always been a defining factor in America. And it has always been Democrat versus Republican and good versus evil.
When was this exactly???
After 9/11, I’d say that’s the time when Americans were closest to being E pluribus unum.
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 once again who are these Americans you’re speaking of? A little bit of revisionist history there? Hate crimes against Arabs, Indians, south Asians. Etc. skyrocketed in the months right after that happened. The amount of racism towards black peoples didn’t change, People were still yelling about closing the border to “DeMs MesXeCaHns StEhLin OauR JaHBs!”
And I’m 100% sure the news channels were showing clips of that mosque that got burned down a couple days after 911.
But sure we will go with your version of events. 👌🏾
@@brittneywitherspoon8530 all americans except muslims...
because I remember plenty of anti-muslim sentiments during that time.
even against muslims born in this country
Everybody needs a common enemy to unite against
but do we really want to always be seeking a common enemy just so we can be united?
America should focus on fixing K-12, especially in poor school districts. Help the 6-year old black and Hispanic kids first, not just the 18-year olds
Fear is the mind killer
It’s not about fear, it about the racists that are running around today. If AA wasn’t necessary, then why not leave it in place? Because the racists knew which is why they wanted to have is ended.
@@BlueSteel07
Yeah, why not just leave a racist policy in place?
@@BlueSteel07we can't leave affirmative action in place because it was being used to give certain people preferential treatment over others
These schools they are talking about don’t have a high percentage of black applicants or black students. There are so many universities in the United States most kids are not going into massive debt to get a degree from an Ivy League school when they can get the same degree from a state public school.
Very well spoken!
Enough with the poor me card
The academic decile chart is very misleading. If 50% of Asian applicants were admitted, they would have to admit more freshman than slots available. You have to consider the number of applicants. If only two blacks applied and one was admitted, then that would be a 50% acceptance rate while 500 Asians admitted among 10,000 applicants would be only 5%. This is despite 500x more Asians being admitted. This is an exaggerated example for illustrative purposes, but reflects the mathematical reality of those admittance discrepancies. Nobody seems to want to mention that the lower Asian acceptance rate still leads to a plurality of Asians on campus. If more blacks applied, a smaller percentage would be admitted.
Also, if you look at the decile chart, you'll see that Asians in the top decile are losing spots to other Asians in the lower deciles. Why is that?
Is there something wrong with the best students being accepted, regardless of race?
@@francisjo3 "Best" is a nebulous term. Which criteria should be included? Grades? Test scores? Class rank? Extracurriculars? Athletics? Socioeconomic background? Legacy status? Children of faculty? The ranking of the high school you attended? Is someone with perfect test scores, a 4.0 GPA and no extracurriculars better than someone with a 3.95 GPA, near perfect test scores and also captain of their debate team?
@@mr_knowitall and you know what's wild? for those 200 schools, MOST of the "black" students are not African American. first or second generation immigrants are the ones making it in. the colleges do not have to report ethnicity, and so their solution to the affirmative action dilemma has been to let in higher performing black immigrants in lieu of African Americans, immigrants who would have gotten in anyway based on merit, so that they don't have an over represented black student body. It's amazing black people are coming here straight from Africa and boom they already have a higher socioeconomic status than white people. I guess they didn't get the memo about systemic racism.
@@ChristianToth-uv1nv Are you surprised that blacks who grew up outside of the SYSTEM aren't as susceptible to SYSTEMIC racism? Did those Africans have to transition out of segregation and the economically depressed communities it created? Are they stereotyped the same as African Americans? Those Africans who arrive here are the wealthy or upwardly mobile Africans, filtered by the visa process for educational and/or occupational attainment....or their parents were. It's not really that "amazing" that they achieve higher on average than populations that haven't been filtered as such, including their populations back home.
But you bring up an interesting point. Even though the black representation at elite Universities is predominantly African, notice how they still blame favoritism towards African Americans for their presence there?
@@ChristianToth-uv1nvfinally someone who points this out. If affirmative action is so racist in favor of African Americans, then why are so many other groups benefitting from it?
Merit is fine so get rid of legacy admission. Then it will be 100% merit based...
First time seeing Coleman Hughes, and I am pleasantly surprised to find he is black/hispanic; I've read and enjoyed some of his substack columns without ever realizing it, or even thinking about it. Maybe society actually is becoming more post-racial. I grew up ignorant of races, society pushed it down my throat, and maybe that is subsiding bit by bit.
You’re surprised that he black/Hispanic??? Why? Because black Hispanics can’t be intellectual? Sure you’re not racist? … I’m sorry you feel that the racist history of this country was “pushed down your throat” pffff
AA has always been virtue signalling !
