Me, a fellow austrian will do the exact same thing in approx 2 Months haha! Already looking for renting a tesla in chicago, vegas or florida. Depends on where I can find one with FSD
Interesting, yes also in an emergency you sometimes need both hands on the wheel , like someone going the wrong lane towards me recently and had to avoid before I could honk.
like the calm and carefull discussions and explanations also taking care for the nuances and differences - for example to understand the nuances in german traffic or street and traffic separation design. Like 30 km / h limit around hospitals, schoolls, eldery residences but only from 7 am to 6 pm and so on. Also the speed limits can be - mostly on highways - limited by rain or wet street conditions. Those are warning that the street surface ahead might be suffering in a strong sudden rain shower which have already caused accidents and then this part of the street will llimited for wet surface conditions. VW can do it quite good but not perfect for example if you are on a highway and there is an exit lane going into a strong curve then there are speedlimits of 30 km / h quite often but only for the exit lane, not the highway itself. And then the VW can struggle a bit (I mean it beeps and blinks that driving 120 is a bit over the limit of 30). But as always things are improving, sometimes quite slowly or too low. Tesla is starting with advertising here and there maybe just locally, but the reputation of tesla is struggling cause if you buy the car tomorrow they can depreciate that investment big time by cutting prices again which had happened quite often. And the broken promises like the idea of visual parking would work - and it did not for months already.
Fascinating video ! I have a 2022 MYLR in the UK (FSD option and with USS but this can now be deactivated since 14.6) My FSD observations are identical with what Peter reported sadly.- particularly the reduced capabilities over time. Fortunately there is less paranoia about Musk here though and Teslas are increasingly common in the area where I live just to the north of London.
Impressive drive except for the end where it took the wrong lane. Good to compare US with Europe. Netherlands experience is the same as Germany. I sold my model S after a 5 years wait for payed for FSD and never getting anything meaningful. I drive an Xpeng G9 now. Its ‘FSD’ that is called Xpilot gives the same functionality in Europe as Tesla. It is free of charge so everyone has it. I use it a lot. Quality of the car is better than Tesla and the cost is much lower. Having said all that if the Tesla software would be allowed in Europe it would have stayed with Tesla. But now Xpeng in China shows quite remarkable results too. I will buy who wins (in Europe).
If everything works out well, we can have FSD supervised, maybe with reduced functionality in October this year. New UNECE regulations are on their way!
Also for the driver it is very difficult to find out which lane is the correct one. The problem here is that the street is stacked, a street with the same name is on top on this one, there is no or a very bad gps signal down there, and i imagine like Jon does, that the map data can not handle this. We dont have these situations in Germany. It is more an edge case.
In the us on rural roads, we have the same speed limit issues. It thinks rural roads are 25mph, even thou the speed limit is 55 mph. The speed dropping on main road where's the speed limit is 55, there are areas where it constantly will drop to 20mph. But as soon as you touch the accelerator pedal, it shows the speed limit jumping back to 55mph.
With version 2024.8.9, the behavior in Germany is like this: the speed limit is reduced by signs, but is no longer set back to the old value. If you have activated FSD (European version), it is no longer possible to increase the speed limit with the scroll wheel. You have to constantly manually press the pedal to drive normally.
@@OrbitTheSun that's right. Belgian law even has speed limits reset to whatever is valid in rural/normal/highway area at the first next crossing lane at your right. So by law, eventual speed limit has to be repeated within the area at every crossing, causing floods of roadsigns... Speed limit end signs though, are often omitted, so your pedal is your friend until FSD understands Belgian traffic law. Advantage: now paying MORE attention to speed signs than before, a saving on fines money :-)
19:20, Give Germany some love: I'm afraid this problem of inaccurate speed adjustment is widespread and not isolated to Europe or Germany. My Tesla was on cruise control (TACC) at 70 mph with other cars moving along fine on freeway (in California), then out of the blue my car slowed down as if there were an accident or something. The 70 MAX (in blue) somehow became 25 MAX. Confused at that first time, I immediately disengaged TACC and floored the pedal to accelerate. This happened again off and on that I just had to heighten my awareness whenever I used TACC.
If you have a mercedes in germany with drive pilot you can make the lane change on your own and drive pilot is still engaged which makes it alot more convienient on highways.
I can’t believe you’re not using auto set max speed! It’s the best part of v12! Gone are the days of continuously adjusting the speed with the scroll wheel.
FSD will never become unsupervised if the speed limit is not met 100%, doesnt matter if 95% of the cars believe that the speed limit is simply a suggestion and not a law. So enjoy it as long as you can because it might not be available for long. Then again FSD probably need a couple more years to truly become autonomous...
