I still like the idea of getting away from lead ammo. The older I get, the more I don't want to eat anything shot with lead, nor even have it around my family. I think about all the lead dumped dumped in our agriculture fields by bird hunters and how that was probably not a good idea.
@Steve-ev6vx lead comes from the ground, I'm just putting it back 🤣 but seriously the tiny amount of lead added to the environment from hunting is extremely minimal. The lead bans are ONLY to make ammo most expensive and thus less accessible to the unwashed masses the gvmt fear.
@@Steve-ev6vx the lead from hunters has no effect on wildlife or human health at all. There’s such a small amount that gets left by hunters that it naturally gets buried under dirt and detritus
@@xxskitsxx15 yeah I actually prefer cci. On paper, which i think could lean either way in reality, Aguila interceptor and cci stinger are about 1 ft lbs less than the supermaximum. But I'm sure there are loads and customs I've never seen.
@@Datsyukiandeke if you look at the casing on a stinger it's slightly longer than regular 22lr man I have a can of some super old sears 22lr that came in what looks like a chewing tobacco tin. Those things are hot and the bullet looks like a wad cutter. I'd like to actually go somewhere and test the speed and such.
@@stepbruv8780 yes but lets face it john browning invented most of there guns including the model 94 that is probably the biggest selling winchester rifle ever.
It reminded me of an upgrade to some sawmill equipment that I suggested to our "boss" on a Thursday. His exact words were "I DON'T CARE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARTS!! JUST GET IT DONE!!" We repaired everything 2 days later. When the parts arrived a month later the upgrade happened. No, we didn't work for a federal agency.
This is how you know that the firearms industry is pretty much out of ideas with inventing new types of firearms. They start coming up with cartridges that are goofy, hard to find, useless, etc etc.
Considering how many EMPTY CASES I have in my box of 22lr from them yeah I agree. Surprised there wasn't a pile of powder in the box too. I wanted ammo, not primed 22lr brass.
I feel like 21 sharp is the next .45 GAP, the problem it intends to solve is so niche and the cartridge it was intended to replace/supplement is so ubiquitous that people aren't going to buy "almost the same" gun just to solve the problem while simultaneously doubling the cost of ammo. I think if I was hunting with a 22 and felt constrained by lead free options I wouldn't buy a nearly identical rifle I would buy a 17hmr or 22 mag or even an HM2. I don't feel like there's a compelling argument for the 21 other than impulse
Unnecessary (or unnecessarily optimized) products are something that might be more widely considered when people are seeing increases in disposable income and when they perceive that products (and their ability to exercise their rights) will remain available in a few years. That's not the world we live in. 22LR has to be the last cartridge anyone could hope to supplant.
They're ignoring the obvious. .22LR is already objectively inferior to pretty much every other cartridge, but people buy tons of it anyway because it's ubiquitous and cheap. It's cheap *specifically because* of how ubiquitous it is, and nothing else could even come close for that reason. It's like when people claimed .30SC could become cheaper than 9x19 because it uses less metal and powder - completely ignoring the fact that .25, .32, and .380ACP are still more expensive after 100 years of use.
@@puregameplay7916 Are you being facetious or did you just not pay attention? It's not the same bore diameter or chamber geometry. It's right there in the name.
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Please show me where a .21 gun exists, ill wait. .21 sharp is meant to be fired out of a .22, facts. Theres no such thing as a .21 gun.
There was an old truck in the bush behind my house when I was growing up, and the only 22 cartridge that could go through both steel walls of the bed was the CCI Stinger. I never found another cartridge that could come close.
Well, the Aguila is a 40 grain bullet versus the Stinger's lighter 32 grain bullet. The heavier bullet has a big energy advantage at 100 yards over the lighter bullet. At the muzzle, the energy is about the same.
@@bills6093 I thought he was going to name CCI Stinger as the most powerful. I've never seen that Aguila before but now I want to get my hands on some. That's some serious speed out of a 40 grain bullet.
@@herbderbler1585 Aguilla also makes a 30gr supermaximum. It is much faster and slightly more energy than the one he showed. Better for small game than the 40gr in my opinion.
I agree. This thing is DOA. I think it would have made a lot more sense to develop a higher BC pointed option to go right into the 22LR. It would have cost a lot per box but everyone has a rifle already. I might’ve tried it.