The left always talks about level playing field well now we got one
When we talk about a level playing field it has nothing to do with affirmation action at the college level. We're talking about where each person starts out in life. A black person in this country is starting out at a far worse position than a white person which means that if there's a finish line to get to the black person will have to work much harder to get there. Not to mention, we still live in a country where black people are negatively stereotype and discriminated against while white people are treated as individuals.
@26AccountsRemoved Racism.
@@exiledfrommyself you are extremely ignorant there are millions upon millions of unfortunate white people that start at the bottom as well. Life is not fair it never will be. Anyone who tells you they will make it fair is only looking for power for themselves
@@exiledfrommyself What does starting position in life have to do with skin color?
Are you to say that Will Smith's son or Barrack Obama's Daughters start out more disadvantaged than kids of white "trailer trash" living in a trailer park?
Or are you saying that because they are Black they have biological disadvantages that make their abilities inferior to whites.
Because only on a basis of these protected classes being biologically inferior does affirmative action even come close to making sense.
@@exiledfrommyselfcomplains about how black people are stereotyped and then proceeds to stereotype white people.
The wokes diversity means ADVERSITY
It literally doesn't but okay 🥴
@@justicecampbell3892 are you a judge!
@@HarHah you don't have to be a judge to know someone (you) is making something up
@@p0rnany0ne please learn how to write a proper sentence
@@HarHah learn english first
Reasoned and thoughtful discussion.
Hello,
What about bus schooling?
Does it make a difference on the long run please?
Cheers,
Lionel
Opportunities - Educational, Employment, or otherwise - based wholly, or even partially, on race, gender, and/or sexual orientation, allow for the denial of those very same opportunities, based on those very same criteria.
With regard to Employment, EEO laws exist to protect all applicants and employees from discrimination.
Which begs the question -
If The Supreme Court ruled that race based college admissions are in violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, then wouldn't race based employment also be in violation of this same Clause?
Source for that chart comparing academic performance vs race? How are the deciles being computed?
Pull up your pants your life is choices! You cant play the victim for ever.
Exactly
who are you talking to?
@@sjacks3281 You and plenty of others.
Plenty of generational African Americans knew that AA didn't benefit their ethnicity.
Which is why the reasons for getting rid of it were absurd
This isn't true. There are stats that show a lot of students in the top docile getting denied while those in lower dociles getting admitted.
There is too many black NBA players lets have some Asians players?
Isn’t it funny how when anything is majority White the Democrats call for diversity, but when it’s majority Black, Asian or Arab, there is silence from the left on diversity. Diversity is a racist code word for anti White.
It doesn't work that way. How many Asians are actually trying to become NBA players?
@@HairyBottomThat's because there's usually some racism involved when institutions are overwhelmingly White. And when institutions are overwhelmingly white, minorities tend to be discouraged from going after a position they're qualified for. They believe they won't get the position because of their skin color.
@@exiledfrommyself That’s exactly what we were saying to the left about Black people joining certain sports that they don’t care about. We were saying that how many Black people are trying to join this sport. Sport being generic.
@@exiledfrommyselfNot many Harvard Blacks are trying to be Harvard students so Harvard flies recruiters out to find more black students. How many NBA teams are sending recruiters to Asians?
California did see a decline in enrollment for generational african Americans and latinos after they banned Affirmative action
If it's a result of having lower grades, then maybe they should try harder!
Keep telling the truth and exposing the race baiters. Great work!
Definitely sounds like what the Right depends on!
Coleman speaks as if he thinks body language experts are watching and he's trying not to give them anything to work with. I wonder how he looks when he's smitten, head over heels about a girl.
The playing field is not level, for college admission! Affirmative action should be tapered as the field levels out, not removed right now
So why can't affirmative action just be based on income instead of race?
Get good grades. And you get a good school period
This only applies to about 200 schools out of 4000 institutions of higher learning.
and you know what's wild? for those 200 schools, MOST of the "black" students are not African American. first or second generation immigrants are the ones making it in. the colleges do not have to report ethnicity, and so their solution to the affirmative action dilemma has been to let in higher performing black immigrants in lieu of African Americans, immigrants who would have gotten in anyway based on merit, so that they don't have an over represented black student body. It's amazing black people are coming here straight from Africa and boom they already have a higher socioeconomic status than white people. I guess they didn't get the memo about systemic racism.
@@ChristianToth-uv1nv
That’s nonsense. The entire purpose of AA was to insure that the African American community would be represented in those schools not Africans. Clearly you have no actual research into this issue.
@@drstevej2527 yeah don't look it up. its kind of f'ed up I agree but these institutions don't want to take in underperforming students if they don't have to. Most of the black in Ivies are what I call "Obama black."
The worst thing about affirmative action is that it sets-up many black students for failure by placing them in colleges that they are not prepared for. The black student that is admitted to one of the elite schools and then flunks out in the first year would probably have done great at a lower tier (although still very good) school.
six-year graduation rates (a commonly-used metric in higher education) for "Black" students are higher at Harvard and Princeton than they are for the overall student body.