Elon Musk souring the brand of Tesla is absolutely active in the US as well. I love my car but bought it back when it was still a "cool tech". Recently it has been a bit embarrassing and it is not uncommon when people find out I have a Tesla to be asked with disgust "but what about Elon?". I have family and friends that love EVs and have appreciated what Tesla offers but Elon being so closely tied to the brand and what he posts on Twitter (or X, whatever) rules it out as an option for them.
I have 2019 Model 3 Performance in the UK, and our Autopilot has the same limitations as Germany i think, except one thing you diddnt mention (not sure if its the same in Germany but i suspect it is) is when using Autopilot the steering angle is limited, so the car is not able to take sharp turns and veers into the oncoming lane while flashing up a steering limited warning... this is something that is very dangerious and tesla really should remove this! I beleive that this is some euro regulation that has had to be added..
Yes according to quite a few youtube videos driving in UK or Europe. I would not be surprised with some of the other difficulties with FSD in Europe are not bugs but regulation.
I'm from germany and while people see musk critically as well, I never met anyone who thought musk is a nazi, that's insane and I think a misrepresentation that he said that.
@@Mrbfgray I am using FSD with its restricted capabilities for 90% of my highway drives since 4 years now. So I am happy with it but i want more, because there is more.
The comparison of FSD between the US and Germany and Europe is a bit meaningless since we have in Europe an old stack that does not have any of the V12 FSD software as far as I know 0% of that.
I dont know we have the visualization in the meantime. But of course that is true. But the US people do not know how limited we are in Europe for such a long time. Teslas credibility is suffering from that.
You definitely hear the Elon Musk comments in the US too. I hear from plenty of people they won't buy a Tesla because of Elon's comments, fair or not. Tesla as a brand was much cooler 5-8 years ago then it is now. This is coming from a person who has owned Teslas since 2016 and remember you could count the number of Teslas you saw on the road in single numbers per month.
By advent of AI in every aspect of life I think future generation IQ will drop to under 70! It reminds me ideocracy movie which I'm sure its going to happen soon!
I absolutely hear a lot from Americans who absolutely loath Elon Musk and believe everything he is connected to must be bad, and would actively work to destroy his projects if they could. It’s not just in Germany. These feelings are widespread in many circles.
He doesn't look comfortable with eyes glued to the road. I remember when I got V10.1 and my drive with my hands so tight on the wheel that it always disengaged.
@peterhelm522 I have only watched the first 5 minutes. I will finish later, you must get behind the wheel. Good for you and I hope Germany gets FSD soon.
FSD flaws in 12.3.6 go *far* *beyond* corner cases or 'imprecision'. Nice try sugar-coating the harsh reality of FSD. It's just a simple minded Level 2 assistant that makes frequent mistakes .
@@DerekDavis213 In my almost three hour ride on FSD V12.3.6 in difficult Chicago I experienced it differently. Of course not perfect but V12.4 is coming in. That will continue like that.
@@peterhelm522 _Of course not perfect but V12.4 is coming in. That will continue like that_ And when 12.4 *continues* to make mistakes on any challenging route, you will say: 12.5 will be much better 13 will be amazing!
Yeah, it had me wondering, too. There has to be something special about the street if you spend some time walking around it or visiting the restaurants. That’s my best guess.
Thank you so much for this great experience! It was incredible and you where so kind to me! We in Europe are waiting badly to have this technology.
Didn’t know, that FSD will be allowed here at the end of the year…where do you get this information?
👍
You’re welcome! See you again next time. Have a great stay in Chicago while you’re here.
Me, a fellow austrian will do the exact same thing in approx 2 Months haha! Already looking for renting a tesla in chicago, vegas or florida. Depends on where I can find one with FSD
@@Tenniszogger YT removes the link of my post, but google recent „UNECE autonomus driving“
Watched quite a few Fsd videos. This narration is by far the best
Thank you! 🙏
Not only Germany, but the rest of Europe!
5:50 we definitely need fsd to have honk functionality
😂 🤣 💯!
Interesting, yes also in an emergency you sometimes need both hands on the wheel , like someone going the wrong lane towards me recently and had to avoid before I could honk.
Love that Go-Pro setup with the upper vision and the screen stuff you are doing.
like the calm and carefull discussions and explanations also taking care for the nuances and differences - for example to understand the nuances in german traffic or street and traffic separation design. Like 30 km / h limit around hospitals, schoolls, eldery residences but only from 7 am to 6 pm and so on.
Also the speed limits can be - mostly on highways - limited by rain or wet street conditions. Those are warning that the street surface ahead might be suffering in a strong sudden rain shower which have already caused accidents and then this part of the street will llimited for wet surface conditions.
VW can do it quite good but not perfect for example if you are on a highway and there is an exit lane going into a strong curve then there are speedlimits of 30 km / h quite often but only for the exit lane, not the highway itself. And then the VW can struggle a bit (I mean it beeps and blinks that driving 120 is a bit over the limit of 30). But as always things are improving, sometimes quite slowly or too low.
