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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Minecraft features unique systems-based gameplay that drives the player to come up with unique solutions to every problem. Unfortunately, some recent additions to the game have not stacked up to what came before.
00:00 start
00:46 systems
01:45 a niche example
02:12 specialization & progression
03:16 copper
04:50 potential guidelines
05:45 take care
Music used:
Stevie Wonder - Sir Duke
Reflejo Andaluz - Carcelera (Inferno T spawn)
Earthbound - Enjoy Your Stay
L4D2 - The Saints Will Never Come
Tchaikovski - Waltz of the flowers (Rosalina in the Observatory)
Russ Morgan Orchestra - Were you foolin (Ultrakill - Take Care)
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Great video. Really well made points.
love your content, this means a lot!
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Hey cub
@DayInShinnyArmor hey
I think you nailed it here
I think mojang got to a point where they were "happy" with the game and less willing to take risks, so they just kept adding stuff that doesnt really matter and doesnt threaten any of the existing systems. I think this is why we have seen an abundance of new mobs, since each one can kinda just exist, do one thing, look cute and be ignored. similar story with decorative blocks and wood variants. they dont do anything, theyre just another way to look at the same systems.
In a sandbox (which is Minecraft) not everything has to be useful. As long as it can be used creatively. New blocks are NEVER bad for a sandbox.
@@BrianMerlin not important. if there arent enough useful changes, then every update just becomes a builder / explorer update. when nothing interacts, every item becomes purely aesthetic or solves 1 specific problem with no thought.
we arent acting like every single item has to have this incredible depth, sometimes a new wood variant is nice. but when thats all we get in updates, it makes the game stale.
@@BrianMerlin The thing is that this rule applies to blocks that have different properties. For example PowderToy, you have multiple different things there, If they would add idk, sodium it would have interactions with water, oxygen and many more. But if they added Retextured spark it would change absolutely nothing because it works the same. If cherry wood could have some properties (maybe adding cherries) then it would be fine. But as it stands now it's just retextured wood. Good for building, not really for a sandbox game
Yeah i think netherite template and the upcoming villager nerf is risky... Ur point is kinda week evidence wise
@@BrianMerlinAdds bloat to the game. Like Copper barely has any uses. Remember in the video how he mentioned features in the game being able to satisfy many different play styles. Adding useless blocks can satisfy a builder but to everyone else it's completely useless and the update could suck for them.
I think they should stick to gold being kind of the life giving element (golden apples/carrots and villager curing) and start using copper with redstone, change the powered rail recipe to make them useful early game
gold being more mystical and copper being more technical feels p good iwl
I agree. Making rails cheaper is a good way of buffing them for transportation early on.
They could make Glowstone, Lapis, Gold and Copper the 4 essentials of an Alchemy system. Maybe throw in Quartz too.
Glowstone = Fire
Lapis = Water
Copper = Air
Gold = Earth
By alchemy I mean expanded potionmaking. Imagine if all of the random junk materials (Nautilus Shells, Sniffer Flowers, Quartz, Mushrooms) that are rare for some reason are actually alchemy items, and on a public server you could use them as currency with the local alchemist player to get them to make you a cool new potion for you to use? Maybe we could have building mobility potions, building spells that increase your reach, Redstone spells that let you activate a Redstone dust by clicking on it, etc. Maybe also a charisma potion that gives trading buffs, or a fertilizing potion that gives a slow but constant bonemeal aura? The possibilities are endless!
@glassofwater281
Since Mojang seems so hesitant to break backward compatibility, I doubt they'd do that specifically, but they could change it to copper and keep backwards compatibility by making the powered rail use copper while giving it a new texture and making a new high speed rail use gold while giving it the old powered rail texture; no contraption would lose functionality, and no item/block would be taken out of the game. (Also, the rails really should accelerate carts based on redstone power as well since redstone power has gained functionality and importance since the powered rail was added.)
@officersoulknight6321
Also, that alchemy system sounds cool; a potion of spider climbing could really help for building.
@@SkywarslordAnother idea is relooking at how redstone works as Copper is what’s used in real life to bring electricity to stuff.
Maybe removing the ability to place redstone dust and making a new wire which is crafted with redstone and copper would be a fix to coppers lack of usefulness.
I mean I would play survival, but I've always thought the game was too easy & it seems to only be getting easier. I wonder what's going to happen when Hytale gets released 🤔
If Minecraft survival feels too easy for you, try Vintage Story. Every new tool, building, or mechanism you build comes with blood sweat and tears and feels like a monumental achievement. The progression is beautifully well balanced and forces you to interact with almost every system in the game to achieve more complex technology and access more materials. We don't have to wait for Hytale, the survival aspect of Minecraft has already been blown clean out of the water.
All they need to make modern minecraft easier is revert Creepers to their old behavior from the betas. They don't stop walking when they explode. They chase you down mercilessly until both you and the creeper's life has been ended.
if* Hytale gets released
It will just be another game. It's going to appeal to the part of the Minecraft community that wants something more like an RPG and that's fine. Minecraft doesn't pretend to be difficult, Minecraft shouldn't try that. I'm sure Minecraft won't try to compete directly with Hytale and that's perfect. Both games can coexist offering something different from each other.
Mods are like the car keys to your drunk self. Just get forge or fabric, install some mods to make minecraft difficult- or simply customize it to your liking - and then play the game.
This has been a problem for Minecraft since the very early days tbh (though definitely more egregious now). For example lapis lazuli, much like copper, has been functionally useless since its addition in the early days of minecraft, only being used for enchanting, which lapis lazuli's insertion into was a shoehorned and redundant feature added exclusively so you couldn't say lapis lazuli was completely useless.
Also Emeralds being almost EXCLUSIVELY for Villager trading, and that alone (unless you count Beacons) :V
Which came a while after the Villagers did, too...
I remember when you didn;t need lapis for enchanting and getting annoyed and confused when I suddenly did haha
@@crazydragy4233 same
Rails have been completely ignored basically from their inception. Worse, rather than polish that system, maybe add a few basic features from the old Railcraft mod, they further trivialized travel with the Elytra and firework boosting.
@@stantrien8106
Rails are actually really useful.. just in none of the way it was intended lol.
Technical players have found a way to make easily tilable and compact wiring, absurdly fast elevators, instant wires, instant item transportations, exc by exploiting the rail's code.
But yeah i do agree that rails and minecart mechanics needs to be reformed due to how dated they are, and to give it benifits to more than just technical players.
Its interesting because there are a lot of parallels between the dynamics that you are describing and with issues that I've heard discussed by the designers of Magic The Gathering. Mechanics that are introduced that only really interact with themselves are referred to as "Parasitic". Like the very controversial introduction of the "Energy" mechanic. The only cards that could interact with Energy, were cards that specifically mentioned it. So as soon as they went to design the next set they were faced with the conundrum of either forcing the energy mechanic into the new set, or dropping it entirely, leaving all of the cards with the parasitic mechanic to languish on an island alone as the rest of the game moves on.
I don't know much about Magic the Gathering, but this seems to describe the situation with Minecraft's new features perfectly.
Always refreshing to see a video essay that quickly gets to the point, isn’t ridiculously sensationalist, and doesn’t just feel like the creator fluffing their own ego.
Agreed. The build the earth in minecraft guy sounds like he believes hes god
@@wackyotter1235he also acts like it 😭 idk if you've been a mod in his discord but he treats people like dogs
@@wackyotter1235ofc he feels that way because he's stealing our privacy
@@wackyotter1235 You mean RTGame?
@@loljptrollergami7325:
You mean... he treats mods as servants?!
Wonderfully articulated points! As a builder, copper is a great addition to the game, yet I cannot deny the fact that it damages other systems. I have a lot of criticisms but my biggest gripe with the game right now is its storage and inventory management situation. Its absolutely depressing that I often have to spend more time managing inventories than actually playing the game. Forth saying that I would not be playing the game to this day if not for a bunch of QoL mods. It's as if the developers don't actually play the game they develop.