From what I hear you can barely find a box of as it is now. Idk I haven’t tried to buy any. But I Do agree it’s going to disappear into the sunset very quickly.
@tejeda7324 Maintain velocity and powder burn out of a shorter barrel then 556. Suppresses significantly better then 556. Where it really shines is versatility, you can go from basically an 7.62x39 AR (shooting supersonic 300blk) to basically a 45 pcc shooting subsonic rounds (shooting subsonic 300blk). It was never designed to replace a 556 Ar, It was designed to replace the mp5. The major drawback to 300blk is range, only good to about 3-400 yards with supers and about 200 with subs. But again it was designed to replace a 9mm smg so it's is more suited to a PDW role, which it serves pretty well!
It goes like this in the boardroom: Reloaders have money to invest in reloading supplies and calculations. Non-reloaders have money to invest in non-reloading supplies, calculations unnecessary.
Its not just Savage, got a new Weatherby Vanguard in this week and it had a sizable dent in the wood stock, totally unacceptable in the quality control of these companies to ship damaged items. Great video, keep it up.
Did it leave the factory that way or did the shipper ding it? In the former, that's what warranties are for. Once it leaves the factory or distributor, the carrier owns it and is responsible for it.
When I first read about the sharp I was like, "Oh they're complaining about lead again. And selling some other round that won't be around for long." I guess 22lr is too good and cheap for them.
If only ammo companies were honest. They are not. Everything is 60- 150% more expensive from 2018. There is no reason everything got this insane expensive.
Ammunition hoarders, government mutilation of the dollar, corrupt state governments pushing out the firearms industry, US ammuntion manufacturing businesses all being sold to new owners.....
Thank you for shooting these out of a 22LR and stating it! In the marketing materials Winchester says you have to re-barrel your gun, and I even asked them directly (because it seemed incorrect) and they reinforced the need to re-barrel. And everyone else I have seen does not say what kind of rifle they are using, which has been very annoying
The longbeard xr lead turkey loads did well with their epoxy buffer keeping pellets spherical. But yeah, other than that I can't think of anything particularly good in the past 20yrs out of them. Components they use in their ammunition are generally poor quality.
Looking into my crystal ball, I am seeing mixed images - the 21 Sharp and the Remington 5mm RF Magnum.. The 21 Sharp seems to be circling the drain already, about to follow the Remington 5mm RF Magnum. The latter is a cartridge that dies so fast it was seconds away from being stillborn. It looks like the 21 Sharp is going to go that route as well. I can see why other manufacturers aren't producing ammo for this caliber. They probably believe, as I do, that it won't be around long enough to justify the tooling cost.
@@michaell397 Every time I think 5mm is dead for good, another company releases another batch of ammo. I mean it's been hanging in there for more than 50 years now, who knows how much longer they'll drag it out.
Lol. The Wincheter HQ. This is how I saw it... CEO/the big man: Okay. We won the last military ammo contract. We are making fast and easy money. What or how should we invest the profits? Guy 1: I got an idea. How about we build new machines, upgrade the current capacity and better quality control so people on the internet will stop talking smack about our ammo? CEO/the big man: ...................Can you speak English? Also you're fired.
I used to work for Winchester at one of their ammo plants stateside, and you're dead on there. Rifle reducers need overhauling, more maintenance, and 2 more lines added to keep up with demand? Hell naw, lets put in 3 more 9mm and 45 ACP pistol reducers each! Mind you, said pistol reducers made 4 shell cases a stroke, and production stayed over a week ahead of priming.
Dear Banana Ballistics. Do you know what makes your channel one of the best shooting channels on TH-cam? No cringy, heavy guitar, time wasting intros. thank you.
Potters wasp, they catch caterpillars and stuff them in holes then lay an egg and seal it up. I house tons of them to patrol my garden. Used saturn missile batterys and steel case 556 makes good nesting plots
@michaell397 True, but they came out with a lot of calibers that are still very relevant in the present. 308, 270, 300wm just to name a few. Also, they make great range ammo at a decent price for 762NATO, 556, and 9mm
An answer no one asked for unless its performance is maybe better beyond 150yards. I’ll buy a box just for the cartridge collection though… might not find it in a few years 😂
@@albundy7459 Except they can and have made non lead 22lr. He shows it in the video. It's the most popular cartridge in the world and they are not going to stop making 22lr ammo. The 21 Sharp is just another attempt to make a cartridge that isn't needed to sell more guns and overpriced ammo. Do you remember the Winchester Super Short Magnums or the Remington ETronx? Ammo companies love to try to "fix" a problem that doesn't really exist. The best thing shooters can do is not to buy into their marketing hype and let their experimental cartridges fail.
