2023 update: So obviously this video is fairly old now, and I wanted to provide an updated opinion on the matter I still think that the DLC is perfectly balanced and suited for Master Mode, as that was released alongside the DLC - but normal mode can easily be broken due to these early, OP rewards. If a game is bought alongside the DLC, a lot of first time players will feel entitled to look up the locations of the loot that "they paid extra money for". This creates a first playthrough that undervalues key systems in the base game (getting attack armor super early, rushing the main story to get a motorcycle and better sword) Now of course if you want to play this way, by all means, but it's the equivalent of sparknoting a book instead of just reading it. I guess the main takeaway is that these rewards, with their elusiveness on how they are presented and earned, are balanced. But if you seek them out immediately using guides on a first time playthrough because "I bought this, I deserve it now", then you're gonna experience a pretty unbalanced playthrough that undervalues the base game. TLDR: Experience this game as blind as possible because it's worth it, and if you bought the DLC with it I recommend letting those rewards/quests come to you naturally instead of looking up where they are
I should add that being able to get some of this OP loot early is GREAT for challenge running in subsequent playthroughs! For these, the less prerequisites the better, and BotW has achieved well in this by making a lot of it's rewards not hard to get, but rather hard to find - which increases the replayability for challenge runs and using different things!
Trials of sword were hard man I got the game and within 2 months beat normal mode then got the DLC and within a month 100 percent completed master mode...but holy crap that was by far the hardest part Getting the master cycle from scratch I did in one night when I got the dlc ( played till 5 AM this games frickin fun ok yes i was an addict at the time ) But the trials of the sword... That thing took me like 2 weeks to beat in normal mode I did it first try in master mode but that's cuz I was way better at the game by that point Trials of the sword were HARRRRRRRD
I still haven't finished it either, because I find fighting in an unnatural pitch black darkness to be more of an annoying difficulty than a fun challenge. Croton, of all your great points, I think that one was a little off. If someone is good enough to complete all the trials, they've definitely proven themself enough to deserve a game-breaking weapon upgrade, since the trials are FAR more difficult than anything else I can remember in the game. 🤷🏼♀️
The most op thing in BOTW is putting the Thunder Helm on, going to a lightning zone, and using only metal tools. Run into combat, and watch the enemies EXPLODE.
At least getting the Thunder Helm takes doing several sidequests but yeah, you can actually go through several quests and dungeons and be electric proof
@@ashtonheide6960 Yeah, but the rubber armor is useless compared to the thunder helm, because you can wear a fully boosted barbarian top and bottom and have high attack and be lightning proof.
I agree with the Armor and Majora's mask point, but cycle and the master sword buff are well earned as they both take a considerable amount of time to achieve as is. They don't need more prerequisites.
Agreed because before this I hated having to always gather weapons that are good because major tests of strength and Lionel’s are easy but just annoying to constantly get
concidering that the first time I got the master cycle I had already compleated everything short of the korok seeds, and therefor had no reason to use it what so ever I say from experiance that geting it after you've compleated the game is increadably disapointing.
@@Notalizardspy True for me at least. The DLC armours can give you a kick start in master mode, and they really get less and less significant as you progress towards late-game, since none of the DLC items can upgrade. tbh if you're only installing DLC after almost completion, you'd likely already have armours with the same effects but higher stats anyway, and that renders the DLC armours only valuable for appearance and as collectables.
I think the DLC is meant to be played after at least defeating all the Divine Beasts, considering you can't do the champion's ballad without doing so. Even though I played BOTW a year after the DLC came out, I waited until I beat it before I got it, and felt like it added a whole new layer to the game. Because they added the DLC a year after BOTW came out, I feel like they designed it to be used AFTER the player has been playing for a while, not bought with the game and used right away. Edit: but I fully agree that items like the Phantom armor and Majora's mask made some other items pretty useless.
That's very true!! I definitely think that the Phantom armor and the Majoras Mask are easily some of the most gamebreaking items - considering how easy they are to obtain from the start. I'm glad the other rewards had far more requirements to obtain, but they all felt like things that should been obtained in the post game, and not anytime sooner. Thanks for watching though!! 😄
@@Croton Until I saw this video, I had no idea the Phantom set was quite so game-breaking! You see, I didn't purchase and install the DLC until after I'd completed the main game. By then I'd upgraded the Barbarian set to its max level, and by comparison, the Phantom set had nothing to offer but nostalgia. 🤷🏼♀️
The phantom armor and majora’s mask should be harder to get but the fully powered up master sword and the master cycle zero was meant to be as broken as it was because by then you don’t need it Beating trial of the sword proves that you don’t need the new master sword and traveling is basically very short since you only to complete shrines with the main reasons of running everywhere already finished
3:04 “was not how the game was intended to be played.” Isn’t this game about doing your own thing and breaking the linearity of older titles? Also, the dlc came out long enough after the game that people (who bought it around launch) were using it for fun/master mode.
The first part of your comment is true, but that doesn't mean proper game balance isn't essential for a better experience. You can play it how you want, but introducing options that are objectively better than almost everything else in the game (especially early on) can make it unsatisfying to overcome challenges in your own way.
hee ho the armor is completely optional and anyone who wants to rely more on themselves than really good gear can do that by not getting the armor. Just as anyone who wants good armor really easily can have it.
@@heeho5495 2 words to defeat your phantom armor point Buff food Also the fact unless you look it up you probably won't find it being that its hidden and the cycle is only obtainable after you defeat all 4 beasts and at that point you've already stopped using the highly inconvenient horses and trial of the sword unless you are good at the game is hard so you must atleast git gud beforehand all this o it completely invalidates the early game yeah if you have foreknowledge so really only on subsequent playthroughs would this even be a problem and even then i would say its to help people who are playing through on a new file like mad men
imo the royal guard set is one of the best utility outfits in the game. It shows that it just reduces charge attack stamina usage on the menu, but in reality it also reduces the stamina usage on dashing in water and jumping while climbing, which makes sense as it was worn by the most elite soldiers in hyrule. This makes it great as an all in one stamina set.
In _Tears_ it can now be blessed by Great Fairies, but with ingredients that require significant effort to find. I actually haven’t seen if it retains all the same bonuses from the original version but my God it still looks unbelievably good. Maybe the best drip in a game with a ton of great fashion.
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 That's very true. I've did that for almost a run but after like a hour of using it I just didnt use it. But it does kinda balance out being 1 defense
"the dlc hands them out like candy" *looks at my save which hasnt made it past floor 3 of the trial of the sword* right...candy...so concrete jawbreakers?
I somewhat disagree with the master cycle, because apart from perhaps shrines, there isnt realy anywhere that helps immensly by having the bike at this point because the only next step is to beat ganon (or go for the korok seeds but if you do all of them your a complete phsycho anyways).
A year late but I was actually going to make the same point. Like, master cycle is 100% a post game item in my opinion. If there was a new game+ option or something similar I would understand, but where it's at in the game basically just let's you get to where you've already been, faster. That's it. It's for being goofy when you're already out of things to do.
I feel that most players wouldn't know where to find the "overpowered" items on their first playthrough, and the Majora's mask and phantom armor were intended to assist veterans in Master mode.
Exactly. Master mode is tough! Knowing where to find stuff in your second playthrough is half the fun! Playing master mode you play the game in a completely different way since you already know how the game goes.
@AimlessCinderKnight Its only because I get like 30 comments a day on this video, so responding to all of them each day would be nearly impossible lol. But when it comes to the early game armors, I feel they are way more helpful and balanced for master mode, but the fact that these same armors can be found in normal too feels like a bit of a crutch. Considering how close Majora's Mask is to the Plateau, the player can easily nab this first and get a lot of other OP equipment early - without having the risk of enemy's always attacking you
I think you're looking at these from a "pro's perspective" and completely discounting Hero/Master Mode. After learning the game's combat mechanics and becoming at least mildly consistent with triggering Flurry Rush, the game is effectively trivial with or without this DLC. The only difference beyond this point is how often you need to swap weapons, and if you've effectively mastered the game, why NOT be rewarded by having the tedium of weapon swapping reduced? Don't get me wrong, I love the combat mechanics they've added in BOTW along with the weapon management, but I don't understand how any of these rewards "break" the game. The Trial of the Sword was BRUTAL in Master Mode. Every floor made my heart beat faster than the last and I was SO PUMPED when I finally beat it. Your biggest factor in success is your level of skill. If you can't get a hang of the mechanics, you're going to struggle.
and lets say it did break the game botw is open world and a do whatever u want game no one will care if it broke the game as long as its fun if its not fun w the op wepons then u can just de equip it lets not forget master mode too ur gonna need the op things asap.
I don't think there needs to be more prerequisites, I feel the DLC should rather just have been balanced around the base game. I feel the fully charged master sword is a bit too broken though. Sure in most Zelda games, you'd only be using the Master Sword once you got it, but I feel like i NEVER have to switch weapons. The recharge time is so little.
@@rebeliousreligion9843 yeah, this whole discussion is kind of pointless when skyrim is such an insane game, with weapons that stagger on every hit, stunlocking enemies (the sword you get on the ship where you kill the king), vegetable soup laughing at the concept of stamina management and allowing for infinite heavy attacks/shield bashes, enchanting alchemy loops for infinite stats and many more hilariously op and literally game breaking "features"
I think these are good points except for the fact that most people, including me bought the DLC after beating the base game, so the upgrades aren’t super broken.
I sorta followed this. I’ve only had botw for a few weeks and the DLC around 4 days. I basically beat the game-got all memories, most side quests and a little over half the shrines- and did the DLC even though I haven’t beaten Ganon yet.
Yeah, that makes the arc more like: starter stuff, getting decent stuff, then progressing more to lynel weapons and stuff, defeat ganon, then play around with botw with your hard-earned DLC stuff.
Agreed I played through with out any dlc content and loved it in fact I’m starting again since my progress didn’t save when I moved switches and I completely forgot about the dlc content
I think the DLC chests being at the beginning is fine. It's there for the players who either want to go faster or don't have a lot of time to play. Since they are optional and not forced I wouldn't say it ruins the experience.
I’m in this boat. I’m playing it for the first time and installed the DLC early. But I’m choosing to avoid the over powered items while still enjoying the other content.
Going to disagree with the claim of the upgrade Master Sword replacing the weapon cycling combat loop. Not counting players who intentionally glitch the game to gain access early, most players casual will probably end up clearing most shrines in the game before being able to beat the Trial of the Sword. If a player is skilled enough to beat the Trial early they by all means deserve access to the upgraded Master Sword as they have clearly shown a mastery of the game's systems. That being said, there are also weapons that outclass the Master Sword in endgame so there is a good chance that casual players will already have access to stronger weapons by the time they beat the Trial and experienced players would likely be taking full advantage of them.
here's his other failure: "The weapons switching system that made BotW so FUN" The forced weapons switching system was the most aggravating and obnoxious part of BotW, and if Nintendo doesn't offer some other options for BotW2, I'll be panning it.
I managed to beat the final trials with 15 hearts cause my shield parrying was on point, and that's the only reason. I ended up having 8 ancient arrows before starting floor 22 (final one) Like I've beaten it 3 times ever and they were because of LUCK the first time ever was for my friend who always died on floor 22, after 7 hours of playing me and my friend managed to do it, the 2nd time was on my 1st 100% run, which again was entirely because of LUCK.
@@GreyAcumen depend on what you like and seek , i think the weapon breaking system is genuis . This is refine and new unlike every other rpg , open world game in the entire world. The upgrade master sword is really good to use but still break the entire weapon system of botw . Like what do you need to farm if you already have a powerfull weapon who doesnt break ? Thats just boring in my opinion . I love farming lynel and ganon castle to get powerful item but with master sword well i do not need to farm anymore which lead to do nothing and this is boring . For me and my opinion
@@darkpk1 - If the only purpose to your farming is to replace the weapons you trash by farming, there's still no point. If you're the type of person that doesn't mind that, you can just decide to not use the master sword after you unlock it.
"Hand them out like candy" I mean, when i finally obtained the 13 hearts and the Great Deku Tree offered me to do the trial of the hero, I wasted all my weekend getting beaten up and being really angry and furious because of its difficulty, so no, the Master Sword upgrade it's not like candy at all.
Why does everyone keep saying this?? There's a reference to the bike n the main game I believe... It's kind of crappy link gets a dinky ass dirt bike while the other Divine beast are huge monster like tanks lol... LINK gets a mopad lmao n STILL KICKS THERE ASSES N THATS BEFORE HE GETS HIS BABY DIVINE PUPPY LOL... NOT A BEAST THE DIRT BIKE LOL
Phantom armor was intended for Master Mode. The 24 defense is pretty useless, and the attack boost is required to keep up with health regen. My gripe with the DLC is that none of the armors are upgradeable, and instead of making them unique, they are mostly just inferior copies of other standard armors. Missed opportunity if you ask me.
Yeah. It'd be nice if there was some sort of mid-game/late-game challenge you could do to unlock the ability to upgrade the DLC equipment. For example, after you've found the last Great Fairy, you show her the armor, but she doesn't recognize the materials or something. So you go to the Hateno village scientist lady, & she examines them. You don't have the set she's examining, because she's still doing it. However, since this is later in the game, it shouldn't be a problem, since you'll have other equipment to make up for it. After a few in-game days, you can talk to her again, & she'll tell you where you can find the materials for it. They'll be special limited materials unique to the set, & you only need to upgrade the set once for it to be maxed out.
And with the unique thing, there's a couple of unique traits for some of the gear, but again, all it comes down to is discount/bootleg version of this armor, _but _*_also_*_ discount/bootleg of _*_this_*_ armor._ I'd like it if they did actually unique things. As for what, I can't really think of anything outside of a throwaway gimmick, since I haven't played the game in a very long time.
I think it would have been cool if the phantom armour had a percent chance to phase threw attacks. Keep it at its 24 rating. But when you have all three pieces equiped boom 25 percent chance that an attack will miss you completely.
I feel like the phantom armor is still op in master mode, i've been playing it and I've finished all the divine beasts without the stat boosting armor.
My biggest qualm with armor in general is that it’s a mess in the inventory when you have so much, and that the set of the Wild only gives measly master sword beam damage up instead of doubling master sword damage like it should. This is a Zelda game. I get that the weapon durability mechanic is fun early on, but after you’ve beaten all 120 shrines, there’s no reason that the set of the Wild can’t make the master sword OP
@@williamknaupp4158 yeah, he's saying this like no one has never played, i love this guy tho, but now he's excepting everyone to have 0 hours. i have 300-400 hours and i don't even have the DLCs, but if i buy them i want to unlock everything new as the first things i will do
You were talking about the master cycle ruining horse transportation, but I’m pretty sure there are many more ways of transportation that also ruin horses (BTB, Windbombing)
And also by the time you get the Master Cycle you’ve already explored a very large chunk of the map. At that point the Master Cycle is just a method to travel to places the Horses can’t go, it’s also not faster than Horses and it requires you to give it items in order to keep using it whereas Horses just need to be tamed and then they’re good to go.
@@scientificapple69 it's not, you can get a 5 speed horse that is the fastest method of travel, and with the ancient bridle you have even more dashes as well.
is it just me or does anyone else want a "archers" armour set, where it increases bow damage and the upgraded set bonus lets you use less stamina when in bowtime
me who didn't buy dlc until after beating the game: ha EDIT: you can stop replying "same" now. I've had enough. this video is a year old, i made this comment at three in the morning, stop it. please.
Pretty sure they're meant for brand new Master Mode playthroughs, hence the stat distribution. That being said, they could've had different stats between modes, or had better bonuses based on how many hearts you had when you got them, something like that, to make them more viable for base mode new games or making them viable options in late game regardless of difficulty.
Very true!! I was actually just talking to someone else in the comments about this, that the DLC rewards feel far more balanced to the games master mode then the regular mode. In that case, I don't have a problem with where the rewards are positioned in a master mode playthrough, but I just think that the normal mode should have been taken into greater consideration. Those are definitely some good potential changes though!!
Ahhhhh.... Thank you very much for the next theme of my next Master mode playthrough... Using the DLC to my advantage! I think I'll try something like this before though and I end up going back to wandering and upgrading armors I'll try to be strict this time lol
@@Croton Don't forget, the phantom armor is not exactly as easy as you made it out to be to obtain. There are Guardians patrolling the areas where you'll find them. And they will oneshot you if you don't get the chests out of the ground fast enough.
My main issue is with the korok mask. I feel like I always have to wear it when running around. I would have preferred an elixer recipe or something like that.
Honestly, when it comes to trying to find all of the game's Korok seeds, there are so many that I feel no shame in using an interactive map that completely eliminates the need for the Korok mask.
My partner and I share a copy of the game, but she has the DLC on her switch and I've been playing base game, the biggest difference is how many inventory slots she has over me due to the mask
I actually believe the master sword upgrade was needed in base game. When I got the master sword, which is links main weapon, I was super disappointed to see that it ran out of energy so quickly, and the upgraded master sword was a GREAT way to implement the sword mire
I agree. And the Master Sword’s 30 output made me use other weapons most of the time. I only used the Master Sword to break open ores or other things that I didn’t want my other weapons to take damage on.
@@Scornfull Having the only unbreakable weapon in the game be so powerful would completely nullify any reason to use any other weapon. Good game design is more important than having the master sword be completely overpowered just because it's called the master sword.
On master mode these trials make me want to pull my hair out lmao On normal, just eat a 30min attack buff before entering and it feels like the plateau again haha
The sword trials and master cycle are perfect in the place they're in if you ask me. Good rewards for moderately difficult challenges. I gotta agree on the chest armors though, any new player can grab those almost immediately, and it's even encouraged since you get the quests for them right after beating the plateau.
dude there are quite a lot of guardians around those phantom armor set locations. most new players are not gonna get those right away, hell its super risky even trying till you are either a pro at parrying or have some ancient arrows, so typically you have to get as far as akala and hateno which by then you can easily have 2 star soldier armor which has higher defense. that's not too early considering unlike barbarian or fierce deity set you cannot upgrade the phantom set. so then you can choose between higher defense or attack power and you have 2 decent armor sets till you can get those other sets upgraded which tbh first timers who explore and have fun wont likely get the phantom set for at least 20-30 hours if they ever find the set at all. i never got the set till around 25 hours then i managed to get enough ancient stuff to craft the ancient helmet then i had 2 star soldier set i would pair with the helmet for guardians and the phatom set for most encounters. its not game breaking at all unless you are multiple playthroughs in and are some psycho who drops off the plateau and immediately runs after those pieces like a crazy person with only 4 hearts.