Why does copper get different treatment than other building blocks just for being an ore. Look at prismarine for example, and all the effort that goes into farming it. In the end it's just nice looking blocks. Copper is super versatile for building, and it blends well with so many colors. The exposed variant goes especially hard. And it's not like copper has no future potential, look how long it took for gold to actually find some use. The system is in place and now it's just time to build upon it.
@@mardy3732 I think the problem I have with it is that I'm comparing copper in Minecraft to real copper. Considering its applications in real life, it's more than a bit disappointing to not see Minecraft reflect the real-world properties of copper.
Honestly, I’d like to see them do something risky like try an update removing copper (or some other item, like honey or mushrooms) entirely, like how early on they experimented with stuff like nether core reactors and stonecutters
I know it wouldn’t be popular, but it works show that the devs are willing to change
@@cara-seyun the Nether Reactor Core was created for Pocket Edition as an alternative to the Nether that wouldn’t make the game much larger (as storage in phones was a bigger deal back then). It was never intended to be permanent, and it was never even considered for the actual Minecraft.
There is not a lot of removed content in Java Edition. Almost all of it was unimplemented, like gears, or only added for testing, like brick pyramids, glass pillars (which marked strongholds, before eyes of ender were implemented). Since the very beginning of Minecraft there have only been a few real features that were removed, like working sponges (reimplemented in 1.8), and some wool colors (then called cloth), aside from the many features that were removed from Indev to Infdev, but were reimplemented in Alpha.
So no, there was never a time where Mojang removed features that were already implemented into the game. They often changed how certain mechanics work, but they didn’t remove them with very few exceptions.
Copper is nice but I don't think we needed 48 separate copper blocks when our inventories still can't hold more than 37 block types. The problems with Minecraft are deep and ancient, and Mojang has no interest in fixing them.
Minecraft, with every update, is moving from simplicity to complexity. This is exemplified by the addition of copper. While complexity isn't necessarily bad, Minecraft feels more bloated because of things like copper not having a lot of uses. If I come across copper when playing Minecraft, or other blocks such as deep slate/cobbled deep slate, etc. that have no actual use to me, it's disappointing. Mining used to be enjoyable and exciting because of the rarity of finding something new. Now, these extra additions that don't have many functional uses make mining tedious and disappointing, even with the addition of the Caves and Cliffs update. I hope to see more uses for copper, along with other blocks, added in further Minecraft updates. Another great video!
I really want mojang to figure out bundles, I feel like they could solve a lot of the problems that come with adding so many blocks. They were announced like 3 years ago and still haven't seen the light of day.
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I feel like you disproved your first claim in the second part of your paragraph. If you find an ore with little uses that isn't exciting, and you wish that there were more additions for existing things, creating more options, isn't that pretty much that you want more complexity and depth?
@@Foreck I have nothing against complexity and depth. Like I said, it's not a bad thing. It's just that the "complexity" that's been added is just clutter to the game. Copper doesn't add much to game play at the end of the day. If it had more uses, this would add to the complexity and make it more useful AND exciting to find. Tldr, complexity isn't bad, Mojang just isn't doing it right.
There's nothing wrong with having a lot of building blocks. I think Minecraft builders were really glad copper was added, I see it being used all the time.
A major issue with updates in general and the disappointment people are feeling comes from the Caves and Cliffs update. All together, that update was one of if not the best updates to the game. The problem was the splitting into multiple parts. Players would get smaller portions of what was to come, get bored after a few months, and get the next part. Imagine if you had been waiting like 2 years for an update and finally get all of the stuff the 3 parts had to offer. So much more fun.
The dissapointment comes from a chain of disappointments, not a single event. In the beginning, when Caves and Cliffs was delayed, not many were mad, a rushed update is worse than a delayed one. Most of the hate started when fireflies were cancelled.
Also, I think if Mojang actually embrased the system-based game design concept, slow updates wouldn't be a problem for people. If mojang could add a little to the existing systems of the game like redstone or combat, it would make the game far more replayable than if they added content which were disconnected from the system.
not only that, they promised a HUGE update, only to deliver it in parts like a year late - missing half the good features they promised just so we occasionally see one of them 3 updates later. they overpromised and underdelivered, and now are recycling those promises into a shield against criticism even though they werent properly thought out in the first place.
A server I help run has been on 1.16 for the past few years, and we are only now updating it to 1.20. We're a small closed community, but everyone is excited for the jump, and it will feel more like the full Caves and Cliffs update that was promised because so much will be changing in one shot. I really wish everyone could have experienced it this way, even though that would have meant delaying the update a couple years... then again, Minecraft has gone longer between updates before, so it wouldn;t have been the end of the world and I think it probably would have been better overall for the community. I just hope Mojang learned from the mistake and makes better decisions in the future.
@@distendedmist5840 ugh, don't get me started about the fireflies .-. I mean yeh, frogs cant eat them. But why remove them entirely?? And okay, having them as individual mobs may cause lag. But why not make a "firefly nest" block or a "Fire flower" or something that emits "Firefly particles" in the exact same way the Spore Blossom works? The solutions were such low hanging fruit, it makes no sense that they just threw their hands up in the air and canceled them entirely .-.
my main problem is that Mojang doesn't add hardly anything and the modding community is massive. why don't they just outsource or add vanilla friendly mods as content while compensating the modders. I would love to see things like Terralith potentially added
because they want YOU to pay for the mods. not to have to pay the modders themselves. bedrock being their way of getting that. java is the "misbehaving child" because of the freedom we have over it, and so they neglect it more.
It'd definitely have to be a careful selection, but it could have potential. Things that naturally interconnect with Minecraft's progression and systems would be needed, or something that connects vanilla blocks, mobs, and items further.
I think because it would turn into marketplace.
how so?@@Jesus-qv5sw
Playing a little Devil's Advocate here; How do you feel about Lapis?
For the longest time, Lapis only ever had one real use: Being Blue. You had lapis blicks and blue dye. And that was it.
Enchanting has been its only real addition that added a use for it, aside from the handful of uses for blue dye.
The question I pose is this:
Is Lapis successfully integrated into Minecraft's systems? If yes, does it give us any insight into how to treat copper? If no, what other ways can we improve both items to be better integrated?
One idea I could say is not just Lapis alone, but let's include the dyes by extension. Let's allow further customization of the ornamental pots and jars by allowing players to color them. Historically, Lapis Lazuli was used as a color pigment and there are some artifacts that does show it.
For copper - someone have mentioned it somewhere in the comments. Allow it to be used in Smithing to give way to gear that's the in-between the default Gold-Iron-Diamond tiers. With Rose Gold items filling the spot between Gold and Iron and Bronze as the in-between set of gears for Iron and Diamond.
Also, could have been nice if the vote mobs were added even after the voting period on later patches. *cough*Copper Golem*cough*
yes for lapis, which tells us 1 or 2 more uses for copper would be good, also more uses of lapis isn't a bad idea either
Yeah lapis sucked butt when it became a ting first and is still barely integrated but it could justify it's existence better with less use on the older versions because there was just so less variety in general that borderline useless new block was actually cool regardless if you like blue.
it was added before minecraft devs really knew where the game was going
unlike copper lapis has a use in enchanting something very important to the core minecraft gameplay
@@somo4227 in general they have done a bad idea of using items in multiple ways. a jewelry crafting system for offbeat bonuses would be a good addition
my personal favorite suggestion on what to do with copper is allow it to be combined with gold in a smithing table to make rose gold. It would have the mining speed from gold with upgraded durability, but still less than iron. It creates a tier between iron and diamond, reflects how rose gold is made in real life, and connects it back into the other systems of the game.
This could very easily be implemented into smithing tables, similar to netherite
Isnt this Tinker's Construct basically.