Tesla is starting with advertising here and there maybe just locally, but the reputation of tesla is struggling cause if you buy the car tomorrow they can depreciate that investment big time by cutting prices again which had happened quite often. And the broken promises like the idea of visual parking would work - and it did not for months already.
Fascinating video ! I have a 2022 MYLR in the UK (FSD option and with USS but this can now be deactivated since 14.6) My FSD observations are identical with what Peter reported sadly.- particularly the reduced capabilities over time. Fortunately there is less paranoia about Musk here though and Teslas are increasingly common in the area where I live just to the north of London.
Elon Musk is a threat to the german Autoindustry, so FUD is very dense. Unfortunaltly Elon gives on X a lot of amunition for FUD.
4:56 open door on parked car is registered!
Yes! It’s cool, isn’t it?
Impressive drive except for the end where it took the wrong lane. Good to compare US with Europe. Netherlands experience is the same as Germany. I sold my model S after a 5 years wait for payed for FSD and never getting anything meaningful. I drive an Xpeng G9 now. Its ‘FSD’ that is called Xpilot gives the same functionality in Europe as Tesla. It is free of charge so everyone has it. I use it a lot. Quality of the car is better than Tesla and the cost is much lower. Having said all that if the Tesla software would be allowed in Europe it would have stayed with Tesla. But now Xpeng in China shows quite remarkable results too. I will buy who wins (in Europe).
If everything works out well, we can have FSD supervised, maybe with reduced functionality in October this year. New UNECE regulations are on their way!
Also for the driver it is very difficult to find out which lane is the correct one. The problem here is that the street is stacked, a street with the same name is on top on this one, there is no or a very bad gps signal down there, and i imagine like Jon does, that the map data can not handle this. We dont have these situations in Germany. It is more an edge case.
In the us on rural roads, we have the same speed limit issues. It thinks rural roads are 25mph, even thou the speed limit is 55 mph. The speed dropping on main road where's the speed limit is 55, there are areas where it constantly will drop to 20mph. But as soon as you touch the accelerator pedal, it shows the speed limit jumping back to 55mph.
With version 2024.8.9, the behavior in Germany is like this: the speed limit is reduced by signs, but is no longer set back to the old value. If you have activated FSD (European version), it is no longer possible to increase the speed limit with the scroll wheel. You have to constantly manually press the pedal to drive normally.
@@OrbitTheSun that's right. Belgian law even has speed limits reset to whatever is valid in rural/normal/highway area at the first next crossing lane at your right. So by law, eventual speed limit has to be repeated within the area at every crossing, causing floods of roadsigns... Speed limit end signs though, are often omitted, so your pedal is your friend until FSD understands Belgian traffic law. Advantage: now paying MORE attention to speed signs than before, a saving on fines money :-)
9:47 - Sign for "Juarez driving school" on the left. Quite a funny coincidence at the end of this supervised automated short trip.
This ep is gold and I know Peter :)
Danke for this interesting video!
Wow. This is very impressive.
19:20, Give Germany some love: I'm afraid this problem of inaccurate speed adjustment is widespread and not isolated to Europe or Germany. My Tesla was on cruise control (TACC) at 70 mph with other cars moving along fine on freeway (in California), then out of the blue my car slowed down as if there were an accident or something. The 70 MAX (in blue) somehow became 25 MAX. Confused at that first time, I immediately disengaged TACC and floored the pedal to accelerate. This happened again off and on that I just had to heighten my awareness whenever I used TACC.
If you have a mercedes in germany with drive pilot you can make the lane change on your own and drive pilot is still engaged which makes it alot more convienient on highways.
Same with enhanced AP or FSD in Germany. What you describe is only with the free basic Autopilot
I can’t believe you’re not using auto set max speed!
It’s the best part of v12!
Gone are the days of continuously adjusting the speed with the scroll wheel.
FSD will never become unsupervised if the speed limit is not met 100%, doesnt matter if 95% of the cars believe that the speed limit is simply a suggestion and not a law. So enjoy it as long as you can because it might not be available for long. Then again FSD probably need a couple more years to truly become autonomous...
Elon Musk souring the brand of Tesla is absolutely active in the US as well. I love my car but bought it back when it was still a "cool tech". Recently it has been a bit embarrassing and it is not uncommon when people find out I have a Tesla to be asked with disgust "but what about Elon?". I have family and friends that love EVs and have appreciated what Tesla offers but Elon being so closely tied to the brand and what he posts on Twitter (or X, whatever) rules it out as an option for them.