On my first playthrough, I was entirely blind. I saw the guardians walking around and I bailed, because Oh God No It Can Move. I stayed as far away from Hyrule field as I could until I had enough hearts, weapons, and armor to not die in 2 seconds. I'm on my 2nd Master Mode run now, and I'm gonna go ahead and say that any blind newbie who runs into Hyrule field and manages to hunt down all the hidden chests with vague directions, killing or outfoxing a crapload of guardians and a Lynel has earned the right to be OP.
TRUE. If you are getting the hidden chest early in the game, then you are looking up spoilers, and you could care less if you are overpowered. But if you are not looking stuff up and just figuring it out on your own, chances are you would not figure out where the hidden chests are in Hyrule field until latter in the game.
true, he do be like "hey i played this way myself so its the correct one" well if you have the dlc you know that those rewards exist BUT u dont have any fcking idea of where they are + the normal way of getting it requires to visit another place to search a fcking book and then go find the treasure hidden in a riddle. Well, yes items are OP early but who tf is gonna get them early in his 1st run without destroying the game by himself looking up a guide lmao
@@happynebula5437 that's my point. It's not really overpowered, bc to get to it you have to do so much shit and fight a boss a trillion times harder than the joke of a boss that is Calamity Ganon.
I personally love the DLC. As someone who is garbage at BoTW I find the Phantom armor EXTRMELY useful for getting my starting point set up. Then I typically save it for Blight battles once I get my footing.
Ah yes, because instant gratification isn't detrimental to game design. It's good to have to work hard and get intimate with the game's mechanics, while only periodically getting slightly better gear, instead of having a quest for early game god-armor preloaded. Sure, if you're really not that good at the core combat mechanics, it's a nice crutch to get a footing, but if you're not willing to take risks and play without, you'll never experience the true variety of the game's features. Plus, like the video stated, these DLC items have fiddled with the already delicate balance of the main game items, armors, and mechanics, in such a way that a lot of these have been made trivial.
Who needs horses when you have runes that let you fly: Magnesis: minecart flying machine Stasis: stasis launch (obviously) Cryonis+master cycle: use bullet time to yeet yourself into the heavens Remote bombs: windbombing lmao
"Trial of the sword should not be doable till late game" Twiddles thumbs with my fully pumped master sword with a link not knowing who the heck impa is yet
ive beaten every sidequest, gotten everyitem, upgraded all my armor, completed all the shrines, almost collected all the 900 korok seeds and am still rocking the 40 damage master sword 😐 my forestdweller sword does more damage bruh
@@nathan-qx2ep Not trying to be nitpicky, but technically, you can't have every item in the game if you haven't gotten all 900 Korok seeds. I won't tell you the item in case you don't know what it is, though.
You can get a horse with 5 speed straight from the get go with one stamina wheel next to Gannon's horse and honestly after beating the game having cool stuff straight from the get go is nice because before I have hearts I feel like a glass cannon easy to kill but high damage.
I havent beated it yet and got the DLC's when i was a quarter into the game. But I decided not to look up were the rewards were on youtube and try to just find them by suprise. I still havent found any 20 hours later in game. Im also not really searching for them specificly to keep the game balanced while still feeling enjoyment when i will finaly find them. I think the biggest problem with the DLC is that you can just hop on youtube these days and just find them in 10 minutes and be OP.
I disagree the is a MUST in traditional Zelda game but BOTW is built around exploration and cycling through different ways to kill enemies. BOTW its built around a severely different system of combat that kind of revolves around exploration to find weapons if you just relied on the master sword it kinda throws a wrench into the system instead of searching for good weapons (like the royal claymore) or fighting for them (like with any dragon bone monster club or lynell weapons) you just finish a fight maybe break the sword if so wait for it to recharge and go on. theirs no need to search to search for any other weapons. even if a lynall crusher does around 100 damage the fully upgraded master sword has tons more lifetime damage than the crusher. and since it only takes ten minutes to recharge there's no real reason to obtain any other weapons. now in late game like say after you beat ganon and gotten the true ending. this is completely fine. you've already been collecting differing weapons throughout what you've already played. and having to do it ALL the time even after ganon can get stale. but by having the fully upgraded master sword at your disposal it takes away the need to search which is a very nice reward. but this is just my opinion
The Trial of the Sword is not even easy at all though lol. I think that at least that part is definitely worth enough to go through for what you get from it. It may not be the whole game, but you do still need to go through at least 40 shrines, which would be roughly 1/3 of the map or so in order to get the Master Sword so it's not a terrible pre-requisite either, on top of the difficulty of the trial. I do agree with the rest of the points though lol.
That's definitely a fair point!! The Master Trials are a much harder challenge and require a lot more skill to complete then the Champions Ballad, so it helps justify it's overpowered reward more in my opinion. I just feel that an item like the upgraded master sword and the challenge that proceeded it would fit better as post game content, considering how much it completely changes the dynamic of the game. However, its really give or take depending on your experience with this game haha. Thanks for watching though!! 😄
When I did the trials of the sword and completed the first one I thought "oh thank god, I'm done! 60dmg master sword!" But got 40dmg and had 2 more trials to complete. I walked away and didn't play for a few days. 🤣
Tyler Hardy what do you mean the first one? 0.o I tried doing the trial early with just the required 13 hearts I needed to get the master sword and I got to like the first “rest area” that has items and that was as far as I got. I think I remember reading there was like 30 levels or something to that trial and you mean to tell me completing that is only the first step?
@@NomadicNeloc There's several levels to each trial and 3 separate trials. Each trial gives you 10 more damage to the master sword until you get to 60 damage.
Hello!! I just wanted to clear up that this video is ONLY talking about this games normal mode, and not Master Mode. I do agree that these rewards are more fitting for the harder game mode - especially with the phantom armor considering how tough starting enemies are compared to the weapons you get. And secondly, this video is not a critique on the people playing the game with these rewards - as it's only looking at the balancing of these items from an objective, development standpoint to understand how they could've been worked in better. Thanks for watching though!! 😄 I love hearing all of the feedback in the comments about this topic - I'm always happy to discuss things!!
While I don’t agree with everything, I do agree the Majora’s Mask should have been moved or reworked It not only makes the game much less dangerous early on (which are some of the most memorable moments in my opinion) But also makes Kilton’s Shop next to worthless for new players
I understand this, however, I see pointless to receive most of the good stuff at the very end of the game, cause you'd had already completed everything, and there is no reason to use the OP things. This is what happened with me when I received the Master Cycle, I already explored the whole map by that time so it only served to roam around, nothing left to do.
That’s probably my biggest pet peeve in games, when you get the “best” weapon or armor in the game right at the very end and there’s no reason to have it because everything else is completed making it pointless other then to say you have it. If you don’t want to be op then just don’t use it, I don’t think I ever used the phantom armor or majora’s mask in my 2 or 3 play throughs.
@@kittybonkerz3632 same. My second playthrough was with the DLC, and I have never used the Phantom Armour (I do not even know if I took it). Majora's Mask gave me a couple laughs and then tucked away.
See I think you should get the Master Cycle early on but the upgraded master sword should be after you beat the game, also you should get the armor sets after the game to so you can fight ganon or any other monster with the op set. I think the game should be played without any of the dlc so you can truly play how the developers truly wanted you to play the game(this isn't any hate on you I just wanted to give a valid argument).
@@starboost7333 I actually think that Majora's mask is pretty broken in master mode too, since it replaces the role of more strategic ideas, such as using electricity based attacks like thunderblades and shock arrows to disarm enemies and steal their weapons. It also somewhat breaks the path to Zora's domain, since the lizalfos just won't care to attack. I think everything else, including the phantom set, is fine, since it compensates for the extra wear and tear on weapons
I purchased the DLC around 1 year ago because I already had done everything, every shrine, every divine beast, almost every quest done, lots of armor almost maxed and ofc ganon defeated. Since I still wanted to play the game more, I got the DLC, and it was so much fun for me. Finding the new armors, the ballad of the champions and the one hit obliterer, etc. It was really worth it and as a "endgame" player made the game so much fun again
No shit, right? I do the same thing. Did it right from the start and I did them before any divine beasts. What's in them once you avoid any Guardians that may be in them? Lizalfos and Chu Chus? Like they're hard to beat.
Yeah except the shrines in the labyrinths aren't just sitting there in the middle for you to just glide to. There are walls and ceilings in the way that you have to figure out how to get around. You cannot just glide from the top of the labyrinth walls to the center and find the shrine. So, I'm calling bullshit on both of you. Come on, do you really think the master devs at Nintendo didn't think of that? That EVERYONE would try that shit?😵
This only works with the tundra labyrinth though. The Desert Labyrinth is designed so that the pathway to the shrine is hidden under the architecture. You can sorta do this with the Cliff Labyrinth in Akkala as well, but again the actual path is hidden under a roof.
@UC7nyPmJ4x7eQ8hbXbACjIDA 1st of all, you are extremely naive to think anything is to stupid for someone to bullshit on TH-cam about. 2nd, I'm not calling bullshit on whether they're easy to find or not, they WERE pretty easy. I'm calling bullshit in the method y'all are claiming to have used to find them. Because it's simply not possible to get to the labyrinth shrines in that manner.
@@Dontcareaboutoffending again, that's not what the original post is claiming. Dude is claiming to float from the top of the labyrinth walls straight to the shrine which is simply NOT POSSIBLE
TL;DR: "You should only get the DLC stuff at the point when *there is absolutely nothing left to do in your game* " Ignoring, of course, that you CAN just bum rush Ganon with 3 hearts straight off the plateau and win, and that the trial of the sword is difficult enough that you absolutely MUST have mastered the game's combat already before you have a chance; especially if you are going for the upgraded sword early on before you've collected all the heart containers. For most of the stuff you are complaining about, the skill gate is more than enough. Why should you have to arbitrarily check off a bunch of tasks that you've already clearly done at least once before to GET that mastery of the game? That's just wasting the player's time for the sake of wasting it. You talk about matching the game's design philosophy; well one of the core design principles was that if you have the skill to do something, then you can go out there and DO it. Gating all the DLC stuff behind an arbitrary wall related to chores for the player to do rather than the player's skill level violates THAT part of the game's central design, and I would argue the part of the design that gives you the freedom to do anything you have the skill to accomplish is far more important to the game's overall design than the other aspects you think the DLC gear "violates". I can get behind perhaps putting the armor and mask somewhere harder to reach, but with the rest of the stuff, you already have to prove to the game that you've reached a high level of mastery before it rewards you, so it's not something a new player is just going to snatch up in their first half hour off the plateau. It's something a returning veteran player will pick up to play around with on a second, third, or fifth playthrough.
Thanks, you put it more eloquently than I was going to. My biggest gripe about the DLC was that I had basically done EVERYTHING in the game before I got the final reward of the master cycle - but because I had done everything else in the game at that point, all I had left to do was roam around riding it aimlessly. I may have gone hunting for lyonels or more of the 900 seeds, but without a task to accomplish it wasn't really a reward I could enjoy. Now lock EVERYTHING behind the same gate? Where's the fun in that? And worse yet - not everybody like playing a game, then starting over and playing it again and again, so there's no world where the rewards should be hidden behind beating the game or only available on a future play through.
@@tilgare I'm very glad I hadn't starting hunting Lyonels or maxed out my armors yet by the time the DLC came out because the Master Cycle Zero greatly helped in marking every single boss on my map and gathering all the ingredients to max out my armors.
I agree almost completely, but I think in the case of the Phantom Armor, the skill gate wasn’t very high at all. I think that it should’ve been a bit harder to get, and then I’d be completely satisfied.
I completely agree, besides, there's a good feeling behind getting everything done BEFORE fighting Ganon, if I could only get the bike after beating Ganon, it would cheapen the feeling of getting it.
i almost entirely disagree, especially now that the DLC has had its time to age. Majora's Mask and the phantom armor i can still agree with, but your evaluation of the major rewards bugs me. BotW has NEVER been about railroading your progression, as anyone with experience with the game can beat ganon immediately after the great plateau, and i even did it in my first run after 2 DBs out of pure curiosity, so locking the DLC content behind a "post game" makes zero sense, especially as it would be the only thing in the world to have changed, making for a strange time displacement paradox feel that just results in the DLC feeling even more detached from the main game than it already is. To break down the major rewards, a full power master sword is already restricted to mid game, by which point surviving raids on hyrule castle is well within all player's abilities, and the trial to unlock the sword when ignoring OoB glitches ensures that players are qualified to wield it. If a player can survive the waves and waves of enemies in environments where they thrive with very limited resources, it makes sense that the reward would replace the same resource management of weapons as they have conquered the game's toughest weapon management challenge. The sooner the player accomplishes the challenge, the more skills and strategy they had to show and implement to reach it, so doing it early is just as valid a challenge as doing it at full power. The master cycle zero has practically the reverse problem. There is no harm in making the horse mechanics obsolete when you consider that horses were already made obsolete by shrine-based fast travel which did not even need the shines to be completed to use and is unlocked BEFORE horses. Horses are exclusively for exploring new territory, and when you consider that all 4 DBs heavily restrict the use of the horse, why bother in the first place? ( *expansion tangent, can skip if understand the point* horses are not even allowed to enter gerudo desert. death mountain is literally on fire, as well as being entirely uphill on rough terrain. Zora's river is constantly experiencing thunderstorms on first visit to prevent players from climbing up the rocky cliffs and riverbanks, which are already the bane of horses, combined with speedy lizalfos everywhere who dont care about the existence of the horse means it is not worth it to bring one in the first place. Finally you have rito village, which is the only one that is even potentially worth bringing a horse for, but combined with limited stables, overly restrictive whistle mechanic, and the need to activate shrines for fast travel in the first place that plague horse mechanics to begin with makes the trip a bit easier on foot. *tangent end* ) So with a cumbersome horse mechanic that is rarely worth the effort, the master cycle fixes all the problems horses have, while not replacing them when it comes time for the horseback challenges. But as before mentioned, shine based fast travel is unlocked before even horses, and yet the master cycle is only a step in between horses and fast travel in usefulness, so why is there such a heavy restriction on it again? You must have completed the story for the trial to unlock the master cycle to begin, and by that point the player will have found all the fast travel points they need, so all that is left is korok and shrine hunting, and raiding hyrule castle. Notice how only one of the things on that list is mandatory, yet hyrule castle prevents summoning the cycle anyway. The progression to unlock the master cycle really should have been changed; start with the individual DB challenges and unlock them once the corresponding DB has been tamed, and only after clearing all 4 rematches can the plateau trial begin. completing the plateau trial then results in returning the 1HO to the shrine of resurrection, which reveals the 5th DB. It does not fix the problems the cycle has on the overworld, but it does flow better and give players the option to unlock the champion upgrades at more convenient times. Since the champion upgrades are exclusively reducing the cooldowns, it does not change the gameplay for players at all. If the player doesnt upgrade the powers, they will just wait the extra time for skills to recharge before doing anything challenging, and if it takes enough time for the players to recharge the upgraded skills mid-boss fight, they needed the help anyway and would have stalled until they recharged even if not upgraded. The only way to truly fix the master cycle would have been to unlock it sooner, but lock most of its functions behind re-conquering the DBs. (smaller fuel tank? limited summoning time? doesnt negate fall damage until challenge is complete? IDK...)
“Hands them out like candy” Seems you haven’t done the Trial of the Sword on Master Mode. Literally broken and hardest Zelda thing ever. Try getting the part with 2 silver Lizalfos while your best weapon does like 25 damage.
Exactly what i was thinking, tbh whenever i do Master Mode Trial of the Sword i always go in with a 30 min level 3 attack buff it honestly seems like its almost necessary to even stand a chance
All you have to do in that room is Sneak Strike Chain them from the side. What I did and what I recommend you do is shoot an arrow at the ground on the other side of it to distract that specific Lizalfos, but not the other one. This way, you can sneak strike it from behind so it doesn’t fall in the water. From there, Sneak Strike Chain away. Repeat this for the other Lizalfos.
Coming from someone who easily got sick of managing horses and only keeping the ones with the best stats, I loved the addition of the master cycle, and I thought it's placement at the very end of the game if you're willing to go through all of the trials is very fitting and doesn't break the game. The horses were fun at first though they got extremely tiring and painful later on. I found myself enjoying the game more using quick travel, but when I got the master cycle I actually found it much more fun to ride around the map instead of quick travel. I agree with the phantom armor and majora's mask being broken and easy to obtain, I personally didn't like that at all, though I think it would have been best to make it so you had to defeat one or two divine beasts first before being able to dig up their chests. Those DLC armor sets are the only thing I agree on in this though, as the Master sword is the Hero's weapon, in almost every other game it is his main weapon, and I love the feeling of holding the master sword in BOTW. You could say all of this about the hylian shield as well, a shield that's seemingly unbreakable to a casual player who doesn't like to fight 20 guardians at a time, it ruins progression and eliminates need for other shields unless you want to shield surf better. But if the Hylian Shield (which was dead easy to get) is fine, then I don't see what's wrong with the master sword upgrade which you work extremely hard for upon getting the master sword. A casual playthrough may not even do the trial of the sword if it's too difficult.
@@Hankthetank097 Well, The two fan hovercycle just destroys the need for horses or literally any other vehicle. The Hylian shield is "perfectly balanced". There is an appropriate challenge for what used to be DLC gear. And the master sword still breaks way too fast making it useless without glitches.