@@albundy7459 That is valid point but because that caliber is already different than normal 22lr and because of copper it very likely wont have subsonic option. So we want relatively cheap alternative with some reach. .17hmr says hello there. lead free options are few but still accurate and relatively effective up to 200 yards.
"Hi guys. I'm Ian McCollum, and on today's episode of Forgotten Weapons, we're going to look at an interesting concept from the time Winchester tried to re-invent the rimfire cartridge."
Somebody dusted of their copy of Field of Dreams. They failed to realize that "If you build it, they will come." is just a line in a friggen movie! Seriously, the 21 Sharpe is the answer to a question that never ever needed to be asked!
Words cannot explain how violently my jaw dropped when I saw that first .21 Sharp go straight through the ballistics gel like it was nothing. 😂 I was caught so off guard lmao
Hallelujah, someone FINALLY had the balls to say a new round and gun is a total piece of shit, instead of help selling it to everyone like every other show.that truly is a first.
Uh...based on the almost complete lack of damage to the gel and the fact that it went clean through 2 blocks...did Winchester just *accidentally* design a supercavitating projectile? I mean, that's actually a worst-case scenario for a hunting bullet, since the entire point of a supercavitating projectile is that it can pass through liquids with almost no drag (and therefore almost no disruption), but US and Soviet engineers were trying (and mostly failing) to design supercavitating torpedoes for decades, and Winchester just does it by accident? Is this what weaponized incompetence looks like?
I’ve been wanting to get my hands on some of that Aguila Interceptor. It’s nice to see that it’s actually faster than the advertised 1470. Even the CCI Velocitor usually falls short of the advertised 1435. I have a Savage similar to yours except it has the full length heavy barrel. Pretty darn accurate. I like to trim small branches out of trees with it 👍🏻
If they wanted to get rid of the heeled bullet issue, they could have just gone with a shortened .22 WMR. For the most part, it would have just been a new chamber reamer, and you could rechamber every .22LR on the planet for it. But, NOOOO. Let's go with proprietary barrel blanks, bullet diameter, AND chamber reamer.
What’s crazy is that that 22 aguila interceptor passes the fbi ballistics penetration test, a minimum of 12 inches in ballistics gel without going over 18 inches
For everyone saying the .22lr is fine and why bother with the .21 sharp? It comes down to copper bullets and the fact they are harder to make for .22lr as it's a heeled caliber, meaning the back of the bullet is smaller to fit inside the case while the front is the same size as the outer dimensions of the case. Because copper is lighter and there is a limit to the length you can have a .22lr round, it's just easier to make a longer non heeled bullet and seat it deeper into a .22lr case.
Federal was feeling really stupid for developing the 30 super carry that nobody needed or wanted. Then Winchester says hold my beer and introduces this garbage.
I had a savage MkII FV SR in 22lr that was literally dead on arrival. Chamber wasn't cut correctly so cases would get stuck, needing to be pried out. Went for a Ruger Precision instead and don't regret it.
@ 5:15 as he scrolls past the line of rounds if you look, ther is one short case round with a longer bullet, That looks like the 60 grain Aguila .22lr subsonic. I use them for quiet shooting. That round will actually operate the factory action in a Ruger 10/22, which it looks like he is using on the table. I like it, but not fond of rotary magazines.
This isnt the first time Winchester has failed to improve on the 22lr. They cane out with the 22 Wrf shortly after 22lr came out. Was shortly outshined by 22 lr when better smokeless powder came out
The problem with the sharp is that it's price is a bigger problem than the lead. The solution they will use is to increase the price of or ban lead. But that isn't a real solution.
Classic case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". The only thing wrong with 22lr is that a 550 brick isn't $10 like it used to be
I still like the idea of getting away from lead ammo. The older I get, the more I don't want to eat anything shot with lead, nor even have it around my family. I think about all the lead dumped dumped in our agriculture fields by bird hunters and how that was probably not a good idea.