Another thing I got to pick up from mods is to allow the copper ingots be converted into copper dust and when used with iron (we don't have tin ores) to create Bronze ingots for crafting Bronze gear - the in-between tier for Diamond and Iron... and getting a Bronze Shield is a nice upgrade to a Wooden Shield.
@@frostbitex23 Is there a need for a sub-iron tier though? Iron can be found within ten minutes of starting the game, bronze would become leather 2.0.
Generally bronze is not sub-iron in mods, it's above iron. Like a half-tier upgrade to iron.@@hurrdurrmurrgurr
You have successfully converted my grievances with minecraft to coherent text, good job!
This is actually what's wrong with many mods for Minecraft (e.g. various "industrial" additions): they tend to create their own systems and tie into existing ones very loosely. Like they're their own mini games inside main game and often they feel like cheating rather than enriching the base game.
strong interconnection is the key to success here.
This is why I dont usually play mods. I dont want to play a different game inside of minecraft. I want to play minecraft. If the mod doesnt enrich minecraft and just adds a separate system that has nothing to do with minecraft, I dont want it.
THANK YOU, you perfectly described why I prefer vanilla over modded
While I prefer modded over vanilla all those machine mods struggle to justify their existence. They introduce a bunch of machines with the promise of making minecraft more convenient but in the time it takes to finish them you could already have a bunch of redstone and mob farms doing a better job since the existing mechanics don't care about power and fuel like machine mods do.
@@Whatamidoing813 I never put it into words but oh my, that's exactly why I never got into mods!
I actually like the industrial mods, because all these "farms" people make in vanilla feel very unnatural and also exploit-y, not to mention they require you to either learn all the systems/mechanics of vanilla mc to the limit of their depth, or copy someone else's build, former of which is quite obtuse for the average player i'd think, so I'd rather have one machine designed for the purpose instead of figuring out how to break the game into giving you more or copy a huge build that takes up a lot of work and resources to build, and not being sure how it even works.
That said, the machines and the results of their work do need to tie into other systems to be fun and useful, just as this video demonstrated.
Which is why i usually play with mods that extend upon the base set by the machines of industrial mods, especially ones with good progression, like the Techguns mod, which i absolutely adore.
(Also please someone recommend me a spiritual successor to Techguns, the mod was abandoned at 1.12.2 and i desperately need more of it)
What if they add in copper wire? It could allow for the current to travel farther than redstone, allow currents to go up vertically, and maybe throw in some new machines with the update. Keeping its occurrence lower than redstone would make it so that redstone is still popular, while also allowing copper to have a place, especially if there is a converter box for redstone to copper or vice versa.
Good idea actually. Redstone would still have it's uses in a lot of crafting recipes so it would still be worth it to mine both.
I've had this dumb idea that they could make copper covered redstone which allows it to be moved without being destroyed and works underwater
Admittedly, then the problem is "Redstone is useless, just use Copper, it's just Redstone But Better" :V
You just kinda put the boot on the other foot then, now one is INCREDIBLY useful, and the other has a few crafting recipes and little else.
@@higueraft571 but the idea is that copper gets less common so that it's still viable to use redstone (or both together). It's also not just "a few crafting recipes", it's everything redstone: comparators, repeaters, target blocks, observers, pistons, droppers, redstone torches, dispensers, redstone blocks, lamps... (also alchemy and decoration)
@@tomb.524 Most of those use 1-2 at most, while you get piles per ore. Stacks and stacks of Redstone blocks even.
As for "less common", it's ALREADY common, and if it wasnt...
You could just build a Drowned farm or such and instantly have an infinite supply of Copper.
Or someone who wants to do "redstone" will just mine said Copper anyways.
Redstone, once again, becomes the absurdly common ore with little real use :V
Kind of like Lapis, except that at least isnt a "an item that does everything this does but better exists" scenario.
Here's an idea I've had for copper for a while - Give the player the ability to make copper golems that can be commanded/programmed and given gear. They could operate workstations. With these characteristics they could expand automation to things like mining, farming, defending areas, tree harvesting, operating redstone machines, item transport, etc. These capabilities would allow redstoners and system builders to save space and material, allowing room for more complex and even more amazing capabilities. It would also make a lot of in game tasks less monotonous and grindy depending on how well versed the player is in dealing with copper golems. Huge opportunity there.
copper armor also, but the time you can make lether armor you already have enough iron for iron amror
Cough "create mod" cough
@@titanking8403everything could be fixed with mods, but this is not the point of this video, kid
I've never heard minecraft explained from the interconnected systems perspective. Really great way to look at features! Thanks for the quality content
Using copper to make wire would be cool, basically redstone that can travel in every direction
I think one addition that would make copper more useful is to allow copper ingots to be combined with gold tools on a smithing table to make copper plated tools that have the fast speed and enchantability of gold tools, but the same durability and power as iron. This also would tie in well with the nether update, since copper armor would appease Piglins while providing protection on level with iron.
That map of systems at 3:03 makes me want to see a map of all of minecraft's systems. Man, that must be huge and messy.
I think a map like that would show how interconnected old features are, and why it's important to tie new features into at least two if not three older systems. If I had to make a reccomendation to Mojang, I'd say to tie into at least one system that is commonly used, and either another commonly used system, or two rarely used systems.
Wanna make one?
@@obee7423 I feel like this wouldn't even be graphable in 3d space because it would be a huge mess. Everything has interactions with anything even something stupid like coarse dirt has interactions with tools and connects to flint & steel
I think a crafting recipe with copper and netherrack to make a block that burns green would be a cool feature. No it would not do much to interconnect copper with the other systems, but it'd still be a neat addition.
I feel like villagers were really close to being a whole additional system but they just arent there yet. I hope they do another village update at some point cuz theres big potential there.
it's interesting, because while i dont disagree with the points about systems, i do find myself having issues with examples. because there is plenty that is not majorily connected to a system, any decorative block tends to be just that, sometimes they have extra connections or are put in already existing niches (any new wood types or tree types tend to not bring in new systems or new connections, most flora doesnt either, a good chunk of decoration blocks dont have any special interactions, and i think that is fine)
the only odd thing about copper specifically is that it takes seat as an ore, but is primilaly decorative, which is different from other ores as they kinda suck as decoration
i also disagree that the "root problem" wont be solved by adding more in the future, the "root problem" is that copper does not have enough systems to interact with to make interesting, if more systems are added then that is solved no? (honestly i dont even fully agree with copper being uninteresting, it's great decoration and it has some interesting stuff with the oxidation)
I feel like you're a fellow builder with that perspective xd
Finally youtube is recommending me videos from small channels that I actually want to watch. Great video. Your "guidelines" for future additions encapsulate everything I want out of the game
Smithing templates are a great example of a new addition that works with multiple existing systems. They’re used for the netherite upgrade system. They provide cosmetic customizations. They incentivize exploring, and even tie into the new archaeology system.
Lately it feels like Mojang is putting a lot of thought into adding depth to their content. I’ve had the most fun exploring since 2014 because of the addition of better terrain generation plus armor trims.
Copper Golems would have made a nice addition for Copper, but players ignored the fact that Mojang would add a button specific to Copper and that Copper Golems would only be able to press that button, and bing bada boom, a phobia of pressing other buttons (yes, a literal phobia) meant we got the Allay instead, and their search radius of one chunk is so small that they're not all that effective in their intended purpose. Allays represent another weak addition to the game: Even though they add some much-needed lore to the Illagers and the Vexes, they don't really see much use aside from farms and excavation projects. Their original, stated purpose - to help sort unstackable items - isn't used as much as these other two when it comes down to the average player. The trailer didn't do them any favors, either, making it seem like they'd guide you to where you can get the item you give them when this isn't even in the game. I don't know if you've done a video on this, but maybe analyzing how the trailers mislead people could be a good topic.