Me: This game is an open-world, right? Croton: Yep Me: And the DLC is an optional, purchasable addition to said open world game, right? Croton: Yep Me: And with players being able to get overpowered weapons right off the bat if they want to, the DLC might in some ways reflect that with Above-Average early-game gear that becomes weaker the further you progress, right? Croton: Makes sense to me. Me: So then there's no problem with the DLC. Croton: It should all be post-endgame!
Like, the hell, I doubt I'll ever beat Ganon tbh, with being scared to fight anything stronger than a lizalfos and they're already pretty scary, I want to enjoy the dlc too
Symphony Melody he mentioned that, and it hardly matters anyway, considering that that fact won’t matter until way late game, which isn’t where the problem lies.
But the issue is that it is relatively broken early on. Each piece has a defense stat of 8, beating out pretty much any other piece of armour until you've found two great fairies, and even then the attack boost will make you reluctant to abandon it. The insane 24 defense buff will make most weaker enemies, who should be dealing 1 to 1.5 hearts, deal only a quarter of a heart, breaking the difficulty curve. Imagine you begin a file, then pick up the set soon after jumping off the plateau. Besides weather resistances, you have no reason to ditch the armour until very late game, and all of the enemies will become cakewalks.
@@dovahkiin7498 It's fine. Way less people have access to it, since you need a specific amiibo for it, and even then you need to scan it several times to even have a chance of getting a piece, and you have to wait some hours before you can scan it again. Many newcomers will buy the game and get the dlc immediately, then find the phantom armour quickly and never use anything else for a long time. Very few, if any, people will have the Majora's Mask Link Amiibo, and enough luck to get the entire set before already being very far into the game.
@@genericlozfan9862 not really, just use the chest finder in there and keep some ancient arrows for the last rooms (23 is the last) early rooms are the hardest but as soon as u get weapons it gets really easy, u can also just waste ur arrows, u get enough if u destroy everything with an axe (don't use bombs, u won't find anything)
I feel like your right, but a small counterpoint to be made is that the items are hidden behind riddles in the side quest menu, and thus at least require a few towers to get
there's also guardians in the phantom set areas, unless you are either super good at avoiding them , a pro at parrying or have some ancient arrows going after that set is risky, ancient arrows require hateno and akala by then you can have 2 star soldier armor which has higher defense. phantom se4t cannot be upgraded either so it honestly doesn't seem as game breaking for new players to me. i never got the set till 25 hours in on my first playthrough.
As far as the overpowered armor goes, I think a lot of it was put there to help the player in Master Mode. And I LOVE the upgraded Master Sword 'cause it finally feels like some sort of legendary blade. With a standard power of 30 it was worse than a lot of easy-to-get weapons, which was extremely disappointing to me the first time I played the game... Throughout most of the game the Master Sword was the weakest weapon in my inventory, which is sad to say the least. I know it doubles against Malice, but it's still underwhelming. IMO they should have buffed it a lot and give it a much longer recharge time (or make some sort of requirement/task to do to recharge it). Aaaaaaaand I'm totally in love with the cycle, haha. But I'm glad they saved it for the end game.
I think the base master sword is balanced fine for the late game, because it's really only meant to be used when you are facing malice like enemies and such haha. Otherwise, I would agree that it is really weak in a late game situation. I deffinitly do agree about the master mode part though, as I feel that these rewards fit very well for that mode - but their placment should have still been altered for the normal. And yes, the cycle is amazing haha - currently trying to 100% this game, and the cycle is helping wonders with korok hunting 😅
@@Croton I had basic swords do more than 70 damage late game. If anything, the only thing that makes the upgraded mastersword usable is its durability and recharge.
Vyor that’s the thing that balances those weapons though. Most high damage weapons have low durability (for example royal guard items) and having a weapon that deals 60 damage that pretty much doesn’t break and when it does it’s back in 10 minutes just trivializes the game since most enemies apart from Lynel’s and other minibosses will just take 12 hits max
"Hands them out like candy"? Are you serious?If I tried to beat trial of the sword when I started, I would have quit breath of the wild. I legitimately had to do almost all of the shrines to get my hearts maxed and have decent enough stamina. Even then I failed multiple times. If they had made the phantom knight armor to be a late game item, I wouldn't have gotten it later because the barbarian armor winds up being the better choice in the long run. While yes it may change the flow of the game, not everyone likes to flow at the same pace. That's why you have tanks, dps, and medics. A middle ground I could see is locking them behind some difficult tests in master mode and just leaving them the way they are in standard mode.
@@sarowie Warping made for an experience that allowed me to go anywhere I wanted any time. I put major restrictions on fast travel to make both Horses and the Master Cycle worth my time for a reason, and I highly suggest others limit how much they can fast travel or outright ban it if they want to get a better experience.
@@sarowie the motorcycle is there for fun not to be fast and the champions ballad is unlocked after the 4 divine beasts and taking it in perspective by the time you finish the 4 divine beasts you probably haven't explored everything you probably wouldn't even have the majority of the shrines by that point also just because you would rather use fast travel doesnt mean everyone does
@@TheTrueBrawler I agree, I noticed in my standard mode playthrough I never even had a horse. So in my Master Mode playthrough I outright banned it. I think Nintendo should've put some kind of restriction on fast travel, like you could do 3 times every 24 minutes or so.
i did that for the beginning trials i already did the whole trial of the sword in normal mode i’m skipping the beginning trials in mater mode i’m still gonna do middle and final i just don’t wanna do floor 10 lmao
I actually think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I got the DLC after finishing 3 Divine Beasts. I knew I had hit a particularly tough spot and I wanted that travel medallion. The plus was that it helped me in my final divine beast and I’m looking forward to beating the game with my power ups. Trying to continue the game after beating it already just seems sad and depressing … like trying to hang on to something that it’s time to move on from.
“so many of us spent dozens upon hundreds of hours doing all the main content and completing all the shrines” Me with 1248 hours on botw: ha those are rookie numbers
Croton: No one beats all the Labyrinths before the Divine Beasts on a blind playthrough Me, who got the Master Sword before beating half the Divine Beasts: Well, I should probably be considered an outlier anyway
I see where you're getting at with the late unlock idea but I feel like a lot of that would be like with the Onimusha series that goes "Here, you have finally completed what you need to earn the best weapon in the game! Enjoy. Oh by the way there's like ten minutes of gameplay left. Cheers."
This is my issue with a lot of "end game" items. I don't think it should be easy to get the best gear near the beginning of the game, but I think it should be possible. When this game first came out it was praised for solving the problem of people running into late game areas right away and getting game breaking items. But I feel like that was never a problem. If someone has the knowledge and ability to do that, why not let them? It can be fun it destroy a game with overpowered gear. The loot that's just sitting in Hyrule field should be harder to get though.
Makaque I think the point was if you could get past the guardians then you earned it. Cause early game in hyrule field? Your weapons will run out before it dies and it’s a field, you can’t run away cause their faster and theirs nowhere to really hide once it sees you, your pretty much dead.
Funny part is, my friends playing through it for the first time and got all the EX stuff first. He’s still having a blast. He was also was one of the people who said people who exp farmed in Elden ring ruined the experience. So honestly I don’t see it as a total detriment, as long as people have fun and play it they way they want.
I think that given what the dlc “stories” ended up being, I think rewards like the master cycle came too LATE in a playthrough. To me, the champion’s ballad didn’t feel like post game content, I think the sequel, which I’ve heard was a originally planned as a third dlc, would’ve fit that description better. By the time I get my hands on the motorcycle, I have almost no need for it. I’ll almost always use a horse instead, unless I’m trying to force a dragon to spawn while riding around lynels lol. And maybe the armor items are “easily” accessible, but even when I know exactly where I’m looking in a seventh playthrough, I still have trouble spotting them. They are WELL hidden, and I think the challenge they present is that, unless you’re wandering around with magnesis constantly on, you have to know where you’re going. You have to know the map. The dlc points you to a book in a vague location, which gives you a vague description of a place that, if you haven’t visited yet, won’t be spelled out on the map. You still have to explore the vast open world to be able to find them. And finally, a key factor in the dlc armor, at least for me.....”you can’t fight evil if you ain’t cute”. XD and boy is a lot of the dlc armor not aesthetically pleasing, least of all the phantom armor. Not to mention that it can’t be upgraded, which is a huge turn off for me. Otherwise I’d be running around in maxed out royal guard gear... I personally love Majora’s Mask. It’s hands down my favorite item in the game. Because sometimes I don’t feel like getting ambushed. But I also played the game before the dlc, I collected all the masks, but Majora’s is still a favorite because it combines their abilities. That, and, as I found out the hard way, you have limited inventory space for armor. You can’t have every in game, dlc, and amiibo piece of armor. There’s just not enough room. And as a completionist, that bugged me. But at least there’s one item that does the same as 4 others... And bro, I have never in 7 playthroughs been able to beat trial of the sword. 😂 I got close once to beating the second difficulty level, but died at the last second, so to me, a full upgraded master sword is both too much trouble, and utterly worthless compared to some heavy hitter breakable weapons you can get.
I agree with you completely. I wanna try to do the Trial of the Sword up to the medium level just to get the base Master Sword to be on par if not better than my farmed weapons, but I wanna keep the cool story element of it only being at full power when near things like Guardians or Ganon.
Jokes on you, I got the DLC content right before fighting Lynels, and that still didnt stop me from dying like 12 times fighting each one lmao I had done at least 50% of the map without it, and I almost never used a shield beforehand, forgot I even had them. So I guess the DLC in a way just allowed me to survive a bit better against enemies that I was never fighting properly in the first place. I was totally a sneak attacker, distant bomber, rush and attack and run away type before I learned shielding and counter techniques. The DLC armors just gave me better defense and additional power till I learned proper combat, I just know how to control myself and not rely on the DLC to make everything simple. The Master Sword trial is also a very good grounding experience, teaching you all the fundamentals as you move your way up from scratch
That's still my preferred method of play. I just like sniping with bows and being sneaky. I *can* parry and flurry rush and all that, but I'd rather sneeeek
Majoras mask is literally f*cked and I grab it from the beginning because it is SECONDS AWAY FROM THE START WHEN YOU HAVE THE PARAGLIDER and the second best thing I learned from this is that you can sword beam the water buffaloes
Lol the rest of the game is irrelevant after Trial of the Sword, who cares about a busted ass Master Sword after that ordeal?!?! And if you CAN beat the TotS with 13 hearts and 1 stamina wheel…..well…who cares? The game is still too easy so a beefed up Master Sword isn’t gonna matter lol
@@bobcole8516 ofc the game is easy even in master mode after you get decent weapons. You can make the game harder choosing to not use they very ugly barbarian and phantom Armour, not farming 5 billion dragon horns in Lake Floria and walking around with 2 full pages of 30 min full attack buff food
Still not able to easily climb over rocky surfaces, and forget riding down mountains. MC is so good. Its just to bad it has the same area restrictions as the horse.
@@Simon-hs7ik Sure, but to what end? Fast travel out-paces everything. When I'm exploring and need to get around rocky landscapes my horse just isnt up to task
@@GuyAngon I don't need to use master cycle, I just glide down mountains. My point was that master cycle don't make horses obsolete because horses still outclass the bike in certain criterias.
@@llopl28 I think so -- haven't played in a year or so. It took me a long time to build a good strategy for that Lizalfos room in master mode. Usually I would spend way too much of my weapons there, and have to use my food. It's pretty tricky but I finally worked out a way to beat it.
You forgot one thing: I'd say almost every player doesn't really go for the DLC missions when they start playing. They just go for the main story and maybe some side missions.
i got phantom set 25 hours in after i already had 2 star soldier and taken down a divine beast. its good mid game armor but not late game. not only is it locked behind riddles but surrounded by guardians. unless you are super stealthy, a pro at parrying or have ancient arrows its super risky going after that set. ancient arrows means you already hit hateno and went through zoras domain to reach akkala. you can easily have 2 star soldier armor and have taken down a divine beast before getting that armor set. thats the most likely route to it for new players.
Except that people paid for the DLC. Removing it, or moving it to the end of the game, would rob people of what they paid for. We paid for an "enhanced" experience, and that's what we got. Messing with it now would ruin what we paid for. If you didn't want the DLC, don't pay for it. If you have the DLC but want just the base game, don't use it. All of these things are voluntary. If you have the DLC and do not want to use or have Majora's mask, then exercise self-control, and play the game without it. You don't have to do the trial of the sword, or the armor collection, or the ballot trials if you do not want to. This video was just a complaint about entirely voluntary DLC, and what you think Nintendo should "fix" taking away from an experience that a lot of people paid for. I bought DLC accessible from the start of the game. If Nintendo changed that, myself and many others would demand a refund. You cannot sell something and then tell people what they can and cannot do with it. That's how you lose customers. If the DLC were only accessible at the end of the game, many people wouldn't have bought it, and many more would only have bought it when they first completed the game for the first time. Overall it would have defeated the point in selling DLC. Nintendo learned from PlayStation and Xbox's mistakes in hiding behind pay walls and "unlockable" DLC. (Ballot of the trials excluded because that's less of traditional DLC and more of an extension of the story past the base of activating all shrines.) The business model that Nintendo used was excellent by selling the armor and Master Sword trials upfront, and then giving away FOR FREE the ballot trials to anyone who had purchased the DLC with the game. Over all they couldn't have done better, and trying to change that now would only upset their customer base. Everything in this DLC is voluntary, and if you don't want it, you don't have to have it. Don't try to force others to give up what they do want, and paid for. (Although forced motion controls were a mistake, and the person who made that decision needs to be shot in both kneecaps, at least once. Lol)
I 100% agree with what you said. If it was just usable after the end of the game, what would’ve been the point, right? And if you don’t want to play with these dlc items you paid for, then don’t play with them lol
"hands them out like candy" WDYM??!?!? if you didnt do the trial of the sword skip like I did it was not like having it handed to you it was hours of hard work
@Slion IKR! For the master cycle, you have to live on 1HP and kill a multitude of enemies. And then do shrines. Still on 1HP. Oh, did I mention rematching Waterblight with 5 arrows? Oh yeah, the Trial of the Sword! You have to fight multiple boss battles, and a ton of enemies with weapons that pretty much almost take away one eighth of your health because you don’t get any armour until far in. Once I get to that one that takes place two floors after the Stone Talus, it’s all over, because the Lizalfos on that one have weapons that do so much damage without armour! “Hands them out like candy”. NO! LITERALLY NO!
@Slion it is easy, but you have to know what your doing. For someone like me who had never actually experienced waterblight, fireblight and Windblight because my sis wanted to do em, your bound to die atleast once.
Actually you dont even have to wait for the master sword to recharge. There’s a glitch in the game where if its low on energy, you can bring it to its pedestal in the korok forest and enter any of the trial levels. As soon as you enter the trial, leave. Then when you get the master sword back go to your inventory, the master sword should have that little glowing star that appears on weapons that have never been used. There you go. The master sword is even more broken
yes but that's not intentional so its not really Nintendos fault and your just ruining the experience for your self cuz your not gonna do that on accident
I mean that’s such a specific thing you have to do that no player will find that normally so the only people that will actually do that are those that know it exists. So I don’t think that really counts.
How much time does that even save you if you have to warp to the shrine in Korok Forest which takes time to load, enter the trial (even more loading time), then leave the trial (still more loading)?
This is me ignoring the main quests and exploring the remote corners of the map. Not to mention climbing the labyrinths walls to start at the center lol
You can literally do it in less than an hour, straight off the plateau there’s a cliff and then you get one piece of armour, you can get a horse and get them all if you want as well. This video was ass
@@michaelbotha9207 but the shrines have roofs over themselves stopping that deform working effectively I know this due to climbing on them and the Hebra one has a diamond in a chest above the roof
This video shouldn't have been "these dlc items broke botw", it should have been "the botw dlc should have had a lot more content to complete before handing you powerful gear". I guess that's what you meant, but most of the video just comes off as "you're playing the game wrong if you use this dlc gear before you've 'earned' it", which is an opinion I don't really vibe with.
There's no way to play a game "wrong", unless you are using gamebreaking mods or cheats of course. This video is purely looking at the game from a subjective/developmental standpoint, and how the distribution of these items could have been handled differently to make the game more balanced. I don't believe that the experience becomes *bad* if you get these items early - I just think it takes away from it a bit
Croton, Your final statement was a little more salty than you are. You said it should all be post game. THE HELL? That’s not very fair. That came off as implying everyone bought the DLC before playing the game. If that was intended, then you need to make an apology video immediately.
By the time you get the Barbarian armor, you should have most if not all the upgrades for it, excluding some of the dragon items. Plus, the phantom armor gets outclassed pretty early, you can pick up the soldiers armor and upgrade it pretty fast which makes it 10x better since dmg elixirs are very easy to make.
8:50 that would mean that NOTHING in the pass is useful. I didn't even kill Ganon until after I did everything I cared to do. I just think a lot of your arguments I completely disagree with and i don't believe they stand solid reason. I do respect your opinion, I just don't agree. edit: also, who bought the dlc before their first play through?
I did. But I'm getting the stuff after I reach certain checkpoints in the story. Gotta pace myself, you know? So after I get a divine beast freed, I'd go DLC hunting for a bit and if there's a hidden piece in a place I haven't gone, I get the towers and divine beast there before I get the dlc pieces in that area. I'm lazy but dedicated.
I got the dlc b4 I started as I'm a long time zedla fan but dint get a switch til a year or 2 after launch. I didn't really use any of the stuff he is complaining about tho and don't find most of it til after the story and dlc as was so much good content finding tingles outfit was my last priority lol. Was a blind playthough as well so I had no idea the items where even that good lol
I don’t really agree with the master sword and master cycle. It took me days to get both of them and a lot of time and effort. There is an amazing feeling of accomplishment when you get these super cool and powerful items. I’d say, for what the games makes you go through to get them, they are mostly balanced.