Thanks for reuploading, I hope I didn’t make you feel uncomfortable…✌️
No. You saved me. 😅 Thank you! 🙏
@@techgeektesla sure, you’re welcome :)
I have 2019 Model 3 Performance in the UK, and our Autopilot has the same limitations as Germany i think, except one thing you diddnt mention (not sure if its the same in Germany but i suspect it is) is when using Autopilot the steering angle is limited, so the car is not able to take sharp turns and veers into the oncoming lane while flashing up a steering limited warning... this is something that is very dangerious and tesla really should remove this! I beleive that this is some euro regulation that has had to be added..
Yes according to quite a few youtube videos driving in UK or Europe. I would not be surprised with some of the other difficulties with FSD in Europe are not bugs but regulation.
another fix needed for Autopilot in EU: it should not stay in the lane forever, but move over to the right whenever possible. Hope FSD does this.
I'm from germany and while people see musk critically as well, I never met anyone who thought musk is a nazi, that's insane and I think a misrepresentation that he said that.
"12.4 is coming out this week..." You always have to take "Elon Time" in to account. "This week" could mean "somewhere in the future...maybe"
Oh I see thanks
In germany tesla is years behind traditional german car brands.
Only for the ones which have no idea. But don’t be suprised one day, I told you!
LOL
@@peterhelm522 Don't forget that Tesla driver aids are relatively rubbish in Germany.
@@Mrbfgray I am using FSD with its restricted capabilities for 90% of my highway drives since 4 years now. So I am happy with it but i want more, because there is more.
wait for 12.4 (12.52)!
I cant, I am heading tommorow back to Germany
Curios how it does on lower wacker and lake shore dr
Great question! Video coming soon on Lower Wacker specifically.
The comparison of FSD between the US and Germany and Europe is a bit meaningless since we have in Europe an old stack that does not have any of the V12 FSD software as far as I know 0% of that.
I dont know we have the visualization in the meantime. But of course that is true. But the US people do not know how limited we are in Europe for such a long time. Teslas credibility is suffering from that.
year in germany we have the old stack which is 12years old.😁
@@rsamd Not really, we have VO, no radar, no USS, the visulization from beta, speed sign recognition and so on. But from the function side, yes.
You definitely hear the Elon Musk comments in the US too. I hear from plenty of people they won't buy a Tesla because of Elon's comments, fair or not. Tesla as a brand was much cooler 5-8 years ago then it is now. This is coming from a person who has owned Teslas since 2016 and remember you could count the number of Teslas you saw on the road in single numbers per month.
Yes, it’s true here, too, that Elon gets a bad rap, but I don’t feel like it’s as bad as it is in Germany.
@@techgeektesla probably true
By advent of AI in every aspect of life I think future generation IQ will drop to under 70! It reminds me ideocracy movie which I'm sure its going to happen soon!
I believe the differences will be greater
I absolutely hear a lot from Americans who absolutely loath Elon Musk and believe everything he is connected to must be bad, and would actively work to destroy his projects if they could. It’s not just in Germany. These feelings are widespread in many circles.
Yes. IGNORANT people. LOTS of them.
He doesn't look comfortable with eyes glued to the road. I remember when I got V10.1 and my drive with my hands so tight on the wheel that it always disengaged.
I was very comfortable, but very concentrated, i wanted to register everything and did not want to damage the car in these new and foreign conditions.
@peterhelm522 I have only watched the first 5 minutes. I will finish later, you must get behind the wheel. Good for you and I hope Germany gets FSD soon.
YEAH yeah but Merc is level 3. 😄
Unfortunately the EU is the world champion in overregulation .....
In the USA.......the easiest challenge in the world.
You have the report button. Tesla at this point is after corner and imprecision cases. If you wanna help, press it for any imprecision
We did that actually once!
FSD flaws in 12.3.6 go *far* *beyond* corner cases or 'imprecision'.
Nice try sugar-coating the harsh reality of FSD. It's just a simple minded Level 2 assistant that makes frequent mistakes .
@@DerekDavis213 In my almost three hour ride on FSD V12.3.6 in difficult Chicago I experienced it differently. Of course not perfect but V12.4 is coming in. That will continue like that.
@@DerekDavis213 Sick points you made there xD
How about you tell us what you think they should fix?!
@@peterhelm522 _Of course not perfect but V12.4 is coming in. That will continue like that_
And when 12.4 *continues* to make mistakes on any challenging route, you will say:
12.5 will be much better
13 will be amazing!
Why is that a "cool" road? It does not strike me as anything special and rather an ordinary US style urban road. Is it cool because of some venues ?
The houses and restaurants where quite unique, nice style. But best in the world?
Yeah, it had me wondering, too. There has to be something special about the street if you spend some time walking around it or visiting the restaurants. That’s my best guess.
Ugliest street IMHO.
Seriously most EU streets look much nicer.
So no clue what people see in this street.
Lower Wacker Drive Chicago is beautiful.