Or how the entire voting system is just awful in general. Phantoms got added after 700 people on Twitter picked it. Glow squids because the most infamous Minecraft TH-camr liked them. Allays because everything in that vote was mid
They are actually pretty useful to sort nonstackable tbh
Though I think the phantom is a huge mistake, and every other mob vote has been pretty bad.
I still stand by the allay being generally more useful than the copper golem would have been, based on just trailer information
Maybe the copper golem could've been made into something more than a glorified randomizer, but we'll never know
Honestly I don’t think it was some button-phobia that prevented the copper golem winning, the main reason was the golem was pure novelty. Using for any kind of randomizer would be big, bloated, and require constant cleaning of the golem to rid it of oxidization. Using its de-powered oxidized form as decoration? It’s the perfect decor until it gets struck by lightning and walks off.
It essentially was pointless, and while the allay wasn’t all that great either, it atleast introduced a new mechanic that we didn’t have prior.
Really most, if not all the mob vote mobs feel bland and pointless, it honestly feels like sifting through garbage trying to find something edible
This is an amazing video. I agree with a lot of points here. Well made.
thank you!
Been playing 1.8.9 for the past 3 years, never missed any 1.16+ features
Most things post 1.16, except 1.18 are forgettable at best. To be honest, I can't really even say what 1.17 or 1.19 added off the top of my head.
1.17, 1.18, and 1.19 just feel like one update stretched out over three years.
@@wildwyatxbox Wdym, between those updates there were only 2 years.
Great video, really summarises the main problems with the game at the moment
I feel like the majority of the recent updates have felt cosmetic and unimportant. Stuff like netherite sculk and the cherry biome are good additions cause they tie into the systems you mentioned but stuff like archeology frogs and copper just feel useless and not worth the time
cherry biome doesnt really do anything does it? i thought it was just cosmetic
Frogs are cool cause you can use them to farm froglights, I think that makes them part of the system as much as most other mobs
Find bastion, find frogs, bring the two together and boom you kinda have a whole new thing
I think one of the most important problems is that similar systems / items do not have similar actions, for instance copper and netherite are not used the same way as the other metals & materials. the new azalea and mangrove trees have unique saplings, which are cool, but the saplings of the older trees are unchanged. the nether trees just grow from small mushrooms, similar to large mushrooms in the overworld, but do not drop their own mushrooms/saplings. Its unintuitive and makes new additions feel disconnected. Each tree could have their own sapling variant, and method of aquiring this sapling, but the block that makes the sapling should be obvious, unlike azalea and it should be able to be aquired from the tree, unlike the nether trees. I would also say that blocks with GUIs tend to be quite inconsistent too, and I feel this needs less examples.
To sum it up, its the irregularity of how new features are interacted with within the world, how how far it interacts with other features, that is mostly responsible for new features not fitting in.
Great point
I wish they’d go back to the trailers being real gameplay
I think another great example are bees! It took Mojang a few updates but bees and associated loot from them mow fit well into a few different systems.
i didn't know bees got changed really after release
really good video. a lot of the newer features minecraft has included has felt like filler/bloat and I think that their separation from the existing systems is a big part of that.
I wonder if there's been a change in design philosophy over the years.
Great work on this, you explained it very succinctly
new design philosopy is called design some cute and useless mobs to sell merch
Great video! I think that the system that needs the most improvement is the end battle. It's been the same for 10 years. Recently, Mojang isn't adding any bosses or difficult battles to the game (even though they added the Warden, it doesn't have a good lot). The dimensions also need improvement. The overworld has way more features than the nether and the end, and the last 4 updates were all focused in the overworld.
The end battle doesn’t need to change, the end does though
The nether is fine since 1.16 it's still a risky place for me. Though end is just painly boring and getting an elytra in a crowded server is agonizing
the end battle got changed in 1.9
I'd guess that the end battle will change in the update *after* the combat update, whenever that is. I doubt they'd do it before the combat update (Especially because they have years of updates planned out in addvance)
I think making so you can use the dragon for tipped arrows was a cool use of the end tbh. The actual fight does feel uninteresting tho
But I agree that generally most of the end feels like isolated things that don't fit into systems. If we review what we have:
- Endermen are basically useless mobs and ender pearls while they used to be useful for transportation are kinda useless now because of elytra
- Elytra have no reason for their existence lore wise
- What is an ender mite? That doesn't fit into anything lore wise and is useless beyond its interaction with endermen
- Lack of interaction between the end mobs makes me wonder why they're all there together
- Who made end cities? Who inhabits them? Is it the endermen?
It's kind of a shame because I think you could do so much with what we already have but right now it's just a bunch of stuff thrown in the same place
The first thing to do would be for the Dragon to drop Elytra wings upon death, I think that immediately explains their presence lore wise and also would make it renewable but difficult to get
Always felt weird to me that endermen don't have particular interactions with the ender dragon since on my first playthrough I kinda assumed lore wise that endermen would come from the dragon or worship the dragon in some way. The "Free the end" advancement always points to there being more lore wise than we get, like maybe the endermen are under the ender dragon's control or smt.
I think that could be used during the ender dragon fight. For now the fight is kinda easy because the dragon is super vulnerable during its perching phase, but maybe during its perching phase it could send endermen after you. That sounds super difficult so I think a more reasonable solution would be for the ender dragon to spawn endermite while perching which would attack you, this is kind of similar to how a lot of bosses in other games work. Endermen wouldn't be angered by mites at this stage because they're under the dragon's influence, only once you've freed the end would they then be aggressive towards ender mites since they're scared of the dragon coming back, I think that makes a lot of sense lore wise as it makes it so the dragon is kinda like the mite queen similar to how bees work, and ender mites are worker bees.
If we continue from the thought that there's some manipulation being done by the ender dragon, we can harness that power for the player and fit it into other systems of the game. Here's a potential solution: we could use dragon breath and eyes of ender to make lingering potion of hypnosis and hypnosis tipped arrows. This would make any affected mob follow the player the same way a sheep follows you when you hold wheat. I think this would be tremendously useful for moving villagers and shulkers
Also dragon heads are wildly available and do nothing, we know that they interact with redstone by chewing so maybe you could throw chorus fruits in there to break them apart and it makes a linger the same way dragon fireballs or lingering potion does. That way you can acquire dragon breath without reviving the dragon.
There's a lot that can be done with what already exists that could add to the lore of the end imo
Also I would love to be able to craft snow falling boots similar to how a turtle shell allows water breathing, but in general I've always liked the idea of having diverging path for armor instead of having a god armor. On top of turtle shell you could have a highly dense armor as well so you can walk on the bottom of water like it was normal ground similar to how hippos do (you kinda have a jump boost tho) and you could have like warden antenas that you can craft into a helmet which highlights mobs that you can hear through walls etc...
I've been saying all this for a while now, only not as cleanly and concisely as in your video, so really great job on that. and this has been a reoccurring problem for a lot longer then most realize. when Mojang wanted to add honeyblocks, they initially only wanted to add the slow, sliding, and no jump interactions, which is useful in adventure and parkour maps, but has few to no use cases in other systems, as you call them. only after begging from the redstone community they added interaction with slimeblocks, which makes them extremely useful now, but it was never the original intention. same with target blocks, the interaction with arrows is extremely niche, and for most cases where you need arrow detection you can just use a button or pressure plate. again, something that's maybe useful for adventure maps, but has almost no uses outside of that. and again, it got saved by redstone interaction, but this was again just an afterthought by the devs. however, I think the most egregious offender currently has to be the sniffer. yea sure it's a cute mob, but think about it for a second. first you have to go out of your way and explore and get lucky with the brush to find an egg. then you need to hatch it. then you wait until the mob grows up. then wait until it finally starts sniffing for items. and what do you get after all that spend time? a couple decorative plants, with no other use cases then being decorative. don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with purely decorative items, but you gotta wonder how many people are gonna spend all that time and energy pursuing what are basically useless items outside of being decorative. why not add them to the potion system? or give them some other unique properties that other plants don't have? something to make people care other then just looking pretty, a reason to spawn a sniffer more then once before people get bored of the concept. and you're seeing it happen already, once the hype was over, and now that the sniffer finally got added into the game, you hear almost nothing about it anymore. Mojang does a lot of good, and overall I've been positive about the last couple updates (except chat reporting, but that's another issue entirely), but like you said, they really need to focus more on expanding on, and integrating the new things into, the systems that are already there. and I really hope they will, but looking at the latest pre-release, it's not looking good
I'd recommend you check out the beta 1.7.3 mod Better than Adventure. It solves your issues with both atmosphere and unimportant features, as it's focused on keeping Minecraft feeling lonely, and each addition is focused on providing an interesting new feature, even adding new uses to less useful items, such as gold tools acting similarly to silk touch (due to enchanting not being in the version it's based on) and the trommel, a block that can sift through blocks like dirt and sand to get more useful materials like flint.