If I am honest. The master sword is fun and I forgot the motorcycle existed because I like riding around on autopilot with my horse and taking in the scenery
Trial of the sword in master mode especially is totally balanced with the reward that you get, being able to beat it in master mode is the most challenging thing to do in the game period. Thus the reward is valid
Very true - I feel that the placment of all of these rewards is REALLY good for master mode, but not for normal haha Trial of the Sword on master mode gave me nightmares 😂
Dude he be talking about how hard the base game is and how having this gear makes it so easy. Bro Ganon and his blights are easier to kill than a golden bokoblin and that isn't exaggerating. The difficulty difference between with DLC and without is neglible. The first blight you fight will have 800 hp, the second has 1,200, the third has 1,600, and the fourth has 2,000 hp making it no more than a red lynel. Their attacks do less damage than a red lynel and are incredibly easy to dodge; the only one being a mild annoyance is thunder-blight, which you can still flurry-rush to death. Calamity Ganon is honestly an underwhelming boss, having only 5,000 hp making it weaker than a silver lynel, and its attack pattern is very predictable and easy to dodge. Basically I am saying that the story is so easy it doesn't really matter if you have DLC to help you or not.
I think people are overreacting a bit for "The DLC ruins the flow of the game." Because most of the DLC is objectively worse then the original stuff. A good chunk of it can't be upgraded at all, and generally the DLC stuff requires much more materials then you'll have early on to upgrade them. Compared to the standard stuff which mostly just requires common mushrooms and Bokoblin stuff to improve. Another thing, is that the DLC content maybe easy to get if you're actively looking for it; but most players play the game as intended first, and use DLC items after the game is beaten or for fun. Never knew someone who was willing to risk getting laser blasted just to get the OP Phantom Armor early on; as opposed to taking the time to go to the three ruins around the outskirts of Hyrule to get the Barbarian set. It's really a matter of Safety vs Speed. Sure, it maybe broken late game, but by that point... you've kinda already done everything; you should be broken.
Although I agree the DLC items can be game-breaking, most people aren’t going to buy the DLC with the base game and most likely will beat the base game first, the only things that these will help most players with are master mode runs, second play throughs which are easier regardless, challenge runs, and straight to Ganon/ speed runs.
I am surprised that you thought the trial of the sword should be unlocked later After getting the sword and then getting the quest seems like a good idea Most people who would have just gotten over the 13 heart requirement getting the sword Then just after leaving is told of this grand trial that could give them more power to the sword This motivates them to get stronger doing more shrines and completing the divine beasts for the blights’ heart containers Getting better and then enters the hardest trial fighting through each floor each one becoming more and more difficult Each requiring you to learn game fighting mechanics along with enemy advantages and disadvantages among other things After blood, sweat and tears you make it to claim your prize that you worked so hard for The weapon was made to be over powered to symbolize the fact of how much worked for this. This and the master cycle zero are made for the end game By then you had competed eighty five to one hundred percent of the shrines The master cycle literally has you go back to the plateau to do a don’t get hit challenge then everywhere else to do their separate challenges each ending with a harder blight refight since you are limited in your arsenal then back to the plateau again for another divine beast and then a hard boss fight You are rewarded with the master cycle zero but by then you don’t really need as you only now require the death of ganon Same thing with the full power master sword You beating trial of the sword means that you don’t need a sixty damage weapon if you started off with a stick They are simply bonuses of your commitment
I always head straight for Majora's Mask whenever I leave the plateau. I hate fighting enemies and prefer exploring, so being able to walk past enemies from the start is pure bliss.
@@bmprimer7809 Once I'm prepared yeah. I'm not about to rush at them without clothes and only a stick and a pot lid to my name like some crazy (but talented) people.
and thats why i love this game, including the dlc (which i cant afford till today (cries silently in the corner)), because you can do whatever you want right from the beginning. wanna have a challenge? dont use dlc stuff, or even no armor. wanna smash every mob you can find? here you got phantom armor. wanna just explore w/out being noticed? here you go, majoras mask. you are not forced to use anything, it just opens some doors early on. if you like easy exploring in this game, you need to have nearly everithing explored before you can buy proper stuff for it
@@gamercat1952 hm i love fighting them nowadays since i know i can just hit them in their weak spots, (the face for the lynel and eye for the guardian) and they are guaranteed to be stunned for long enough for me to attack them with no worries whatsoever, i remember fearing them both on my first time playing, then i got better over time, and i kill em with little effort
@@Croton Yeah, but in the eyues of a begionner,. going through those trials with 13 hearts is damn near impossible unless you just have natural combat talent out the wazoo.
@@GuyAngon Then you'll have to train up a bit! The 4 divine beasts and their bosses help a lot with learning combat skills (esp thunderblight) And that's all I'm suggesting - more requirements so a really good player can't get the master sword early and break the game. Botw is a big game, and the upgraded master sword is very overpowered reward - so that's why I think it should be repositioned accordingly
You should check out LevelUp Royal's suggested game play sequence with the DLC expansion pack. Straight off the Great Plateau, he goes to Lake Hylia to collect Staminoka Bass, then the Lake Tower to get that part of the map. Then to the Taobab Grassland to catch a 5-Star Speed Horse and ride it to the Horse God Shrine to begin collect the Ancient Horse Gear to be able to teleport your horse in the game. He then concentrates on getting the Phantom Ganon Armor to give increased stealth optimal for catching critters for food and armor buffs and for having Bone Attack Up with Dragonbone Moblin Clubs. He emphasizes first gathering Hearty Durians and Mighty Bananas in the Faron Region to cook during Blood Moons. So, he basically comes up with a different strategy for approaching the game using only modest buffs from the DLC that allow the player to escape the usual drudgery of trudging to Dueling Peaks, then to Kakariko Village, and on to Hateno Village straight off, etc., relatively underprepared for some of the bad guys that one encounters along the way. By roaming the countryside to collect food buffs, weapons, and armor just from the regular game, one can later face the challenges of the Divine Beasts a bit more prepared than one does by the standard route that the game leads you on. And whereas the standard game play encourages you to avoid combat unless necessary because it upgrades your enemy level, he teaches fight ~everyone you meet to get to the silver enemies and start collecting the rewards from that. Rather than learning the best way to hide out in the game and sneak around, he teaches the best strategies for taking any enemies on. Too bad LevelUp Royal seems to have departed from this world. But any monster he ever saw carrying a Dragonbone Moblin Club is doomed at that moment. He teaches you how to raid Hyrule Castle after only completing Divine Beast Van Medoh and puts Woodland Tower and Korok Forest a lot earlier in the game, too, with a big emphasis on maxxing Korok seed collection along the way to upgrade inventory slots to hold all the regular weapon booty being hauled in. He ~cleans out every region that he leads you to for the Korok seeds.
That's all well and good if you think that BotW's natural progression is too difficult. Which it might be, to some, and I personally think it's not an "easy" game, but without some level of difficulty, the player will not be encouraged to explore and leverage the different options and tools that the game gives. If all it takes to get through the game is run-and-slash then most players would be missing out on 95% of the fun that the game has to offer.
I agree with alot of this, but the master sword buff feels very necessary especially since the late game weapons are already stronger than it and the weapon cycling kinda goes away once you can farm major trials and lynels + most other enemies just carry royal stuff. And not having the master sword as the most powerful weapon seems weird
I don't so much agree with the first 2 because, in my initial play through, I avoided Hyrule field due to not knowing about the perfect parry till I was fighting Gannon. Even in latter play throughs I still went to Hyrule field last. With your solution, some of the DLC rewards would not be good enough and would be disappointing.
That's interesting that you say that about the perfect parry - because it really goes to show that there are so many basic mechanics in this game that go for the most part completely unexplained to the player. (Similar situation with me and the quick spin - which I didn't know even existed until a good 100 hours in 😅). So because of that, I can see in your situation, why items like the Phantom gear and Majoras Mask would be disappointing - as you didn't get them till much later. But with an open ended game like Botw, people are naturally gonna have completely different experiences on their first playthroughs, some being easier/harder then others. For the players who had an initial fear of Hyrule feild because of the guardians, probably didn't get those items right away and played the game like intended in the base experience. But for the ones who wernt scared of it, may of went there right after the plateau, got the overpowered items right away, and therefor experienced a very unbalanced version of the game. So at the end of the day, its all relative to a players unique experience to this game - which is why some people had a problem with the rewards, while others didn't.
Personally, even after I learned how to do a perfect parry, I was really worried about messing it up when fighting Guardians, because you don't get much of an opportunity to practice the timing until you can survive the initial blast. But I didn't avoid Hyrule Field completely. As a result of the blank spot on my map, the presence of Central Tower CALLED TO ME. I decided to go for it even before I could survive a fight against a decayed Guardian. It was a great exercise in stealth and avoidance, and I did it on the first or second try. ❤️ Big feeling of accomplishment!
@@Radien I stealth first 50 or 60 hours of Master Mode when I was playing it blind, lmao. First I went and got all the tower and that one in particular was nerve-wrecking. Although now I am more gang-ho about it since you can get on top without them shooting you all the time if you are fast enough.
I actually really love the royal guards set because it makes it so I don't have to upgrade the climbing gear to get the climbing jump stamina reduction effect. And I love Zant's helmet because I can get the unfreezable effect without upgrading the Rito gear.
I’ve gotta disagree. I think that for most players, to see use of the DLC items, they should get them early. Once you have better armor, the DLC armor seems like a waste of time. They come across as costumes mostly. The only exception is the phantom armor, which makes you very strong for early game.
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2023 update:
So obviously this video is fairly old now, and I wanted to provide an updated opinion on the matter
I still think that the DLC is perfectly balanced and suited for Master Mode, as that was released alongside the DLC - but normal mode can easily be broken due to these early, OP rewards.
If a game is bought alongside the DLC, a lot of first time players will feel entitled to look up the locations of the loot that "they paid extra money for". This creates a first playthrough that undervalues key systems in the base game (getting attack armor super early, rushing the main story to get a motorcycle and better sword)
Now of course if you want to play this way, by all means, but it's the equivalent of sparknoting a book instead of just reading it.
I guess the main takeaway is that these rewards, with their elusiveness on how they are presented and earned, are balanced. But if you seek them out immediately using guides on a first time playthrough because "I bought this, I deserve it now", then you're gonna experience a pretty unbalanced playthrough that undervalues the base game.
TLDR: Experience this game as blind as possible because it's worth it, and if you bought the DLC with it I recommend letting those rewards/quests come to you naturally instead of looking up where they are
I should add that being able to get some of this OP loot early is GREAT for challenge running in subsequent playthroughs! For these, the less prerequisites the better, and BotW has achieved well in this by making a lot of it's rewards not hard to get, but rather hard to find - which increases the replayability for challenge runs and using different things!
Wow, i saw this early.
i have to agree on normal mode being easy with dlc
I was gonna say that the first thing you said at the intro aged poorly
agreeable statement quite
“Basically hands them out like candy.”
Me, who hasn’t beat trial of the sword yet: **nervous laughter*
One of the few exceptions haha. Its mainly all of the treasure chest rewards that I was referring to 😅
Trials of sword were hard man
I got the game and within 2 months beat normal mode then got the DLC and within a month 100 percent completed master mode...but holy crap that was by far the hardest part
Getting the master cycle from scratch I did in one night when I got the dlc ( played till 5 AM this games frickin fun ok yes i was an addict at the time )
But the trials of the sword...
That thing took me like 2 weeks to beat in normal mode
I did it first try in master mode but that's cuz I was way better at the game by that point
Trials of the sword were HARRRRRRRD
Same
I still haven't finished it either, because I find fighting in an unnatural pitch black darkness to be more of an annoying difficulty than a fun challenge.
Croton, of all your great points, I think that one was a little off. If someone is good enough to complete all the trials, they've definitely proven themself enough to deserve a game-breaking weapon upgrade, since the trials are FAR more difficult than anything else I can remember in the game. 🤷🏼♀️
i havent
You forgot the most broken item that can be found immediately: The Nintendo Switch shirt
Ah yes, the immersion breaker
It looks so funny when link wears it in a cutscene
@@seungkwanbot3203 lol yeah, I sold it as soon as I could, didn't care it was one of a kind.
It breaks the great plateu just like the Amibo Armor
Op
The most op thing in BOTW is putting the Thunder Helm on, going to a lightning zone, and using only metal tools. Run into combat, and watch the enemies EXPLODE.
At least getting the Thunder Helm takes doing several sidequests but yeah, you can actually go through several quests and dungeons and be electric proof
But there's also an electric proof armor set
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Yeah, but the rubber armor is useless compared to the thunder helm, because you can wear a fully boosted barbarian top and bottom and have high attack and be lightning proof.
@@alisona.4166 yeah
@@alisona.4166 Yes but funnie fish armor tho
I agree with the Armor and Majora's mask point, but cycle and the master sword buff are well earned as they both take a considerable amount of time to achieve as is. They don't need more prerequisites.
Agreed because before this I hated having to always gather weapons that are good because major tests of strength and Lionel’s are easy but just annoying to constantly get
concidering that the first time I got the master cycle I had already compleated everything short of the korok seeds, and therefor had no reason to use it what so ever I say from experiance that geting it after you've compleated the game is increadably disapointing.
Agreed, it took me forever to beat the master trials. I’m glad I did though lol
Well consider that most people who got the DLCs already played the game in normal and are likely now playing in master mode
@@Notalizardspy True for me at least. The DLC armours can give you a kick start in master mode, and they really get less and less significant as you progress towards late-game, since none of the DLC items can upgrade.
tbh if you're only installing DLC after almost completion, you'd likely already have armours with the same effects but higher stats anyway, and that renders the DLC armours only valuable for appearance and as collectables.
I think the DLC is meant to be played after at least defeating all the Divine Beasts, considering you can't do the champion's ballad without doing so. Even though I played BOTW a year after the DLC came out, I waited until I beat it before I got it, and felt like it added a whole new layer to the game.
Because they added the DLC a year after BOTW came out, I feel like they designed it to be used AFTER the player has been playing for a while, not bought with the game and used right away.
Edit: but I fully agree that items like the Phantom armor and Majora's mask made some other items pretty useless.
That's very true!! I definitely think that the Phantom armor and the Majoras Mask are easily some of the most gamebreaking items - considering how easy they are to obtain from the start. I'm glad the other rewards had far more requirements to obtain, but they all felt like things that should been obtained in the post game, and not anytime sooner.
Thanks for watching though!! 😄
@@Croton I hope BOTW 2 handles its items more balanced and harder to get!
@@Croton
Until I saw this video, I had no idea the Phantom set was quite so game-breaking! You see, I didn't purchase and install the DLC until after I'd completed the main game. By then I'd upgraded the Barbarian set to its max level, and by comparison, the Phantom set had nothing to offer but nostalgia. 🤷🏼♀️
The phantom armor and majora’s mask should be harder to get but the fully powered up master sword and the master cycle zero was meant to be as broken as it was because by then you don’t need it
Beating trial of the sword proves that you don’t need the new master sword and traveling is basically very short since you only to complete shrines with the main reasons of running everywhere already finished
Phantom armor is weak compared to the Barbarian armor and can't be upgraded
Majoras mask is just the Kilton masks all in one.
Difficult Labyrinth
Me, who climbs over everything: **nervous laughter*
Yeah me too. I saw that maze and my VERY first thought was "Okay, time to climb over it and find the exit in two seconds."
Yeah, same here. I basically just scaled all three of them, or ravioli’d my way near the top.
Ya, I did them like... 4 hours in.
Game: _puts flying guardians over the maze to shoot people who try to climb over_
Me, with ancient arrows: *you dare challenge me, mortal?*
@@CoronaKirisame Bomb arrows work pretty well too out of multishot bows.
3:04 “was not how the game was intended to be played.”
Isn’t this game about doing your own thing and breaking the linearity of older titles? Also, the dlc came out long enough after the game that people (who bought it around launch) were using it for fun/master mode.
I hate this video
The first part of your comment is true, but that doesn't mean proper game balance isn't essential for a better experience. You can play it how you want, but introducing options that are objectively better than almost everything else in the game (especially early on) can make it unsatisfying to overcome challenges in your own way.
hee ho the armor is completely optional and anyone who wants to rely more on themselves than really good gear can do that by not getting the armor. Just as anyone who wants good armor really easily can have it.
@@heeho5495 2 words to defeat your phantom armor point Buff food Also the fact unless you look it up you probably won't find it being that its hidden and the cycle is only obtainable after you defeat all 4 beasts and at that point you've already stopped using the highly inconvenient horses and trial of the sword unless you are good at the game is hard so you must atleast git gud beforehand all this o it completely invalidates the early game yeah if you have foreknowledge so really only on subsequent playthroughs would this even be a problem and even then i would say its to help people who are playing through on a new file like mad men
hippity hoppity hee ho you’re now my property
imo the royal guard set is one of the best utility outfits in the game. It shows that it just reduces charge attack stamina usage on the menu, but in reality it also reduces the stamina usage on dashing in water and jumping while climbing, which makes sense as it was worn by the most elite soldiers in hyrule. This makes it great as an all in one stamina set.
Also it looks pretty sweet
In _Tears_ it can now be blessed by Great Fairies, but with ingredients that require significant effort to find. I actually haven’t seen if it retains all the same bonuses from the original version but my God it still looks unbelievably good. Maybe the best drip in a game with a ton of great fashion.
@@PaulFisher Unfortunately in TotK it was patched out. Now it only has charge attack stamina bonus 😭
I wish the Majora's Mask was in the Lost Woods as it would've been a call back to Skull Kid originating in the Lost Woods in Ocarina of Time
Yeah, that would've make sense
That also would make sense as the eerie vibe of the forest fits perfectly with the mask
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 That's very true. I've did that for almost a run but after like a hour of using it I just didnt use it. But it does kinda balance out being 1 defense
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 The only thing that makes that bad is the ability to freeze time to switch outfits.
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 also You gotta admit majoras mask is best dlc hat besides royal guards gear so it should be hard to get like royal
Guards gear
"the dlc hands them out like candy" *looks at my save which hasnt made it past floor 3 of the trial of the sword* right...candy...so concrete jawbreakers?