@Steve-ev6vx lead comes from the ground, I'm just putting it back 🤣 but seriously the tiny amount of lead added to the environment from hunting is extremely minimal. The lead bans are ONLY to make ammo most expensive and thus less accessible to the unwashed masses the gvmt fear.
@@Steve-ev6vx the lead from hunters has no effect on wildlife or human health at all. There’s such a small amount that gets left by hunters that it naturally gets buried under dirt and detritus
@@Springfield1795 hopefully you are correct, because I have definitely contributed my share 😂
@@Springfield1795lol wrong
Stork carrying a ball sack was not lost on me... 😂
I'm curious who didn't think that when they first saw it.
That's nuts!
@@ChipLinck Caught that did ya? ;
Should have read comments first😂😂😂x2
Return to sender.
Love how Aguilar makes both the weakest and hottest 22lr around. The colibri rounds and the supermaximum
Don't forget 60gr sniper subsonic.
Cci does too they make whisper quiet and stinger rounds
@@xxskitsxx15 yeah I actually prefer cci. On paper, which i think could lean either way in reality, Aguila interceptor and cci stinger are about 1 ft lbs less than the supermaximum. But I'm sure there are loads and customs I've never seen.
@@Datsyukiandeke if you look at the casing on a stinger it's slightly longer than regular 22lr man I have a can of some super old sears 22lr that came in what looks like a chewing tobacco tin. Those things are hot and the bullet looks like a wad cutter. I'd like to actually go somewhere and test the speed and such.
@@Datsyukiandeke I take that back they are old federal spitfire hyper velocity 22lr found the tin lol.
I thought Winchester’s biggest disappointment was the death of John Browning?
How is that Winchester's fault? They were not the ones that killer Browning
John browning left Winchester long before he pass away
@@stepbruv8780 yes but lets face it john browning invented most of there guns including the model 94 that is probably the biggest selling winchester rifle ever.
@@brandondavis4306 so the real disappointment is that John Browning left Winchester 20 years before he passed away
About time since Browning died 1926. I've no idea how long it's been since Oliver Winchester died.
That Winchester board meeting had me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣
It reminded me of an upgrade to some sawmill equipment that I suggested to our "boss" on a Thursday.
His exact words were "I DON'T CARE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARTS!! JUST GET IT DONE!!"
We repaired everything 2 days later. When the parts arrived a month later the upgrade happened.
No, we didn't work for a federal agency.
I wish I could be entertained as easily as you.
That my friend was not a wasp, but a Remington yellow jacket. 😬
it's a winchester paper wasp
😂😂😂
And it misfired and failed to extract, as Remington Yellowjackets are prone to do.
@@txoilfield. Or have a bunch of duds in a 500 round box.
22 Hornet
This is how you know that the firearms industry is pretty much out of ideas with inventing new types of firearms. They start coming up with cartridges that are goofy, hard to find, useless, etc etc.
They look at wildcat messaging boards and rename the most popular ones to claim them as their own
@@anthonysurrency7134 300 Whisper to 300 Blackout?
The worst of which was the military transitioning to a .22 caliber bullet.
@@jakeoutdoors9600 and 6mm ARC, 350 legend
@@anthonysurrency7134 I was unaware those 2 were stolen from wildcatters.
Winchester’s biggest disappointment is their QC on ammo.
Federal is worse. The 22LR champion has a 4” spread at 25yds out of a match 22LR lol.
Considering how many EMPTY CASES I have in my box of 22lr from them yeah I agree. Surprised there wasn't a pile of powder in the box too. I wanted ammo, not primed 22lr brass.
Yes. Any Winny factory ammo is pretty much garbage. I don't know how they can still get people to buy it
@@DavidBanks02I guess I've been lucky with Federal rimfire. It's not good, but it's not bad.
I found a few lead hollow points in my last brick of copper plated round nose I bought 😂
The storks flying around handing out ball sacks. Lol great video though. Love banana ballistics.
Beat me to it !!
They are in very short supply in America today...
Bidens a ball sack.
I feel like 21 sharp is the next .45 GAP, the problem it intends to solve is so niche and the cartridge it was intended to replace/supplement is so ubiquitous that people aren't going to buy "almost the same" gun just to solve the problem while simultaneously doubling the cost of ammo. I think if I was hunting with a 22 and felt constrained by lead free options I wouldn't buy a nearly identical rifle I would buy a 17hmr or 22 mag or even an HM2. I don't feel like there's a compelling argument for the 21 other than impulse
Unnecessary (or unnecessarily optimized) products are something that might be more widely considered when people are seeing increases in disposable income and when they perceive that products (and their ability to exercise their rights) will remain available in a few years. That's not the world we live in. 22LR has to be the last cartridge anyone could hope to supplant.