Excellent video, and well said. I personally think the updates are too frequent, leading to shallow and sporadic features that don’t interlock with other systems. I think it would be better to have fewer, larger updates that can substantially advance existing systems. I find many modern games have this problem, such as most Paradox games, with incessant, often trivial DLC.
This is a rather thoughtful video. I think another thing thing that sets Minecraft that wasn’t directly discussed here apart is how player action can implicitly or explicitly create a story. I think some additions to the game have been trying to improve that (hence the trails and *tales* update), but it could be argued that additions that fit into Minecraft’s gameplay systems would also improve its emergent narrative potential
This video does a great job articulating why every new thing added to Minecraft gets me to say "oh that's cool" and then immediately forget about it. Every new interaction feels like a just-so dead end
I've had a gut feeling ever since copper was introduced that mojang was thinking about the long term when they added it. I think eventually they'll give it more uses other than just being a building block like it is now. Back when redstone and pistons were added, everyone said it was like the were turning vanilla minecraft into modded. It's not out of the realm of possibility that eventually they'll add even more machinery type blocks and in a few years we could end up with a bunch of parts of the Create mod in the vanilla game.
This is such a well made video. You reallt have a way or understanding and explaining these ideas i didnt even think about existing. The systems based game makes so much sense now, i was never able to put my finger on what made the game so different. Also radom question, but this good insight makes me wonder, are you in game development? If not i think you could do well. Love the video ❤
Very nice, well communicated video.
I still myself hold the current game balance is bad for server communities (specializations are not evenly distributed), but am also glad to see such balanced well communicated arguments in the other direction.
I also feel like The new updates only gave us the bear minimums when it comes to new systems. Copper gave us copper blocks and 2 recipes, the caves update gave us some awesome new terrain generation but the new caves were again 2 new types. The sniffer gave us 2 new flowers. Other systems are so fleshed out with different items. We got so many potions for brewing, a whole bunch of crops for farming, so many different biomes, yet the new systems always seem to give us two of each new thing. Which is just one item above adding an item instead of a system, but it ends up feeling like neither.
You make very good and nuanced points that I think get to the root of the lot of these issues. You've quite the mind for problem analysis!
I would love to see Minecraft move in this direction, thanks for articulting somthing I've had trouble putting into words for a while. Always a joy to hear your thoughts.
i like this video
i've always felt a lot of the new additions felt off but couldn't really say why
i think this video has helped me understand what i was thinking
i've always kinda thought the problem was that there was all this new stuff but it never built to anything big, but now i realise the problem with the new additions was more it just didn't build to anything in the first place.
Although i still think that maybe adding more big & difficult things to do that are more complex would benefit the game, things that provide more long term goals to the game. I'm not sure what would fit into minecraft all that well tbh but just something other than beat the ender dragon & get full netherite would be interesting because of how once you've done those 2 things there's nothing that requires a lot of effort to work towards doing aside from build.
I wonder how mods fit into this context. I am playing all the mods 7 at the moment. 250+ mods. Everything seems to have a purpose, machines that make materials but I bet allot is waste too... Are there mods that would be perfect additions to the game? To me that would me journy map and vein miner for example.
I've actually tried to fix a similar issue to this on my own in my singleplayer world, I just straight up stopped using elytra.
The Elytra in the game are another example of a feature that just steamrolls several other systems in the game, rather than making an item disconnected from the pre-existing systems, it just straight up makes them irrelevant. By not using Elytra, I've already found myself actually getting a horse for the first time in years, along with finding the will to actually make a minecart system! I've begun using boats again, etc. All of these facets of movement that I just stopped touching have all come back and they've given me a chance to engage with the game in a way that makes it feel big again, which is something I've been sorely missing. To compound this, I also personally stopped sprinting. Just to add that little bit of reduced pace to the game.
I started doing this after going back and playing the Better than Adventure pack for the beta version. Modern endgame minecraft is just too fast.
A compromise I use is to simply use my elytra as a glider, without fireworks. That way, I still use boats & my horse over long distances & I still am engaging with the terrain, such as climbing a mountain, before I can glide from its peak.
One thing that frustrates me is the inconsistency with the updates sure spend a full year to rework the entire nether thats fine by me thay makes sense to take so long but spend a year to ad small features that barely even connect to eachother (1.19&1.20) shouldnt take a full year especially when for updates such as 1.19 they already scrapped so much content yet still took a full year for such small editions
Id be more happy if mojang/Microsoft instead either 1 release these as mini updates like what notch did years before or 2 take more time to develop a full proper major update so it doesnt feel like we waited a full year for 4 features
1.19 is a perfect example of this because half the update was just delayed content from 1.18 so we waited a full year for 1 new biome and frogs as the new editions to minecraft
And may i also mention there litterally doing the exact same thing with bundles were gonna have a 1.19 repeat in the near future because mojang couldnt just listen to the community and instead struggles to make what they *think* the community wants instead of what the community actually *wants*
"What the community wants" is an absurd idea. Because not you, not me, not all the people on this channel represent the entire community and Mojang knows it. A lot of the community is unhappy, yes, but for totally different and even conflicting reasons.
they were too busy worrying about chat repotting and other orwellian stuff "oh hbow dare you do things on your 3rd party sever that you hoast that dont line up with what we consider ideal minecraft"
@@ThunderClawShocktrix ikr
Microsoft fr trying to kill there best selling game
@@BrianMerlin and did anyone ask for a mangrove biome? I mean what I see is the community wants a end update or inventory update but no instead we get crappy updates that take a year for 4 features and thier excuse is evoirmental awareness
Is it absurd for the community to not like Eula changes or chat reports or the multiple cut content I mean mojang really scrapped 2 pixels
Also what makes you think I was talking about solely this comment section alone
I mean there's plenty the community wants and hates such as the mob vote many hate it for tearing the community apart and the glow squid fir those reasons and may I add those reasons aren't limited to just this comment section plenty of people hate the mob vote and glow squid there's nothing absurd with criticism
Weren't these recent updates made during a pandemic that shattered the ability to cooperate and refocused priorities?
This is an excellent and nuanced video that really pinpoints where most other Minecraft complaint videos meet. I think you've done a great job at identifying one of the roots of the issue. I really hope this video blows up for you; great work!
a fine way to integrate copper would be to make copper tools, and introduce a set of new, material based enchantments and add level cap nerfs/buffs based on material
Here because of Cubfan. Well done video! Not only are you able to get your ideas across, your editing and style was much more than I’d expect from a smaller channel. Keep it up dude.
This is a video I hope Mojang sees.
This is one of the best Minecraft analysis videos I've seen as of late. It really identifies the core problem of recent Minecraft updates unlike other videos, and it provides some solutions, AND does it all in a concise matter. Props to you!
I would like to see a few more examples of how copper or other features could be integrated into these systems
Here have some examples:
Fluid Dynamics - we could make pipes out of copper which would be an upgrade of hoppers although not replacing them. Pipes would be able to transport fluids, items and small mobs (like Allay or Chickens). It could also have interactions with ender pearls so they actually go through the pipe. Hoppers could be connected to pipes to save immense amounts of iron.