Pulse Fel Once you get motivated, you just charge through them! That’s the only way for me to describe how I got it, it just... happened.
What you cant eat concrete?
You know you could just watch a yt video on how to skip it and then do that
@@theemeraldswitch4485 skipping is for glitchers, glitchers are people who can't do it the proper way
Well you can't do it the proper way either so might as well try the glitch
Link's divine beast: Vah Vruuum
Pedro Araújo that was good
I would accept that
What about Zelda would she get one maybe will be a giant star or maybe a tri-force or what would your ideas be
Hahah mastercycle go vroom vroom
Vah Eponia o.o
I somewhat disagree with the master cycle, because apart from perhaps shrines, there isnt realy anywhere that helps immensly by having the bike at this point because the only next step is to beat ganon (or go for the korok seeds but if you do all of them your a complete phsycho anyways).
Now i want all 900 korok seeds on my master mode run solely cus i will be deemed a psycho
I have collectes all of them... twice...
I’m in the process of collecting them all trying to 100% the game again bc I accidentally deleted my other 100% file
A year late but I was actually going to make the same point. Like, master cycle is 100% a post game item in my opinion. If there was a new game+ option or something similar I would understand, but where it's at in the game basically just let's you get to where you've already been, faster. That's it. It's for being goofy when you're already out of things to do.
I feel that most players wouldn't know where to find the "overpowered" items on their first playthrough, and the Majora's mask and phantom armor were intended to assist veterans in Master mode.
Major as mask cheeses master mode and the whole point of ot
Exactly. Master mode is tough! Knowing where to find stuff in your second playthrough is half the fun! Playing master mode you play the game in a completely different way since you already know how the game goes.
I've noticed the TH-camr hasn't replied to this one yet. Maybe you made a point he couldn't counter.
Ya I’m trying to do a master mode 100% play through and majors mask was so help full
@AimlessCinderKnight
Its only because I get like 30 comments a day on this video, so responding to all of them each day would be nearly impossible lol. But when it comes to the early game armors, I feel they are way more helpful and balanced for master mode, but the fact that these same armors can be found in normal too feels like a bit of a crutch. Considering how close Majora's Mask is to the Plateau, the player can easily nab this first and get a lot of other OP equipment early - without having the risk of enemy's always attacking you
I think you're looking at these from a "pro's perspective" and completely discounting Hero/Master Mode. After learning the game's combat mechanics and becoming at least mildly consistent with triggering Flurry Rush, the game is effectively trivial with or without this DLC. The only difference beyond this point is how often you need to swap weapons, and if you've effectively mastered the game, why NOT be rewarded by having the tedium of weapon swapping reduced?
Don't get me wrong, I love the combat mechanics they've added in BOTW along with the weapon management, but I don't understand how any of these rewards "break" the game. The Trial of the Sword was BRUTAL in Master Mode. Every floor made my heart beat faster than the last and I was SO PUMPED when I finally beat it. Your biggest factor in success is your level of skill. If you can't get a hang of the mechanics, you're going to struggle.
lets not forget one hit oblitorator even on normal mode is INSANLY DIFFICULT im still doing it to this day
and lets say it did break the game botw is open world and a do whatever u want game no one will
care if it broke the game as long as its fun if its not fun w the op wepons then u can just de equip it lets not forget master mode too ur gonna need the op things asap.
Fair
I don't think there needs to be more prerequisites, I feel the DLC should rather just have been balanced around the base game. I feel the fully charged master sword is a bit too broken though. Sure in most Zelda games, you'd only be using the Master Sword once you got it, but I feel like i NEVER have to switch weapons. The recharge time is so little.
@@rebeliousreligion9843 yeah, this whole discussion is kind of pointless when skyrim is such an insane game, with weapons that stagger on every hit, stunlocking enemies (the sword you get on the ship where you kill the king), vegetable soup laughing at the concept of stamina management and allowing for infinite heavy attacks/shield bashes, enchanting alchemy loops for infinite stats and many more hilariously op and literally game breaking "features"
I think these are good points except for the fact that most people, including me bought the DLC after beating the base game, so the upgrades aren’t super broken.
Im 3 divine beasts in the game so by what everyone has said, beat the game then come back with the dlc and do it better
I sorta followed this. I’ve only had botw for a few weeks and the DLC around 4 days. I basically beat the game-got all memories, most side quests and a little over half the shrines- and did the DLC even though I haven’t beaten Ganon yet.
Yeah, that makes the arc more like: starter stuff, getting decent stuff, then progressing more to lynel weapons and stuff, defeat ganon, then play around with botw with your hard-earned DLC stuff.
Agreed I played through with out any dlc content and loved it in fact I’m starting again since my progress didn’t save when I moved switches and I completely forgot about the dlc content
Yeah I beat the game and got bored so I bought it
I think the DLC chests being at the beginning is fine. It's there for the players who either want to go faster or don't have a lot of time to play. Since they are optional and not forced I wouldn't say it ruins the experience.
Exactly.
You could just not use them. Good point
I’m in this boat. I’m playing it for the first time and installed the DLC early. But I’m choosing to avoid the over powered items while still enjoying the other content.
@@say12thebear good way to go about it! I did this as well when I first got it (aside from the mask, used the hell out of it especially in the castle)
Yeah as someone who plays on multiple save files (I mess a lot with glitches and sketchy stuff) it's good having high end equipment near the plateau
Going to disagree with the claim of the upgrade Master Sword replacing the weapon cycling combat loop. Not counting players who intentionally glitch the game to gain access early, most players casual will probably end up clearing most shrines in the game before being able to beat the Trial of the Sword. If a player is skilled enough to beat the Trial early they by all means deserve access to the upgraded Master Sword as they have clearly shown a mastery of the game's systems.
That being said, there are also weapons that outclass the Master Sword in endgame so there is a good chance that casual players will already have access to stronger weapons by the time they beat the Trial and experienced players would likely be taking full advantage of them.
here's his other failure: "The weapons switching system that made BotW so FUN"
The forced weapons switching system was the most aggravating and obnoxious part of BotW, and if Nintendo doesn't offer some other options for BotW2, I'll be panning it.
I managed to beat the final trials with 15 hearts cause my shield parrying was on point, and that's the only reason. I ended up having 8 ancient arrows before starting floor 22 (final one) Like I've beaten it 3 times ever and they were because of LUCK the first time ever was for my friend who always died on floor 22, after 7 hours of playing me and my friend managed to do it, the 2nd time was on my 1st 100% run, which again was entirely because of LUCK.
The empowered master sword is simply the perfect mining tool
@@GreyAcumen depend on what you like and seek , i think the weapon breaking system is genuis . This is refine and new unlike every other rpg , open world game in the entire world. The upgrade master sword is really good to use but still break the entire weapon system of botw . Like what do you need to farm if you already have a powerfull weapon who doesnt break ? Thats just boring in my opinion . I love farming lynel and ganon castle to get powerful item but with master sword well i do not need to farm anymore which lead to do nothing and this is boring . For me and my opinion
@@darkpk1 - If the only purpose to your farming is to replace the weapons you trash by farming, there's still no point.
If you're the type of person that doesn't mind that, you can just decide to not use the master sword after you unlock it.
"Hand them out like candy" I mean, when i finally obtained the 13 hearts and the Great Deku Tree offered me to do the trial of the hero, I wasted all my weekend getting beaten up and being really angry and furious because of its difficulty, so no, the Master Sword upgrade it's not like candy at all.
P A F E T I C . I B E A T I T W I T H. 1 3 H E A R T S .
I used cheddar tactics.
i dont have the ms yet cuz i get distracted by doing shrines also i beast all the test of strengths
@@wildberrysherbert3803 Jeez dude not that harsh
@@angl0ni488 my point was its not that hard on normal mode. master mode on the other hand, you already know.
Fun fact: The Master Cycle can be considered lore since it’s considered Link’s Divine Beast
Beta Otaku it’s lore. It’s in the game. Isn’t really debatable.
Why does everyone keep saying this?? There's a reference to the bike n the main game I believe... It's kind of crappy link gets a dinky ass dirt bike while the other Divine beast are huge monster like tanks lol... LINK gets a mopad lmao n STILL KICKS THERE ASSES N THATS BEFORE HE GETS HIS BABY DIVINE PUPPY LOL... NOT A BEAST THE DIRT BIKE LOL
originally it wasnt supposed to be DLC, but they cut it from the main game and decided after to add it back.
@@joshuafante2689 tbh, Link's strongest weapon is the Master Sword, so giving him a slow, giant mechanical monster would honestly make him weaker ngl
They should have give him a jet plane made of Sheika a tech and you could level parts of in the research labs
Phantom armor was intended for Master Mode. The 24 defense is pretty useless, and the attack boost is required to keep up with health regen.
My gripe with the DLC is that none of the armors are upgradeable, and instead of making them unique, they are mostly just inferior copies of other standard armors. Missed opportunity if you ask me.
Yeah. It'd be nice if there was some sort of mid-game/late-game challenge you could do to unlock the ability to upgrade the DLC equipment.
For example, after you've found the last Great Fairy, you show her the armor, but she doesn't recognize the materials or something. So you go to the Hateno village scientist lady, & she examines them. You don't have the set she's examining, because she's still doing it. However, since this is later in the game, it shouldn't be a problem, since you'll have other equipment to make up for it.
After a few in-game days, you can talk to her again, & she'll tell you where you can find the materials for it. They'll be special limited materials unique to the set, & you only need to upgrade the set once for it to be maxed out.
And with the unique thing, there's a couple of unique traits for some of the gear, but again, all it comes down to is discount/bootleg version of this armor, _but _*_also_*_ discount/bootleg of _*_this_*_ armor._
I'd like it if they did actually unique things. As for what, I can't really think of anything outside of a throwaway gimmick, since I haven't played the game in a very long time.
I think it would have been cool if the phantom armour had a percent chance to phase threw attacks. Keep it at its 24 rating. But when you have all three pieces equiped boom 25 percent chance that an attack will miss you completely.
I feel like the phantom armor is still op in master mode, i've been playing it and I've finished all the divine beasts without the stat boosting armor.
My biggest qualm with armor in general is that it’s a mess in the inventory when you have so much, and that the set of the Wild only gives measly master sword beam damage up instead of doubling master sword damage like it should.
This is a Zelda game. I get that the weapon durability mechanic is fun early on, but after you’ve beaten all 120 shrines, there’s no reason that the set of the Wild can’t make the master sword OP
"basically hands them out like candy"
Me, who had to use a guide to find almost every piece of armor in the dlc. *nervous laughter
Tragic. It literally tells you ingame exactly where all the dlc is.
RiorXD Do you think I have enough time to slowly look through the map to find where cora lake is?
@@Ppenguin-lc6qj Yes
@@RiorXD now we do
@@Ppenguin-lc6qj If you have time to play games you have time to do it properly
This is why you finish the game before you buy dlc
I had over 200 hours on the game before buying so nothing this guy is saying makes sense
@@williamknaupp4158 yeah, he's saying this like no one has never played, i love this guy tho, but now he's excepting everyone to have 0 hours.
i have 300-400 hours and i don't even have the DLCs, but if i buy them i want to unlock everything new as the first things i will do
I took his explanation based on replaying the game (e. g. New).
The dlc is to be beat before the end though
@t0st g0st did I ask?
You were talking about the master cycle ruining horse transportation, but I’m pretty sure there are many more ways of transportation that also ruin horses (BTB, Windbombing)
Or just fast travel or the travel medallion lmao
And also by the time you get the Master Cycle you’ve already explored a very large chunk of the map. At that point the Master Cycle is just a method to travel to places the Horses can’t go, it’s also not faster than Horses and it requires you to give it items in order to keep using it whereas Horses just need to be tamed and then they’re good to go.
@@cameronharding6055 It is faster
@@scientificapple69 it's not, you can get a 5 speed horse that is the fastest method of travel, and with the ancient bridle you have even more dashes as well.
i never used horses at all in the game
is it just me or does anyone else want a "archers" armour set, where it increases bow damage and the upgraded set bonus lets you use less stamina when in bowtime
Or it could allow arrows to fly farther
dude genuis and it could have a 50% chance to save an arrow or smthn
GENIUS
Stock up on endurance elixirs or carrot meals
Yes mate
me who didn't buy dlc until after beating the game: ha
EDIT: you can stop replying "same" now. I've had enough. this video is a year old, i made this comment at three in the morning, stop it. please.
Lol
Same I think Nintendo expected you to be pretty far along before getting the dlc
Same 😂
Buy it
Yes
Pretty sure they're meant for brand new Master Mode playthroughs, hence the stat distribution. That being said, they could've had different stats between modes, or had better bonuses based on how many hearts you had when you got them, something like that, to make them more viable for base mode new games or making them viable options in late game regardless of difficulty.
Very true!! I was actually just talking to someone else in the comments about this, that the DLC rewards feel far more balanced to the games master mode then the regular mode. In that case, I don't have a problem with where the rewards are positioned in a master mode playthrough, but I just think that the normal mode should have been taken into greater consideration. Those are definitely some good potential changes though!!
Ahhhhh.... Thank you very much for the next theme of my next Master mode playthrough... Using the DLC to my advantage!
I think I'll try something like this before though and I end up going back to wandering and upgrading armors
I'll try to be strict this time lol
@@Croton Don't forget, the phantom armor is not exactly as easy as you made it out to be to obtain. There are Guardians patrolling the areas where you'll find them. And they will oneshot you if you don't get the chests out of the ground fast enough.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 Guardians for two of the pieces. The last one is guarded by a Lionel.
@@TheIvoryDingo Both will one shot you nontheless.
My main issue is with the korok mask. I feel like I always have to wear it when running around. I would have preferred an elixer recipe or something like that.
Honestly, when it comes to trying to find all of the game's Korok seeds, there are so many that I feel no shame in using an interactive map that completely eliminates the need for the Korok mask.
Or a medal or something
My partner and I share a copy of the game, but she has the DLC on her switch and I've been playing base game, the biggest difference is how many inventory slots she has over me due to the mask
My response to this
"I payed for this stuff it better be broken"
This quote is so funny when you take it out of context.
@@wp2837 You're right
man exactly this, what dumbass plays the DLC before even finishing the base game lol
Thank you.
@thatonetaafeef he was quoting him.
I actually believe the master sword upgrade was needed in base game. When I got the master sword, which is links main weapon, I was super disappointed to see that it ran out of energy so quickly, and the upgraded master sword was a GREAT way to implement the sword mire
I agree. And the Master Sword’s 30 output made me use other weapons most of the time. I only used the Master Sword to break open ores or other things that I didn’t want my other weapons to take damage on.
But that's the point. The master sword isn't powerful because if you're most powerful weapon couldn't break, you'd always use it.
I kit should have been base 40 attack so then you 2 hit early enemies rather than 3 hit them
@@kirin1230 it's literally called the MASTER sword not the brittle pointless stick
@@Scornfull Having the only unbreakable weapon in the game be so powerful would completely nullify any reason to use any other weapon. Good game design is more important than having the master sword be completely overpowered just because it's called the master sword.
“That basically hands them out like candy”
Master trials: am I a joke to you
Still can't beat level 19 of the master trials in master mode 978th time is the charm
master trials is a joke man
On master mode these trials make me want to pull my hair out lmao
On normal, just eat a 30min attack buff before entering and it feels like the plateau again haha
@@Croton master mode final trials is actually easier than normal mode final trials
@Simon Sun that doesn't make any sense lol
The sword trials and master cycle are perfect in the place they're in if you ask me. Good rewards for moderately difficult challenges. I gotta agree on the chest armors though, any new player can grab those almost immediately, and it's even encouraged since you get the quests for them right after beating the plateau.
dude there are quite a lot of guardians around those phantom armor set locations. most new players are not gonna get those right away, hell its super risky even trying till you are either a pro at parrying or have some ancient arrows, so typically you have to get as far as akala and hateno which by then you can easily have 2 star soldier armor which has higher defense. that's not too early considering unlike barbarian or fierce deity set you cannot upgrade the phantom set. so then you can choose between higher defense or attack power and you have 2 decent armor sets till you can get those other sets upgraded which tbh first timers who explore and have fun wont likely get the phantom set for at least 20-30 hours if they ever find the set at all. i never got the set till around 25 hours then i managed to get enough ancient stuff to craft the ancient helmet then i had 2 star soldier set i would pair with the helmet for guardians and the phatom set for most encounters. its not game breaking at all unless you are multiple playthroughs in and are some psycho who drops off the plateau and immediately runs after those pieces like a crazy person with only 4 hearts.
@@buddaflyfx Not that hard tbh, but still a risky first time player investment, sadly. I think is on how commited someone is into getting them
“But the Bike triumphs over the horse in almost every other way”
(Laughs in walks everywhere)
Nice
Laughs in only had my first horse after beating ganon cuz all I did was climb and paraglide everywhere
Laughs in glitches
Laughs in two minecarts.
Laughs in windbombs/bomb impact launches
On my first playthrough, I was entirely blind. I saw the guardians walking around and I bailed, because Oh God No It Can Move. I stayed as far away from Hyrule field as I could until I had enough hearts, weapons, and armor to not die in 2 seconds.
I'm on my 2nd Master Mode run now, and I'm gonna go ahead and say that any blind newbie who runs into Hyrule field and manages to hunt down all the hidden chests with vague directions, killing or outfoxing a crapload of guardians and a Lynel has earned the right to be OP.
i totally agree with this
@@blindsloth364 I totally agree with this.
TRUE. If you are getting the hidden chest early in the game, then you are looking up spoilers, and you could care less if you are overpowered. But if you are not looking stuff up and just figuring it out on your own, chances are you would not figure out where the hidden chests are in Hyrule field until latter in the game.
true, he do be like "hey i played this way myself so its the correct one" well if you have the dlc you know that those rewards exist BUT u dont have any fcking idea of where they are + the normal way of getting it requires to visit another place to search a fcking book and then go find the treasure hidden in a riddle. Well, yes items are OP early but who tf is gonna get them early in his 1st run without destroying the game by himself looking up a guide lmao
i mean, parrying is always an option
I never really used horses anyway, and they kinda become useless with the fast travel system anyway
True, but this requires you to establish a good amount of the map first, so horses are super useful in early and middle game
I dont use em too often but they're good for 2 things, getting to a new tower and getting to somewhere not super close to a tower.