They're ignoring the obvious. .22LR is already objectively inferior to pretty much every other cartridge, but people buy tons of it anyway because it's ubiquitous and cheap. It's cheap *specifically because* of how ubiquitous it is, and nothing else could even come close for that reason. It's like when people claimed .30SC could become cheaper than 9x19 because it uses less metal and powder - completely ignoring the fact that .25, .32, and .380ACP are still more expensive after 100 years of use.
what are you talking about with "new gun?"
The 21 sharp is a .22 rimfire round, meant to be fired out of .22lr
Why would you need to buy a new gun?
@@puregameplay7916 Are you being facetious or did you just not pay attention? It's not the same bore diameter or chamber geometry. It's right there in the name.
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Please show me where a .21 gun exists, ill wait.
.21 sharp is meant to be fired out of a .22, facts.
Theres no such thing as a .21 gun.
I feel bad for that stork, he has to fly thousands of miles with some dudes balls in his mouth!!
Diddy stork.
Meanwhile, somewhere there's a hobo bleeding out behind a 7-11.
And for a political response. Just like Kamala.
😂
I didn’t know storks carried nutsacks, but the thing that concerns me is how it got one in the first place.
OUCH!!!
Lots of guys leaving them in their panties drawers these days...
There was an old truck in the bush behind my house when I was growing up, and the only 22 cartridge that could go through both steel walls of the bed was the CCI Stinger. I never found another cartridge that could come close.
Well, the Aguila is a 40 grain bullet versus the Stinger's lighter 32 grain bullet. The heavier bullet has a big energy advantage at 100 yards over the lighter bullet. At the muzzle, the energy is about the same.
@@bills6093 I thought he was going to name CCI Stinger as the most powerful. I've never seen that Aguila before but now I want to get my hands on some. That's some serious speed out of a 40 grain bullet.
@@herbderbler1585 Aguilla also makes a 30gr supermaximum. It is much faster and slightly more energy than the one he showed. Better for small game than the 40gr in my opinion.
Winchester's answer to a question no-one asked
I agree. This thing is DOA. I think it would have made a lot more sense to develop a higher BC pointed option to go right into the 22LR. It would have cost a lot per box but everyone has a rifle already. I might’ve tried it.
@@phild9813pointed bullet does very little at 22 lr velocities.
Just like the 30 Super Carry.
California I looking to ban lead ammo so this is the answer
The 21 sharp was developed specifically for non toxic bullets for states where lead is "illegal".
It’s just messed up they didn’t just change the material in the already existing rounds instead of making one nobody owns a firearm for.
Your comedy is getting pretty good!
And as always, the "guy on the toilet" is hilarious😂😂😂
But.... What is he doing with his left hand????
Comedy gold. The gags are better and better every episode. Entrainment at its best! Keep it up! Particularly appreciated the ball sack stork bag. 😂
Dude, these are my favorite ammo/shooting/target videos, by far! I think I’m on the ground level of a rising star! This channel is going to be epic!
Can't believe it went through 2 blocks of gel. 😮
Introducing the 5.7 Sharps 😂
5.3
That wasp gave zero fucks.
Well boys. We got Sharpe's rifles in the 90s
We finally have Sharpe's cartridge.
Endless nightmares for over 30 years.
These videos just keep getting better!
I ow ya. I've been shopping around, looking at being the first around here with the new hottness. You've saved me a bunch of bucks.
The humor is right up my alley.
Love it.
Another new cartridge that we don’t need nor really want
This is my first one of your videos. Definitely subscribing! Great skits!
Ballistic Gelephant, sounds like something right up Kentucky Ballistics alley.
"There's a company called Sharps out there who has released ammo in the past. Let's give them free marketing by naming our cartridge after them!"
.25/45 had potential.. but as usual barrels were limited, factory rifles were limited, and ammunition production was low..
Sharp/Sharps…not the same.
This is an absolute pointless cartridge by next year you won't be able to find a pack of that crap anywhere
I agree!
That's what I thought about 300 blackout.