Alchemy - Oxidized copper could be scraped for the oxide layer (or the medieval name version), Verdigris. It could be used as another potion base, these potions instead of being used for status effects they will unlock the world of material transmutation (possible silver which could add even more into alchemy or even tie to End Update because it looks like the Astral Plane)
Electricity - Copper is used for lightning rods so what's stopping mojang from adding electricity. Obviously I don't want to say mojang needs to implement GregTech into vanilla game but it would be nice seeing electric damage, magnets (new compass recipe), or even some redstone integration.
Alloys - Copper could be used to make jewelry (magic update 👀) Possibly even steel which would make better iron tools that will have different properties from netherite. Copper is used heavily in alloying so it would be nice seeing some copper alloys (bronze, brass, hepatizon, rose gold) and each of these would have different uses (Aquatic Gear, Music, Rituals, Aesthetics)
The End - So copper might not seem like a thing that would be connected to the end but it's the oxidized state that could be connected because of that cyan color. End would have some sort of crystal (like amethyst, nether could also have one) which then would be combined to make a tool/weapon/armor that could do some havoc in a Minecraft world (Think Avaritia but toned down a lot)
@@ghoust592I feel like some of those ideas like the electricity, jewellery and alchemy still suffer by being too separate from the base games systems. Stuff like that seems more suited to modded content than an official update
@@mongooseman6707 True, some of those things would have to be toned down (like alchemy) or just be modded content (electricity)
Who would have imagined that a massive corporation taking ownership of the game would ruin the game's soul.
This video essay was excellent. From the start of the video, it was clear that you knew what you were talking about and wouldn't waste any time to fill up space. Unlike other videos that I can listen to and hear exactly what part of the essay they're on (introduction, body paragraph 1,2,3, conclusion), your transitions were seamless, and I was always invested in what you were saying. Everything you said was clear and concise, you never repeated yourself, and it was refreshing for someone to not just shoehorn in big words to sound smart (it sticks out like a sore thumb when people do that). Also, great visual details. All the graphics you used were simple enough to not distract from what you were saying, but also informative and were a great visual aid. I honestly have no critiques and can almost guarantee that your channel will be growing very fast with this level of quality. You earned yourself a subscriber!
Edit: I forgot to say some things!!!
The introduction was full of points I had never heard people mention before and had never even thought of myself. The thesis really hooked me, and the whole section about systems in the game was very informative, and although I already knew you could do stuff like make moss generators, hearing about the numerous systems that work together to make things like that possible really helped me to appreciate it that much more. The music taste was also top-tier. As someone getting into Stevie Wonder and frequently listens to classical and swing, I enjoyed your selection of tracks.
Someone get this guy on the dev team! Seriously, you're eloquence is needed :)
If he's straight and White, they will not hire him over a nonWhite homosexual female
Won't help when the game is design by committee. :-/
Totally agree. Though honestly i think the best improvement would be proper mod integration. The modding community has kept Minecraft afloat for forever so the fact theres no simple way to add mods and avoid incompatibilities is ridiculous
In a game in constant development it is impossible that there are no incompatibilities. And that's not up to Mojang, even if they wanted to it would be impossible to fix. The only way would be that the mods are created considering the others.
An example of a game which manages this well is Vintage Story.
It's a similar voxel game, but it can auto-download and enable mods when joining a modded server, without restarting the client.
What future videos do you plan on making?
Hey Tekqgs, about the video of the structures, they can be easily fixed with a datapack that makes them rarer to find.
I think this might be my favorite video that seeks to identify and correct the flaws in Minecraft's modern design ethos. Don't really have much more to add, it's just really good.
its not that people are picky or they need to satisfy the whole community , its that they add so little and the worst mob is nearly allways picked in mob votes ,
phantom , glow squid , allay , sniffer , all the worst picks
and they refuse to listen to players and hold up to what they built , fireflies? taken out just cause they poison frogs (WHEN WE CAN LITERALY POISON AND KILL PARROTS WITH COOKIES)
they teased a birtch forest rework and then dipped from the idea , they teased so much abt the giant middle of ancient city and they didnt do anything with it
they say 1.20 is the tales and trails update but we didnt get no tales nor trails , just some vases , new blocks and a modified lama
I think the firefly removal was stupid too but I think the issue is that it took away the input of the player. With the parrot example a person needs to physically give the bird a cookie to harm it, whereas with frogs they’d just randomly get poisoned because they chose to eat a firefly which would be annoying if you had a pet frog that kept poisoning itself because it was eating the particles that keep spawning in the biome you’re living in. But the proper thing to do would have been to just make it so frogs don’t eat fireflies.
@@ddevil768 they wouldnt have to be randomly poisoned , like for exmaple making fireflies only in flower biomes or plains , then its just human input , or just basic swamp or mangroove swamp , huma input by leaving em there
"it would be annoying" cats and rabbits being super fast is annoying , not being able to make army of hundreds of dogs is annoying , tons of things are annoying yet they are ingame
tho ye , that would be the proper thing to do , or make it just extremly low chance , or make players able to force feed frogs em like we do with parrots
oh yeah i just realised, minecraft does feel a little bit more missmached than earlier i didn't know why tho
Great analysis. I think Mojang has their priorities mixed up, which has lead to this over-saturation of useless features. Rather than thinking about what could improve the game, then designing new additions around that, the devs seem to just come up with random stuff that might be cool on paper, then in a halfhearted effort to make them "fit in", they assign some basic function that may or may not tangentially relate with the existing systems.
Copper is a great example, like you mentioned, but this has honestly been a problem for a long time now. Bees, for instance, are only really useful for making honey, which happens to be the worst food in the game. You can tell that bees weren't the result of an effort to add more food variety to the game; they just wanted to add bees, and therefore had to come up with any excuse possible to justify their existence.
Once again, great video. Short and to the point!
I’d say bees were way better than copper as they mingled with more systems.
Bees added honey blocks and honeycomb blocks for those who like building, not great but they’re still there. Bees have a pollination system to speed up plant growth so you can add some bees near your farm or build a farm near an existing beehive for a slight passive increase in food for beginners and farms. Bees provide honeyblocks which in combination with slimeblocks were a massive change in redstone, not to mention the beehives themselves interact with comparators and dispensers to add a new redstone automated farm. The honeyblocks have the sticky property which gave an interesting new feature for parkour maps and traps. Then in future updates they made it so you could seal copper with honey to prevent oxidation and use the honeycomb to make candles which is another addition for builders.
Whereas copper is really useful only to builders, the lightning rod can protect villagers in outdoor farms or help hit specific targets with lightning which is ok but could be both be done in easier ways, the spyglass is alright, and they made it so drowned drop copper so you could make a new mob farm which is decent for the farming community but that was really it for copper.
I think copper does a great job at giving more depth to the building system as it’s a block that has four variations of the same texture, which is very useful in gradients and overall texturing.
that is true, though it feel like with how its only use in large amounts is comestic, it has trouble finding use from anything outside of building projects, minecraft has soo many things that honestly fight for the players attention. But Mojang as of late has been adding things that just are not worth the time or resource investment to partake it. so they are ignored.
@@privatepessleneck Well, to me personally the most valuable aspect of a block is its texture, but that’s because I’m more of a building guy. I understand that other types of players would love some new interesting mechanics.
@@Cottor_OwOIf they remove the ability to place radstone dust and add a new recipe using redstone dust and copper to create an electrical wire the copper problem would be fixed.
This works because copper is what’s used in real life for wiring.