@@SmaeAwkward they'll stay useful in early game tho, no one has the master cycle in early game so I don't really see the problem with it.
@@happynebula5437 that's my point. It's not really overpowered, bc to get to it you have to do so much shit and fight a boss a trillion times harder than the joke of a boss that is Calamity Ganon.
I never used a horse until I started playing in master mode.
That master cycle takes an astounding level of work
This video is basically a: "Back in my day we used to work hard for good weapons and armor" (pls don't take this badly)
Yeah he came across hella salty
I personally love the DLC. As someone who is garbage at BoTW I find the Phantom armor EXTRMELY useful for getting my starting point set up. Then I typically save it for Blight battles once I get my footing.
I worked so hard for max barbarian armor and then boom phantom armor
There a reason i will preach this
Ah yes, because instant gratification isn't detrimental to game design. It's good to have to work hard and get intimate with the game's mechanics, while only periodically getting slightly better gear, instead of having a quest for early game god-armor preloaded. Sure, if you're really not that good at the core combat mechanics, it's a nice crutch to get a footing, but if you're not willing to take risks and play without, you'll never experience the true variety of the game's features. Plus, like the video stated, these DLC items have fiddled with the already delicate balance of the main game items, armors, and mechanics, in such a way that a lot of these have been made trivial.
“Horse system which is crucial to transportation.”
Me who hasn’t used horses until I beat ganon. Nervous Laughter
Who needs horses when you can have THESE LEGS
For real though
I always feel like if im on a horse im gonna miss somthing.
Who needs horses when you have runes that let you fly:
Magnesis: minecart flying machine
Stasis: stasis launch (obviously)
Cryonis+master cycle: use bullet time to yeet yourself into the heavens
Remote bombs: windbombing lmao
I used bombs sooo........
"Trial of the sword should not be doable till late game"
Twiddles thumbs with my fully pumped master sword with a link not knowing who the heck impa is yet
Bro fr, start a new account please 😭😭😭
ive beaten every sidequest, gotten everyitem, upgraded all my armor, completed all the shrines, almost collected all the 900 korok seeds and am still rocking the 40 damage master sword 😐 my forestdweller sword does more damage bruh
@@nathan-qx2ep RIP
@@nathan-qx2ep Not trying to be nitpicky, but technically, you can't have every item in the game if you haven't gotten all 900 Korok seeds. I won't tell you the item in case you don't know what it is, though.
When you complete all the trials with 4 hearts and one wheel of stamina 😎😎😎 #Relatable
You can get a horse with 5 speed straight from the get go with one stamina wheel next to Gannon's horse and honestly after beating the game having cool stuff straight from the get go is nice because before I have hearts I feel like a glass cannon easy to kill but high damage.
I got the DLC after beating the game, so I didn't even think of this. And I still can't beat and trial of the sword.
Same here
I havent beated it yet and got the DLC's when i was a quarter into the game. But I decided not to look up were the rewards were on youtube and try to just find them by suprise.
I still havent found any 20 hours later in game. Im also not really searching for them specificly to keep the game balanced while still feeling enjoyment when i will finaly find them.
I think the biggest problem with the DLC is that you can just hop on youtube these days and just find them in 10 minutes and be OP.
Same! I've beaten the game and I can't even get past the begginer trials
I can't beat the final trial
@Ella nope
The fact that you can heavily rely on the master sword isn’t a bad thing,considering it is, well, the master sword lol the weapon of the hero.
Correct
I disagree the is a MUST in traditional Zelda game but BOTW is built around exploration and cycling through different ways to kill enemies. BOTW its built around a severely different system of combat that kind of revolves around exploration to find weapons if you just relied on the master sword it kinda throws a wrench into the system instead of searching for good weapons (like the royal claymore) or fighting for them (like with any dragon bone monster club or lynell weapons) you just finish a fight maybe break the sword if so wait for it to recharge and go on. theirs no need to search to search for any other weapons. even if a lynall crusher does around 100 damage the fully upgraded master sword has tons more lifetime damage than the crusher. and since it only takes ten minutes to recharge there's no real reason to obtain any other weapons. now in late game like say after you beat ganon and gotten the true ending. this is completely fine. you've already been collecting differing weapons throughout what you've already played. and having to do it ALL the time even after ganon can get stale. but by having the fully upgraded master sword at your disposal it takes away the need to search which is a very nice reward. but this is just my opinion
@@snichelsticks8653 you wrote all that, on the basis that you thought I said it was a must… I never did
@@Uneke ....... well I did something stupid
@@snichelsticks8653 lol no worries. I agree with what you said. The game would be boring if you just relied on one thing
The Trial of the Sword is not even easy at all though lol. I think that at least that part is definitely worth enough to go through for what you get from it. It may not be the whole game, but you do still need to go through at least 40 shrines, which would be roughly 1/3 of the map or so in order to get the Master Sword so it's not a terrible pre-requisite either, on top of the difficulty of the trial. I do agree with the rest of the points though lol.
That's definitely a fair point!! The Master Trials are a much harder challenge and require a lot more skill to complete then the Champions Ballad, so it helps justify it's overpowered reward more in my opinion. I just feel that an item like the upgraded master sword and the challenge that proceeded it would fit better as post game content, considering how much it completely changes the dynamic of the game. However, its really give or take depending on your experience with this game haha.
Thanks for watching though!! 😄
I'm playing the master mode and this is literal hell
When I did the trials of the sword and completed the first one I thought "oh thank god, I'm done! 60dmg master sword!" But got 40dmg and had 2 more trials to complete.
I walked away and didn't play for a few days. 🤣
Tyler Hardy what do you mean the first one? 0.o I tried doing the trial early with just the required 13 hearts I needed to get the master sword and I got to like the first “rest area” that has items and that was as far as I got. I think I remember reading there was like 30 levels or something to that trial and you mean to tell me completing that is only the first step?
@@NomadicNeloc There's several levels to each trial and 3 separate trials. Each trial gives you 10 more damage to the master sword until you get to 60 damage.
“The game practically hands them out like candy” the sword trials and champions ballad: “am I a joke to you?”
Hello!! I just wanted to clear up that this video is ONLY talking about this games normal mode, and not Master Mode. I do agree that these rewards are more fitting for the harder game mode - especially with the phantom armor considering how tough starting enemies are compared to the weapons you get.
And secondly, this video is not a critique on the people playing the game with these rewards - as it's only looking at the balancing of these items from an objective, development standpoint to understand how they could've been worked in better.
Thanks for watching though!! 😄 I love hearing all of the feedback in the comments about this topic - I'm always happy to discuss things!!
.well thank you for clarifying that
While I don’t agree with everything, I do agree the Majora’s Mask should have been moved or reworked
It not only makes the game much less dangerous early on (which are some of the most memorable moments in my opinion)
But also makes Kilton’s Shop next to worthless for new players
.i feel like nintendo didnt account for the fact that people are going to continue getting botw
Who tf cares, DLC is not for broke ppl lmao
Hi I am a big fan and I love Zelda o and I bought the dlc after the beasts so the game was more fun
I understand this, however, I see pointless to receive most of the good stuff at the very end of the game, cause you'd had already completed everything, and there is no reason to use the OP things. This is what happened with me when I received the Master Cycle, I already explored the whole map by that time so it only served to roam around, nothing left to do.
Literal Orchestra same dude, they could’ve least made it useable in the desert or Eldin region so you can get around faster but they ruined that too
That’s probably my biggest pet peeve in games, when you get the “best” weapon or armor in the game right at the very end and there’s no reason to have it because everything else is completed making it pointless other then to say you have it.
If you don’t want to be op then just don’t use it, I don’t think I ever used the phantom armor or majora’s mask in my 2 or 3 play throughs.
@@kittybonkerz3632 same. My second playthrough was with the DLC, and I have never used the Phantom Armour (I do not even know if I took it). Majora's Mask gave me a couple laughs and then tucked away.
i know the feeling buddy
See I think you should get the Master Cycle early on but the upgraded master sword should be after you beat the game, also you should get the armor sets after the game to so you can fight ganon or any other monster with the op set. I think the game should be played without any of the dlc so you can truly play how the developers truly wanted you to play the game(this isn't any hate on you I just wanted to give a valid argument).
Most of the DLC feels like it’s balanced for Master Mode
That would make a lot of sense
Definitely! I think it works great for master mode, but I don't think they were very considerate for how much it breaks normal haha
Croton Whoa. I never expected you to reply.
@@starboost7333 I actually think that Majora's mask is pretty broken in master mode too, since it replaces the role of more strategic ideas, such as using electricity based attacks like thunderblades and shock arrows to disarm enemies and steal their weapons. It also somewhat breaks the path to Zora's domain, since the lizalfos just won't care to attack. I think everything else, including the phantom set, is fine, since it compensates for the extra wear and tear on weapons
Basically turns master mode into bachelor mode
I purchased the DLC around 1 year ago because I already had done everything, every shrine, every divine beast, almost every quest done, lots of armor almost maxed and ofc ganon defeated. Since I still wanted to play the game more, I got the DLC, and it was so much fun for me. Finding the new armors, the ballad of the champions and the one hit obliterer, etc. It was really worth it and as a "endgame" player made the game so much fun again
"tough laberyinths"
Me: *stares at the map, climbs to the very top of the mazes, and glides slowly to the prize*
No shit, right? I do the same thing. Did it right from the start and I did them before any divine beasts. What's in them once you avoid any Guardians that may be in them? Lizalfos and Chu Chus? Like they're hard to beat.
Yeah except the shrines in the labyrinths aren't just sitting there in the middle for you to just glide to. There are walls and ceilings in the way that you have to figure out how to get around. You cannot just glide from the top of the labyrinth walls to the center and find the shrine. So, I'm calling bullshit on both of you. Come on, do you really think the master devs at Nintendo didn't think of that? That EVERYONE would try that shit?😵
This only works with the tundra labyrinth though. The Desert Labyrinth is designed so that the pathway to the shrine is hidden under the architecture. You can sorta do this with the Cliff Labyrinth in Akkala as well, but again the actual path is hidden under a roof.
@UC7nyPmJ4x7eQ8hbXbACjIDA 1st of all, you are extremely naive to think anything is to stupid for someone to bullshit on TH-cam about. 2nd, I'm not calling bullshit on whether they're easy to find or not, they WERE pretty easy. I'm calling bullshit in the method y'all are claiming to have used to find them. Because it's simply not possible to get to the labyrinth shrines in that manner.
@@Dontcareaboutoffending again, that's not what the original post is claiming. Dude is claiming to float from the top of the labyrinth walls straight to the shrine which is simply NOT POSSIBLE
Lol even without the dlc I can just swoop into hurdle castle and simply find OP weapons just there for the taking
But even with the dlc you get royal guard gear that’s better than hylian and champ tunic
Harry Potter The Royale gauged gear isn’t that good it’s about as good as upgraded soilders armor
Still you can break master quest by going to Hyrule castle to loot everything there
Luke Davies Yea every blood moon (which respawns weapons) I go and get attack 60 or higher gear there
But you can't get a mask that makes almost every monster not attack you.
TL;DR: "You should only get the DLC stuff at the point when *there is absolutely nothing left to do in your game* "
Ignoring, of course, that you CAN just bum rush Ganon with 3 hearts straight off the plateau and win, and that the trial of the sword is difficult enough that you absolutely MUST have mastered the game's combat already before you have a chance; especially if you are going for the upgraded sword early on before you've collected all the heart containers. For most of the stuff you are complaining about, the skill gate is more than enough. Why should you have to arbitrarily check off a bunch of tasks that you've already clearly done at least once before to GET that mastery of the game? That's just wasting the player's time for the sake of wasting it.
You talk about matching the game's design philosophy; well one of the core design principles was that if you have the skill to do something, then you can go out there and DO it. Gating all the DLC stuff behind an arbitrary wall related to chores for the player to do rather than the player's skill level violates THAT part of the game's central design, and I would argue the part of the design that gives you the freedom to do anything you have the skill to accomplish is far more important to the game's overall design than the other aspects you think the DLC gear "violates".
I can get behind perhaps putting the armor and mask somewhere harder to reach, but with the rest of the stuff, you already have to prove to the game that you've reached a high level of mastery before it rewards you, so it's not something a new player is just going to snatch up in their first half hour off the plateau. It's something a returning veteran player will pick up to play around with on a second, third, or fifth playthrough.
Thanks, you put it more eloquently than I was going to. My biggest gripe about the DLC was that I had basically done EVERYTHING in the game before I got the final reward of the master cycle - but because I had done everything else in the game at that point, all I had left to do was roam around riding it aimlessly. I may have gone hunting for lyonels or more of the 900 seeds, but without a task to accomplish it wasn't really a reward I could enjoy.
Now lock EVERYTHING behind the same gate? Where's the fun in that? And worse yet - not everybody like playing a game, then starting over and playing it again and again, so there's no world where the rewards should be hidden behind beating the game or only available on a future play through.
@@tilgare I'm very glad I hadn't starting hunting Lyonels or maxed out my armors yet by the time the DLC came out because the Master Cycle Zero greatly helped in marking every single boss on my map and gathering all the ingredients to max out my armors.
I agree almost completely, but I think in the case of the Phantom Armor, the skill gate wasn’t very high at all. I think that it should’ve been a bit harder to get, and then I’d be completely satisfied.
I completely agree, besides, there's a good feeling behind getting everything done BEFORE fighting Ganon, if I could only get the bike after beating Ganon, it would cheapen the feeling of getting it.
that a lot of words
Fun fact: if you time a metal boomerang throw correctly in a lightningstorm, you can use the power of lightning against your enemies.
i almost entirely disagree, especially now that the DLC has had its time to age. Majora's Mask and the phantom armor i can still agree with, but your evaluation of the major rewards bugs me. BotW has NEVER been about railroading your progression, as anyone with experience with the game can beat ganon immediately after the great plateau, and i even did it in my first run after 2 DBs out of pure curiosity, so locking the DLC content behind a "post game" makes zero sense, especially as it would be the only thing in the world to have changed, making for a strange time displacement paradox feel that just results in the DLC feeling even more detached from the main game than it already is.
To break down the major rewards, a full power master sword is already restricted to mid game, by which point surviving raids on hyrule castle is well within all player's abilities, and the trial to unlock the sword when ignoring OoB glitches ensures that players are qualified to wield it. If a player can survive the waves and waves of enemies in environments where they thrive with very limited resources, it makes sense that the reward would replace the same resource management of weapons as they have conquered the game's toughest weapon management challenge. The sooner the player accomplishes the challenge, the more skills and strategy they had to show and implement to reach it, so doing it early is just as valid a challenge as doing it at full power.
The master cycle zero has practically the reverse problem. There is no harm in making the horse mechanics obsolete when you consider that horses were already made obsolete by shrine-based fast travel which did not even need the shines to be completed to use and is unlocked BEFORE horses. Horses are exclusively for exploring new territory, and when you consider that all 4 DBs heavily restrict the use of the horse, why bother in the first place? ( *expansion tangent, can skip if understand the point* horses are not even allowed to enter gerudo desert. death mountain is literally on fire, as well as being entirely uphill on rough terrain. Zora's river is constantly experiencing thunderstorms on first visit to prevent players from climbing up the rocky cliffs and riverbanks, which are already the bane of horses, combined with speedy lizalfos everywhere who dont care about the existence of the horse means it is not worth it to bring one in the first place. Finally you have rito village, which is the only one that is even potentially worth bringing a horse for, but combined with limited stables, overly restrictive whistle mechanic, and the need to activate shrines for fast travel in the first place that plague horse mechanics to begin with makes the trip a bit easier on foot. *tangent end* ) So with a cumbersome horse mechanic that is rarely worth the effort, the master cycle fixes all the problems horses have, while not replacing them when it comes time for the horseback challenges. But as before mentioned, shine based fast travel is unlocked before even horses, and yet the master cycle is only a step in between horses and fast travel in usefulness, so why is there such a heavy restriction on it again? You must have completed the story for the trial to unlock the master cycle to begin, and by that point the player will have found all the fast travel points they need, so all that is left is korok and shrine hunting, and raiding hyrule castle. Notice how only one of the things on that list is mandatory, yet hyrule castle prevents summoning the cycle anyway.
The progression to unlock the master cycle really should have been changed; start with the individual DB challenges and unlock them once the corresponding DB has been tamed, and only after clearing all 4 rematches can the plateau trial begin. completing the plateau trial then results in returning the 1HO to the shrine of resurrection, which reveals the 5th DB. It does not fix the problems the cycle has on the overworld, but it does flow better and give players the option to unlock the champion upgrades at more convenient times. Since the champion upgrades are exclusively reducing the cooldowns, it does not change the gameplay for players at all. If the player doesnt upgrade the powers, they will just wait the extra time for skills to recharge before doing anything challenging, and if it takes enough time for the players to recharge the upgraded skills mid-boss fight, they needed the help anyway and would have stalled until they recharged even if not upgraded.
The only way to truly fix the master cycle would have been to unlock it sooner, but lock most of its functions behind re-conquering the DBs. (smaller fuel tank? limited summoning time? doesnt negate fall damage until challenge is complete? IDK...)
God damn, that is an essay! Why you got 33 likes?
see I was gonna read but as soon as I hit show more my ADHD said "alright I'm heading out"
@@LonelySpecter Same
Idk what you said i started wondering at "NEVER" so agree?
Man, it's a good comment. You should have formatted it better.
I had majoras mask long before the mob masks, didn’t even know it did that, so I never used it. Lol
‘wow! a mask that literally makes you a god that can destroy the world!’