From what I hear you can barely find a box of as it is now. Idk I haven’t tried to buy any. But I Do agree it’s going to disappear into the sunset very quickly.
@@littlerayofsunshine69 what does a 300Blackout do that you cant do with a 556?.. and please don't say you can shoot sub sonic
@tejeda7324 Maintain velocity and powder burn out of a shorter barrel then 556. Suppresses significantly better then 556. Where it really shines is versatility, you can go from basically an 7.62x39 AR (shooting supersonic 300blk) to basically a 45 pcc shooting subsonic rounds (shooting subsonic 300blk). It was never designed to replace a 556 Ar, It was designed to replace the mp5. The major drawback to 300blk is range, only good to about 3-400 yards with supers and about 200 with subs. But again it was designed to replace a 9mm smg so it's is more suited to a PDW role, which it serves pretty well!
It goes like this in the boardroom:
Reloaders have money to invest in reloading supplies and calculations.
Non-reloaders have money to invest in non-reloading supplies, calculations unnecessary.
Its not just Savage, got a new Weatherby Vanguard in this week and it had a sizable dent in the wood stock, totally unacceptable in the quality control of these companies to ship damaged items. Great video, keep it up.
Did it leave the factory that way or did the shipper ding it? In the former, that's what warranties are for. Once it leaves the factory or distributor, the carrier owns it and is responsible for it.
bro the comedy on this stuff has me dying. The guy on the toilet character always has me dying
When I first read about the sharp I was like, "Oh they're complaining about lead again. And selling some other round that won't be around for long."
I guess 22lr is too good and cheap for them.
This is another cartridge answering a question that no one asked; very similar to .30 Super Carry.
21 sharp sounds like the worst idea ever, rounds like these are mainly a scheme to sell expensive ammo while pretending its somehow better
If only ammo companies were honest. They are not. Everything is 60- 150% more expensive from 2018. There is no reason everything got this insane expensive.
3 reasons.
Profits, profits and even more profits, baby!
The incredible shrinking US dollar
Ammunition hoarders, government mutilation of the dollar, corrupt state governments pushing out the firearms industry, US ammuntion manufacturing businesses all being sold to new owners.....
The nose knows.
When any company, idc who it is, is showing 200 % & upwards profit per year that tells me I’m being bent over buying their products.
Your videos keeps getting better and better. This is awesome!
Thank you for shooting these out of a 22LR and stating it! In the marketing materials Winchester says you have to re-barrel your gun, and I even asked them directly (because it seemed incorrect) and they reinforced the need to re-barrel. And everyone else I have seen does not say what kind of rifle they are using, which has been very annoying
2:58 I think that's a CCI Stinger
Nice
22lr: The wheel no one asked to be reinvented.
Winchester R&D department: We gave you 350 Legend, 6.8 Western and now, drum roll please.....
idk how im just finding out about your channel. you are quickly becoming one of my favorite guntubers
Winchester hasn't made anything worth a damn in two decades. This is no exception.
The longbeard xr lead turkey loads did well with their epoxy buffer keeping pellets spherical. But yeah, other than that I can't think of anything particularly good in the past 20yrs out of them. Components they use in their ammunition are generally poor quality.
Looking into my crystal ball, I am seeing mixed images - the 21 Sharp and the Remington 5mm RF Magnum.. The 21 Sharp seems to be circling the drain already, about to follow the Remington 5mm RF Magnum. The latter is a cartridge that dies so fast it was seconds away from being stillborn. It looks like the 21 Sharp is going to go that route as well.
I can see why other manufacturers aren't producing ammo for this caliber. They probably believe, as I do, that it won't be around long enough to justify the tooling cost.
Odd thing is, the Remington 5mm was a fine roune at the time. I see that it is again in production from one of the overseas makers.
@@michaell397 Every time I think 5mm is dead for good, another company releases another batch of ammo. I mean it's been hanging in there for more than 50 years now, who knows how much longer they'll drag it out.
That freshly fired Aguila ammo smell… IYKYK! Glad it’s not just me.
Lol. The Wincheter HQ. This is how I saw it...
CEO/the big man: Okay. We won the last military ammo contract. We are making fast and easy money. What or how should we invest the profits?
Guy 1: I got an idea. How about we build new machines, upgrade the current capacity and better quality control so people on the internet will stop talking smack about our ammo?
CEO/the big man: ...................Can you speak English? Also you're fired.