@@Cottor_OwO yeah as a building block its honestly very good visually and easy to get a lot of. but other than that, its crafting options are one and done. what it needs is to be used for something that is always useful for players to make, like how iron is the backbone for stuff like rails, hoppers, etc.
this is ignoring the fact that it only adds value to building cosmetics - which only the "building" type of players generally care about. that's not necessarily and issue, for example the different wood colors add a lot of variety in cosmetics but they can also be used interchangeably for crafting. copper does not have that benefit. a similar idea to the wood colors but with ore is seen in terraria, as there are 4 different "iron" ores (iron, tin, lead, tungsten) which can be used interchangeably
This was really helpful as mostly I look at thinks like this and can’t quite put my finger on it. But you really outlined what minecraft needs to improve
I love how the segment that is called "take care" features "Were you Foolin'" by Russ Morgan AKA "Take Care" from Ultrakill
The whole “isolation from adjacent redstone” idea gave me the idea to use copper blocks to mark redstone usage since I have a BUNCHHHH of it (I pretty much just mine it whenever I see it regardless of if I need it or not). Using copper blocks to encapsulate it into a tube could be a pretty creative idea aesthetically as well as to indicate where your redstone is (if it’s underground or hidden)
Great video and hope Mojang does more with copper as well.
Agreed. Copper is a feature that definitely could become something great, it will just take a bit of extra work on Mojang's end.
The verbal delivery and visuals you utilize in these vids are top notch. njnj
thank you very much!
I do dearly love copper simply as a building block and I think it's oxidation mechanic adds a lot of depth and way more building options which is always nice! But I understand why for a player like you that it could be dissatisfying. That being said; I've heard it suggested that they use the oxidation system on the other metal ore blocks. It would add so much
I'd recommend SimplySarc's video on a hypothetical "charge" system for copper. It's a great example of an integrated system like you explained.
another QGS banger
as always
Funny he said "table"
thank you sajjen
This game really betrayed what made it special enough to have grown so big to begin with. If mojang is gonna fix it, they need to understand why past Minecraft thrived as a game with barely anything to do and they’re struggling to keep people happy standing on the shoulders of giants.
One weird idea I have in mind for Copper is to open up the idea of metal alloys. Could have been a nice way to introduce in-between gear via smithing tables - such as Rose Gold items.
Heck, I've seen datapacks that even gave Copper purpose by being used for crafting gear, which is handy if you ended up in a starting spot that doesn't have much iron. Oh well, there goes the idea of Bronze shields.
This is a very well put together video that sums up my own gripes with recent design direction. Awesome stuff!
I really like the presentation of your video essays. Well done. It’s all just very professional and well organized
I always thought it'd be neat if there was a specific station block, that could create completely unique variations of the copper block. I believe it would work pretty well in tandum with the decaying feature, and force people to intentionally decay copper blocks for more color choice.
Mojang shouldn't be afraid of altering existing game mechanics+systems, but after the intense backlash they got after the Combat Update they've been hesitant about doing this and instead have revamped areas that need revamping by exclusively focusing on that area. While this is nice, it's also why the game has become a bit too "bloated" over the years in my opinion. A large amount of blocks, items, and mobs added between 1.17-1.20 only have a single way to get them and a single use. The best example would be, as you've said, copper and its lack of integration with other systems. When a block/mob/feature causes a problem, Mojang will add another block/mob/feature to "fix" the problem instead of actually addressing it directly. I believe this is why updates other than 1.13, 1.14, and 1.16 have been incredibly hit-or-miss.
As an almost entirely creative builder, I liked copper. It sort of felt like there was an acknowledgement of my type of players.
That said, I think the biggest problem is Microsoft. Microsoft gobbles up game studios like Disney gobbles up media studios. They use this for control and to artificially prop up their earnings while systematically destroying everything. They don't want to make better games or better media, they want to be one of the few, if possible only, source of games or media without any regard to making a viable product.
If we want games and media to improve, we have to force anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws on companies like Microsoft so they cannot purchase or even influence studios like Mojang in the first place. Otherwise, they will always lean into the paint-by-numbers, corporate homogeneity system of ticking boxes and relying on massive populations of consumers (i.e.; 8 billion people on the planet makes selling X units easier than when there was 2 billion people on the planet and only 400 million of them were in markets you could sell things in) rather than actually earned consumers.
30 years ago, you had to work hard, make an optimized and fantastic game to eke out the 25,000 copies to keep your studio afloat. Today, random garbage can be put out, sell 500,000 copies in a month. Smartphones make that effect even worse. Then you consider a game like minecraft with 50 bajillion purchases? Microsoft/Mojang have absolutely no reason to make the game better, it has achieved critical mass and will keep selling more units than it needs to to stay viable financially regardless of their choices. All they need to do is do any random thing to drive baseline interest.
i completely disagree, i feel like builders already get a lot of "acknowledgement" because its a lot easier for them to add decorative blocks that dont do anything. As far as I know microsoft hasnt dont much in regards to the game development. I think the only things theyve pushed are the other bad features like bedrock edition, account migration and the godawful marketplace. AFAIK theyre in it for the money, but mojang are still mostly in charge of how the game is made.
@@DodgeThatAttacki believe that minecraft would be a better experience for everyone if they didnt push for the annoying everyone can play with everyone bullshit.
Making all the versions of minecraft work together is an impossible and tedious task that leads to every version feel limited to their potential either through software issues or hardware issues.
@@helmenhjelmen1955 yeah I find it kinda annoying. I appreciate the sentiment of crossplay, but mobile is really pushing the line for gameplay limitations.
Its especially bad if they try to have parity between the 2 versions, but only sometimes.
like mojang really needs to come to a decision regarding combat and just stick to it. I would suggest old combat since thats what all the servers use anyway.
trying to create features for every player is definitely hurting the development process, especially because bedrock is so bad (talking as a bedrock player myself)
@@DodgeThatAttack my suggestion is a combat-oriented command system
/CombatRule: weapon cooldown= normal/Decreased/off
/CombatRule: weapon lenght= on/off
/CombatRule: reset to default
/CombatRule: reset to old school
not exactly like this above but something kinda similar would be great i think. im personally someone who hated the old combat and was happy with the one we got in 1.9. dream and other youtuber popularized the modern combat too so people will hate to loose it.
I think java should be developed seperate to bedrock or perhaps just give us a final java update with a supperior launcher along with a proper mod API and discontinue it afterwards. that way everyone could boot up and create their own mod packs through the official launcher similar to what steam does with the workshop.
One of the best and clear to the point analyses I've seen for Minecraft. Usally I walk about from a video like this was some critique but man you nailed it!
Copper exists as a feature that raises up existing mods. So, so many mods implemented their own copper before Minecraft released their page. I was once playing with a Modpack that had three different modded copper ores. Having that feature in vanilla Minecraft is a major plus.
As for what feature I think it should add, I think Pet Armor seems like a pretty fitting use for it
There's been a mod for several years that fixes the problem of duplicate ores.
@@PlatinumAltaria yep, but now mods that incorporate copper don't need to have their own, they can just use the vanilla copper
The copper example was literally my exact thoughts on the matter.
I'm not even like other people that want an armor set and normal tools. I just want something special from it that fits the game and makes it useable with other tools. Like a hammer that is made with copper and can deal AoE damage to mobs and have its own enchants. Or a singular armour piece that trades protection for a buff that is applied in certain situations.
I personally liked 1.20.1 just because of the lightning system engine revamp, if they did more stuff like this, leaning towards quality of life, performance, and playability i think it would relate to much better updates
Didn't redstone and testificates not have a purpose in minecraft for a long time at it's conception. Every update kind of implements something useless at the start. But over time with each update decides to built on to it.
It's honestly not a big deal if copper has no purpose to begin with as you make it out to be.
Quartz is the most comparable thing to copper, on release both;
Had decorative blocks
2 uses outside of decoration.
The difference?
Daylight sensors and comparators. Two very useful blocks, one of which you will likely need a lot of due to comparators being used in a lot of redstone contraptions.
What did copper get?
Spyglass and lightning rod.
Lightning rods aren't all that useful for ANYTHING but preventing lightning from clapping villagers, pigs and your wood house (they dont oxidize so they aren't as cool as other copper blocks for building) They are a defensive item that is pretty niche and prevents already unlikely scenarios.