*puts it in inventory and forgets about it*
sci_pain3 It’s for the best. Hyrule’s already in enough danger. We don’t need moons with faces flying into it too
I thought it just made enemies have a harder time discovering you, so I wore it but still were sneaking around.
These replies are funny
“Hands them out like candy”
Seems you haven’t done the Trial of the Sword on Master Mode. Literally broken and hardest Zelda thing ever. Try getting the part with 2 silver Lizalfos while your best weapon does like 25 damage.
Exactly what i was thinking, tbh whenever i do Master Mode Trial of the Sword i always go in with a 30 min level 3 attack buff it honestly seems like its almost necessary to even stand a chance
Just cheese it man. It's ok
I cheesed it.
Bombs man bombs
Oh man I wanna cry, I give up those damn Lizalfos with only 5 second window before they notice you is so annoying.
All you have to do in that room is Sneak Strike Chain them from the side. What I did and what I recommend you do is shoot an arrow at the ground on the other side of it to distract that specific Lizalfos, but not the other one. This way, you can sneak strike it from behind so it doesn’t fall in the water. From there, Sneak Strike Chain away. Repeat this for the other Lizalfos.
Coming from someone who easily got sick of managing horses and only keeping the ones with the best stats, I loved the addition of the master cycle, and I thought it's placement at the very end of the game if you're willing to go through all of the trials is very fitting and doesn't break the game. The horses were fun at first though they got extremely tiring and painful later on. I found myself enjoying the game more using quick travel, but when I got the master cycle I actually found it much more fun to ride around the map instead of quick travel.
I agree with the phantom armor and majora's mask being broken and easy to obtain, I personally didn't like that at all, though I think it would have been best to make it so you had to defeat one or two divine beasts first before being able to dig up their chests. Those DLC armor sets are the only thing I agree on in this though, as the Master sword is the Hero's weapon, in almost every other game it is his main weapon, and I love the feeling of holding the master sword in BOTW.
You could say all of this about the hylian shield as well, a shield that's seemingly unbreakable to a casual player who doesn't like to fight 20 guardians at a time, it ruins progression and eliminates need for other shields unless you want to shield surf better. But if the Hylian Shield (which was dead easy to get) is fine, then I don't see what's wrong with the master sword upgrade which you work extremely hard for upon getting the master sword. A casual playthrough may not even do the trial of the sword if it's too difficult.
Well…
@@Hankthetank097 Well, The two fan hovercycle just destroys the need for horses or literally any other vehicle.
The Hylian shield is "perfectly balanced".
There is an appropriate challenge for what used to be DLC gear.
And the master sword still breaks way too fast making it useless without glitches.
Me: This game is an open-world, right?
Croton: Yep
Me: And the DLC is an optional, purchasable addition to said open world game, right?
Croton: Yep
Me: And with players being able to get overpowered weapons right off the bat if they want to, the DLC might in some ways reflect that with Above-Average early-game gear that becomes weaker the further you progress, right?
Croton: Makes sense to me.
Me: So then there's no problem with the DLC.
Croton: It should all be post-endgame!
He was so dumb in this video. He should take it all back and make an apology video.
Like, the hell, I doubt I'll ever beat Ganon tbh, with being scared to fight anything stronger than a lizalfos and they're already pretty scary, I want to enjoy the dlc too
@@kierenkowe lol a lizalfos
@@kierenkowe you'll get there. I just got my first two Lynel kills yesterday after spending like most of my playthrough avoiding them like the plague
@@SanguineDoe oooh, congrats! I managed to do all the divine beasts recently so that's something
Phantom armor has less defense than fully upgraded Barbarian set, making it useless later on
agreed
Symphony Melody he mentioned that, and it hardly matters anyway, considering that that fact won’t matter until way late game, which isn’t where the problem lies.
But the issue is that it is relatively broken early on. Each piece has a defense stat of 8, beating out pretty much any other piece of armour until you've found two great fairies, and even then the attack boost will make you reluctant to abandon it. The insane 24 defense buff will make most weaker enemies, who should be dealing 1 to 1.5 hearts, deal only a quarter of a heart, breaking the difficulty curve.
Imagine you begin a file, then pick up the set soon after jumping off the plateau. Besides weather resistances, you have no reason to ditch the armour until very late game, and all of the enemies will become cakewalks.
Riku 70X how about fierce deity set
@@dovahkiin7498
It's fine. Way less people have access to it, since you need a specific amiibo for it, and even then you need to scan it several times to even have a chance of getting a piece, and you have to wait some hours before you can scan it again.
Many newcomers will buy the game and get the dlc immediately, then find the phantom armour quickly and never use anything else for a long time. Very few, if any, people will have the Majora's Mask Link Amiibo, and enough luck to get the entire set before already being very far into the game.
“Basically hands them out like candy.”
Me that has trouble getting the master cycle in normal mode: *chuckles* I'm in danger
Good luck with the sword upgrade
and the one hit oblitorator...BIG OOF
@@genericlozfan9862 the end trials are difficult so ya be scared a bit
@@genericlozfan9862 not really, just use the chest finder in there and keep some ancient arrows for the last rooms (23 is the last) early rooms are the hardest but as soon as u get weapons it gets really easy, u can also just waste ur arrows, u get enough if u destroy everything with an axe (don't use bombs, u won't find anything)
I still can't beat level 19 of the master trials in master mode
I feel like your right, but a small counterpoint to be made is that the items are hidden behind riddles in the side quest menu, and thus at least require a few towers to get
there's also guardians in the phantom set areas, unless you are either super good at avoiding them , a pro at parrying or have some ancient arrows going after that set is risky, ancient arrows require hateno and akala by then you can have 2 star soldier armor which has higher defense. phantom se4t cannot be upgraded either so it honestly doesn't seem as game breaking for new players to me. i never got the set till 25 hours in on my first playthrough.
Or people just use the Internet to find them.
As far as the overpowered armor goes, I think a lot of it was put there to help the player in Master Mode. And I LOVE the upgraded Master Sword 'cause it finally feels like some sort of legendary blade. With a standard power of 30 it was worse than a lot of easy-to-get weapons, which was extremely disappointing to me the first time I played the game... Throughout most of the game the Master Sword was the weakest weapon in my inventory, which is sad to say the least. I know it doubles against Malice, but it's still underwhelming. IMO they should have buffed it a lot and give it a much longer recharge time (or make some sort of requirement/task to do to recharge it).
Aaaaaaaand I'm totally in love with the cycle, haha. But I'm glad they saved it for the end game.
I think the base master sword is balanced fine for the late game, because it's really only meant to be used when you are facing malice like enemies and such haha. Otherwise, I would agree that it is really weak in a late game situation.
I deffinitly do agree about the master mode part though, as I feel that these rewards fit very well for that mode - but their placment should have still been altered for the normal.
And yes, the cycle is amazing haha - currently trying to 100% this game, and the cycle is helping wonders with korok hunting 😅
@@Croton I had basic swords do more than 70 damage late game.
If anything, the only thing that makes the upgraded mastersword usable is its durability and recharge.
Vyor that’s the thing that balances those weapons though. Most high damage weapons have low durability (for example royal guard items) and having a weapon that deals 60 damage that pretty much doesn’t break and when it does it’s back in 10 minutes just trivializes the game since most enemies apart from Lynel’s and other minibosses will just take 12 hits max
@@InfiniteGreninja I had durable swords do 70+
@ZACHARY VAUGHN its not a mechanic intended by the developers...they made the durability system to balance the weapons
"Hands them out like candy"? Are you serious?If I tried to beat trial of the sword when I started, I would have quit breath of the wild. I legitimately had to do almost all of the shrines to get my hearts maxed and have decent enough stamina. Even then I failed multiple times. If they had made the phantom knight armor to be a late game item, I wouldn't have gotten it later because the barbarian armor winds up being the better choice in the long run. While yes it may change the flow of the game, not everyone likes to flow at the same pace. That's why you have tanks, dps, and medics. A middle ground I could see is locking them behind some difficult tests in master mode and just leaving them the way they are in standard mode.
I don't think he meant that with the sword
@@sarowie
Warping made for an experience that allowed me to go anywhere I wanted any time. I put major restrictions on fast travel to make both Horses and the Master Cycle worth my time for a reason, and I highly suggest others limit how much they can fast travel or outright ban it if they want to get a better experience.
@@sarowie the motorcycle is there for fun not to be fast and the champions ballad is unlocked after the 4 divine beasts and taking it in perspective by the time you finish the 4 divine beasts you probably haven't explored everything you probably wouldn't even have the majority of the shrines by that point also just because you would rather use fast travel doesnt mean everyone does
@@TheTrueBrawler I agree, I noticed in my standard mode playthrough I never even had a horse. So in my Master Mode playthrough I outright banned it. I think Nintendo should've put some kind of restriction on fast travel, like you could do 3 times every 24 minutes or so.
"That basically hands them like candy."
Me, glitching through the trial of the sword because I'm incapable of beating it: (nervous laughter and sweat)
I beat it and it’s f***ing hard
im probably too late but save your ancient arrow for the end, always look for chest, take the fairies each 5 room and it become really easy
i did that for the beginning trials i already did the whole trial of the sword in normal mode i’m skipping the beginning trials in mater mode i’m still gonna do middle and final i just don’t wanna do floor 10 lmao
No sweat just save one ancient aorrow on round three
i did the same
I actually think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I got the DLC after finishing 3 Divine Beasts. I knew I had hit a particularly tough spot and I wanted that travel medallion. The plus was that it helped me in my final divine beast and I’m looking forward to beating the game with my power ups. Trying to continue the game after beating it already just seems sad and depressing … like trying to hang on to something that it’s time to move on from.
“so many of us spent dozens upon hundreds of hours doing all the main content and completing all the shrines”
Me with 1248 hours on botw: ha those are rookie numbers
That is exactly 52 days
Alex Dias why did you-
How can you be playing botw for that long?
Mr. Moonlight i have nothing else to do
Obviously
Croton: No one beats all the Labyrinths before the Divine Beasts on a blind playthrough
Me, who got the Master Sword before beating half the Divine Beasts: Well, I should probably be considered an outlier anyway
I got it before any
I did all the shrines before the divine beasts. With the exception of like the couple of shrines you can't do until after
i got the master sword before i done any divine beasts and done most of the game... then i got the beasts so... did i do it wrong
Yeah I only did ravioli’s beast.
I beat Ganon and then thought oh shit I need a master sword
I see where you're getting at with the late unlock idea but I feel like a lot of that would be like with the Onimusha series that goes "Here, you have finally completed what you need to earn the best weapon in the game! Enjoy. Oh by the way there's like ten minutes of gameplay left. Cheers."
This is my issue with a lot of "end game" items. I don't think it should be easy to get the best gear near the beginning of the game, but I think it should be possible.
When this game first came out it was praised for solving the problem of people running into late game areas right away and getting game breaking items. But I feel like that was never a problem. If someone has the knowledge and ability to do that, why not let them? It can be fun it destroy a game with overpowered gear.
The loot that's just sitting in Hyrule field should be harder to get though.
Makaque I think the point was if you could get past the guardians then you earned it. Cause early game in hyrule field? Your weapons will run out before it dies and it’s a field, you can’t run away cause their faster and theirs nowhere to really hide once it sees you, your pretty much dead.
Funny part is, my friends playing through it for the first time and got all the EX stuff first. He’s still having a blast. He was also was one of the people who said people who exp farmed in Elden ring ruined the experience. So honestly I don’t see it as a total detriment, as long as people have fun and play it they way they want.
I hate people who do not grind in Dark Souls or Elden Ring. It is so painful to watch them try and complete things in the unintended way.
I think that given what the dlc “stories” ended up being, I think rewards like the master cycle came too LATE in a playthrough. To me, the champion’s ballad didn’t feel like post game content, I think the sequel, which I’ve heard was a originally planned as a third dlc, would’ve fit that description better. By the time I get my hands on the motorcycle, I have almost no need for it. I’ll almost always use a horse instead, unless I’m trying to force a dragon to spawn while riding around lynels lol.
And maybe the armor items are “easily” accessible, but even when I know exactly where I’m looking in a seventh playthrough, I still have trouble spotting them. They are WELL hidden, and I think the challenge they present is that, unless you’re wandering around with magnesis constantly on, you have to know where you’re going. You have to know the map. The dlc points you to a book in a vague location, which gives you a vague description of a place that, if you haven’t visited yet, won’t be spelled out on the map. You still have to explore the vast open world to be able to find them.
And finally, a key factor in the dlc armor, at least for me.....”you can’t fight evil if you ain’t cute”. XD and boy is a lot of the dlc armor not aesthetically pleasing, least of all the phantom armor. Not to mention that it can’t be upgraded, which is a huge turn off for me. Otherwise I’d be running around in maxed out royal guard gear...
I personally love Majora’s Mask. It’s hands down my favorite item in the game. Because sometimes I don’t feel like getting ambushed. But I also played the game before the dlc, I collected all the masks, but Majora’s is still a favorite because it combines their abilities. That, and, as I found out the hard way, you have limited inventory space for armor. You can’t have every in game, dlc, and amiibo piece of armor. There’s just not enough room. And as a completionist, that bugged me. But at least there’s one item that does the same as 4 others...
And bro, I have never in 7 playthroughs been able to beat trial of the sword. 😂 I got close once to beating the second difficulty level, but died at the last second, so to me, a full upgraded master sword is both too much trouble, and utterly worthless compared to some heavy hitter breakable weapons you can get.
wow i just read through that whole thing. it took a while😂😂🔥
I can't hear you over the sound of 360 no-scoping off of the master cycle with ancient arrows into the eyes of a guardian. what did you say?
The real power of Majora's Mask is not having to deal with stal enemies
I agree with you completely.
I wanna try to do the Trial of the Sword up to the medium level just to get the base Master Sword to be on par if not better than my farmed weapons, but I wanna keep the cool story element of it only being at full power when near things like Guardians or Ganon.
The Motorcycle is great until you master Wind Bombing
Jokes on you, I got the DLC content right before fighting Lynels, and that still didnt stop me from dying like 12 times fighting each one lmao
I had done at least 50% of the map without it, and I almost never used a shield beforehand, forgot I even had them. So I guess the DLC in a way just allowed me to survive a bit better against enemies that I was never fighting properly in the first place. I was totally a sneak attacker, distant bomber, rush and attack and run away type before I learned shielding and counter techniques. The DLC armors just gave me better defense and additional power till I learned proper combat, I just know how to control myself and not rely on the DLC to make everything simple. The Master Sword trial is also a very good grounding experience, teaching you all the fundamentals as you move your way up from scratch
when i first started playing i didn't know how to use the shield I didn't have
That's still my preferred method of play. I just like sniping with bows and being sneaky. I *can* parry and flurry rush and all that, but I'd rather sneeeek
"Basically hands them out like candy"
Me: (has to look up where the hell like 20 different stables and ruins are)
Me: *hAhAhaHaaHaHa ._.*
Majoras mask is literally f*cked and I grab it from the beginning because it is SECONDS AWAY FROM THE START WHEN YOU HAVE THE PARAGLIDER and the second best thing I learned from this is that you can sword beam the water buffaloes
The master sword upgrades I feel like are well earned considering the challenge you have to go through to get them which for me was pretty tough lol.
I've been stuck on the beginning trials for over a year now
Lol the rest of the game is irrelevant after Trial of the Sword, who cares about a busted ass Master Sword after that ordeal?!?! And if you CAN beat the TotS with 13 hearts and 1 stamina wheel…..well…who cares? The game is still too easy so a beefed up Master Sword isn’t gonna matter lol
@@bobcole8516 ofc the game is easy even in master mode after you get decent weapons. You can make the game harder choosing to not use they very ugly barbarian and phantom Armour, not farming 5 billion dragon horns in Lake Floria and walking around with 2 full pages of 30 min full attack buff food
@@sword_racer185 same
I still cannot beat them to this day, and I have beaten the game!
Croton: "master cycle completely makes stable systems obsolete"
Me: laughs in 5 speed horse with ancient horse armor
Still not able to easily climb over rocky surfaces, and forget riding down mountains. MC is so good. Its just to bad it has the same area restrictions as the horse.
@@GuyAngon My horse is way faster than master cycle especially if I use infinite stamina.
@@Simon-hs7ik Sure, but to what end? Fast travel out-paces everything. When I'm exploring and need to get around rocky landscapes my horse just isnt up to task
@@GuyAngon I don't need to use master cycle, I just glide down mountains. My point was that master cycle don't make horses obsolete because horses still outclass the bike in certain criterias.
@@Simon-hs7ik Infinite Stamina?
Beating the entire trial of the sword in master mode is definitely the hardest game achievement I've ever completed
ikr
Ditto. There's one room in there that took me days to beat in master mode. I've done so 3 times now, and... man I hate that room.
@@BrBill i did everything without Master Mode at first and then i decided to do it again with master mode and boy... that was a mistake
@@llopl28 I think so -- haven't played in a year or so. It took me a long time to build a good strategy for that Lizalfos room in master mode. Usually I would spend way too much of my weapons there, and have to use my food. It's pretty tricky but I finally worked out a way to beat it.
I would say Pantheon of Hallownest in Hollow Knight is slightly more difficult, but I played more Hollow Knight than BOTW.
You forgot one thing: I'd say almost every player doesn't really go for the DLC missions when they start playing. They just go for the main story and maybe some side missions.
i got phantom set 25 hours in after i already had 2 star soldier and taken down a divine beast. its good mid game armor but not late game. not only is it locked behind riddles but surrounded by guardians. unless you are super stealthy, a pro at parrying or have ancient arrows its super risky going after that set. ancient arrows means you already hit hateno and went through zoras domain to reach akkala. you can easily have 2 star soldier armor and have taken down a divine beast before getting that armor set. thats the most likely route to it for new players.