I used to work for Winchester at one of their ammo plants stateside, and you're dead on there. Rifle reducers need overhauling, more maintenance, and 2 more lines added to keep up with demand? Hell naw, lets put in 3 more 9mm and 45 ACP pistol reducers each! Mind you, said pistol reducers made 4 shell cases a stroke, and production stayed over a week ahead of priming.
Awesome video as always! Thanks for all your hard work!
Dear Banana Ballistics. Do you know what makes your channel one of the best shooting channels on TH-cam? No cringy, heavy guitar, time wasting intros. thank you.
Potters wasp, they catch caterpillars and stuff them in holes then lay an egg and seal it up. I house tons of them to patrol my garden. Used saturn missile batterys and steel case 556 makes good nesting plots
They look like they got a nasty sting I seen wasps were I'm at that almost looked black and white I wonder if they're the same kind
21 sharp is stupid.
" It must be pointier. Round, it is not scary."
Winchester board meeting looks like my uncle's at Thanksgiving
This is definitely the new 5mm magnum rimfire...
Winchester may have some dissapointments out there, but IMO their innovations and their successes over the decades far outweigh their failures
Yep, looking in the past, well done! However, we are not living in the Past!!!
@michaell397 True, but they came out with a lot of calibers that are still very relevant in the present. 308, 270, 300wm just to name a few. Also, they make great range ammo at a decent price for 762NATO, 556, and 9mm
all of their .22 ammo is crap.
@@Grooove_e Sadly, their 9mm white box has had some serious issues. Dangerous ones to the shooters!
I don’t use Winchester ammunition at all if I can help it. I’m just not happy with its performance.
An answer no one asked for unless its performance is maybe better beyond 150yards. I’ll buy a box just for the cartridge collection though… might not find it in a few years 😂
It’s because eventually lead is going to get banned and they need an alternative once .22lr dies out for good and companies can’t make them anymore.
@@albundy7459this. It may take 75 years but it’ll happen.
@@albundy7459 Except they can and have made non lead 22lr. He shows it in the video. It's the most popular cartridge in the world and they are not going to stop making 22lr ammo. The 21 Sharp is just another attempt to make a cartridge that isn't needed to sell more guns and overpriced ammo. Do you remember the Winchester Super Short Magnums or the Remington ETronx? Ammo companies love to try to "fix" a problem that doesn't really exist. The best thing shooters can do is not to buy into their marketing hype and let their experimental cartridges fail.
@@albundy7459 That is valid point but because that caliber is already different than normal 22lr and because of copper
it very likely wont have subsonic option.
So we want relatively cheap alternative with some reach.
.17hmr says hello there. lead free options are few but still accurate and relatively effective up to 200 yards.
@@albundy7459lead isn’t going anywhere unless the NWO is successful
This is the most unique gun channel ive noticed in awhile. Its like watching 2016 gaming but with guns lol
Winchester was so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to ask if they should.
the biggest find here was that aguila interceptor. great penetration while doing some damage along the way.
Somebody bought the rights to the old historic Sharps name. They also tried introducing the 25-45 Sharps for AR’s.
Really enjoyed! Thanks for keep us informed.
Never heard of a .21 Sharps and I'll soon forget it.
1:08 them two follow up shots. Immaculate!!
"Hi guys. I'm Ian McCollum, and on today's episode of Forgotten Weapons, we're going to look at an interesting concept from the time Winchester tried to re-invent the rimfire cartridge."
The toilet bit always gets me.
“Ah, Aguila the wonderful smell of catpiss in the morning” 🤣 that stuff seriously stinks up my 10/22
Winchester works on the same model as Harley davidson. "We are an important company and there is a sucker born every minute."
Somebody dusted of their copy of Field of Dreams. They failed to realize that "If you build it, they will come." is just a line in a friggen movie! Seriously, the 21 Sharpe is the answer to a question that never ever needed to be asked!
1:09 "lemme shoot another group, just to make sure I've fouled the barrel up" I love your humor.
Words cannot explain how violently my jaw dropped when I saw that first .21 Sharp go straight through the ballistics gel like it was nothing. 😂 I was caught so off guard lmao
Winchester's biggest disappointment is the fact that it still exists.
Hallelujah, someone FINALLY had the balls to say a new round and gun is a total piece of shit, instead of help selling it to everyone like every other show.that truly is a first.