Spyglasses are a one time craft, usefulness is debatable, but with resource packs it does have novelty due to "WHAT." packs
Quartz very strongly made it's debut, giving more reason to go to the nether, and rewarding you with either very nice white blocks to build with, OR insanely powerful redstone components.
Copper has none of this, and has gotten none of this. Brushes are a 1-4~ time craft depending on luck, then you're done with archaeology and no longer need a brush for the rest of your playthrough. Copper's only general use is as a building block, a nice one sure, but it has no walls, no stairs or slabs for the base block or buttons for detail/redstone.
Forgot to mention, quartz also continued to get useful uses. Observers being one of them, yet another revolutionary block. I forget what else quartz got, it can be used for granite, diorite and andesite 'transmutation', though nobody uses that it IS there.
Copper needs something to make the extreme abundance worth it.
@willydonka1041 spyglass is actually beyond useless on bedrock since you cant even see most things that far away, and because of the voxel style, everything you need to know can usually be discerned from a distance without wasting an inventory slot on a glorified low FOV
lightning rods are kinda cool for lightning-related interactions, but are already too late because of channelling tridents coming first and being way more consistent
Quartz also has a few features that make it better than copper by default
1) was basically the nether exclusive ore, forcing you to interact with the nether as a whole
2) gives lots of XP, making it a high risk high reward option as the logical next step in enchanting after getting diamonds for an enchanting table and portal
copper just kinda exists in place of iron and by itself has little value that couldnt just be replaced with iron.
personally I think the weathering mechanic is pretty cool and the only real value copper brings, which is a shame that It is strictly limited to changing the colour of itself. theres no other interaction than to use wax to not have that mechanic.
@@willydonka1041 daylight sensors were absolutely not a "very useful block", they get rarely used even after they've been updated to be able to do more
lightning rods have more uses beyond just protection as hitting them with a channeling trident always causes lightning, that has uses and ive honestly seen more of that than daylight sensor
you may be right to say they are comparable, but the way you compared them was very lobsided, they're not that different. quartz had one useful block and a useless one, copper has semi useful block and two semi useful items, people rarely go out of their way to collect either unless they are building with it, despite being very abundant
if you wanted an actual difference to make it seem like quartz is better, the ore gives more xp, couldve said that instead of contradicting yourself and pretending the daylight sensor is good
I dont even bother with vanilla anymore. Ive been there, done that, fifty times. Vanilla is always the same progression for me: spawn, find village, build breeder, build iron farm, build melon&pumpkin farm, build trading hall all while mining as little as possible and quit after 2 weeks. Modpacks are the only things that interest me anymore because there is simply way more progression to go through. They allow me to ‘skip’ the things i find more annoying like mining and let me focus on the things i enjoy like making farms that actually have a good use. In vanilla, once you get a simple mob grinder and an iron and gold farm, you basically have the resources to ‘beat’ the entire game. In modded, that simple farm has to be upgraded by for example crafting an item that require you to get into another mod and beat its boss because the farm needs more output. This is better than vanillas system of just ‘build bigger farm’.
copper was always to me the same thing as steel
an ore used in modded minecraft that specialized on one thing
This video brought up a lot of points I wouldn’t have thought of, and explained them in a way I could understand. Really cool!
This is why I love beta 1.7.3. It's simple, yet complex. It has plenty to do without adding pointless things. If I feel like playing modern versions, I would just play 1.16.5. Those are two of the best versions of the game in my opinion.
The only thing I like about the addition of copper is that it prevents 50 different types of copper being added to my mod packs
As someone who plays a lot of modded minecraft, most vanilla updates feel a lot like mods - some good, some bad, but here's the thing:
If there was a mod that wasn't very enjoyable, you either individually disable it or else it isn't popular and not included in modpacks and servers or, finally, the developers aren't motivated to support it and nobody else picks it up/remakes it either and it stays stuck in an old version that nobody plays or is simply forever buggy and has other issues.
Vanilla minecraft or, as I'll call it, "The vanilla mod" completely skips the first parts and just _has_ to update everything that has been ever made, regardless of (X) enjoyability, (X) popularity, (X) developers' motivation (X) how hard it actually is to address issues. Hardly anything is ever _removed_ from vanilla. Last of all, you _can_ play older versions _but_ there's a lot of problems with that, an undeniable one being: you're also reverting bug fixes and other issues that have been addressed, including engine capabilities.
Essentially, **you cannot disable the vanilla mod** or any part of it without running into major problems. Mods have a LOT more granularity here and often require only one dependency that has content (and isn't just a library/technical engine thing) or none at all. On TOP of that, most mods have ridiculously detailed configuration files. Now, I'm not saying you should fiddle with those - it's a lot more worthwhile to just have a preconfigured modpack - but what I _am_ saying is that mods get locked into bad pathways a lot less, from my experience.
There used to be so many mods that add "adamantite" and every single tool and weapon with it ("it's better than diamond!") but if it wasn't well-integrated, it got drawn out and forgotten. Feels like Minecraft has a bunch of it's own "adamantites" that only get fixed up in weird ways without addressing the real problems and the number of these adamantites only grows, never shrinks.
Minecraft updates went from "Oh yeah here's an entirely revamped nether/caves" to "Here's one niche, nearly useless block. We're destroying the community with stuff like chat reporting. Why isnt everyone having fun?" in a short span of time, update-wise.
As said in the video, copper just seems like bloatware. An ore which does nothing besides being used in crafting very few items, all very niche.
ye the chat reporitng is killing it
chat reporting is the least of the issues with new updates, having chat reporting is far overdue for this game I think. I agree that useless/disconnected additions are the major issue with new updates though
@@alyx1a I imagine we still agree to disagree that recent updates have lowered in quality.
6min of “Copper sucks here’s why” and I love it! Extreme family friendliness, lack of care, ignored community are not mentioned in this video though.
TBF, copper wasn't the first item got added into the game without much of purpose.
Back then when they first added Iron Nugget around 1.12.2, that item was useless up until 1.14 (roughly 2 years)
Idea make so you can combine a spyglass with a cross bow to get better zoom
Very well articulated. It's sad, knowing that design priorities like these are no longer thought of as important inside Mojang. We've arrived at - and passed - the peak, now the only hope we have of reaching a more satisfying gameplay loop is at the hands of a different developer.
I feel that saying we passed the peak is disingenuous. Minecraft isn't a lost cause, there have just been a couple trips along the way. Even with some lackluster additions recently (among many great additions), Minecraft is still an amazing game; mojang just needs to reset their footing.
@@tekqgs It's not beyond saving, in fact the game is really in great shape, and course-correcting would be relatively easy.
But Microsoft won't do it. Development is focused on RoI now, Notch is gone, any additions or changes made are made with the express purpose of broadening the demographic as much as possible, at any cost. It's an ugly truth of the system we live under. But it doesn't mean there won't be other passion projects down the line.
@@gumgrapes ehhhh... I think you're overestimating the role that Microsoft has in development. Sure maybe for the monetization things on bedrock (the main way that modders can make money) and different censorship-ish things (keep them out of legal trouble) that they have been doing recently, but when it comes to the actual game's design it is entirely in the hands of mojang. Broadening the demographic isn't a problem either, it could actually be a good thing. Mojang just needs to be able to support all types of players that play the game.
Also Notch stepped down as lead designer in 2011, so him being gone is irrelevant.
Microsoft is destroying. Minecraft
I've always wondered why the newest updates always felt like what massive modpacks felt like. I think your points finally made me realize it's because of the disconnect from the rest of the game. It just feels like a bunch of new things for the sake of having something new which is my gripe with 90% of mods back in 1.6.4/1.7.1
Also fantastic music choices, loved them.
I think we need more fantastical elements in the game that build on the systems you spoke about. We have so many "realistic" aspects of the game now