Except that people paid for the DLC. Removing it, or moving it to the end of the game, would rob people of what they paid for. We paid for an "enhanced" experience, and that's what we got. Messing with it now would ruin what we paid for. If you didn't want the DLC, don't pay for it. If you have the DLC but want just the base game, don't use it. All of these things are voluntary. If you have the DLC and do not want to use or have Majora's mask, then exercise self-control, and play the game without it. You don't have to do the trial of the sword, or the armor collection, or the ballot trials if you do not want to.
This video was just a complaint about entirely voluntary DLC, and what you think Nintendo should "fix" taking away from an experience that a lot of people paid for.
I bought DLC accessible from the start of the game. If Nintendo changed that, myself and many others would demand a refund. You cannot sell something and then tell people what they can and cannot do with it. That's how you lose customers.
If the DLC were only accessible at the end of the game, many people wouldn't have bought it, and many more would only have bought it when they first completed the game for the first time. Overall it would have defeated the point in selling DLC. Nintendo learned from PlayStation and Xbox's mistakes in hiding behind pay walls and "unlockable" DLC. (Ballot of the trials excluded because that's less of traditional DLC and more of an extension of the story past the base of activating all shrines.) The business model that Nintendo used was excellent by selling the armor and Master Sword trials upfront, and then giving away FOR FREE the ballot trials to anyone who had purchased the DLC with the game.
Over all they couldn't have done better, and trying to change that now would only upset their customer base. Everything in this DLC is voluntary, and if you don't want it, you don't have to have it. Don't try to force others to give up what they do want, and paid for.
(Although forced motion controls were a mistake, and the person who made that decision needs to be shot in both kneecaps, at least once. Lol)
I don't agree with his opinion either but it's a far cry from a complaint.
Motion controls can be switched off
@@michaelbotha9207they’re talking about it being on first and not off
@@kenziebalhatchet3918 or the annoying shrines that make you break your wrists to get the right angle to move the balls to the right spots
I 100% agree with what you said. If it was just usable after the end of the game, what would’ve been the point, right? And if you don’t want to play with these dlc items you paid for, then don’t play with them lol
"hands them out like candy" WDYM??!?!? if you didnt do the trial of the sword skip like I did it was not like having it handed to you it was hours of hard work
Slion even doing this glitch is extremely tedious
@@macks702 breh no its ez
@Slion IKR! For the master cycle, you have to live on 1HP and kill a multitude of enemies. And then do shrines. Still on 1HP. Oh, did I mention rematching Waterblight with 5 arrows? Oh yeah, the Trial of the Sword! You have to fight multiple boss battles, and a ton of enemies with weapons that pretty much almost take away one eighth of your health because you don’t get any armour until far in. Once I get to that one that takes place two floors after the Stone Talus, it’s all over, because the Lizalfos on that one have weapons that do so much damage without armour! “Hands them out like candy”. NO! LITERALLY NO!
@@itzyagameace1038 getting the master cycle was also pretty easy ngl
@Slion it is easy, but you have to know what your doing. For someone like me who had never actually experienced waterblight, fireblight and Windblight because my sis wanted to do em, your bound to die atleast once.
Me who cried trying to get the master cycle zero
Him:says it makes the game easy and should be harder to get
Me:are you serious
There's nothing hard about getting the bike lol
Latinofire202 you dare to say that to me
@@AnjiMitoGGST I guess I did.
Its not hard, if you have the skill for it, just like the trials
-_-
Actually you dont even have to wait for the master sword to recharge. There’s a glitch in the game where if its low on energy, you can bring it to its pedestal in the korok forest and enter any of the trial levels. As soon as you enter the trial, leave. Then when you get the master sword back go to your inventory, the master sword should have that little glowing star that appears on weapons that have never been used. There you go. The master sword is even more broken
yes but that's not intentional so its not really Nintendos fault and your just ruining the experience for your self cuz your not gonna do that on accident
I mean that’s such a specific thing you have to do that no player will find that normally so the only people that will actually do that are those that know it exists. So I don’t think that really counts.
How much time does that even save you if you have to warp to the shrine in Korok Forest which takes time to load, enter the trial (even more loading time), then leave the trial (still more loading)?
"At least 50 hours into the game"
Me: after 15 hours gets barbarian armor
This is me ignoring the main quests and exploring the remote corners of the map. Not to mention climbing the labyrinths walls to start at the center lol
You can literally do it in less than an hour, straight off the plateau there’s a cliff and then you get one piece of armour, you can get a horse and get them all if you want as well. This video was ass
I did the same thing. Got all the towers, then saw these big weird things on the map, so I went straight for them lol
U can just climb over the labyrinths
@@michaelbotha9207 but the shrines have roofs over themselves stopping that deform working effectively I know this due to climbing on them and the Hebra one has a diamond in a chest above the roof
This video shouldn't have been "these dlc items broke botw", it should have been "the botw dlc should have had a lot more content to complete before handing you powerful gear".
I guess that's what you meant, but most of the video just comes off as "you're playing the game wrong if you use this dlc gear before you've 'earned' it", which is an opinion I don't really vibe with.
The idea of "playing a game wrong" is fucking stupid period. Especially if it's a single player sandbox open world.
@@ksquidplaysminecraft I don't think that was what Croton really meant, but it did come off that way.
I think it's just him being salty and bitching about not having that stuff at launch compared to if someone just now started playing.
There's no way to play a game "wrong", unless you are using gamebreaking mods or cheats of course. This video is purely looking at the game from a subjective/developmental standpoint, and how the distribution of these items could have been handled differently to make the game more balanced. I don't believe that the experience becomes *bad* if you get these items early - I just think it takes away from it a bit
Croton, Your final statement was a little more salty than you are. You said it should all be post game. THE HELL? That’s not very fair. That came off as implying everyone bought the DLC before playing the game. If that was intended, then you need to make an apology video immediately.
The biggest flaw isn't this... It is that they didn't include 4 more shrines, so you can actually max out both health and stamina at the same time
Me who glitched the vessels and got both max stamina and hearts: reality can be whatever I want
@@Nelux80 me who play on pc and have mods:i can be whatever i want
@@Chaton_Mignon oh shi-
@@llopl28 yes you can get max heart and max stamina once you beat at least 4 shrines and get one memory I think
By the time you get the Barbarian armor, you should have most if not all the upgrades for it, excluding some of the dragon items. Plus, the phantom armor gets outclassed pretty early, you can pick up the soldiers armor and upgrade it pretty fast which makes it 10x better since dmg elixirs are very easy to make.
Damage elixirs stack with armor buffs.
@@Gatrehs lol no they dont unless you're stacking a lvl 1 buff with a level 2 buff, but its impossible to surpass a single level 3 buff
@@dhans9662 yup, the only exceptions are the specific attack buffs, so Ancient Proficiency and Bone Attack Up
8:50 that would mean that NOTHING in the pass is useful. I didn't even kill Ganon until after I did everything I cared to do. I just think a lot of your arguments I completely disagree with and i don't believe they stand solid reason. I do respect your opinion, I just don't agree.
edit: also, who bought the dlc before their first play through?
I did. But I'm getting the stuff after I reach certain checkpoints in the story. Gotta pace myself, you know? So after I get a divine beast freed, I'd go DLC hunting for a bit and if there's a hidden piece in a place I haven't gone, I get the towers and divine beast there before I get the dlc pieces in that area. I'm lazy but dedicated.
Exactly, even if it’s your first run, I doubt anyone would wanna go off and do a bunch of side quests right from the plateau
I got the dlc b4 I started as I'm a long time zedla fan but dint get a switch til a year or 2 after launch. I didn't really use any of the stuff he is complaining about tho and don't find most of it til after the story and dlc as was so much good content finding tingles outfit was my last priority lol. Was a blind playthough as well so I had no idea the items where even that good lol
Saved money got it straight away 1 year still don't have trail of the sword even beginner
I don’t really agree with the master sword and master cycle. It took me days to get both of them and a lot of time and effort. There is an amazing feeling of accomplishment when you get these super cool and powerful items. I’d say, for what the games makes you go through to get them, they are mostly balanced.
If I am honest. The master sword is fun and I forgot the motorcycle existed because I like riding around on autopilot with my horse and taking in the scenery
Trial of the sword in master mode especially is totally balanced with the reward that you get, being able to beat it in master mode is the most challenging thing to do in the game period. Thus the reward is valid
Very true - I feel that the placment of all of these rewards is REALLY good for master mode, but not for normal haha
Trial of the Sword on master mode gave me nightmares 😂
yeah lol same.
Dude he be talking about how hard the base game is and how having this gear makes it so easy. Bro Ganon and his blights are easier to kill than a golden bokoblin and that isn't exaggerating. The difficulty difference between with DLC and without is neglible. The first blight you fight will have 800 hp, the second has 1,200, the third has 1,600, and the fourth has 2,000 hp making it no more than a red lynel. Their attacks do less damage than a red lynel and are incredibly easy to dodge; the only one being a mild annoyance is thunder-blight, which you can still flurry-rush to death. Calamity Ganon is honestly an underwhelming boss, having only 5,000 hp making it weaker than a silver lynel, and its attack pattern is very predictable and easy to dodge. Basically I am saying that the story is so easy it doesn't really matter if you have DLC to help you or not.
I think people are overreacting a bit for "The DLC ruins the flow of the game." Because most of the DLC is objectively worse then the original stuff. A good chunk of it can't be upgraded at all, and generally the DLC stuff requires much more materials then you'll have early on to upgrade them. Compared to the standard stuff which mostly just requires common mushrooms and Bokoblin stuff to improve.
Another thing, is that the DLC content maybe easy to get if you're actively looking for it; but most players play the game as intended first, and use DLC items after the game is beaten or for fun. Never knew someone who was willing to risk getting laser blasted just to get the OP Phantom Armor early on; as opposed to taking the time to go to the three ruins around the outskirts of Hyrule to get the Barbarian set. It's really a matter of Safety vs Speed.
Sure, it maybe broken late game, but by that point... you've kinda already done everything; you should be broken.
Although I agree the DLC items can be game-breaking, most people aren’t going to buy the DLC with the base game and most likely will beat the base game first, the only things that these will help most players with are master mode runs, second play throughs which are easier regardless, challenge runs, and straight to Ganon/ speed runs.
I bought the DLC like halfway through my current playthrough
I am surprised that you thought the trial of the sword should be unlocked later
After getting the sword and then getting the quest seems like a good idea
Most people who would have just gotten over the 13 heart requirement getting the sword
Then just after leaving is told of this grand trial that could give them more power to the sword
This motivates them to get stronger doing more shrines and completing the divine beasts for the blights’ heart containers
Getting better and then enters the hardest trial fighting through each floor each one becoming more and more difficult
Each requiring you to learn game fighting mechanics along with enemy advantages and disadvantages among other things
After blood, sweat and tears you make it to claim your prize that you worked so hard for
The weapon was made to be over powered to symbolize the fact of how much worked for this.
This and the master cycle zero are made for the end game
By then you had competed eighty five to one hundred percent of the shrines
The master cycle literally has you go back to the plateau to do a don’t get hit challenge then everywhere else to do their separate challenges each ending with a harder blight refight since you are limited in your arsenal then back to the plateau again for another divine beast and then a hard boss fight
You are rewarded with the master cycle zero but by then you don’t really need as you only now require the death of ganon
Same thing with the full power master sword
You beating trial of the sword means that you don’t need a sixty damage weapon if you started off with a stick
They are simply bonuses of your commitment
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Barbarian gear being so hard to obtain…
5 bananas *cough*
I always head straight for Majora's Mask whenever I leave the plateau. I hate fighting enemies and prefer exploring, so being able to walk past enemies from the start is pure bliss.
do you at least enjoy fighting lynels and guardians?
@@bmprimer7809 Once I'm prepared yeah. I'm not about to rush at them without clothes and only a stick and a pot lid to my name like some crazy (but talented) people.
and thats why i love this game, including the dlc (which i cant afford till today (cries silently in the corner)), because you can do whatever you want right from the beginning. wanna have a challenge? dont use dlc stuff, or even no armor. wanna smash every mob you can find? here you got phantom armor. wanna just explore w/out being noticed? here you go, majoras mask. you are not forced to use anything, it just opens some doors early on. if you like easy exploring in this game, you need to have nearly everithing explored before you can buy proper stuff for it
@@bmprimer7809 I fear both
@@gamercat1952 hm i love fighting them nowadays since i know i can just hit them in their weak spots, (the face for the lynel and eye for the guardian) and they are guaranteed to be stunned for long enough for me to attack them with no worries whatsoever, i remember fearing them both on my first time playing, then i got better over time, and i kill em with little effort
(This is a joke) alternate title: boomer complains about the easiness of life nowadays versus how hard it was "back in his day"
If I could get the upgraded Master Sword only after I already beat everything, what exactly would I need the upgraded Master Sword for??
Nintendo: There's some powerful boars out there that need slaying I guess
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*everything
The game only requires 13 hearts to get the upgraded master sword - that is FAR from beating everything
@@Croton Yeah, but in the eyues of a begionner,. going through those trials with 13 hearts is damn near impossible unless you just have natural combat talent out the wazoo.
@@GuyAngon Then you'll have to train up a bit! The 4 divine beasts and their bosses help a lot with learning combat skills (esp thunderblight)
And that's all I'm suggesting - more requirements so a really good player can't get the master sword early and break the game.
Botw is a big game, and the upgraded master sword is very overpowered reward - so that's why I think it should be repositioned accordingly
You should check out LevelUp Royal's suggested game play sequence with the DLC expansion pack. Straight off the Great Plateau, he goes to Lake Hylia to collect Staminoka Bass, then the Lake Tower to get that part of the map. Then to the Taobab Grassland to catch a 5-Star Speed Horse and ride it to the Horse God Shrine to begin collect the Ancient Horse Gear to be able to teleport your horse in the game. He then concentrates on getting the Phantom Ganon Armor to give increased stealth optimal for catching critters for food and armor buffs and for having Bone Attack Up with Dragonbone Moblin Clubs. He emphasizes first gathering Hearty Durians and Mighty Bananas in the Faron Region to cook during Blood Moons. So, he basically comes up with a different strategy for approaching the game using only modest buffs from the DLC that allow the player to escape the usual drudgery of trudging to Dueling Peaks, then to Kakariko Village, and on to Hateno Village straight off, etc., relatively underprepared for some of the bad guys that one encounters along the way. By roaming the countryside to collect food buffs, weapons, and armor just from the regular game, one can later face the challenges of the Divine Beasts a bit more prepared than one does by the standard route that the game leads you on. And whereas the standard game play encourages you to avoid combat unless necessary because it upgrades your enemy level, he teaches fight ~everyone you meet to get to the silver enemies and start collecting the rewards from that. Rather than learning the best way to hide out in the game and sneak around, he teaches the best strategies for taking any enemies on. Too bad LevelUp Royal seems to have departed from this world. But any monster he ever saw carrying a Dragonbone Moblin Club is doomed at that moment. He teaches you how to raid Hyrule Castle after only completing Divine Beast Van Medoh and puts Woodland Tower and Korok Forest a lot earlier in the game, too, with a big emphasis on maxxing Korok seed collection along the way to upgrade inventory slots to hold all the regular weapon booty being hauled in. He ~cleans out every region that he leads you to for the Korok seeds.
That's all well and good if you think that BotW's natural progression is too difficult. Which it might be, to some, and I personally think it's not an "easy" game, but without some level of difficulty, the player will not be encouraged to explore and leverage the different options and tools that the game gives. If all it takes to get through the game is run-and-slash then most players would be missing out on 95% of the fun that the game has to offer.
I agree with alot of this, but the master sword buff feels very necessary especially since the late game weapons are already stronger than it and the weapon cycling kinda goes away once you can farm major trials and lynels + most other enemies just carry royal stuff. And not having the master sword as the most powerful weapon seems weird
I don't so much agree with the first 2 because, in my initial play through, I avoided Hyrule field due to not knowing about the perfect parry till I was fighting Gannon. Even in latter play throughs I still went to Hyrule field last. With your solution, some of the DLC rewards would not be good enough and would be disappointing.
That's interesting that you say that about the perfect parry - because it really goes to show that there are so many basic mechanics in this game that go for the most part completely unexplained to the player. (Similar situation with me and the quick spin - which I didn't know even existed until a good 100 hours in 😅). So because of that, I can see in your situation, why items like the Phantom gear and Majoras Mask would be disappointing - as you didn't get them till much later.
But with an open ended game like Botw, people are naturally gonna have completely different experiences on their first playthroughs, some being easier/harder then others. For the players who had an initial fear of Hyrule feild because of the guardians, probably didn't get those items right away and played the game like intended in the base experience. But for the ones who wernt scared of it, may of went there right after the plateau, got the overpowered items right away, and therefor experienced a very unbalanced version of the game. So at the end of the day, its all relative to a players unique experience to this game - which is why some people had a problem with the rewards, while others didn't.
Personally, even after I learned how to do a perfect parry, I was really worried about messing it up when fighting Guardians, because you don't get much of an opportunity to practice the timing until you can survive the initial blast.
But I didn't avoid Hyrule Field completely. As a result of the blank spot on my map, the presence of Central Tower CALLED TO ME. I decided to go for it even before I could survive a fight against a decayed Guardian. It was a great exercise in stealth and avoidance, and I did it on the first or second try. ❤️ Big feeling of accomplishment!
@@Croton there's a quick spin?
@@Radien I stealth first 50 or 60 hours of Master Mode when I was playing it blind, lmao. First I went and got all the tower and that one in particular was nerve-wrecking. Although now I am more gang-ho about it since you can get on top without them shooting you all the time if you are fast enough.
I actually really love the royal guards set because it makes it so I don't have to upgrade the climbing gear to get the climbing jump stamina reduction effect. And I love Zant's helmet because I can get the unfreezable effect without upgrading the Rito gear.
Those ones are really nice!! Especially the royal guards set, which is very underrated in my opinion
I’ve gotta disagree. I think that for most players, to see use of the DLC items, they should get them early. Once you have better armor, the DLC armor seems like a waste of time. They come across as costumes mostly. The only exception is the phantom armor, which makes you very strong for early game.