You should watch Hop if you want honest reviews.
I love your humor. And your voice! 😂
Imma stick with my 22.
Uh...based on the almost complete lack of damage to the gel and the fact that it went clean through 2 blocks...did Winchester just *accidentally* design a supercavitating projectile? I mean, that's actually a worst-case scenario for a hunting bullet, since the entire point of a supercavitating projectile is that it can pass through liquids with almost no drag (and therefore almost no disruption), but US and Soviet engineers were trying (and mostly failing) to design supercavitating torpedoes for decades, and Winchester just does it by accident?
Is this what weaponized incompetence looks like?
With the 21 Sharp, Winchester ought to change their name to losechester 😮
My mom swore that when she was a kid she would kill deer with her single shot 22lr rifle. Dad admitted he couldn't outshoot her.
I’ve been wanting to get my hands on some of that Aguila Interceptor. It’s nice to see that it’s actually faster than the advertised 1470. Even the CCI Velocitor usually falls short of the advertised 1435. I have a Savage similar to yours except it has the full length heavy barrel. Pretty darn accurate. I like to trim small branches out of trees with it 👍🏻
If they wanted to get rid of the heeled bullet issue, they could have just gone with a shortened .22 WMR. For the most part, it would have just been a new chamber reamer, and you could rechamber every .22LR on the planet for it.
But, NOOOO. Let's go with proprietary barrel blanks, bullet diameter, AND chamber reamer.
7:17 Ballistic Gelephant
What’s crazy is that that 22 aguila interceptor passes the fbi ballistics penetration test, a minimum of 12 inches in ballistics gel without going over 18 inches
I love this channel. 😂
Made my day.
For everyone saying the .22lr is fine and why bother with the .21 sharp? It comes down to copper bullets and the fact they are harder to make for .22lr as it's a heeled caliber, meaning the back of the bullet is smaller to fit inside the case while the front is the same size as the outer dimensions of the case. Because copper is lighter and there is a limit to the length you can have a .22lr round, it's just easier to make a longer non heeled bullet and seat it deeper into a .22lr case.
Instant collectors item. Collecting dust on gun store shelves everywhere.🤣
I will keep my 22
Federal was feeling really stupid for developing the 30 super carry that nobody needed or wanted. Then Winchester says hold my beer and introduces this garbage.
We already had fast 22lr, it’s called 17hm2, the squirrel killingest cartridge ever devised
I had a savage MkII FV SR in 22lr that was literally dead on arrival. Chamber wasn't cut correctly so cases would get stuck, needing to be pried out. Went for a Ruger Precision instead and don't regret it.
I guarantee that how he shows that Winchester came up with the idea for the cartridge is pretty close to how it actually happened.
Kind of impressed that 21 went through both gel blocks.
Consumers are tiring of endless new calibers that offer nothing, but increased cost
Sectional density is the bigger reason why it got so much penetration out of such little weight and at less velocity than .22 magnum.
From the 1st photo I saw of the 21 Sharp I thought that compared to the 22lr. it would have little to no usefulness. Now I know it. Thanks.
@ 5:15 as he scrolls past the line of rounds if you look, ther is one short case round with a longer bullet, That looks like the 60 grain Aguila .22lr subsonic. I use them for quiet shooting. That round will actually operate the factory action in a Ruger 10/22, which it looks like he is using on the table. I like it, but not fond of rotary magazines.
I had aMarlin 7000 that printed tighter groups using bulk Remington Golden bullet ammo.
First shot is always a flyer with waxed bullets, since it takes a shot to warm up the wax in the barrel.
21 Sharp was meant for competition, not hunting.
It was made for suckers to buy it. Serves no purpose in competition or hunting
This isnt the first time Winchester has failed to improve on the 22lr. They cane out with the 22 Wrf shortly after 22lr came out. Was shortly outshined by 22 lr when better smokeless powder came out
All of the stork comments😂,
If the stork delivers babies, what does not deliver babies?
I swallow.😮.
But wouldn't that be mass murder?
@@brianschumaker5912 blessed be the swallower's! My favorite, the split tail Swallower's. ;
The problem with the sharp is that it's price is a bigger problem than the lead. The solution they will use is to increase the price of or ban lead. But that isn't a real solution.
Calling out the quality control on that bot was Savage 😂
Innovation for the sake of innovation always led to failure.