At Harvard, it’s 98% for undergraduates overall and 99% for "Black" collegians.
It’s also 99% for "Black" students at Princeton, compared to 97% of bachelor’s degree seekers there overall.
Additionally, 98% of Yale students graduate within six years - the percentage is the exact same for "Black" Yalies.
and the reason most "black" people drop out is because of financial reasons or personal obligations
Fix the lower schools and applicant quality will no longer differ substantially by race. Good K-12 education benefits society as a whole, so we should give it to everyone, not just those in wealthier neighborhoods.
I hope legacy admissions will be abolished as well
Who the hell is Coleman hue ?? Whatver
How is he not African American
What about legacy students?
9:37 to 10:04 - Yeah that's pretty Orwellian when you think about it.
It was always about progressive virtue signalling and nothing to do with combating racism.
Plz with the VS . Ty. What does that even mean??? We all hv diff beliefs. Weird I know. Peace Out✌️✌️🇺🇸
I think it funny
What I don't get is how the Supreme Court could tell a private institution how they should run their institutions. That's the job of the legislature, not the court. The Supreme Court is supposed to weigh in when the government oversteps its bounds, not a private entity.
Because the private institution takes federal funds, therefore by, extension, they need to operate within federal guidelines. The legislature cannot pass legislation that violates the 14th amendment.
People are so weird. They seem to think being black alone will get you into the college. You still have to meet the qualifications. Then the other criteria is looked at. They are not walking up to random black people on the streets saying “Hey, you want to go to Harvard?” 😂😂😂
With that said, to be honest, idgaf about AA because it doesn’t benefit me anyway. Not in the work place and certainly not in my college decision. So rather it goes or stays, I don’t care.
Lastly, it’s funny how everyone says AA is racist, when everything about America is racist lol. So we was okay with every other racist thing? Lmao I can’t
What's "racist" about America? AA literally discriminates admissions based on race. What does "everything" have in comparison? Enlighten us if you so dare.
AA is racist by its actual definition
This man is not African-American. This token doesn’t speak for us.
No one black speaks for all blacks. Typical racist thinking.
Coleman has never claimed to speak for all black people.
@@sarahg2653 Yes, he has. He has admitted to pretending to be black American to receive more media attention.
Affirmative action is just democrats telling black people that they think they're too incompetent to accomplish getting an education good enough to get into college.
@@Sweet-as-banana dubious claim. Doesn't sound like anything Coleman would say. Where and when was this said?
This law was made to include particular groups that were historically discriminated against for hundreds of years.
@@meyou4923nailed it
It didn't fix the problem though. Turns out the solution to historical racism is not modern racism. Policies should be judged on their merits, not their intentions and AA has not been remotely successful.
@@harmonicarchipelgo9351someone here fucking gets it.
What law? Is affirmative action a law? I wasn't aware that Harvard University made laws.
@@harmonicarchipelgo9351 there are now minorities enrolled in all universities, and you’re claiming that it didn’t work? That’s hilarious!
Need some dissenters on these interviews also
Why would they use data on the amount of CEO’s from Ivy League schools wouldn’t the data point that’s relevant be wealth or average income after graduation?
It seems like a point is being avoided.
Is there no additional value in networking at an Ivy League school?
This just seems overtly intellectually dishonest.
Is there no multigenerational value to higher income and higher value networking?
The rich will always have the money. An guess what? We only getting the crumbs. Ok. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It sucks. What we gone do? So many inequities in our “Nation”. Shit playa, i waz labled a WCN last week. Who’da thought?? So sick a time to unravel the mess we’re in. Good luck out there, i heard crime is up. ✌️🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@ericpitre4031 You don’t think people should try to be rich(financially comfortable ) or have help getting over structural generational wealth issues?
@@TheRoyL i run freight trucks. I see corperate unfairness daily. Wage disparagies,etc. Your pres wont force corperations to come bk here, build schools to teach our youth to do the job, pay good wages. U dig? Ok here it is; pay attn; the profit margins will never be lowered. Thats the problemo. I get it that when investors invest, they want mega~profits. I guess its a risk/amount ratio?? You know where im going. Not sho if we agree so be Kewel, playa.❄️✌️
the networking these people have is there regardless of where they went to school.
@@p0rnany0ne Your response doesn’t work within the concept of networking.
People grow networks, higher value networks have high odds if social and financial mobility.
Of course, y’all just had to get a Black person to talk about this topic. Why didn't you invite an Asian person? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
COLLEGE ISN’T THE F-ING PROBLEM. IF Y’ALL REALLY WANT HELP BLACKS, HELP THEM OUT IN THE K-12 SCHOOL SYSYEMS.
thank you